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I restored the latest version that included the etymologies for Canadian provinces because they weren't listed alphabetically like countries but as sub-points to Canada, just like provinces of Denmark, the Netherlands & Britain were included under their respective country name.
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I believe that it's a good thing to include province names here, too, because a) some Canadian provinces are several times as big as European countries and b) some people already consider their province as independent or would like it to be, e. g. Quebec, Alberta. [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] 07:52 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
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[http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa021201b.htm Link] for reference to Bharat's etymology. [[User:Gyan|Gyan]] 00:30 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
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Albania - the list has only just been alphabetised, and the second person to add an "Albania" entry probably didn't notice the first one. I don't know which is accurate, so I left both.
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Egypt - Not sure - more research needed


== Votes in progress ==
Nohon - almost certainly a typo for Nihon. This probably should be put under the etymology of the English name "Japan" (which I understand comes from the Chinese name for the islands...)
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*'''Deletion of number pages like [[one hundred one]] -> [[Talk:List of numbers/Deletion]]'''
*'''[[List of prime numbers]] discussion continued at [[Talk:List of prime numbers]]'''
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=== February 12 ===
Seborga - a tiny Italian principality. Not a UN nation, but claims its own sovereignty and mints its own currency...
* [[Culture of Turkey]] - mostly some POV rambles, not much worthwhile info there. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 03:59, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete.[[User:Bmills|Bmills]] 13:20, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. An article being bad isn't a reason to delete. There should clearly be an article at this name. Improve, don't delete. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 01:13, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**There is culture in turkey. Keep. [[User:BL|BL]] 04:27, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Move to clean up list. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**delete if not improved by Feb 19. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
** Merge back into Turkey -- not enough yet for a sep. article. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 09:34, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
**Meaningless rambling. Delete. Being bad can well be a reason to delete, when 'improving' can reasonably be considered harder than 'writing anew'. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Qibla al-Qudsiyya]]. Can anybody find any proof of the existence of these people other than a site that gets its information from Wikipedia? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:46, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Adding Canada's provinces is IDIOTIC. Why dont you go ahead and add their counties too - Im sure some are larger than Liechtenstein and Luxembourg. While youre at it, name all the primary administrative divisions of ALL countries. They should be removed - Immediately. Nihon was correct the first time. Nippon is a sinisation of the original. Deleting the passages in the 'Yemen' entry was uncalled for - the 'lucky' etymology deserves someone writng why its supposed to be lucky. Furthermore you had no right to delete Seborga, since it is officially recognised by Monaco. Albania doesnt mean "land of the (white) mountains" - it means land of the mountain people. Why did you eliminate the fact that Hungary - land of the 10 spears was a reference to an alliance of ten tribes? are you stupid? - There was no reason to add "named after the mongols" for mongolia - you might as well add the same such line for all the other entries. Sudan doesnt mean "blacks" - it means, "land of the blacks".
**I can confirm the existence of some Jews of Medina who converted to Islam in 622, but not under this name or any variant Romanizations thereof -- and I find no evidence whatsoever that they formed a distinct sect of Islam. I don't know; it seems like an odd thing to make up, so defer for now. --[[User:Mirv|No-One Jones]] [[User talk:Mirv|(talk)]] 05:06, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The 'arya' as in 'free' or 'noble' is well-known as the correct etymology for Iran. Why this "sons of sun" garbage? Actic isnt a country - its a type of climate.
- tridesch


*[[Hungarian-American]] Wictionary. [[User:Bmills|Bmills]] 12:51, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Tridesch, I suggest you be more careful in your choice of words. My main source is the Berlitz "Encyclopedia of language"(translated literally from German, the English title *might* be a bit different), which is a standard book for students of linguistics.
**Delete - move to wiktionary - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'm not going to add Canadian counties or German states because neither do they seek independence nor are they big. No offense to Luxembourg and the like but when saying that Canadian provinces are several times as big as European countries, I was referring to the average European country. E. g. Quebec is SEVEN times as big as the UK. Besides I believe that these etymologies are quite important because they can't be found on the English internet - try a Google search.
**Could be expanded. Keep stub. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
I didn't delete anything related to Nihon/Nippon, Yemen, Seborga or Hungary, see the page history. My IQ is quite high, thank you.
**Expand and keep if expanded. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 15:22, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The etymology of "Albania" refers just to white mountains, not people. Check your source.
**Too basic even for a dictionary. I wonder why this even needs to be voted upon. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The Monghol tribe was just one tribe in Ancient Mongolia, so it's the same kind of generalisation as in "Nicaragua" for example. Not obvious.
**On the other hand, take a look at [[Polish-American]], which is now a nice little stub. This article can certainly grow, and the topic is encyclopedic. There's all kinds of material we could put in here: where concentrations of them are, culture, etc. Keep. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 03:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You're wrong about Sudan: the Arabic words "bilad-as-sudan" means "land of the blacks", whereas the word "sudan" just means "blacks". "Bilad-as" is a generic thing that is put in front of most Arabic country names when you build them from the name of the inhabitants, similar to the Chinese "guo2" (&#22269;), although that is put AFTER the name.
**Keep. Added some info.[[User:Doovinator|Doovinator]]
Check [[http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0449900.html this history]] of the word "Aryan". It's from the American Heritage dictionary, also a renowned source. Amongst other things, it says that "Aryan", apart from the strict meaning "noble", referred to "the upper crust of ancient Indian society". This part of society referred to themselves as "sons of the sun" much like Egyptian pharaohs did.
The Arctic is the area around the North Pole of our planet. Although it isn't considered a country - just like Antarctica - it is huge and it's inhabitated.
Finally, may I suggest that you adopt a user name, if they haven't kicked you out yet? I like to know who I am 'talking' to.
- [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] 08:59 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)


*[[How to make Biodiesel]] Not an encylopaedic subject. Wikibooks? [[User:Bmills|Bmills]] 12:53, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
''I have a degree in history - Mongols are Mongols are Mongolians. No need to refer back to obscure tribes, everyone in the country speaks the same language.''
**Keep. Encyclopedic subject. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 14:26, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - move to appropriate location unless it is updated to be more than the mere recipe it is now. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**[[m:transwiki]] this and all how-tos to wikibooks. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 14:26, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Move to wikibooks. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**move to wikibooks and delete. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
**Delete -keep, put under [[Biodiesel]].or make sure to link to from biodiesel. This is an extemely relevant item for present day and historical existence. [[User:Sunja|sunja]] 02:50, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Ars]] (no giggling at the back, please) Dictionary def of a Latin word. [[User:Bmills|Bmills]] 13:05, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Not true. Only about 90% of today's population speak Mongolian (including those who learnt it as a second language). Besides that wasn't the case when Mongolia got its name - in the 13th century, when Genghis Khan united the Mongolian tribes (I'll use "Mongolian" to refer to inhabitants of Mongolia and "Monghols" to Genghis Khan's tribe). Genghis Khan named all of his empire after his tribe, although there were hundreds of other tribes even in the area that is now called "Mongolia". You're committing a dangerous mistake by assuming that the name which nowadays refers to all those living in Mongolia meant the same people earlier. The meaning of words changes.
**Delete - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
For a different example: you could say that the name "Germany" means "land of the Germans", ignoring the fact that at the time it was coined (''"Germania"'' by the Romans), there was no such thing as "Germans", there were hundreds of tribes like Cheruscans, Langobards, Vandals, Albians just to name a few and they couldn't even be put into a category like "Germans" because they fought against each other and some allied with Rome while others fought the Romans and they had different cultures.
** Keep: a word with a lot of peculiar uses. Not many Latin words deserve WP articles; this is one of them. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Move to dictionary. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Conditional keep/delete. If it is still a dicdef, delete. If fleshed out, keep. I know there is atleast one artistic institution/event with that name. -- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon Avaro on a pogostick]] 11:12, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)


*[[Misuse of the Internet]]
''I think ill just as "Britain - land of the British" and Italy "land of the Italians", and "Upper Volta" land of the "Upper Voltans" - then everyone will think sooooo much of the list. THe difference between Mongolia and Nicaragua is that not many people realize that the Nicarao were a native people and most wouldnt have any idea what the etymology is.''
**Continued at [[Talk:Misuse of the Internet]]


*[[How to breed Siamese Fighting Fish]] - made up? wikibooks? [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 19:48, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
As for the British, Italians and 'Upper Voltans': see above. To me, most of the explanations on this list are obvious. To other people, they might not. Some people might think "Côte d'Ivoire"(ivory coast) has a self-explaining etymology, others might not. Some might know about the relation of "Zambia" and the river "Zambesi", or the Nicaraos and Nicaragua, others might not. How many people, do you estimate, know that Genghis Khan was nearly killed in disputes with MONGOLIAN tribes who hated the MONGOLS (to which he belonged) before he could set out to conquer the known world?
**<s>Keep.</s> Looks accurate from a quick glance. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 19:58, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**It was decided sometime back that how-to's and tutorials belong in Wikibooks, not here. Delete. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 19:59, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
***Can you point us to this decision? [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 20:01, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****One is here: [[Wikipedia talk:How-to articles]]. There are others, for example [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia Wants]] [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]]
*****Neither of them look like consensus to me, but as long as it's transwikied somewhere, I'm not going to try to block this. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 05:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to wikibooks, as per precedent. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] 04:21, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**[[m:transwiki]] to wikibooks and delete [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 12:56, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Not useful in its current partial form; not encyclopedic in a possible extended form. Transwiki or delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


=== February 13 ===
''As for Sudan, etymologically the name (as is the case with say Australia) resulted from, as you said, the contaction of a whole phrase "Bilad as Sudan" - youre not helping anyone, and in fact, youre misleading them by leaving out reference to it. Is the toponym derived REALLY from "Blacks" or does it mean ETYMOLOGICALLY - "land of the blacks" - This is an etymological list! Youre etymology for Iran gives the wrong impression, when it removes ENTIRELY any reference to the fact that Arya means "noble" but includes some trivial/irrelevant crap about solar bodies - one can imagine that they may have very well referred to themselves as ? "sons of the sun" whatever name they schose for their country - Am i wrong here? ''
*[[History of heterosexuality]]
**Continued at [[Talk:History of heterosexuality]]


*[[How_to_cook_dandelions]] Another recipe. [[User:Mrdice|Mrdice]] 17:58, 2004 Feb 13 (UTC)
As you can see in the version of the page I submitted after reading your first comments, I explained the Sudan / Bilad-as-Sudan and Aryan difference. From a linguist's point of view it is WRONG to say that "Sudan" means "land of the blacks". The "land of" part got completely lost in the English name. The ones not familiar with the Arabic language would have a hell of a hard time trying to see "land of" in the word "Sudan", that might lead to wrong conclusions about the Arabic language.
**Delete - recipe - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 18:14, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Transwiki to recipes. [[User:Elf|Elf]] 22:50, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)


''The Arctic isnt now, nor has it ever been a COUNTRY - (THIS IS A LIST OF """"COUNTRIES"""" - why dont you add Boreal, Tundra, Savanna, and "quite pleasant" to the list? As for Canada - you're wrong. Am glad you mentioned German bundeslaender - since places like Saxony and Thuringia have far more right to being added to the list as "COUNTRIES" than regions which have never been recognised as such like "British Columbia" and Ontario. Its a slippery slop when you get into adding provinces - you will the list as long as an entire encyclopedia - though i realize youd like to decide which administrative districts get added to a list of "COUNTRIES" based on your feeling about "size" - Which people in Quebec and Alberta dont realise that their territories are part of Canada?''


I explained my criteria for adding entries to this list to you already. Canadian provinces enjoy much more autonomy than German Bundesländer, they are much larger and many of them strive to be independent. Their status is countries is certainly more justified than the one of Italian villages or those newly-founded countries with virtually no own space and recognition only by others like them (countries of the so-called "5th world").
I won't let this list grow too long. If I wanted to add the etymologies for the states of the USA for example, I'd create an extra page and just refer to it here.


=== February 15 ===
''Its people who writer on things which about which they have NO personal knowledge who should be, as you said "kicked out". Who cares if you know who youre talking to - my opinions are apparently correct. I added 9/10's of all the entries to this list from the time i formed it and only once - in the case of "holland" did i appear to give a possibly wrong derevation.''


