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2007-04-24T13:22:42Z

...adam...: going for a week to do coursework or ill fail my degree

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User talk:Gwernol

2007-04-24T12:43:15Z

...adam...: /* User_talk:Davesmith33 */ reply

Hello. Welcome to my Talk page. Feel free to leave a comment at the '''bottom''' of the page. Please sign your comments by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end. Thanks, Gwernol.

== Archives ==
<div class="references-small" style="-moz-column-count:3; column-count:3;">
*[[/Archive 1]] April 2005 through early March 2006
*[[/Archive 2]] March 2006
*[[/Archive 3]] April 2006
*[[/Archive 4]] First half of May 2006
*[[/Archive 5]] Second half of May 2006
*[[/Archive 6]] First half of June 2006
*[[/Archive 7]] Second half of June 2006
*[[/Archive 8]] First half of July 2006
*[[/Archive 9]] Second half of July 2006
*[[/Archive 10]] First half of August 2006
*[[/Archive 11]] Second half of August 2006
*[[/Archive 12]] First half of September 2006
*[[/Archive 13]] Second half of September 2006
*[[/Archive 14]] First half of October 2006
*[[/Archive 15]] Second half of October 2006
*[[/Archive 16]] First half of November 2006
*[[/Archive 17]] Second half of November 2006
*[[/Archive 18]] December 2006
*[[/Archive 19]] January 2007
*[[/Archive 20]] February 2007
*[[/Archive 21]] March 2007
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== Thank you for the recognition ==

I'd like to thank you as a fellow Welshman for your vote of confidence in me and my work in improving Southern Railway articles. However, I already have an account as "Bulleid Pacific," its just that after being rather controversial on the issue of the locomotive numbering lists, I felt I should lie low and improve other articles incognito, though really it means that I sometimes forget to log in. Its a pleasure to work with you. Rydw i'n hoffi iawn rheilfyrdd mewn Prydain! I think thats correct, as I haven't done Welsh since my GCSEs! Anyway, cheers.--[[User:172.200.252.212|172.200.252.212]] 11:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Bulleid Pacific's alter-ego). As you can see, it is me. Hwyl fawr. --[[User:Bulleid Pacific|Bulleid Pacific]] 11:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

*Thanks for voting in my RfA. I've decided to withdraw my acceptance because of real [[WP:CIVIL]] concerns. I will try again later when I've proven to myself and others that my anger will no longer interfere with my abilities as a Wikipedia editor. Thanks again, and I'll see you around here shortly. :) [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 04:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hay I did not edit anything to day.But my friend did.So do not ban my account for something I did not do.

Hay I did not edit anything to day.But my friend did.So do not ban my account for something I did not do.19:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Dark flame2598|Dark flame2598]]Shadow259819:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)19:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)~~

==RfA==
As you voted Neutral on [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Walton_monarchist89|my last RfA]], back in November, on the grounds that I didn't have enough experience (which, in retrospect, you were right about), I decided to ask you for some advice. Do you think I am now ready for a second RfA? I now have over 3700 edits, extensive participation in XfDs and vandal-fighting, and several major article rewrites (including [[Politics]], which is now listed as a GA). You also expressed concerns about the potential POV implications of my username; since then, I have customised my sig to exclude the word "monarchist". (Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to make this an actual username change, as [[User:Walton]] is already taken and is not a possible candidate for usurpation.) So would you be prepared to support, if I go to RfA during this month? [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 19:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

I immediately reedited and signed my warning. Perhaps you missed it. As a [[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Jayron32&site=en.wikipedia.org newbie]] myself it is always nice to have someone like you to help me learn the ropes. Thanks and happy editing! --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]]|[[User talk:Jayron32|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|contribs]] 02:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank You Very Much ==

Gwernol, thanks for your prompt catch and reversion on my "tit torture" page. I have no idea what the guy removed, and it's nice to know I don't have to worry about it. That was my first article. I'm quite proud of it. Your prompt, professional response inspires me to want to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks again. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 02:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== RfA commentary ==

Please check the context of your [[WP:BITE|bite example]]. It may have been slightly overreacting, but it [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Campbell&diff=118457910&oldid=118268424 wasn't] the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Campbell&diff=108755106&oldid=108542095 first]. — [[User:RevRagnarok|RevRagnarok]] [[User_talk:RevRagnarok |Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RevRagnarok|Contrib]] 02:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:If I may add my .02, I believe Rev added the 4im tag because the user had been warned twice before about adding nonsense articles to Wikipedia. [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 05:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding RevRagnarok's RfA ==
Could you please elaborate on my bad faith assumption, because if it came across that way it was entirely unintentional. My new edit may be considered a rant, and so be it, but these thigns have become quite frustrating to me. However, in my initial nomination I don't see anything that could be construed as an assumption of bad faith, unless there is a misunderstanding. Thanks for your time :) [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 05:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Gwernol, regarding the bite example you accused Rev of having, it was noted on the user's talk page that he had been warned twice about creating other nonsense articles. Whether or not he vandalized that certain page once or not is moot, he has vandalized Wikipedia as a whole before. Secondly, I relisted Rev because the offending material that got him shot down in the other RfA had been removed, therefore I saw no reason not to give him a second shot. It is true that I believe it was a ridiculous reason to oppose him, however, your assumption that I acted in bad faith is almost assuming bad faith on your part. Hope this clears things up. Take care :) [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 23:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== E John Routly ==

Dan,

Just cross posted the John Routly mini bio from festwiki to main
As I aint that good on main wiki can you tittvate article as you see fit
Thanks
--Keith 09:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== CampsFM ==

I'm sorry to breach Wikipedia protocol, but since much of Wikipedia seems to be based on observations/opinions that don't necessarily have outside references, I felt that I could add put in my .02.

While I have no problems with my Scientology opinions being deleted, where does it stop?

I'm adding some "Personal Analysis" to the article about "Married... With Children," because it seems relevant to the article, particularly the return of a former executive producer who seemed to turn the show around in its waning years. I have no references for the change in quality, besides the change in executive producers and the observations of myself and my friends and family who were fans of the show.

I apologize in advance if this violates the Neutral POV Policy, but I could point out a number of articles that are not neutral (or factually incorrect) in what they say that have been around a lot longer than any article I've edited. {{unsigned|Campsfm}}

I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask for you to pardon my ignorance on "signing" a statement.

As far as the Married... With Children stuff went, frankly, I'm a bit annoyed that you deleted my additions out of hand. There wasn't much of an opinion involved, and, the personnel names were taken not from IMDB, but from the videotapes that I recorded back in the day. Ron Leavit, Ellen L. Fogle, Arthur Silver, Katherine Green and Michael G. Moye are names who I see on my television set while watching the show, and Seven is a character that I saw and was referrred to in the original article, without any references whatsoever. How am I supposed to "Cite" a private VHS recording?

If you're one of those people who don't want other people to contribute to Wikipedia, or if you don't want me to contribute to Wikipedia specifically, just let me know and I'll stop. {{unsigned|Campsfm}}

* if you want to sign your name and add a date, just put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> on the end of your message and your username will automatically get tagged on. Like this --> [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 16:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== edit war ==

Regarding your warning [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rockpocket&diff=120135271&oldid=120130508 here], please keep in mind that Rockpocket was reverting edits made by a banned user (by self-admission). I'm not familiar with all the relevant policies, but this might change things a bit. ---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|talk]] 02:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
: Yes indeed. The comments I am reverting are from the indef blocked and banned user {{User|Light current}} under the policy [[WP:BAN]]. I'm therefore removing your "warning" as it is neither appropriate nor relevant. Thanks. [[User:Rockpocket|Rockpock]]e[[User_talk:Rockpocket|t]] 04:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== ASL ==

hello, can i ask why you deleted my ASL modification? anyone who knows the game will agree that it is arguably the most detailed wargame ever designed, which the article itself makes clear.
--Jewish-wargamer

:Hi, thanks, got your message. I noticed that nothing else is footnoted in the article, so I assumed that no other additions would need to be footnoted. Most people agree that it is the most complicated and detailed wargame ever designed for commercial use (non-professional wargame) so I would suggest that noting that actually is encyclopedic. Ill see if I can find a source though. [[User:Jewish-wargamer|Jewish-wargamer]] 13:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==Arpacktu==

hey i dont feel my deletion of the article came with sufficient warning. im just trying to write my first real proper article and u delete it and i got angry. not my fault ur busy ruing peoples articles (every complaint iver ead on this discussion page seems to have an excsue justifying their articles existence and i think i should probably get one aswell). so yeah can i make my article and keep it there long enough for it to be improved? because i dont have too much spare time in one sitting so ur ruing any chance i have at makign this thing. i jsut want to get the word out about this rare cryptid.

[[User:Exodustheory|exodustheory]]Exodustheory
* Why not create the article in your own userspace/sandbox then try to mainspace it only if and when it's good enough? (And when it's got proper cites, etc!!) - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 11:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== hi ==

hi Gwernol,
The Golan heights are part of Syria according to UNO, then , can you explain to me, why do not you include the area into Syrian area??
I am waiting for your answer---[[User:83.156.243.238|83.156.243.238]] 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== thanks ==

thank you for your quick response. I have invited discussion on the talk page of Syria.I could not find any previous discussion on it. Does Israeli area include the areas occupied in 1967? (they are not recognized as Israeli land by the UNO)I ask this just for information? I also find that disputed area of Kashmir in not included in Pakistan although it is under Pakistani control. Is'nt this discrimination?--[[User:83.156.243.238|83.156.243.238]] 15:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet account of shadow2598 ==

You don't remember banning shadow2598,well you did.And doing so you stopped me from editing stuff when I did nothing wrong.I'm not mad but I don't think it's fair to ban me when I did nothing wrong. [[User:Dark flame2598|Dark flame2598]] 02:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Achristl==
is vandalising despite warnings. please help. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 02:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== User talk:86.152.83.236 ==

Thanks for the quick work there. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 13:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Welcome back! ==

Such a pleasure to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gwernol&curid=1883862&diff=120731546&oldid=120729855 see] you back! I'll still only be sporadic here for the next while, though I have had a fun day on it today. Happy editing! --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 13:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet account of shadow2598 ==

Well you might not have banned me but someone did.Oh ya,I at least have 10 puppets as you call them.And
my puppet numbers are still growing.Now I know it's not bad to have sock puppets.So I'll have as many as I want. shadow2598,Dark flame2598,Dark knight2598,flaming sun2598And many more [[User:Shadow2598|Shadow2598]] 15:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== User page vandalism ==
Hi Gwernol. I appreciate your vigilance about vandalism to my user page (though personally I don't mind if anonymous strays pee on it). But will you take a look at the protected box? The wording makes it look like I'm the vandal. Thanks again.--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 19:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Gwernol! (Don't be embarrassed – who cares.)--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 19:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Links==
Exactly! "Tedesco" is not "German", because it is not comprised of the letters G-E-R-M-A-N, per [[WP:MOS]] and the edit history of [[German]] -- [[User:R9tgokunks|Hrödberäht]] ([[User talk:R9tgokunks|gespräch]]) 21:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yet more from [[User:Shadow2598]] ==

About 2 weeks ago someone banned me then took the ban off.And now I can do this.But how do you know if it is my sock puppet,I only mentioned a few of them to you.You just can't go banning people on
hunches.And the ones I showed you except 1 were about shadows.I will start getting creative on names and stop using 2598 after them. [[User:Shadow2598|Shadow2598]] 21:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Public Service has Backfired ==

Gwernol, when I wrote the Wiki article on "Tit Torture" back on March 3. 2007, I did so because I wanted to do something for the public interest without any recompense. Unfortunately, I am in the process of learning I may have slit my own throat by doing so. You see, my website is a for-profit site with adult themes based on the same topic. When the Wiki article was spidered by Google and added as the #1 link for a particular set of important keyphrases, my site dissapeared for those same phrases. Research since then is indicating it is either the Wiki article itself, or the links to articles in my site from that article, that may have cause my site's demise. In short, I may be paying for my generosity with my livelihood.

I'm still looking into it, but if that turns out to be the case, and it's simply links, I'll just remove those. If it's the article itself, however, can it be removed, if not, would you gig me for changing it significantly? Honestly, I'd rather not be airing my laundry here, but it's the only way I could contact you. Thanks. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 00:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE LEAVE THE STEPHEN COLBERT PAGE THAT WAY FOR THE NIGHT. IT IS ALL FOR FUN AND FOR THE SHOW> IT IS NOT VANDALISM OR WITH ANY ILL-WILL. IT IS STRICTLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE COLBERT REPORT TV SHOW AND WILL BE CHANGED AS SOON AS THE PAGE IS USED FOR COMEDIC PURPOSES FOR THE SHOW. PLEASE! tela42499

== Follow-up on Public Service... ==

Gwernol, thanks for the very quick reply. I tend to have problems with the concept that this article is the cause of my problems, but I have a couple of search engine experts looking closely at it. I would have thought the "nofollow" command would be important, but it's being looked at. The problems also coincide with a major Google algorithm change, which was all our first thoughts, but we've been unable to find anything there.

I'm hoping the Wiki thing is just a scare. I'm proud of the article and would much rather not even consider doing anything with it. However, just to make sure I understand -- even though I wrote it, I lost control over it once I published it -- at least any additional control as writer as opposed to any other approved editor? This whole fiasco has me tearing my hair out. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 00:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that the caps was on. I hate caps and usually don't use them. I usually have the caps lock key disabled, but I just installed Vista and that hasn't been fixed yet, so I did not mean to appear to be shouting. I work for the show and was making these changes for a reason. I was going to change them back as soon as we were through. I am very aware of the seriousness of the Wiki. I am a staff member of expressobeans.com and have been using the Wiki for some time. I do not appreciate the tone that was taken in your second message. I had changed the article the second time before I realized that you had messaged me in the first place. I realize that you probably deal with some frustrating prople on the site, but maybe you should change your tone so it doesn't appear that you are shouting. I am sorry that I upset you so much. but I am not some internet hacking idiot that wants to make your job any more frustrating than it is, and I'm sorry that I did. I don't know if you know this, but Stephen Colbert often tells his audience to change the Wiki for his personal entertainment all the time, which I am sure is a huge headache for you, too. The internet in a community, just like the real world, and we should treat each other as such. tela42499

== username ==

hi - just came across [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gwernol_Spermole this] username which I thought you should know about. cheers![[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] |[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]] 05:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
* I just indefblocked it for [[WP:U]] and vandalism only - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 05:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==RfA==
I also blanked [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jim Douglas]] as well after you removed [[User:Jim Douglas]] from RfA. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 23:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

I left for a sec to get something to eat and my sister started doing random vandalization. [[User:Doody 09|Doody 09]] 05:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Well done ==
But i've been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%C3%B6rse&action=history vigilant too]. Cheers, [[User:RCS|RCS]] 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you... ==

...for your help with user Brf00. He's apparently got an axe to grind about the subject of flag-burning. He also seems to lack a sense of humour. The "you gone" line is taken from a baseball announcer who's in the habit of saying "''He'' gone!" when an opposing batter strikes out. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 13:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Fatima Whitbread ==

Sorry, I know I should've made a reference regarding the information I added (which is completely true, if you thought otherwise), but how on Earth is it 'controversial biographical information concerning living persons'? That's baffling!

[[User:81.110.77.105|81.110.77.105]]

== [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Natl1 (2nd nom)|Natl1's RFA Question]] ==

I have answered your question on [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Natl1 (2nd nom)|my RFA]]. Feel free to ask any follow-up question.--[[User:Natl1|Natl1]] ([[User_Talk:Natl1|Talk Page]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Natl1|Contribs]]) 17:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== I warned him ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AR9tgokunks&diff=121221727&oldid=121214346]. [[User:RCS|RCS]] 17:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Cheers Gwernol ==

For your RFAr statement. – [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 18:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[white]] ==

hello gwernol. i looked over the edit that i made, and i am perplexed. i have no idea how i would have inadvertently vandalized 'white.' i have nothing against white. in fact, i am white. my toothbrush is white, and so is my guinea pig. thanks for catching it and letting me know. :-] [[User:The_undertow|''the_undertow'']] [[User_talk:The_undertow|talk]] 19:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool. we're all good and i'll blame it on windows vista. i blame everything on windows vista. [[User:The_undertow|''the_undertow'']] [[User_talk:The_undertow|talk]] 00:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

=="Inappropriate warnings"==
I had always been told not to delete warnings on my talk page, regardless. Since then, I have always let them stand even if they were not appropriate, unless they were vulgar or insulting. If I was wrong to restore that warning, I apologize. [[User:Rhindle The Red|Rhindle The Red]] 00:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:And I'm apologizing again for putting the previous on the wrong page. I must be tired... [[User:Rhindle The Red|Rhindle The Red]] 01:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
For the talk page reverts. Peace, -- '''[[Special:Contributions/The Hybrid|The]] [[User:The Hybrid|Hyb]][[User Talk:The Hybrid|rid]]''' 03:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== University/School sites ==

Gwernol, I have a question. I am well aware that many anon IP sites are educational establishments, and have not failed to read the yellow template box notifying me of this fact. '''But''', when chasing down vandals from these sites, it has become apparent to me that these sites do not produce '''any''' sensible edits. None. Not any. Nichts. Niemals. Rien. Therefore, given that a block does not prevent any editor from coming to us in read-only mode, why the hesitation about vigorous blocking? Am I missing something?--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 12:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/69.74.82.146|User:69.74.82.146]] and schoolblock ==

I've asked repeatedly for 69.74.82.146 to be permanently schoolblocked, but although the template is on the user talk page [[User_talk:69.74.82.146]], students are still successfully making anonymous edits.

Please, make the schoolblock actually work, and ''leave it on''. (This is on your talk page, since you were the last admin to "renew" the schoolblock.)
Thanks,
[[User:69.74.82.146|69.74.82.146]] 20:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another sock ==

First, thanks for the help in dealing with the disruptive editing from {{vandal|Toa Mario}}. In case you didn't see it, he appears to have tried the same tactics with {{vandal|Hoov edd}}. I've blocked that account, reverted the changes and added the templates. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] [[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]] 20:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Block of 69.114.148.28==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for blocking [[User:69.114.148.28]]. This user has vandalized my user page twice and talk page once and the vandalism that [[User:69.114.148.28]] did was very likely personal attacks that hurt my feelings. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 21:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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==Deal Or No DealEdit==

Sorry :( my mistake, i didn't realise you reverted it, i thought that you were vandalising it!
Sorry [[User:Thenthornthing|Thenthornthing]] 11:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Formerly/formally ==

You're quite right - I haven't got my brain in gear today ;-)  – [[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]] [[User talk:Tivedshambo|(talk)]] 11:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Vandalism==

At the page [[Jennifer Lynn]] there have been several changes which I think are vandalism by a particular user. There was a AfD put in by 86.2.99.78 and the page was redirected by user Alomiakoda. I am a representative for the actress and have reason to belive that Alomiakoda uses the IP address 86.2.99.78 and that the username relates to a person who has a personal vendetta against the actress. I was wondering if there was any action that could be taken to prevent this in future and to warn the user of their misconduct. [[User:82.34.254.89|82.34.254.89]] 13:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== I.P x 2 = possible vandal?==

Hello, i have heard that you can track down I.P adresses and i just wondered if [[User:soopahoops77]] and [[User:Relentless1234567]] share thre same I.P adress. Is it 'legal' on wikipedia to have 2 accounts? Sorry, thankyou, kind regards, [[User:Zesty Prospect|Zesty Prospect]] 15:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== User:Matrix17 editing anonymously ==

Hi. Remember {{user|Matrix17}}? He's back editing from his IP address, anonymously - {{user|90.225.121.21}}. Is there a page like AIV or SUSPSOCK where this can be reported, or is it enough to contact an admin, like I'm doing now? --[[User:Strangnet|Strangnet]] (''[[User talk:Strangnet|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Strangnet|c]]'') 16:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Gwernol, I didn't see your reply on Strangnet's talk, and went ahead and blocked for a week. Matrix17 appeared to be the only one on that IP at least as far back as the 31st March, so I don't think there'll be too much collateral damage. Feel free to alter the block if necessary. – [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 17:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==hello===

hi, id like to be like u. how do u catch so many people.

== Fairbourne Railway Article ==

Hi there Gwernol

Thanks for sorting out my formatting on the Fairbourne Railway page - I still can't get rid of the commercial operations bit though! - I will try and add some more events into the preservation history - such as the extension to the new barmouth Ferry station in 1976 and hopefully it won't mess the table up again!

Cheers

[[User:Willsmith3|Willsmith3]] 13:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Toa Mario==
I have no idea what this is about, but this guy, you know him as "Toa Mario," asked me on another site (Ask the name of the site if ya don't believe me, but I see no need to name it) to give you this message.
:"This message is froM Toa Mario. I can assure you i made no sockpuppets. my proof? Check this IPs.Anybody can do the same edits as someone and use their same edit summaries. That is way unfair. Check the IPs, thenr econsider the block and give me an apology" [[User:ElectricTurahk|ElectricTurahk]] 19:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

@Message on my page: Why thank you. I don't exactly like him myself. :P I've had run ins with him, even blocked him semi-personally on another wiki site. But, heh, I tried, so he can't keep botherin' me now. [[User:ElectricTurahk|ElectricTurahk]] 19:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Schoolblock==
Hi, our attention to [[User talk:205.119.61.26]] coincided, and I was in the process of applying a weeks block just as you added a final warning – if you feel the block is unjustified, feel free to unblock. These schools! .. [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 19:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rail gauges in [[List of Rail Gauges]] ==
Hi, if you look at the earlier versions or the article you'd see that ''parts'' of some fractions would tend to drop to the second line as though the "imperial" column was not wide enough and the "comments" column appears to be too wide. This happened only in [[List of Rail Gauges#Broad gauge railways, by gauge and country]] and on my monitor it appears to be happening again, in all other lists the "imperial" column appears to be wider (why?)
{|class="wikitable"
!Gauge
!imperial
!Country
!Notes
|-
|2140 mm
|7 ft 0{{frac|1|4}}in
|[[United Kingdom]]
|[[Brunel]]'s [[Great Western Railway]] until re-gauged by May 1892, see Great Western Railway [[Great Western Railway#The "gauge war|The "gauge war"]]
|-
|2000 mm
|6 ft 6{{frac|3|4}} in
|[[United Kingdom]]
|[[Cairngorm Mountain Railway]]
|-
|1945 mm
|6 ft 4{{frac|12|21}} in
|[[Netherlands]]
|1839–1864 [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html]
|-
|1880 mm
|6 ft 2 in
|[[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland|United Kingdom]]
|Ulster Railway, 1839–1846
|-
|1750 mm
|5 ft 8{{frac|9|10}} in
|[[France]]
|on [[Ligne de Sceaux|one line]], 1891 [[:fr:Société nationale des chemins de fer vicinaux SNCV|1750 mm]]
|-
|rowspan="8"|1676 mm
|rowspan="8"|5 ft 6 in
|[[Argentina]]
|Almost all lines [[America Latina Logistica]] [http://www.all-logistica.com.ar], ([[Railroad Development Corporation]], [http://www.rrdc.com/op_argentina_all_central.html ALL Central]) (former San Martín line), [[Nuevo Central Argentino]] (former Mitre line) and [[Ferrosur Roca]] (former Roca line), except Urquiza and Belgrano
|-
|[[Bangladesh]]
|
|-
|[[Canada]]
|[[Grand Trunk Railway]], [[St. Lawrence and Atlantic Railroad]] and the [[Champlain and St. Lawrence Railroad]] until 1873, see also [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]], Specific names, [[Provincial gauge]] [http://collections.ic.gc.ca/cnphoto/english/gt_ang.html The Grand Trunk Railway of Canada]. [[Intercolonial Railway of Canada]] until 1875. See also [[Narrow gauge#Canada|Canada]]
|-
|[[Chile]]
|[[Empresa de los Ferrocarriles del Estado]]
|-
|[[India]]
|
|-
|[[Pakistan]]
|
|-
|[[Sri Lanka]]
|
|-
|[[United States of America]]
|BART - [[Bay Area Rapid Transit]] - San Francisco Bay Area
|-
|1672 mm
|5 ft 5{{frac|7|8}} in
|[[Spain]]
|Original gauge
|-
|rowspan="2"|1668 mm
|rowspan="2"|5 ft 5{{frac|5|6}} in
|[[Portugal]]
|Adjusted from the original 1664 mm
|-
|[[Spain]]
|Adjusted from the original 1672 mm (All RENFE national railways, except High-Speed AVE line Sevilla-Madrid-Barcelona)
|-
|1664 mm
|5 ft 5{{frac|1|2}} in
|[[Portugal]]
|Original gauge
|-
|rowspan="4"|1600 mm
|rowspan="4"|5 ft 3 in
|[[Ireland]]
|Both Republic and North
|-
|[[Brazil]]
|Lines connecting the states of [[Rio de Janeiro (state)|Rio de Janeiro]], [[São Paulo (state)|São Paulo]] and [[Minas Gerais]]; E.F.Carajás in [[Pará]] and [[Maranhão]] states, and Ferronorte in [[Mato Grosso]] and [[Mato Grosso do Sul]] states
|-
|[[Australia]]
|States of [[South Australia]], [[Victoria, Australia|Victoria]], [[New South Wales]] (a few routes entering from Neighbouring Victoria only) and [[Tasmania, Australia]] (one line, [[Deloraine, Tasmania|Deloraine]] to [[Launceston, Tasmania|Launceston]], opened in 1871 and converted to {{3ft6in}} in 1888)
|-
|[[New Zealand]]
|[[Canterbury Provincial Railways]] (All routes gauge converted to {{3ft6in}} by 1876)
|-
|1588 mm
|5 ft 2{{frac|1|2}}in
|[[United States of America]]
|[[Pennsylvania]] Trolley gauge (?), [[Cincinnati]] ([[:nl:Lijst van spoorwijdten]]) and [[New Orleans, Louisiana|New Orleans]] See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]] and [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html Railroad Gauge Width]
|-
|1581 mm
|5 ft 2{{frac|1|4}}in
|[[United States of America]]
|[[Pennsylvania]] Trolley gauge (?) and [[Baltimore]] See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]] and [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html Railroad Gauge Width]
|-
|1575 mm
|5 ft 2 in
|[[Ireland]]
|Dublin and Drogheda Railway, 1844–1846
|-
|rowspan="3"|1524 mm
|rowspan="3"|5 ft
|[[Finland]]
|
|-
|[[USA]]
|The South - prior to and after the Civil War
|-
|[[Panama Canal]]
|prior to conversion to standard gauge in 2000 to suit off-the-shelf supply.
|-
|rowspan="18"|1520 mm
|rowspan="18"|4 ft 
11{{frac|5|6}} in
|[[Armenia]]
|
|-
|[[Azerbaijan]]
|
|-
|[[Belarus]]
|
|-
|[[Estonia]]
|
|-
|[[Georgia (country)|Georgia]]
|
|-
|[[Kazakhstan]]
|
|-
|[[Kyrgyzstan]]
|
|-
|[[Latvia]]
|
|-
|[[Lithuania]]
|
|-
|[[Moldova]]
|
|-
|[[Mongolia]]
|
|-
|[[Poland]]
|almost exclusively on one line, see [[Linia Hutnicza Szerokotorowa]]
|-
|[[Russia]]
|
|-
|[[Slovakia]]
|Only on one line ("Širokorozchodná trať" [[Maťovce]] - [[Haniska pri Košiciach]]) and from the border station of [[Čierna nad Tisou]] to the state border with [[Ukraine]], both operated by [[ZSSK Cargo]].
|-
|[[Tajikistan]]
|
|-
|[[Turkmenistan]]
|
|-
|[[Ukraine]]
|
|-
|[[Uzbekistan]]
|
|-
|1495 mm
|4 ft 10{{frac|7|8}} in
|[[Canada]]
|[[Toronto Transit Commission]] [[Rapid transit|subway]], [[light rail]] and [[streetcar]]s). See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]], Toronto subway [[Toronto subway and RT#track gauge|gauge]] and Toronto streetcar [[Toronto streetcar system#track gauge|gauge]]
|-
|1473 mm
|4 ft 10 in
|[[USA]]
|[[Midwestern United States|The Midwest]] - until after the [[American Civil War|Civil War]]
|}

On the list above the problem reappears and the "imparial" column appears to be too narrow. At keast that is how it appears on my monitor. All other lists in this article appear to be A1 OK, the "imperial" column is wider and the "comments" column is narrower (why?).
[[User:Peter Horn|Peter Horn]] 21:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
: Make that "Notes" instead of "comments". The "Country" column also appears to be wider than it appears in the other tables (why?). [[User:Peter Horn|Peter Horn]] 01:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== User page protected ==

Hi! I've fullprotected your user page for a couple of weeks due to the persisting vandalism. I hope you don't mind... —[[User talk:Messedrocker|Signed]], your friendly neighborhood '''[[User:Messedrocker|MessedRocker]]'''. 21:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== User 86.3.250.240 (repeated vandalism) ==

Hi. Came straight here this time having just looked at the talk/contrib pages for {{user |86.3.250.240}}. 'He' was 7-day blocked by yourself a week ago, and is now back causing havoc in the various 'Thomas' pages, for which he was blocked in the first place. I haven't reverted anything yet, as I know you have tools to tackle this task more quickly than I could. Your assistance would be appreciated. Thanks

(BTW -- maybe time for another talk page archive?? :o) )

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 22:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you -- [[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 23:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tell ==

Tell him to stop he has no authorization to do it to my page tell him to request a checkuser. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:KURDBIJISTAN&action=history] {{unsigned|KURDBIJISTAN}}

:Can you urgently block him? He is trolling and is on a vandal spree.. He definitely is a sockpuppet of a banned user. [[User:Baristarim|Baristarim]] 01:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABaristarim%2FTo_do&diff=122106841&oldid=122106441 this] and the deceptive edit summaries [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallipoli_%28disambiguation%29&diff=122109661&oldid=117253473].. [[User:Baristarim|Baristarim]] 01:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Ode to the helpful admin==

:I spend a lot of time patrolling Recent Changes, :Looking for destruction that's been wrought on our pages, :There are more silly people than I could possibly handle, :So thank you blocking [[User:Mikeylovessantiago|this]] annoying vandal. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dweller/Odes"

:Alas! My fears were growing worse,
:That none would reply to my ode in verse,
:All admins work in prose infernal...
:But I should have trusted in you, Gwernol.

Thanks! - [[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 13:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Continued use of two accounts (Legitimate Use of) ==

Let me reinforce my earlier comment that you should not use two separate accounts on Wikipedia. Please stop editing with this account and stick to your Istia account. If you continue to edit from this account I will block it to ensure that no further confusion occurs. Thank you, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 13:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Gwernol, I have two accounts. One for personal use, and one for professional use. This is acceptable Wikipedia policy. If I have to sign up for some kind of special permission, just let me know how. I never saw your "earlier comment" about two accounts, so I'd appreciate knowing where you posted that, for reference's sake.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would focus on the trolling and harassment problems I have posted. Thanks in advance. [[User:Jenniferpowell|Jenniferpowell]] 13:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Here is why I am using two accounts ==

The reason I'm using both accounts on a related page is because two men are attacking contributions made under the professional account because of a dispute they had with my personal account. They made the link, I didn't. If that happens, I'll gladly stop crossing wires. Now could you help me to please get rid of these trolls? This is an international organization website, and they keep flaming it. Also, since I made a report to the administrator incident page under one login, I think it is wise to do it under the same login. Thanks. ´[[User:Jenniferpowell|Jenniferpowell]] 13:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== THOSE LINKS ARE NECESSARY - CAN I PLEASE CALL YOU FROM SWITZERLAND? ==

Gwernol, Please send an email to [email protected]. I can explain to you why those links are very important to understanding the work of this agency. Please stop deleting them. Thanks.

== Istia/Jenniferpowell won't stop ==

She has been through all of this before (see the ANI) but she ain't stopping. She is now vandalizing the text of the 'prod' tag to suit her own interests. I don't think her disruption should be tolerated any further. Today and in the past she has shown herself to be a bad faith editor. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Her latest edits look a lot like [[WP:CANVAS|canvassing]]. --[[User:Strangnet|Strangnet]] (''[[User talk:Strangnet|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Strangnet|c]]'') 14:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I know that 'prod' removal normally means AFD, but somehow I thought an exception would be made since it was the Executive Director removing the tag. But I guess the rules don't actually address that situation. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:And I am actually more concerned with the user's incredibly poor conduct, but I think IrishGuy will take care of that, as he had to before. Thanks again for help. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::I posted this at ANI but I think I should follow up here too. She is now advocating meatpuppetry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIstia&diff=122246594&oldid=122239803]. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 16:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Istia is acting up again. This time she is calling you a 'vandal' as part of her unblock request. Why hasn't she been indef'd yet? Racist attacks, socks, block evasion, COI, vandalism, spamming, more personal attacks, disruptive editing. Wikipedia has tolerated much more from her than most other disruptive users, and yet she fails to repent. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 23:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Rivers-Manning trade ==
I did not delete content (other than the Chargers box at the bottom which I think is clear evidence that the prior edits before mine *were* biased. If you feel that I shouldn't have CORRECTED information after having put a POV tag, fine. But my edits were not vandalism and while it may have been within your rights as an admin to revert my changes, they were reverted to a far more biased version than the one that I left. I have a feeling that your own biases are perhaps playing into this.
[[User:129.98.125.142|129.98.125.142]] 15:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC) 129.98.125.142

== {{User|165.234.104.4}} ==
Couldn't this be {{User|R9tgokunks}} with his reverting antics again? --[[User:RCS|RCS]] 17:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Gwernol,
I'm sorry I did was u call vandalism. I didn't know. it's my first time on this and i wasn't completely sure of the rules. I'm very glad u corrected me and I hope u aren't mad. i promise i will try to never do wikipedia vandalism again. Sorry. BTW, ur really good at tracking this vandalism stuff, good job!
22:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Blakmist|Blakmist]] 22:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Alex (Blakmist)

== WP:RFA ==

I'm in the process of answering your question now. [[User:Bushcarrot|Bushcarrot]] ([[User_talk:Bushcarrot|Talk]]·[[User:Bushcarrot/guests|Guestbook]]) 02:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Got another DickLukens puppet ==

[[User:DLMaster]] - already tagged for your convenience. ''[[User:Hersfold|Hersfold]]'' ([[User_Talk:Hersfold|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|work]]) 14:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks for helping on the Zendik Farm page==
I appreciate your skilled re draftings and thanks god for a neutral pov. i learned a lot about how to organize and clean up an article, the reference layout, etc. Thanks again...
[[User:Jyre|Jyre]] 16:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== WP:COI Debate at ISTIA AfD ==

Hi Gwernol,

Regarding the [[WP:COI]] discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/International_Services_Trade_Information_Agency|ISTIA AfD]].
I don't want to discuss WP:COI there, because the discussion got out of control already. I am not so happy anymore that I got myself involved to help out a Wikipedia Newbie who made some of the mistakes for the same wrong reasons I did when I started editing at Wikipedia.

I discussed that with oher editors on user talk pages [[User_talk:Cumbrowski#International_Services_Trade_Information_Agency|here]] and [[User_talk:Fredrick_day#ISTIA_AfD_discussion_comment|here]]. Well I hope something good comes out of it at the end. I was supposed to write something else. Wikipedia is "stealing me time, ahh" hehe (that is humor and okay IMO, because it helps to lighten up a little when people got a bit too tight in a heated debate).

'''Back to WP:COI'''

*Quote: "The reason we don't want people who have a personal stake in a subject editing its article is because they don't have a neutral point of view on that subject."

Nobody has a 100% NPOV to any subject nor to Wikipedia itself or is 100% free of bias towards other People. I am an Affiliate Marketer and Search Marketer (not professionally yet, but that has more to do with legal restrictions imposed on me, because of US visa laws)
I can tell you that I faced a lot of bias and not so NPOV when I was editing numerous articles to the internet marketing subject.
The misconseption what affiliate marketers or marketers do and not do in general is the cause of prejudges towards what my intent could possibly be.

Useing the wide spread prejudges towards car sales men or lawyers as an example. A lot of people believe at least to a tiny bit that both of them are liars and use lies to make a living.
To different extends of course.

People involved with the subject have (or should have) deeper knowledge of the subject than anybody else and most are able to take a step back and look at things from the outside to some extend. This works better if done together with somebody who has no clue about the subject, because it lets the knowledgeable person see things in a different light.

*Quote: "People who are highly involved in a subject tend to have very particular views of it "

Good, which should in articles where it is necessary to reflect different views, become part of the article

*Quote: "and tend to have [[WP:V|unverifiable]] inside information that they want to put into articles. "

[[WP:NOT]], [[WP:N]], [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:MOS]] cover that perfectly and if an article follows them, then must guides such as [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:EL]], [[WP:V]] and a lot of others have been followed as well.

It does not matter what the subject of an article is, but any article that was written by only one editor must be scrutinized. It is almost impossible to have one person that is able to write a perfect article that does not violate any guideline.

That were other editors come into the discussion. Other experts may be, but more importantly non-experts with little knowledge of the subject but enough interest to learn about it and without a strong bias towards it.
Although I edited a large portion of the affiliate marketing article, did the article not happen overnight to become what it is today. It will continue to evolve.

Some fix grammar, some argue about the source and demand that claims that are made are being backed by verifiable sources. I still believe that too few editors scrutinized the article to ensure that all guidelines are followed properly.
Everybody that contributes helps to make the article better by bringing another POV to the table and might sees a [[WP:MOS]] or [[WP:NOT]] issue that others have not seen because of their each of their own bias.

*Quote: "The core principle of an encyclopedia is we summarize information about a subject that has been published independently of the subject."

Which goes beyond being just a Dictionary. It provides information that should reflect tons of points of view to become neutral.
I believe that if you get all the different sources to provide content, pros and cons and whatnot and then have each editor look the other over the shoulder to keep it as short and on the subject as possible, clean up the language and remove everything that can't be verified at all, that you will get yourself a very good Encyclopediac article.

Tendencies and even sometimes "speculations" should be part of an article, but even there should be provided a reference who is speculating and what are the tendecies that are mentioned based on.

The subjects of ancient history are for a large part "speculations". Only because a lot of people say that something is supposed to be a certain way, does it not make it true. It is only the current and most accepted oppinion by people that don't know all the facts either, but more than the average person. Subjects that are about something new or very progressive don't have much mainstream sources to back them up, because the masses are not aware of it yet.

Subjects like [[Search engine optimization|SEO]] and [[Affiliate marketing]] are over 12 years old. Affiliate marketing as we know it today started in 1994 for example. SEO dates back to the first crawler based search engine called "[[World Wide Web Wanderer]]" in 1993. It was not called SEO back then. It was called a lot of different things actually.

The subjects remained uncovered in the big press for years, even after it grew to a large industry. Same with affiliate marketing. Google's introduction of Google Pay per action shows how many people have no idea that affiliate marketing exists and how old it is. What new Google thing? Oh, the thing that [[The Wall Street Journal]] wrote about, okay, now it is official (I am exaggerating here).

To cover subjects like that as early as possible should be in the interest of an encyclopedia. You rely on insider to get information about it. The sources to back them up are also rooted in what the subject is about, but that does not make them unreliable sources. I don't want to go into the subject of reliable sources, but that is what it boils down to at the end.

[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] and [[Wikipedia:No_original_research#Reputable_publications]] are actually pretty good at explaining the problem. Wikipedia has no mechanism to verify and rate sources. Who is behind the source? Where does the information come from? How was it gathered? What are the goals and interest of the source? etc.

'''Wrap up:''' The good thing with somebody that can be identified as meeting the definitions of [[WP:COI]] that other editors will know what to look for in particular when they review content that was provided by the editor in question.

It will be easy to fix if necessary. The flaws can be made transparent to the editor without beating around the bush, which includes questionable content that was added with the right intention, but fails to meet important criteria. Things like "[[WP:V|unverifiable]] inside information".

People that openly disclose their relationship to the subject of an article are at least honest, what you have to give them credit for and if they are responding to issues that are related to content they provided even better.

If they can bring verifiable sources (what they usually are better at than anybody else), perfect. I see no problem with those editors at all. They are like "eye witness" of historic events. They provide a lot of detailed material, but this material must be taken with a grain of salt.

Does that make sense to you? Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:Cumbrowski|'''roy''']]<sac> [[User talk:Cumbrowski|Talk!]] .oOo. 16:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Olz 06 RfA==
Oh sorry I didn't realise that was kinda needed for RfA. Maybe I'll try in 6 months time.
Many thanks. {{signed|olz06}}

==RfA questions==
I've answered the questions you left on my RfA. [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 13:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for your support. In terms of my general support for RfA candidates, I take your point that they need to have enough experience to know what to do with the admin tools, and I would certainly never support an RfA candidate with a two-digit editcount, for example. (In such a case, I would most likely not vote, knowing that the RfA would be snowed under with opposes anyway.) So I don't disagree with you. [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 16:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::On reflection, I take your point about that as well. I wasn't hugely impressed with that candidate's policy knowledge, hence why I wrote "Adminship is no big deal" rather than "This is a good candidate". However, my decision to support anyway was based more on the fact that it was Smcafirst's second RfA, and he had improved exponentially since the last one. His nomination statement also indicated that he'd made a huge amount of effort on Wikipedia in the last couple of months. So I thought he deserved the benefit of the doubt, especially given his substantial editcount. I do understand that adminship isn't a trophy to be awarded for exceptional effort, but I also think that users' feelings should be taken into account, as well as the amount of effort they make preparing for an RfA. I admit that the above isn't a viewpoint firmly grounded in policy, and I know many users wouldn't agree with it (hence why I never, ever intend to run for bureaucratship, as no one would ever trust me to close an RfA). [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 16:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== He's so insane ==
{{User|R9tgokunks}} is edit-warring me to keep WRONG INFORMATIONs in an article : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alsace&diff=122799200&oldid=122798909]. This is just crazy !!!! [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:thanks that really is nice that you call me insane...my self-esteem is alot higher now... id just like people to stop harassing me today....... the reversion started due to Tulkolahten saying i added something about the Czech language... but I didn't say '''anything'' about the Czech language .... :| i would like to know WHY am I being personally attacked for something i haven't said? Second, I'm not doing anything wrong at [[Okres]] or [[Kraj]] but {{User|RCS}} and {{User|Tulkolahten}} keep on attacking me personally and reverting... calling me a vandal...but they are the ones removing information.... and at [[Alsace]] where i made the History table, people keep reverting my work... and saying it is VANDALISM?
More personal attack: *
{{quote|"What you deserve is a clone of yourself pestering you as you pester us people from Alsace. [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)"}}
*{{quote|"it is Argentoratum, you bloody fool, now stop putting wrong infos in the article !"}}
*"== He's so insane =="
*"UserR9tgokunks is edit-warring me to keep WRONG INFORMATIONs in an article : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alsace&diff=122799200&oldid=122798909]. This is just crazy !!!! [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)"
-- [[User:R9tgokunks|Hrödberäht]] ([[User talk:R9tgokunks|gespräch]]) 19:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==Advice==
Thank you for the suggestions on my RfA, even though I don't think the application will go through, I respect your especially kind contribution to discussion and I will be seeking the proposed Editorial review and increasing my stance on all corners on the English Wikipedia. [[User:Brylcreem2|Brylcreem2]] 21:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== alrite old chum? ==

why did you delete the other pictures from the other articles? I think they were appropiate and did not show any bias or anything un-wikipedia-like. So why?

== estate ==

i keep adding valid info and you keep deleting it. I removed the webpage link like you said to follow your directions, but you keep removing it.

== removed my images ==

I own the images you deleted. They are copuwrite, but by ME so I have the right to use them however I want!

== If i remove the subscription part and just put info about it and a photo of it is that ok? ==

If i remove the subscription part and just put info about it and a photo of it is that ok?

==Thanks for reverting vandalism==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page and blocking the IP that vandalized my page. This is not the first time that this IP vandalized my user page so could you please keep an eye on [[Special:Contributions/141.213.187.30|this IP]]? Hope to hear from you soon. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 13:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Query ==

About your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ben&diff=next&oldid=123074449 edit to my talk page] with the comment ''"Remove legal threat from banned user"'' : Uh, what legal threat? -- [[User:Ben|'''''Ben''''']]&ensp;[[User talk:Ben|'''TALK''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Ben|'''HIST''']] 22:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[User_talk:Davesmith33]] ==

Just wanted to give you a heads up that he's been [[User_talk:Davesmith33#Blanking|blanking his talk page]] of the warnings. You might want to give him another time-out. [[User:Fethers|fethers]] 16:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think he gets it. [[User:Fethers|fethers]] 18:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure he's grateful that you finally protected his talk page. He seems to have been wanting this to be done for a while. [[User:TimVickers|TimVickers]] 18:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know that less than 24 hours into the return from his block, Davesmith is making exactly the same edits and resuming the same edit wars. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Cool - for some reason he's still on my watch list and I couldn't help but notice. Thought you may have wanted a heads up - but good to know that he's been clocked. Cheers, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Better watch out... ==

HE'S TYPING LIKE THIS. HE'S GONNA START BITING HIS MOUSE ANY MINUTE NOW. [[User:HalfShadow|HalfShadow]] 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

=='''I need your help'''==
Dear gwernol:
You have previously helped me with RODOLFO VALENTIN article, but you also have been upset with me about my editing’s, but(“what about the others editing’s on my articles?)..
But, since you fixed the article several other people came and deleted most of the file, always with the same “excuse” ADVERTISEMENT.
I need your help to prevent people from delete chunks of the file that are “no convenience for them”. What I mean with that is because Rodolfo Valentin is a famous hairdresser in New York City and most of the other hairdressers are jealous of his career. I am sure the deletions are mostly coming from these competitors, because in the article are named very important people that are his clientele that most of the other hairdressers would like to have. Also, you have added back “hair infusion” part that previously other administrator linked together in his article (it was in a separate article before). The Hair Infusion is a trademarked hair extensions technique created by Rodolfo Valentin from which ALSO the other Salons are jealous since they cannot do it, and it also has been removed completely from the same person that removed everything else using the name: WALKER42.
I understand that it can be edited, but please help me to keep the file integrity!
Thank you!

==Question about your rollback of my changes==
Hi, you recently rolled back my changes to the payday loan article. I think I understand why, but want to see if you can advise me on whether/how to reference the particular change (I have read the external links guide, but still have a question).

I believe that the offending link was to a page on "cashloanbyphone.com". I was trying to provide a source for information that has long been in the article, and by showing where it came from, indicate that it is provided as an argument in the controversy section of the article - and is by no means unassailable truth. I see that the link violates policy, but the information begs a reference, and it is appropriate to the section to include biased arguments by the industry in question, especially given that this information appears on more than one lenders' site, as I noted explicitly in the text. Please advise.

Note: I also see that this statement I added should have been referenced and could have been phrased better:
"In fact, the payday loan industry's best customers are the people who do not have the ability to pay back their loans."
It is supported by a statistic in section 2 of the article, with reference. I will reference that and phrase it better when I re-add it.

Thanks a bunch. Still learning. No spam intended. [[User:Pladuk|Pladuk]] 00:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

==From Justice all the way==
Gwernol you keep acussing me and treating me of several things. As you noted in my page:

Sofia's Hair 4 Health
Please don't add unsourced assertions to Wikipedia articles. You simply cannot just make the claim that Valentino was the first person to make prosthetic hair without also providing an independent source that readers can use to verify this information. Even if this fact is true and you can source it, what relevance does it have to the Sofia's Hair 4 Health article? Gwernol 20:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final warning: Spam on Hair prosthesis
This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, as you did to Hair prosthesis, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted as well, preventing anyone from linking to them from any site that uses the MediaWiki spam blacklist, which includes all of Wikimedia and Wikipedia. Gwernol 21:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justice_all_the_way"

What I added was to show the required external sources for make the statement verifiable.
So now I am really confused: if I do it, it is bad, If I don't, then it is removed because I didn't.
In the meantime, people is almost playing like a crazy with my article "Rodolfo Valentin". They have removed a lot of verifiable information. They have removed a picture of Rodolfo with Mrs.Catsimatidis and Ms.Milos ( a picture that I took myself with my camera). previously they also removed another picture of Rodolfo with the princess yasmin aga Khan (rita hayword doughter), also a picture that I took myself!. They removed a big portion of the article showing the names of the people related to Rodolfo, important people that also has an article in wikipedia done by others.
the "hair infusion" part, the latest invention of rodolfo, was also completely removed by WALKER42 (twice already by him, it feels like he has something against my article). Previously the "hair infusion" was an article in its own, then BIKEABLE linked together in Rodolfo Valentin article, NOW it is completely removed from the article. That Rodolfo Valentin is the inventor of the Hair infusion technique is also easily verifiable by visiting the Us trademark website, and search in the trademarks "THE HAIR INFUSION", to see that it shows trademarked by RODOLFO VALENTIN. BUT! if I do that, somebody else, later will came and remove it saying that it is "advertisement".
You also are becoming very rude with me and I think it is not fair.
sincerely,
justice all the way

==GWERNOL I NEED YOUR HELP==

I understand your note in my page. but I also need you answered my other comments noted above.I am noting them here again: A big pieces of Rodolfo Valentin article has been removed without reason. That piece was showing the names of important people related to Rodolfo that also are having an article in WP.( it has been done twice by WALKER42). There also was a picture of Mrs.Catsimatidis and Ms.Milos ( a picture that I took myself with my camera). previously they also removed another picture of Rodolfo with the princess yasmin aga Khan (rita hayword doughter), also a picture that I took myself.
Next: the hair infusion, an invention of Rodolfo Valentin was having an article in its own.
BIKEABLE linked it together to Rodolfo Valentin article. The hair infusion, Rodolfo's invention is very easy verifiable by visiting the US TRADEMARK OFFICE. click on Trademarks, then search trademarks and then typing THE HAIR INFUSION in the search box. It will show that it is RODOLFO VALENTIN trademark. For which reason, the hair infusion part of the article has been completely removed?-
I really don't feel to touch any article anymore, can you please help me to re-establish the Hair infusion part, the picture removed and the chunk of the file containing the people related to Rodolfo?- Thank you
justice all the way [[User:Justice all the way|jorge maria perez]] 23:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Allerton ==

Howdy. I noticed you have been rving vandalism on the high school page. Said vandal has struck again and am unsure of how to put it back to your last version. Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Whiskey in the Jar|Whiskey in the Jar]] 15:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[WP:CSD]] ==

Hi, Gwernol;

When I took this job on nobody told me that I could work 4 hours on this page and not reduce the backlog AT ALL!! OK, I will carry on working. But we have something over 800 active admins; Assuming 3/4 are asleep or at work, where are the other 199???

Just kidding really, but felt the need to kick and scream a bit.--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 17:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
* Oh hey, I hear ya there! I spent three hours in there myself yesterday. As someone remarked on WP:AN yesterday; "All crap, no glory" :) - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 18:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
**When you start ad CSd, is when that yellow box pops up every 5 minutes with unsigned comments asking why did you delete my article. (but im sure all of you already know that, lol). [[User:Chrislk02|-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)]] 18:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi, I'd like to ask a question about our old friend Eoganan. He keeps cropping up form time to time, but is more of a pest than anything else. If I suspect that this user also has another account that they don't use for this sort of editing, how can I check this? Is there a way of checking a User account's IP address to see if it is similar to an anonymous IP address? There is a user I suspect of doing this, but I don't want to throw accusations arround. Thanks for any help. [[User:Wobble|Alun]] 18:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: There's a page about improper use of multiple accounts, known on wikipedia as [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|Sock puppetry]]. Read through that, then decide whether to add the user to the list of [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets|suspected sock puppets]]. --[[User:Pladuk|Pladuk]] 19:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks. [[User:Wobble|Alun]] 05:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Jodie_Foster#Jodie_Foster_is_a_lesbian.3F|Jodie Foster]] ==

I noticed that you must have had this article listed as you have been a long time reverter of certain information. :) I wondered if I could ask you to pass by the talk page and offer an opinion on a source? Linkee above is directly there Thanks --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]'' 19:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]'' 21:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== hi ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosie_O%27Donnell&diff=123944542&oldid=123942588 and a couple more[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] |[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]] 23:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== B1029 ==

I blanked B1029's page for a good reason. He has a sock puppet. [[User talk:B1029|B1029]] and [[User talk:BLhalo|BLhalo]] are accounts from the same person.--[[User:L141414|L141414]] 00:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Rick-K Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==

No problem:) You deserve it. Thank yourself for it:)--[[User:Sir james paul|James, La gloria è a dio]] 03:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%28aeropagitica%29&diff=cur Cheers!] ==

Thanks for the revert, just as I was blocking the chap for being a vandal-only account, too! [[User talk:(aeropagitica)|(aeropagitica)]] 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== speedy tag on [[Pierre Joliot]] ==

Could you please look at [[Pierre Joliot]], which is tagged for speedy deletion? The original author tagged it inappropriately as {{tl|db-author}}, which I removed, and then as {{tl|db-notability}}? I don't want to remove a speedy tag from this article again. --[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] 22:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you for the recognition ==

Oops, put this at the top by mistake.
I'd like to thank you as a fellow Welshman for your vote of confidence in me and my work in improving Southern Railway articles. However, I already have an account as "Bulleid Pacific," its just that after being rather controversial on the issue of the locomotive numbering lists, I felt I should lie low and improve other articles incognito, though really it means that I sometimes forget to log in. Its a pleasure to work with you. Rydw i'n hoffi iawn rheilfyrdd mewn Prydain! I think thats correct, as I haven't done Welsh since my GCSEs! Anyway, cheers.--[[User:172.200.252.212|172.200.252.212]] 11:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Bulleid Pacific's alter-ego). As you can see, it is me. Hwyl fawr. --[[User:Bulleid Pacific|Bulleid Pacific]] 11:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== Micropenis ==

With all due respect, I do not appreciate your demeanour in your note about [[micropenis]] on my talk page. I accidentally reverted to the wrong version as the result of a sequence likely similar to the following: 
# Freedomlinux compares ShadowBot to 172.200.184.80 
# Freedomlinux determines that 172.200.184.80 has constructed vandalism. 
# Freedomlinux becomes distracted. 
# Gwernol reverts to ShadowBot. 
# Freedomlinux reverts to previous version (which is now 172.200.184.80 instead of ShadowBot. 
I did not realize that the last revision had changed, and therefore contained vandalism, and neither did you. You made two separate reverts, also not noticing that the edit contained vandalism. 
I kindly request that you be less quick on the trigger and assume good faith about other established users. [[User:Freedomlinux|Freedomlinux]] 01:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

==My RfA==
<div style="float:center; border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:#F5FFFA; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">[[Image:Smiley.svg|left|62px]]

Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}, thank you for supporting [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Walton_monarchist89 2|my RfA!]] I was promoted with a final tally of 68/12/0. Also, please wish a Happy Birthday to [[Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom|Her Majesty the Queen]]. [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]]
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== myCFO RfA?==
I don't understand why this simple neutral voice article describing a substantial referenced corporation keeps getting wholesale deleted -- with no discussion or talk. This Wikipedia is article entry is describing in a neutral voice describing 'myCFO' as a substantial operating corporation. myCFO, in operations since 1999, now also operating underthe name Harris myCFO. myCFO is discussed in detail in a verifiable external link to a credible authenticated reference source article in the Wall Street Journal, a reliable reference source publication with objective substance and well established edited reference fact checking credibility. I understand it does not start with a capital letter, but this is how this corporation is named since 1999.

Here is the article:

The company myCFO is tax accounting and financial services firm started in 1999 to help wealthy Silicon Valley individuals manage their fortunes. Most of myCFO's assets and operations were sold to Harris Bank in late 2002 and now operates as Harris myCFO providing the same services. myCFO was the subject of a March 2007 Wall Street Journal Investigative Report [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117315071803627877.html?mod=hps_us_pageone]

Ref: March 6th 2007 Wall Street Journal Investigative Report [[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117315071803627877.html?mod=hps_us_pageone]] —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Vwt|Vwt]] ([[User talk:Vwt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vwt|contribs]]) 09:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for fixing the vandalism to my talk page[[User:Vgranucci|Vgranucci]] 00:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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== I can watch my own user page. ==

I would like you to stop watching my user page, thank you. some people got ahold of my password, but that has been taken care of.
[[User:Gijake|Gijake]] 02:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange edit history ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tay_Zonday This] is confusing me. I was alerted when the editor changed Betacommand's hatred of Internet Explorer to love. How would you classify this editor's contributions?! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] 12:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Gwernol

2007-04-24T12:32:29Z

...adam...: /* User_talk:Davesmith33 */ ad nauseum

Hello. Welcome to my Talk page. Feel free to leave a comment at the '''bottom''' of the page. Please sign your comments by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end. Thanks, Gwernol.

== Archives ==
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*[[/Archive 1]] April 2005 through early March 2006
*[[/Archive 2]] March 2006
*[[/Archive 3]] April 2006
*[[/Archive 4]] First half of May 2006
*[[/Archive 5]] Second half of May 2006
*[[/Archive 6]] First half of June 2006
*[[/Archive 7]] Second half of June 2006
*[[/Archive 8]] First half of July 2006
*[[/Archive 9]] Second half of July 2006
*[[/Archive 10]] First half of August 2006
*[[/Archive 11]] Second half of August 2006
*[[/Archive 12]] First half of September 2006
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*[[/Archive 16]] First half of November 2006
*[[/Archive 17]] Second half of November 2006
*[[/Archive 18]] December 2006
*[[/Archive 19]] January 2007
*[[/Archive 20]] February 2007
*[[/Archive 21]] March 2007
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== Thank you for the recognition ==

I'd like to thank you as a fellow Welshman for your vote of confidence in me and my work in improving Southern Railway articles. However, I already have an account as "Bulleid Pacific," its just that after being rather controversial on the issue of the locomotive numbering lists, I felt I should lie low and improve other articles incognito, though really it means that I sometimes forget to log in. Its a pleasure to work with you. Rydw i'n hoffi iawn rheilfyrdd mewn Prydain! I think thats correct, as I haven't done Welsh since my GCSEs! Anyway, cheers.--[[User:172.200.252.212|172.200.252.212]] 11:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Bulleid Pacific's alter-ego). As you can see, it is me. Hwyl fawr. --[[User:Bulleid Pacific|Bulleid Pacific]] 11:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

*Thanks for voting in my RfA. I've decided to withdraw my acceptance because of real [[WP:CIVIL]] concerns. I will try again later when I've proven to myself and others that my anger will no longer interfere with my abilities as a Wikipedia editor. Thanks again, and I'll see you around here shortly. :) [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 04:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hay I did not edit anything to day.But my friend did.So do not ban my account for something I did not do.

Hay I did not edit anything to day.But my friend did.So do not ban my account for something I did not do.19:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Dark flame2598|Dark flame2598]]Shadow259819:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)19:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)~~

==RfA==
As you voted Neutral on [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Walton_monarchist89|my last RfA]], back in November, on the grounds that I didn't have enough experience (which, in retrospect, you were right about), I decided to ask you for some advice. Do you think I am now ready for a second RfA? I now have over 3700 edits, extensive participation in XfDs and vandal-fighting, and several major article rewrites (including [[Politics]], which is now listed as a GA). You also expressed concerns about the potential POV implications of my username; since then, I have customised my sig to exclude the word "monarchist". (Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to make this an actual username change, as [[User:Walton]] is already taken and is not a possible candidate for usurpation.) So would you be prepared to support, if I go to RfA during this month? [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 19:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

I immediately reedited and signed my warning. Perhaps you missed it. As a [[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Jayron32&site=en.wikipedia.org newbie]] myself it is always nice to have someone like you to help me learn the ropes. Thanks and happy editing! --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]]|[[User talk:Jayron32|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|contribs]] 02:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank You Very Much ==

Gwernol, thanks for your prompt catch and reversion on my "tit torture" page. I have no idea what the guy removed, and it's nice to know I don't have to worry about it. That was my first article. I'm quite proud of it. Your prompt, professional response inspires me to want to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks again. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 02:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== RfA commentary ==

Please check the context of your [[WP:BITE|bite example]]. It may have been slightly overreacting, but it [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Campbell&diff=118457910&oldid=118268424 wasn't] the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bruce_Campbell&diff=108755106&oldid=108542095 first]. — [[User:RevRagnarok|RevRagnarok]] [[User_talk:RevRagnarok |Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/RevRagnarok|Contrib]] 02:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:If I may add my .02, I believe Rev added the 4im tag because the user had been warned twice before about adding nonsense articles to Wikipedia. [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 05:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding RevRagnarok's RfA ==
Could you please elaborate on my bad faith assumption, because if it came across that way it was entirely unintentional. My new edit may be considered a rant, and so be it, but these thigns have become quite frustrating to me. However, in my initial nomination I don't see anything that could be construed as an assumption of bad faith, unless there is a misunderstanding. Thanks for your time :) [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 05:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Gwernol, regarding the bite example you accused Rev of having, it was noted on the user's talk page that he had been warned twice about creating other nonsense articles. Whether or not he vandalized that certain page once or not is moot, he has vandalized Wikipedia as a whole before. Secondly, I relisted Rev because the offending material that got him shot down in the other RfA had been removed, therefore I saw no reason not to give him a second shot. It is true that I believe it was a ridiculous reason to oppose him, however, your assumption that I acted in bad faith is almost assuming bad faith on your part. Hope this clears things up. Take care :) [[User:Kntrabssi|Kntrabssi]] 23:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== E John Routly ==

Dan,

Just cross posted the John Routly mini bio from festwiki to main
As I aint that good on main wiki can you tittvate article as you see fit
Thanks
--Keith 09:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== CampsFM ==

I'm sorry to breach Wikipedia protocol, but since much of Wikipedia seems to be based on observations/opinions that don't necessarily have outside references, I felt that I could add put in my .02.

While I have no problems with my Scientology opinions being deleted, where does it stop?

I'm adding some "Personal Analysis" to the article about "Married... With Children," because it seems relevant to the article, particularly the return of a former executive producer who seemed to turn the show around in its waning years. I have no references for the change in quality, besides the change in executive producers and the observations of myself and my friends and family who were fans of the show.

I apologize in advance if this violates the Neutral POV Policy, but I could point out a number of articles that are not neutral (or factually incorrect) in what they say that have been around a lot longer than any article I've edited. {{unsigned|Campsfm}}

I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask for you to pardon my ignorance on "signing" a statement.

As far as the Married... With Children stuff went, frankly, I'm a bit annoyed that you deleted my additions out of hand. There wasn't much of an opinion involved, and, the personnel names were taken not from IMDB, but from the videotapes that I recorded back in the day. Ron Leavit, Ellen L. Fogle, Arthur Silver, Katherine Green and Michael G. Moye are names who I see on my television set while watching the show, and Seven is a character that I saw and was referrred to in the original article, without any references whatsoever. How am I supposed to "Cite" a private VHS recording?

If you're one of those people who don't want other people to contribute to Wikipedia, or if you don't want me to contribute to Wikipedia specifically, just let me know and I'll stop. {{unsigned|Campsfm}}

* if you want to sign your name and add a date, just put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> on the end of your message and your username will automatically get tagged on. Like this --> [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 16:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== edit war ==

Regarding your warning [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rockpocket&diff=120135271&oldid=120130508 here], please keep in mind that Rockpocket was reverting edits made by a banned user (by self-admission). I'm not familiar with all the relevant policies, but this might change things a bit. ---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|talk]] 02:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
: Yes indeed. The comments I am reverting are from the indef blocked and banned user {{User|Light current}} under the policy [[WP:BAN]]. I'm therefore removing your "warning" as it is neither appropriate nor relevant. Thanks. [[User:Rockpocket|Rockpock]]e[[User_talk:Rockpocket|t]] 04:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== ASL ==

hello, can i ask why you deleted my ASL modification? anyone who knows the game will agree that it is arguably the most detailed wargame ever designed, which the article itself makes clear.
--Jewish-wargamer

:Hi, thanks, got your message. I noticed that nothing else is footnoted in the article, so I assumed that no other additions would need to be footnoted. Most people agree that it is the most complicated and detailed wargame ever designed for commercial use (non-professional wargame) so I would suggest that noting that actually is encyclopedic. Ill see if I can find a source though. [[User:Jewish-wargamer|Jewish-wargamer]] 13:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==Arpacktu==

hey i dont feel my deletion of the article came with sufficient warning. im just trying to write my first real proper article and u delete it and i got angry. not my fault ur busy ruing peoples articles (every complaint iver ead on this discussion page seems to have an excsue justifying their articles existence and i think i should probably get one aswell). so yeah can i make my article and keep it there long enough for it to be improved? because i dont have too much spare time in one sitting so ur ruing any chance i have at makign this thing. i jsut want to get the word out about this rare cryptid.

[[User:Exodustheory|exodustheory]]Exodustheory
* Why not create the article in your own userspace/sandbox then try to mainspace it only if and when it's good enough? (And when it's got proper cites, etc!!) - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 11:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== hi ==

hi Gwernol,
The Golan heights are part of Syria according to UNO, then , can you explain to me, why do not you include the area into Syrian area??
I am waiting for your answer---[[User:83.156.243.238|83.156.243.238]] 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== thanks ==

thank you for your quick response. I have invited discussion on the talk page of Syria.I could not find any previous discussion on it. Does Israeli area include the areas occupied in 1967? (they are not recognized as Israeli land by the UNO)I ask this just for information? I also find that disputed area of Kashmir in not included in Pakistan although it is under Pakistani control. Is'nt this discrimination?--[[User:83.156.243.238|83.156.243.238]] 15:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet account of shadow2598 ==

You don't remember banning shadow2598,well you did.And doing so you stopped me from editing stuff when I did nothing wrong.I'm not mad but I don't think it's fair to ban me when I did nothing wrong. [[User:Dark flame2598|Dark flame2598]] 02:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Achristl==
is vandalising despite warnings. please help. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] 02:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== User talk:86.152.83.236 ==

Thanks for the quick work there. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 13:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Welcome back! ==

Such a pleasure to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gwernol&curid=1883862&diff=120731546&oldid=120729855 see] you back! I'll still only be sporadic here for the next while, though I have had a fun day on it today. Happy editing! --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 13:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet account of shadow2598 ==

Well you might not have banned me but someone did.Oh ya,I at least have 10 puppets as you call them.And
my puppet numbers are still growing.Now I know it's not bad to have sock puppets.So I'll have as many as I want. shadow2598,Dark flame2598,Dark knight2598,flaming sun2598And many more [[User:Shadow2598|Shadow2598]] 15:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== User page vandalism ==
Hi Gwernol. I appreciate your vigilance about vandalism to my user page (though personally I don't mind if anonymous strays pee on it). But will you take a look at the protected box? The wording makes it look like I'm the vandal. Thanks again.--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 19:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Gwernol! (Don't be embarrassed – who cares.)--[[User:G-Dett|G-Dett]] 19:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

==Links==
Exactly! "Tedesco" is not "German", because it is not comprised of the letters G-E-R-M-A-N, per [[WP:MOS]] and the edit history of [[German]] -- [[User:R9tgokunks|Hrödberäht]] ([[User talk:R9tgokunks|gespräch]]) 21:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yet more from [[User:Shadow2598]] ==

About 2 weeks ago someone banned me then took the ban off.And now I can do this.But how do you know if it is my sock puppet,I only mentioned a few of them to you.You just can't go banning people on
hunches.And the ones I showed you except 1 were about shadows.I will start getting creative on names and stop using 2598 after them. [[User:Shadow2598|Shadow2598]] 21:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Public Service has Backfired ==

Gwernol, when I wrote the Wiki article on "Tit Torture" back on March 3. 2007, I did so because I wanted to do something for the public interest without any recompense. Unfortunately, I am in the process of learning I may have slit my own throat by doing so. You see, my website is a for-profit site with adult themes based on the same topic. When the Wiki article was spidered by Google and added as the #1 link for a particular set of important keyphrases, my site dissapeared for those same phrases. Research since then is indicating it is either the Wiki article itself, or the links to articles in my site from that article, that may have cause my site's demise. In short, I may be paying for my generosity with my livelihood.

I'm still looking into it, but if that turns out to be the case, and it's simply links, I'll just remove those. If it's the article itself, however, can it be removed, if not, would you gig me for changing it significantly? Honestly, I'd rather not be airing my laundry here, but it's the only way I could contact you. Thanks. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 00:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE LEAVE THE STEPHEN COLBERT PAGE THAT WAY FOR THE NIGHT. IT IS ALL FOR FUN AND FOR THE SHOW> IT IS NOT VANDALISM OR WITH ANY ILL-WILL. IT IS STRICTLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE COLBERT REPORT TV SHOW AND WILL BE CHANGED AS SOON AS THE PAGE IS USED FOR COMEDIC PURPOSES FOR THE SHOW. PLEASE! tela42499

== Follow-up on Public Service... ==

Gwernol, thanks for the very quick reply. I tend to have problems with the concept that this article is the cause of my problems, but I have a couple of search engine experts looking closely at it. I would have thought the "nofollow" command would be important, but it's being looked at. The problems also coincide with a major Google algorithm change, which was all our first thoughts, but we've been unable to find anything there.

I'm hoping the Wiki thing is just a scare. I'm proud of the article and would much rather not even consider doing anything with it. However, just to make sure I understand -- even though I wrote it, I lost control over it once I published it -- at least any additional control as writer as opposed to any other approved editor? This whole fiasco has me tearing my hair out. [[User:DPMaster|Matt Nicholson]] 00:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that the caps was on. I hate caps and usually don't use them. I usually have the caps lock key disabled, but I just installed Vista and that hasn't been fixed yet, so I did not mean to appear to be shouting. I work for the show and was making these changes for a reason. I was going to change them back as soon as we were through. I am very aware of the seriousness of the Wiki. I am a staff member of expressobeans.com and have been using the Wiki for some time. I do not appreciate the tone that was taken in your second message. I had changed the article the second time before I realized that you had messaged me in the first place. I realize that you probably deal with some frustrating prople on the site, but maybe you should change your tone so it doesn't appear that you are shouting. I am sorry that I upset you so much. but I am not some internet hacking idiot that wants to make your job any more frustrating than it is, and I'm sorry that I did. I don't know if you know this, but Stephen Colbert often tells his audience to change the Wiki for his personal entertainment all the time, which I am sure is a huge headache for you, too. The internet in a community, just like the real world, and we should treat each other as such. tela42499

== username ==

hi - just came across [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gwernol_Spermole this] username which I thought you should know about. cheers![[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] |[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]] 05:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
* I just indefblocked it for [[WP:U]] and vandalism only - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 05:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==RfA==
I also blanked [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jim Douglas]] as well after you removed [[User:Jim Douglas]] from RfA. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 23:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

I left for a sec to get something to eat and my sister started doing random vandalization. [[User:Doody 09|Doody 09]] 05:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Well done ==
But i've been [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%C3%B6rse&action=history vigilant too]. Cheers, [[User:RCS|RCS]] 07:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you... ==

...for your help with user Brf00. He's apparently got an axe to grind about the subject of flag-burning. He also seems to lack a sense of humour. The "you gone" line is taken from a baseball announcer who's in the habit of saying "''He'' gone!" when an opposing batter strikes out. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 13:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Fatima Whitbread ==

Sorry, I know I should've made a reference regarding the information I added (which is completely true, if you thought otherwise), but how on Earth is it 'controversial biographical information concerning living persons'? That's baffling!

[[User:81.110.77.105|81.110.77.105]]

== [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Natl1 (2nd nom)|Natl1's RFA Question]] ==

I have answered your question on [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Natl1 (2nd nom)|my RFA]]. Feel free to ask any follow-up question.--[[User:Natl1|Natl1]] ([[User_Talk:Natl1|Talk Page]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Natl1|Contribs]]) 17:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== I warned him ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AR9tgokunks&diff=121221727&oldid=121214346]. [[User:RCS|RCS]] 17:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Cheers Gwernol ==

For your RFAr statement. – [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 18:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[white]] ==

hello gwernol. i looked over the edit that i made, and i am perplexed. i have no idea how i would have inadvertently vandalized 'white.' i have nothing against white. in fact, i am white. my toothbrush is white, and so is my guinea pig. thanks for catching it and letting me know. :-] [[User:The_undertow|''the_undertow'']] [[User_talk:The_undertow|talk]] 19:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool. we're all good and i'll blame it on windows vista. i blame everything on windows vista. [[User:The_undertow|''the_undertow'']] [[User_talk:The_undertow|talk]] 00:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

=="Inappropriate warnings"==
I had always been told not to delete warnings on my talk page, regardless. Since then, I have always let them stand even if they were not appropriate, unless they were vulgar or insulting. If I was wrong to restore that warning, I apologize. [[User:Rhindle The Red|Rhindle The Red]] 00:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:And I'm apologizing again for putting the previous on the wrong page. I must be tired... [[User:Rhindle The Red|Rhindle The Red]] 01:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
For the talk page reverts. Peace, -- '''[[Special:Contributions/The Hybrid|The]] [[User:The Hybrid|Hyb]][[User Talk:The Hybrid|rid]]''' 03:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== University/School sites ==

Gwernol, I have a question. I am well aware that many anon IP sites are educational establishments, and have not failed to read the yellow template box notifying me of this fact. '''But''', when chasing down vandals from these sites, it has become apparent to me that these sites do not produce '''any''' sensible edits. None. Not any. Nichts. Niemals. Rien. Therefore, given that a block does not prevent any editor from coming to us in read-only mode, why the hesitation about vigorous blocking? Am I missing something?--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 12:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/69.74.82.146|User:69.74.82.146]] and schoolblock ==

I've asked repeatedly for 69.74.82.146 to be permanently schoolblocked, but although the template is on the user talk page [[User_talk:69.74.82.146]], students are still successfully making anonymous edits.

Please, make the schoolblock actually work, and ''leave it on''. (This is on your talk page, since you were the last admin to "renew" the schoolblock.)
Thanks,
[[User:69.74.82.146|69.74.82.146]] 20:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another sock ==

First, thanks for the help in dealing with the disruptive editing from {{vandal|Toa Mario}}. In case you didn't see it, he appears to have tried the same tactics with {{vandal|Hoov edd}}. I've blocked that account, reverted the changes and added the templates. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] [[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]] 20:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Block of 69.114.148.28==
{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Barnstar_of_Reversion2.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for blocking [[User:69.114.148.28]]. This user has vandalized my user page twice and talk page once and the vandalism that [[User:69.114.148.28]] did was very likely personal attacks that hurt my feelings. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 21:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
|}
==Deal Or No DealEdit==

Sorry :( my mistake, i didn't realise you reverted it, i thought that you were vandalising it!
Sorry [[User:Thenthornthing|Thenthornthing]] 11:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Formerly/formally ==

You're quite right - I haven't got my brain in gear today ;-)  – [[User:Tivedshambo|Tivedshambo]] [[User talk:Tivedshambo|(talk)]] 11:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Vandalism==

At the page [[Jennifer Lynn]] there have been several changes which I think are vandalism by a particular user. There was a AfD put in by 86.2.99.78 and the page was redirected by user Alomiakoda. I am a representative for the actress and have reason to belive that Alomiakoda uses the IP address 86.2.99.78 and that the username relates to a person who has a personal vendetta against the actress. I was wondering if there was any action that could be taken to prevent this in future and to warn the user of their misconduct. [[User:82.34.254.89|82.34.254.89]] 13:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== I.P x 2 = possible vandal?==

Hello, i have heard that you can track down I.P adresses and i just wondered if [[User:soopahoops77]] and [[User:Relentless1234567]] share thre same I.P adress. Is it 'legal' on wikipedia to have 2 accounts? Sorry, thankyou, kind regards, [[User:Zesty Prospect|Zesty Prospect]] 15:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== User:Matrix17 editing anonymously ==

Hi. Remember {{user|Matrix17}}? He's back editing from his IP address, anonymously - {{user|90.225.121.21}}. Is there a page like AIV or SUSPSOCK where this can be reported, or is it enough to contact an admin, like I'm doing now? --[[User:Strangnet|Strangnet]] (''[[User talk:Strangnet|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Strangnet|c]]'') 16:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Gwernol, I didn't see your reply on Strangnet's talk, and went ahead and blocked for a week. Matrix17 appeared to be the only one on that IP at least as far back as the 31st March, so I don't think there'll be too much collateral damage. Feel free to alter the block if necessary. – [[User:Steel359|Steel]] 17:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==hello===

hi, id like to be like u. how do u catch so many people.

== Fairbourne Railway Article ==

Hi there Gwernol

Thanks for sorting out my formatting on the Fairbourne Railway page - I still can't get rid of the commercial operations bit though! - I will try and add some more events into the preservation history - such as the extension to the new barmouth Ferry station in 1976 and hopefully it won't mess the table up again!

Cheers

[[User:Willsmith3|Willsmith3]] 13:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Toa Mario==
I have no idea what this is about, but this guy, you know him as "Toa Mario," asked me on another site (Ask the name of the site if ya don't believe me, but I see no need to name it) to give you this message.
:"This message is froM Toa Mario. I can assure you i made no sockpuppets. my proof? Check this IPs.Anybody can do the same edits as someone and use their same edit summaries. That is way unfair. Check the IPs, thenr econsider the block and give me an apology" [[User:ElectricTurahk|ElectricTurahk]] 19:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

@Message on my page: Why thank you. I don't exactly like him myself. :P I've had run ins with him, even blocked him semi-personally on another wiki site. But, heh, I tried, so he can't keep botherin' me now. [[User:ElectricTurahk|ElectricTurahk]] 19:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

==Schoolblock==
Hi, our attention to [[User talk:205.119.61.26]] coincided, and I was in the process of applying a weeks block just as you added a final warning – if you feel the block is unjustified, feel free to unblock. These schools! .. [[User:Dave souza|dave souza]], [[User talk:Dave souza|talk]] 19:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rail gauges in [[List of Rail Gauges]] ==
Hi, if you look at the earlier versions or the article you'd see that ''parts'' of some fractions would tend to drop to the second line as though the "imperial" column was not wide enough and the "comments" column appears to be too wide. This happened only in [[List of Rail Gauges#Broad gauge railways, by gauge and country]] and on my monitor it appears to be happening again, in all other lists the "imperial" column appears to be wider (why?)
{|class="wikitable"
!Gauge
!imperial
!Country
!Notes
|-
|2140 mm
|7 ft 0{{frac|1|4}}in
|[[United Kingdom]]
|[[Brunel]]'s [[Great Western Railway]] until re-gauged by May 1892, see Great Western Railway [[Great Western Railway#The "gauge war|The "gauge war"]]
|-
|2000 mm
|6 ft 6{{frac|3|4}} in
|[[United Kingdom]]
|[[Cairngorm Mountain Railway]]
|-
|1945 mm
|6 ft 4{{frac|12|21}} in
|[[Netherlands]]
|1839–1864 [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html]
|-
|1880 mm
|6 ft 2 in
|[[United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland|United Kingdom]]
|Ulster Railway, 1839–1846
|-
|1750 mm
|5 ft 8{{frac|9|10}} in
|[[France]]
|on [[Ligne de Sceaux|one line]], 1891 [[:fr:Société nationale des chemins de fer vicinaux SNCV|1750 mm]]
|-
|rowspan="8"|1676 mm
|rowspan="8"|5 ft 6 in
|[[Argentina]]
|Almost all lines [[America Latina Logistica]] [http://www.all-logistica.com.ar], ([[Railroad Development Corporation]], [http://www.rrdc.com/op_argentina_all_central.html ALL Central]) (former San Martín line), [[Nuevo Central Argentino]] (former Mitre line) and [[Ferrosur Roca]] (former Roca line), except Urquiza and Belgrano
|-
|[[Bangladesh]]
|
|-
|[[Canada]]
|[[Grand Trunk Railway]], [[St. Lawrence and Atlantic Railroad]] and the [[Champlain and St. Lawrence Railroad]] until 1873, see also [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]], Specific names, [[Provincial gauge]] [http://collections.ic.gc.ca/cnphoto/english/gt_ang.html The Grand Trunk Railway of Canada]. [[Intercolonial Railway of Canada]] until 1875. See also [[Narrow gauge#Canada|Canada]]
|-
|[[Chile]]
|[[Empresa de los Ferrocarriles del Estado]]
|-
|[[India]]
|
|-
|[[Pakistan]]
|
|-
|[[Sri Lanka]]
|
|-
|[[United States of America]]
|BART - [[Bay Area Rapid Transit]] - San Francisco Bay Area
|-
|1672 mm
|5 ft 5{{frac|7|8}} in
|[[Spain]]
|Original gauge
|-
|rowspan="2"|1668 mm
|rowspan="2"|5 ft 5{{frac|5|6}} in
|[[Portugal]]
|Adjusted from the original 1664 mm
|-
|[[Spain]]
|Adjusted from the original 1672 mm (All RENFE national railways, except High-Speed AVE line Sevilla-Madrid-Barcelona)
|-
|1664 mm
|5 ft 5{{frac|1|2}} in
|[[Portugal]]
|Original gauge
|-
|rowspan="4"|1600 mm
|rowspan="4"|5 ft 3 in
|[[Ireland]]
|Both Republic and North
|-
|[[Brazil]]
|Lines connecting the states of [[Rio de Janeiro (state)|Rio de Janeiro]], [[São Paulo (state)|São Paulo]] and [[Minas Gerais]]; E.F.Carajás in [[Pará]] and [[Maranhão]] states, and Ferronorte in [[Mato Grosso]] and [[Mato Grosso do Sul]] states
|-
|[[Australia]]
|States of [[South Australia]], [[Victoria, Australia|Victoria]], [[New South Wales]] (a few routes entering from Neighbouring Victoria only) and [[Tasmania, Australia]] (one line, [[Deloraine, Tasmania|Deloraine]] to [[Launceston, Tasmania|Launceston]], opened in 1871 and converted to {{3ft6in}} in 1888)
|-
|[[New Zealand]]
|[[Canterbury Provincial Railways]] (All routes gauge converted to {{3ft6in}} by 1876)
|-
|1588 mm
|5 ft 2{{frac|1|2}}in
|[[United States of America]]
|[[Pennsylvania]] Trolley gauge (?), [[Cincinnati]] ([[:nl:Lijst van spoorwijdten]]) and [[New Orleans, Louisiana|New Orleans]] See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]] and [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html Railroad Gauge Width]
|-
|1581 mm
|5 ft 2{{frac|1|4}}in
|[[United States of America]]
|[[Pennsylvania]] Trolley gauge (?) and [[Baltimore]] See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]] and [http://parovoz.com/spravka/gauges-e.html Railroad Gauge Width]
|-
|1575 mm
|5 ft 2 in
|[[Ireland]]
|Dublin and Drogheda Railway, 1844–1846
|-
|rowspan="3"|1524 mm
|rowspan="3"|5 ft
|[[Finland]]
|
|-
|[[USA]]
|The South - prior to and after the Civil War
|-
|[[Panama Canal]]
|prior to conversion to standard gauge in 2000 to suit off-the-shelf supply.
|-
|rowspan="18"|1520 mm
|rowspan="18"|4 ft 
11{{frac|5|6}} in
|[[Armenia]]
|
|-
|[[Azerbaijan]]
|
|-
|[[Belarus]]
|
|-
|[[Estonia]]
|
|-
|[[Georgia (country)|Georgia]]
|
|-
|[[Kazakhstan]]
|
|-
|[[Kyrgyzstan]]
|
|-
|[[Latvia]]
|
|-
|[[Lithuania]]
|
|-
|[[Moldova]]
|
|-
|[[Mongolia]]
|
|-
|[[Poland]]
|almost exclusively on one line, see [[Linia Hutnicza Szerokotorowa]]
|-
|[[Russia]]
|
|-
|[[Slovakia]]
|Only on one line ("Širokorozchodná trať" [[Maťovce]] - [[Haniska pri Košiciach]]) and from the border station of [[Čierna nad Tisou]] to the state border with [[Ukraine]], both operated by [[ZSSK Cargo]].
|-
|[[Tajikistan]]
|
|-
|[[Turkmenistan]]
|
|-
|[[Ukraine]]
|
|-
|[[Uzbekistan]]
|
|-
|1495 mm
|4 ft 10{{frac|7|8}} in
|[[Canada]]
|[[Toronto Transit Commission]] [[Rapid transit|subway]], [[light rail]] and [[streetcar]]s). See [[Broad gauge#Overview|Broad gauge overview]], Toronto subway [[Toronto subway and RT#track gauge|gauge]] and Toronto streetcar [[Toronto streetcar system#track gauge|gauge]]
|-
|1473 mm
|4 ft 10 in
|[[USA]]
|[[Midwestern United States|The Midwest]] - until after the [[American Civil War|Civil War]]
|}

On the list above the problem reappears and the "imparial" column appears to be too narrow. At keast that is how it appears on my monitor. All other lists in this article appear to be A1 OK, the "imperial" column is wider and the "comments" column is narrower (why?).
[[User:Peter Horn|Peter Horn]] 21:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
: Make that "Notes" instead of "comments". The "Country" column also appears to be wider than it appears in the other tables (why?). [[User:Peter Horn|Peter Horn]] 01:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== User page protected ==

Hi! I've fullprotected your user page for a couple of weeks due to the persisting vandalism. I hope you don't mind... —[[User talk:Messedrocker|Signed]], your friendly neighborhood '''[[User:Messedrocker|MessedRocker]]'''. 21:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== User 86.3.250.240 (repeated vandalism) ==

Hi. Came straight here this time having just looked at the talk/contrib pages for {{user |86.3.250.240}}. 'He' was 7-day blocked by yourself a week ago, and is now back causing havoc in the various 'Thomas' pages, for which he was blocked in the first place. I haven't reverted anything yet, as I know you have tools to tackle this task more quickly than I could. Your assistance would be appreciated. Thanks

(BTW -- maybe time for another talk page archive?? :o) )

[[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 22:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you -- [[User:EdJogg|EdJogg]] 23:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== Tell ==

Tell him to stop he has no authorization to do it to my page tell him to request a checkuser. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:KURDBIJISTAN&action=history] {{unsigned|KURDBIJISTAN}}

:Can you urgently block him? He is trolling and is on a vandal spree.. He definitely is a sockpuppet of a banned user. [[User:Baristarim|Baristarim]] 01:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABaristarim%2FTo_do&diff=122106841&oldid=122106441 this] and the deceptive edit summaries [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallipoli_%28disambiguation%29&diff=122109661&oldid=117253473].. [[User:Baristarim|Baristarim]] 01:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Ode to the helpful admin==

:I spend a lot of time patrolling Recent Changes, :Looking for destruction that's been wrought on our pages, :There are more silly people than I could possibly handle, :So thank you blocking [[User:Mikeylovessantiago|this]] annoying vandal. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dweller/Odes"

:Alas! My fears were growing worse,
:That none would reply to my ode in verse,
:All admins work in prose infernal...
:But I should have trusted in you, Gwernol.

Thanks! - [[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 13:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Continued use of two accounts (Legitimate Use of) ==

Let me reinforce my earlier comment that you should not use two separate accounts on Wikipedia. Please stop editing with this account and stick to your Istia account. If you continue to edit from this account I will block it to ensure that no further confusion occurs. Thank you, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 13:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Gwernol, I have two accounts. One for personal use, and one for professional use. This is acceptable Wikipedia policy. If I have to sign up for some kind of special permission, just let me know how. I never saw your "earlier comment" about two accounts, so I'd appreciate knowing where you posted that, for reference's sake.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would focus on the trolling and harassment problems I have posted. Thanks in advance. [[User:Jenniferpowell|Jenniferpowell]] 13:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Here is why I am using two accounts ==

The reason I'm using both accounts on a related page is because two men are attacking contributions made under the professional account because of a dispute they had with my personal account. They made the link, I didn't. If that happens, I'll gladly stop crossing wires. Now could you help me to please get rid of these trolls? This is an international organization website, and they keep flaming it. Also, since I made a report to the administrator incident page under one login, I think it is wise to do it under the same login. Thanks. ´[[User:Jenniferpowell|Jenniferpowell]] 13:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== THOSE LINKS ARE NECESSARY - CAN I PLEASE CALL YOU FROM SWITZERLAND? ==

Gwernol, Please send an email to [email protected]. I can explain to you why those links are very important to understanding the work of this agency. Please stop deleting them. Thanks.