*[[Ancient Anguish]]. Advertisement, substub. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 00:33, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This is an open-source community. If you want a copyright for what you wrote, make a homepage or write a book. On a single day I contributed as many entries as everybody else before but I don't make as much fuss about it because I'm quite content to contribute the things I know to Wikipedia, a collection of wisdom from thousands of sources.
**Delete - advert - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: advert. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]]
**Keep. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:44, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; non-informative, obscure.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]]
**Delete. No special claim to fame on this MUD (at least none that's given on the page), and we should not be includig all of them. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: Can't vanity posters even get http:// right? :) [[User:Fennec|Fennec]] 03:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Bizarre, obscure, not particularly interesting, possibly an advert, but does it really matter? If we have lists of books, why not lists of computer games and details of each? [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]]


*[[Iraqi Block Cipher]]. Not famous/important. --[[User:Imran|Imran]] 00:37, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
''Oh, and - "white mountains" is redundant. While your sitting in 'linguistics class' - maybe you flip through and look up "ALP" in something. Albania was named by mountaineers who descended from inland to a coast which lower and still populated by people speaking vulgar latin - the genesis of the toponym occured when the new population claimed the land for themselves. Now Albania encompasses both the old inland area and the coast. Check out the book "kosovo" by noel something or another - balkan studies was one of my concentrations.
- [[User:Tridesch|Tridesch]] 08:59 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)''
**Delete - vanity - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete; not important. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


* [[Predestination (Calvinism)]]. This page is essentially a polemic against the doctrine rather than an imformative definition of it. Regardless of my opinion of the doctrine, i would expect as a researcher, to find a posiotive definition of the doctrine with links to arguments against it. [[User:notsnhoj|notsnhoj]]
Nice and pretty, why don't you explain Albania's etymology at the list?? Especially explain why the Latin has to be translated as "mountain people" and not "white (mountains)", just because the people who named it came from the mountains. While you're at it, explain why Guanahani should be translated as "Columbus' island" because he named it.
**Should probably be listed on [[Wikipedia:Cleanup]], not here. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:56, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- [[User:Junesun|Junesun]] 16:25 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
** The article was created with a practical purpose in mind, which has since been satisfied. Its essay form probably qualifies it for deletion. However, it was written more than a year ago, and has been linked from several other articles. Rewriting may be a less messy route. [[User:Mkmcconn|Mkmcconn]] 07:55, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep, this should not be here. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 15:02, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is this a ''List of country name etymologies'' or a ''List of country name English language etymologies''? After reading the article, it is unclear to me. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 16:45 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)
**Keep, but truncate to a near-stub. The article topic is highly appropriate. The two opening quotations from Calvin and the Westminster Confession of Faith are a good start for such an article. But even the sentences introducing quotations need to be rewritten to remove the POV stuff about "bluntness." The rest is very non-neutral, and is "original research." I am strongly tempted to rewrite the opening "The doctrine of [[predestination]], as formulated by Calvin, is: 'Predestination [etc.]' It appears in the [[Westminster Confession of Faith]] in this form: "By the decree [etc]." and move ALL the rest of it to the Talk page. The above would then constitute the entire article (until the time that someone more knowledgable about Calvinism than I should choose to add to it). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 00:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Keep. Sounds good, do it. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 02:14, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Done. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 02:38, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Needs NPOV-ification. Important topic. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete/redirect. If it's going to be shortened to a semi-stub (as proposed above) anyway, that semi-stub can be moved to [[predestination]], and this page redirected. That page might well be split, but then do it with the merged version, rather than splitting off what just happens to be on another page. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[List of porn stars who died from unknown reasons]]
Nothing you've written isnt going to change the fact that Canada's provinces arent countries. Who are you to even try judging an administrative distict's size so you can deem it a "country"? Doesnt anyone else agree here? They're not countries. This guy will eventually have an etymology added for every subdivision on earth, and the page will be of no use to anyone.
**See [[Talk:List of porn stars who died from unknown reasons]]


*[[List of dead porn stars]]
90% mongolian - oh puh-lease. Present day mongolia is the inheritor of the legacy of the mongol empire. That s a KNOWN fact.
**See [[Talk:List of dead porn stars]]
Also, at times, when the ancient romans referred to Germania (from the germanic root by the way "Spear men" they werent referring unknown groups which we cannot trace into modern times. Youre argument is empty. How many frnch men do you think fought against other frenchmen during the 100 years war before the realm was united - does it make the etymollogy of the current country name other than what it is? Anyone else, please feel free to chime in here - this guy is totally wrong.


*[[List of porn stars thought to be dead]]
As i said this is an etymological list - is is incorrect for a linguist to add an entry for sudan that says "blacks" and not "land of the blacks", since the concern isnt word to word translation, but historical development of the name.
**See [[Talk:List of porn stars thought to be dead]]


*[[List of porn stars thought to be dead who turned out not to be]]
Oh, how nice of you not to add separate entries for each state of the US - gag.
**See [[Talk:List of porn stars thought to be dead who turned out not to be]]
What is it about them that makes them inferior to nowheresville canada?


*[[List of porn movies which contain incest scenes]]
Again it isnt white and mountain - the root meant simply mountain, and in other senses white.
**See [[Talk:List of porn movies which contain incest scenes]]


*[[List of porn stars who died from AIDS]]
Despite your high opinions of your additions, there garbaage. - and cant possible be maintained.
**See [[Talk:List of porn stars who died from AIDS]]


*[[List of porn stars who died accidentally]]
tridesch
**See [[Talk:List of porn stars who died accidentally]]
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The Montenegro item has 143 words and contains what seems like an editorial?? Trimming is needed. --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 01:59 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
*[[Bakta]] -- prank article by some students probably. See its talk page for more. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:10, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** delete, Complete nonsense. None of the 'philosophers' can be found with google nor in the 'Encyclopedia of Eastern Philosophy'.[[User:Andries|Andries]] 17:31, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete, agree with Andries -- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 18:17, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** I wonder why this has not been deleted outright. See [[Talk:Bakta]] for the language the article author (211.21.23.202) has used. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: fabrication. Consider banning the author. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Gag-O-Rama]] - a not very famous web-comic. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 15:37, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete, not important enough. -- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 18:17, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Doesn't "Franks" refer to them calling themselves "free men"? Originally Franc, which also became Franche-Comte, franchise, etc. That's what I've always heard, at least. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 02:29 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
**Delete. Not verifiable. No original research. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 20:11, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Advert. [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]]


*[[Diego Marani]] - hopelessly POV. Each sentence portrays Marani and Europanto as an attack on Esperanto and Esperantists. I really can't see anything in there to salvage except "Diego Marani...is the inventor of...Europanto". At least part of the article looks like it was created by one of the parties involved in the edit war at [[Europanto]]. --[[User:Cprompt|cprompt]] 17:26, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
: But that is what it says. Are you thinking about the two "land of"? yeah, that seems a bit redundant to have translation of plain English. --[[User:Menchi|Menchi]] 04:09 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
**Delete - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Too stubby; having both this stub and [[Europanto]] amounts to doing the same thing twice. Delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: redundant with [[Europanto]]. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


::It didn't say that when I wrote that comment, though :) Someone changed it after I posted, I guess. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] 04:30 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
*[[Zarraffa's Coffee]] - little more than an advert. Is this actually well known in Australia? -- [[User:Ams80|Ams80]] 18:19, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. More than an advert. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 20:09, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**No vote. I removed what I thought made it, "like an advert," so now it's less like an advert but more like a stub. (I considered removing the silly sentence explaining that it sells coffee). I see no compelling reason to keep it but no harm in keeping it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 01:01, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC) Odd, the corporate website is strangely silent on matters such as annual revenue, number of stores, etc. It was founded by someone from Seattle, by the way. The article was created by an anon who has contributed two substantial articles on [[Education in Australia]] and [[HECS]]. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 01:11, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
For the record, this page is quite silly, and definetly misleading. The etymologies for frex. Finland, are, have been, and will always be higly dubious. There really is no accepted etymology, but an endless plethora of speculations. Just the speculations for "Finland" and "Suomi" would fairly presented be as long as the whole article is currently. I am not saying that this page should go, but it definitely has some issues. -- [[User:62.78.147.217|Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick]] 04:30 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)
** I don't know if Zarraffa's is famous, but I know of it. I think many people living in Brisbane would be aware of it. So I think it's fine to keep. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 02:03, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[List of Sony products]]
:True. ''Brewer's Names'' is more equivocal about most of its place-name etymologies. I tried to correct the article but got reverted (rudely) by the original contributor, [[user:Junesun]], who I suspect typed the whole lot in from a list of unreliable folk etymologies. -- [[User:Heron|Heron]]
**See [[Talk:List of Sony products]]
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Each of the entry should add what language the etymology was based on. For example, Philippine and Costa Rica was definitely not based on English. [[User:67.117.82.5|67.117.82.5]] 23:41, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)


*[[Rheta Grimsley Johnson]] - orphan, non article, short story -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 20:57, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Delete - either original work, copvio, or vanity page - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The etymology given For nauru cant possibly be correct. I mean its one thing for some silly travel sight to tell a joke about the name Nauru matching the word for laughter in Finnish, but come on...
** It's a press release. Press on and release it from Wiki. Delete [[User:Orthogonal|orthogonal]] 10:00, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: vanity. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Columnist for important news service. I have improved it a bit, added an interesting book she wrote and link to a sample column. Can't find original "Press release" on google, but could use further refractoring I suppose. [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] 14:40, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. What Fred said. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 00:49, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**With Fred's improvements, keep. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Catherine Loguidice]] - move to 9-11 wiki. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 21:29, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Anyway, i added that the etymologies for Finland (in eng) and Suomi arent really known. I dont think i reverted it to anything, i just complied w your request to add the element of doubt. This page isnt mine anyway - if you know of an etymology in the list thats just 'folk etymology',then thats what your keyboard is for.
**Nothing there to move, but one might want to move the talk page. Whether or not, as a Wikipedia article, delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
-- [[User:tridesh]]
** Move to 9-11 wiki. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Tenet]] just a dictionary entry [[User:Bob Palin|Bob Palin]] 23:26, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Transwiki and delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am removing '''A third possibility is that it derives from the name of the god "Bharat", brother of the famous god Rama. ''' from the India bullet. There is nothing in [[Ramayana]] and its commentaries to suggest that Rama's half-brother gave his name to the country. The only legend that is popularly quoted is Bharat(India) originating from the name of Dushyanata's son. (This, surprisingly was quoted second among the three in the article and '''I am not very sure about the veracity of the first too''', though I am reasonably sure about the third '''NOT''' being the source.) [[User:Chancemill|chance]] 11:11, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
** Move to wiktionary if not there already. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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** Ditto to what 'Wile E. Heresiarch' (now THERE'S a name) said. [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]]


*[[Drug addiction]] - discussion on whether to redirect or keep moved to [[Talk:Drug addiction]]
I'm not sure about Portugal coming (in part) from "the Greek cale, meaning beautiful) I've always read that it comes from the Latin portus cale, meaning warm harbor, because the ports along its coast were free of ice year round.


=== February 16 ===
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Brazil - from the brazilwood tree, which in turn was named because its reddish wood was the color of red-hot embers (brasil in Portuguese).
this is a myth in Brazil; that was probben not to be truth. Fortunnaly, Portugal saves documents from that time, the reason for the name was, how we say in Portuguese "Aquela terra era um brasil" or "that land was very hot"
or "...redhot". Portuguese peoele only give the name to the lands they've discovered from a saint name, when they've got no more names of that kind they give a name to the find land with the most proeminent characteristic.


*[[List of married pop singers who had a divorce]]
red-hot embers in portuguese is "brasa" or "braseiro", not "brasil".
**See [[Talk:List of married pop singers who had a divorce]]


*[[List of actors who played Rangers in movies]]
**See [[Talk:List of actors who played Rangers in movies]]


*[[Wayleave]]. Dictionary definition. Moved to [[wiktionary:Transwiki:Wayleave]]. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 05:14, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
For Canada that was not a joke, that's also the truth. Canada means "Nothing here", may seem a joke or offensive, but when Portugal sailed to the west, they find north america very dall and different from the lands they've discovered. Portugal had explored all Africa, Asia and Brazil. When they sailed to North America, they've think that it was very cold and with unpleasent weather, that didnt assembled in anything to Portugal or to the lands they've discovered. They signed the all continent as "Cá nada" (nothing here), because they were not interrested in that lands. That's why there's no portuguese colonies in North America, altought there are all over the world. The name was in portuguese secret maps (the only country at the time that produced believal maps). A portuguese saylor selled (by treason) it to the French and they speeled the name as "Ca nadá" (like the french do). I'm sorry if you find it offensive. But that's the truth. Do you thnik that came from a local tribe? HAH!