== Istia/Jenniferpowell won't stop ==

She has been through all of this before (see the ANI) but she ain't stopping. She is now vandalizing the text of the 'prod' tag to suit her own interests. I don't think her disruption should be tolerated any further. Today and in the past she has shown herself to be a bad faith editor. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Her latest edits look a lot like [[WP:CANVAS|canvassing]]. --[[User:Strangnet|Strangnet]] (''[[User talk:Strangnet|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Strangnet|c]]'') 14:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I know that 'prod' removal normally means AFD, but somehow I thought an exception would be made since it was the Executive Director removing the tag. But I guess the rules don't actually address that situation. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:44, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:And I am actually more concerned with the user's incredibly poor conduct, but I think IrishGuy will take care of that, as he had to before. Thanks again for help. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 14:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::I posted this at ANI but I think I should follow up here too. She is now advocating meatpuppetry [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIstia&diff=122246594&oldid=122239803]. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 16:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Istia is acting up again. This time she is calling you a 'vandal' as part of her unblock request. Why hasn't she been indef'd yet? Racist attacks, socks, block evasion, COI, vandalism, spamming, more personal attacks, disruptive editing. Wikipedia has tolerated much more from her than most other disruptive users, and yet she fails to repent. [[User:The Behnam|The Behnam]] 23:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Rivers-Manning trade ==
I did not delete content (other than the Chargers box at the bottom which I think is clear evidence that the prior edits before mine *were* biased. If you feel that I shouldn't have CORRECTED information after having put a POV tag, fine. But my edits were not vandalism and while it may have been within your rights as an admin to revert my changes, they were reverted to a far more biased version than the one that I left. I have a feeling that your own biases are perhaps playing into this.
[[User:129.98.125.142|129.98.125.142]] 15:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC) 129.98.125.142

== {{User|165.234.104.4}} ==
Couldn't this be {{User|R9tgokunks}} with his reverting antics again? --[[User:RCS|RCS]] 17:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Gwernol,
I'm sorry I did was u call vandalism. I didn't know. it's my first time on this and i wasn't completely sure of the rules. I'm very glad u corrected me and I hope u aren't mad. i promise i will try to never do wikipedia vandalism again. Sorry. BTW, ur really good at tracking this vandalism stuff, good job!
22:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[[User:Blakmist|Blakmist]] 22:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Alex (Blakmist)

== WP:RFA ==

I'm in the process of answering your question now. [[User:Bushcarrot|Bushcarrot]] ([[User_talk:Bushcarrot|Talk]]·[[User:Bushcarrot/guests|Guestbook]]) 02:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Got another DickLukens puppet ==

[[User:DLMaster]] - already tagged for your convenience. ''[[User:Hersfold|Hersfold]]'' ([[User_Talk:Hersfold|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|work]]) 14:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks for helping on the Zendik Farm page==
I appreciate your skilled re draftings and thanks god for a neutral pov. i learned a lot about how to organize and clean up an article, the reference layout, etc. Thanks again...
[[User:Jyre|Jyre]] 16:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== WP:COI Debate at ISTIA AfD ==

Hi Gwernol,

Regarding the [[WP:COI]] discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/International_Services_Trade_Information_Agency|ISTIA AfD]].
I don't want to discuss WP:COI there, because the discussion got out of control already. I am not so happy anymore that I got myself involved to help out a Wikipedia Newbie who made some of the mistakes for the same wrong reasons I did when I started editing at Wikipedia.

I discussed that with oher editors on user talk pages [[User_talk:Cumbrowski#International_Services_Trade_Information_Agency|here]] and [[User_talk:Fredrick_day#ISTIA_AfD_discussion_comment|here]]. Well I hope something good comes out of it at the end. I was supposed to write something else. Wikipedia is "stealing me time, ahh" hehe (that is humor and okay IMO, because it helps to lighten up a little when people got a bit too tight in a heated debate).

'''Back to WP:COI'''

*Quote: "The reason we don't want people who have a personal stake in a subject editing its article is because they don't have a neutral point of view on that subject."

Nobody has a 100% NPOV to any subject nor to Wikipedia itself or is 100% free of bias towards other People. I am an Affiliate Marketer and Search Marketer (not professionally yet, but that has more to do with legal restrictions imposed on me, because of US visa laws)
I can tell you that I faced a lot of bias and not so NPOV when I was editing numerous articles to the internet marketing subject.
The misconseption what affiliate marketers or marketers do and not do in general is the cause of prejudges towards what my intent could possibly be.

Useing the wide spread prejudges towards car sales men or lawyers as an example. A lot of people believe at least to a tiny bit that both of them are liars and use lies to make a living.
To different extends of course.

People involved with the subject have (or should have) deeper knowledge of the subject than anybody else and most are able to take a step back and look at things from the outside to some extend. This works better if done together with somebody who has no clue about the subject, because it lets the knowledgeable person see things in a different light.

*Quote: "People who are highly involved in a subject tend to have very particular views of it "

Good, which should in articles where it is necessary to reflect different views, become part of the article

*Quote: "and tend to have [[WP:V|unverifiable]] inside information that they want to put into articles. "

[[WP:NOT]], [[WP:N]], [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:MOS]] cover that perfectly and if an article follows them, then must guides such as [[WP:CITE]], [[WP:EL]], [[WP:V]] and a lot of others have been followed as well.

It does not matter what the subject of an article is, but any article that was written by only one editor must be scrutinized. It is almost impossible to have one person that is able to write a perfect article that does not violate any guideline.

That were other editors come into the discussion. Other experts may be, but more importantly non-experts with little knowledge of the subject but enough interest to learn about it and without a strong bias towards it.
Although I edited a large portion of the affiliate marketing article, did the article not happen overnight to become what it is today. It will continue to evolve.

Some fix grammar, some argue about the source and demand that claims that are made are being backed by verifiable sources. I still believe that too few editors scrutinized the article to ensure that all guidelines are followed properly.
Everybody that contributes helps to make the article better by bringing another POV to the table and might sees a [[WP:MOS]] or [[WP:NOT]] issue that others have not seen because of their each of their own bias.

*Quote: "The core principle of an encyclopedia is we summarize information about a subject that has been published independently of the subject."

Which goes beyond being just a Dictionary. It provides information that should reflect tons of points of view to become neutral.
I believe that if you get all the different sources to provide content, pros and cons and whatnot and then have each editor look the other over the shoulder to keep it as short and on the subject as possible, clean up the language and remove everything that can't be verified at all, that you will get yourself a very good Encyclopediac article.

Tendencies and even sometimes "speculations" should be part of an article, but even there should be provided a reference who is speculating and what are the tendecies that are mentioned based on.

The subjects of ancient history are for a large part "speculations". Only because a lot of people say that something is supposed to be a certain way, does it not make it true. It is only the current and most accepted oppinion by people that don't know all the facts either, but more than the average person. Subjects that are about something new or very progressive don't have much mainstream sources to back them up, because the masses are not aware of it yet.

Subjects like [[Search engine optimization|SEO]] and [[Affiliate marketing]] are over 12 years old. Affiliate marketing as we know it today started in 1994 for example. SEO dates back to the first crawler based search engine called "[[World Wide Web Wanderer]]" in 1993. It was not called SEO back then. It was called a lot of different things actually.

The subjects remained uncovered in the big press for years, even after it grew to a large industry. Same with affiliate marketing. Google's introduction of Google Pay per action shows how many people have no idea that affiliate marketing exists and how old it is. What new Google thing? Oh, the thing that [[The Wall Street Journal]] wrote about, okay, now it is official (I am exaggerating here).

To cover subjects like that as early as possible should be in the interest of an encyclopedia. You rely on insider to get information about it. The sources to back them up are also rooted in what the subject is about, but that does not make them unreliable sources. I don't want to go into the subject of reliable sources, but that is what it boils down to at the end.

[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] and [[Wikipedia:No_original_research#Reputable_publications]] are actually pretty good at explaining the problem. Wikipedia has no mechanism to verify and rate sources. Who is behind the source? Where does the information come from? How was it gathered? What are the goals and interest of the source? etc.

'''Wrap up:''' The good thing with somebody that can be identified as meeting the definitions of [[WP:COI]] that other editors will know what to look for in particular when they review content that was provided by the editor in question.

It will be easy to fix if necessary. The flaws can be made transparent to the editor without beating around the bush, which includes questionable content that was added with the right intention, but fails to meet important criteria. Things like "[[WP:V|unverifiable]] inside information".

People that openly disclose their relationship to the subject of an article are at least honest, what you have to give them credit for and if they are responding to issues that are related to content they provided even better.

If they can bring verifiable sources (what they usually are better at than anybody else), perfect. I see no problem with those editors at all. They are like "eye witness" of historic events. They provide a lot of detailed material, but this material must be taken with a grain of salt.

Does that make sense to you? Let me know what you think. Thanks. --[[User:Cumbrowski|'''roy''']]<sac> [[User talk:Cumbrowski|Talk!]] .oOo. 16:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

==Olz 06 RfA==
Oh sorry I didn't realise that was kinda needed for RfA. Maybe I'll try in 6 months time.
Many thanks. {{signed|olz06}}

==RfA questions==
I've answered the questions you left on my RfA. [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 13:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for your support. In terms of my general support for RfA candidates, I take your point that they need to have enough experience to know what to do with the admin tools, and I would certainly never support an RfA candidate with a two-digit editcount, for example. (In such a case, I would most likely not vote, knowing that the RfA would be snowed under with opposes anyway.) So I don't disagree with you. [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 16:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::On reflection, I take your point about that as well. I wasn't hugely impressed with that candidate's policy knowledge, hence why I wrote "Adminship is no big deal" rather than "This is a good candidate". However, my decision to support anyway was based more on the fact that it was Smcafirst's second RfA, and he had improved exponentially since the last one. His nomination statement also indicated that he'd made a huge amount of effort on Wikipedia in the last couple of months. So I thought he deserved the benefit of the doubt, especially given his substantial editcount. I do understand that adminship isn't a trophy to be awarded for exceptional effort, but I also think that users' feelings should be taken into account, as well as the amount of effort they make preparing for an RfA. I admit that the above isn't a viewpoint firmly grounded in policy, and I know many users wouldn't agree with it (hence why I never, ever intend to run for bureaucratship, as no one would ever trust me to close an RfA). [[User:Walton_monarchist89|'''Wal''']][[User talk:Walton_monarchist89|'''ton''']] [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]] 16:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== He's so insane ==
{{User|R9tgokunks}} is edit-warring me to keep WRONG INFORMATIONs in an article : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alsace&diff=122799200&oldid=122798909]. This is just crazy !!!! [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:thanks that really is nice that you call me insane...my self-esteem is alot higher now... id just like people to stop harassing me today....... the reversion started due to Tulkolahten saying i added something about the Czech language... but I didn't say '''anything'' about the Czech language .... :| i would like to know WHY am I being personally attacked for something i haven't said? Second, I'm not doing anything wrong at [[Okres]] or [[Kraj]] but {{User|RCS}} and {{User|Tulkolahten}} keep on attacking me personally and reverting... calling me a vandal...but they are the ones removing information.... and at [[Alsace]] where i made the History table, people keep reverting my work... and saying it is VANDALISM?
More personal attack: *
{{quote|"What you deserve is a clone of yourself pestering you as you pester us people from Alsace. [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)"}}
*{{quote|"it is Argentoratum, you bloody fool, now stop putting wrong infos in the article !"}}
*"== He's so insane =="
*"UserR9tgokunks is edit-warring me to keep WRONG INFORMATIONs in an article : [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alsace&diff=122799200&oldid=122798909]. This is just crazy !!!! [[User:RCS|RCS]] 18:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)"
-- [[User:R9tgokunks|Hrödberäht]] ([[User talk:R9tgokunks|gespräch]]) 19:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==Advice==
Thank you for the suggestions on my RfA, even though I don't think the application will go through, I respect your especially kind contribution to discussion and I will be seeking the proposed Editorial review and increasing my stance on all corners on the English Wikipedia. [[User:Brylcreem2|Brylcreem2]] 21:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== alrite old chum? ==

why did you delete the other pictures from the other articles? I think they were appropiate and did not show any bias or anything un-wikipedia-like. So why?

== estate ==

i keep adding valid info and you keep deleting it. I removed the webpage link like you said to follow your directions, but you keep removing it.

== removed my images ==

I own the images you deleted. They are copuwrite, but by ME so I have the right to use them however I want!

== If i remove the subscription part and just put info about it and a photo of it is that ok? ==

If i remove the subscription part and just put info about it and a photo of it is that ok?

==Thanks for reverting vandalism==
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page and blocking the IP that vandalized my page. This is not the first time that this IP vandalized my user page so could you please keep an eye on [[Special:Contributions/141.213.187.30|this IP]]? Hope to hear from you soon. [[User:Han Amos|Amos Han]] [[User_talk:Han Amos|Talk]] 13:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
|}

== Query ==

About your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ben&diff=next&oldid=123074449 edit to my talk page] with the comment ''"Remove legal threat from banned user"'' : Uh, what legal threat? -- [[User:Ben|'''''Ben''''']]&ensp;[[User talk:Ben|'''TALK''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Ben|'''HIST''']] 22:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[User_talk:Davesmith33]] ==

Just wanted to give you a heads up that he's been [[User_talk:Davesmith33#Blanking|blanking his talk page]] of the warnings. You might want to give him another time-out. [[User:Fethers|fethers]] 16:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think he gets it. [[User:Fethers|fethers]] 18:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure he's grateful that you finally protected his talk page. He seems to have been wanting this to be done for a while. [[User:TimVickers|TimVickers]] 18:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know that less than 24 hours into the return from his block, Davesmith is making exactly the same edits and resuming the same edit wars. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Better watch out... ==

HE'S TYPING LIKE THIS. HE'S GONNA START BITING HIS MOUSE ANY MINUTE NOW. [[User:HalfShadow|HalfShadow]] 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

=='''I need your help'''==
Dear gwernol:
You have previously helped me with RODOLFO VALENTIN article, but you also have been upset with me about my editing’s, but(“what about the others editing’s on my articles?)..
But, since you fixed the article several other people came and deleted most of the file, always with the same “excuse” ADVERTISEMENT.
I need your help to prevent people from delete chunks of the file that are “no convenience for them”. What I mean with that is because Rodolfo Valentin is a famous hairdresser in New York City and most of the other hairdressers are jealous of his career. I am sure the deletions are mostly coming from these competitors, because in the article are named very important people that are his clientele that most of the other hairdressers would like to have. Also, you have added back “hair infusion” part that previously other administrator linked together in his article (it was in a separate article before). The Hair Infusion is a trademarked hair extensions technique created by Rodolfo Valentin from which ALSO the other Salons are jealous since they cannot do it, and it also has been removed completely from the same person that removed everything else using the name: WALKER42.
I understand that it can be edited, but please help me to keep the file integrity!
Thank you!

==Question about your rollback of my changes==
Hi, you recently rolled back my changes to the payday loan article. I think I understand why, but want to see if you can advise me on whether/how to reference the particular change (I have read the external links guide, but still have a question).

I believe that the offending link was to a page on "cashloanbyphone.com". I was trying to provide a source for information that has long been in the article, and by showing where it came from, indicate that it is provided as an argument in the controversy section of the article - and is by no means unassailable truth. I see that the link violates policy, but the information begs a reference, and it is appropriate to the section to include biased arguments by the industry in question, especially given that this information appears on more than one lenders' site, as I noted explicitly in the text. Please advise.

Note: I also see that this statement I added should have been referenced and could have been phrased better:
"In fact, the payday loan industry's best customers are the people who do not have the ability to pay back their loans."
It is supported by a statistic in section 2 of the article, with reference. I will reference that and phrase it better when I re-add it.

Thanks a bunch. Still learning. No spam intended. [[User:Pladuk|Pladuk]] 00:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

==From Justice all the way==
Gwernol you keep acussing me and treating me of several things. As you noted in my page:

Sofia's Hair 4 Health
Please don't add unsourced assertions to Wikipedia articles. You simply cannot just make the claim that Valentino was the first person to make prosthetic hair without also providing an independent source that readers can use to verify this information. Even if this fact is true and you can source it, what relevance does it have to the Sofia's Hair 4 Health article? Gwernol 20:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final warning: Spam on Hair prosthesis
This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, as you did to Hair prosthesis, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted as well, preventing anyone from linking to them from any site that uses the MediaWiki spam blacklist, which includes all of Wikimedia and Wikipedia. Gwernol 21:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Justice_all_the_way"

What I added was to show the required external sources for make the statement verifiable.
So now I am really confused: if I do it, it is bad, If I don't, then it is removed because I didn't.
In the meantime, people is almost playing like a crazy with my article "Rodolfo Valentin". They have removed a lot of verifiable information. They have removed a picture of Rodolfo with Mrs.Catsimatidis and Ms.Milos ( a picture that I took myself with my camera). previously they also removed another picture of Rodolfo with the princess yasmin aga Khan (rita hayword doughter), also a picture that I took myself!. They removed a big portion of the article showing the names of the people related to Rodolfo, important people that also has an article in wikipedia done by others.
the "hair infusion" part, the latest invention of rodolfo, was also completely removed by WALKER42 (twice already by him, it feels like he has something against my article). Previously the "hair infusion" was an article in its own, then BIKEABLE linked together in Rodolfo Valentin article, NOW it is completely removed from the article. That Rodolfo Valentin is the inventor of the Hair infusion technique is also easily verifiable by visiting the Us trademark website, and search in the trademarks "THE HAIR INFUSION", to see that it shows trademarked by RODOLFO VALENTIN. BUT! if I do that, somebody else, later will came and remove it saying that it is "advertisement".
You also are becoming very rude with me and I think it is not fair.
sincerely,
justice all the way

==GWERNOL I NEED YOUR HELP==

I understand your note in my page. but I also need you answered my other comments noted above.I am noting them here again: A big pieces of Rodolfo Valentin article has been removed without reason. That piece was showing the names of important people related to Rodolfo that also are having an article in WP.( it has been done twice by WALKER42). There also was a picture of Mrs.Catsimatidis and Ms.Milos ( a picture that I took myself with my camera). previously they also removed another picture of Rodolfo with the princess yasmin aga Khan (rita hayword doughter), also a picture that I took myself.
Next: the hair infusion, an invention of Rodolfo Valentin was having an article in its own.
BIKEABLE linked it together to Rodolfo Valentin article. The hair infusion, Rodolfo's invention is very easy verifiable by visiting the US TRADEMARK OFFICE. click on Trademarks, then search trademarks and then typing THE HAIR INFUSION in the search box. It will show that it is RODOLFO VALENTIN trademark. For which reason, the hair infusion part of the article has been completely removed?-
I really don't feel to touch any article anymore, can you please help me to re-establish the Hair infusion part, the picture removed and the chunk of the file containing the people related to Rodolfo?- Thank you
justice all the way [[User:Justice all the way|jorge maria perez]] 23:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Allerton ==

Howdy. I noticed you have been rving vandalism on the high school page. Said vandal has struck again and am unsure of how to put it back to your last version. Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Whiskey in the Jar|Whiskey in the Jar]] 15:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[WP:CSD]] ==

Hi, Gwernol;

When I took this job on nobody told me that I could work 4 hours on this page and not reduce the backlog AT ALL!! OK, I will carry on working. But we have something over 800 active admins; Assuming 3/4 are asleep or at work, where are the other 199???

Just kidding really, but felt the need to kick and scream a bit.--[[User:Anthony.bradbury|Anthony.bradbury]] 17:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
* Oh hey, I hear ya there! I spent three hours in there myself yesterday. As someone remarked on WP:AN yesterday; "All crap, no glory" :) - [[User:Alison|Alison]][[User_talk:Alison|☺]] 18:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
**When you start ad CSd, is when that yellow box pops up every 5 minutes with unsigned comments asking why did you delete my article. (but im sure all of you already know that, lol). [[User:Chrislk02|-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)]] 18:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

==Hi==
Hi, I'd like to ask a question about our old friend Eoganan. He keeps cropping up form time to time, but is more of a pest than anything else. If I suspect that this user also has another account that they don't use for this sort of editing, how can I check this? Is there a way of checking a User account's IP address to see if it is similar to an anonymous IP address? There is a user I suspect of doing this, but I don't want to throw accusations arround. Thanks for any help. [[User:Wobble|Alun]] 18:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: There's a page about improper use of multiple accounts, known on wikipedia as [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|Sock puppetry]]. Read through that, then decide whether to add the user to the list of [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets|suspected sock puppets]]. --[[User:Pladuk|Pladuk]] 19:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks. [[User:Wobble|Alun]] 05:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Jodie_Foster#Jodie_Foster_is_a_lesbian.3F|Jodie Foster]] ==

I noticed that you must have had this article listed as you have been a long time reverter of certain information. :) I wondered if I could ask you to pass by the talk page and offer an opinion on a source? Linkee above is directly there Thanks --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]'' 19:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. --[[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]'' 21:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== hi ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosie_O%27Donnell&diff=123944542&oldid=123942588 and a couple more[[User:Tvoz|Tvoz]] |[[User talk:Tvoz|talk]] 23:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== B1029 ==

I blanked B1029's page for a good reason. He has a sock puppet. [[User talk:B1029|B1029]] and [[User talk:BLhalo|BLhalo]] are accounts from the same person.--[[User:L141414|L141414]] 00:27, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Rick-K Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==

No problem:) You deserve it. Thank yourself for it:)--[[User:Sir james paul|James, La gloria è a dio]] 03:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%28aeropagitica%29&diff=cur Cheers!] ==

Thanks for the revert, just as I was blocking the chap for being a vandal-only account, too! [[User talk:(aeropagitica)|(aeropagitica)]] 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== speedy tag on [[Pierre Joliot]] ==

Could you please look at [[Pierre Joliot]], which is tagged for speedy deletion? The original author tagged it inappropriately as {{tl|db-author}}, which I removed, and then as {{tl|db-notability}}? I don't want to remove a speedy tag from this article again. --[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] 22:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you for the recognition ==

Oops, put this at the top by mistake.
I'd like to thank you as a fellow Welshman for your vote of confidence in me and my work in improving Southern Railway articles. However, I already have an account as "Bulleid Pacific," its just that after being rather controversial on the issue of the locomotive numbering lists, I felt I should lie low and improve other articles incognito, though really it means that I sometimes forget to log in. Its a pleasure to work with you. Rydw i'n hoffi iawn rheilfyrdd mewn Prydain! I think thats correct, as I haven't done Welsh since my GCSEs! Anyway, cheers.--[[User:172.200.252.212|172.200.252.212]] 11:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Bulleid Pacific's alter-ego). As you can see, it is me. Hwyl fawr. --[[User:Bulleid Pacific|Bulleid Pacific]] 11:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== Micropenis ==

With all due respect, I do not appreciate your demeanour in your note about [[micropenis]] on my talk page. I accidentally reverted to the wrong version as the result of a sequence likely similar to the following: 
# Freedomlinux compares ShadowBot to 172.200.184.80 
# Freedomlinux determines that 172.200.184.80 has constructed vandalism. 
# Freedomlinux becomes distracted. 
# Gwernol reverts to ShadowBot. 
# Freedomlinux reverts to previous version (which is now 172.200.184.80 instead of ShadowBot. 
I did not realize that the last revision had changed, and therefore contained vandalism, and neither did you. You made two separate reverts, also not noticing that the edit contained vandalism. 
I kindly request that you be less quick on the trigger and assume good faith about other established users. [[User:Freedomlinux|Freedomlinux]] 01:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

==My RfA==
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Hello {{BASEPAGENAME}}, thank you for supporting [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Walton_monarchist89 2|my RfA!]] I was promoted with a final tally of 68/12/0. Also, please wish a Happy Birthday to [[Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom|Her Majesty the Queen]]. [[WP:BRoy|Vivat Regina!]]
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== myCFO RfA?==
I don't understand why this simple neutral voice article describing a substantial referenced corporation keeps getting wholesale deleted -- with no discussion or talk. This Wikipedia is article entry is describing in a neutral voice describing 'myCFO' as a substantial operating corporation. myCFO, in operations since 1999, now also operating underthe name Harris myCFO. myCFO is discussed in detail in a verifiable external link to a credible authenticated reference source article in the Wall Street Journal, a reliable reference source publication with objective substance and well established edited reference fact checking credibility. I understand it does not start with a capital letter, but this is how this corporation is named since 1999.

Here is the article:

The company myCFO is tax accounting and financial services firm started in 1999 to help wealthy Silicon Valley individuals manage their fortunes. Most of myCFO's assets and operations were sold to Harris Bank in late 2002 and now operates as Harris myCFO providing the same services. myCFO was the subject of a March 2007 Wall Street Journal Investigative Report [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117315071803627877.html?mod=hps_us_pageone]

Ref: March 6th 2007 Wall Street Journal Investigative Report [[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117315071803627877.html?mod=hps_us_pageone]] —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Vwt|Vwt]] ([[User talk:Vwt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vwt|contribs]]) 09:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for fixing the vandalism to my talk page[[User:Vgranucci|Vgranucci]] 00:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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== I can watch my own user page. ==

I would like you to stop watching my user page, thank you. some people got ahold of my password, but that has been taken care of.
[[User:Gijake|Gijake]] 02:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strange edit history ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tay_Zonday This] is confusing me. I was alerted when the editor changed Betacommand's hatred of Internet Explorer to love. How would you classify this editor's contributions?! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] 12:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User:...adam.../stuff

2007-04-24T09:06:55Z

...adam...: added commons homepage

Script/copies of pages I find useful/educational/pretty. If you wrote any of this and are annoyed that I have put it here, I am sorry - just tell me on my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:...adam...&action=edit&section=new Talk Page] or [[special:emailuser/...adam...|e-mail me]] and I'll get rid of it.

My edits:
*[[commons:User:...adam...commons]] - me on commons
*[http://www.math.ucla.edu/~aoleg/wp/rfa/edit_summary.cgi?user=...adam... My edit summaries]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Union_of_Clare_Students&diff=prev&oldid=17273282 My first edit]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:...adam.../Header&diff=prev&oldid=119797023 My five hundredth edit]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=121709957 My thousandth edit]

Userpages:

*ed_g2s - [[User:...adam.../stuff/1|here]]
*Jossi - [[User:...adam.../stuff/2|here]]
*mine (early April 2007 version) [[User:...adam.../stuff/7|here]]
*mine (current to play with) [[User:...adam.../stuff/8|here]]
*Virtual Classroom [[User:The_Transhumanist/Virtual_classroom]]
*userpage I tried to fix but copied to my userpage first [[User:...adam.../stuff/12|page]] and [[User:...adam.../stuff/13|template]]
*[[User:Walton_monarchist89]]

Bits of script:

*icons next to title - [[User:...adam.../stuff/3|here]] and [[User:...adam.../stuff/5|here]]
*link to tree of user subpages - [[User:...adam.../stuff/3|here]]
*"this is a userpage" - [[User:...adam.../stuff/4|here]]
*wikipedia active/inactive notice I like - [[User:...adam.../stuff/6|here]]
*big quotation marks - [[User:...adam.../stuff/9|here]]
*prefix index (use for archive box somehow??) - [[User:...adam.../stuff/10|here]]
*Existential - [[User:...adam.../stuff/11|here]]
*Another edit counter [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=...adam...&dbname=enwiki_p]

User talk:Ed g2s

2007-04-24T07:58:53Z

...adam...: /* Commons */ typo

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

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|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
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<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''The Photographer's Barnstar'''</div>
Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[:Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Commons ==

...adam... on commons is too close to adam apparently - so it wouldn't let me have it. But [[commons:User:Adam]] hasn't edited since August 2005 - fancy deleting it and moving me to [[commons:...adam...]]?

Was it a late one last night then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 07:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

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|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
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<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''The Photographer's Barnstar'''</div>
Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[:Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Commons ==

...adam... on commons is too close to adam appaarently - so it wouldn't let me have it. But [[commons:User:Adam]] hasn't edited since August 2005 - fancy deleting it and moving me?

Was it a late one last night then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 07:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Ed g2s

2007-04-24T07:56:19Z

...adam...: /* Commons */ c -> com

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

{| align=center border=0 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4 style="border: 1px solid #CC9; background-color: #cfc"
|-
|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
[[Image:Barnstar-camera.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''The Photographer's Barnstar'''</div>
Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[:Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Commons ==

...adam... on commons is too close to adam appaarently - so it wouldn't let me have it. But [[com:User:Adam]] hasn't edited since August 2005 - fancy deleting it and moving me?

Was it a late one last night then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 07:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

{| align=center border=0 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4 style="border: 1px solid #CC9; background-color: #cfc"
|-
|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
|}

== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
[[Image:Barnstar-camera.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''The Photographer's Barnstar'''</div>
Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[:Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Commons ==

...adam... on commons is too close to adam appaarently - so it wouldn't let me have it. But [[c:User:Adam]] hasn't edited since August 2005 - fancy deleting it and moving me?

Was it a late one last night then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 07:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T23:17:38Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ adding hull city to used in

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]

[[Image:KC_Stadium.JPG|thumb|200px|A slightly cropped version, with the blown street lamp at the bottom removed.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]] & [[Hull City A.F.C.]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the blown flood light isn't ideal. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Could you forward that e-mail to the permissions queu of [[meta:OTRS]]? I think it's permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] [[User talk:Makemi|(talk)]] 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Done and done. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''': a great picture that really stands out. --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 17:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Blown highlights, doesn't even show that much of the stadium. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 19:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Attractive photograph highlighting one of the most visually impressive stadiums in the UK. The contrast between the stadium's looks, and the unattractive surroundings, impresses me somewhat. [[User:NeilSenna|NeilSenna]] 22:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}
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...adam...: removed football kit - project for another day

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...adam...: adding kit to template

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...adam...: changed to infobox

Talk:Hull City A.F.C.

2007-04-23T19:38:07Z

...adam...: FP

{{Football|class=}}

Im honoured and suprised I am the creator of this page as a die hard Hull City Suporter it gives me great pleasure to welcome you here on the eve of our most succesful season in my life time. I hope to record the forth coming seasons events in detail as they unfold. I intend to date my entries and will next post squad changes and any other details I can for the forth coming season. I intend to keep this entry brief as I hav only just discovered this site!!

==[[Adam Pearson]]==
I know this isn't really to do with this page, but it is fairly relevant, so bear with me! Any ideas why the [[Adam Pearson]] article was deleted yesterday? Managed to find the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Adam_Pearson deletion log], though there isn't any (legit) reason given. Thanks, [[User:TomiG|TomiG]] 18:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:I'll pop by and leave a message on the home page of the person who deleted it [[User:MikesPlant|MikesPlant]] 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
::tis back now, it took him three whole minutes - which aint bad. [[User:MikesPlant|MikesPlant]] 20:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

==2006 - referencing==
The current article states: ''"Chairman Adam Pearson has stated his ambition to take Hull into the top flight for the first time in their history - and he believes Phil Parkinson is the manager to do it."'' Firstly, where's the reference point for the quote? Secondly, with Hull sat at the bottom of the Championship, it would be good to reference this now - Rgds, - [[User:Trident13|Trident13]] 19:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

He's stated this numerous times - I'll add a reference if I can find one. Difficult with radio interviews though! [[User:Beve|Beve]] 11:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Boaz Myhill's nationality ==
Born in the USA to English parents, he grew up in England. So what nationality is he and which flag should go against his name? I think English, as I think he would only play for England - I know he's already turned down the opportunity to play for Wales. Thoughts? [[User:Beve|Beve]] 11:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
:[http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=26476 English] [[User:MikesPlant|MikesPlant]] 17:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

==Notable former players==
I trimmed this list down a bit, for the following reasons:
* I think it should be by nature be quite a brief list - the 'cream'.
* I didn't feel that certain players were hugely notable - either for Hull City or in their own right. My feeling is that the list should comprise players who either are considered 'City legends' or who achieved at the highest level, before or after their City career.
* If the player's Wikipedia entry was only a stub.

Apologies to the editor who put so much work into this. It's always going to be a subjective issue as to who is 'notable' and who isn't. I won't get into any edit wars on this; hopefully any disagreements can be sorted out on the talk page by getting a consensus view. 
There are also quite a few City Legends who don't yet have a Wikipedia entry - for example [[Billy Bly]], [[Ken Wagstaff]], [[Chris Chilton]] and [[Tony Norman]]. 
[[User:Beve|Beve]] 10:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:A lot of the players I added (like [[Clint Marcelle]] for example) were added because they have appeared Internationally for their country, that in itself makes a player notable.

:Others such as [[Peter Barnes (footballer)]] has won [[PFA Young Player of the Year]] (as did [[Steve Moran]]) in his history as well as playing for [[Manchester United]]. [[David Brown (footballer)]] player over a 100 games for Hull City. [[John Downie]] is a notable player because he made over 100 appearences for [[Manchester United]]. [[Sam Weaver]] has been capped by the England national side...

:These things assert the players notability. Of course they may not have been as great at City as elsewhere, but for extample [[Thierry Henry]] is mentioned as a notable former player at [[Juventus]], as is [[David Beckham]] at [[Preston North End]].

:I'd have no problem if the people who were legends at City (who you mentioned) were added alongside these too. - [[User:Deathrocker|Deathrocker]] 16:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

''Hull is the largest city in Europe never to have had a club play in the top division of its national league.''

What about [[Bonn]] / [[Bonner SC]]? [[User:Xmth|Xmth]] 13:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmm. Apparently, there were 16 parallel divisions during the Third Reich and Bonn had two clubs in 'their' regional divison. [[User:Xmth|Xmth]] 13:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Featured Picture ==

Please visit [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] if you are interested in having the picture of the KC Stadium raised to the status of featured picture or if you think that it definitely shouldn't be featured. Thanks, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Hull City A.F.C.

2007-04-23T19:37:38Z

...adam...: /* Rising from the ashes */ adding KC Stadium pic

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fullname = Hull City Association Football Club |
nickname = The Tigers |
founded = [[1904]] |
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capacity = 25,404 |
chairman = {{flagicon|England}} [[Adam Pearson]] |
manager = {{flagicon|England}} [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]]|
league = [[Football League Championship|The Championship]] |
season = [[2005-06 in English football|2005-06]] |
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'''Hull City Association Football Club''' are an [[England|English]] [[football (soccer)|football]] team based at the [[KC Stadium]] ([[Kingston Communications]] Stadium) in [[Kingston upon Hull]], [[East Riding of Yorkshire]]. They play in black and amber stripes, hence their nickname: "The [[Tiger]]s".

The highest position Hull City have ever finished in the English football league is 3rd in the [[Football League Second Division|Old Second Division]], today's equivalent of which is the [[Football League Championship|Championship]] where the club are currently playing. Their best achievement in cup competitions was reaching the semi-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in 1930.

==History==
Hull City A.F.C. were founded on [[28 June]] [[1904]]. For some years prior to this attempts were made to found a [[football (soccer)|football]] club, but in a city dominated initially by [[rugby league]] with the likes of [[Hull FC]] and [[Hull KR]] this proved difficult.

The first season for Hull City consisted of friendly matches; because of the time of founding, City were unable to apply for membership to [[The Football League]] for the 1904-05 season. The early matches were played at [[The Boulevard (Stadium)|The Boulevard]], home of rugby league side Hull FC. On [[1 September]] [[1904]], City's debut match took place against [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]; with 6000 in attendance at the Boulevard, City notched up an impressive start holding the more experienced County to a 2-2 draw.

Hull's first taste of competitive football came in the [[FA Cup]], but they were eliminated, after a replay, in the preliminary round against [[Stockton F.C.|Stockton]], the score was 7-4 on aggregate. After uneasy relationships with landlords, Hull City moved to Anlaby Road Cricket Ground.

===Hull City enter the Football League===
Finally, after playing 44 friendly fixtures the previous season, Hull City were entered into the [[Football League Second Division]] for the [[1905-06 in English football|1905-06 season]]. Other teams competing in the league that season included the likes of [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] and [[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]], as well as [[Yorkshire]] rivals [[Leeds City F.C.|Leeds City]], [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]] and [[Barnsley F.C.|Barnsley]]. Indeed it was Barnsley who they faced in their first game, beating them 4-1. Eventually, Hull would finish fifth.

The following season a new ground was built for Hull City across the road from the cricket ground. Still under the managership of Ambrose Langley, City continued to finish consistently in the top half of the table. They came agonisingly close to promotion in the [[1909-10 in English football|1909-10]] season, recording what would be their highest ever finish in their history (a record still held today); Hull finishing third, level on points with second placed [[Oldham Athletic A.F.C.|Oldham Athletic]], they missed promotion on goal average by the slim margin of 0.29 of a goal.

Before [[World War I]], Hull reached the quarter-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in [[1915]], beating out [[West Bromwich Albion F.C.|West Bromwich Albion]], [[Northampton Town F.C.|Northampton Town]] and [[Southampton F.C.|Southampton]], before eventually going out to [[Bolton Wanderers F.C.|Bolton Wanderers]] in a 4-2 away defeat.

[[Image:Hull City30s.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Hull City squad of [[1936]].]]

===Post-War===
In cup competitions, the club's greatest achievement was in 1930, when they reached the [[FA Cup]] semi-final. The cup run saw Hull knocking out [[Leeds United A.F.C.|Leeds United]] and eventual Champions of the Second and Third Division; [[Blackpool F.C.|Blackpool]] and [[Plymouth Argyle F.C.|Plymouth Argyle]] respectively. They then knocked out [[Manchester City F.C.|Manchester City]], to meet [[Newcastle United F.C.|Newcastle United]] in the FA Cup quarter finals. The first leg at [[St James' Park]] finished as a 1-1 draw, but in the replay Hull beat Newcastle 1-0.

The semi-final match against [[Arsenal F.C.|Arsenal]] took place at Elland Road in [[Leeds]], the game ended 2-2, and was taken to a replay. Arsenal knocked Hull City out at [[Aston Villa F.C.|Aston Villa]]'s home ground, the game ended 1-0.

In 1948-49, managed by former England international [[Raich Carter]], Hull City won the Third Division (North), and their new Boothferry Park ground saw a crowd approaching 50 000 for the Christmas Day game against [[Rotherham United F.C.|Rotherham United]], and exceeding that for the cup tie with [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]]

Yo-yoing between the second and third tiers of English football, Hull City had promotion seasons from the third to the second division again in 1959 and 1966, winning the third division championship in that latter season. Still, however, top flight football eluded the club. In fact, by the early 1980s, Hull City were down in the fourth division, and financial collapse let to receivership.

The low ebb saw the arrival of unlikely looking saviours in the form of a chairman (Don Robinson) and manager (Colin Appleton) from the footballing outpost of Scarborough FC. Promotion to Division Three followed in 1983, with a young team featuring the likes of future England international [[Brian Marwood]], future England manager, [[Steve McClaren]], fearsome centre-forward Billy Whitehurst, and the prolific goal-scorer Les Mutrie. When Hull City missed out on promotion by 1 goal the following season, Appleton left to manage [[Swansea City F.C.|Swansea City]].

Hull City reached the Second Division in 1985 under new player-manager [[Brian Horton]]. They defied the odds to stay there for the next five years before finally going down in 1991, by which time the club's manager was [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]].

===Striving to survive: 1990s===
Hull finished 14th in the Third Division in [[1991-92 in English football|1991-92]], meaning that they would be competing in the new Football League Division Two. In their first season in the rebranded division, Hull narrowly avoided another relegation but the board kept faith in Dolan and over the next two seasons they achieved secure mid table finishes. But terrible form in [[1995-96 in English football|1995-96]] condemned Hull to relegation to Division Three.

Dolan was fired and replaced by [[Mark Hateley]] after Hull failed to get anywhere near the top of Division Three in [[1996-97 in English football|1996-97]]. By this stage, financial problems were taking their toll on the Tigers and it was starting to look as though the club would go out of business before long. And Hull's league form was steadily deteriorating to the point that relegation to the Conference was looking a real possibility - which surely would have meant the death of the club. Hateley departed in November 1998 to be replaced by 34-year-old veteran player [[Warren Joyce]], who steered the club to safety after being anchored to the foot of the table - Hull City fans refer to this season as "The Great Escape". After this feat, Joyce was perhaps unlucky to be replaced in April 2000 by the experienced [[Brian Little]].

Little breathed new life into Hull and managed to get good results out of the players, despite briefly being locked out of [[Boothferry Park]] by the bailiffs and with liquidation looking a real possibility. Hull qualified for the Division Three playoffs in [[2000-01 in English football|2000-01]], and lost in the semi finals. But things could have been much worse - at least the Hull City fans still had a football club to support. A boardroom takeover had eased the club's precarious financial situation and all fears of closure were banished - had the club been relegated to the Conference the previous season, it is extremely unlikely that this takeover would have taken place.

===Rising from the ashes===
[[Image:KC Stadium.JPG|thumb|200px|right|[[Kingston Communications Stadium]].]]
New Chairman [[Adam Pearson]] ploughed funds into the club, allowing Little to rebuild the team with the aim of immediate promotion. Hull occupied the Division Three promotion and playoff places for much of the [[2001-02 in English football|2001-02]] season, but Little was sacked two months before the end of the season and Hull slipped to 11th under his successor [[Jan Mølby]].

Hull began the [[2002-03 in English football|2002-03]] season as most people's favourites for promotion from Division Three, but a terrible start to the season saw relegation look more likely than promotion and Molby was sacked in October as the Tigers languished fifth from bottom in the league.

[[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]] was named as Hull's new manager and in December 2002, just weeks after his appointment, Hull relocated to the impressive new 25,400-seat [[KC Stadium|Kingston Communications Stadium]] after 56 years at [[Boothferry Park]]. After this move, Hull's attendances were some of the best in the division but their results were rarely this impressive and they were unable to finish above 13th place in the final table.

Hull's new stadium was - and still is - one of the most impressive stadiums outside the Premiership<ref>{{cite web | title = Prestigious Award for The KC Stadium | url =
http://www.kcstadium.co.uk/newsstory.asp?id=545 | accessdate = 27 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> and it has helped influence an upturn in Hull's fortunes after a decade of misery. The two seasons which followed the opening of the new stadium were hugely successful. Hull were Division Three runners-up in [[2003-04 in English football|2003-04]] and League One runners-up in [[2004-05 in English football|2004-05]] - back-to-back promotions - which took them into the Championship, the second tier of English football.

[[2005-06 in English football|2005-06]] was hardly the most exciting season in the history of Hull City football club; it was more a season of consolidation after two successive promotions. Hull finished 18th in the final table - a comfortable 10 points clear of relegation and their highest league finish for 16 years.

===Current season===
The successful stint at Hull City saw Peter Taylor's name linked with the [[Charlton Athletic F.C.|Charlton Athletic]] manager's job before it was given to [[Iain Dowie]]. On [[13 June]] [[2006]], Peter Taylor left Hull to take up the job vacated by Dowie at [[Crystal Palace F.C.|Crystal Palace]], a club at which he had enjoyed considerable success as a player. [[Phil Parkinson]] was confirmed as his replacement on [[29 June]] [[2006]], with Hull paying Colchester (with whom Parkinson was still under contract) £400,000 compensation.

Defender [[Leon Cort]] became Hull's first ever million-pound player when he followed Peter Taylor to Crystal Palace for a fee of £1,250,000. Parkinson wasted no time in spending the majority of this money on strengthening the City squad in readiness for the [[2006-07 in English football|2006-07]] season.

Chairman Adam Pearson has stated his ambition to take Hull into the top flight for the first time in their history<ref>{{cite web | title = Hull in print | url = http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/hullinprint/archive/febmar2005/hull_city_stand_up.php | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> - and he believed Phil Parkinson was the manager to do it.<ref>{{cite web | title = thepfa.co.uk | url = http://www.thepfa.co.uk/display.cfm?article=8723&type=1 | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> However, their dismal start to the 2006-07 season was hardly the form of a team attempting to gain promotion, and on [[4 December]] [[2006]] Parkinson was sacked as manager with Hull in the relegation zone, despite having spent over £2 million on players. Parkinson had achieved two notable firsts, under his management Hull City won for the first time ever on live television and also won a penalty shoot-out for the first time.

[[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] was appointed as caretaker manager, and by [[4 January]] [[2007]] Hull had moved out of the relegation zone and Brown was rewarded with a contract as their new manager until at least the end of the season. They finished March outside the bottom three in 18th place.

The season is drawing to an entralling climax, with Hull City grabbing a deserved but very late equaliser against Stoke City on Saturday 21st April, giving them a 1 point advantage over L**ds United with both teams having two games left to play.