* [[Zappos.com]] -- yet another dot-com? [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 08:21, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
If you don't believe me, please try to read from independent and historical sources.
** Zappos? Zap it. Delete [[User:Orthogonal|orthogonal]] 09:58, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: advert. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


* [[Dated]] -- wiktionary entry ? [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 08:29, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
This world is full of myths; even a myth that Portugal is a rebel province of Spain; but in fact, Portugal has almost 900 years old, and Spain 500. That's how we see that the world dont know nothing about us. in fact, Portugal was a rebel County of the extinct kingdom of Leon.
** Keep: related to fashion history; can grow. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete [[User:Mariusz|Mariusz]] 19:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


* all subpages of [[Aozora Bunko]] (e.g.[[Aozora Bunko: A]]) -- index of another site. they don't make sense. [[User:TY|TY]] 08:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Camaroon comes from the word "camarões"(that's how we call that country), that means "Shrimp".
** Delete these index pages. A maintenance nightmare anyway. Users are better off visiting the Aozora Bunko website directly. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
"Prawns" in Portuguese is "Gambas".
** On the contrary, this is a useful index for stimulating articles in English on classic works of Japanese literature. Keep. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] 13:28, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete subpages, keep [[Aozora Bunko]]. "Maintenance nightmare" is right! Let people be stimulated by visiting the Aozora Bunko website. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Suggestion. I'll keep [[Aozora Bunko]] and move subpages to another namespace related literature ([[list of Japanese literary works]] or something). How about this? [[User:TY|TY]] 08:50, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Del. I am the guy who created the index. Well, I guess I must admit that was mistake. Having a list of Japanese literature or so is useful but not this one. This index contains any work avaliable in Aozora Bunko, not necessalily prominent Japanese literatures. This should not have existed in the first place. -- [[User:TakuyaMurata|Taku]] 08:59, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Not material for an encyclopedia. Link to Aozora Bunko's own list (if they have it) instead. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Enemy Within]] from the article: '"The Enemy Within" is the named used, in leiu of a better alternative, for the unnamed pilot episode for the American continuation of "Doctor Who"' (and the series wasn't picked up). A page for every failed pilot? I know that Dr. Who is a cult favorite, but really. [[User:Orthogonal|orthogonal]] 09:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
[[user:PedroPVZ|Pedro]] from Portugal
** Keep. I'm not a huge Dr Who fan, but this sort of info is interesting and useful. It's not just a failed pilot, it's a failed attempt to take a popular British show to America. That to me makes it a worthy entry, as it's not like it's just some obscure show that didn't make it, but something people would want to find out about. That said, the article itself needs work. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 12:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Has a bunch of good info it'd be a shame to waste. [[User:Zandperl|zandperl]] 19:58, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Although one would hope there would be a better title for it.
** Keep. If there's a better name, move it, but as a historically significant pilot, it is encyclopaedic. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 18:58, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Other significant Doctor Who stories, characters, planets, etc have entries. - [[User:Logotu|Logotu]] 19:37, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. In addition to what the others have said, I challenge the description of the telemovie as a "failed pilot". It's not ''completely'' wrong, but there are plenty of more accurate two-word descriptions available. --[[User:Paul A|Paul A]] 01:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[William Kelly, Sr. (politician)]]. Just a one-liner duplicating the info given in the extlink. Seems to be not noteworthy at all. (I had thought the creator of that article wanted to flesh it out, but apparently not...) Delete. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 12:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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**Keep. This seems to be a cleanup request, rather than a deletion request. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 15:48, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
:Romania: A neologism coined after the 19th century unification of Moldavia and Wallachia.
**Keep. Mayors of major cities are encyclopedic. Sure, it's a stub, but that's a cleanup problem. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 22:27, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Hm. Not a vote (I already voted), but some clarifications: 1 Googlit, which is the "Political Graveyard" extlink, and the "Sr." part not verified (it's only an assumption that he might be the father of the William Kelly, Jr. whose article got deleted last week), and the extlink for "Mayors of Flint" at [[Flint, Michigan]] giving access to this info, and the entirely unhelpful "presumed dead", and not linked in Wikipedia except from a disambig page, and you want to keep it? &lt;Shakes head&gt; [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 07:01, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Even though there's not much available information about him, that doesn't make him unencyclopedic, just harder to research. Clearly, he does exist (per the ext. link) and someone will eventually come across this article and finish it. Since it's not nonsense or false, and on a verifiable, encyclopedic topic, I do vote keep, and proud of it! Feistily yours, [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 22:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[It's My Body]]
That is false. Romanians always refered to themselves as "Români" (word used mostly in North) or "Rumâni" (mostly in South). Here's a document from 1521 [http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/neacsu/rom/scrisoare.htm] that writes about "Tara Rumâneasca" (Rumanian Land/Country).
**See [[Talk:It's My Body]]
[[User:Bogdangiusca|Bogdan]] | [[User talk:Bogdangiusca|Talk]] 20:12, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)~


*[[Tracy Lords]]
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**See [[Talk:Tracy Lords]]
No, YOUR argument is false. Readers should be aware that Bogdan is a 'journalist' born in communist romania who regularly vandalizes pages concerning Romanian history in order to replace the Vlach migration with continuity. Um Bogdan? - has noone told you that all the modern latin roots in Romanian were added from 19th century French dictionaries?


*[[Future Voyeur]] - do we need info on every single porn flick out there?? [[User:Anjela|Anjela]] 12:53, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The changes to "Germany" were executed by an imbecile.- and so im changing it back.
**No, we don't. Delete. No useful content. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:17, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**yes we do. Keep. [[User:141|141]] 13:25, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**What is with all the pron articles lately? And is [[user: 141]] a reincarnation of [[user:Anticapitalist3]]?. Delete. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 13:47, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - There are plenty of porn movie review sites - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Insignificant. Sufficient to be listed in a [[List of porn films]] or like. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 18:30, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Create a list of porn films and move these stubby one-or-two-sentence articles into it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 23:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** KEEP. It is a real movie. A user created it. I am sorry if you don't like the content. We can't go picking and choosing what content gets included. Please read closely what falls under the rules of deletion. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 00:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Deleting porn films and not other films is POV. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 01:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to clean-up and wait a while to see if anything is made of all these porn articles. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 02:05, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge content into [[Traci Lords]] and delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Electric Blue 28]] - unmoral article, contains reference to unnatural love. [[User:Anjela|Anjela]] 12:53, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Tridesch
**Morality is not an issue. Nevertheless, delete: no useful content. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 13:17, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. you keep stupid lists and you want delete movie articles? [[User:141|141]] 13:25, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. It was created hours before being listed here and is clearly going to be expanded. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 13:33, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**What is with all the pron articles lately? And is [[user: 141]] a reincarnation of [[user:Anticapitalist3]]?. Delete. [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 13:47, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - There are plenty of porn movie review sites - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Insignificant. Sufficient to be listed in a [[List of porn films]] or like. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 18:30, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Create a list of porn films and move these stubby one-or-two-sentence articles into it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 23:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**KEEP. We are not the moral police. We are an encyclopedia. Please review what can and cannot be deleted. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 00:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Deleting porn films and not other films is POV. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 01:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. Deleting insignificant films is NPOV. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. (Ditto for other porn movie entries.) I figure if IMDB [http://www.imdb.com [1]] lists it then it certainly counts as a "real" movie, and if we're going to discuss movies here then we can't pick and choose. But of course the choice of words is subject to edit for our expected and preferred audience just like any other article. (Oddly enough, IMDB didn't find these titles when I searched, but it *did* find Traci Lords and listed these titles in her page. Huh.) [[User:Elf|Elf]] 02:47, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Marginally for keeping. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**It's no crappier than all those moronic micro-stubs about insignificant bands that no-one ever heard of (or ''wanted'' to hear of), and probably a good deal less unpleasant to look at or listen to. Either delete the whole damn lot (which, alas, will never happen), or else none of them. Keep. [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] 13:00, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Boogie Boy]]
===Dubious etymologies===
**See [[Talk:Boogie Boy]]


*[[Blade (pornographic movie)]]
1. The entry on Egypt is very misleading. The Ancient Egyptians called the country Khemet, meaning Black Land, from the colour of the mud brought down the Nile each year at flood time. The Greeks called the country Aiguptos, which I'm fairly certain comes from the Greek ''aigupios'' meaning vulture - Egypt being the Land of the Vulture to the Greeks. I don't think the Greeks would have named the country after anything to do with Ptah. The modern Egyptians call the country al-Misr (Jumhuriyat Misr al-Arabiya), which I think means "the country across the border" (from Arabia) in Arabic. Unless anyone violently disagrees with me I will change the entry. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 15:29, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
**See [[Talk:Blade (1998)]]


*[[Cum spitting]]
2. I'm pretty certain the entry for "Germany" is also wrong. Germany is not a German name, it is a Latin name, Germania, given to the area east of the Rhine by the Romans. The name means "neighbouring," as in, the land neighbouring Roman Gaul. It is related to the English word germane, meaning related or relevant to. I will check further on this. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 12:02, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
**See [[Talk:Cum spitting]]


*[[Cum swallowing]]
3. We are told that Montenegro was named by the Venetians, and then that "Montenegro" isn't Italian. What is it, Chinese? Last time I was in Venice they spoke Italian there. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 14:51, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
**See [[Talk:Cum swallowing]]


*[[Pact with the devil]] - dictionary definition - and arguably inaccurate - example given: ''"cum swallowing in 1700s''" - Are we really to believe there is any documented proof of this claim? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
: It should be "Monte nero" in Italian. It could be in an Italian dialect or a local Romance (maybe Dalmatian or some old Romanian dialect). [[User:Bogdangiusca|Bogdan]] | [[User talk:Bogdangiusca|Talk]] 16:44, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. This is not a pornopedia. [[User:Davidcannon|Davidcannon]] 14:15, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Needs serious help, but is article-worthy -- something examining the various legends regarding pacts with the devil could certainly be written. Keep. --[[User:Mirv|No-One]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;Jones]] 14:27, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** keep [[User:141|141]] 14:40, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Contains nothing worth saving. Quoth Google: &quot;Your search - &quot;Pact with the devil&quot; &quot;cum swallowing&quot; - did not match any documents.&quot; Also historically misplaces the notion of witchcraft as a pact with the devil in the &quot;dark ages&quot; (a deprecated term) rather than the more topically applicable (though apparently cum swallowing) 1700s. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 03:51, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** As said: Dictionary definition, and an incorrect one at that. Delete. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[old school gangster]] - do we really need this?
4. We are told that Portugal comes from Porto cale, the cale being from kali in Greek. There were no Greek colonies on the Atlantic coast so this is highly dubious. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 14:51, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
**I don't think so&mdash;for me, it's close to being nonsense. Delete. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 15:28, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. --[[User:Cprompt|cprompt]] 15:36, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Dictionary definition. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:15, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Dictionary definition. With a funny spelling mistake as well. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Total rubbish. [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]] 17:37 GMT, 19 Feb 2004


*[[Chestnut Crescent, Aylesbury]] - orphaned article about a minor road on a housing estate in Aylesbury. Hardly encyclopedia material. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 16:35, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
: It could be "Porto" + "Gaul". There were some Gaulish/Celtic tribes nearby, see [[Galicia]]. [[User:Bogdangiusca|Bogdan]] | [[User talk:Bogdangiusca|Talk]] 16:44, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 22:29, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
** Indeed delete:
** Delete. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 14:59, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. I've BEEN to Aylesbury. Delete! Hilarious, but please delete. [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]]


*[[The Parish Of St Edmund, Maids Moreton]] - orphan, have merged the content into [[Maids Moreton]] from this incorrectly named article (the text was about the church rather than the parish) so wouldn't serve much use even as a redirect. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 16:58, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I'm not sure, but isn't Allemagne (Germany) derived from the Alemannen tribe? [[User:82.82.125.13|82.82.125.13]] 22:09, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Institutionalism]] - I'm not sure if this is an original work or a copyright violation but there are clear cut-and-paste errors. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 17:35, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Does anyone else think the [[Moa]] link on the Samoa entry is drawing a very long bow? [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 21:30, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
**Creating user has blanked page, so this is probably ready for deletion - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 17:39, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Also appears to be a copyvio. - [[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 17:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Resort]]. This belongs in Wiktionary. [[User:Denelson83|Denelson83]] 17:49, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Wait. 8:42 minutes after creation it's on VfD?! Give it time, most great novels weren't written overnight. [[User:Zandperl|zandperl]] 19:52, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Um...I believe this could be expanded into a real encyclopedia article. I just don't have the time to work on it, particularly as I'm not fully knowledgeable on it. If nobody can come up with something, I think it'd make more sense to redirect it to [[hotel]]. --[[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] 08:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep: it can grow. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[What Would Brian Boitano Do?]]
**See [[Talk:What Would Brian Boitano Do?]]

*[[Scotchtoberfest]] - doesn't merit its own article IMO. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 18:07, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep but needs cleaning up. Apparently this has become a real event since invention by the makers of the Simpsons... -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 18:20, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***If this information can be added to it and thus it is not just a duplication of information which can be better dealt with by being merged into some Simpsons article, I vote to keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Not even close to being some central concept in The Simpsons, let alone outside. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Reported in FinanceAsia.com]] - apparently advertising, no reason for an article with this name. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 18:36, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**This and [[Reported in friedlnet.com]] were created because [[Caijing]] had links created to them; presumably a kind person helpfully created the missing articles and put the references in them. I fixed up [[Caijing]] so these two are now orphans. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 18:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Thanks, I didn't realize the context. [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 19:02, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete the orphans. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 22:11, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Free the Slaves]] - What's this? Junk? -- [[User:JeLuF|JeLuF]] 20:53, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
**Gobbledygook. Delete. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 21:57, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I removed the gobbledygook and made it a stub. Keep. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter | Talk]] 22:05, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 15:12, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep in rewritten form. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 18:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete in rewritten form: still a stub. [[User:Mariusz|Mariusz]] 19:18, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep in rewritten form - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:33, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep (but more content needed). [[User:Jacob1207|Jacob1207]] 00:17, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Konspire2b]] - Advertising? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 23:43, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**No vote: it's a valid topic, and you have jumped on it rather quickly. But if it hasn't changed in 5 days time, it will make little odds whether it's deleted or left as a stub. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 00:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***As I thought, the topic is worthy now it's a non-stub. Keep. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 14:58, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: ad [[User:Mariusz|Mariusz]] 19:18, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - advert - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 01:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, rewritten.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]] 05:01, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. - [[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 06:20, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Agree with snoyes. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:34, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[Pulchritudinous]] - dictdef, nothing more. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Somebody has now turned this into a redirect to [[Beauty]], but I'm not sure that's a good idea, since anybody presented with "Beauty (redirected from Pulchritudinous)" would be none the wiser as to its meaning. If it were likely to come up in other articles, it should be left as a stub. Given that I doubt that, I vote delete. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 00:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I have a problem with the redirect. 'Pulchitrude' may be defined as 'physical beauty and appeal,' but in the last few decades it has taken on a connotation of, shall we say, a much earthier kind of appeal. There are some, me for instance, who while not criticising the fleshier, more sensual message the word now carries, may not necessarily see it as pertaining to beauty. Best bet - send it off to Wikt & delete [[User:Dwindrim|Denni]] 20:31, 2004 Feb 17 (UTC)
**Merge with beauty then redirect, or keep as stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Merge with beauty & redirect. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Merge, redirect, AND transwiki? [[User:Fennec|Fennec]] 03:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

=== February 17 ===

*[[Ned Austin]] Vanity page. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 01:29, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Appears in imdb, and I see no reason why wikipedia can't be as extensive as imdb. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 01:37, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Regional significance.
** Keep. Some significance. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:25, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. He ''does'' show up in the IMDb. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:54, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: Vanity [[User:Mariusz|Mariusz]] 19:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Vanity insanity. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 01:04, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. I like that idea about being at least as inclusive as IMDB. [[User:Meelar|Meelar]] 04:25, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. To quote [[Talk:Tracy Lords|RickK talking about a porno]], "Noteworthiness is in the eye of the beholder. No need to delete this just because it isn't famous." At any rate, this actually ''is'' noteworthy insofar that it has useful facts about a character actor. [[User:Cool Hand Luke|Cool Hand Luke]] 22:19, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Margaret Kyles]] non-famous. - [[User:Snoyes|snoyes]] 02:13, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete unless some information can be added colourably justifying inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a faculty directory of all faculty at every high school, so without more, this should be deleted. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Looks like vanity. &mdash;[[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefoot]] 18:54, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: vanity. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Iberian-Caucasian peoples]]
**See [[Talk:Iberian-Caucasian peoples]]

*[[Present-day proponents of subordinating horses by force]] - Huh? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** I think I created this page. I did the article on the "breaking" of horses and somebody claimed it was not NPOV because it did not include the views of people who favor doing things the "bronc buster" way. I would have included more information on that approach, especially since people still used it (and I've seen it used locally by a "rancher" who makes a business of raising, training, etc. horses), but I have never seen anybody who advocates/admits the use of the method in print. Delete it (i.e., Present-day proponents of subordinating horses by force) if you will. If somebody wants to describe how they abuse horses I guess they can make and link their own article. [[User:Patrick0Moran|P0M]] 04:35, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***Have you ever heard of a [[rodeo]]? If the wiki is going to write a [[politically correct]] article on every subject, I am going to hurt myself laughing ;) [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade]] 04:48, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****Gee, [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]], you wouldn't happen to know the politically correct terms for "flank strap" or "hotshot," would you? I can appreciate your concern about hurting yourself laughing. Just hope you're not a rodeo animal in your next [[reincarnation]]. [[User:Dwindrim|Denni]]
** Perhaps your question is warranted. I am never sure of how to satisfy the multitude of demands for NPOV and for objective and for "knowing the way of the world" articles.
** Put [[horse breaking]], this page and the other related pages on the Clean-up list. After they've been thoroughly worked over, revisit the VfD question for any of the pages (if any) that are no longer necessary. (Sorry, [[User:Patrick0Moran|P0M]]. I'm sure there's good content on the pages, but I can't make heads or tails of it. From the discussion page, neither can others. The creation of this page gives the appearance that the edit process for "horse breaking" fell into a [[straw man]] fallacy, but I can't be sure.) [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 23:58, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I rewrote the article completely, based on the pioneering work of Monty Roberts. I read his book 5 years ago, and saw both movies.

*[[Michael Shankle]], orphan, name gets 92 hits on google, on first page for several different people of the name. Any fame, use? -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation]] 05:35, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge content into [[Manowar (band)]] and delete [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Merge w/ Manowar and delete. IIRC there are several such pages -- one for everybody who's ever been the band. Same for all of them. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go find them now. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Haepul]] -- 0 Google hits. Another fabrication from the author of [[Bakta]] (211.21.23.202). [[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Can't find anything on [[Kim Tae-hyung]] either (all occurences are of current-day non-famous people of that name), but on the other hand, google might miss either because they are just found in Korean-language pages (which usually do not use Latin script). No vote. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 00:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: unverified, & created by an author with a history of fabrication. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**DElete! the article refers to bulgoki meaning soul, when bulgoki is actuallya beef dish! --[[User:Mishac|Mishac]] 03:50, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[Sant Cassia]] Finally had enough of the contant changes to sant cassia. I believe this should be deleted once and for all. [Conte Said Vassallo]
**Another renomination for deletion, two in one month... I would say keep and sort out the edit wars another way, though I suspect even if it was to be deleted you'd have to wait until the renominations policy had been sorted out (see votes for [[Sarah Marple-Cantrell]] at the top of the page). -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 13:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete
**Keep. The current minimal content there is presumably uncontroversial and useful. As to the mass of material that has been the subject of edit wars, mediation seems in order. If the bulk of this is to be found elsewhere on the Internet, perhaps we could settle on just a short article and some external links? -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] 18:45, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[RSSOwl]] - self promotional, yet another program [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] 14:19, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Perhaps mention somewhere as an example RSS reader, but doesn't deserve its own article (yet). ''[Note: you forgot to put the VfD notice on. I've added it now.]'' - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 17:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. [[User:Robert Happelberg|Robert Happelberg]] 19:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep as stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 17:39, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: insignificant. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: just another RSS reader which is already listed as an external link on [[Really Simple Syndication]]. Not significant enough to warrant its own article. [[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 03:41, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

*[[List of relational topics]] -- not a single topic since the article's start in Aug, 2003. Morever the article has a vague purpose. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Could be an article, but not this. Delete. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 15:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Wouldn't a comparison of people be POV? Delete either way. -- [[user:zanimum]]

*[[Home folder]] -- I don't have one, do you? -- [[user:zanimum]]
**No, and marginally important, but these do exist, so I vote to keep if this can be expanded. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 16:14, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - misleading - If anyone wants to create a real article, "home" is a unix concept, not a PC concept. Since unix does not call them folders, the article should be deleted, and, if necessary, recreated with an accurate title. - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:20, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***It is a PC concept too (although originating from Unix as you mention). On the Windows platform, it's called "My Documents". Keep as redirect to home directory though, as mentioned. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 01:00, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep, and agree with Texture (!). Move to 'Home directory' and expand. It's about 20 minutes old, give it a chance [[User:Syntax|Syntax]] 16:41, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Actually, we already had an article for [[Home directory]], so I've merged them. [Therefore, I vote to keep as redirect] - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 17:56, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[Marco Marra]] - no explanation of who or what Marco Marra is. [[User:Evercat|Evercat]] 22:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete - originally deleted a few times already for junk content. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] 23:28, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Libertarian socialism]] moved to [[Talk:Libertarian socialism]] (no consensus in sight)

* [[Retinue]] - Good definition but recommend Wiktionary unless someone knows how this can be substantially expanded. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] 23:59, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

=== February 18 ===

*[[Hsp70]]. Does this mean anything? [[User:RickK|RickK]] 03:34, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Abstain. It's a [[heat shock protein]]. -- anon, 05:07, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Put on [[Wikipedia:Cleanup|Cleanup]], delete if not improved after a reasonable time. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with [[heat shock protein]] and redirect. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 23:07, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Wikipedia:References Used]] - Do we need this? [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 03:48, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Yet more needless overhead. Agree with Anthony, delete. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 03:56, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Unnecessary, impossible to keep up to date. [[User:RickK|RickK]] 04:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: unnecessary, impossible maintenance task. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 05:14, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Not useful. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Abromeitiella]] - This page has no purpose, it's a a deleted plant genus, and hasn't been edited since 2002. [[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 04:19, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
**If it existed as a taxonomic classification at one point, then it's probably encyclopedic. People who read references to it in older botany textbooks and aren't aware of the change might want to look it up here. I suggest moving the info on the taxonomical correction to [[deuterocohnia]] and then making this article a redirect. [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] 12:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Would have voted to keep, but Psychonaut's move & redirect proposal sounds even better. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Claremont Resort Boycott]] - This page needs major revision or total deletion. [[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 04:34, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
**If someone would like to write an article on the [[Claremont Resort]], then this can be incoporated. Delete is not improved. --[[User:Jiang|Jia]][[User talk:Jiang|'''ng''']]
**Delete. Stub on a current affair never likely to be worthy of an article, written by an anonymous user probably connected to the dispute. If it ever becomes sufficiently famous, write the article then. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 09:26, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Probably not important; rewrite if it happens to become so (unlikely). [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Move to [[Claremont Resort]]. Or is Wikipedia finished and we can stop accepting stubs? [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 21:43, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete, for reasons given. The place is lousy, by the way, a bad joke on a respected local institution; and the long-running labor dispute may be directly related to its badness; but it's not Wikipedia material. [[User:Dandrake|Dandrake]] 23:14, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

*[[Taiwan's Food]] - I am confused. Why is there an article on this here? Wouldn't some of this info be better under "Taiwanese couisine"? --[[User:Vikingstad|Vikingstad]] 13:42, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. I would suggest making it into a redirect but I think if you NPOV'd the page there would be nothing left. [[User:Saulisagenius|Saul Taylor]] 14:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep: informative. List on pages needing attention; could use spelling clean up, NPOV-ification, and maybe a renaming. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 14:54, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with [[Taiwanese cuisine]] and redirect. [[User:Gentgeen|Gentgeen]] 15:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Making it into a redirect is good. Whether the merge is worthwhile I doubt, little or nothing left when NPOVed.
**The first section has useful info, but the rest is NPOV. Merge 1st section and gut the rest, and redirect to Tawainese Cuisine