==Personnel==
===Management and Coaching staff===
* [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] - Manager
* [[Colin Murphy (footballer)|Colin Murphy]] - Assistant Manager
* [[Steve Parkin]] - First Team Coach
* [[Mark Prudhoe]] - Goalkeeping Coach
* [[Sean Rush]] - Fitness Coordinator
* [[Billy Russell]] - Centre of Excellence Manager
* [[Neil Mann]] - Head of Youth Recruitment
* [[Simon Maltby]] - Head Physiotherapist
* [[Liam McGarry]] - Assistant Physiotherapist
* [[Barry Lowe]] - Kit Manager

===Current squad===
''As of [[12 April]] [[2007]]:''

{{football squad start}}

{{fs player| no= 1 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Boaz Myhill]]}}
{{fs player| no= 2 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Nathan Doyle]]}}
{{fs player| no= 3 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Andy Dawson]]}}
{{fs player| no= 4 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ian Ashbee]]}}
{{fs player| no= 5 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Danny Coles]]}}
{{fs player| no= 6 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Turner (footballer)|Michael Turner]]}}
{{fs player| no= 7 | nat=Northern Ireland | pos=MF | name=[[Stuart Elliott]]}}
{{fs player| no= 8 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Nick Barmby]]}}
{{fs player| no= 9 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Forster]]}}
{{fs player| no=10 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Stephen McPhee]]}}
{{fs player| no=11 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Jon Parkin]]}}
{{fs player| no=12 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Matt Duke]]}}
{{fs player| no=14 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ray Parlour]]}}
{{fs player| no=16 | nat=Ireland | pos=DF | name=[[Damien Delaney]]}}
{{football squad mid}}
{{fs player| no=17 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Michael Bridges]]}}
{{fs player| no=19 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[John Welsh (footballer)|John Welsh]]}}
{{fs player| no=20 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Dean Windass]]|other=on loan from [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]]}}
{{fs player| no=21 | nat=Wales | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Ricketts]]}}
{{fs player| no=22 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Dean Marney (footballer)|Dean Marney]]}}
{{fs player| no=23 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Collins]]}}
{{fs player| no=24 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[David Livermore]]}}
{{fs player| no=27 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Lee Peltier]]|other=on loan from [[Liverpool F.C.|Liverpool]]}}
{{fs player| no=28 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Russell Fry]]}}
{{fs player| no=29 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ryan France]]}}
{{fs player| no=33 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Matt Plummer]]}}
{{fs player| no=34 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Featherstone]]}}
{{fs player| no=36 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Curtis Aspden]]}}
{{fs player| no=37 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ben Wilkinson]]}}
{{football squad end}}

====Out on loan====
{{Fs start}}
{{fs player| no=15 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Darryl Duffy]]|other=on loan to [[Swansea City A.F.C.|Swansea City]]}}
{{fs player| no=30 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Scott Wiseman]]|other=on loan to [[Darlington F.C.|Darlington]]}}
{{fs player| no=35 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Byron (footballer)|Michael Byron]]|other=on loan to [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]}}
{{fs player|no=38|nat=England|pos=DF|name=[[Tom Matthews]]|other=on loan to [[Halifax Town A.F.C.|Halifax Town]]}}
{{Fs end}}

==Managerial history==
{{col-begin-small}}
{{col-2}}
*1904 [[James Ramster]]
*1905 [[Ambrose Langley]]
*1913 [[Harry Chapman]]
*1914 [[Fred Stringer]]
*1916 [[David Menzies]]
*1921 [[Percy Lewis]]
*1923 [[Bill McCracken]]
*1931 [[Haydn Green]]
*1934 [[John Hill]]
*1936 [[David Menzies]]
*1936 [[Ernest Blackburn]]
*1946 [[Frank Buckley (footballer)|Frank Buckley]]
*1948 [[Raich Carter]]
*1952 [[Bob Jackson]]
*1955 [[Bob Brocklebank]]
*1961 [[Cliff Britton]]
*1970 [[Terry Neill]]
*1974 [[John Kaye (football manager)|John Kaye]]
*1977 [[Bobby Collins]]
{{col-2}}
*1978 [[Ken Houghton]]
*1979 [[Mike Smith (football manager)|Mike Smith]]
*1982 [[Bobby Brown (football)|Bobby Brown]]
*1982 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1984 [[Brian Horton]]
*1988 [[Eddie Gray (footballer)|Eddie Gray]]
*1989 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1989 [[Stan Ternent]]
*1991 [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]]
*1997 [[Mark Hateley]]
*1998 [[Warren Joyce]]
*2000 [[Billy Russell]]
*2000 [[Brian Little (footballer)|Brian Little]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Jan Mølby]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]]
*2006 [[Phil Parkinson]]
*2006 [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]]
{{col-end}}

==Notable former players==
{{col-begin-small}}
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Ablett (footballer)|Gary Ablett]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ernie Blenkinsop]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Billy Bremner]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Tommy Browell]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Roy Carroll]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Raich Carter]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Keith Edwards]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Paddy Fagan]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Alan Fettis]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Neil Franklin]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Ian Goodison]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Mark Hateley]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Emlyn Hughes]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Richard Jobson (footballer)|Richard Jobson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Warren Joyce]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Wilf Mannion]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Brian Marwood]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Steve McClaren]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Danny Mills]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stan Mortensen]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[John Neal (footballer)|John Neal]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Patrick O'Connell (1887-1959)|Patrick O'Connell]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Garry Parker]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Andy Payton]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stuart Pearson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Don Revie]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[David Rocastle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Roy Saunders]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ronnie Starling]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Swann]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Jack Taylor (footballer)|Jack Taylor]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Billy Whitehurst]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Theodore Whitmore]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Justin Whittle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Dean Windass]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Dave Wright (footballer)|Dave Wright]]
{{col-3}}
{{col-end}}
''See Also: [[:Category:Hull City A.F.C. players]]''
===Women===
[[Hull City Women A.F.C.]]

==Honours==
'''[[FA Cup]]'''
*'''Semi-finalists''': 1929-30
'''[[Football League One]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 2004-05
'''[[Football League Division Three]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1965-66
*'''Runners-up''': 2003-04
*'''Promoted''': 1984-85
'''[[Football League Third Division North]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1932-33, 1948-49
*'''Runners-up''': 1958-59
'''[[Football League Division Four]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 1982-83

==Trivia==

* Current [[England national football team|England]] manager [[Steve McClaren]] played for Hull City from 1979–1985.
* Hull is the largest city in [[Europe]] never to have had a club play in the top division of its national league.
* Hull City is the only football club in the country spelled entirely of letters you cannot colour in.
* Hull City's mascot is Roary the Tiger.
* On [[August 1]], [[1970]] Hull were the first team in the world to go out of a cup competition on penalties. It was against Manchester United in the semi-final of the [[Watney Cup|Watney Mann Invitation Cup]].{{Fact|date=April 2007}}
* Hull City were the first team to win at [[Coventry City]]'s [[Ricoh Arena]], winning 2-0 on the [[24 September]] [[2005]].<ref>[http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=465695 SoccerBase.com]</ref>

==Kit Sponsors==
*1983-84: Hygena

*1984-86: [[Arrow Air]]

*1986-87: Mansfield Beers

*1987-88: Twydale

*1988-89: Riding Bitter

*1989-90: Humberside

*1990-93: [[Bonus]]

*1993-94: Pepis

*1994-95: Needlers

*1995-97: [[IBC]]

*1997-99: [[University of Hull]]

*1999-01: [[IBC]]

*2001-02: Sportscard

*2002-07: [[Bonus]]

*2007-09: [[Kingston Communications]] / [[Karoo ISP|Karoo]]

*2009-??:

== See also ==
* [[Amber Nectar]], fanzine
* ''[[City Psychos: From the Monte Carlo Mob to the Silver Cod Squad|City Psychos]]'', book
* [[City Magazine]], the club's offcial monthly magazine

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.hullcityafc.net Official club site]
*{{BBC Football Info|BBClinkname=h/hull_city}}
*[http://www.ambernectar.org Amber Nectar (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hullcityonline.com/ Hull City Online (Unofficial)]
*[http://hullcity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=959 CityIndependent (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.citytillidie.org.uk/ City Till I Die (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hull.vitalfootball.co.uk/index.asp Vital Football Hull City (Unofficial)]
*[http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/hullcitylincssupporters/ The Hull City Fan Base (Unofficial)]

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Talk:Kingston upon Hull/Archive 1

2007-04-23T19:30:41Z

...adam...: FP

I also removed the section on the Crap Towns, which somebody has restored. I don't think is particularly relevant, there are many books on Hull and that is hardly the most authoritive.
: - I disagree. This book is one of the most famous contempory references to Hull and forms the opinion of a large proportion of th UK that Hull is a post-war nightmare of concrete, unemployment, norrow minded volence and insular attitude. Whilst the old town and outlying villages may not like this a large proportion of Hull actually is - one of the reasons most educated people leave, never to return from university. [[User:199.4.27.1|199.4.27.1]] 12:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

::I have restored the crap towns mention. whilst i do not necessariy agree with the comments above it is a notable book with its own listing on Wikipedia, and a notable fact about the city.[[User:GazMan7|GazMan7]] 14:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone care to tell the story of the illustrious De La Pole family? They rank as being worthy of at least some mention. [[User:Sugarfish|sugarfish]] 03:05 19 Jul 2003 (UTC) Especially as 'Dela' is used heavily to mean spaztic because of De La Pole hospital near willerby (now nursing accomodation) being used as a mental hospital for many years [[User:199.4.27.1|199.4.27.1]] 12:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

That not something I'm familiar with, though I intend to elaborate on the history and historical figures, and business and industry, including:

- Reckitts & Colemans,
- Smith and Nephew,

==[[Peter Porter (poet)|Peter Porter]]==
I took out this text
: - so many construe his comment to mean that there were many poets living in Hull. Although it could also mean that the town is viewed as so appalling by some that it's misery is poetic.
and will try and find a Porter's quotation and see whether it '''is''' ambiguous or if this is just speculation
[[User:Paul Tracy|[[User:Paul Tracy|Paul Tracy]]/[[User_talk:Paul Tracy|talk]]]]

== Excternal links ==

Whats with the deletion of the external links? Is that accidental? Should they be reinstated?

Seems to be deliberate by one one individual. I'll try and keep the pubs and fish trail links going - swldxer.

==The case against Hull section==

:I have taken the following out of the article as I dont think it is terribly encyclopedic, especially not with this title. [[User:G-Man|G-Man]] 20:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Hull has the dubious claim to fame of having only 28.9% achieving 5+ [[General Certificate of Secondary Education|GCSE]] grades A to C (the lowest in the country). This is partly due to the fact that the city boundary does not include many of the town's wealthier suburbs, which are in the [[East Riding of Yorkshire]] instead.

* Something factual about low educational standards, high levels of crime and social disadvantage are justified providing superlatives like 'dubious claim to fame' are avoided. [[User:Martin Spamer| Martin Spamer]]

The city was also awarded first place in [[The Idler]] Book of [[Crap Towns]], published
in 2003, and was named the worst place to live in [[Channel 4]]'s ''[[Best and Worst Places to Live in the UK]]'', broadcast in August 2005. Rupert Murdoch's ''[[News of the World]]'' has termed it "hell on earth", however Australian author [[Peter Porter (poet)|Peter Porter]] has described it as "the most poetic city in the United Kingdom".

*I strongly object to this being left out of the article. I feel that it is encyclopedic. The case against Hull is not a good title. I would rather have named it "Reputation" or something similar. I did not write the original section, however, Hull is widely known in Britain to be one of the worst cities there. It is widely mocked in popular culture too for being such a drab place to live. Hull has the worst GCSE results in the whole of Britain, this should be noted down in the article, and is one of the reasons it was ranked so lowly in the Channel 4 documentary. The first edition of [[Crap Towns]] also ranks Hull number 1, although in the 2nd edition it dropped to 19th (I think). There was an [[Only Fools and Horses]] episode named To Hull and Back, and when [[David Brent]] tries to explain his love for travelling, he says "Well, Hull didn't travel to me, did it?". Feel free to comment, but I will probably reinclude the above paragraph, or something to similar effect later. - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnchen]] 00:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

** It should be noted that The Idler's book of [[Crap Towns]], ''[[Best and Worst Places to Live in the UK]]'', [[Only Fools and Horses]] and [[The Office]] are not exactly scientific surveys. Furthermore, due to the local government stucturing within the city, statistics for the schools in West Hull have their GCSE results included in the results for the East Riding. The west of Hull is generally more prosperous and crime-free, and schools there perform better. I can think of no other city which suffers from this handicap.

***If they're not within the Hull boundaries, they're not in Hull. It'd be like including the results from Stockport in Manchester. [[User:Epa101|Epa101]] 20:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
:You say that "Hull is widely known in Britain to be one of the worst cities there". This is news to me - do you have a source or is it just your POV? [[User:Paul Tracy|Paul Tracy]]|\[[User_talk:Paul Tracy|talk]]

***That's true, yes. However, in popular culture, Hull is seen as one of the worst places in Britain, and has been mocked in the various publications and productions. [[Best and Worst Places to Live in the UK]], whilst not a scientific study, did take lots of numeric factors into account, like crime rate, education, employment etc. The show also mentioned that Hull is the fattest city in Britain which has not been mentioned here before, [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3521551.stm]. Hull does have a bad reputation, however, one should balance the above paragraph with the regeneration projects happening in Hull. New developments like the [[KC Stadium]], [[The Deep]] and numerous new housing projects aim to lift Hull's image. However, other schemes like the demolition of 2 failing schools, rebuilt as [[Endeavour High]] have so far failed, the new school having similar or worse results than the schools before it. [http://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=136265&command=displayContent&sourceNode=136248&contentPK=11904828&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch]. I'm not sure about other city's boundaries, but to me, I think that small city boundaries have been a scapegoat for failing Hull schools, looking elsewhere for the problem, instead of itself. It has however, led to a brain drain away from Hull and into the surrounding areas with schools in East Riding being oversubscribed. [http://www.thisishull.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=136265&command=displayContent&sourceNode=136248&contentPK=12819227&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch] - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnchen]] 15:03, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

****Facts are always useful in an encyclopædia. But your assertions that "Hull is seen as one of the worst places in Britain", "Hull does have a bad reputation" etc are subjective and smack of prejudice. By the yardstick you employ, Liverpool could be described as "widely known to be full of shell-suited shoplifters" and London as "the suicide bombing capital of Europe". [[User:Paul Tracy|Paul Tracy]]|\[[User_talk:Paul Tracy|talk]]
*****You can place these facts in without a strong POV. The publications and TV shows mentioned above may not be scientific, and there are many things that can not be judged by statistics, like sense of community. Whereas the only reference to shell suited burglarising Liverpudlians I can find is the Harry Enfield show, many sources have ranked Hull as a bad town. Hull has the worst GCSE pass rate in Britain, that's unarguable. But if you feel that the Hull references in the above publications and TV shows would be too POV to include then I would follow the consensus established here. - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnchen]] 00:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

** Oops. This is my fault for seperating out that section and giving it a heading that, really, wasn't very wikipedia - so feel free to get rid of that. The text of that section should remain though, whether it gets its own (good) heading or not. The fact that Hull keeps on winning these accolades tells you a lot about the place. --[[User:Artw|Artw]] 04:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
** To be fair, this is a factor of some universality and is Wikipedia's drawback, not Hull's. In any other encyclopedia '''no''' talk of settlement reputation would and should be tolerated in either direction, full stop. Erm, well in any case except for the barely ostensible tinge of personal opinion - the issue would be kaput, finished, dead. That policy would be final, unequivocally-appreciated and absolute. Sadly, Wiki's "different". ;) Only the world can police Wikipedia and sadly, albeit understandably, the rest of the world can scarcely refrain from plunging in with that venerable 'Point of View'. If it were my call, I'd simply try out of no other option to integrate into the article the juxaposing views sympathetically, with a view to maintaining maximum accessibility for a wide spectrum of opinion. It is after all, still an encyclopedia, even if a somewhat 'divergent' one. (MRacer)

* It's true. Hull is one of the worst cities in the United Kingdom. Having lived in many a place, I find Hull to be the smelliest, beggar-ridden, rat-infested city I've ever seen. Attempts to clean up the city with its 'Gold Zone' policy have only served to point to the fact that its streets are overrun with chavs and people high on pot and cider. There are lots of things in this article which are opinionated. For example, Hull having one of the most advanced network infrastructures in the county. Says who? Kingston Communications co-developed the ADSL technology and yet dragged its heels when it came to rolling it out in its own town. Instead, they tried to push an ultimately terrible interactive television vehicle, KiT. To say it's one of the most advanced is a laughable lie. MAN's exist in most of the major cities in the United Kingdom and indeed the world. It is not anywhere near the most extensive, or the most advanced.
**You should write in to the daily mail, all they're doing is printing letters from angry Hull residents about how it's the greatest place on planet earth. But I think the Case Against Hull section can wait for a while, preliminery GCSE results show that Hull have lifted off the bottom of the table and jumped 7 places up. - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnchen]] 15:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

My mate went to uni there and came back describing the city as 'an absolute shit-hole'. Seeing as she grew up in a place as crap as Cramlington, this is indisputable proof of its crapness.

I also removed the section on the Crap Towns, which somebody has restored. I don't think is particularly relevant, there are many books on Hull and that is hardly the most authoritive.
: - I disagree. This book is one of the most famous contempory references to Hull and forms the opinion of a large proportion of th UK that Hull is a post-war nightmare of concrete, unemployment, norrow minded volence and insular attitude. Whilst the old town and outlying villages may not like this a large proportion of Hull actually is - one of the reasons most educated people leave, never to return from university. [[User:199.4.27.1|199.4.27.1]] 12:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

"Hull has often been voted as the least popular place to reside in the UK. ''Mostly may I add by small minded people who haven't even been to Kingston upon Hull.''"

While the second part of this is probably accurate, it almost certainly qualifies as POV! [[User:193.129.65.37|193.129.65.37]] 07:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

:Definately opinionated, I agree. I would, however, argue that the first part is also true. Having lived in Hull and numerous other places, it's hard not to disagree. Either way, its status as 'worst town' should be noted somewhere. --[[User:Dan_Atkinson|Dan]] [[User_talk:Dan_Atkinson|(Talk)]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Dan_Atkinson|@]] 10:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Most comments made on this page are opinions and not actual facts. I generally find most negative and somewhat 'hateful' comments originate from, as mentioned, small-minded people who have never visited the city (and probably don't know where it is). No one can deny any of the problems the city has (i.e. education), but such problems are slowly (but surely) being improved. Many northern cities have suffered from neglect over the past few decades - take Newcastle for example - but urban regeneration and major development has helped to change the face of that and many other cities. Now it is Hull's turn. With over £1 billion of investment things are changing... and for the better. Do not judge Hull by pseudo-literary publications or TV programming. See for yourself what the city is ''really'' like.

Im sure a quote by someone by Philip Larkin would be a satisfactory addition. He hated the place and always told everyone. Who was the guy who said "Is there anything nice about hull? ... well, its very flat so its good to cycle on."

== The Name ==

I am assuming the city is officially the City of Kingston-upon-Hull - perhaps that should be made clearer in the article...--[[User:80.195.253.219|80.195.253.219]] 03:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Officially it is the City & County of Kingston-upon-Hull[[User:87.102.44.114|87.102.44.114]] 03:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== County ==

I made a minor edit earlier to the intro that removed the reference that Hull was in Yorkshire, it was reverted with the following citation: http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=221,83114&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL although the point is that Hull hasn't been in the county of Yorkshire for decades, from 1974 until 1996 it was part of Humberside and since then it's been a Unitary Authority with no County council - which would support the fact it's not 'in' Yorkshire, it's surrounded by it, as the second intro paragraph states. For anyone who doesn't know the area, the wording of the opening paragraphs is awful, so is it in Yorkshire, surrounded by yorkshire, or somewhere near Timbuktu? [[User:Jastein|Jastein]] 23:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
:Hull is in Yorkshire. Hull has been part of Yorkshire since 1996 when Humberside was abolished. There doesn't need to be a county council for a city to be part of a county. Newcastle is in Tyne and Wear - it is a unitary authority not a county council, Liverpool is part of Merseyside - it is a unitary authority not a county council etc... I understand its a grey area - but if the citys own council is saying its part of Hull, your going to need a lot of fact to show its not. Its definetely nowhere near Timbuktu neither. --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 00:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
::What about the "Welcome to the East Riding of Yorkshire" signs as you leave the city? :-p I understand what you are saying about the council although I still personally think it is a grey area dependent on how you define geographic region in England. Historic Counties? Ceromonial Counties? Administrative Counties? Common postal addresses?

::My main point is not to do with the Unitary Authority (that was just badly explained on my part, I apologise) but this may get my point across:

:::"Hull, is a city and unitary authority which is situated on the north bank of the Humber estuary in the northern English county of Yorkshire.

:::It is surrounded by the East Riding of Yorkshire and forms part of that county for ceremonial purposes. It is part of the Yorkshire and the Humber Government Office Region."

::So to the uninformed visiting Wikipedia wishing to learn about Hull, the intro tells them it's in the county of Yorkshire, as well as both being in and surrounded by East Yorkshire. [[User:Jastein|Jastein]] 00:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

:::I understand your point - I think some of the problem lies in the fact that the East Riding of Yorkshire is called that, that is the name for the Unitary Authority that covers the area, whereas all that area plus Hull is known as just East Yorkshire. It is confusing as you say re the signs as you enter the East Riding. As you enter Wakefield or Richmond for example you are entering these areas plus South Yorkshire and North Yorkshire respectively, so when you enter the East Riding of Yorkshire, you enter it AND East Yorkshire, see [[Ceremonial counties of England]]. Feel free to rearrange the intro paragraph.--[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 11:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

::::Okay, I played around with several wordings, and unfortunately, the most accurate and concise one in my opinion was the one I changed to before. The main reasons are that it gives the location in the world (Humber estuary, in the north, in England) without the confusion of the differences between the types of counties. Also, the detail with the counties is expanded in the side pannel and further on, without muddling up the intro paragraphs. If this is still a problem feel free to rewrite and comment here. [[User:Jastein|Jastein]] 02:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:The big thing a lot og you are getting hung up about are just arbritary administration districts. Yorkshire itself still exists in is traditionasl and historic state which it has done for centuries. It is just no longer administered by a single or several councils/authorties which take a simple name of 'Yorkshire', 'somthing Yorkshire' or 'Yorskhire something'. The fact still remains that Hull is well and trubly part of the greater area called Yorkshire (which isn't even the sma eas the Government region Yorskhire and the Humber, as that inlcudes parts of Lincolnshire yet disculeds areas to the north, such as Middlesborough and Redcar). [[User:Evil Eye|Evil Eye]] 17:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::The counter point to that is: how do you determine relative geographic locations without referring to administration regions of one kind of another? They do change over time, and so do people's relative geography. Many in Hull (embarassingly including the council on the odd occassion) refer to Hull as being in Humberside still...yet Humberside as a region was never wanted nor liked "by the people" and as an administration area has ceased to be. Some Mancunians still consider themselves to be in Lancashire, although I doubt many Londoners consider themselves to be from Middlesex. A few years down the line, Hull and Yorkshire might be the same, who knows. For now though: the opening paragraph I altered doesn't sound as contradictory, and the info about the different classification of administrative regions is in the infobox, including the historic county of Yorkshire. [[User:Jastein|Jastein]] 18:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Though I cannot be 100% certain on this as I wasn't around at the time of the change, I have read/heard from seevral sources that one line of argument used by those who were creating the admin districts in the 70s was that the traditional counties were not being replaced by these new admin districts, but rather they would still exist along side then, only that they wouldn't be used for admin purpose. I don't think that has ofically changed to this day, so it would suggest the old traditional and historic Yorkshire still exists and anything whcih was part of histroic Yorkshire still is (it's quite topical, but this would explain why [[Saltburn-by-the-Sea]], which is in the admin area of [[Redcar and Cleveland]] or somewhere similar, played host to offical [[Yorkshire Day]] celebrations a couple of years. If it wasn't still offically in Yorkshire, it shouldn't have been able to do this. [[User:Evil Eye|Evil Eye]] 09:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Culture ==

On an unrelated note, the culture cleanup flag is definately deserving, although, what should be done to tidy it up? I'd be in favour of removing all but the most prominent entries (Beautiful South, EBTG etc.) in what seems like an advertisement for college bands, but I wouldn't want to seem rash. Ideally it would end up being organised like [[Manchester#Culture|Manchester]], [[Leeds#Culture|Leeds]] or [[Bradford#Culture_and_recreation|Bradford]]. Any comments or suggestions? [[User:Jastein|Jastein]] 02:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

: - definitely - many of the bands listed are in the 'not notable' category. seems like that section about live music was written by a promotor, to me... --[[User:82.43.100.107|82.43.100.107]] 23:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

== Wilson Line ==

Thomas Wilson, his sons Charles and Arthur and the Shipping Line they owned are surely one of the major parts of Hull history and have been completely ignored in the entry. Hull was at one point the Third port in all England trade. I think it would be worth adding an entry about their cultural significance in Hull's history. I would also consider a better mention of William Wilburforce and for Philip Larkin, especially regarding the university. [[User:El Scorcho]] 14:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
:'''Hull maritime project'''
This page is part of a WikiProject that links all artciles relating to Hull's maritime history in this period. There is a section in this article that will be monitored and possibly added to by the project for accuracy and to be comprehensive.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hull_Maritime_History| Hull Maritime Project]

===Ludgates, Hull, England===

If one is to come from the Ludgates, Hull, England, where are they from actually?
Could Ludgates actually mean "Flood gates"? If so does Hull have flood gates and if some one reffered to them as being from there where would that be?
:No idea - live in Hull and never heard it. Hull has a flood barrier (not gates) - with housing kind of near by but...?

I havent heard of Ludgate in Hull but there is a Lowgate. The ___gates in Hull typically refer to roads where gates existed when it was a Walled settlement. This is origins of Whitefriargate, Posterngate and Lowgate. Alot of what is now the city center _is_ built on reclaimed flood planes and some this was flooded during the Civil war seige of the City by the destruction of water sluices. The river Hull has a tidal barrier that is mentioned in the main article but this is modern structure (maybe 20years old).

Historically LUD [Llud] (73-58 BC): Was a king of Britain, came down from Scotland and made his way through Northumberland to London there are Ludgates in London, Leeds, ?York and Birmingham and probaably other places as well... though I don't think there has ever been one in Hull. Lud ordered the rebuilding of London's walls and towers. Up to this point London had been known as Trinovantum but now it became known as Kaerlud, or the City of Lud. This was later corrupted to Kaerlundein or City of Lundein, a small step to City of London. Lud is buried in London close to Ludgate which bears his name. Lud had two sons, Androgeus, Duke of Kent and Tenvantius (Tasclovanus), Duke of Cornwall but neither were considered suitable to succeed their father which was how Cassivelaunus, Lud's brother, became king...

== St Stephen's / Quay West ==

Is it worthwhile adding info about both of these developments?

:Under transport a mention of the new interchange that will be created may be required when considering adding the St Stephen's development.
:[[User:Keith D|Keith D]] 16:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

::I agree. I think a section on the regeneration of the city should be included here. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:87.102.38.123|87.102.38.123]] ([[User talk:87.102.38.123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/87.102.38.123|contribs]]) date.

:::Added, under Economy heading, feel free to edit as appropriate --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 22:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

==Accent==
http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/search/advanced.cfm This details four different accents from Hull, and all four seem to have the O: sound in "goat" listed. Did somebody get it the wrong way around in the article? I'm not an expert on how to represent pronounciations.

Also, on it being different from Yorkshire generally, I think it's better to say that it's very different from East Yorkshire accents. Two reasons why:

1 There are plenty of areas in Yorkshire that have an accent unlike anywhere around. Harrogate is arguably the best example. [Only joking].
2 Being from the West Riding, I don't find Hull speech to be ''that'' different whilst I find the rest of East Riding speech to be completely different.
[[User:Epa101|Epa101]] 20:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

: Just doing another search, the accents for the East Riding towns of Old Goole, Withernsea and Old Newton all have an 8 sound listed for "goat". Sounds like someone got it wrong way around to me. [[User:Epa101|Epa101]] 20:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming ==

Actually, should this article be moved? If so, to to Hull or Hull, Humberside as Hull is the most common name? [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 12:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:Nah, it's fine as it is. "Hull" get's to a disambiguation page as it should. This is meant to be an encyclopedia so the proper name rather than the more common name is appropriate. And certainly not to Hull, Humberside as it's not in Humberside - whatever that is/was. [[User:MikesPlant|MikesPlant]] 12:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::Agreed. Keep as it is. [[User:Poolkris|Kris]] 13:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok. Humberside is the region around Hull. The suggestion was based on a similar move thing. See [[Talk:Letchworth]]. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 16:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

==Hull Fair==
Think that there should be some mention of the Hull Fair similar the entry on the Goose Fair in the [[Nottingham]] atricle. There is also a separate article on the [[Nottingham Goose Fair|Goose Fair]] itself which may be possible if there is enough material.

[[User:Keith D|Keith D]] 13:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It probably doesn't merit a page in its own right, as it doesn't have the history of the Nottingham event, but even so it is worth a mention. It notable that the 1928 Ordnance Survey map of West Hull has the Fair Ground marked as such, so a point can be made about a piece of land specifically set aside for the purpose in Hull, as opposed to elsewhere, where fairs are usually held on park or common land.

[[User:Nick Cooper|Nick Cooper]] 14:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The Wyke fair was first charted around 1100 Charter by the Abbot of Meaux. It's current existence is down to the 1279 charter by King Edward. The National Fairground Archive maintained by the University of Sheffield has more information at http://www.hullfair.net and http://www.shef.ac.uk/nfa/history/charter/hull.php

[[User:Martin Spamer|Martin Spamer]]

== Hullensian? ==

The page says that an inhabitant of the city is called a 'Hullensian'; however I've never ever heard this term - most people I know use 'Hullian'. I'm not sure whether this is widely used either (most results on google are to do with psychology, although the top one is a website of someone in hull). Anyone have any thoughts on which is more correct? --[[User:Smigs|smigs]] 22:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:"Hullian" is what I've heard the most regularly. It always reminds me of "hooligan", which is apt. I've never heard the term "Hullensian". "Hullite" is another one. [[User:Robinoke|Robinoke]] 08:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
::I've heard "Hullensian" a few times, and I think it appears in the names of a few minor sporting teams from Hull although I couldn't name any. I have heard "Kingstonian" as well, which also rolls off the tongue but may lead to confusion with Kingston Upon Thames. I've never heard "Hullian", although that's a term you'd imagine most people almost 'making up' since that's a very common ending for an inhabitant. I did hear "Hullite" once a while ago, but it really doesn't sound as natural as these other terms. I would suggest there isn't a name for an inhabitant of Hull in common usage. [[User:Poolkris|Kris]] 10:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Kingtonian seems to be the most used formal/written form and I've certainly heard that used by the BBC local news; Hullensian is a common enough verbal alternative. I can't recall ever hearing Hullian or Hullite.
[[User:Martin Spamer|Martin Spamer]].

== The Deep ==

I was wondering about the so little mention of [[The Deep (aquarium)|The Deep]] in this article. I would say it is one of the most famous structures in the area and should at least warrant a picture on this page with some details (I can provide a photo if necessary). What do you lot think? [[User:The Guy From Ipanema|The Guy From Ipanema]] 22:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:Go for it. [[User:Poolkris|Kris]] 08:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::I know this isn't a tourist brochure but upon visiting Hull, i found it was better than the aquarium in London. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] 12:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Wyke upon Hull ==

The tale of John Wyke, Archbishop of York and the locals being miffed is all very nice, but it isn't backed by the sources. For a start, check out Wikipedia's [[List of Archbishops of York]] (or look up another version) - you'll notice John Wyke is totally missing (and certainly wasn't about at the relevant time). Certainly, Wyke existed well before 1291, and histories of Hull (and gazetteers of names etc.) give another story about the early history.

It is most likely that the shortening to 'Hull' came about from the town being well known for it's port, which was named (at least as far back as 1193) 'The Port of Hull', after the river on which it stood. [[User:82.153.111.141|82.153.111.141]] 00:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

== Comparison with Kingston upon Thames ==

Can I just query the point about Kingston upon Hull being shortened to Hull to 'avoid confusion with Kingston upon Thames'? The city has been referred to as Hull since medieval times, back when it was called Wyke-upon-Hull and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with it being confused with Kingston upon Thames. ([[User:Little muddy funkster|little muddy funkster]] 22:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC))
:I've removed it. It was unsourced and completely wrong. - smigs 00:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

== Photo's ==
Have uploaded some photo's - may be of use... maybe not... at the bottom of my user page... [[User:Merlin-UK|Merlin-UK]] 23:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Featured Picture ==

Please visit [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] if you are interested in having the picture of the KC Stadium raised to the status of featured picture or if you think that it definitely shouldn't be featured. Thanks, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Hull F.C.

2007-04-23T19:30:11Z

...adam...: FP

Please add '''www.oldfaithful.org.uk''' as another link on Hull FC as it is the Number 1 Unofficial Hull FC website on the internet. Thankyou
Webmaster.

does anyone know how the fastest try was scored in 1992? i.e. a blow by blow account of the 9secs of play.

== Featured Picture ==

Please visit [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] if you are interested in having the picture of the KC Stadium raised to the status of featured picture or if you think that it definitely shouldn't be featured. Thanks, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Kingston upon Hull

2007-04-23T19:29:15Z

...adam...: /* Sport */ changed kc picture to a cropped version

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|width="45%"|Status:||[[Unitary authority|Unitary]], [[City status in the United Kingdom|City]] (1897)
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|[[Regions of England|Region]]:||[[Yorkshire and the Humber]]
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|[[Ceremonial counties of England|Ceremonial County]]:||[[East Riding of Yorkshire]]
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|[[Historic counties of England|Historic County]]:||[[Yorkshire]]
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|[[Surface area|Area]]: - Total||[[List of English districts by area|Ranked 279th]] [[1 E7 m²|71.45]] [[square kilometre|km²]]
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|Admin. HQ:||Kingston upon Hull
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|[[ONS coding system|ONS code]]:||00FA
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|[[Population]]: - Total ({{EnglishStatisticsYear}}) - [[Density]]||[[List of English districts by population|Ranked {{EnglishDistrictRank|ONS=00FA}}]] {{EnglishDistrictPopulation|ONS=00FA}} {{EnglishDistrictDensity|ONS=00FA}} / km²
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|Ethnicity:||97.7% White
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!colspan=2 bgcolor="#ff9999"|Politics
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|colspan=2 align=center|[[Image:3-crowns.GIF|100px|Three Crowns emblem of the City]] Hull City Council http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/
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|[[Local government in England#Councils and councillors|Leadership]]:||Leader & Cabinet
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|Executive:||{{EnglishDistrictControl|ONS=00FA}}
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|[[MPs elected in the UK general election, 2005|MPs]]:||[[Alan Johnson]], [[Diana Johnson]], [[John Prescott]]
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'''Kingston upon Hull''', more usually referred to simply as '''Hull''', is a [[City status in the United Kingdom|city]] and [[unitary authority]] in the [[East Riding of Yorkshire]], [[England]]. It is located on the north bank of the [[Humber]] [[estuary]], near the east coast, and on both sides of the [[River Hull]], which flows into the Humber.

==History==
Since the 12th century, a settlement has existed on this site. It was established as a result of the founding between 1150 and 1179 of the Meaux Abbey in the area. It is said that William le Gros, Earl of Albemarle and founder of the abbey was hunting in the area and decided that the point at which the River Hull met the River Humber was ideally suited for a market and port.

The town was originally called Wyke (or Wyke-upon-Hull), but in 1293 [[Edward I of England|Edward I]], as a consequence of an arrangement between the king and the Abbot of Meaux, Wyke was granted the right to hold a market and fair, was made a manor and a free borough, had a harbour constructed, and had its named changed to Kingston upon Hull ('the King's town upon Hull').<ref>John Marius Wilson, Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72)</ref>

The location became strategically important to the English in [[wars of Scottish Independence|conflict]] with the [[Scotland|Scottish]] in the late [[13th century]]. [[Edward I of England|Edward I]] selected the site for its ideal proximity to his kingdom's adversary. Kingston-upon-Hull was an advantageous port from which to launch his campaigns, sufficiently deep within the boundaries of England to afford security. The associated [[royal charter]], dated [[April 1]], [[1299]] remains preserved in Hull's [[Guildhall Archives]].

The charter of [[1440]], constituted Kingston upon Hull a corporate town and granted that instead of a Mayor and Bailiffs there should be a Mayor, Sheriff and twelve Aldermen who should be Justices of the Peace within the town and county.
[[Image:Hull1866.jpg|thumb|left|275px|Hull in 1866.]]
Hull was a major port during the later [[Middle Ages]] and its merchants traded widely to ports in northern [[Germany]], [[Baltic region|the Baltics]] and the [[Low Countries]]. Wool, cloth and hides were exported, and timber, wine, furs and dyestuffs imported. Leading merchant, Sir [[William de la Pole]], helped establish a family prominent in government. Bishop [[John Alcock (Bishop)|John Alcock]], founder of [[Jesus College, Cambridge|Jesus College]] and patron of the grammar school in Hull, hailed from another Hull mercantile family.

Between the 13th and 16th centuries, Hull was the second port of England (after London), and a sophisticated metropolitan international city.

Hull's maritime history is thought to have been a key factor in the transmission of [[syphilis]]: the earliest evidence of syphilis in medieval Europe is at the site of an Augustinian friary (destroyed 1539) in Hull.

This friary provided medical care including palliative care and burial rites for "wretched souls". Carbon-dated skeletons from the friary display bone lesions typical of tertiary venereal syphilis. This casts doubt on the New World origin theory of syphilis.

Examination of the friary site revealed bone lesions on two/thirds of the skeletons examined, including those closest to the altar, a position reserved for richer and more generous patrons of the order. This suggests that the privileged of Hull had had syphilis for a long time.<ref>[http://www.historyfocal.com/Beethoven/Syphilis.shtml Syphilis], History Focal, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref>

[[carbon dating|Carbon dated]] skeletons of monks who lived in the friary showed bone lesions typical of venereal syphilis. The find in Hull disputes the assertion that syphilis came from the [[New World]] through contact of [[Christopher Columbus]]'s crew with American natives.<ref>[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_syphilis/interview.html Secrets of the Dead Interview, The Syphilis Enigma], PBS, retrieved 9 November 2006</ref>

Hull grew in prosperity and importance during the 16th and early 17th centuries. This is reflected in the construction of a number of fine, distinctively decorated brick buildings of which Wilberforce House (now a museum dedicated to the life of [[William Wilberforce]]) is a rare survivor.

In [[1642]] Hull's governor Sir [[John Hotham]] declared for the [[roundhead|Parliamentarian]] cause and later refused [[Charles I of England|Charles I]] entry into the city and access to its large arsenal. He was declared a traitor and despite a parliamentarian pardon was later executed. (He was actually executed by the parliamentarians, not the royalists, when he tried to change sides.) This series of events was to precipitate the [[English Civil War]] since Charles I felt obliged to respond to the 'insult' by [[siege of Hull (1642)|besieging the city]], an event which played a critical role in triggering open conflict between the Parliamentarian and [[Cavalier|Royalist]] causes. For some of the Civil War, and for some of the [[Interregnum (England)|Interregnum]], [[Robert Overton]] was governor of Hull.

Hull developed as a British trade port with mainland [[Europe]]. [[Whaling]] until the mid 19th century and deep sea fishing until the [[Cod War|Anglo-Icelandic Cod War]] [[1975]]-[[1976]], which resolution led to a major decline in Hull's economic fortune. At one stage it was the "third port" in England, due largely to the success of the [[Wilson Line of Hull]] shipping firm, the largest privately owned shipping concern at that time. The significance of this successful firm in Hull is seen by statues in the city centre to the brothers that ran it. It was only when it was sold to [[John Ellerman]] in 1915 that it declined and was in correlation with the decline of Hull as a port to rival London and Liverpool. It remains a major port dealing mostly with bulk commodities and commercial road traffic by [[RORO ferry]] to [[Rotterdam]] and [[Zeebrugge]] on mainland Europe. The city remains a UK centre of food processing.

Because of its docks, industry and proximity to continental Europe, the city sustained particularly significant damage in bombing raids during the [[Second World War]] and much of the city centre was devastated. In fact, Hull was the most severely bombed city outside London during WWII, with 95% of houses being damaged or destroyed.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/6324301.stm Listed status for bombed cinema], [[BBC News]], [[2 February]] [[2007]], retrieved [[2 February]] [[2007]].</ref> Of a population of approximately 320,000 at the beginning of World War II, approximately 192,000 were made homeless as a result of bomb destruction or damage. The worst of the bombing occurred during 1941. Little was known about this destruction by the rest of the country at the time since most of the radio and newspaper reports did not reveal Hull by name but referred to it as a "North-East" town.<ref>T. Geraghty, "A North East Coast Town", p.7, Mr Pye Books, 1989</ref> Most of the centre was rebuilt in the years following the war, but it is only recently that the last of the "temporary" car parks that occupied the spaces of destroyed buildings have been redeveloped.

==Geography==
[[Image:IMG_017590.JPG|thumb|right|270px|The Tidal Surge Barrier]]
Kingston upon Hull is near the east coast of the United Kingdom, on the northern bank of the [[Humber estuary]]. The city centre is close to the Humber, making the city roughly semi-circular in shape. The city is surrounded by the rural [[East Riding of Yorkshire]], making it quite isolated from many of the large cities of the United Kingdom, when compared to the large [[conurbation]]s of [[West Yorkshire]] for example.

Much of Hull lies at or below sea level. The Hull Tidal Surge Barrier is at the point where the River Hull joins the Humber Estuary and is lowered at times when unusually high tides are expected. It is used between 8 and 12 times per year and protects approximately 10,000 people from flooding.<ref>[http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/regions/northeast/411697/411714/411761/?lang=_e Hull Tidal Surge Barrier - Facts and Figures], Environment Agency website, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> Due to its low level, Hull is expected to be at increasing levels of risk from flooding due to global warming.<ref>[http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1282516 Yorkshire's grim future: Fires, floods and drought], Yorkshire Post Today, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref>

The boundaries of the city are tightly drawn and exclude many of the nearby villages which make up the larger [[metropolitan area]]. [[Cottingham, East Riding of Yorkshire|Cottingham]] is the largest of these.

==Administration==
Hull's administrative status has changed several times. It was a [[county borough]] within the East Riding of Yorkshire from [[1889]] and in [[1974]] it became a non-metropolitan district of [[Humberside]]. When that county was abolished in [[1996]] it was made a unitary authority.

The governing body of the city is now [[Hull City Council]]. The council was designated as the UK's worst performing authority in both 2004 and 2005.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4099063.stm Council is worst in the country], BBC News Online, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref>

===Twinning===
Hull is twinned with:
*{{flagicon|Sierra Leone}} [[Freetown, Sierra Leone|Freetown]], [[Sierra Leone]]
and is sistered with
*{{flagicon|Japan}} [[Niigata, Niigata|Niigata]], [[Japan]]
*{{flagicon|USA}} [[Raleigh, North Carolina]], [[USA]]
*{{flagicon|Iceland}} [[Reykjavík]], [[Iceland]]
*{{flagicon|Netherlands}} [[Rotterdam]], [[Netherlands]]
*{{flagicon|Poland}} [[Szczecin]], [[Poland]]

[[Hull, Massachusetts]] in the USA is named after this city, as is [[Hull, Quebec]], which is part of the [[Canada|Canadian]] national capital region.

==Economy==
===Industry===
Hull is a very busy [[port]], with 18.5% of UK [[imports]] and 15% of the UK's seaborne trade passing through in 2004.<ref>[http://www.hull.co.uk/investing_economiclocation.aspx Hull - Investing > Economic Location], Hull.co.uk, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref>

Hull is also home to some major [[industries]] and well known British brands, such as [[BP]], [[Smith & Nephew]], [[Reckitt Benckiser]] and [[Humbrol]].

[[Image:Princes_quay.jpg|thumb|200px|right|[[Princes Quay]] Shopping Centre built over Princes Dock.]]