*[[Protein molecule]] - No useful content. Happy to reconsider if any info is added. -- [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] 16:38, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Redirected to [[Protein]] for now, not sure if they should be separate articles. [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 16:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I see no reason whatsoever to do so. Anyway, keep as redirect. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Diamond theory]] - Content not sufficiently encyclopedic, a personal theory. -- [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 17:23, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Looks rather bogus. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Seems to be a theory from the book titled "[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0817633111/104-7817139-7227101?v=glance The Non-Euclidean Revolution]". I'd say '''keep''' for now. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 20:30, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***No, definitely nothing to do with that. To read about the non-euclidean revolution, see [[Non-Euclidean geometry]], [[Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky]], [[János Bolyai]]. The only connection I can find between this and that, is that it's both geometry. [[User:Andre Engels|Andre Engels]] 20:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****I know what non-Euclidean geometry is. I was referring to a book with that title (see the link). [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 20:58, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**My doubts aren't about it's being real mathematics, nor about connections to interesting areas - I just suspect it of being 'minor' research, of which there are 1000s of papers put out annually. No connection with NEG [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 21:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I'm not sure myself even if it's real mathematics. But 5 days doesn't seem long enough to research this. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 21:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. It appears to a ''possibly'' interesting elaboration of symmetries in two-dimensional patterns (which perhaps is not even new), created by a non-mathematician in a personal web site and in a self-published book. There actually could be some valid group theory in there (It's not written up as a standard mathematical treatise and I'm not patient enough to dig it out), but the author has, alas, asserted that it yields something revolutionary in a way that <strike>borders on</strike> is crankery. Specifically he subtly conflates the group theory analysis with something called the "Diamond theory of truth" from a book about the philosophy of science and asserts his particular mathematical analysis restores a lost way of doing mathematics. *sigh*. As it written now, it is masquerading as accepted mathematics, which it is not. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 16:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[!THIDOS(UOS)!]] - many questions: 1) Is this real or just a joke that is passed through email and humorous web sites? 2) If it is pseudo-real, is it encyclopedic? 3) Should this just be moved to [[Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense]]? - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 17:28, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Usenet troll]] - vanity article - this is a troll from someone and their college buddies to get a single web site linked. Zero google hits related to this college group that has &quot;since dispersed&quot;. The topic may be ok but would need to be rebuilt without the vanity text - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 17:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**I just redirected it to the article [[Internet troll]] that already covers Usenet trolling. [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 18:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep redirect -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[List of collectors]] - This "list" only contains two people. Either add more and revise the article, or delete. -[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 21:28, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete - a list lacking a list - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 21:40, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Dumb. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 23:02, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. If there were actually a lot of collectors listed it could be worth keeping, but not with only 2 people. [[User:Jacob1207|Jacob1207]] 00:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Pointless - [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with [[collecting]] before deleting. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Abuse/old]] This is an old and ideosyncratic version of [[Abuse]]. It was listed on VfD, and then removed when the new version was written halfway through the process. Now it should probably be got rid of. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 21:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Can any of it be merged into [[abuse]]? If not delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
***I don't know enough to merge, and no-one came forward to do it last time. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 14:36, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
****I've had a look through both articles and have included some of the content of the old article into the new one, particularly the bit about overt/covert abuse. Some content from the old article is so out of order it's scary. As a social worker if I started telling clients to "give him a taste of his own medicine" I'd be out of a job quicker than a speeding bullet, so kill the rest of the old page, it's not only out of date it's dangerous. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[McDonald's TV campaigns and slogans]]. This is just a list of the names of various advert campaigns. This information is of no use to anyone and should be deleted. Wikipedia is not an advert for McDonalds. [[User:Astrotrain|Astrotrain]]
**Keep, unless you want to merge it with McDonalds. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 23:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** I suggest keeping. It may be useful for Media / marketing students - and McDonalds advertising is quite hard to escape. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] 23:16, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep--or at least merge w/ McDonald's article. Material is somewhat interesting. [[User:Jacob1207|Jacob1207]] 00:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep, decent little chunk of information. Merging with McDonald's would be OK. This information ''is'' potentially of use. Within the last year I personally was trying to find the approximate year in which a certain Coca-Cola slogan was current ("Coke is a natural&mdash;naturally!) and a list like this would have been exactly what I needed. And it isn't very promotional for McDonald's. Companies only want their ''current'' slogan publicized and rather dislike having old ones mentioned. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 00:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Please note in which country these are the advertising slogans of McD's: other countries may have had different advertising slogans which can be added to make this into an article. [[Wikipedia is not]] American! -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:07, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Could be an article on McD's advertising eventually. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 14:40, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Paul Saelee a.k.a booda]] -- a 13-year-old with a high opinion of himself; unverifiable vanity. --[[User:Mirv|No-One]][[User talk:Mirv|&nbsp;Jones]] 23:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete: vanity page. --[[User:Zandperl|zandperl]] 23:29, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Ditto. [[User:Jacob1207|Jacob1207]] 00:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Not famous, two Google hits, neither relevant. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 00:19, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Aww how sweet. Delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:07, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Move to [[Why morons should not be allowed to breed]]. I mean, delete. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 12:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. vanity. [[User:Eike|Eike]] 15:59, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete. Unbelievable! [[User:Brequinda|Brequinda]]

=== February 19 ===
* [[Antonio Segni]] - Article in italian language and also illegal (?) copy from [http://www.quirinale.it/ex_presidenti/Segni.htm]. --[[User:Vikingstad|Vikingstad]] 00:16, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep stub. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 01:55, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep stub -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:01, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*please delete [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_songs whale songs].It's a copy one.
**Notes: the above was written by [[User:Hli11|Hli11]], who is also responsible for the content in question. Also [[Whale songs]] is actually a redirect to [[Whales song]], so both should be deleted. I know this isn't the best place for this - and it's already listed [[Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements|as a copyvio]] anyway, but I thought I'd gather the information into one place, so an admin can act appropriately. - [[User:IMSoP|IMSoP]] 02:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[How to compute calendars]] - Article rehashes knowledge already available in detail on [[Gregorian calendar]], [[Julian calendar]], and [[Calendar]] itself, as well as being very centered on both of those calendars, but not giving details for either. If I have missed something, the missing content should be merged into one of those three and this page deleted; it does not provide additional value. Should the article instead be enhanced to encompass a "how to" guide for every calendar around, a lot of duplication would be neccessary (of the articles for the respective calendars) [[User:Eike|Eike]] 03:16, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Info needs correcting, but merge any useful content with [[calendar]] and redirect -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 12:01, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Ditto. [[User:Elf|Elf]] 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[List of Number 1 Hits]], [[Hot 100 No. 1 Hits of 1998]] et al
**See [[Talk:List of Number 1 Hits]]

*[[Moai]] - Couldn't this just be added to the Easter Island article? --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 04:46, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep stub, it could improve -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep - needs work but legitimate and important article - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Jim Hall]] - sounds like an autobiography. ''[[User:AntonioMartin|Antonio Rehab Runaway Martin]]''
** Keep. (It smells like autobio as well: the smart-ass has already created the link from his home page to this article!) But the guy did do something sensible and IMO deserves here not less than half-known pop-artists. However the page requires proper disambig: it turns out there are quite a few [[Jim Hall]]s already mentioned in Wikipedia (e.g., see the back-links). [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 08:07, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep and turn into a disambig page -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Self agrandising, but deserves his entry. I've disambig'd it, he's now at [[Jim Hall (programmer)]]. [[User:ShaneKing|ShaneKing]] 12:37, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Of some significance. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 14:01, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete - I'm in the minority, but autobiographies need to be removed or labelled as questionable - the person writing their own autobiography cannot be NPOV - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
*** It seems you didn't bother to look at the article. Pure facts, not a single opinion. So the only percievable problem is that he is lying. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 16:43, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Montreal Canadiens Captains]] - No signifigant updates since 2002, no reference to what these captains "captain", but I'd guess an NHL team. Update or delete. --[[User:Flockmeal|Flockmeal]] 04:55, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
** Just because it hasn't been updated, doesn't mean it needs to be deleted. It does mention above, and have a link to the Montreal Canadien's NHL team entry. I'd suggust merging with the team article, if anything [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] 06:07, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
** The 300 new captains in the last year or so have not been added to the list: Better delete right away. :) [[User:Mydogategodshat|mydogategodshat]] 07:43, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Agree with [[User:Lyellin|Lyellin]] -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep, this is one of the more ridiculous deletion requests I have seen in some time. - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 14:51, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. Isn't preceding vote nonNPOV? ;-) [[User:Elf|Elf]] 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:61.44.84.182]] I misidentified the IP address, thinking it was mine. [[User:Dylanwhs]] 08:11, Feb 19, 2004 [UTC]

*[[John Highway]] - Appears to be purely a vanity page. The only edits are by [[User:John Highway]], and this is the only page he has ever edited on Wikipedia. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan]] 08:37, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete vanity page -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Needs substantial revision by someone else for POV and specificity if this can be found out. Very marginal, but if the revision cannot be done, I certainly vote to delete. I don't think we should be making a decision on this article based on what pages he's edited in Wikipedia, however. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 13:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete vanity page (not on the basis of pages having been edited by the user but simply the nature of the page in question -- an ad and vanity. [[User:Eike|Eike]] 15:59, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
** Delete: vanity, advert. [[User:Wile E. Heresiarch|Wile E. Heresiarch]] 17:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Unifying conjecture]] Empty theorising - nothing to save here in the big words. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 09:09, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. --[[User:Daniel C. Boyer|Daniel C. Boyer]] 13:59, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Seems useful. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 14:32, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Not useless. [[User:Eike|Eike]] 15:59, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
** Keep. Sounds familiar. [[User:Elf|Elf]] 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

* [[Palestinian terrorism]] - In addition to a highly NPOV title, this article duplicates [[Violence against Israelis]] and should be merged there. -- [[User:Viajero|Viajero]] 11:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Merge and redirect -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 11:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Keep...maintain separate articles for acts of terrorism vs other acts of violence. We do not have, nor can we maintain a useful compilation of acts of violence. There are often more than a dozen acts of violence each day. We have demonstrated the willingness and ability to maintain a list of terrorist acts. [[Violence against Israelis]] is limited to acts of terrorism committed after [[1999]]. [[Palestinian terrorism]] includes acts dating to [[1920]]. The article should be expanded to include Palestinian on Palestinian terrorism.
**Keep...maintain separate articles for acts of terrorism vs other acts of violence. We do not have, nor can we maintain a useful compilation of acts of violence. There are often more than a dozen acts of violence each day. We have demonstrated the willingness and ability to maintain a list of terrorist acts. [[Violence against Israelis]] is limited to acts of terrorism committed after [[1999]]. [[Palestinian terrorism]] includes acts dating to [[1920]]. The article should be expanded to include Palestinian on Palestinian terrorism.
**I cannot accept such a title. Move to a new title or merge with another article or do whatever you want, but remove the word Terrorist from the title. [[User:Optim|Optim]] 20:24, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Indoor]], dictionary definition - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 16:14, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete. Vanity. [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] 16:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Mv to dictionary. Wish transwiki links were viable. ( "Vanity"? Are we reading the same page?) [[User:Elf|Elf]] 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete bad dicdef -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Generative programming]] - vanity - just trying to sell a single book - [[User:Texture|Texture]] 16:47, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Is it a recognised programming style? If so turn into a stub, it could improve. Otherwise delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Koehl]] - Wikipedia does not have articles on lastnames - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 16:48, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Merge with [[List of people by name: Ko]] before deleting. [[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

*[[Korova]] - a self described "not so well-known metal act" - [[User:SimonP|SimonP]] 16:51, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
**Google came back with a few hits [http://www.bnrmetal.com/groups/koro.htm][http://www.darklyrics.com/k/korova.html][http://www.elyrics.net/songs/k/Korova/][http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/KOROVA/] so they appear to be better known than the article gives credit for. keep -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Wikipedia:Arguments]] - rant.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]] 17:09, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
After googling for a while, I see it was more than a long bow. Inaccurate, so I will delete link. The def is suspect too. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 23:32, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
**Already covered in [[Wikipedia:Conflicts between users]]. Delete -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Wikipedia:Article title length]] - random crap.[[User:Eloquence|&mdash;Eloquence]] 17:20, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
A prank removed from the article:
**Delete very funny random crap -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
: [[Samoa]]: "Sacred Moa Preserve", after the [[Moa]], a native hen-like fowl. In legend a sacred hen enclosure "Sa-moa" was created by King Lu. After battles to protect it, he had a son he named "Samoa" who became the progenitor of the Moa clan, who came to dominate the island of Manu'a and the whole Samoan area.
There was no King Lu with son Samoa. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 00:28, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Injury]] - a dictionary definition and not a very good or complete one. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 17:28, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
: It may not be a prank, but misinterprertation. See http://www.samoa.co.uk/creation.html I don't know enough about this to fix it. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 03:16, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
**Delete dicdef -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::With all due respect, where is the Big Chicken Moa on this page? A prank is a prank is a prank, even if it is based on a native legend.
:::That was the reason Tagaloa, the messenger, went down to ask Night and Day in the first Heavens (if they had any children).
:::Then answered Night and Day, "Come now; there remain four boys that are not yet appointed, Manu'a, Samoa, the Sun, and the Moon."
:::These are the boys that originated the names of Samoa and Manu'a; these two were the children of Night and Day. The name of the one is Sa-tia-i-le-moa, 'obstructed by the chest'; the meaning of which is this:- the boy seemed as if he would not be born, because he was caught by the chest; therefore it was he was called Sa-tia-i-le-moa; that is, Samoa; the other was born with one side abraded ('manu'a' ); then said Day to Night "Why is this child so greatly wounded?" therefore the child was called `Manu'a-tele'.


*[[Triads in Hong Kong]] - about a less-than-relevant movie, looks rather like advertising. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 20:08, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::[[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 10:05, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
**Created redirect to [[Triad]] but apart from a user page and this page it's an orphan anyway so might as well delete. -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham :)]] 20:28, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


*[[Scartho Top]] - irrelevant. [[User:Kosebamse|Kosebamse]] 20:31, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
::With all due respect, it was not necessarily a prank. The person who posted the original definition way well have been genuine. See http://www.janesoceania.com/samoa_origin/ . [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] 18:51, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)

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February 12

  • Culture of Turkey - mostly some POV rambles, not much worthwhile info there. Dori | Talk 03:59, Feb 12, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete.Bmills 13:20, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. An article being bad isn't a reason to delete. There should clearly be an article at this name. Improve, don't delete. Isomorphic 01:13, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • There is culture in turkey. Keep. BL 04:27, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Move to clean up list. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • delete if not improved by Feb 19. --Jiang
    • Merge back into Turkey -- not enough yet for a sep. article. Davodd 09:34, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
    • Meaningless rambling. Delete. Being bad can well be a reason to delete, when 'improving' can reasonably be considered harder than 'writing anew'. Andre Engels 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Qibla al-Qudsiyya. Can anybody find any proof of the existence of these people other than a site that gets its information from Wikipedia? RickK 04:46, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I can confirm the existence of some Jews of Medina who converted to Islam in 622, but not under this name or any variant Romanizations thereof -- and I find no evidence whatsoever that they formed a distinct sect of Islam. I don't know; it seems like an odd thing to make up, so defer for now. --No-One Jones (talk) 05:06, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Hungarian-American Wictionary. Bmills 12:51, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - move to wiktionary - Texture 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Could be expanded. Keep stub. --Jiang
    • Expand and keep if expanded. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:22, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Too basic even for a dictionary. I wonder why this even needs to be voted upon. Andre Engels 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • On the other hand, take a look at Polish-American, which is now a nice little stub. This article can certainly grow, and the topic is encyclopedic. There's all kinds of material we could put in here: where concentrations of them are, culture, etc. Keep. Meelar 03:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Added some info.Doovinator
  • How to make Biodiesel Not an encylopaedic subject. Wikibooks? Bmills 12:53, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Encyclopedic subject. Anthony DiPierro 14:26, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - move to appropriate location unless it is updated to be more than the mere recipe it is now. - Texture 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • m:transwiki this and all how-tos to wikibooks. Gentgeen 14:26, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to wikibooks. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • move to wikibooks and delete. --Jiang
    • Delete -keep, put under Biodiesel.or make sure to link to from biodiesel. This is an extemely relevant item for present day and historical existence. sunja 02:50, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Ars (no giggling at the back, please) Dictionary def of a Latin word. Bmills 13:05, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - Texture 15:37, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep: a word with a lot of peculiar uses. Not many Latin words deserve WP articles; this is one of them. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:30, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to dictionary. Andre Engels 00:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Conditional keep/delete. If it is still a dicdef, delete. If fleshed out, keep. I know there is atleast one artistic institution/event with that name. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 11:12, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

February 13


February 15

  • Ancient Anguish. Advertisement, substub. RickK 00:33, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - advert - Texture 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: advert. Wile E. Heresiarch
    • Keep. Anthony DiPierro 00:44, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete; non-informative, obscure.—Eloquence
    • Delete. No special claim to fame on this MUD (at least none that's given on the page), and we should not be includig all of them. Andre Engels 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: Can't vanity posters even get http:// right? :) Fennec 03:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Bizarre, obscure, not particularly interesting, possibly an advert, but does it really matter? If we have lists of books, why not lists of computer games and details of each? Brequinda
  • Predestination (Calvinism). This page is essentially a polemic against the doctrine rather than an imformative definition of it. Regardless of my opinion of the doctrine, i would expect as a researcher, to find a posiotive definition of the doctrine with links to arguments against it. notsnhoj
    • Should probably be listed on Wikipedia:Cleanup, not here. RickK 04:56, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • The article was created with a practical purpose in mind, which has since been satisfied. Its essay form probably qualifies it for deletion. However, it was written more than a year ago, and has been linked from several other articles. Rewriting may be a less messy route. Mkmcconn 07:55, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, this should not be here. Sam Spade 15:02, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, but truncate to a near-stub. The article topic is highly appropriate. The two opening quotations from Calvin and the Westminster Confession of Faith are a good start for such an article. But even the sentences introducing quotations need to be rewritten to remove the POV stuff about "bluntness." The rest is very non-neutral, and is "original research." I am strongly tempted to rewrite the opening "The doctrine of predestination, as formulated by Calvin, is: 'Predestination [etc.]' It appears in the Westminster Confession of Faith in this form: "By the decree [etc]." and move ALL the rest of it to the Talk page. The above would then constitute the entire article (until the time that someone more knowledgable about Calvinism than I should choose to add to it). Dpbsmith 00:42, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • Keep. Sounds good, do it. Andrewa 02:14, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Needs NPOV-ification. Important topic. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete/redirect. If it's going to be shortened to a semi-stub (as proposed above) anyway, that semi-stub can be moved to predestination, and this page redirected. That page might well be split, but then do it with the merged version, rather than splitting off what just happens to be on another page. Andre Engels 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Bakta -- prank article by some students probably. See its talk page for more. Jay 11:10, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • delete, Complete nonsense. None of the 'philosophers' can be found with google nor in the 'Encyclopedia of Eastern Philosophy'.Andries 17:31, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, agree with Andries -- Ams80 18:17, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I wonder why this has not been deleted outright. See Talk:Bakta for the language the article author (211.21.23.202) has used. Jay 10:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: fabrication. Consider banning the author. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Gag-O-Rama - a not very famous web-comic. - SimonP 15:37, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, not important enough. -- Ams80 18:17, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Not verifiable. No original research. Anthony DiPierro 20:11, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Advert. Brequinda
  • Diego Marani - hopelessly POV. Each sentence portrays Marani and Europanto as an attack on Esperanto and Esperantists. I really can't see anything in there to salvage except "Diego Marani...is the inventor of...Europanto". At least part of the article looks like it was created by one of the parties involved in the edit war at Europanto. --cprompt 17:26, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Zarraffa's Coffee - little more than an advert. Is this actually well known in Australia? -- Ams80 18:19, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. More than an advert. Anthony DiPierro 20:09, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • No vote. I removed what I thought made it, "like an advert," so now it's less like an advert but more like a stub. (I considered removing the silly sentence explaining that it sells coffee). I see no compelling reason to keep it but no harm in keeping it. Dpbsmith 01:01, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC) Odd, the corporate website is strangely silent on matters such as annual revenue, number of stores, etc. It was founded by someone from Seattle, by the way. The article was created by an anon who has contributed two substantial articles on Education in Australia and HECS. Dpbsmith 01:11, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I don't know if Zarraffa's is famous, but I know of it. I think many people living in Brisbane would be aware of it. So I think it's fine to keep. ShaneKing 02:03, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Rheta Grimsley Johnson - orphan, non article, short story -- Infrogmation 20:57, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - either original work, copvio, or vanity page - Texture 23:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • It's a press release. Press on and release it from Wiki. Delete orthogonal 10:00, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: vanity. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Columnist for important news service. I have improved it a bit, added an interesting book she wrote and link to a sample column. Can't find original "Press release" on google, but could use further refractoring I suppose. Fred Bauder 14:40, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. What Fred said. Anthony DiPierro 00:49, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • With Fred's improvements, keep. Andre Engels 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Catherine Loguidice - move to 9-11 wiki. andy 21:29, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Nothing there to move, but one might want to move the talk page. Whether or not, as a Wikipedia article, delete. Andre Engels 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to 9-11 wiki. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Tenet just a dictionary entry Bob Palin 23:26, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Transwiki and delete. Andre Engels 17:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to wiktionary if not there already. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Ditto to what 'Wile E. Heresiarch' (now THERE'S a name) said. Brequinda