===Shopping===
There are two large shopping centres in Hull - the Prospect Centre and [[Princes Quay|Prince's Quay Shopping Centre]], the latter of which is built on stilts in the former Prince's Dock. There is also a new cinema due for completion autumn 2007. The indoor Trinity Market features around fifty stalls and is situated next to the city's Holy Trinity Church. Due for completion in Autumn 2007, the new St. Stephen's development will also become home to several large stores, including Zara, H&M, Next, Bershka, and USC, whilst the Quay West development due for completion in [[2010]] will see Prince's Quay extended with another 60 shops and two new department stoes (John Lewis and Debenhams are tipped to lease these) and other leisure facilities.

===Statistics===
This is a chart of trend of regional gross value added of Kingston-upon-Hull at current basic prices [http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_economy/RegionalGVA.pdf published] (pp.240-253) by ''Office for National Statistics'' with figures in millions of British Pounds Sterling.
{| class="wikitable"
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! Year || Regional Gross Value Added1 || Agriculture2 || Industry3 || Services4
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| 1995 || '''2,748''' || 5 || 1,014 || 1,729
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| 2000 || '''3,231''' || 3 || 1,205 || 2,023
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| 2003 || '''3,711''' || 6 || 1,406 || 2,299
|}
1 Components may not sum to totals due to rounding 
2 includes hunting and forestry 
3 includes energy and construction 
4 includes financial intermediation services indirectly measured 

==Demographics==
According to the [[2001 UK census]], Hull had a population of 253,400, a decline of 5.3% since the 1991 UK census. The population figure has subsequently been re-estimated to 249,100 as of July 2005.<ref>[http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=9395&More=Y Quinary age groups and sex for local authorities in the United Kingdom; estimated resident population; Mid-2005 Population Estimates], National Statistics Online, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> For many years Hull was one of the least racially diverse cities in England, however in recent years large numbers of foreigners have come to the city as refugees, students or workers. It is estimated as much as 7% of the city could be non-white, as opposed to the 3.3% from the 2001 census. In recent years many [[Kurdish]], [[Somali]] and [[Congolese]] refugees have come to the city.

==Education==
===Universities===
Kingston upon Hull is home to the [[University of Hull]], which was founded in 1927. There are 16,000 students in attendance.<ref>[http://www.hull.ac.uk/05/aboutus/facts_figures/index.html Facts and Figures], University of Hull webpage, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> Associated with the university is the [[Hull York Medical School]] (HYMS), which took its first intake of students in 2003 as a part of the British government's attempts to train more doctors.

The [[University of Lincoln]] grew out of the University of Humberside, a former [[polytechnic]] which was based in Hull. Through the 1990s the focus of the institution moved to nearby [[Lincoln, Lincolnshire|Lincoln]], where the administrative headquarters and management moved to in 2001. Since then the main campus has been sold to the University of Hull and now contains their Business School and the Hull York Medical School. The University of Lincoln retains a small campus in Hull city centre.

===Schools===
There are over [[List of schools in Yorkshire and the Humber#Hull|100 local schools]], including the independent [[Hymers College]] and Hull Collegiate School (Formed by the joining of Hull Grammar School and Hull High School in September 2005). There is a large [[further education]] college, Hull College and two large [[sixth form college]]s, Wyke College and Wilberforce College.

Hull has had low examination success rates for many years and was often found near the bottom of government league tables. This, however, is a problem that many large inner-city [[Local Education Authority|Local Education Authorities]] have. In [[2006]], Hull’s secondary schools’ examination succession rate rocketed by 75% from 28.9% of pupils achieving 5 or more GCSEs with grades of C or higher in [[2004]] to more than 50%, bringing Hull close to the national average. This was partly due to a major restructuring of Hull's secondary education system, which involved several closures, mergers and the construction of an entirely new school. In common with many other regions, the number of pupils passing five GCSEs dropped when the system was changed to count only those pupils passing English and Maths as part of the five.
Trinity House school situated in Myntongate is one of the oldest Guilds and the oldest presea training school in the UK.

==Religion==
[[Image:Sfec-holyt-hull_-_015.JPG|thumb|right|Holy Trinty Church - Hull.]]
Hull is in the [[Diocese of York]] and has a [[Suffragan Bishop]]. The city reputedly has the lowest church attendance in the United Kingdom.<ref>[http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4010/is_200111/ai_n9009275 Empty pews full agendas], Sojourners Magazine, Nov/Dec 2001 by Martin Wroe, retrieved 9 November.</ref>

Unlike many other ancient English cities, Hull has no [[cathedral]]. It does, however, contain [[Holy Trinity Church, Hull|Holy Trinity Church]], which is the largest [[parish church]] in [[England]] when floor area is the measurement for comparison. Other churches, such as [[Great_Yarmouth#Church_of_St_Nicholas|St Nicholas's in Great Yarmouth]], are larger when other measurements are taken. The church dates back to about 1300<ref>[http://www.holy-trinity.org.uk/about.htm About Holy Trinity], Holy Trinity website, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> and contains what is widely acknowledged to be some of the finest mediæval brick-work in the country, particularly in the transepts.

There are several seamen's missions and churches based in Hull. The [[Mission to Seafarers]] has a centre at West King George Dock. The
St Nikolaj [[Denmark|Danish]] Seamen's Church is located at 104 Osborne Street, Hull and has services (in Danish) every Sunday.

==Transport and infrastructure==
[[Image:Humber_Bridge.png|thumb|275px|left|The [[Humber Bridge]] from the south side]]

The main route into and out of Hull by road is the [[M62 motorway]], which is one of the main east-west routes in northern England. It provides a link to the cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds as well as the rest of the country via the UK motorway network. The motorway itself ends some distance from the city; the rest of the way is along the dual carriageway [[A63 road|A63]]. This is because the motorway is intended to serve the wider East Yorkshire area, rather than the city of Hull specifically. The east-west route forms a small part of the [[European route E20|European road route E20]].

The city's rail terminus is [[Hull Paragon railway station]]. Services are provided to the rest of the [[UK]], including direct services to London, provided by [[Hull Trains]].

Transport within the city is provided by two main bus operators: [[Stagecoach in Hull]] and [[East Yorkshire Motor Services]]. A smaller operator, Alpha Bus and Coach, provides one of the two [[Park and Ride]] services in the city, whilst East Yorkshire Motor Services provide the other. Generally, routes within the city are operated by Stagecoach and those which leave the city are operated by EYMS.

The new St Stephen's development will integrate Hull's bus and railway stations into one structure. The combination is expected to see 24,000 people passing through each day.<ref>[http://www.ststephens-hull.com/transport.html Transport, St. Stephen's, Hull], St. Stephen's website, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> The development will also include shopping and leisure facilities along with car parking space. It is currently under construction and is expected to be completed in 2007 at a cost of £160 million.

[[P&O Ferries]] provide daily overnight ferry services from King George Dock in Hull to [[Zeebrugge]] and [[Rotterdam]]. Services to Rotterdam are worked by ferries ''[[Pride of Rotterdam]]'' and ''Pride of Hull'', the largest ferries operating in the United Kingdom.

The nearest airport is in Lincolnshire, [[Humberside Airport]], which mostly provides charter flights and also has four [[KLM]] scheduled flights to Amsterdam each day. Doncaster/Sheffield airport is within one hour's drive of the city and provides low cost flights to many European destinations.

Hull has the most 20 miles per hour zones in the UK, in an attempt to increase safety in its residential areas.

Hull is close to the [[Humber Bridge]], which provides road links to destinations south of the [[Humber]]. The bridge was constructed between [[1972]] and [[1981]] and at the time was the longest single-span suspension bridge in the world. It is now fourth in the list.<ref>[http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/misc/bridges.html Longest bridges - Suspension Bridges], Pub Quiz Help, retrieved 9 November 2006. Note: lists some incomplete bridges.</ref> Prior to construction of the bridge those wishing to cross the Humber could either take a ferry or travel inland as far as [[Goole]].

==Telephone system==
[[Image:White_payphone.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A Kingston Communications telephone box in Hull]]
Hull is the only city in the UK with its own independent [[telephone]] network company, [[Kingston Communications]]. Its distinctive cream [[Telephone booth|telephone boxes]] can be seen across the city. The company was formed in [[1902]] as a municipal department by the City Council and is a fine example of municipal enterprise. It remains the only locally-operated telephone company in the UK, although it is now part-privatised, with the City Council retaining a 44.9 per cent interest. The proceeds from the sale of shares were used to fund the city's sports venue, the [[KC Stadium]], amongst other things.

Kingston Communications were one of the first telecoms operators in Europe to offer [[ADSL]] to business users, and the first in the world to run an interactive television service using ADSL. As such, Hull has a modern telephone infrastructure. Indeed as early as the 1950s, Hull had a very advanced communication system including 'piped' TV and radio which was installed as default into every new council house (of which there were many). Kingston Communications has significant market power in both the dial-up and ADSL broadband internet market in Hull and the adjoining built up areas.

==Policing==
Policing in Kingston upon Hull is undertaken by [[Humberside Police]]. In October 2006 the force was named (jointly with [[Northamptonshire Police]]) as the worst performing police force in the United Kingdom, based on data released from the [[Home Office]].<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079944.stm Humberside 'worst police force'], BBC News Online, retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref>

[[Hull (HM Prison)|HM Prison Hull]] is located in the city and is operated by [[HM Prison Service]]. It caters for up to 1000 adult male prisoners.

==Culture==
===Museums and art===
[[Image:IMG_053589.JPG|thumb|right|250px|The Deep at night.]]
Hull has an extensive museum and visitor quarter which includes [[Wilberforce House]], Hull and East Riding Museum, the [[Ferens Art Gallery]], the Maritime Museum, Streetlife and Transport Museum, the [[Spurn Lightship]], the [[Arctic Corsair]] and [[The Deep (Aquarium)|the Deep]].
Worthy of mention is the Fish Trail, which takes you around the Old Town following a wide variety of sealife engraved in the pavement.

===Classical music===
Hull is home to [[Hull Sinfonietta]], the only large professional chamber ensemble in the Humber region, and the [[Hull Philharmonic Orchestra]], one of the most accomplished amateur orchestras in the country. Also resident in the city is one of the UK's oldest independent youth orchestras - Hull Philharmonic Youth Orchestra, which was established in 1952. The city is also the home of the Hull Choral Union and the Hull Bach Choir, which specialises in the performance of 17th and 18th century choral music.

===Literature===
Hull seems to be particularly attractive to poets - the Australian author [[Peter Porter (poet)|Peter Porter]] has described it as "the most poetic city in the United Kingdom".

[[Philip Larkin]], arguably the greatest English poet of the mid-20th century, wrote extensively in his poems about Hull. Among poems which contain descriptions of the area are "The Whitsun Weddings", "The Building" (about the [[Hull Royal Infirmary]]) and "Here". He also christened the city as "Coventry-by-the-Sea", as he saw many parallels between the two industrial cities.

Scottish-born Douglas Dunn's ''Terry Street'', a portrait of working-class Hull life, is one the outstanding poetry collections of the 1970s. Dunn was an important mentor to younger Hull poets including [[Peter Didsbury]], [[Sean O'Brien (writer)|Sean O'Brien]] and others, many of whom appeared in the 1982 Bloodaxe anthology ''A Rumoured City''. Current [[Poet Laureate]], [[Andrew Motion]], lectured at the [[University of Hull]] between [[1976]] and [[1980]] and [[Roger McGough]] studied there. Among the younger poets associated with Hull are Maggie Hannan, [[David Wheatley]] and [[Caitriona O'Reilly]].

===Theatre===
The city has three main [[theatre]]s. The larger is the [[Hull New Theatre]], which opened in [[1939]]. It features musicals, opera, ballet, drama, children's shows and pantomime. The [[Hull Truck Theatre]] is a smaller independent theatre established in 1971. It regularly features plays, notably those written by [[John Godber]]. The Hull Truck Theatre will have a new home in the St Stephen's development. The Northern Theatre Company is also based in the city.

===Nightlife===
Hull has a lively nightlife, attracting people from outlying areas as well as inhabitants of the city. Hull has the concentration of [[pub]]s and bars expected of any large city in contemporary Britain. The larger [[nightclub]]s include Waterfront, Pozition, Attic, the Welly, Spiders and until recently, Heaven and Hell and LA's.

===Popular music===
In the 1960s, Hull band ''Rats'' were spotted by [[David Bowie]]. They changed their name to '[[The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars|The Spiders From Mars]]' and became a globally known sensation. [[Mick Ronson]] (guitar) was the best known of the band members and he later went on to record with Lou Reed and Bob Dylan. There is a Mick Ronson Memorial Stage in Queens Gardens in Hull.

In the 1980s, Hull bands such as The [[Red Guitars]], [[The Housemartins]] and [[Everything But the Girl]] found mainstream success. [[Paul Heaton]], former member of [[The Housemartins]] is now in [[The Beautiful South]]. Another former member of The Housemartins, Norman Cook, now performs as [[Fatboy Slim]]. In 1983 Hull born [[Paul Anthony Cook]], [[Stuart Mathewman]] and [[Paul Spencer Denman]] formed the group [[Sade]], in 1984 the singer Helen Adu signed to CBS and the group released the album Diamond Life. The album went Triple Platinum in the UK and is still the biggest selling album from a UK female singer to date.

Current bands from Hull include [[The Favours]] and [[The Paddingtons]], who have been signed by former Oasis mentor Alan McGee and have had two singles enter the UK's Top 30. [[The Adelphi]] is now one of the most popular venues in the city having hosted many bands such as The Stone Roses, Oasis, Travis and many local bands. Other local music venues remain popular. The Springhead was voted music pub of the year in a national competition and offers live music 7 nights a week. Resident band The Aces were voted top live act by [[The Times]] newspaper in August 2005.

Hull has a thriving local punk and ska music scene. Venues such as Silhouette and the Wellington Club (locally known as the "Welly") host live music via club NME. Many bands have released locally successful records which received airplay on Alan Raws 'Raw Talent Show' and [[BBC Radio 1|Radio 1]].

Local record label [[Pork Recordings]] specialises in chill-out electronica. The Hull group [[Fila Brazillia]] started out on this label. Other local DIY labels include [[Diamond Life Records]] established by former Sade drummer [[Paul Anthony Cook]] and Empire Records that is currently run by the members of the group 'Afterglow'.

Meanwhile, in the world of Jazz and Avant-Garde music, the maverick composer Basil Kirchin (1925-2005) lived and died in Hull.

===Festivals===
The annual [[Hull Jazz Festival]] takes place around the [[Hull Marina|Marina]] area for a week at the beginning of August.
This is followed, in early September, by the [[Sea Fever Festival]], an International [[Sea shanty|Sea Shanty]] Festival. Early October sees the arrival of
[[Hull Fair]] which is Europe's largest travelling [[funfair]] and takes place on land adjacent to the [[KC Stadium]].

==Sport==
[[Image:KC Stadium.JPG|thumb|200px|right|[[Kingston Communications Stadium]].]]
The city has a professional [[Football (soccer)|football]] team playing in the [[Football League Championship|Championship]] (second tier), [[Hull City AFC]], who play at the [[Kingston Communications Stadium]].

The city has two [[rugby league]] teams. [[Hull FC]] are in the [[Super League (Europe)|Super League]] who, along with Hull City AFC, play at the [[Kingston Communications Stadium]]. [[Hull Kingston Rovers]] have been recently promoted to the [[Super League (Europe)|Super League]] and play at [[Craven Park (Hull)|Craven Park]].

The city also boasts [[Hull Ice Arena]], a large ice rink and concert venue, which is home to the [[Hull Stingrays]] [[ice hockey]] team who play in the [[Elite Ice Hockey League]].

New to the city is the [[Hull Hornets]] [[American football|American Football]] Club, who, as of [[5 November]] [[2006]], has acquired full member status of the [[British American Football League]] and are now eligible to apply for competition in the [[2007]] regular season.

In mid 2006 Hull was home to the professional wrestling company [[1PW]] that held the Devils Due event on [[27 July]] and was held in the [[Gemtec Arena]].

The City did have, up until 2006, a Speedway Team, called [[Hull Vikings]]. However they disbanded when they were evicted from [[Craven Park]], and they ran into considerable financial difficulty.

==Media==
Hull's daily newspaper is the ''[[Hull Daily Mail]]'' and its listings and what's on guides are [[Tenfoot City Magazine]] and [[Sandman (magazine)|Sandman Magazine]]. The [[BBC]] has its new ''Yorkshire and Lincolnshire'' regional headquarters at [[Queen's Gardens, Hull|Queen's Gardens]], from which the regional news programme ''[[BBC Look North (East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire)|Look North]]'' is broadcast. Radio services come from [[BBC Radio Humberside]], [[Viking FM]], [[Magic 1161]], the University of Hull's [[Jam 1575]] and [[Kingstown Radio]], the hospital-based radio station, which all broadcast to the city.

==Accent==
The local [[Accent (linguistics)|accent]] is quite distinctive and noticeably different from the rest of the East Riding; however it is still categorised amongst [[Yorkshire dialect and accent|Yorkshire accent]]s. The most notable feature of the accent is the strong "[[Umlaut|vowel fronting]]"<ref>[http://www.leeds.ac.uk/linguistics/WPL/WP1999/watt.doc A Spectrographic Analysis Of Vowel Fronting In Bradford English], Dominic Watt And Jennifer Tillotson, (Microsoft Word Document), retrieved 9 November 2006.</ref> in words like ''goat'', which is {{IPA|[gəʊt]}} in [[standard English]] and {{IPA|[goːt]}} across most of Yorkshire, becomes {{IPA|[gɵːt]}} ("''geuht''") in and around parts of Hull, although there is variation across areas and generations. In common with much of England (outside of Northumberland/Durham), another feature is dropping the H from the start of words, for example Hull is more often pronounced 'Ull in the city. The rhythm of the accent is more like that of northern Lincolnshire than that of the rural East Riding, which is perhaps due to migration from Lincolnshire to the city during its industrial growth.

The vowel sound in words such as ''burnt, nurse, first'' is pronounced with an /E:/ sound, as is also heard in [[Liverpool]] and in [[Middlesbrough]], yet this sound is very uncommon in most of Yorkshire.

The generational and/or geographic variation can be heard in word pairs like pork/poke or cork/coke, or hall/hole, which some people pronounce identically while others make a distinction; anyone called "Paul" (for example) soon becomes aware of this.

An amusing [[postcard]] is produced mocking the Hull accent. It lists a number of words and phrases as they are spoken (by some) in the city and a 'translation' to the [[Queen's English]]. For example, someone in Hull telling you that they had received a ''fern curl'' could be telling someone they had received a ''phone call''.

==Reputation==
Traditionally a solidly industrial city, many residents are very proud of the city and its traditions. Equally so, many give it credit for its down to earth, working class attitude and friendly atmosphere. Having a certain population of students from all over the country as well as from overseas, the students often enjoy a friendly atmosphere and warm hospitality from the locals. The [[University of Hull]] boasts a reputation of being the friendliest university in United Kingdom. Nationally, Hull has always been seen as something of an oddity, being a large city that is isolated in a very rural part of Yorkshire. The rest of the East Riding has always looked upon Hull as a very different entity, and government decisions have taken this into account with things such as post codes, telephone networks and other regional groupings.

Hull's national reputation is also reflected by the positive striving of the Council to improve the city's welfare. However, the city has had poor performance in terms of most socioeconomic indicators in comparison with the rest of the UK. Hull City Council was designated as the UK's worst performing authority in both 2004 and 2005, which the Council are trying to improve with its new 160 million pound [[St Stephen's]] project.

The city did feature on the 2004 Top Ten worst places to live in the U.K, however, Hull was absent from the 2006 top 10; Nottingham and Manchester were both on the 2006 Top 10 list.

==Regeneration==
As with many cities across the country, areas of Hull are undergoing [[urban regeneration|regeneration]]. These include the ''St Stephen's'' and ''Quay West'' projects. ''Quay West'' (being built on [[brownfield land]]) will provide an expansion of the existing Princes Quay shopping centre.

Overlooking the Humber, the new £165 Humber Quays development, now with World Trade Centre status, is adding new high quality office space to Hull's waterfront. Phase 1 of the project includes two office buildings (one complete, one under construction), and 51 new apartments. Phase 2 will include a new 200 bedroom 4 star hotel, a restaurant, plus more high quality office space.

The East Bank of the River Hull will see a stunning £100m residential development connected to Hull's old town. The Boom will include over 600 luxury riverside apartments, shops, boutiques, bistro cafés, a 120 bed luxury hotel, plus health and education facilites.

St. Stephen's is being built on the site of the old bus station and is a 52,000 sq m scheme, anchored by a 24 hour superstore, providing shop units, residential areas, as well as a new 'transport interchange'. This will include a new bus station and renovated railway station and is said to be the first system in England which integrates railway and bus stations, leisure and shopping facilities under the same roof. This project is aimed to be completed by the end of 2007. Stores leasing area in St Stephens include [[Zara]], [[USC]], [[Bershka]], [[H&M]], [[Next (retailer)|Next]], and Tesco.

==People associated with Kingston upon Hull==
:''Most of the notable people associated with the city can be found in the [[:Category:People from Hull|People from Hull]] and [[:Category:People associated with the University of Hull|People associated with the University of Hull]] categories.''


Other people associated with the city include:
*[[John Alderton]], an actor, grew up in Hull and attended [[Kingston High School, Hull|Kingston High School]].
*[[Tom Courtenay]], the actor, born in Hull.
*[[Jon Culshaw]], the impressionist and comedian, also began his career as a DJ on Hull station [[Viking FM]].
*[[John Godber]], a British playwright, has been Artistic Director of the [[Hull Truck Theatre]] Company since 1984.
*[[Paul Collins]], attented the University of Hull.
*[[Marion Hood]], a singer, grew up in Hull and performed in [[music hall]] there as a girl and young adult.
*[[JK and Joel]], presenters on [[BBC Radio 1]], began their partnership on local radio station [[Viking FM]].
*[[Andrew Lincoln]], the actor, spent some time growing up in Hull.
*[[Maureen Lipman]], the actor, born in Hull.
*[[Clive Sullivan]], a renowned rugby league player, played for both of Hull's rugby league teams. The main road into the city from the Humber Bridge is named after him (Clive Sullivan Way).


==References==
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==External links==
* [http://wikitravel.org/en/Kingston_Upon_Hull/ WikiTravel Guide]
* [http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/ Hull City Council]
* [http://prismdata.hullcc.gov.uk/ Hull City Council - Photo archive web site]
* [http://www.thisishull.co.uk/ Hull Daily Mail]
* [http://www.holy-trinity.org.uk/ Holy Trinity church]
* [http://www.hpyo.co.uk Hull Philharmonic Youth Orchestra]
* [http://www.princes-quay.co.uk Prince's Quay shopping centre]
* [http://www.quaywesthull.co.uk/ Quay West Project]
* [http://www.ststephens-hull.com/ St Stephens Project]
* [http://www.hull.ac.uk The University of Hull]
* [http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page2.html Photograph of every public house in the city.]
* [http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page364.htm Hull Fish Trail.]
* [http://www.hyms.ac.uk/ Hull York Medical School]
* [http://www.nickclay.karoo.net/ Pink Noise and other Hull bands of the 1980s]
* [http://www.familytreediscovery.net/edith/ Hull Memories - Audio Recordings of Hull-born Edith Symonds]
* [http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/HullTheatresIndex.htm History of Hull's Theatres Past and Present]
* [http://gallery.hull-online.co.uk/Hull/ Photographs of modern and historic features in Kingston upon Hull]
* [http://www.gogetwise.co.uk/ Get Wise about Hull! Come visit GogetWise.co.uk]

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Hull F.C.

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''For the [[football (soccer)]] team of the same city, see [[Hull City A.F.C.]]''

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| image = [[Image:Hullfc.GIF|center]]
| fullname = ''Hull Rugby League Football Club''
| emblem = Modified [[coat of arms]] ([[Kingston upon Hull]])
| colours = Black and White
| founded = [[1865]]
| sport = [[Rugby league]]
| league = [[Super League (Europe)]]
| ground = [[KC Stadium]]
| web = [http://www.hullfc.com/ www.hullfc.com]
}}
'''Hull FC''' is a professional [[rugby league]] football club formed in 1865 and based in [[Kingston upon Hull|Hull]], [[England]]. They were one of the founder members of the [[Northern Union]] which was formed in 1895. Later that year they moved to the Hull Athletic Club's ground at the Boulevard, Airlie Street, which gave rise to their nickname "The Airlie Birds". Traditionally people from the west side of [[Kingston upon Hull|Hull]] supported Hull FC while [[Hull Kingston Rovers]] were supported by the east half, the 'border' usually being regarded as the [[River Hull]]. The club reverted to their former name of Hull FC in 1999, after Hull (then known as '''Hull Sharks''') merged with [[Gateshead Thunder]] after both clubs ran into financial difficulties.

== History==

===Early years===
The club was formed by a group of ex-schoolboys from [[York]], who had been at [[Rugby School|Rugby school]], in 1865. The club immediately took on members who were plumbers and glaziers.

The club moved into the Hull Athletic Club at the Boulevard, and subsequently played their first ever match in September of that year. 8,000 people turned out to witness the first club's match.

The early years of the Northern Union saw Hull prosper, and their black and white irregular hooped jerseys became one of the most famous and feared strips in the league. Between 1908-10, Hull lost three consecutive [[Rugby League Challenge Cup|Challenge Cup]] finals, and has in fact lost in more major finals than anyone else.

In [[1913]] they paid a world record £600, plus £14 per match, to Hunslet for [[Billy Batten]]. A year later the Airlie Birds won their first Challenge Cup, beating Huddersfield in the semi-final and [[Wakefield Trinity Wildcats|Wakefield Trinity]] in the final. In [[1920]] Batten was once again key in Hull's first ever [[Rugby League Championship|Championship]] final, scoring the only try in the 3-2 victory over [[Huddersfield Giants|Huddersfield]].

The early [[1920s]] were bittersweet years for the club. In [[1921]] Hull won the [[Yorkshire Cup (rugby league)|Yorkshire Cup]] but lost the [[Yorkshire League|county championship]], both against rivals [[Hull Kingston Rovers]]. Hull couldn’t match the successes of 1914, losing a further two consecutive cup finals in 1922-23 to [[Rochdale Hornets]] and [[Leeds Rhinos|Leeds]] respectively, but they managed to win the [[Yorkshire Cup (rugby league)|Yorkshire Cup]] and finish top of the league.

===Post World War two===

In 1954, the black Welshman Roy Francis became the first black professional coach in any British team sport, when he coached Hull.

After the second world war, Hull won two [[Rugby League Championship|Championship]] in three years, beating [[Halifax RLFC|Halifax]] in [[1956]] and [[Workington Town]] in [[1958]]. These two triumphs healed the wound of two successive [[Yorkshire Cup (rugby league)|Yorkshire Cup]]final defeats in [[1955]] and [[1957]]. They lost in two further Challenge Cup finals to [[Wigan Warriors|Wigan]] and [[Wakefield Trinity Wildcats|Wakefield]] in [[1959]] and [[1960]]. All these reverses, when one hand had been grasping so many trophies, gave Hull a steely resolve and a thirst for success.

With the coaching appointment of [[Arthur Bunting]] Hull FC began a period of dominance. Hull won all of their 26 Division Two matches in 1978-79, the only time a club has won all of its league matches in a season and returning to the top flight. The Airlie Birds lost the 1980 Challenge Cup final against [[Hull Kingston Rovers|Hull KR]] 10-5 and have never won at Wembley since, it was reputed that a makeshift sign was left on the A63 (the major westerly road out of Hull) that read "last one out turn the lights off!" due to most of the city travelling to Wembley for the final. In [[1982]], Hull, crushed by [[Widnes Vikings|Widnes]] in the [[Rugby League Premiership|Premiership]] final, avenged the defeat with an 18-9 Challenge Cup replay win.

[[Image:KC Stadium.JPG|thumb|200px|right|[[Kingston Communications Stadium]].]]Hull eventually won the league in [[1983]] and also reached the Premiership final, the Challenge Cup final and the Yorkshire Cup final, but the latter trophy would be their only reward from the three finals. The signing of [[Australia]]n [[Peter Sterling]] maintained Hull’s strength, and Bunting’s men went to their third successive [[Yorkshire Cup (rugby league)|Yorkshire Cup]] beating Hull KR 29-12, but were edged out in arguably the greatest ever Challenge Cup final by [[Wigan Warriors|Wigan]] at [[Wembley Stadium]] in [[1985]] with a score of 28 to 24 in Wigans favour. A number of subsequent coaches, such as [[Brian Smith (rugby league)|Brian Smith]] and [[Noel Cleal]] failed to deliver consistent success. Hull lost the Premiership final in [[1989]] to [[Widnes Vikings|Widnes]], but two years later returned to beat them at [[Old Trafford (football)|Old Trafford]].

===Super League era===

When the [[Super League (Europe)|Super League]] was formed, it was suggested that Hull should merge with [[Hull Kingston Rovers]] to form 'Humberside'. This was resisted but the club changed its name to Hull Sharks. It is unclear who came up with the 'Sharks' as a nickname but for a nautical city it was a fairly obvious choice.[[Image:Hull_Sharks.jpg|left|frame|The old 'Hull Sharks' logo]] The club did not join the [[Super League (Europe)|Super League]] until 1997. Hull and [[Gateshead Thunder]] merged at the end of [[1999]], after the owner of the two clubs could not afford to keep both afloat and Hull reverted to their original name, Gateshead later reforming as a new club but retaining the Thunder tag. Ex-[[St Helens RFC|St Helens]] and Gateshead Thunder coach [[Shaun McRae]] was at the helm from 2000 up to 2004.

After 107 years at the Boulevard Hull moved in January [[2003]] to a £44m state-of-the-art [[Hull City Council|council-owned]] Kingston Communications Stadium, more commonly known as the [[KC Stadium]]. They are joint tenants at the stadium alongside [[Hull City A.F.C.|city's football team]]: the two teams have priority use at the stadium at the end of each sport's season, thus Hull FC receive priority during the early part of the football season, the situation being reversed at the early part of the rugby season. Shaun McRae left the club to return to [[Australia]] at the end of the 2004 season; he was replaced by former [[England national rugby league team|England]] coach [[John Kear]], who had previously been McRae's deputy.

In his first season at the club, Kear led Hull to the [[Challenge Cup]] final for the first time since 1985. Hull defeated [[Leeds Rhinos]] 25-24 in a thrilling final at Cardiff's [[Millennium Stadium]] to lift the trophy. Paul Cooke's 77th minute try, which was converted by Danny Brough gave Hull a 1 point lead, which they held onto after Hull captain Richard Swain charged down a drop-goal attempt from Leeds skipper Kevin Sinfield in the dying seconds of the match.

John Kear left Hull FC on 3rd April 2006 after a disappointing start to the season, which saw Hull FC lose 4 out of their first 7 league games and also their defence of the Challenge Cup being ended at the first hurdle against the [[Bradford Bulls]] in a 23-12 defeat, to be replaced by Peter Sharp who was recruited from Parramatta Eels where he was assistant coach. Between 14 April - 15 July 2006 Hull FC won 13 matches in succession, including a 27-26 defeat of the league leaders St Helens on the 8th June 2006. The last time they beat St Helens on their ground was 18 years ago. This run ended in defeat at Harlequins RL on the 23rd July 2006. Hull managed to finish in second place, their highest league position in the [[Super League (Europe)| Super League]] era. They lost to the league leaders [[St Helens RFC|St Helens]] in the first Grand Final playoff game, but succeeded in reaching the final by defeating the reigning champions Bradford Bulls. Over 20,000 Hull FC fans travelled to Old Trafford, but again they lost out to the Saints, this time by 26-4. The overall attendance broke the Grand Final record, mainly due to the stadium's recent expansion.

For the 2007 season, Hull have signed five players. Matt Sing, Hutch Maiava, Willie Manu, Danny Tickle and Wayne Godwin. Also, the ''Hull FC v Hull Kingston Rovers'' derbies are back for the 2007 season due to Rovers promotion from National League 1. The first of four of these derby matches was played on [[Easter Monday]], the 9th of April 2007 at the KC Stadium. The game was played infront of a [[sell-out]] attendance of 23,002 and ended with a result for the Black and Whites who had been strugling early in the season. The final score was 22 - 14 with [[Sid Domic]] crossing the line for the Airlie Birds in the dying seconds.

==2007 Squad==

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|[[Ewan Dowes]]
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|[[Garreth Carvell]]
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|[[Lee Radford]]
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|[[Shayne McMenemy]]
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|align=center|[[Halifax RLFC]]

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|[[Danny Washbrook]]
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|- bgcolor=#FFFFFF
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|[[Motu Tony]]
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|align=center|[[Castleford Tigers]]

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|align=center|{{flagicon|ENG}}
|[[Paul King (Rugby league footballer)|Paul King]]
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|[[Danny Tickle]]
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|align=center|[[Wigan Warriors]]

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|[[Willie Manu]]
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|[[Wayne Godwin]]
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|[[Graeme Horne]]
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|[[Richard Whiting (Rugby league footballer)|Richard Whiting]]
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|align=center|[[Featherstone Rovers]]

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|[[Hutch Maiava]]
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|[[Craig Hall]]
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|[[Tommy Lee (Rugby League Footballer)|Tommy Lee]]
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|[[Anthony Thackeray]]
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|[[Matty Dale]]
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|[[Scott Wheeldon]]
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|[[Danny Houghton]]
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|[[Mike Burnett]]
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|[[Nathan Freer]]
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|[[Ross Divorty]]
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== Captains ==
1997: Andy Fisher

1998: Alan Hunte/Gary Lester

1999: Karl Harrison

2000-01: Tony Grimaldi

2002-04: Jason Smith

2005-06: Richard Swain

2007: Lee Radford

==Honours==
*[[Rugby League Championship|Championship]]: 1919-20, 1920-21, 1935-36, 1955-56, 1957-58, 1982-83 ''(6 times)''
*[[Challenge Cup (rugby)|Challenge Cup ]]: 1913-14, 1981-82, 2005 ''(3 times)''
*[[Rugby League Premiership|Premiership]]: 1990-91
*[[Rugby League Championship Second Division|Division Two Championship]]: 1976-77, 1978-79, 1997 ''(3 times)''
*[[Yorkshire Cup (rugby league)|Yorkshire Cup ]]: 1922-23, 1968-69, 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84 ''(5 times)''
*[[Yorkshire League]]: 1918-19, 1922-23, 1926-27, 1935-36 ''(4 times)''
*[[John Player Trophy]]: 1991
*[[BBC2 Floodlit Trophy]]: 1979-80

==Records==

===Player records===

*Most tries in a match: 7 by [[Clive Sullivan]] vs [[Doncaster Dragons|Doncaster]], [[15 April|15th April]] [[1968]]
*Most goals in a match: 14 by [[Jim Kennedy]] vs [[Rochdale Hornets]]- [[7 April|7th April]] [[1921]], [[Sammy Lloyd]] v [[Oldham]] - [[10th September]] [[1978]], [[Matt Crowther]] v [[Sheffield Eagles]] - [[2nd March]] [[2003]]
*Most points in a match: 36 by [[Jim Kennedy]] vs [[Keighley Cougars|Keighley]], [[29 January|29th January]] [[1921]]
*Most tries in a season: 52 by [[John Harrison (VC 1917)|Jack Harrison VC, MC]], 1914-15
*Most goals in a season: 170 by [[Geoff ‘Sammy’ Lloyd]], 1978-79
*Most points in a season: 369 by [[Geoff ‘Sammy’ Lloyd]], 1978-79
*Consecutive Tries: 11 by [[John Harrison (VC 1917)|Jack Harrison VC, MC]], , 1914-15 & [[Richard Horne]], 2006

=== Career records ===
* Most goals: 687 - Joe Oliver 1928-37 & 1943-45
* Most tries: 250 - Clive Sullivan 1961-74 & 1981-85
* Most points: 1,842 - Joe Oliver 1928-37 & 1943-45
* Most appearances: 501 - Edward Rogers 1906-25

===Team records===
*Highest score: 88-0 vs [[Sheffield Eagles]], [[2 March|2nd March]] [[2003]]
*Highest against: 71-0 vs [[Bradford Bulls]], play offs 2005
*Highest attendance: 28,798 vs [[Leeds Rhinos|Leeds]], [[7 March|7th March]] [[1936]]
*Fastest ever try in both codes of rugby: 9 seconds by Lee Jackson for Hull FC in the Yorkshire Cup semi-final against the [[Sheffield Eagles]] at the [[Don Valley Stadium]], 1992 This [http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=44608 World Record] still stands today
*Only team to have won every single league game in a season: 1979 Division Two
*Most consecutive Super League victories: 13 games, (14/04/2006-15/07/2006, beating Huddersfield, Wakefield, Catalans, Wigan, Bradford, Leeds, Huddersfield, St Helens, Harlequins, Castleford, Catalans, Salford & Warrington).
Also made their first super league grand final but lost to St Helens in 2006

== External links ==

* [http://www.hullfc.com/ Official site]
* [http://www.hullfcpics.com/ Official Picture Site]

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MKM Stadium

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{{Infobox Stadium |
stadium_name = Kingston Communications Stadium |
nickname = KC Stadium |
image = [[Image:KC Stadium.JPG|300px]]|
location = The Circle, Walton Street, Anlaby Road, [[Kingston upon Hull|Hull]], [[England]] HU3 6HU |
broke_ground = [[2001]] |
opened = [[2002]] |
owner = [[Hull City Council]] |
operator = Stadium Management Company |
surface = Grass interwoven with astro-turf|
construction_cost = £44m [[Great Britain Pound|GBP]] |
architect = [[The Miller Partnership]] |
former_names = none|
tenants = Hull City A.F.C. ([[Football League Championship|The Championship]]) (2003-present) Hull FC ([[Super League (Europe)|Rugby League Super League]]) (2003-present) |
seating_capacity = 25,404 ([[Football (soccer)|Football]] and [[rugby league]]) |
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'''Kingston Communications Stadium''' or '''KC Stadium''' is a facility in the city of [[Kingston upon Hull|Hull]], [[England]], hosting [[football (soccer)|football]], [[rugby league]] and a series of pop concerts. It is named after the stadium's sponsors, [[Kingston Communications]], and is owned by Hull City Council and run by the Stadium Management Company, headed by [[Adam Pearson]]. It is the first stadium in [[England]] to be built in a parkland setting.

The stadium is home to [[Hull City A.F.C.]] (football) and [[Hull FC]] (rugby league), as well as hosting musical acts such as [[Sir Elton John]], [[Bryan Adams]] and [[R.E.M. (band)|R.E.M.]] The seat colours are predominantly black with a white and amber band around the stadium and the word [[Kingston upon Hull|Hull]] depicted in amber and white, these colours being chosen to remain neutral to the black and white of Hull FC and the amber and black of Hull City. The stadium replaced [[Boothferry Park]] and [[The Boulevard]], grounds of [[Hull City A.F.C.]] and [[Hull FC]] respectively.

It has an all-[[seating capacity]] of 25,404, being designed as a single tier, asymmetrical bowl of approximately 20,000 seats with a second upper tier to the West Stand of over 5,000 seats. Future expansion to around 35,000 is possible, either by building-up the North, East and South stands or the addition of a second tier on the East Stand. Work could start within months, though this would ultimately depend on a [[casino]] and hotel complex being built nearby to finance the work.

Also incorporated in the Stadium complex is the 1,500 seat [[Gemtec Arena]] sports arena (previously known as the Vulcan Arena), [[skate park]], two multi-use all weather pitches, and a community learning zone, complete with classrooms, health & fitness suite, [[cyber cafe]] and [[library]]. In [[2005]] Gemtec Document Network replaced Vulcan Windows as the sponsors of the arena.

Construction of the stadium took 14 months to complete and the total project cost was approximately £44 million. The stadium opened its doors on Wednesday [[December 18]] [[2002]] and Hull City beat [[Sunderland A.F.C.]] 1-0 in a [[friendly]] to mark the occasion.

The KC Stadium has staged Hull City's recent climb throughout the English league. It first hosted the club's home games during the second half of the [[2002-03 in English football|2002-03]] season and the Tigers regularly attracted some of the best attendances outside the [[FA Premier League|Premiership]], but the level of support was not matched by on-field performances; Hull finished 13th in their first season at the KC Stadium.

However, in [[2003-04 in English football|2003-04]], their first full season at the new ground, the Tigers won promotion as [[Football League Third Division|Division Three]] runners-up to secure their place in the newly-named [[Football League One]] (previously Division Two). A second successive promotion, again as runners-up, followed in [[2004-05 in English football|2004-05]] and the KC Stadium is currently hosting Championship football. On its opening, the KC Stadium's visitors included the likes of [[Boston United F.C.|Boston United]] and [[Kidderminster Harriers F.C.|Kidderminster Harriers]]. Just three years later, the likes of [[Sheffield Wednesday F.C.|Sheffield Wednesday]] and [[Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.|Wolverhampton Wanderers]] are being entertained there. It has also hosted several [[England national under-21 football team|England Under-21s]] games.

The KC Stadium has also witnessed the rise of [[Hull FC]] from play-off contenders to championship contenders. Hull reached the [[Super League (Europe)|Super League]] Grand Final in 2006. It has become a regular venue for international rugby league, and has hosted [[Great Britain national rugby league team|Great Britain]] matches in both the [[Rugby League Tri-Nations|Tri-Nations]] and the [[Rugby League Ashes|Ashes]].

In a 2005 poll, carried out by property consultants Drivers Jonas and decided by football fans from across the country, the KC Stadium was judged to have the best access and facilities in the country.

[[Image:KC Stadium in day.jpg|left|thumb|300px|KC Stadium]] 



==External links==
*[http://www.kcstadium.co.uk/ Kingston Communications Stadium]

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Talk:MKM Stadium

2007-04-23T19:27:19Z

...adam...: Featured Picture

==Sad and pathetic==
I find the edit dated 27/09/2006 sad, pathetic and pointless:

Changing:

"The stadium is home to Hull City A.F.C. (football) and Hull FC (rugby league)" 
to: 
"The stadium is home to Hull FC (rugby league) and Hull City A.F.C. (football)"

is completely lame and must have been done by an 8-year old.

I'm not going to lower myself to their level by being petty enough to revert it though. {{unsigned|64.69.191.231|17:56, 27 September 2006}}

== Featured Picture ==

Please visit [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] if you are interested in having the picture of the KC Stadium raised to the status of featured picture or if you think that it definitely shouldn't be featured. Thanks, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:TFoxton

2007-04-23T19:23:46Z

...adam...: /* :Image:KC Stadium at night.jpg */ reply

==Image source==
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==MIDAS==

Please be clear about what MIDAS actually is. MIDAS controls the motorway variable-message signs (usually MS3 signals like [http://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/contractor_images/variable/01-Highways-smalls.jpg this one]). Also, gantry-mounted signs are activated - to show ''advisory'' speed limits. Note that MIDAS is not equivalent to Variable Speed Limits (called ''controlled motorways'' in official literature). VSL pre-dates the introduction of MIDAS by a few years on the [[M25 motorway]]. MIDAS is now integrated into the M25 and M42 controlled motorway schemes - but that does not make them equivalent. For information, MIDAS is now installed on much of the M25, M1, M6, M42, M56, M60, M62 and a few others - but only a small fraction (probably only about 40-50 km out of nearly 900 km where MIDAS is installed) have permanent speed cameras and mandatory speed limits.

If you don't agree with one or two bits of the information in a prior edit, please do not revert the entire article which removes all of the new information added. [[User:Richard B|Richard B]] 19:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

: OK, I think i got the system confused with the one in use on the M25.

== Boundary Commission reviews ==

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The BC recommends the new seats to the Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs (currently Lord Falconer), who has to agree them and then they go through the Parliamentary Process before being created.

For more see: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pbc/downloads/bce_q&a.doc

== Re: Boundary Commission Reviews ==

=) Thanks for the heads up on the reviews. I think I've touched every seat in the past few months! I know the seats are not created by the Comissions per se, but as I thought that was the best word I could think of in the context. Thanks for the message - I think there must be better phrasing but not sure what it could be [[User:Doktorbuk|doktorb]] | [[User talk:Doktorbuk|words]] 20:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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== [[Beverley and Holderness (UK Parliament constituency)]] ==

I moved this to just [[Beverley and Holderness]] because it's not necessary to disambiguate every constituency article in this way, just those which clash with the names of towns, districts or other entities. Most of the articles were originally created with "(UK Parliament constituency)" in their titles for the sake of simplicity, but general consensus is now that the shortest unambiguous form should be used. See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies]] for previous discussion on this issue. — [[User:Sjorford|sjorford]][[User talk:Sjorford|++]] 15:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

== [[League Against Cruel Sports]] ==

:But the 'League' are still a bunch of animal bumming townies who know very little of the countryside and eccosystems they say they are trying to protect!
::''(I tend to agree, nontheless rvt to previous version.)''
A sentiment without which Wikipedia would not be possible. Though I entirely disagree, bravo sir :-) — [[User_talk:Ciphergoth/Please don't use this|ciphergoth]] 22:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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==Regeneration==

Thanks for adding details into Hull article, it gives a starting point for others to expand on.