February 16

  • Dated -- wiktionary entry ? Mikkalai 08:29, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep: related to fashion history; can grow. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete Mariusz 19:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • all subpages of Aozora Bunko (e.g.Aozora Bunko: A) -- index of another site. they don't make sense. TY 08:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete these index pages. A maintenance nightmare anyway. Users are better off visiting the Aozora Bunko website directly. Lupo 13:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • On the contrary, this is a useful index for stimulating articles in English on classic works of Japanese literature. Keep. -- The Anome 13:28, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete subpages, keep Aozora Bunko. "Maintenance nightmare" is right! Let people be stimulated by visiting the Aozora Bunko website. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Del. I am the guy who created the index. Well, I guess I must admit that was mistake. Having a list of Japanese literature or so is useful but not this one. This index contains any work avaliable in Aozora Bunko, not necessalily prominent Japanese literatures. This should not have existed in the first place. -- Taku 08:59, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Not material for an encyclopedia. Link to Aozora Bunko's own list (if they have it) instead. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Enemy Within from the article: '"The Enemy Within" is the named used, in leiu of a better alternative, for the unnamed pilot episode for the American continuation of "Doctor Who"' (and the series wasn't picked up). A page for every failed pilot? I know that Dr. Who is a cult favorite, but really. orthogonal 09:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. I'm not a huge Dr Who fan, but this sort of info is interesting and useful. It's not just a failed pilot, it's a failed attempt to take a popular British show to America. That to me makes it a worthy entry, as it's not like it's just some obscure show that didn't make it, but something people would want to find out about. That said, the article itself needs work. ShaneKing 12:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Has a bunch of good info it'd be a shame to waste. zandperl 19:58, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Although one would hope there would be a better title for it.
    • Keep. If there's a better name, move it, but as a historically significant pilot, it is encyclopaedic. - IMSoP 18:58, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Other significant Doctor Who stories, characters, planets, etc have entries. - Logotu 19:37, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. In addition to what the others have said, I challenge the description of the telemovie as a "failed pilot". It's not completely wrong, but there are plenty of more accurate two-word descriptions available. --Paul A 01:26, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • William Kelly, Sr. (politician). Just a one-liner duplicating the info given in the extlink. Seems to be not noteworthy at all. (I had thought the creator of that article wanted to flesh it out, but apparently not...) Delete. Lupo 12:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. This seems to be a cleanup request, rather than a deletion request. Anthony DiPierro 15:48, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Mayors of major cities are encyclopedic. Sure, it's a stub, but that's a cleanup problem. Meelar 22:27, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • Hm. Not a vote (I already voted), but some clarifications: 1 Googlit, which is the "Political Graveyard" extlink, and the "Sr." part not verified (it's only an assumption that he might be the father of the William Kelly, Jr. whose article got deleted last week), and the extlink for "Mayors of Flint" at Flint, Michigan giving access to this info, and the entirely unhelpful "presumed dead", and not linked in Wikipedia except from a disambig page, and you want to keep it? <Shakes head> Lupo 07:01, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
        • Even though there's not much available information about him, that doesn't make him unencyclopedic, just harder to research. Clearly, he does exist (per the ext. link) and someone will eventually come across this article and finish it. Since it's not nonsense or false, and on a verifiable, encyclopedic topic, I do vote keep, and proud of it! Feistily yours, Meelar 22:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Future Voyeur - do we need info on every single porn flick out there?? Anjela 12:53, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • No, we don't. Delete. No useful content. Lupo 13:17, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • yes we do. Keep. 141 13:25, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • What is with all the pron articles lately? And is user: 141 a reincarnation of user:Anticapitalist3?. Delete. Exploding Boy 13:47, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - There are plenty of porn movie review sites - Texture 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Insignificant. Sufficient to be listed in a List of porn films or like. Mikkalai 18:30, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Create a list of porn films and move these stubby one-or-two-sentence articles into it. Dpbsmith 23:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • KEEP. It is a real movie. A user created it. I am sorry if you don't like the content. We can't go picking and choosing what content gets included. Please read closely what falls under the rules of deletion. Kingturtle 00:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Deleting porn films and not other films is POV. RickK 01:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to clean-up and wait a while to see if anything is made of all these porn articles. - SimonP 02:05, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge content into Traci Lords and delete. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Electric Blue 28 - unmoral article, contains reference to unnatural love. Anjela 12:53, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Morality is not an issue. Nevertheless, delete: no useful content. Lupo 13:17, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. you keep stupid lists and you want delete movie articles? 141 13:25, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. It was created hours before being listed here and is clearly going to be expanded. Jamesday 13:33, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • What is with all the pron articles lately? And is user: 141 a reincarnation of user:Anticapitalist3?. Delete. Exploding Boy 13:47, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - There are plenty of porn movie review sites - Texture 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Insignificant. Sufficient to be listed in a List of porn films or like. Mikkalai 18:30, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Create a list of porn films and move these stubby one-or-two-sentence articles into it. Dpbsmith 23:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • KEEP. We are not the moral police. We are an encyclopedia. Please review what can and cannot be deleted. Kingturtle 00:03, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Deleting porn films and not other films is POV. RickK 01:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Deleting insignificant films is NPOV. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:44, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. (Ditto for other porn movie entries.) I figure if IMDB [1] lists it then it certainly counts as a "real" movie, and if we're going to discuss movies here then we can't pick and choose. But of course the choice of words is subject to edit for our expected and preferred audience just like any other article. (Oddly enough, IMDB didn't find these titles when I searched, but it *did* find Traci Lords and listed these titles in her page. Huh.) Elf 02:47, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Marginally for keeping. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • It's no crappier than all those moronic micro-stubs about insignificant bands that no-one ever heard of (or wanted to hear of), and probably a good deal less unpleasant to look at or listen to. Either delete the whole damn lot (which, alas, will never happen), or else none of them. Keep. Tannin 13:00, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Pact with the devil - dictionary definition - and arguably inaccurate - example given: "cum swallowing in 1700s" - Are we really to believe there is any documented proof of this claim? - Texture 14:07, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. This is not a pornopedia. Davidcannon 14:15, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Needs serious help, but is article-worthy -- something examining the various legends regarding pacts with the devil could certainly be written. Keep. --No-One Jones 14:27, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • keep 141 14:40, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Contains nothing worth saving. Quoth Google: "Your search - "Pact with the devil" "cum swallowing" - did not match any documents." Also historically misplaces the notion of witchcraft as a pact with the devil in the "dark ages" (a deprecated term) rather than the more topically applicable (though apparently cum swallowing) 1700s. - Nunh-huh 03:51, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • As said: Dictionary definition, and an incorrect one at that. Delete. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • old school gangster - do we really need this?
    • I don't think so—for me, it's close to being nonsense. Delete. Lupo 15:28, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. --cprompt 15:36, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Dictionary definition. Anthony DiPierro 17:15, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Dictionary definition. With a funny spelling mistake as well. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Total rubbish. Brequinda 17:37 GMT, 19 Feb 2004
  • Institutionalism - I'm not sure if this is an original work or a copyright violation but there are clear cut-and-paste errors. - Texture 17:35, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Creating user has blanked page, so this is probably ready for deletion - Texture 17:39, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Also appears to be a copyvio. - snoyes 17:54, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Resort. This belongs in Wiktionary. Denelson83 17:49, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Wait. 8:42 minutes after creation it's on VfD?! Give it time, most great novels weren't written overnight. zandperl 19:52, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Um...I believe this could be expanded into a real encyclopedia article. I just don't have the time to work on it, particularly as I'm not fully knowledgeable on it. If nobody can come up with something, I think it'd make more sense to redirect it to hotel. --Johnleemk 08:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep: it can grow. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Scotchtoberfest - doesn't merit its own article IMO. Dori | Talk 18:07, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep but needs cleaning up. Apparently this has become a real event since invention by the makers of the Simpsons... -- Graham  :) 18:20, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • If this information can be added to it and thus it is not just a duplication of information which can be better dealt with by being merged into some Simpsons article, I vote to keep. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Not even close to being some central concept in The Simpsons, let alone outside. Andre Engels 16:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Reported in FinanceAsia.com - apparently advertising, no reason for an article with this name. Isomorphic 18:36, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • This and Reported in friedlnet.com were created because Caijing had links created to them; presumably a kind person helpfully created the missing articles and put the references in them. I fixed up Caijing so these two are now orphans. DJ Clayworth 18:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • Thanks, I didn't realize the context. Isomorphic 19:02, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete the orphans. - Texture 22:11, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Free the Slaves - What's this? Junk? -- JeLuF 20:53, Feb 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Gobbledygook. Delete. RickK 21:57, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I removed the gobbledygook and made it a stub. Keep. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:05, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:12, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep in rewritten form. DJ Clayworth 18:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete in rewritten form: still a stub. Mariusz 19:18, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep in rewritten form - Texture 01:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep as stub. Anthony DiPierro 17:33, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep (but more content needed). Jacob1207 00:17, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Konspire2b - Advertising? RickK 23:43, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • No vote: it's a valid topic, and you have jumped on it rather quickly. But if it hasn't changed in 5 days time, it will make little odds whether it's deleted or left as a stub. - IMSoP 00:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • As I thought, the topic is worthy now it's a non-stub. Keep. - IMSoP 14:58, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: ad Mariusz 19:18, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - advert - Texture 01:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, rewritten.—Eloquence 05:01, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. - snoyes 06:20, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Agree with snoyes. Anthony DiPierro 17:34, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Pulchritudinous - dictdef, nothing more. Fuzheado 23:44, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Somebody has now turned this into a redirect to Beauty, but I'm not sure that's a good idea, since anybody presented with "Beauty (redirected from Pulchritudinous)" would be none the wiser as to its meaning. If it were likely to come up in other articles, it should be left as a stub. Given that I doubt that, I vote delete. - IMSoP 00:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • I have a problem with the redirect. 'Pulchitrude' may be defined as 'physical beauty and appeal,' but in the last few decades it has taken on a connotation of, shall we say, a much earthier kind of appeal. There are some, me for instance, who while not criticising the fleshier, more sensual message the word now carries, may not necessarily see it as pertaining to beauty. Best bet - send it off to Wikt & delete Denni 20:31, 2004 Feb 17 (UTC)
    • Merge with beauty then redirect, or keep as stub. Anthony DiPierro 17:37, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge with beauty & redirect. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:49, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge, redirect, AND transwiki? Fennec 03:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

February 17

  • Ned Austin Vanity page. RickK 01:29, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Appears in imdb, and I see no reason why wikipedia can't be as extensive as imdb. ShaneKing 01:37, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Regional significance.
    • Keep. Some significance. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:25, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. He does show up in the IMDb. —Frecklefoot 18:54, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: Vanity Mariusz 19:16, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Vanity insanity. Anthony DiPierro 01:04, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. I like that idea about being at least as inclusive as IMDB. Meelar 04:25, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. To quote RickK talking about a porno, "Noteworthiness is in the eye of the beholder. No need to delete this just because it isn't famous." At any rate, this actually is noteworthy insofar that it has useful facts about a character actor. Cool Hand Luke 22:19, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Margaret Kyles non-famous. - snoyes 02:13, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete unless some information can be added colourably justifying inclusion in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a faculty directory of all faculty at every high school, so without more, this should be deleted. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Looks like vanity. —Frecklefoot 18:54, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: vanity. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Present-day proponents of subordinating horses by force - Huh? RickK 04:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I think I created this page. I did the article on the "breaking" of horses and somebody claimed it was not NPOV because it did not include the views of people who favor doing things the "bronc buster" way. I would have included more information on that approach, especially since people still used it (and I've seen it used locally by a "rancher" who makes a business of raising, training, etc. horses), but I have never seen anybody who advocates/admits the use of the method in print. Delete it (i.e., Present-day proponents of subordinating horses by force) if you will. If somebody wants to describe how they abuse horses I guess they can make and link their own article. P0M 04:35, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • Have you ever heard of a rodeo? If the wiki is going to write a politically correct article on every subject, I am going to hurt myself laughing ;) Sam Spade 04:48, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
        • Gee, Sam, you wouldn't happen to know the politically correct terms for "flank strap" or "hotshot," would you? I can appreciate your concern about hurting yourself laughing. Just hope you're not a rodeo animal in your next reincarnation. Denni
    • Perhaps your question is warranted. I am never sure of how to satisfy the multitude of demands for NPOV and for objective and for "knowing the way of the world" articles.
    • Put horse breaking, this page and the other related pages on the Clean-up list. After they've been thoroughly worked over, revisit the VfD question for any of the pages (if any) that are no longer necessary. (Sorry, P0M. I'm sure there's good content on the pages, but I can't make heads or tails of it. From the discussion page, neither can others. The creation of this page gives the appearance that the edit process for "horse breaking" fell into a straw man fallacy, but I can't be sure.) Rossami 23:58, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I rewrote the article completely, based on the pioneering work of Monty Roberts. I read his book 5 years ago, and saw both movies.
  • Michael Shankle, orphan, name gets 92 hits on google, on first page for several different people of the name. Any fame, use? -- Infrogmation 05:35, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge content into Manowar (band) and delete Andre Engels 00:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge w/ Manowar and delete. IIRC there are several such pages -- one for everybody who's ever been the band. Same for all of them. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go find them now. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Haepul -- 0 Google hits. Another fabrication from the author of Bakta (211.21.23.202). Jay 10:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Can't find anything on Kim Tae-hyung either (all occurences are of current-day non-famous people of that name), but on the other hand, google might miss either because they are just found in Korean-language pages (which usually do not use Latin script). No vote. Andre Engels 00:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: unverified, & created by an author with a history of fabrication. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • DElete! the article refers to bulgoki meaning soul, when bulgoki is actuallya beef dish! --Mishac 03:50, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Sant Cassia Finally had enough of the contant changes to sant cassia. I believe this should be deleted once and for all. [Conte Said Vassallo]
    • Another renomination for deletion, two in one month... I would say keep and sort out the edit wars another way, though I suspect even if it was to be deleted you'd have to wait until the renominations policy had been sorted out (see votes for Sarah Marple-Cantrell at the top of the page). -- Graham  :) 13:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete
    • Keep. The current minimal content there is presumably uncontroversial and useful. As to the mass of material that has been the subject of edit wars, mediation seems in order. If the bulk of this is to be found elsewhere on the Internet, perhaps we could settle on just a short article and some external links? -- Jmabel 18:45, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • RSSOwl - self promotional, yet another program Fuzheado 14:19, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Perhaps mention somewhere as an example RSS reader, but doesn't deserve its own article (yet). [Note: you forgot to put the VfD notice on. I've added it now.] - IMSoP 17:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Robert Happelberg 19:00, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep as stub. Anthony DiPierro 17:39, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: insignificant. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: just another RSS reader which is already listed as an external link on Really Simple Syndication. Not significant enough to warrant its own article. RedWolf 03:41, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • List of relational topics -- not a single topic since the article's start in Aug, 2003. Morever the article has a vague purpose. Jay 14:49, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Could be an article, but not this. Delete. DJ Clayworth 15:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Wouldn't a comparison of people be POV? Delete either way. -- user:zanimum
  • Home folder -- I don't have one, do you? -- user:zanimum
    • No, and marginally important, but these do exist, so I vote to keep if this can be expanded. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:14, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - misleading - If anyone wants to create a real article, "home" is a unix concept, not a PC concept. Since unix does not call them folders, the article should be deleted, and, if necessary, recreated with an accurate title. - Texture 16:20, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • It is a PC concept too (although originating from Unix as you mention). On the Windows platform, it's called "My Documents". Keep as redirect to home directory though, as mentioned. ShaneKing 01:00, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, and agree with Texture (!). Move to 'Home directory' and expand. It's about 20 minutes old, give it a chance Syntax 16:41, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Actually, we already had an article for Home directory, so I've merged them. [Therefore, I vote to keep as redirect] - IMSoP 17:56, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Marco Marra - no explanation of who or what Marco Marra is. Evercat 22:36, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - originally deleted a few times already for junk content. Fuzheado 23:28, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Retinue - Good definition but recommend Wiktionary unless someone knows how this can be substantially expanded. Rossami 23:59, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