I recently picked up a 2 line stub someone had created on [[Princes Quay]] that I categorised & added an external link to. I wondered if you would not mind adding some details on Quay West to it rather than me just copy the bit from Hull article across there.

I will add link on Hull page when there is a bit more info in it to make it useful.

[[User:Keith D|Keith D]] 10:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure the [[Princes Quay]] page is worthwhile - I've added the [[Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion|proposed deletion]] tag - add your thoughts on the talk page. I think it would all be better in the [[Kingston upon Hull]] page!! --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 16:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, I'll have a look at those - they could be useful as a Wikipedia Gallery on the Hull page or be added on the [[commons:|Wikimedia Commons site]] --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 22:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Gatso ==

Nice bit of research. Thank you. [[User:TerriersFan|TerriersFan]] 22:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
:Cheers but I just built on what you wrote!! --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 23:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

==[[:Image:KC Stadium at night.jpg]]==

Hi there - just to let you know that I nominated the picture you put up for featured picture status. I really like and think it meets all the criteria, so fingers crossed. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually - if you could verify the licence that would be a great help to the process... see [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. You seem to have sorted it. Completely agree it should be featured. Added support for it on the [[Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/KC_Stadium_at_night]] page. --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 17:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah - decided to kill an afternoon making sure that the licence was cool - apparently all the pictures from the site are copyright free... Good call on the support - see how it goes. Cheers for that, [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I knew they were cos I worked for them, but I wasnt sure of the copyright licence, seems sorted though. Some strange objections put forward: see what happens anyway. --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 19:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I wondered how you knew they were free - I had to email and ask. I've ever-so-slightly edited it - the only problem is where the main floodlight has blown - but I still think it looks good. I really like the picture. As I see, we'll see how it goes. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T19:20:07Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ edited photo.

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]

[[Image:KC_Stadium.JPG|thumb|200px|A slightly cropped version, with the blown street lamp at the bottom removed.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the blown flood light isn't ideal. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Could you forward that e-mail to the permissions queu of [[meta:OTRS]]? I think it's permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] [[User talk:Makemi|(talk)]] 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Done and done. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''': a great picture that really stands out. --[[User:Tfoxton|TFoxton]] 17:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}
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User talk:TFoxton

2007-04-23T18:28:27Z

...adam...: /* :Image:KC Stadium at night.jpg */ reply

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T16:44:15Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ typo

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the blown flood light isn't ideal. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Could you forward that e-mail to the permissions queu of [[meta:OTRS]]? I think it's permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] [[User talk:Makemi|(talk)]] 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Done and done. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T16:03:46Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ emailed

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the blown flood light isn't idea. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Could you forward that e-mail to the permissions queu of [[meta:OTRS]]? I think it's permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. [[User:Makemi|Mak]] [[User talk:Makemi|(talk)]] 16:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Done and done. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T15:32:57Z

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===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that the blown flood light isn't idea. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T15:17:59Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ comments

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:I agree that the blown flood light isn't idea. Is there anything that can be done about that? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yep - just had an email confirming all the images in the image bank could be used for comercial purposes and to make derivative works. So that's the copyright issue cleared up I think. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T14:41:08Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ comment

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*<del>'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license.</del> [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid that's the [[Gratis versus Libre#Free as in beer versus free as in speech|wrong interpretation of "free"]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:36, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Er, if they are "copyright free" then we can use them. He didn't say "copyrighted but cost free". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 13:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I have sent an email to clarify that the image is copyright free, and to see if they have a higher resolution version of the picture. Hopefully the copyright issue will be cleared up soon. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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The Police

2007-04-23T14:38:09Z

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{{Infobox musical artist
| Name = [[Image:The Police-logo.png|80px]]
| Background = group_or_band
| Landscape =
| Origin = {{flagicon|England}} [[London]], [[England]]
| Genre = [[Rock music|Rock]] [[New Wave music|New Wave]]
| Years_active = [[1977 in music|1977]] — [[1986 in music|1986]] [[2007 in music|2007]] — [[Present (time)|Present]]
| Label = [[Illegal Records|Illegal]] [[A&M Records|A&M]] [[Polydor Records|Polydor]]|
| Associated_acts =
| URL = [http://www.thepolicetour.com Official website]
| Current_members = [[Sting]] [[Andy Summers]] [[Stewart Copeland]]
| Past_members = [[Henri Padovani]]
}}

'''The Police''' are a three-piece [[Rock music|rock]] band consisting of singer/bassist [[Sting]], guitarist [[Andy Summers]], and drummer [[Stewart Copeland]]. The band became popular in the early 1980s, playing a style of rock that was influenced by [[reggae]] and [[punk rock|punk]] music. The band's Synchronicity album from 1983 was number one in the UK and the US, and went Platinum eight times in the US. The band broke up in the mid-1980s.

The Police reunited in [[2007]] to perform at the 49th Annual [[Grammy Awards]]. They announced they will be touring together in 2007.<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20070212_police.shtml The Police return] - BBC Music, [[February 12]], [[2007]]</ref> and playing at the [[Live Earth]] concert in July 2007.

== Career ==
=== Formation ===
The Police were founded by [[United States|American]]-born drummer [[Stewart Copeland]] in early 1977. After the demise of his [[progressive rock]] band [[Curved Air]], Copeland was anxious to form a new three-piece group and join the burgeoning London punk scene. Singer-bassist [[Sting (musician)|Sting]] and guitarist [[Henry Padovani]] began rehearsing with Copeland in January 1977, and they recorded their first Police single, "Fall Out"/"Nothing Achieving," the following month. Acting Manager Paul Mulligan paid for the recording of this first single. In March and April, the threesome toured as a support act for [[Cherry Vanilla]] as well as [[Wayne County & the Electric Chairs]].

In May, ex-[[Gong (band)|Gong]] musician [[Mike Howlett]] invited Sting and veteran guitarist [[Andy Summers]] to form [[Strontium 90 (band)|Strontium 90]] with him, as a project band for a Gong reunion. The drummer Howlett had in mind for this band, [[Chris Cutler]], was unavailable to play, so Sting brought along Stewart Copeland. Strontium 90 recorded several demo tracks at Virtual Earth Studios, and then performed at a Gong reunion concert in Paris on [[May 28]], [[1977]]. An album with some of these studio and live tracks (with the first recorded version of "[[Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic]]") was released in 1997 under the name ''[[Strontium 90: Police Academy]]''. The foursome also performed at a London club as "The Elevators" in July 1977.

In July 1977, Copeland, Sting, Padovani, and Summers began performing as a four-piece version of the Police. Padovani's relatively limited ability as a guitarist meant that his tenure in the band was short, and soon after an aborted recording session with producer [[John Cale]] on [[August 10]], Padovani left the band and Summers took over sole guitar duties. This lineup of Copeland, Sting, and Summers would endure for the rest of Police history. Sting proved to be a capable songwriter. He had previously spent time as a [[secondary school]] English teacher, and his lyrics are noted for their literary awareness and verbal agility. Material in the later album ''[[Ghost in the Machine]]'' was inspired by the writings of [[Arthur Koestler]], and material in ''[[Synchronicity (album)|Synchronicity]]'' was prominently inspired by the writings of [[Carl Jung]]. "[[Tea in the Sahara]]" on the latter album showed interest in the work of author [[Paul Bowles]] as well.

The Police, along with [[The Clash]], are notable as one of the first mainstream white [[band (music)|bands]] to adopt [[reggae]] as a predominant musical form, and to score major international hits with reggae-styled material. Although [[ska]] and reggae were already very popular in the [[United Kingdom]], the style was little known in the United States or other countries. Prior to the emergence of the Police, only a handful of reggae songs — such as [[Eric Clapton]]'s 1974 cover rendition of [[Bob Marley]]'s "[[I Shot the Sheriff]]" — had enjoyed any significant chart success. The bleached blonde hair that would become a trademark of the band was a lucky accident, occurring before they cut their first album. The band, desperate for money, was asked to do a commercial for [[Wrigley's Spearmint]] [[chewing gum]] on the condition that they dye their hair blonde.

=== Recording contract ===
For the Police, their first album, ''[[Outlandos d'Amour]]'' was a hardship, working on a small budget, with no manager or record deal. Stewart Copeland's older brother [[Miles Copeland III]] heard "[[Roxanne (song)|Roxanne]]" for the first time and immediately got them a record deal with [[A&M Records]]. Originally released in 1978, the single was re-released in 1979, and it was then that the Police gained widespread recognition in the United Kingdom, as well as scoring a minor hit with the song in several other countries, notably Australia. Their success led to a gig at the infamous [[New York]] club [[CBGB]] and a grueling United States tour in which the band drove themselves and all their equipment around the country in a [[Ford Econoline]] van.

As with several other international acts of this period (e.g. [[Blondie (band)|Blondie]]), the Police gained early popularity in Australia through their first Australian tour. The band also had their first international hits in Australia before achieving popularity in other countries. The key factor in their early Australian breakthrough was that they were enthusiastically supported by Australia's only non-commercial rock radio station, [[Triple J]] in [[Sydney]], which in turn led to early exposure for their [[music video]]s on the popular national pop show ''[[Countdown (TV show)|Countdown]]''. In October 1979, the group released their second album ''[[Reggatta de Blanc]]'', which was a major seller in many countries and which spawned the U.K. singles "[[Message in a Bottle (song)|Message In A Bottle]]," their first #1, and "[[Walking on the Moon]]," also a chart topper. The instrumental title track would win the Grammy for Best Rock Instrumental Performance.

In March 1980, the Police did their first world tour, and they were one of the first major rock bands to play in places like Mexico City, Mexico, [[Mumbai|Bombay]], [[India]] and Egypt. The Mexico City show was filmed by Canal 13. In May A&M in Great Britain released "Six Pack," an expensive package containing the 5 previous A&M singles (not including "Fall Out") in their original sleeves plus a mono mix of the popular album track (from ''Regatta De Blanc'') "[[The Bed's Too Big Without You]]" backed with a mono live version of the ''Outlandos d'Amour'' track ''Truth Hits Everybody''. It reached #17 in the U.K. singles chart although chart regulations introduced later in the decade would have classed it as an album.

Pressured by their record company for a new record and a prompt return to touring, the Police released their third album, ''[[Zenyatta Mondatta]]'', in the fall of 1980. The album gave the group their third U.K. #1 hit, "[[Don't Stand So Close to Me]]", and "[[De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da]]", which charted in the United States. In subsequent interviews Sting stated that he regretted the rushed recording for the album. However, many critics would later cite it as one of their strongest efforts. It was the last album that they worked on as a band. The instrumental "Behind My Camel," written by Andy Summers won the band a [[Grammy]] for Best Rock Instrumental Performance. The song "Don't Stand So Close to Me" won the Grammy for Best Rock Vocal Performance For Duo Or Group.

=== Stardom ===
By this time Sting was becoming a major star, and he established a career beyond the Police by branching out into acting. He made a well-received debut as the 'Ace Face' in the film version of [[The Who]]'s [[rock opera]] ''[[Quadrophenia]]'', followed by a role as the mysterious visitor in the [[Richard Loncraine]] film version of [[Dennis Potter]]'s play ''[[Brimstone and Treacle]]''. He also had a minor solo hit in the United Kingdom with the movie's theme song, "Spread A Little Happiness" (which appeared on the [[Brimstone and Treacle (soundtrack)|Brimstone and Treacle soundtrack]]).

As Sting's fame rose, his relationship with band founder Stewart Copeland began to deteriorate. The increasingly strained partnership was further stretched by the pressures of worldwide [[publicity]] and fame, conflicting [[ego]]s, and [[money|their financial success]]. The Police's fourth album, ''[[Ghost in the Machine]]'', co-produced by [[Hugh Padgham]], was released in 1981. It featured thicker sounds, layered [[saxophone]]s, and vocal textures. It spawning the hit singles, "[[Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic]]", "[[Invisible Sun]]", and "[[Spirits in the Material World]]". As the band were unable to agree on a cover picture, the album cover had three red pictographs, "digital" likenesses of the three band members, set against a black background.

The Police released their last album, ''[[Synchronicity (album)|Synchronicity]]'', in [[1983 in music|1983]]. Notable songs from that album include "[[Every Breath You Take]]", "[[Wrapped Around Your Finger]]", "[[King of Pain]]" and the foreboding "Synchronicity II". Except for "[[King of Pain]]", the singles were accompanied by music videos directed by [[Godley & Creme]]. This album hit #1 in both the U.K. (where it debuted at #1) and the U.S. It stayed at #1 in the U.K. for only two weeks and in the U.S. for 17 weeks. It was nominated for the Album of the Year Grammy, but lost to the inevitable winner, [[Michael Jackson]]'s ''[[Thriller (album)|Thriller]]''.

The Police beat out Jackson in one category: "Every Breath You Take" won the Grammy for Song Of The Year, beating Jackson's "[[Billie Jean]]" in that category. "Every Breath You Take" also won the Grammy for Best Pop Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal. "Synchronicity II" won the Grammy for Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal. "Every Breath You Take" also won the ''American Video Award'' for Best Group video and nabbed two [[Ivor Novello Awards]] for the categories Best Song Musically & Lyrically and Most Performed Work. In 1983, Stewart Copeland composed the musical score for ''[[Rumble Fish]]'' a film directed and produced by [[Francis Ford Coppola]] from the [[S.E. Hinton]] novel. A song released to radio on A& M Records "Don't Box Me In (theme From ''Rumble Fish'')" - a collaboration between Copeland and singer/songwriter [[Stan Ridgway]] leader of the band [[Wall of Voodoo]] received significant airplay upon release of the film that year.

=== Break-up ===
Although there was never an official break-up, each band member pursued his own solo career after the Synchronicity tour ended in March 1984. In June 1986, the trio reconvened to play three concerts for the [[Amnesty International]] ''[[A Conspiracy of Hope Tour]]''. In July of that year, a tense short-lived reunion in the studio produced only subdued re-recordings of "Don't Stand So Close to Me" and "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da" (the former was released on the compilation ''[[Every Breath You Take: The Singles]]''). [http://www.tookooltokalypso.org/dssctm.html] By this time, it was clear that Sting had no intention of continuing with the band, having already released a successful solo debut LP in 1985, the [[jazz]]-influenced ''[[The Dream of the Blue Turtles]]''.

In 1992, Sting wed [[Trudie Styler]]. Summers and Copeland were invited to the ceremony and reception. Aware that all band members were present, the wedding guests pressured the trio into playing, ultimately performing "Roxanne" and "Message In A Bottle". Copeland said later that "after about three minutes, it became 'the thing' again." Also in 1992, Andy Summers served a brief stint as Musical Director on the short-lived "Dennis Miller Show".

On [[March 10]], [[2003]], the Police were inducted into the [[Rock and Roll Hall of Fame]] and performed "Roxanne", "Message In a Bottle", and "Every Breath You Take" live, as a group. The latter song was performed alongside [[Steven Tyler]], [[Gwen Stefani]], and [[John Mayer]]. Towards the end of the song, Copeland, known for tightening his drum heads until his knuckles turn white, as well as striking the drums with excessive force, was playing the drums so hard that the head of his snare drum broke. That fall Sting released his biography "Broken Music".

In 2004, [[Henry Padovani]] (the band's guitarist before Andy Summers joined) released an album with the participation of Stewart Copeland and Sting in one track, reuniting the "original" Police members in a performance for the first time since 1977. Also in 2004, [[Rolling Stone Magazine]] ranked The Police #70 on their list of the [http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939214/the_immortals_the_first_fifty/ 100 Greatest Artists of All Time].<ref>{{cite web| title = The Immortals: The First Fifty| work = Rolling Stone Issue 946| publisher = Rolling Stone| url =http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939214/the_immortals_the_first_fifty}}</ref>

In 2006 [[Stewart Copeland]] made a [[rockumentary]] about the band called ''[[Everyone Stares: The Police Inside Out]]'', based on [[Super-8]] filming he did when the band was touring and recording in the late 70's and the early 80's. Andy Summers' autobiographical memoir of his career during and before his career in The Police, was released in October of 2006 called ''One Train Later''. And Sting released an album of 16th Century classical music written by [[John Dowland]] (1563-1626) in cooperation with lutenist Edin Karamazov called
''Songs From The Labyrinth'' in 2006.

=== Reunion ===
In early 2007, reports surfaced that the trio would reunite for a tour to mark their 30th anniversary.<ref>[http://www.stingus.net The Police 2007 reunion]</ref> The concerts would coincide with Universal Music (current owners of the A&M label) re-releasing some material from the band's back catalog.<ref>{{cite web| title = Police fans may soon be walking on the moon again| work = The Mail on Sunday, [[December 31]], [[2006]]| url = http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=425595&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490}}</ref> The following statement was released on behalf of the band by a spokesperson at Interscope Geffen A&M Records and posted on Sting's official website: "As the 30th anniversary of the first Police single approaches, discussions have been underway as to how this will be commemorated. While we can confirm that there will indeed be something special done to mark the occasion, the depth of the band's involvement still remains undetermined."

On January 22nd, 2007, the punk wave magazine [[Side-Line]] broke the story that The Police would reunite for the Grammys, adding that the song performed would be "Roxanne". All this information appeared to be correct.<ref>[http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=P20272_0_2_0 The Police reunion at Grammys]</ref><ref>[http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=20666_0_2_0_C The Police to play "Roxanne" at Grammys]</ref> [[Side-Line]] also announced in its news coverage that The Police were to embark on a massive tour bringing them to cities all over the world. [[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] magazine later on confirmed the rumours, quoting Andy Summers who had discussed earlier in 2006 how the band could have continued post-''Synchronicity'': "The more rational approach would have been, 'OK, Sting, go make a solo record, and let's get back together in two or three years,' " he said. "I'm certain we could have done that. Of course we could have. We were definitely not in a creative dry space. We could have easily carried on, and we could probably still be there. That wasn't to be our fate. It went in another way. I regret we never paid it off with a last tour."<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003527290 Police Reunion Rumors Reaching Fever Pitch] - Billboard, [[January 3]], [[2007]]</ref>

Inside sources have admitted that the group has in fact begun tour rehearsals in [[Vancouver, British Columbia]], and that further details on the reunion tour would be announced in February, including a performance at the 49th Annual [[Grammy Awards of 2007|Grammy Awards]] on [[February 11]], [[2007]]. A local radio station, [[Rock101]], reported this information to the general public on [[January 24]], [[2007]].<ref>[http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003537984 Police Rehearsing For Tour In Vancouver] - Billboard, [[January 25]], [[2007]]</ref> There have been numerous sightings of the group and their entourage in the Vancouver area as expectation builds of a pending reunion tour.<ref>[http://www.news1130.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20070126_121150_5092 Police sightings in North Vancouver] - News 1130, [[January 26]], [[2007]]</ref>

The Police opened the 49th Annual [[Grammy]] Awards on [[11 February]], [[2007]] in [[Los Angeles, California]],<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6313865.stm Police to reunite for Grammy gig]</ref> announcing "We are The Police and we're back!" before launching into "Roxanne." A&M[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=2768878] Records, the band's record company, is promoting the current 2007 reunion tour as the 30th anniversary of the release of their first single and not indeed that of the band's creation. ABC reported, "This year marks the 30th anniversary of the release of 'Roxanne,' the single that broke the Police in the United States." The single was released in April 1978.

====Reunion Tour====
{{main|The Police Reunion Tour}}

==Personnel==
===Current members===
* Sting - vocals, bass (January 1977 - present)
* Andy Summers - guitar, backing vocals (July 1977 - present)
* Stewart Copeland - drums, percussion, backing vocals (January 1977 - present)

===Past members===
* Henry Padovani - guitar, keyboards (January 1977 - August 1977)

==Discography==
===Studio Albums===
* '''[[Outlandos d'Amour]]''' - [[November]], [[1978]] - UK #6; US #23 - US sales: Platinum
* '''[[Reggatta de Blanc]]''' - [[October]], [[1979]] - UK #1; US #25 - US sales: Platinum
* '''[[Zenyatta Mondatta]]''' - [[October]], [[1980]] - UK #1; US #5 - US sales: 2x Platinum
* '''[[Ghost in the Machine]]''' - [[October]], [[1981]] - UK #1; US #2 - US sales: 3x Platinum
* '''[[Synchronicity (album)|Synchronicity]]''' - [[June]], [[1983]] - UK #1; US #1 - US sales: 8x Platinum

===Live albums===
* '''[[Live! (The Police album)|Live!]]''' - [[June 13]], [[1995]] - US sales: Platinum

===Soundtracks and other contributions===
* '''[[Brimstone and Treacle (soundtrack)|Brimstone and Treacle]]''' - [[July 1]], [[1982]]
* '''[[Strontium 90: Police Academy]]''' - [[July 29]], [[1997]]

===Compilation albums===

* '''[[Every Breath You Take: The Singles]]''' - [[October]], [[1986]] - UK #1; US #7 - US sales: Platinum
* '''[[Greatest Hits (Police Album)|Greatest Hits]]''' - [[September]], [[1992]] - UK #10
* '''[[Message in a Box: The Complete Recordings]]''' - [[September 28]], [[1993]]
* '''[[Every Breath You Take: The Classics]]''' - [[September 12]], [[1995]] - US sales: 3x Platinum
* '''[[The Very Best of Sting & The Police]]''' - [[November]], [[1997]]
* '''[[The Very Best of Sting & The Police]]''' - [[February 21]], [[2002]]

===Videos===
====VHS====
*''Around The World'' (1982)
*''Synchronicity Concert'' (1984)
*''Every Breath You Take: The Videos'' (1986)
*''Greatest Hits'' (1992)
*''Outlandos to Synchronicities – A history of The Police Live!'' (1995)
*''The Very Best Of Sting & The Police'' (1997)

====DVD====
*''Live Ghost in the Machine'' (2001) – only released in Japan
*''Live '79 at Hatfield Polytechnic'' (2002) – only released in Japan
*''Every Breath You Take: The DVD'' (2003) – compilation of [[music video]]s as well as some live material and a [[rockumentary]] about the making of ''Ghost in the Machine''
*''Synchronicity Concert'' (2005) – live registration of the concert in [[Atlanta]] in 1983 (AUS #35)
*''[[Everyone Stares: The Police Inside Out]]'' (2006) – [[rockumentary]] film made by [[Stewart Copeland]]

====Laserdisc====

*''Every Breath You Take: The Videos'' (1988)

===Singles===
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
! Month of release (UK)
!align="left"|Song
!width="40"|[[UK Singles Chart|UK singles]]
!width="40"|[[Billboard Hot 100|U.S. Hot 100]]
!width="40"|[[Mainstream Rock Tracks|U.S. Main- stream Rock]]
!width="40"|[[Dutch Top 40]]
!align="left"|Album
|-
| May 1977
|align="left"|"Fall Out"
| —
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''—''
|-
| April 1978
|align="left"|"[[Roxanne (song)|Roxanne]]"
| —
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| September 1978
|align="left"|"[[Can't Stand Losing You]]"
| 42
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| November 1978
|align="left"|"[[So Lonely]]"
| —
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| April 1979 (re-r.)
|align="left"|"[[Roxanne (song)|Roxanne]]"
| 12
| 32
| —
| 21
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| June 1979 (re-r.)
|align="left"|"[[Can't Stand Losing You]]"
| 2
| —
| —
| 9
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| September 1979
|align="left"|"[[Message in a Bottle (song)|Message in a Bottle]]"
| 1
| 74
| —
| 2
|align="left"|''Reggatta de Blanc''
|-
| November 1979 (re-r.)
|align="left"|"Fall Out"
| 47
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''—''
|-
| November 1979
|align="left"|"[[Walking on the Moon]]"
| 1
| —
| —
| 9
|align="left"|''Reggatta de Blanc''
|-
| 1980 (Ger. and Fra. only)
|align="left"|"Bring on the Night"
| —
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Reggatta de Blanc''
|-
| February 1980 (re-r.)
|align="left"|"[[So Lonely]]"
| 6
| —
| —
| 31
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour''
|-
| June 1980 (UK only)
|align="left"|"Six Pack"
| 17
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Outlandos d'Amour'' & ''Reggatta de Blanc''
|-
| October 1980
|align="left"|"[[Don't Stand So Close to Me]]"
| 1
| 10
| 11
| 3
|align="left"|''Zenyatta Mondatta''
|-
| December 1980
|align="left"|"[[De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da]]"
| 5
| 10
| —
| 11
|align="left"|''Zenyatta Mondatta''
|-
| September 1981 (UK only)
|align="left"|"[[Invisible Sun]]"
| 2
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Ghost in the Machine''
|-
| October 1981
|align="left"|"[[Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic]]"
| 1
| 3
| 1
| 1
|align="left"|''Ghost in the Machine''
|-
| December 1981
|align="left"|"[[Spirits in the Material World]]"
| 12
| 11
| 7
| 6
|align="left"|''Ghost in the Machine''
|-
| May 1982 (US only)
|align="left"|"[[Secret Journey]]"
| —
| 46
| 29
| —
|align="left"|''Ghost in the Machine''
|-
| May 1983
|align="left"|"[[Every Breath You Take]]"
| 1
| 1
| 1
| 6
|align="left"|''Synchronicity''
|-
| July 1983
|align="left"|"[[Wrapped Around Your Finger]]"
| 7
| 8
| 9
| 17
|align="left"|''Synchronicity''
|-
| October 1983
|align="left"|"[[Synchronicity II]]"
| 17
| 16
| 9
| —
|align="left"|''Synchronicity''
|-
| January 1984
|align="left"|"[[King of Pain]]"
| 17
| 3
| 1
| —
|align="left"|''Synchronicity''
|-
| October 1986
|align="left"|"Don't Stand So Close to Me '86"
| 24
| 46
| 10
| 20
|align="left"|''Every Breath You Take: The Singles''
|-
| 1995
|align="left"|"Can't Stand Losing You" ''(live)''
| 27
| —
| —
| —
|align="left"|''Live!''
|-
| 1997
|align="left"|"Roxanne '97" ''(featuring [[Pras]])''
| 17
| 59
| —
| 38
|align="left"|''The Very Best of Sting and the Police''
|}

==Awards==
===[[BRIT Awards]]===
*[[1982]] – Best British Group
*[[1985]] – Outstanding Contribution To Music

===[[Grammy Awards]]===
*[[1981]] – [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Instrumental Performance|Best Rock Instrumental Performance]] for "[[Reggatta de Blanc]]"
*[[1982]] – [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal|Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal]] for "[[Don't Stand So Close to Me]]"
*[[1982]] – [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Instrumental Performance|Best Rock Instrumental Performance]] for "[[Behind My Camel]]"
*[[1984]] – [[Grammy Award for Song of the Year|Song of the Year]] for "[[Every Breath You Take]]"
*[[1984]] – [[Grammy Award for Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal|Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal]] for "[[Every Breath You Take]]"
*[[1984]] – [[Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal|Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal]] for "[[Synchronicity II]]"

==References==
<div class="references-small"><references /></div>

==See also==
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*[[Best selling music artists]]
*[[Sting]]

==External links==
*[http://www.thepolicetour.com Official website for the 2007 Reunion Tour]
*[http://www.sting.com Sting] - official website
*[http://www.andysummers.com Andy Summers] - official website
*[http://www.stewartcopeland.net Stewart Copeland] - official website
*[http://www.henrypadovani.com Henry Padovani] - official website
*[http://www.unratedmagazine.com/Movies/2006/ThePolice_EveryoneStares.cfm UnRated Magazine Review of The Police - Everyone Stares: The Police Inside Out]
*[http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=9947 http://www.jambase.com/] - Stewart Copeland Interview

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User talk:Bagel7

2007-04-23T12:50:01Z

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'''ANNOUNCEMENTS'''
''ATTENTION: [http://lyricwiki.org/Main_Page Lyricwiki] could use a lot of work, so if anyone is willing, I'd like some help with it. If you want to help, just leave a message on my this page. Thank you.''

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==Joke "New Message" banner ==

Hi there - just to let you know that I've removed the banner from the top of your userpage in line with [[WP:USER#What_is_discouraged_on_my_user_page.3F|this]], specifically that you can't imitate the user interface or link off wikipedia. Thanks [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hi again, and thanks for replying. Maybe [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:User_page#Simulation.3F|this one]] will clear the policy up. The problem is that the "you have a new message" box is an integral part of the user interface, as it is generated by wikipedia - much like the links to the left and above the content are.The fact that you linked off wiki isn't the problem in general, it is that you linked off wiki in a UI spoof (so it looks like wikipedia is directing you there) and you hid the fact that they are external by using the plainlinks class (so people don't know that they're being taken off site). Hope this clears it up as to why you shouldn't put the box back - any further questions, feel free to ask [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== A Thousand Apologies To You And Your Offspring ==

I slandered your good name in malfeasance of my wikipedian commitments. [[Queens of the Stone Age]] are not, as you rightly affirm, a supergroup. They do however, embody [[hard rock]], an incontrovertible truth which my hasty and inelegant reversion sought to uphold.[[User:Skomorokh|Skomorokh]] 00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== WikiProject Alternative music and sources ==

As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music|the Alternative music WikiProject]], we're gathering a list of sources on '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music/Sources|this page]]'''. Could you take a look and perhaps add any written references you have access to? Thanks! [[User:CloudNine|CloudNine]] 08:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==Pw!==

WOW! you sure have a long talk page... I would love to help with wikilyric! Oh, and thanks for you support on my pizza page. Even though it was deleted, it made me happy you cared... how touching... :-) '''[[User:Chiefsfan364|Chiefsfan364]] ([[User talk:Chiefsfan364|talk]])''' 02:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
==Rock WikiProject sign up==
You can sign up at the participants section of the project page. → '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rock_music#Participants|here]]'''. 
By the way, sorry I didnt see that you liked new topics at the top. I was doing invites by the masses. --'''[[User:Reaper_X| Reaper]] [[User talk:Reaper_X| X]]''' 03:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:And now I can say this:
{{User Wikiproject Rock music}}
- [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 10:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[WP:ROCK|WikiProject Rock music]] invitation==
Hello [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative music|WikiProject Alternative music]] member. WikiProject Alternative music, in my eyes, has proved to be successful "improving the encyclopaedic coverage of articles relating to alternative rock", and improving their quality as well. One specific example I have witnessed is [[The Smashing Pumpkins]] article. The page has gone from a mediocre work, to GA status, to FA nomination. Only appropriate, as the Pumpkins are undeniably one of the most influential alternative rock bands on the 1990's and beyond. 
This is the stuff I wish to achieve with the somewhat recently ressurected '''[[WP:ROCK|WikiProject Rock music]]'''. I hope to also attract attention to [[rock music]] articles of all sorts, and hopefully change some to GA or FA status. I invite you to come join us, and not only be a member of alternative Wikipedians, but the rockin' ones as well. 
'''''Rock on.''''' --'''[[User:Reaper_X| Reaper]] [[User talk:Reaper_X| X]]''' 02:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== Ahem ==
About a month and a half ago, I asked you a series of questions that you very rudely ignored. I find that highly inappropriate. Would you please review your talk page, locate my questions, and answer them hastily? It's not becoming of a Wikipedian to blatantly ignore a request like this. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 23:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You've embarassed yourself. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 23:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think acting like an imbecile, and making personal attacks constitutes putting someone in their place. If you had used intelligent discourse to get your point across, maybe your desired outcome would have matched up closer to the actual outcome. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 01:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== Wikiproject Paranormal Collaboration ==
Hi, I'm leaving you this message because I noticed you are interested in [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Paranormal]]. We're currently starting a new project which we need the help of our members in, [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Paranormal/Collab|the WikiProject Paranormal Collaboration of the Month]]. This is an initiative where we can identify articles that need work (especially high-traffic pages), and get the whole project involved with their improvement. Currently, we are in the process of voting for our first collaboration. We'd appreciate it if you'd stop by, vote, and add any articles you may think may be appropriate for the project. Also, you may wish to add the Collaboration page to your watchlist to observe future collaborations. If you'd like, we've also created a [[:Category:WikiProject Paranormal articles|category]] to collect articles covered by our project as a reference, if it helps. So, thank you for your interest, and happy editing! --[[User:InShaneee|InShaneee]] 16:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

==Just Checking Up==
I realized I've been out of touch from Wikipedia for a while so I'm just trying to catch up. The Warped Tour over the summer was pretty awesome. I was up front and three feet away from Tim (Rise Against) he came and stood on the railing they had holding everyone back. He had two security guards holding him up on there too. It was pretty intense. So all in all, just checkin up and letting you know I'll be on more often (school started and I'll probably be slacking off and coming here instead of working on projects and such). By the way how was the Red Hot Chili Peppers Thing? [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 13:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:I like to check up on it occasionally, but yeah I do the exact same thing with school, where I slack off on wikipedia. The Chili Peppers were awesome, and even though I could tell they were kinda tired (i saw their 2nd show near the place i live), they still put lots of energy into the show. the mars volta, who opened for them, were also good, but they werent gettin any love from the audience. everyone was there to see the chili peppers. i also saw the 'prophets and new found glory at another concert, although i only got to see the 'prophets do one song. i have to say, i really like the new rise against song ready to fall. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 03:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::That's pretty cool about the 'prophets concert. I wish they would have been on the Warped tour, I could have had an even greater time. Was New Found Glory cool too? But yes Ready to Fall is indeed a very enjoyable song, I have it on my phone (Vcast) but for some reason not on my iPod. *Shrugs* I'll get it eventually. [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 14:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, they were good for me knowing like 4 of their songs. I liked their energy, and some people in crowd were really pumped for them. w/e, it's cool. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 03:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

==Grammar issue==
I noticed that you listed yourself as a [[:Category:Grammar Nazi|grammar nazi]]. I actually have a grammar issue that I thought you might be willing to help with. It is regarding whether or not dances (like [[waltz]], [[Tango (dance)|tango]], [[Swing (dance)|swing]], [[ballet]], etc.) should be capitalized. There is currently a discussion about it at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance]] and [[Talk:Lindy Hop]]. We would certainly appreciate your input. Thanks! —[[User:Cswrye|Cswrye]] 14:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

==I wonder==
You asked me a question, to which I responded and asked a series of follow-up questions. Why have you not responded to any of them? [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 08:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Because ==

Small words are not capitalized in artist, album, or song titles. I did this before I knew it was against policy to edit other users' pages, so if you'd like, you can change it back. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 20:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a question though, why would you name some bands correctly (Bowling for Soup, Dead or Alive, Death Cab for Cutie, Kings of Leon, Puddle of Mudd), but clearly list the incorrect name for P!ATD? Seems strange to me. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 22:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I have something else that goes along with this. I'm interested in helping out with lyricwiki, however I noticed that many of the artists have incorrect capitalization. Is there any system in place to fix that? i.e. Harry and the Potters is not Harry And The Potters, etc. [[User:Evanreyes|Evan Reyes]] 02:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

==RE:Thanks, but no thanks==
Thank you for disambiguating in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bagel7&diff=69046029&oldid=68553061 this edit], but I didn't want it for my userpage. I'd rather just leave them ambiguated (is that a word?) Anyway, - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 19:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. Feel free to change it back, if you like. It's funny, I thought about avoiding userpages altogether, but a lot like yours seem so clearly marked, I thought it'd be lazy not to get to everything. Sorry if it caused any problems. [[User:Ace Class Shadow|ACS (Wikipedian)]]; [[User talk:Ace Class Shadow|Talk to the Ace]]. [[Special:Contributions/Ace Class Shadow|See what I've edited]]. 20:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

==Few Things==
Well for one according to a certain poster below me your birthday was a while ago (I checked your userbox too) so happy extremely late birthday. Mine was actually 3 days before your so thats cool . . . sorta? But know what I really came here for. One: I finally got the new prophets album and it is indeed amazing, and two: I'm going to the Warped Tour in Virginia Beach next Wednesday and I felt the need to gloat to someone so your'e one of my choices. You should feel appreciated. Think thats's about it [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 03:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
:Well, then even happy even more extremely late birthday. Wow, I'm getting confused. Anyway, yes I have been enjoying the prophets album, and thats awesome that you're gonna see that tour. I was thinking about it, but there are lots of bands that are questionable. So, instead, I decided to go to the Red Hot Chili Peppers contest at the end of August. So, there's my gloat I guess. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 17:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Happy [late] birthday==
Hey...happy [late] birthday! Hope it was a great one...(and you really want new conversations at the top of the page?? hmm...okay)--[[User:ViolinGirl|Violin]]'''''[[WP:EA|G]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/ViolinGirl|irl]][[User_talk:ViolinGirl|♪]] 00:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

==[[Wall Walking]]==
''Why did you redirect the [[Wall Walking]] article into the [[parkour]] article?''

Because the article specifically compared it to that. It was that, or speedy-delete it -- which I notice had been done already. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 05:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:That logic doesn't follow very well. If I compare [[karate]] to [[martial arts]], like "Karate is a form of martial arts" or "Karate is related to martial arts" does that mean we should incorporate the huge karate article into the martial arts one? Of course not. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 14:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

::Okay, speedy delete it is. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 23:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Hey, hey, hey, remember [[Wikipedia:Civility|WP:CIVIL]]? Dont just delete it, please allow it to remain a separate article. My argument was for restoring the article as an independent entity. It has enough information on its own to be an article. Please restore it. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 14:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Hey, hey, hey, read the top of my talk page. First and second points, if you need a hint. Also the relationship of [[Wikipedia:Civility|WP:CIVIL]] to the viability of an article is what, exactly? --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 08:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::I dunno, it just seemed like you said "speedy delete it is" and didn't want to hear my side of things anymore. I was trying to keep this conversation civil and intelligent. By the way, can I copy that list? I actually like it. It's funny. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 22:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

==New Album==
Are you getting the new prophets album? (I know its not the only band you like but not many other people around here like lostprophets so I had to ask somebody.) Oh and that Lyricwiki looks pretty cool, anyway I could help? - [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] (please sign your name, not that i want to be anal about these things)
:Hell yes, I'm getting the new album. Unfortunately, right now, I'm at an academic camp at Stanford so I can't get it until I get out of here which will be 2 weeks from this Friday. When I get home, I'll get it for sure. About Lyricwiki, I kind of took this into my own hands, so it's not official or anything, but just try to add and edit lyrics. Right now, its horrible. Finally, thanks for leaving a new message at the top. You're like the first person to do that. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 15:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::No problem about the message at the top thing. The huge icon at the top of your page is kind of hard to miss. Yeah I'm pretty psyched about the new album but I'm broke and I want to get the new Rise Against album out tomarrow to so i gotta earn some cash first. And a happy 4th of July to you! [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 02:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Thank you, I hope you also have a happy 4th. So far, a few people have ignored the top icon, but maybe now people will start payin attention. I'm into Rise Against, but I'm not sure whether I want the new album. I'll have to listen to it on iTunes or something before I'm sure. Oh, and my mom actually got me the album, because she knew I've wanted it for a while, so as soon as I get back I can listen to it. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 14:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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just so i can remember some stuff
==userboxes==
Hey, no problem. I <3 lostprophets. (how do you create userboxes?) 20:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[[User:WereWolf|WereWolf]]
:Simply scroll on my talk page to "Help:Starting a new page", which is how i create new pages, and follow the format that most other people user for userboxes. just for an example, heres the site for the lostprophets userbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:User_lostprophets&action=edit - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 03:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Sectarianism]]==
Good! (I'm not being sarcastic.) If you didn't find the article helpful, you probably have some idea of what you wanted to see there instead. Could you tell us, and hopefully make some contributions in that direction yourself? [[User:QuartierLatin1968|Quartier]][[User talk:QuartierLatin1968|Latin1968]] [[Image:Flag of Anarcho syndicalism.svg|20px|El bien mas preciado es la libertad]] 22:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
: hmm.... sorry i cant remember! :D my bad.... - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]]

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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bagel7&diff=57149159&oldid=57115904 It appears I deleted this warning at some point]. My bad. It has been restored. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 05:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

==PYRAMA deleted==
The people, places, or things you have written about in the article [[:PYRAMA]] may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own, and I have therefore deleted it in accordance with Wikipedia's [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion policy]]. The Wikipedia community [[Wikipedia:welcome, newcomers|welcomes newcomers]], and encourages them to become [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedians]]. On Wikipedia, all users are entitled to a [[Wikipedia:user page|user page]] in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be [[Wikipedia:Notability|notable]]. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. Please read over Wikipedia's [[WP:DEL|deletion policy]] and [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion policy]], and contact me if you feel that PYRAMA should not have been deleted; however, please do not recreate the article without first contacting me or seeking a [[WP:DRV|deletion review]]. If you would like for me to restore its content and move it into your userspace, please contact me, and I will do so gladly. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 09:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:I will gladly restore this article to your userspace, i.e. at [[User:Bagel7/PYRAMA]]; however, I will not restore it to the main article namespace as the topic is simply not notable enough to warrant inclusion in the encyclopedia proper. I'm sorry that you feel your work went wasted, but Wikipedia maintains standards of [[WP:N|notability]] for a reason. If you restore it again, the page will protected from recreation. If you would like for me to [[WP:USERFY|userfy]] it, however, I will do so gladly. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 01:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
::Will do. Do you want the history to go with it, or can I just copy and paste? [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 01:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Can you just take my original page and leave it like that please? Thanks. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 01:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Here is [[User:Bagel7/PYRAMA|the page]]. It is now located at [[User:Bagel7/PYRAMA]], a [[WP:USER#What about user subpages?|subpage]] of yours. Happy editing! [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 01:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Gahh, edit conflict again. I forgot we can't do copy and paste userfication, but in any case I have now userfied it with history to [[User:Bagel7/PYRAMA]]. Feel free to contact me if you need any more help. [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]] ([[User talk:AmiDaniel|talk]]) 01:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::No, I am just a [[Wikipedia]] [[WP:ADMIN|administrator]] who happened to see your message to [[User:AmiDaniel|AmiDaniel]]. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 01:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::: How did you know so much about Pyrama??? - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 01:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well being administrators we can see deleted pages. So we put the content you wrote on that page. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 01:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::But how did you know about George and Pyrama's history??? I didn't say anything about all that. I was amazed when you did. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 01:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bagel7/PYRAMA&action=history here] for the authorship of the page. I believe [[User:Joker Of Hearts|Joker Of Hearts]] added that. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 01:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

== To Whom It May Concern ==
My userpage was recently vandalized. How do I automatically alert someone of that, or make sure it doesnt happen again? - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 01:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Well if your userpage is vandalised you should just [[Help:Revert|revert]] the vandalism. I don't see any recent vandalism, so I'll look into removing it. If you add your page to your [[Wikipedia:Watchlist|watchlist]], it will show changes to it on [[Special:Watchlist]]. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 02:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::I don't see the vandalism. Could you show me where it is? [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 02:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh you removed it already. More information on this is availible at [[WP:VAND]]. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 02:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

==Appreciated==
I for one appreciate the fact that you did not capitalize the first letter of lostprophets on your page. I love them and thank you for being so considerate. But yeah, that was extremely cool of you. [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 17:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hey you're welcome. I'm just glad someone read my list, lol. I love lostprophets. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 02:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I skimmed through it, I read through the whole thing a second ago and now I must say, you have amazing taste in music. You're also the one person I know who even knows who Bodyjar is, and for that I congratulate you. That's awesome. [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 14:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, thank you. That means a great deal to me, as you may have been able to tell, since I created and spent time on the whole list. I liked most of the bands on your list too. I'm 15, so we should have similiar tastes in music I suppose. Peace, man, and stay with the cool music. By the way, when you have a chance, check out my forum. Heres the wikipedia page: [[User:Bagel7/PYRAMA]] and heres the real page: [http://www.pyrama.com]. I believe many things on it would interest you based on your userpage. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 07:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll check it out in a while. But I'm not gonna be on here much for the next week or two. I've got exam review and then exams themselves so I might be out for a while. Peace. [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 13:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Me too, dude, and it's going to suck. Good luck with yours and take care - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 03:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::Same to you, I've only got a week of school after Friday, and then its 3 months of R&R for me. Im psyched. [[User:Patrik with a P|Papa_smurPH]] 15:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

== How was i vandalizing? ==

I was making the information more correct, you say your forum was very influential... which is not true. you have 60 members WOW so infuential. sites with millions of members arent even influential. take you head out of your ass and smell some fresh air, what youre doing is falsifying information
:First of all, unless you are a member of Pyrama, you cannot make general comments about it. It does not matter if the information is factual or not, that site is part of my userpage, so I get to decide what information goes on it. And since I didn't want the information you deleted to be deleted, that is vandalism. Furthermore, restrain yourself from being vulgar please and there's no reason to start a flame war. Finally please sign your name using 4 tildes, which look like this: "~" - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 19:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::ok, ok wait. this is wikipedia, theres a reason i can edit anything i want, its to keep things accurate. if you dont want people editing your pages install your own wiki on your server and set it so only you can edit it. also, you are posting false info which im allowed to edit so its proper. im not changing it to "OMFG THIS SITE SUKS, IMA HAX0RS IT UP BITCH" im simply correcting an error. on that note lets look at the definition of vandalism

::van·dal·ism P Pronunciation Key (vndl-zm)
::n.
::Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property.

::yep, nothing destructed there. just doing my job as a wiki community user. oh and no, i will not sign my name and before you start tossing around an "ill ban you, ban you good with my giant baning stick!" think about proxies. banning does nothing.
:::Take it easy buddy. Look again. That page is part of MY userpage, meaning I decide what content is on there. It's fine if you edit it, but I may change it to nonfactual information, because it's not a REAL page. It's part of my userpage. Very good, you can use a dictionary. I only ask you to sign your name because that is the normal procedure we use here at wikipedia. I'm just warning you. Don't worry, you still have several more chances before your proxy is banned - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 06:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::: OH NO DONT BAN MY PROXY! I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER! seriously, you missed my point about the proxy, its not my real ip, i can change it whenever i want. banning me will waste 2 min of my time as i change my proxy. speaking of wasting time, yeah, i know how to use a dictionary. its a very very useful tool when you want to show someone they are using a word wrong. and no, i will not sign my name, just because you people here at wikipedia have a standard procedure of what it is you do here doesnt mean that the rest of the world has to follow it, or ever will for that matter. oh and reading your first reply you said i have to be a member, well i was.

::::: Oh wait, I've got an idea, why don't you stop using little proxies to fool around and use your own I.P. address to make useful edits, not stupid little ones to someone's userpage. Hey, if I had been using that word incorrectly then I would have warmly thanked you for your definition. HOWEVER, you were willingly destructing my userpage. How were you destructing it? You were falsifying information that I wanted on it. I don't care if you don't think Pyrama is influential. MY OPINION is that it is. AND, on my userpage, I am allowed to state my opinion without having some upstart wannabe-hacker who thinks he can mess around with proxies so he's all that mess around with it. I never said you had to follow procedure, I merely suggested it. Oh really? Please tell me your screenname on Pyrama. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 19:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

== Userpage vandalism ==

Your warning is just as official is mine would be. However, there are prewritten templates you can use. Simply type <nowiki>{{subst:test}}</nowiki> the first time someone vandalises, the second time <nowiki>{{subst:test2}}</nowiki>, and keep going. Make sure it is the same person before going up a level. Once they vandalise past level 4, stop and leave a message at [[WP:AIV]] and and admin will come investigate. Happy editing! [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 04:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
: Ok, thanks - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 04:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, sorry, it was a typo. It should have been "subst:", not "susbt:". I fixed the typos, and it should work now. Sorry! [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]]

:::Yes, you can and should give IP addresses more then one warning if they vandalize past their first. '''Open''' proxies should be blocked immediately and forever, report them to [[WP:OP]], however ISPs who assign IPs dynamicly, like AOL, should not be reported. Contact me if you have problems with this, I can always [[WP:SPP|semi-protect]] your userpage if it gets bad. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 03:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

::Since you are not an administrator, you should not warn past a test4, after that [[WP:AIV|contact a sysop]]. [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 03:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

:The proxy that you warned has been blocked See [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Naconkantari&page=User%3A72.232.69.220]/ [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 03:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

:thanks - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 05:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

== My Talk Page ==

Please don't delete comments on my talkpage. If you wrote the statment then please use a strike through if you no longer with to express that. —[[User:David618|David618]] [[User talk:David618|t]] [[User:David618/Esperanza|e]] 20:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:How do I use a strike through? - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 22:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::Use <s> </s>. Did you add those comments? —[[User:David618|David618]] [[User talk:David618|t]] [[User:David618/Esperanza|e]] 23:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok. What comments are you referring to? - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 03:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
== Wikiproject Nintendo-Portal Notice ==

You listed yourself as a member of [[WP:NES|Wikiproject Nintendo]]. Please do see [[WP:P/P#|This]] proposal for a nintendo Portal.--[[User:Ac1983fan/esperanza|A]][[User:Ac1983fan|c1983fan]] ([[User talk:Ac1983fan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ac1983fan|contribs]]) 19:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
: I supported it. For future reference, please leave new messages at the top. thanks :) - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 01:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

== Bands ==

Dude, i just want to say, your favorite bands are my favorite bands. i thought i was the only guy who like [[Buckethead]] and [[Marilyn Manson (band)|Marilyn Manson]]!
[[User:WereWolf|WereWolf]] 16:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:Sure thing man, I'm just glad you liked my list, as it took me forever to make. Buckethead is pretty cool, and Marilyn Manson may be crazy, but he's still got good music. Peace. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 06:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Is the band your thinking of "Zecromancer" actually "Zeromancer?"

== Wikiproject alternative music CotW ==

Hey, we've set up at collaboration project at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative Music/COTW]]. Feel free to suggest or vote on articles to work on. [[User:WesleyDodds|WesleyDodds]] 00:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Alright, will do. By the way, please leave new messages at the top of my talk page. Thanks - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 06:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

== Additions to coaster infobox require article updating, need help ==

I've made several large additions to the {{tl|Infobox roller coaster}} template, which will require updating of EVERY article using it. These additions are automatic unit conversion for the statistics and automatic categorization. I have also provided full documentation of every parameter on the template page, which I strongly encourage you to read. Every article will need the following changes:

*These parameters must be delinked: location, section, manufacturer, and type. They will be automatically linked, and will (except for section) be used for automatic categorization.
*The type parameter must be Steel or Wood.
*The secondary type (Inverted, Floorless, Duelling etc.) should be moved to the type2 parameter. If a second secondary type is necessary, it goes in type3. In either case, don't link them, it will be done automatically.
*height, drop, length, speed, and restriction must have all non-numeric characters removed. height, drop, and length must be expressed in feet (using decimals instead of inches if necessary), speed must be expressed in miles per hour, and restriction must be expressed in inches. All of these parameters will automatically be converted to metric and displayed in both forms.

Also, the rcdb_number parameter should be added to every coaster article that doesn't have it yet.

If the article is about a widely-cloned coaster such as [[Batman: The Ride]] where the template covers multiple installations of the same coaster, the redesigned template will not be appropriate. For these articles, simply change the template to "Infobox roller coaster simplified". This is the old version, without all the automation.

I've already updated over 50 articles myself, but I can't do this all day and I'll need your help to get it done quickly. The list of pages using the template can be found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template%3AInfobox_roller_coaster here]. I'm sending this message to all listed participants of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Roller Coasters]]. [[User:Dusso Janladde|Dusso Janladde]] 07:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==Happy Birthday!==
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|align="left" width="100%"|Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the [[WP:BDC|Wikipedia Birthday Committee]]! Have a great day, {{PAGENAME}}!
|}Have a great day :) -[[User:Ladybirdintheuk|Ladybirdintheuk]] 06:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, uh thanks and all, but mine is on the eleventh. Not the tenth. Notice the birthday countdown on the top of my page. But I'll keep this for tomorrow anyway. Thanks again. - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 14:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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|align="left" width="100%"|Wishing you all the best on your birthday! From the [[WP:BDC|Wikipedia Birthday Committee]]. {{{1|}}}

|}

Many happy returns! Enjoy!

[[User:Thistheman|Thistheman]] 18:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== Brain Teaser AfD ==

To all WikiProject Roller coasters participants: [[Brain Teaser]], a kiddie coaster at [[Six Flags Darien Lake]] is up for deletion via [[WP:AFD]]. This isn't my article, but if it's deleted, it sets the prescident for many small coasters to be deleted, such as [[Mild Thing]], which runs counter to the Coaster Wikiproject and also will make a lot of park templates look dumb since they can't include all coasters. [[User:Dusso Janladde|Dusso Janladde]] 20:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

== Pop Punk Revival Merge Discussion ==

Saw you on the Punk WikiProject list... Your input is valued! - Sir, please check out whats going on there [[Talk:Pop_punk_revival]] and add you opinion to the "Merge Discussion" [[User:Xsxex|Xsxex]] 22:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

==Burbank High==
Hey, did you go to Burbank High? I just noticed you edit the page. I went there and graduated in '05.[[User:Andrew zot|Andrew zot]] 21:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, sorry. Just fooling around. :) - [[User:Bagel7|Bagel7]] 19:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music]] ==

Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music]]. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. I've taken an interest in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop]] and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to [[punk]]. Also, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the [[punk house]] article and specifically the [[Theta Beta Potata]] article which is currently in AfD (x2) at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination)]]. Please check it out and voice your opinion. [[User:Xsxex|Xsxex]] 06:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

==The Queen WikiProject — 2006-31-2006==
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!The Queen WikiProject needs your help.
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The Queen WikiProject is setting out guidelines for album and song articles and we need all the help of our members, whether its setting out guidelines, reformatting articles, or just some clean up. If you can help please do so in anyway you can.
*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Queen/albums]]
*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Queen/songs]]
|}

== Thanks ==

Thanks for signing my sig page! Although my Body Shop was deleted, would you like it if I made you a signature? [[User:Da.Tomato.Dude|Protect]] [[User_talk:Da.Tomato.Dude|Tomato]] [[User:Chiefsfan364/Pizza|Rights!]][[User:Da.Tomato.Dude/Autograph Book|(sign the petition!)]]

== Checking up ==

Good to see you are still here Bagel. Just dropping by. <tt>:)</tt> [[User:Prodego|''Prodego'']] [[User talk:Prodego|talk]] 01:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

==Member?==
Please sign the [[Wikipedia:Wikiproject Paranormal]] member list. Thanks. [[User:Reddi|J. D. Redding]] 01:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Get Fuzzy ==

The item you added a trivia section for is already in the article. Including the same comic strip! [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|(talk)]] 20:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

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|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
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Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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== Image DRV ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#{{{2|Image:Twiggy promo.jpg}}}|deletion review]] of [[:Image:Twiggy promo.jpg]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 22:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== "Replaceable fair use: comment for image deletion ==

Hi, I have noticed that you have deleted the image [[Image:Arashk Band.jpg]] which I had uploaded before by using the comment "Replaceable fair use". Sorry, But I can not understand what you mean as it is not explained in [[Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?]]. This picture is released in [http://www.arashkband.com/band.htm] and represents the image of Living Persons. Maybe last time I forgot to mention its source... --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 11:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oh! It is true. So what license you think may suit for a music band image that is made accessible through their own website? --[[User:Xaqzasta|Xaqzasta]] 14:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Heroes images ==

Ed, could you provide the specific reason and link to policy (as specifically as possible) for your removal of Heroes images? I'd like to know what we can do to remedy what you see as a problem. Also, could you provide an example of an article using a screenshot in a way that you feel does follow proper fair use? --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't removed any images. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::Here's an example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fallout_%28Heroes%29&diff=prev&oldid=103882224]. --[[User:Milo H Minderbinder|Milo H Minderbinder]] 16:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a redlink - the image has been deleted, check the history before making assumptions of bad faith. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== On deleting the screenshots ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pocket_PC&diff=99838567&oldid=99400190 WTF]? the screenshots weren't just a "gallery", they were used to illustrate the progress made during evolution of Windows CE. What's the next step, maybe purging [[Wikipedia:Main Page/Screenshots]] of anything but Mozilla shots? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 15:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:''Fair Use images are for critical commentary'' -- once again, why are they allowed on the aforementioned Wikipedia: page, which isn't even an article? --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 07:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== Replace images ==

You deleted four images with the following statements:

# "Image:Cdch.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Motherhousegrass.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)
# "Image:KS0801005a006.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 48 hours)
# "Image:Pow8.jpg" (replaceable fair use, 7 days)

All four of these images met Wikipedia criteria for posting and were documented on the page as to why they met the criteria. You removed those images. So I have three questions:

# What does "replacable fair use" mean exactly,
# What was your purpose for removing the pictures?
# Will you put them back?

--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 15:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

:Unfree images can only be used under our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use criteria]], the first of which is that a free alternative could not reasonably be created. Upon reviewing these images again it seems the last one is of a now non-existent buildings, but nonetheless had no rationale ([[WP:FUC]]#10). For the other three, any Wikipedian could go a take a photo of these and freely license them, it seems. If you want to upload the last one again, please read [[WP:FU]] to decide whether or not it would be suitable, and how to do it properly. Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::You didn't really answer my questions... but you gave me rise to others: What exactly is an "unfree image" and why exactly do you not believe these images do not meet the critera when permission was obtained, the fair use policy was followed, and the descriptions were given?

::I did some checking and it looks like you have a bot running to delete a load of images in a short period of time. Perhaps you should check the bot code.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 06:14, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:Firstly, I'm not running a bot. To answer your questions explicitly:
:#An unfree image to which "''a free alternative could not reasonably be created''" as I stated.
:#They violate our policy ([[WP:FUC]]#1), which is in place to encourage people to create more free content wherever possible.
:#No.
:An "unfree image" is one which is not free of copyright restrictions (free to modify, redistribute and sell without restriction). [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

::So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use and have to send someone else to take new photos and then get permission to use those instead? Why can't we just use the photos that we have permission to use in the first place?

::Precisely how do the photos violate [[WP:FUC]]#1 in the first place? I've read it several times and I just don't see any violation.--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 02:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:::"Permission to use on Wikipedia only" is not helpful to us. Images must be freely licensed, that is, permission must be granted to ''anyone'' to use them for ''any'' purpose (including commercial use and making derivatives works). The part of FUC#1 I am referring to is "''if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken''" - so if a Wikipedian went a took a photo of the building - (s)he could release it under a free license, and we could use it. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::What makes you think that we have permission to use these photos on Wikipedia only?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 13:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Because you used them under Fair Use. If you got them freely licensed you should say so. One has to assume you have no rights to use an image at all until it is demonstrated otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 15:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::Okay then, one more question (and it's not really one directed at you, I guess) Exactly why does Wikipedia allow us to upload pictures under the "fair use" dropdown option and then not let that image be used? Probably more philosophical in nature...

::Once I re-take all the pictures and upload them, exactly what "thingamajig" in the "dropdown box" do I select that will allow them to stay?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 18:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The license drop down box is a collection of shortcuts to commonly used licenses. Some images are allowed under fair use - however it also contains some "traps" - such as for buildings and living people - that automatically get marked for deletion. The reasoning is that if people get a "you can't upload that picture" warning they might pick a wrong license instead. Deleting images which we know are copyvios is much easier than detecting copyvios that have been labelled as "My work: GFDL licensed". As for uploading your own work, it's up to you which license you choose, although you are limited to ones which allow free redistribution and modification. I suggest also uploading to Wikimedia Commons so the images can be used across projects. The drop down box also gives some suggestions for licenses under "Your own work (best practises)". [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit to [[Template:CAhistory]] ==

Please see my humble comments to the template. This affects the featured article of the [[California Gold Rush]] and many other [[WP:CAL]] project pages. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:BTW, I am a member of that project. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::You can see my project tag on my user page. I am an active member and have a number of files on my Watchlist. I am up early to protect our featured article until [[user:NorCalHistory]] can review good faith edits to the gold rush article. [[User:Ronbo76|Ronbo76]] 11:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, that's great - but neither you, nor WP:CAL [[WP:OWN|own]] any articles. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== color in episode infoboxes ==

Hi ed, you [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Background Colour Tag|contributed actively]] to a discussion of the use of colors in Infoboxes for television episodes. In a drive towards limiting the amount of spin-offs of [[Template:Infobox Television episode]], this issue has again come up, and I was wondering if you would care to comment on [[Template talk:Infobox Television episode#Colors again|my ideas]] to come to a "best effort solution". Thank you for your time. [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]] • [[WP:TV|WikiProject Television]]) 04:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Featured picture promotion! ==

{| align=center border=0 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4 style="border: 1px solid #CC9; background-color: #cfc"
|-
|[[Image:Jack plug.png|75px|center|]]
|<center>'''An image uploaded by you has been promoted to [[Wikipedia:Featured picture|featured picture]] status'''</center> Your image, '''[[:Image:Jack plug.png]]''', was nominated on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]], gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]. Thank you for your contribution! [[User:KFP|KFP]] ([[User talk:KFP|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/KFP|contribs]]) 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
|}

== Just wanted to ask. ==

Are you the leader (or whatever it may be called) of the project United Nations?[[User:Yaanch|Yaanch]] 17:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Images listed for deletion ==
Some of your images or media files have been listed for deletion. Please see [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]] if you are interested in preserving them.
*[[:Image:Circle line.png]]
*[[:Image:Bakerloo line.png]]
Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 18:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:BadmarshandShri.jpg ==

I'm just a little confused at the moment as to why the image was deleted. As far as I know, I had what I took to be a fairly good reason (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), and, at the time it was deleted, the image had been tagged for 15 days, at which point I assumed the debate had been abandoned. Can you shed a little light for me please? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 13:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I had actually thought that the image was, given its frequency on sites that I took to be unaffiliated with either the band or the label, as free; maybe I was wrong there. Is there any other way I can find a free-use photo or alternative (given the restrictions that 1. I'm Australian, 2. The band's official site no longer exists, and 3. The photo that exists on the label's (Outcaste's) site may be copyright to them, and as such non-free)? --[[User:Jb-adder|JB Adder]] | [[User talk:Jb-adder|Talk]] 02:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Lcd layers.png listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:Lcd layers.png]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 February 22#Image:Lcd layers.png|Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —[[User:Remember the dot|Remember the dot]] ([[User talk:Remember the dot|t]]) 17:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== undeletion of jim gray img ==

Hi Ed, I wanted to let you know that I am undeleting the Jim Gray image you deleted recently. The reasons I feel it no longer is a violation of the first fair use rule are: subject is now dead, so no new free photos can be made, and a Creative Commons search on Flickr, Yahoo, and Google did not yield any free images. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] 23:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== FUC image deletions ==

While I might disagree on the pertinence of many deletion, I'm not opposing them, however, what I do want to gripe about is the apparent frequent occurences of deletions that do not even attempt to remove the links to these articles. It is my belief that littering articles with red image links is more damageable than having Fair Use images that might be replaceable, but are still consistent with the spirit, if not the law of [[WP:FUC]]. To take a specific example,when you deleted [[:Image:Mharris.jpg]], [[:Image:Mcguinty77.jpg]] and [[:Image:Eves.jpg]], you created 14 redlinks, 3 of which in [[List of Ontario premiers|a featured list]], not counting those that probably have been since caught since. Please take the time to deal with this issue when deleting images.[[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image:TopGear-Test-Track.jpg ==

You might wanna check the upload history. I uploaded an older image that was subsequently replaced (and I assume deleted by that upload by the system) with the one up for deletion done by another user. I merely helped in trying to sort out the fairuse stuff in a couple of areas. Ergo, your message was wasted to a now non-existant image that is acredited to me. Sorry that Wikipedia's coding problems led to the mixup. --[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not my image, so not my concern.--[[User:293.xx.xxx.xx|293.xx.xxx.xx]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==Your deletion of "replaceable fair use" images==

Hello! Tonight, I happened to stumble upon two articles containing broken transclusions of images deleted by you. Do you routinely delete these images without orphaning them? If so, why? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:There are about 50 such images uploaded per day, and a backlog of thousands. Red links, rather than bringing the whole project to its knees, just get deleted by other editors once noticed. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 12:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::That's unacceptable. The encyclopedia is written for '''readers''', most of whom aren't editors. When readers see broken links to nonexistent images, a highly unprofessional appearance is conveyed.
::The two articles that I found last night ([[Kaavya Viswanathan]] and [[Lou Dobbs]]) contained transclusions to images deleted on 7 February. For nearly a month, readers saw these broken image links. During that period, [[Kaavya Viswanathan]] was edited by three registered users and five IP addresses. [[Lou Dobbs]] was edited by five registered users and two IP addresses. Just think of how many people visited the articles and didn't edit them at all. (And who knows how long the broken transclusions would have remained if I hadn't stumbled upon them?)
::If you feel that orphaning these images is too much trouble, why don't you arrange for a bot to do it? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 17:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Like I said, the process is very time consuming. If these redlinks are such a great problem (I personally see the copyright violations as a more pressing concern), then one could easily have a bot crawl the deletion logs, however this is beyond my technical expertise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 17:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::::It's beyond mine too. Why don't you [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|request]] that someone else's bot perform the task? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== {{tl|allowedin}} ==
Do you still need somebody to code the bot? I don't totally understand what is going on but I should be able to do it. [[User:Bjweeks|BJ]][[User talk:Bjweeks|Talk]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==Photographer's Barnstar==
[[Image:Barnstar-camera.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''The Photographer's Barnstar'''</div>
Awarded to Ed g2s for improving Wikipedia with your photographic skills and contributions. You are appreciated! [[User:Cricket02|Cricket02]] 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, familiar talk page... :) [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

== Removal of custom kit on [[Vancouver Whitecaps]] page? ==

(kit template is for general colours, not sponsors etc. (they're also a copyright violation))

sponsors? its the bloody team name.... a lot of work went into those custom kits, the whitecaps fan community appreciated them, why would you remove them... i have permission to use the whitecaps logo... i know the entire front office staff and the director of soccer operations, Bob Lenarduzzi

and ive seen custom kits on other pages, are the whitecaps no good enuf to have custom kits...

-[[User:Morbital|Morbital]]

:"Permission to use on Wikipedia is not sufficient. Images must be freely licensed. No sports club would ever freely license their logo as it would allow others to use it commercially. You also have the kit sponsor in the upper left corner, and the team badge in the top right, which are both unfree. ed g2s • talk 12:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)"

::both the umbro and whitecaps logos are already on this site... but they cant be on the whitecaps jersey? are you kidding me? how in the hell am i comercially benifiting by spending my time trying to maintain a free encyclopedia to make sure it is accurate... quit being an ass, seriously dude —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

:::so whats the issue, sould i remove the caps a umbro logo... —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Morbital|Morbital]] ([[User talk:Morbital|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morbital|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Ev-In image... ==

Why haven't you informed me that you proposed EV-In.svg for deletion? It's your responsability to tell me, cuz i'm the uploader if you didn't know. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 03:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Photo removal ==

Hi. I noticed that you've removed all of the photos from today's FA. I understand you have good rationale for doing this, but I think having no photos in the main page FA makes Wikipedia look bad. Equally, Wikipedia would look bad by misusing photos in the main page FA.

Could I therefore invite you to check articles at FAC rather than waiting for it to appear on the main page? That particular article was at FAC for nearly a month. There was discussion there about the images fair use licensing, size, position, captioning etc and the cricket WikiProject would have welcomed your input at that point.

To that end, I'd like you to take a look at some other FAs and one nominee that I'm involved with, to check their images, [[Paul Collingwood]], [[Adam Gilchrist]] and [[West Indian cricket team in England in 1988]]. Thanks, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:One of the regular editors of [[Cricket World Cup]] is pretty insistant about restoring the fair use images you (in my opinion rightly) removed. Could you comment on the further discussions at [[Talk:Cricket World Cup]] when you're next around? You may also want to comment on the deletion discussion at [[:Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png|Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png]]. [[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']] 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hi. I see you've removed the images again. Please do respond point by point at the talk page. I (and I'm sure others) would find it very instructive for understanding fair use policy. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Learning loads. Generally speaking (ie not just about this particular article) I would presume that the "decorative" issue becomes quite subjective and difficult to deal with, with POV issues coming into play. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

==Evanescence==

Please, don't vandalise the Evanescence article. If you to test something, try the [[Wikipedia:Sanbox]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 21:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Check the [[User_talk:Armando12#Evanescence_main_article|discussion]]. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:Also check the [[Talk:Evanescence|Evanescence talk page]] before you delete any image. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 23:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You have made a revert, but between the last version and the version you reverted, were m,any significant edits. I'm also reporting you, you have violated the [[WP:3RR]] policy. Sorry, but you may be blocked. [[User:Armando12|Armando.O]][[User talk:Armando12|talk]] • [[WP:EV|Ev]] 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Except that I've only made two reverts. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 11:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use of band photos ==
Ed g2s, when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use&diff=115305150&oldid=115304862 removed your earlier note] and changed the indentation level of Matthew's comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use]] you made it appear as if Matthew was replying to Fritz, when he was replying to your comment. If you'd like to withdraw your prior comment, it'd be more polite to Matthew for you to restore your earlier message, but strikeout your comment by putting <nowiki><s></nowiki> before and <nowiki><s></nowiki> after your comment. Not that I think Matthew's comment is very sensible, mind you :-) —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:His message didn't read like a reply to anyone, unless I've missed something. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

::Perhaps not (see my last sentence), but he marked it as reply to your comment. Perhaps I'm being overly careful? I've only been around WP a few months. —[[User:RP88|RP88]] 14:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I considered using <del> tags but as I didn't bother because it seemed no one had replied to my comment. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== You really do wind people up, don't you ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WikimeetlondonPic7-19.jpg] I knew I recognised that jumper and untidy mop. Sorry if idle banter isn't allowed on your talk page by the way. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair point. Some day I would like to be as right as you are, but until then it's all a bit hit and miss. I'm learning though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 18:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:Good work on the fyi - had to sandbox it to get used to it but i see what you mean. Cracking. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] 00:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Template:Islam ==

Regrading [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Islam&curid=8367667&diff=116315943&oldid=116067402 this edit], is there any specific reason you changed the style of the template? --[[User:Bluerain|Bluerain]] [[User talk:Bluerain|talk]] 18:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Ipswich Town F.C.]] ==

Hi. I wondered if you could cast an eye over the images in this (the article itself is currently at peer review, if you want to comment on the text) '''before''' I take it to FAC! Much obliged. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 20:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Friends' photos ==

Hi. I'm requesting some photos from friends which I plan to upload. I've never done this before. What do my friends need to do to make them free use? Where will I find idiot-proof instructions to uploading, so I don't screw it up? :-) Cheers, --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== ::sigh:: ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Seven_Network_slogans&action=history — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 00:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
: Further, [[List of Nine Network slogans#TV Idents]] and [[List of Network Ten slogans#TV Idents]] seem to have the same contributers and thusly the same fair-use galleries. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion of DanielMendelsohn.jpg ==

Hello:

I noticed that you deleted the image [[:image:DanielMendelsohn.jpg]] last month. I received express permission for use of the headshot from the photographer, Matthew Mendelsohn, brother of the subject -- as I specifically noted in the image description. It should be returned.--[[User:Leflyman|Leflyman]][[User talk:Leflyman|Talk]] 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dominic West ==

If an image is replaceable then replace it, simple eh? Wikipedia should have good articles after all. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dmanning|Dmanning]] ([[User talk:Dmanning|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dmanning|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Photo ==

I've done one. It's on Commons at Image:Play off Final in Cardiff 2002.jpg

It's a photo taken by a friend of mine who has emailed it to me with permission for it to be freely used. Please will you review if it's OK for a potentially FA Wikipedia article. If so, please talk me through uploading it from Commons to Wikipedia. Thanks. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hooray! --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh guru of the photos (!), I've had a piece of feedback as a result of FAC on [[Ipswich Town F.C.]], "Image:Ipswich Town badge.gif and Image:Old ITFC Crest.gif lack a fair use rationale." How would I go about doing that? --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 14:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

==Re: [[:Image:ThorpeCC.jpg]]==
Well, it's true. For a moment I thought here is an image of Thorpe that could be used. I did not check for anything else as the license beneath clearly told CC attribution sharealike 2.5. Today's featured article without an image looking so bad, I did not hesitate to upload it :) Anyway, we cannot be sure. Regards.--[[User:Dwaipayanc|Dwaipayan]] ([[User_talk:Dwaipayanc|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments regarding a username change ==

Hi. I saw your comment on the talkpage of a user who recently changed his username. Ordinarily your suggestions would be well-taken. In this instance, however, the user is a minor who had been editing under his real name and has been subjected to serious off-wiki trolling and harassment. I know you were unaware of this but please be sensitive to this situation. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 16:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Revived discussion concerning fair use in portals==

I am contacting everyone who participated in [[Wikipedia talk:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals|the discussion]] that became inactive in December. Due to the length of the previous discussion, I have proposed a [[Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals2|new amendment]] and you like you to weigh in so that we may actually have a consensus on this matter as it doesn't seem there exists one either way. -[[User:Zappernapper|ΖαππερΝαππερ]] [[User talk:Zappernapper|Babel]][[Special:Contributions/Zappernapper|Alexandria]]

== Award! ==

[[Image:Barnstar_userpage.png|100px|left]]
<div style="font-size: x-large;">'''Barnstar!!!'''</div>
I, [[User:Walter Humala|Emperor Walter Humala]] hereby award you an '''Excellent Userpage Barnstar''', because dude...excellent userpage!!!! --[[User:Walter_Humala|Emperor Walter Humala ]] · [[User_talk:Walter_Humala|( talk?]] · [[User:Walter_Humala/HelpMe|help! )]] 21:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 14:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dear God... ==

I am wasting so much time on this damn website I may be in trouble with a capital "T" [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 03:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work - guessing no repercussions though? He is a silly little man, did he try and wrestle either of you again? And what on earth did Ben do to start a fight with some guy? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Anon ==

Think I should take my name off the user page then? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I'll bin it. Probably best to not let the little darlings know too much hey. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, are you stalking my contributions? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it quite flattering actually - like your grooming me almost. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Same here - CATAM going slightly less well than could be hoped. However, I am getting closer to working out what <div BLAH> does so that's always a bonus. Hope you don't mind that I'm tearing your page to pieces to figure it all out. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not allowed or will bot clear it up? ==

[[Chelsea_F.C._Reserves]] has [[:Image:Chelsea_crest.png]] on it - I've just deleted it but should I have? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== More questions (sorry) ==

Mind having a look [[User_talk:Yakuman#Bragg_Picture|here]], with regards [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melvyn_Bragg&action=history this] for me mate? I'm kinda sire I'm in the right and this guys just being anti-policy for the hell of it, but I have been known to be wrong. I was tempted to just revert it again but he's already slapped me with [[User_talk:...adam...#Melvyn_Bragg|this]] and I've already reverted twice and don't want to get bitch slapped out of this place for 24 hours if I'm in the wrong. Cheers man. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 14:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

PS I'm totally frazzled - I was reverting and editing from midnight until six this morning. I really don't want to do CATAM.

:I thought I was right and he was being lame and going against the policy. Thanks for looking at it - I was just getting into my stride by the time that guy got arsey - I think he was annoyed as I tagged one of his photo's as <nowiki>{{no licence}}</nowiki> by sheer chance (I've just been looking at edits at [[special:recentchanges]]). Ho hum. I start the course work tomorrow. Honest [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh - and what page is the the new policy on - the link you left was a red-un... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cheers - that'll be some good bedtime reading for me tonight. Have spent all day messing around with my userpage and I think ive just about got a hand of those <div> jobbies, and some template stuff. great fun. technically work as its gearing me up to use C right?? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 21:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[[:Image_talk:Mbragg1.jpg]] and there is a reply (identical) on his talk page. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

==What gives?==
First you threaten vandalism. Then you [[WP:Stalk]] me and protect another user's vandalism, apparently just to lash out at me. You seem bent on disruption. I ask that you stop this immediately. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:GAME]]. Admin status does not exist so one can retalliate against one's perceived opponents. By "protecting" the page, you left vandalism intact, which is not constructive. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

===Your pattern of disruptive behavior===
Well, you've now gone digging through images I've posted, in order to challenge them. You even went through the article on [[Fashion House]], even though that series did not even air in the UK. In just two days:

# You disrupt and remove my contribution without discussion, consensus or a clear justification.
#: Enforcing policy does not require consensus, nor is it disruptive.
# I challenge this action and you dare me to take you into arbitration.
#: I invited you to seek the opinion of a third party as you clearly didn't believe me.
# You take my words and quote them out of context on a high-traffic talk page, along with your dare. This thinly-veiled mockery resulted in a [[WP:ATTACK| personal attack]] being directed at me by an unrelated person.
#:Your comment was give in context, underneath my original post. I was inviting further input as you had not seeked it yourself. I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You dig around and interject yourself into an unrelated edit dispute, about which you know nothing.
#: I protected a page being edit-warred on, knowledge of the dispute is not required. I did not get involved in the dispute.
# You lock the disputed page, which freezes another editor's vandalism, then arrogantly dismiss both parties.
#: There was no vandalism, please read [[WP:VANDAL]] for a definition. I did not dismiss any argument.
# Your talk page contains comments about how I am "lame" and an unrelated person is an "ass."
#: Again, I am not responsible for other users' conduct.
# You start multiple (and, I believe, spurious) free content disputes on several of my contributions, about which there were no previous complaints.
#: You uploaded multiple replaceable unfree images.
# As a "sysop," you have more power over the system than I do -- and evidently your believe you can get away with this because of status and "policy."
#: I believe I can enforce policy, as can any other user, admin or not. I am just as accountable as any other user, so if you still think I have done something wrong, feel free to report it as I see nothing wrong with my actions. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

In conclusion, this clearly fits the category of [[WP:STALK]] or [[WP:HARASS]] and possibly [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:GAME]]. The rules apply to "sysops" too. Please cease and desist. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not a sufficient response. You are not "enforcing policy." All of your statements above are either false or misleading, but time and space do not permit me to answer them in full. You have singled me out for abuse because I challenged you on a debatable matter of interpretation. You give no apologies, nor do you seem to understand the disruption you are creating. You clearly do not believe the rules apply to you, as you are carrying out a chain of harrassing actions. You refuse to see anything wrong with your actions. Please stop and think, then try to come to an aimiable resolution of this matter. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Remove screen shots? ==

[[List_of_The_Mighty_Boosh_episodes]]?? I'm pretty sure you'll say they have to go - I'm just checking [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 17:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
:cool - i'll do it soon, Ive left a message in the talk page and if noone complains then ill just do it. On a separate note, that guy has a real axe to grind about free use policy and driving things forwards. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, just ignore it. He can complain all he likes as long as he doesn't start re-uploading images, or edit-warring again. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
PS, I think we both need to start working. But first things first, poker tonight. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 19:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I know - i'm just knobbing around here. About 400 edits in the last 3 days is a bit too much I think. I've got no idea what was up that guys ass but he's shut up now... best of luck and all. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

"Up that guys ass?" Please read [[WP:POINT]] and [[WP:AGF]] at your earliest convenience. [[User:Yakuman|Yakuman (数え役満)]] 22:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==free images==
Is it your contention that fair use images ought to be deleted ''before'' a free replacement is found? If so, where is this codified in policy/guidelines? What is the correct, community-approved procedure for such action? Feel free to reply on my talk page or here. Thanks, [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 18:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, per [[WP:FUC]]#1 and the [[Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy]]. The reasoning being that the unfree material is allowed, it will discourage people from finding a free replacement. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 18:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::The Wikimedia foundation resolution that you cite states that ''existing media under such licenses should go through a discussion process where it is determined whether such a rationale exists.'' You seem to be circumventing community participation is such a process and deleting in spite of objections. Hence, your deletions seem to be to be unilateral actions that are ''not'' under the umbrella of said resolution. Can you show me a Wikipedia policy which enjoys community support that says that this means of deleting fair use images is correct? If not, we need to develop a process. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
::Also, would you agree that if Sobran died tomorrow that the image that you deleted could be restored? What about for individuals who are missing but presumed alive? [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 19:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:::The policy says there has to be a process, not that you should unilaterally create a template that lends the appearance of process to actions that you take independently of community oversight. The process, in order to be legitimate, should allow the community to weigh in on whether the rationale offered for a particular fair use image is acceptable. You appear to be gaming the system to me. You say ''The en policy is to speedy delete non-compliant images after 48 hours.'' As you know, the speedy delete policy allows for a 48-hour deletion turnaround for "invalid fair-use claims." Others are contesting your pronouncement of the invalidity of these images, and so speedy deletion is inappropriate and gives the appearance of bullying, especially to a relative newcomer like Yakuman. I think that you need to carefully lay out the rationale for your actions, rather than soldier on as if this project did not require collaboration with others. Whatever your mission is, it isn't more important than maintaining community involvement in the encyclopedia project. [[User:DickClarkMises|DickClarkMises]] 20:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Flikr Permission==

Hey, I asked the person who owns [[:Image:Boosh.jpg|this]] if he would release the copyright to it and he agreed, but I don't know how to do that so could you tell me? The guy has said that he's happy to do whatever he needs to to release the copyright. Cheers mate. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 15:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:The Flickr page seem to have vanished. Flickr has options to release images under Creative Commons licenses. He'd have to choose cc-by or cc-by-sa (if he uses nc (non-commercial) and/or nd (non-derivs) we can't use it). Any evidence of him saying he wants the images available under some specific free license will do, but emailing permissions at wikimedia is the best way. Also make sure it is a DVD screencap... [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I've obviously knobbed this whole thing up. shigh. the image is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/63587006@N00/406787783/ here], and the guy said he'll release it. whats this about dvd??? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

(Also, how do you link to en from commons???) [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 16:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

:In the words of Rachel Morris - for flips sake. Sorry mate, I just guessed that the guy had a really good seat, and a good camera. Never mind - I'll find a free one with your tool (if I use that I can just upload and stick on the cc template right?).

when you link to en, does it come up as en:Some Page?? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contribs]]) 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Thought so. Bit lame but I can live - just checking that I didn't miss a neat trick. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak_Enforcer|This]] may be useful - i need a 24 hour break. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 19:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Replacable fair use to be decided... ==

Hey. This has been on my mind for a little while, but I was wondering why the replaceable fair use images had now been split with the introduction of your new template bak in February. What exactly is the significance of this template in regards to the other one, as it makes the backlog appear much larger, though it's probably not.
I guess what I'm asking is was there a discussion on your rfu2 template I missed, or did you just go and add it? Since the addition of it, the backlog is now immense and quite intimidating to admins. I'm not opposed to it or anything, just wondering why it was created really.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks.--[[User:Wizardman|Wizardman]] 18:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Orphaned fair use image (Image:NASA Worm logo.png)==
Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:NASA Worm logo.png]]'''. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, the image is currently [[WP:O|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see [[Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy|our fair use policy]]).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you. [[User:King of Hearts|King of]] [[User:King of Hearts|&hearts;]] [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 18:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:Redundant to SVG, speedy deleted. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 16:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== thoughts? ==

Can I get your input on [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Image:Flatout2 scr2.jpg]]? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 15:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:SCOTUSCase]] ==

Please read the comments on the talk page and respond and gain consensus before changing a widely-used and accepted template. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] 23:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Could you take a look at this ==

I've attempted to dispute the fair use claim on [[:Image:019.jpg]] on the grounds that the specific use is not spelled out in the fair use rationale and another user is acting like I have no right to do so. Would you mind giving your opinion on the matter. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] 05:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think what Jay means to say is: "Please come to my aid, I ran into a disagreement, and your immediate intervention is necessary to intimidate the opposing party." To be clear: aside from bad faith accusations of vandalism and disruption, Jay has put absolutely no effort in dispute resolution. ˉˉ[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']][[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Caption used for the Titanic bow image, on April 14 2007's main page ==

Hi Ed,

apologies in advance if you are not the person I should address this to:

:''The shipwreck had been underwater for just under 95 years at the time of the photo.''

The [[RMS Titanic]] entry, though, seems to state that the photo is from a 1985 French expedition, which would give about 1985 - 1912 = 73 years. And, of course, 95 years would mean instead that the photo has been taken this year. Which one?

Thanks, [[User:Gennaro Prota|Gennaro Prota]][[User talk:Gennaro Prota|•Talk]] 11:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== ArbCom ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&oldid=121732683#Davesmith33 This] is the RfAr I was talking about - if you're interested. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== Radiohead cover ==

This is the album with the cover of Radiohead on it: [[Version_%28album%29]]. Trivia - love it. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 20:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== The Police ==

Could you please reply to my comments on [[Talk:The_Police#Fair_Use]]? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, [[User:Maartenvdbent|Maartenvdbent]] 15:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lost logo ==
There was no copyvio in the image you recently deleted.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, it was entirely different from the "free promo photo" and the only problem with it was just I licensed it by mistake as "fair use". And, actually it wasn't the lost logo. It was a image created by me, its source being a self-taken image, precisely a screenshot. No one holds the copyright over a "I hate Lost" image.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== template question ==

{{tl|DVDcover}} only has one criteria for using the image under fair-use, and that is "'''to illustrate the DVD in question'''". Doesn't this effectively open the door to simply allowing fair-use image galleries of DVD covers; or simply allowing people to use DVD covers to decorate any "DVD releases" section w/o any comment or critical commentary?I realize that [[WP:NFCC#8]] prohibits doing so, but the template counters it. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, I realize! :^) But shouldn't the template be amended to comply with policy? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]]''' | 20:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== id="FUC" -> "NFCC" ==

Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria&curid=2747122&diff=124950529&oldid=124503706 this] edit, I would suggest keeping both ids for backwards compatibility, at least during a couple of months. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 20:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding userpages ==

Are you telling me [[:Image:NGC 4414 (NASA-med).jpg]] is a non free image and cannot be used on userpages? Check the file links please.--[[User:Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] 20:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

==Decorative use of sports logos==
Hi Ed, I know you are very involved in enforcing proper use of sports logos. I'm having issues regarding that at [[2007 NHL Entry Draft]] which has also spilt onto my talk page. [[User:Ccwaters|ccwaters]] 00:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[:KC Stadium at night.jpg]]==

Just got
{{cquote|All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free.

Regards

Rob Walton DipM ACIM
E-Marketing Manager
Marketing Communications
Yorkshire Forward}}

What licence, if any, would this be classed as then? Or is it a no go? Cheers mate [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T12:26:01Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ typo

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

{{-}}
<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-23T12:25:26Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ copyrigth but free

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* No license. http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/imagebank.asp has no mention of usage restrictions or otherwise. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 23:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
* "Copyright: If you want to re-use or reproduce the publications or information provided by Yorkshire Forward from a request under the Freedom of Information Act (for example, commercially or for circulation to third parties) you may need to apply for a copyright licence." [http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=1739&parent_id=419] [[User:Clh288|Chris H]] 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Dusty, maybe even a stray hair, and the lights are blurred and blown.--[[User:HereToHelp|Here]][[User talk:HereToHelp|'''T''']][[User:HereToHelp|oHelp]] 00:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Close nomination''' due to incorrect license. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 10:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

{{-}}
::I recieved an email from the website operators saying "All images on our Image Bank are copyright and cost free." - I have no idea what licence, specifically, this would transfer to but it sounds like the image is fair game. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 12:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Hull City A.F.C.

2007-04-23T12:21:16Z

...adam...: /* Trivia */ removing a spare square bracket

{{Infobox Football club |
clubname = Hull City |
image = [[Image:Hull_City_badge.jpg|150px|Hull City badge]] |
fullname = Hull City Association Football Club |
nickname = The Tigers |
founded = [[1904]] |
ground = [[KC Stadium]] [[Kingston upon Hull]] |
capacity = 25,404 |
chairman = {{flagicon|England}} [[Adam Pearson]] |
manager = {{flagicon|England}} [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]]|
league = [[Football League Championship|The Championship]] |
season = [[2005-06 in English football|2005-06]] |
position = [[Football League Championship|Championship]], 18th |
pattern_la1=_shouldersonblack|pattern_b1=_blackstripes|pattern_ra1=_shouldersonblack|
leftarm1=FF8000|body1=FF8000|rightarm1=FF8000|shorts1=000000|socks1=000000|
pattern_la2=_blackshoulders|pattern_b2=_thinwhitesides|pattern_ra2=_blackshoulders|
leftarm2=FFFFFF|body2=000000|rightarm2=FFFFFF|shorts2=FFFFFF|socks2=000000|
}}
'''Hull City Association Football Club''' are an [[England|English]] [[football (soccer)|football]] team based at the [[KC Stadium]] ([[Kingston Communications]] Stadium) in [[Kingston upon Hull]], [[East Riding of Yorkshire]]. They play in black and amber stripes, hence their nickname: "The [[Tiger]]s".