February 18

  • Abromeitiella - This page has no purpose, it's a a deleted plant genus, and hasn't been edited since 2002. Flockmeal 04:19, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • If it existed as a taxonomic classification at one point, then it's probably encyclopedic. People who read references to it in older botany textbooks and aren't aware of the change might want to look it up here. I suggest moving the info on the taxonomical correction to deuterocohnia and then making this article a redirect. Psychonaut 12:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Would have voted to keep, but Psychonaut's move & redirect proposal sounds even better. Andre Engels 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Claremont Resort Boycott - This page needs major revision or total deletion. Flockmeal 04:34, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • If someone would like to write an article on the Claremont Resort, then this can be incoporated. Delete is not improved. --Jiang
    • Delete. Stub on a current affair never likely to be worthy of an article, written by an anonymous user probably connected to the dispute. If it ever becomes sufficiently famous, write the article then. Andrewa 09:26, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Probably not important; rewrite if it happens to become so (unlikely). Andre Engels 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to Claremont Resort. Or is Wikipedia finished and we can stop accepting stubs? Anthony DiPierro 21:43, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, for reasons given. The place is lousy, by the way, a bad joke on a respected local institution; and the long-running labor dispute may be directly related to its badness; but it's not Wikipedia material. Dandrake 23:14, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Taiwan's Food - I am confused. Why is there an article on this here? Wouldn't some of this info be better under "Taiwanese couisine"? --Vikingstad 13:42, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. I would suggest making it into a redirect but I think if you NPOV'd the page there would be nothing left. Saul Taylor 14:35, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep: informative. List on pages needing attention; could use spelling clean up, NPOV-ification, and maybe a renaming. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:54, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge with Taiwanese cuisine and redirect. Gentgeen 15:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Making it into a redirect is good. Whether the merge is worthwhile I doubt, little or nothing left when NPOVed.
    • The first section has useful info, but the rest is NPOV. Merge 1st section and gut the rest, and redirect to Tawainese Cuisine
  • Protein molecule - No useful content. Happy to reconsider if any info is added. -- Warofdreams 16:38, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Redirected to Protein for now, not sure if they should be separate articles. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • I see no reason whatsoever to do so. Anyway, keep as redirect. Andre Engels 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Diamond theory - Content not sufficiently encyclopedic, a personal theory. -- Charles Matthews 17:23, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Looks rather bogus. Andre Engels 17:51, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Seems to be a theory from the book titled "The Non-Euclidean Revolution". I'd say keep for now. Anthony DiPierro 20:30, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • My doubts aren't about it's being real mathematics, nor about connections to interesting areas - I just suspect it of being 'minor' research, of which there are 1000s of papers put out annually. No connection with NEG Charles Matthews 21:01, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure myself even if it's real mathematics. But 5 days doesn't seem long enough to research this. Anthony DiPierro 21:17, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. It appears to a possibly interesting elaboration of symmetries in two-dimensional patterns (which perhaps is not even new), created by a non-mathematician in a personal web site and in a self-published book. There actually could be some valid group theory in there (It's not written up as a standard mathematical treatise and I'm not patient enough to dig it out), but the author has, alas, asserted that it yields something revolutionary in a way that borders on is crankery. Specifically he subtly conflates the group theory analysis with something called the "Diamond theory of truth" from a book about the philosophy of science and asserts his particular mathematical analysis restores a lost way of doing mathematics. *sigh*. As it written now, it is masquerading as accepted mathematics, which it is not. -- Decumanus 16:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Usenet troll - vanity article - this is a troll from someone and their college buddies to get a single web site linked. Zero google hits related to this college group that has "since dispersed". The topic may be ok but would need to be rebuilt without the vanity text - Texture 17:41, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I just redirected it to the article Internet troll that already covers Usenet trolling. Bevo 18:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep redirect -- Graham  :) 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • List of collectors - This "list" only contains two people. Either add more and revise the article, or delete. -Flockmeal 21:28, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - a list lacking a list - Texture 21:40, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Dumb. Anthony DiPierro 23:02, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. If there were actually a lot of collectors listed it could be worth keeping, but not with only 2 people. Jacob1207 00:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Pointless - Graham  :) 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge with collecting before deleting. Jay 19:10, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Abuse/old This is an old and ideosyncratic version of Abuse. It was listed on VfD, and then removed when the new version was written halfway through the process. Now it should probably be got rid of. DJ Clayworth 21:50, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Can any of it be merged into abuse? If not delete -- Graham  :) 12:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • I don't know enough to merge, and no-one came forward to do it last time. DJ Clayworth 14:36, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
        • I've had a look through both articles and have included some of the content of the old article into the new one, particularly the bit about overt/covert abuse. Some content from the old article is so out of order it's scary. As a social worker if I started telling clients to "give him a taste of his own medicine" I'd be out of a job quicker than a speeding bullet, so kill the rest of the old page, it's not only out of date it's dangerous. -- Graham  :) 20:03, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • McDonald's TV campaigns and slogans. This is just a list of the names of various advert campaigns. This information is of no use to anyone and should be deleted. Wikipedia is not an advert for McDonalds. Astrotrain
    • Keep, unless you want to merge it with McDonalds. Anthony DiPierro 23:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • I suggest keeping. It may be useful for Media / marketing students - and McDonalds advertising is quite hard to escape. Secretlondon 23:16, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep--or at least merge w/ McDonald's article. Material is somewhat interesting. Jacob1207 00:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, decent little chunk of information. Merging with McDonald's would be OK. This information is potentially of use. Within the last year I personally was trying to find the approximate year in which a certain Coca-Cola slogan was current ("Coke is a natural—naturally!) and a list like this would have been exactly what I needed. And it isn't very promotional for McDonald's. Companies only want their current slogan publicized and rather dislike having old ones mentioned. Dpbsmith 00:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Please note in which country these are the advertising slogans of McD's: other countries may have had different advertising slogans which can be added to make this into an article. Wikipedia is not American! -- Graham  :) 12:07, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Could be an article on McD's advertising eventually. DJ Clayworth 14:40, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

February 19

  • please delete whale songs.It's a copy one.
    • Notes: the above was written by Hli11, who is also responsible for the content in question. Also Whale songs is actually a redirect to Whales song, so both should be deleted. I know this isn't the best place for this - and it's already listed as a copyvio anyway, but I thought I'd gather the information into one place, so an admin can act appropriately. - IMSoP 02:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • How to compute calendars - Article rehashes knowledge already available in detail on Gregorian calendar, Julian calendar, and Calendar itself, as well as being very centered on both of those calendars, but not giving details for either. If I have missed something, the missing content should be merged into one of those three and this page deleted; it does not provide additional value. Should the article instead be enhanced to encompass a "how to" guide for every calendar around, a lot of duplication would be neccessary (of the articles for the respective calendars) Eike 03:16, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Info needs correcting, but merge any useful content with calendar and redirect -- Graham  :) 12:01, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Ditto. Elf 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Moai - Couldn't this just be added to the Easter Island article? --Flockmeal 04:46, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep stub, it could improve -- Graham  :) 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep - needs work but legitimate and important article - Texture 16:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Jim Hall - sounds like an autobiography. Antonio Rehab Runaway Martin
    • Keep. (It smells like autobio as well: the smart-ass has already created the link from his home page to this article!) But the guy did do something sensible and IMO deserves here not less than half-known pop-artists. However the page requires proper disambig: it turns out there are quite a few Jim Halls already mentioned in Wikipedia (e.g., see the back-links). Mikkalai 08:07, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep and turn into a disambig page -- Graham  :) 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Self agrandising, but deserves his entry. I've disambig'd it, he's now at Jim Hall (programmer). ShaneKing 12:37, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Of some significance. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:01, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete - I'm in the minority, but autobiographies need to be removed or labelled as questionable - the person writing their own autobiography cannot be NPOV - Texture 16:21, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
      • It seems you didn't bother to look at the article. Pure facts, not a single opinion. So the only percievable problem is that he is lying. Mikkalai 16:43, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Montreal Canadiens Captains - No signifigant updates since 2002, no reference to what these captains "captain", but I'd guess an NHL team. Update or delete. --Flockmeal 04:55, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Just because it hasn't been updated, doesn't mean it needs to be deleted. It does mention above, and have a link to the Montreal Canadien's NHL team entry. I'd suggust merging with the team article, if anything Lyellin 06:07, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • The 300 new captains in the last year or so have not been added to the list: Better delete right away. :) mydogategodshat 07:43, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Agree with Lyellin -- Graham  :) 11:48, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, this is one of the more ridiculous deletion requests I have seen in some time. - SimonP 14:51, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Isn't preceding vote nonNPOV? ;-) Elf 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • [[2]] I misidentified the IP address, thinking it was mine. User:Dylanwhs 08:11, Feb 19, 2004 [UTC]
  • John Highway - Appears to be purely a vanity page. The only edits are by User:John Highway, and this is the only page he has ever edited on Wikipedia. Bryan 08:37, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete vanity page -- Graham  :) 11:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Needs substantial revision by someone else for POV and specificity if this can be found out. Very marginal, but if the revision cannot be done, I certainly vote to delete. I don't think we should be making a decision on this article based on what pages he's edited in Wikipedia, however. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete vanity page (not on the basis of pages having been edited by the user but simply the nature of the page in question -- an ad and vanity. Eike 15:59, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: vanity, advert. Wile E. Heresiarch 17:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)


  • Palestinian terrorism - In addition to a highly NPOV title, this article duplicates Violence against Israelis and should be merged there. -- Viajero 11:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge and redirect -- Graham  :) 11:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep...maintain separate articles for acts of terrorism vs other acts of violence. We do not have, nor can we maintain a useful compilation of acts of violence. There are often more than a dozen acts of violence each day. We have demonstrated the willingness and ability to maintain a list of terrorist acts. Violence against Israelis is limited to acts of terrorism committed after 1999. Palestinian terrorism includes acts dating to 1920. The article should be expanded to include Palestinian on Palestinian terrorism.
    • Keep...maintain separate articles for acts of terrorism vs other acts of violence. We do not have, nor can we maintain a useful compilation of acts of violence. There are often more than a dozen acts of violence each day. We have demonstrated the willingness and ability to maintain a list of terrorist acts. Violence against Israelis is limited to acts of terrorism committed after 1999. Palestinian terrorism includes acts dating to 1920. The article should be expanded to include Palestinian on Palestinian terrorism.
    • I cannot accept such a title. Move to a new title or merge with another article or do whatever you want, but remove the word Terrorist from the title. Optim 20:24, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Indoor, dictionary definition - SimonP 16:14, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Vanity. Anthony DiPierro 16:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Mv to dictionary. Wish transwiki links were viable. ( "Vanity"? Are we reading the same page?) Elf 17:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete bad dicdef -- Graham  :) 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Generative programming - vanity - just trying to sell a single book - Texture 16:47, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Is it a recognised programming style? If so turn into a stub, it could improve. Otherwise delete -- Graham  :) 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Korova - a self described "not so well-known metal act" - SimonP 16:51, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Google came back with a few hits [3][4][5][6] so they appear to be better known than the article gives credit for. keep -- Graham  :) 20:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Injury - a dictionary definition and not a very good or complete one. Dpbsmith 17:28, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Triads in Hong Kong - about a less-than-relevant movie, looks rather like advertising. Kosebamse 20:08, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Created redirect to Triad but apart from a user page and this page it's an orphan anyway so might as well delete. -- Graham  :) 20:28, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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