The highest position Hull City have ever finished in the English football league is 3rd in the [[Football League Second Division|Old Second Division]], today's equivalent of which is the [[Football League Championship|Championship]] where the club are currently playing. Their best achievement in cup competitions was reaching the semi-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in 1930.

==History==
Hull City A.F.C. were founded on [[28 June]] [[1904]]. For some years prior to this attempts were made to found a [[football (soccer)|football]] club, but in a city dominated initially by [[rugby league]] with the likes of [[Hull FC]] and [[Hull KR]] this proved difficult.

The first season for Hull City consisted of friendly matches; because of the time of founding, City were unable to apply for membership to [[The Football League]] for the 1904-05 season. The early matches were played at [[The Boulevard (Stadium)|The Boulevard]], home of rugby league side Hull FC. On [[1 September]] [[1904]], City's debut match took place against [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]; with 6000 in attendance at the Boulevard, City notched up an impressive start holding the more experienced County to a 2-2 draw.

Hull's first taste of competitive football came in the [[FA Cup]], but they were eliminated, after a replay, in the preliminary round against [[Stockton F.C.|Stockton]], the score was 7-4 on aggregate. After uneasy relationships with landlords, Hull City moved to Anlaby Road Cricket Ground.

===Hull City enter the Football League===
Finally, after playing 44 friendly fixtures the previous season, Hull City were entered into the [[Football League Second Division]] for the [[1905-06 in English football|1905-06 season]]. Other teams competing in the league that season included the likes of [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] and [[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]], as well as [[Yorkshire]] rivals [[Leeds City F.C.|Leeds City]], [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]] and [[Barnsley F.C.|Barnsley]]. Indeed it was Barnsley who they faced in their first game, beating them 4-1. Eventually, Hull would finish fifth.

The following season a new ground was built for Hull City across the road from the cricket ground. Still under the managership of Ambrose Langley, City continued to finish consistently in the top half of the table. They came agonisingly close to promotion in the [[1909-10 in English football|1909-10]] season, recording what would be their highest ever finish in their history (a record still held today); Hull finishing third, level on points with second placed [[Oldham Athletic A.F.C.|Oldham Athletic]], they missed promotion on goal average by the slim margin of 0.29 of a goal.

Before [[World War I]], Hull reached the quarter-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in [[1915]], beating out [[West Bromwich Albion F.C.|West Bromwich Albion]], [[Northampton Town F.C.|Northampton Town]] and [[Southampton F.C.|Southampton]], before eventually going out to [[Bolton Wanderers F.C.|Bolton Wanderers]] in a 4-2 away defeat.

[[Image:Hull City30s.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Hull City squad of [[1936]].]]

===Post-War===
In cup competitions, the club's greatest achievement was in 1930, when they reached the [[FA Cup]] semi-final. The cup run saw Hull knocking out [[Leeds United A.F.C.|Leeds United]] and eventual Champions of the Second and Third Division; [[Blackpool F.C.|Blackpool]] and [[Plymouth Argyle F.C.|Plymouth Argyle]] respectively. They then knocked out [[Manchester City F.C.|Manchester City]], to meet [[Newcastle United F.C.|Newcastle United]] in the FA Cup quarter finals. The first leg at [[St James' Park]] finished as a 1-1 draw, but in the replay Hull beat Newcastle 1-0.

The semi-final match against [[Arsenal F.C.|Arsenal]] took place at Elland Road in [[Leeds]], the game ended 2-2, and was taken to a replay. Arsenal knocked Hull City out at [[Aston Villa F.C.|Aston Villa]]'s home ground, the game ended 1-0.

In 1948-49, managed by former England international [[Raich Carter]], Hull City won the Third Division (North), and their new Boothferry Park ground saw a crowd approaching 50 000 for the Christmas Day game against [[Rotherham United F.C.|Rotherham United]], and exceeding that for the cup tie with [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]]

Yo-yoing between the second and third tiers of English football, Hull City had promotion seasons from the third to the second division again in 1959 and 1966, winning the third division championship in that latter season. Still, however, top flight football eluded the club. In fact, by the early 1980s, Hull City were down in the fourth division, and financial collapse let to receivership.

The low ebb saw the arrival of unlikely looking saviours in the form of a chairman (Don Robinson) and manager (Colin Appleton) from the footballing outpost of Scarborough FC. Promotion to Division Three followed in 1983, with a young team featuring the likes of future England international [[Brian Marwood]], future England manager, [[Steve McClaren]], fearsome centre-forward Billy Whitehurst, and the prolific goal-scorer Les Mutrie. When Hull City missed out on promotion by 1 goal the following season, Appleton left to manage [[Swansea City F.C.|Swansea City]].

Hull City reached the Second Division in 1985 under new player-manager [[Brian Horton]]. They defied the odds to stay there for the next five years before finally going down in 1991, by which time the club's manager was [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]].

===Striving to survive: 1990s===
Hull finished 14th in the Third Division in [[1991-92 in English football|1991-92]], meaning that they would be competing in the new Football League Division Two. In their first season in the rebranded division, Hull narrowly avoided another relegation but the board kept faith in Dolan and over the next two seasons they achieved secure mid table finishes. But terrible form in [[1995-96 in English football|1995-96]] condemned Hull to relegation to Division Three.

Dolan was fired and replaced by [[Mark Hateley]] after Hull failed to get anywhere near the top of Division Three in [[1996-97 in English football|1996-97]]. By this stage, financial problems were taking their toll on the Tigers and it was starting to look as though the club would go out of business before long. And Hull's league form was steadily deteriorating to the point that relegation to the Conference was looking a real possibility - which surely would have meant the death of the club. Hateley departed in November 1998 to be replaced by 34-year-old veteran player [[Warren Joyce]], who steered the club to safety after being anchored to the foot of the table - Hull City fans refer to this season as "The Great Escape". After this feat, Joyce was perhaps unlucky to be replaced in April 2000 by the experienced [[Brian Little]].

Little breathed new life into Hull and managed to get good results out of the players, despite briefly being locked out of [[Boothferry Park]] by the bailiffs and with liquidation looking a real possibility. Hull qualified for the Division Three playoffs in [[2000-01 in English football|2000-01]], and lost in the semi finals. But things could have been much worse - at least the Hull City fans still had a football club to support. A boardroom takeover had eased the club's precarious financial situation and all fears of closure were banished - had the club been relegated to the Conference the previous season, it is extremely unlikely that this takeover would have taken place.

===Rising from the ashes===
New Chairman [[Adam Pearson]] ploughed funds into the club, allowing Little to rebuild the team with the aim of immediate promotion. Hull occupied the Division Three promotion and playoff places for much of the [[2001-02 in English football|2001-02]] season, but Little was sacked two months before the end of the season and Hull slipped to 11th under his successor [[Jan Mølby]].

Hull began the [[2002-03 in English football|2002-03]] season as most people's favourites for promotion from Division Three, but a terrible start to the season saw relegation look more likely than promotion and Molby was sacked in October as the Tigers languished fifth from bottom in the league.

[[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]] was named as Hull's new manager and in December 2002, just weeks after his appointment, Hull relocated to the impressive new 25,400-seat [[KC Stadium|Kingston Communications Stadium]] after 56 years at [[Boothferry Park]]. After this move, Hull's attendances were some of the best in the division but their results were rarely this impressive and they were unable to finish above 13th place in the final table.

Hull's new stadium was - and still is - one of the most impressive stadiums outside the Premiership<ref>{{cite web | title = Prestigious Award for The KC Stadium | url =
http://www.kcstadium.co.uk/newsstory.asp?id=545 | accessdate = 27 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> and it has helped influence an upturn in Hull's fortunes after a decade of misery. The two seasons which followed the opening of the new stadium were hugely successful. Hull were Division Three runners-up in [[2003-04 in English football|2003-04]] and League One runners-up in [[2004-05 in English football|2004-05]] - back-to-back promotions - which took them into the Championship, the second tier of English football.

[[2005-06 in English football|2005-06]] was hardly the most exciting season in the history of Hull City football club; it was more a season of consolidation after two successive promotions. Hull finished 18th in the final table - a comfortable 10 points clear of relegation and their highest league finish for 16 years.

===Current season===
The successful stint at Hull City saw Peter Taylor's name linked with the [[Charlton Athletic F.C.|Charlton Athletic]] manager's job before it was given to [[Iain Dowie]]. On [[13 June]] [[2006]], Peter Taylor left Hull to take up the job vacated by Dowie at [[Crystal Palace F.C.|Crystal Palace]], a club at which he had enjoyed considerable success as a player. [[Phil Parkinson]] was confirmed as his replacement on [[29 June]] [[2006]], with Hull paying Colchester (with whom Parkinson was still under contract) £400,000 compensation.

Defender [[Leon Cort]] became Hull's first ever million-pound player when he followed Peter Taylor to Crystal Palace for a fee of £1,250,000. Parkinson wasted no time in spending the majority of this money on strengthening the City squad in readiness for the [[2006-07 in English football|2006-07]] season.

Chairman Adam Pearson has stated his ambition to take Hull into the top flight for the first time in their history<ref>{{cite web | title = Hull in print | url = http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/hullinprint/archive/febmar2005/hull_city_stand_up.php | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> - and he believed Phil Parkinson was the manager to do it.<ref>{{cite web | title = thepfa.co.uk | url = http://www.thepfa.co.uk/display.cfm?article=8723&type=1 | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> However, their dismal start to the 2006-07 season was hardly the form of a team attempting to gain promotion, and on [[4 December]] [[2006]] Parkinson was sacked as manager with Hull in the relegation zone, despite having spent over £2 million on players. Parkinson had achieved two notable firsts, under his management Hull City won for the first time ever on live television and also won a penalty shoot-out for the first time.

[[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] was appointed as caretaker manager, and by [[4 January]] [[2007]] Hull had moved out of the relegation zone and Brown was rewarded with a contract as their new manager until at least the end of the season. They finished March outside the bottom three in 18th place.

==Personnel==
===Management and Coaching staff===
* [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] - Manager
* [[Colin Murphy (footballer)|Colin Murphy]] - Assistant Manager
* [[Steve Parkin]] - First Team Coach
* [[Mark Prudhoe]] - Goalkeeping Coach
* [[Sean Rush]] - Fitness Coordinator
* [[Billy Russell]] - Centre of Excellence Manager
* [[Neil Mann]] - Head of Youth Recruitment
* [[Simon Maltby]] - Head Physiotherapist
* [[Liam McGarry]] - Assistant Physiotherapist
* [[Barry Lowe]] - Kit Manager

===Current squad===
''As of [[12 April]] [[2007]]:''

{{football squad start}}

{{fs player| no= 1 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Boaz Myhill]]}}
{{fs player| no= 2 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Nathan Doyle]]}}
{{fs player| no= 3 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Andy Dawson]]}}
{{fs player| no= 4 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ian Ashbee]]}}
{{fs player| no= 5 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Danny Coles]]}}
{{fs player| no= 6 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Turner (footballer)|Michael Turner]]}}
{{fs player| no= 7 | nat=Northern Ireland | pos=MF | name=[[Stuart Elliott]]}}
{{fs player| no= 8 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Nick Barmby]]}}
{{fs player| no= 9 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Forster]]}}
{{fs player| no=10 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Stephen McPhee]]}}
{{fs player| no=11 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Jon Parkin]]}}
{{fs player| no=12 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Matt Duke]]}}
{{fs player| no=14 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ray Parlour]]}}
{{fs player| no=16 | nat=Ireland | pos=DF | name=[[Damien Delaney]]}}
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{{fs player| no=17 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Michael Bridges]]}}
{{fs player| no=19 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[John Welsh (footballer)|John Welsh]]}}
{{fs player| no=20 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Dean Windass]]|other=on loan from [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]]}}
{{fs player| no=21 | nat=Wales | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Ricketts]]}}
{{fs player| no=22 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Dean Marney (footballer)|Dean Marney]]}}
{{fs player| no=23 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Collins]]}}
{{fs player| no=24 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[David Livermore]]}}
{{fs player| no=27 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Lee Peltier]]|other=on loan from [[Liverpool F.C.|Liverpool]]}}
{{fs player| no=28 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Russell Fry]]}}
{{fs player| no=29 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ryan France]]}}
{{fs player| no=33 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Matt Plummer]]}}
{{fs player| no=34 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Featherstone]]}}
{{fs player| no=36 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Curtis Aspden]]}}
{{fs player| no=37 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ben Wilkinson]]}}
{{football squad end}}

====Out on loan====
{{Fs start}}
{{fs player| no=15 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Darryl Duffy]]|other=on loan to [[Swansea City A.F.C.|Swansea City]]}}
{{fs player| no=30 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Scott Wiseman]]|other=on loan to [[Darlington F.C.|Darlington]]}}
{{fs player| no=35 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Byron (footballer)|Michael Byron]]|other=on loan to [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]}}
{{fs player|no=38|nat=England|pos=DF|name=[[Tom Matthews]]|other=on loan to [[Halifax Town A.F.C.|Halifax Town]]}}
{{Fs end}}

==Managerial history==
{{col-begin-small}}
{{col-2}}
*1904 [[James Ramster]]
*1905 [[Ambrose Langley]]
*1913 [[Harry Chapman]]
*1914 [[Fred Stringer]]
*1916 [[David Menzies]]
*1921 [[Percy Lewis]]
*1923 [[Bill McCracken]]
*1931 [[Haydn Green]]
*1934 [[John Hill]]
*1936 [[David Menzies]]
*1936 [[Ernest Blackburn]]
*1946 [[Frank Buckley (footballer)|Frank Buckley]]
*1948 [[Raich Carter]]
*1952 [[Bob Jackson]]
*1955 [[Bob Brocklebank]]
*1961 [[Cliff Britton]]
*1970 [[Terry Neill]]
*1974 [[John Kaye (football manager)|John Kaye]]
*1977 [[Bobby Collins]]
{{col-2}}
*1978 [[Ken Houghton]]
*1979 [[Mike Smith (football manager)|Mike Smith]]
*1982 [[Bobby Brown (football)|Bobby Brown]]
*1982 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1984 [[Brian Horton]]
*1988 [[Eddie Gray (footballer)|Eddie Gray]]
*1989 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1989 [[Stan Ternent]]
*1991 [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]]
*1997 [[Mark Hateley]]
*1998 [[Warren Joyce]]
*2000 [[Billy Russell]]
*2000 [[Brian Little (footballer)|Brian Little]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Jan Mølby]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]]
*2006 [[Phil Parkinson]]
*2006 [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]]
{{col-end}}

==Notable former players==
{{col-begin-small}}
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Ablett (footballer)|Gary Ablett]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ernie Blenkinsop]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Billy Bremner]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Tommy Browell]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Roy Carroll]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Raich Carter]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Keith Edwards]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Paddy Fagan]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Alan Fettis]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Neil Franklin]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Ian Goodison]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Mark Hateley]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Emlyn Hughes]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Richard Jobson (footballer)|Richard Jobson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Warren Joyce]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Wilf Mannion]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Brian Marwood]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Steve McClaren]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Danny Mills]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stan Mortensen]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[John Neal (footballer)|John Neal]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Patrick O'Connell (1887-1959)|Patrick O'Connell]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Garry Parker]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Andy Payton]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stuart Pearson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Don Revie]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[David Rocastle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Roy Saunders]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ronnie Starling]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Swann]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Jack Taylor (footballer)|Jack Taylor]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Billy Whitehurst]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Theodore Whitmore]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Justin Whittle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Dean Windass]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Dave Wright (footballer)|Dave Wright]]
{{col-3}}
{{col-end}}
''See Also: [[:Category:Hull City A.F.C. players]]''
===Women===
[[Hull City Women A.F.C.]]

==Honours==
'''[[FA Cup]]'''
*'''Semi-finalists''': 1929-30
'''[[Football League One]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 2004-05
'''[[Football League Division Three]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1965-66
*'''Runners-up''': 2003-04
*'''Promoted''': 1984-85
'''[[Football League Third Division North]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1932-33, 1948-49
*'''Runners-up''': 1958-59
'''[[Football League Division Four]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 1982-83

==Trivia==

* Current [[England national football team|England]] manager [[Steve McClaren]] played for Hull City from 1979–1985.
* Hull is the largest city in [[Europe]] never to have had a club play in the top division of its national league.
* Hull City is the only football club in the country spelled entirely of letters you cannot colour in.
* Hull City's mascot is Roary the Tiger.
* On August 1, 1970 Hull were the first team in the world to go out of a cup competition on penalties. It was against Manchester United in the semi-final of the [[Watney Cup|Watney Mann Invitation Cup]].{{citation needed}}
* Hull City were the first team to win at [[Coventry City]]'s [[Ricoh Arena]], winning 2-0 on the 24th September 2005.<ref>[http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=465695 SoccerBase.com]</ref>

==Kit Sponsors==
*1983-84: Hygena

*1984-86: [[Arrow Air]]

*1986-87: Mansfield Beers

*1987-88: Twydale

*1988-89: Riding Bitter

*1989-90: Humberside

*1990-93: [[Bonus]]

*1993-94: Pepis

*1994-95: Needlers

*1995-97: [[IBC]]

*1997-99: [[University of Hull]]

*1999-01: [[IBC]]

*2001-02: Sportscard

*2002-07: [[Bonus]]

*2007-09: [[Kingston Communications]] / [[Karoo ISP|Karoo]]

*2009-??:

== See also ==
* [[Amber Nectar]], fanzine
* ''[[City Psychos: From the Monte Carlo Mob to the Silver Cod Squad|City Psychos]]'', book
* [[City Magazine]], the club's offcial monthly magazine

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.hullcityafc.net Official club site]
*{{BBC Football Info|BBClinkname=h/hull_city}}
*[http://www.ambernectar.org Amber Nectar (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hullcityonline.com/ Hull City Online (Unofficial)]
*[http://hullcity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=959 CityIndependent (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.citytillidie.org.uk/ City Till I Die (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hull.vitalfootball.co.uk/index.asp Vital Football Hull City (Unofficial)]
*[http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/hullcitylincssupporters/ The Hull City Fan Base (Unofficial)]

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'''Hull City Association Football Club''' are an [[England|English]] [[football (soccer)|football]] team based at the [[KC Stadium]] ([[Kingston Communications]] Stadium) in [[Kingston upon Hull]], [[East Riding of Yorkshire]]. They play in black and amber stripes, hence their nickname: "The [[Tiger]]s".

The highest position Hull City have ever finished in the English football league is 3rd in the [[Football League Second Division|Old Second Division]], today's equivalent of which is the [[Football League Championship|Championship]] where the club are currently playing. Their best achievement in cup competitions was reaching the semi-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in 1930.

==History==
Hull City A.F.C. were founded on [[28 June]] [[1904]]. For some years prior to this attempts were made to found a [[football (soccer)|football]] club, but in a city dominated initially by [[rugby league]] with the likes of [[Hull FC]] and [[Hull KR]] this proved difficult.

The first season for Hull City consisted of friendly matches; because of the time of founding, City were unable to apply for membership to [[The Football League]] for the 1904-05 season. The early matches were played at [[The Boulevard (Stadium)|The Boulevard]], home of rugby league side Hull FC. On [[1 September]] [[1904]], City's debut match took place against [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]; with 6000 in attendance at the Boulevard, City notched up an impressive start holding the more experienced County to a 2-2 draw.

Hull's first taste of competitive football came in the [[FA Cup]], but they were eliminated, after a replay, in the preliminary round against [[Stockton F.C.|Stockton]], the score was 7-4 on aggregate. After uneasy relationships with landlords, Hull City moved to Anlaby Road Cricket Ground.

===Hull City enter the Football League===
Finally, after playing 44 friendly fixtures the previous season, Hull City were entered into the [[Football League Second Division]] for the [[1905-06 in English football|1905-06 season]]. Other teams competing in the league that season included the likes of [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] and [[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]], as well as [[Yorkshire]] rivals [[Leeds City F.C.|Leeds City]], [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]] and [[Barnsley F.C.|Barnsley]]. Indeed it was Barnsley who they faced in their first game, beating them 4-1. Eventually, Hull would finish fifth.

The following season a new ground was built for Hull City across the road from the cricket ground. Still under the managership of Ambrose Langley, City continued to finish consistently in the top half of the table. They came agonisingly close to promotion in the [[1909-10 in English football|1909-10]] season, recording what would be their highest ever finish in their history (a record still held today); Hull finishing third, level on points with second placed [[Oldham Athletic A.F.C.|Oldham Athletic]], they missed promotion on goal average by the slim margin of 0.29 of a goal.

Before [[World War I]], Hull reached the quarter-finals of the [[FA Cup]] in [[1915]], beating out [[West Bromwich Albion F.C.|West Bromwich Albion]], [[Northampton Town F.C.|Northampton Town]] and [[Southampton F.C.|Southampton]], before eventually going out to [[Bolton Wanderers F.C.|Bolton Wanderers]] in a 4-2 away defeat.

[[Image:Hull City30s.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Hull City squad of [[1936]].]]

===Post-War===
In cup competitions, the club's greatest achievement was in 1930, when they reached the [[FA Cup]] semi-final. The cup run saw Hull knocking out [[Leeds United A.F.C.|Leeds United]] and eventual Champions of the Second and Third Division; [[Blackpool F.C.|Blackpool]] and [[Plymouth Argyle F.C.|Plymouth Argyle]] respectively. They then knocked out [[Manchester City F.C.|Manchester City]], to meet [[Newcastle United F.C.|Newcastle United]] in the FA Cup quarter finals. The first leg at [[St James' Park]] finished as a 1-1 draw, but in the replay Hull beat Newcastle 1-0.

The semi-final match against [[Arsenal F.C.|Arsenal]] took place at Elland Road in [[Leeds]], the game ended 2-2, and was taken to a replay. Arsenal knocked Hull City out at [[Aston Villa F.C.|Aston Villa]]'s home ground, the game ended 1-0.

In 1948-49, managed by former England international [[Raich Carter]], Hull City won the Third Division (North), and their new Boothferry Park ground saw a crowd approaching 50 000 for the Christmas Day game against [[Rotherham United F.C.|Rotherham United]], and exceeding that for the cup tie with [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]]

Yo-yoing between the second and third tiers of English football, Hull City had promotion seasons from the third to the second division again in 1959 and 1966, winning the third division championship in that latter season. Still, however, top flight football eluded the club. In fact, by the early 1980s, Hull City were down in the fourth division, and financial collapse let to receivership.

The low ebb saw the arrival of unlikely looking saviours in the form of a chairman (Don Robinson) and manager (Colin Appleton) from the footballing outpost of Scarborough FC. Promotion to Division Three followed in 1983, with a young team featuring the likes of future England international [[Brian Marwood]], future England manager, [[Steve McClaren]], fearsome centre-forward Billy Whitehurst, and the prolific goal-scorer Les Mutrie. When Hull City missed out on promotion by 1 goal the following season, Appleton left to manage [[Swansea City F.C.|Swansea City]].

Hull City reached the Second Division in 1985 under new player-manager [[Brian Horton]]. They defied the odds to stay there for the next five years before finally going down in 1991, by which time the club's manager was [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]].

===Striving to survive: 1990s===
Hull finished 14th in the Third Division in [[1991-92 in English football|1991-92]], meaning that they would be competing in the new Football League Division Two. In their first season in the rebranded division, Hull narrowly avoided another relegation but the board kept faith in Dolan and over the next two seasons they achieved secure mid table finishes. But terrible form in [[1995-96 in English football|1995-96]] condemned Hull to relegation to Division Three.

Dolan was fired and replaced by [[Mark Hateley]] after Hull failed to get anywhere near the top of Division Three in [[1996-97 in English football|1996-97]]. By this stage, financial problems were taking their toll on the Tigers and it was starting to look as though the club would go out of business before long. And Hull's league form was steadily deteriorating to the point that relegation to the Conference was looking a real possibility - which surely would have meant the death of the club. Hateley departed in November 1998 to be replaced by 34-year-old veteran player [[Warren Joyce]], who steered the club to safety after being anchored to the foot of the table - Hull City fans refer to this season as "The Great Escape". After this feat, Joyce was perhaps unlucky to be replaced in April 2000 by the experienced [[Brian Little]].

Little breathed new life into Hull and managed to get good results out of the players, despite briefly being locked out of [[Boothferry Park]] by the bailiffs and with liquidation looking a real possibility. Hull qualified for the Division Three playoffs in [[2000-01 in English football|2000-01]], and lost in the semi finals. But things could have been much worse - at least the Hull City fans still had a football club to support. A boardroom takeover had eased the club's precarious financial situation and all fears of closure were banished - had the club been relegated to the Conference the previous season, it is extremely unlikely that this takeover would have taken place.

===Rising from the ashes===
New Chairman [[Adam Pearson]] ploughed funds into the club, allowing Little to rebuild the team with the aim of immediate promotion. Hull occupied the Division Three promotion and playoff places for much of the [[2001-02 in English football|2001-02]] season, but Little was sacked two months before the end of the season and Hull slipped to 11th under his successor [[Jan Mølby]].

Hull began the [[2002-03 in English football|2002-03]] season as most people's favourites for promotion from Division Three, but a terrible start to the season saw relegation look more likely than promotion and Molby was sacked in October as the Tigers languished fifth from bottom in the league.

[[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]] was named as Hull's new manager and in December 2002, just weeks after his appointment, Hull relocated to the impressive new 25,400-seat [[KC Stadium|Kingston Communications Stadium]] after 56 years at [[Boothferry Park]]. After this move, Hull's attendances were some of the best in the division but their results were rarely this impressive and they were unable to finish above 13th place in the final table.

Hull's new stadium was - and still is - one of the most impressive stadiums outside the Premiership<ref>{{cite web | title = Prestigious Award for The KC Stadium | url =
http://www.kcstadium.co.uk/newsstory.asp?id=545 | accessdate = 27 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> and it has helped influence an upturn in Hull's fortunes after a decade of misery. The two seasons which followed the opening of the new stadium were hugely successful. Hull were Division Three runners-up in [[2003-04 in English football|2003-04]] and League One runners-up in [[2004-05 in English football|2004-05]] - back-to-back promotions - which took them into the Championship, the second tier of English football.

[[2005-06 in English football|2005-06]] was hardly the most exciting season in the history of Hull City football club; it was more a season of consolidation after two successive promotions. Hull finished 18th in the final table - a comfortable 10 points clear of relegation and their highest league finish for 16 years.

===Current season===
The successful stint at Hull City saw Peter Taylor's name linked with the [[Charlton Athletic F.C.|Charlton Athletic]] manager's job before it was given to [[Iain Dowie]]. On [[13 June]] [[2006]], Peter Taylor left Hull to take up the job vacated by Dowie at [[Crystal Palace F.C.|Crystal Palace]], a club at which he had enjoyed considerable success as a player. [[Phil Parkinson]] was confirmed as his replacement on [[29 June]] [[2006]], with Hull paying Colchester (with whom Parkinson was still under contract) £400,000 compensation.

Defender [[Leon Cort]] became Hull's first ever million-pound player when he followed Peter Taylor to Crystal Palace for a fee of £1,250,000. Parkinson wasted no time in spending the majority of this money on strengthening the City squad in readiness for the [[2006-07 in English football|2006-07]] season.

Chairman Adam Pearson has stated his ambition to take Hull into the top flight for the first time in their history<ref>{{cite web | title = Hull in print | url = http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/hullinprint/archive/febmar2005/hull_city_stand_up.php | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> - and he believed Phil Parkinson was the manager to do it.<ref>{{cite web | title = thepfa.co.uk | url = http://www.thepfa.co.uk/display.cfm?article=8723&type=1 | accessdate = 26 Sep | accessyear = 2006 }}</ref> However, their dismal start to the 2006-07 season was hardly the form of a team attempting to gain promotion, and on [[4 December]] [[2006]] Parkinson was sacked as manager with Hull in the relegation zone, despite having spent over £2 million on players. Parkinson had achieved two notable firsts, under his management Hull City won for the first time ever on live television and also won a penalty shoot-out for the first time.

[[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] was appointed as caretaker manager, and by [[4 January]] [[2007]] Hull had moved out of the relegation zone and Brown was rewarded with a contract as their new manager until at least the end of the season. They finished March outside the bottom three in 18th place.

==Personnel==
===Management and Coaching staff===
* [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]] - Manager
* [[Colin Murphy (footballer)|Colin Murphy]] - Assistant Manager
* [[Steve Parkin]] - First Team Coach
* [[Mark Prudhoe]] - Goalkeeping Coach
* [[Sean Rush]] - Fitness Coordinator
* [[Billy Russell]] - Centre of Excellence Manager
* [[Neil Mann]] - Head of Youth Recruitment
* [[Simon Maltby]] - Head Physiotherapist
* [[Liam McGarry]] - Assistant Physiotherapist
* [[Barry Lowe]] - Kit Manager

===Current squad===
''As of [[12 April]] [[2007]]:''

{{football squad start}}

{{fs player| no= 1 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Boaz Myhill]]}}
{{fs player| no= 2 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Nathan Doyle]]}}
{{fs player| no= 3 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Andy Dawson]]}}
{{fs player| no= 4 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ian Ashbee]]}}
{{fs player| no= 5 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Danny Coles]]}}
{{fs player| no= 6 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Turner (footballer)|Michael Turner]]}}
{{fs player| no= 7 | nat=Northern Ireland | pos=MF | name=[[Stuart Elliott]]}}
{{fs player| no= 8 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Nick Barmby]]}}
{{fs player| no= 9 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Forster]]}}
{{fs player| no=10 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Stephen McPhee]]}}
{{fs player| no=11 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Jon Parkin]]}}
{{fs player| no=12 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Matt Duke]]}}
{{fs player| no=14 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ray Parlour]]}}
{{fs player| no=16 | nat=Ireland | pos=DF | name=[[Damien Delaney]]}}
{{football squad mid}}
{{fs player| no=17 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Michael Bridges]]}}
{{fs player| no=19 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[John Welsh (footballer)|John Welsh]]}}
{{fs player| no=20 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Dean Windass]]|other=on loan from [[Bradford City A.F.C.|Bradford City]]}}
{{fs player| no=21 | nat=Wales | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Ricketts]]}}
{{fs player| no=22 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Dean Marney (footballer)|Dean Marney]]}}
{{fs player| no=23 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Sam Collins]]}}
{{fs player| no=24 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[David Livermore]]}}
{{fs player| no=27 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Lee Peltier]]|other=on loan from [[Liverpool F.C.|Liverpool]]}}
{{fs player| no=28 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Russell Fry]]}}
{{fs player| no=29 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ryan France]]}}
{{fs player| no=33 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Matt Plummer]]}}
{{fs player| no=34 | nat=England | pos=FW | name=[[Nicky Featherstone]]}}
{{fs player| no=36 | nat=England | pos=GK | name=[[Curtis Aspden]]}}
{{fs player| no=37 | nat=England | pos=MF | name=[[Ben Wilkinson]]}}
{{football squad end}}

====Out on loan====
{{Fs start}}
{{fs player| no=15 | nat=Scotland | pos=FW | name=[[Darryl Duffy]]|other=on loan to [[Swansea City A.F.C.|Swansea City]]}}
{{fs player| no=30 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Scott Wiseman]]|other=on loan to [[Darlington F.C.|Darlington]]}}
{{fs player| no=35 | nat=England | pos=DF | name=[[Michael Byron (footballer)|Michael Byron]]|other=on loan to [[Notts County F.C.|Notts County]]}}
{{fs player|no=38|nat=England|pos=DF|name=[[Tom Matthews]]|other=on loan to [[Halifax Town A.F.C.|Halifax Town]]}}
{{Fs end}}

==Managerial history==
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{{col-2}}
*1904 [[James Ramster]]
*1905 [[Ambrose Langley]]
*1913 [[Harry Chapman]]
*1914 [[Fred Stringer]]
*1916 [[David Menzies]]
*1921 [[Percy Lewis]]
*1923 [[Bill McCracken]]
*1931 [[Haydn Green]]
*1934 [[John Hill]]
*1936 [[David Menzies]]
*1936 [[Ernest Blackburn]]
*1946 [[Frank Buckley (footballer)|Frank Buckley]]
*1948 [[Raich Carter]]
*1952 [[Bob Jackson]]
*1955 [[Bob Brocklebank]]
*1961 [[Cliff Britton]]
*1970 [[Terry Neill]]
*1974 [[John Kaye (football manager)|John Kaye]]
*1977 [[Bobby Collins]]
{{col-2}}
*1978 [[Ken Houghton]]
*1979 [[Mike Smith (football manager)|Mike Smith]]
*1982 [[Bobby Brown (football)|Bobby Brown]]
*1982 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1984 [[Brian Horton]]
*1988 [[Eddie Gray (footballer)|Eddie Gray]]
*1989 [[Colin Appleton]]
*1989 [[Stan Ternent]]
*1991 [[Terry Dolan (football manager)|Terry Dolan]]
*1997 [[Mark Hateley]]
*1998 [[Warren Joyce]]
*2000 [[Billy Russell]]
*2000 [[Brian Little (footballer)|Brian Little]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Jan Mølby]]
*2002 [[Billy Russell]]
*2002 [[Peter John Taylor|Peter Taylor]]
*2006 [[Phil Parkinson]]
*2006 [[Phil Brown (footballer)|Phil Brown]]
{{col-end}}

==Notable former players==
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{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Ablett (footballer)|Gary Ablett]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ernie Blenkinsop]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Billy Bremner]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Tommy Browell]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Roy Carroll]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Raich Carter]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Keith Edwards]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Paddy Fagan]]
*{{flagicon|Northern Ireland}} [[Alan Fettis]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Neil Franklin]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Ian Goodison]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Mark Hateley]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Emlyn Hughes]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Richard Jobson (footballer)|Richard Jobson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Warren Joyce]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Wilf Mannion]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Brian Marwood]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Steve McClaren]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Danny Mills]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stan Mortensen]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[John Neal (footballer)|John Neal]]
*{{flagicon|Republic of Ireland}} [[Patrick O'Connell (1887-1959)|Patrick O'Connell]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Garry Parker]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Andy Payton]]
{{col-3}}
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Stuart Pearson]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Don Revie]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[David Rocastle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Roy Saunders]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Ronnie Starling]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Gary Swann]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Jack Taylor (footballer)|Jack Taylor]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Billy Whitehurst]]
*{{flagicon|Jamaica}} [[Theodore Whitmore]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Justin Whittle]]
*{{flagicon|England}} [[Dean Windass]]
*{{flagicon|Scotland}} [[Dave Wright (footballer)|Dave Wright]]
{{col-3}}
{{col-end}}
''See Also: [[:Category:Hull City A.F.C. players]]''
===Women===
[[Hull City Women A.F.C.]]

==Honours==
'''[[FA Cup]]'''
*'''Semi-finalists''': 1929-30
'''[[Football League One]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 2004-05
'''[[Football League Division Three]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1965-66
*'''Runners-up''': 2003-04
*'''Promoted''': 1984-85
'''[[Football League Third Division North]]'''
*'''Champions''': 1932-33, 1948-49
*'''Runners-up''': 1958-59
'''[[Football League Division Four]]'''
*'''Runners-up''': 1982-83

==Trivia==

* Current [[England national football team|England]] manager [[Steve McClaren]] played for Hull City from 1979–1985.
* Hull is the largest city in [[Europe]] never to have had a club play in the top division of its national league.
* Hull City is the only football club in the country spelled entirely of letters you cannot colour in.
* Hull City's mascot is Roary the Tiger.
* On August 1, 1970 Hull were the first team in the world to go out of a cup competition on penalties. It was against Manchester United in the semi-final of the [[Watney Cup|Watney Mann Invitation Cup]]{{citation needed}}.
* Hull City were the first team to win at [[Coventry City]]'s [[Ricoh Arena]], winning 2-0 on the 24th September 2005.<ref>[http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=465695 SoccerBase.com]</ref>

==Kit Sponsors==
*1983-84: Hygena

*1984-86: [[Arrow Air]]

*1986-87: Mansfield Beers

*1987-88: Twydale

*1988-89: Riding Bitter

*1989-90: Humberside

*1990-93: [[Bonus]]

*1993-94: Pepis

*1994-95: Needlers

*1995-97: [[IBC]]

*1997-99: [[University of Hull]]

*1999-01: [[IBC]]

*2001-02: Sportscard

*2002-07: [[Bonus]]

*2007-09: [[Kingston Communications]] / [[Karoo ISP|Karoo]]

*2009-??:

== See also ==
* [[Amber Nectar]], fanzine
* ''[[City Psychos: From the Monte Carlo Mob to the Silver Cod Squad|City Psychos]]'', book
* [[City Magazine]], the club's offcial monthly magazine

==References==
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*[http://www.hullcityafc.net Official club site]
*{{BBC Football Info|BBClinkname=h/hull_city}}
*[http://www.ambernectar.org Amber Nectar (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hullcityonline.com/ Hull City Online (Unofficial)]
*[http://hullcity.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=959 CityIndependent (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.citytillidie.org.uk/ City Till I Die (Unofficial)]
*[http://www.hull.vitalfootball.co.uk/index.asp Vital Football Hull City (Unofficial)]
*[http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/hullcitylincssupporters/ The Hull City Fan Base (Unofficial)]

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Found the link. [[User:General Eisenhower|General Eisenhower]] 00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)–'''[[User:General Eisenhower|Eisenhower]][[User talk:General Eisenhower|official]]''' [[WP:EA|(e)]] 16:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 19:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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One of the Hinducentric contributors to [[Indian mathematics]] also recently edited [[Trigonometric function]] and [[History of trigonometric functions]]. You might want to check those articles to see if his edits are accurate or if they're simply more falsehood and exaggeration. [[User:CiteCop|CiteCop]] 02:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you for the information about that user. The sentence that he added was in fact inaccurate and poorly sourced; so I have removed the sentence and placed a quote from ''A History of Mathematics'' on the talk page to justify the removal. Thanks for the tip. [[User:Selfworm|selfworm - just downgraded to version 0.4B!]] 02:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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I have moved it to [[User:Selfworm/HiddenLinkAward]] as it should have been in your userspace to begin with and not the template space. I am going to be deleting the redirect in a moment.—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 08:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:And have a pleasant evening :)—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 08:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::What's that all about? Wormhole to a parallel Wikipedia?--[[User:Shtove|Shtove]] 19:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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Cheers for [[User talk:...adam...#Good Job.21.21.21|this]] - good fun finding it and all...
[[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm just glad that you had a good time finding it. :) [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 14:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Are you an [[WP:AMA]] member ? If so perhaps you may wish to see the list of members. --[[User:CyclePat|CyclePat]] 04:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'll think about it... [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 04:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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I noticed on the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre]] page that your signature is pretty long in both display and in the edit views (three lines of markup seems a bit excessive!) See [[WP:SIG]] for guidelines - I hope you can reduce the complexity and size without feeling restricted in your creativity. Cheers. [[User:QmunkE|QmunkE]] 14:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Too long? OK, I'll reduce my signature shortly. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 14:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Done. I've made my signature a lot shorter. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 20:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Al-Razi]] ==

Thank you very much for the information you've added to the Al-Razi page. It's amazing the article had mentioned barely nothing about his harsh skepticism of Islam and religions in general. However, please rework the large block of text you've added. It's generally bad form to quote such a large amount of text. Is it verbatim, or are the elipses your own addition? If you need help cleaning up the humongous quote, I'm available.
--[[User:C.Logan|C.Logan]] 23:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:No problem. I will rework the text a little later when I have the time. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to help me rework the block of text. Take care. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Okay. The only problem here is that I don't have any clear access to the book you've used (although I actually considered using it to update the al-Razi page)... I'm sure it's not available online. For instance, the first block of indentation in the quote: is it this way in the book? It's clear that the second indent is a quotation within the quote, but the first indentation moves to quote form mid-sentence. It may be a format problem you overlooked, or it might be how the book's text presents itself- I'm not sure. Either way, I don't want to take too much liberty with quoted text: obviously, Hecht's words are good to rearrange into the paragraph, but Razi's should be left as they are.--[[User:C.Logan|C.Logan]] 23:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, the required parts of the book are fortunately available online. Here is a link to the book that I've referenced. [http://books.google.com/books?id=QJb16_AAePkC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&source=web&ots=Kt-6aQ-tw6&sig=05JLfRddjgr6t32PQe4SHgCyZDY#PPA229,M1 Google Books: "Doubt: A History" p. 229]. I'm pretty sure that it's the same edition of the book. Enjoy your read! [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm currently working on the section. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Done editing. You can edit away. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, please note that according to the definition of a subring in [[Subring]], a subring of a ring must contain 1. For example, in the ring of 2 by 2 matrices with real coefficients, those matrices with all coefficients zero except perhaps in the top lefthand corner form a ring (with unity), but not a ''subring'' of the ring of matrices, because the unit element is not the same. Please modify [[Subring]] and [[Subring test]] accordingly. Please note also that any result along these lines is exceedingly elementary, and therefore the name "subring test", particularly "''the'' subring test", is likely to exist only within the confines of an individual math textbook, and is probably not notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 15:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hello Joeldl. [[Talk:Ring_%28mathematics%29#A_solid_reason_.28I_think.29_to_reject_requiring_unity|Please see this talk page]] and join the debate about whether or not rings should be defined with a multiplicative identity. I shall leave the pages unaltered until a consensus I reached, and if the consensus is that all rings should have unity then I will change those pages to fit that definition of a ring. Thank you for you input. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 19:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::In the meantime, please make it clear that your definition refers to the non-unit definition when you use it.
19:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I have already stated on the subring test article that the theorem applies to rings defined without a unity.[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 19:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry for not being clear about the changes I made to [[Ring (mathematics)]]. I added the fact that ''na'' could be interpreted in two different ways. Once that is done, there is no need for the two facts I deleted because they result from this fact and the fact that the ring element ''n'' defined as ''n''1 commutes with everything, which I also added. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 22:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, but I would recommend that you clarify the sentence that you added. Maybe give a more concrete definition of na. I believe that na is defined recursively. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::I just wanted to give a rough idea of what was meant, as people will figure out the formal definition by induction easily from what's given. If you want to write a definition by induction, I think it should be given at [[Group]] and linked to. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 00:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Subring test]] ==

Hi. Thank you for the new [[Subring test]] article. I have one suggestion about writing math. I think it is rather important to use commas where appropriate, it make the text easier to understand and mathematically correct. I put in around 20 commas in that article I think, I hope I improved it. Thanks and hope you like it here. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 22:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for the work that you've done on that article; you've really made it look a lot nicer.[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 22:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Why have you changed "assumed" to "shown"? The susset 2'''Z''' of '''Z''' satisfies the hypotheses but not the conclusion, so it cannot be "shown" that the unit belongs to it. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 23:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've reverted my edit and it now reads "assumed"[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Click]] ==
Hey there - was just perusing your page and noticed you use the <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> template on you toolbar - if you check out [[Template:Click]] you'll see that we're meant to be switching over to using <nowiki><imagemap</nowiki> tags instead (I only know because I changed my userpage the other day to get rid of all the click templates). If you check out [[mw:Extension:ImageMap]] it has all the documentation you need to switch over, and I can assure you it's pretty easy to do. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 02:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot for the advice adam. I've just finished changing over to the newer format and amazingly enough it looks exactly the same! :) [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::Identical aint it! There seems to be a few browsers that don't like click - and it mucks up accessability - but it makes no difference if you aren't using parser functions or magic words, so I thought I'd spread the word. Glad to provide a service. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 02:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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== [[Ancient Rome]] as the Article Referencing Drive ==

You have voted for [[Ancient Rome]] to be this week's Article Reference Drive, and it now is! Help find sources for the article! [[User:Messedrocker|★MESSED]][[User talk:Messedrocker|ROCKER★]] 11:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
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== Invitation From General Eisenhower==

Right on!

My name is Michael of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anti-Stub|Anti-Stub Club]]! I welcome you to Wikipedia outside of its true glory. Now here's your instructions:

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Found the link. [[User:General Eisenhower|General Eisenhower]] 00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)–'''[[User:General Eisenhower|Eisenhower]][[User talk:General Eisenhower|official]]''' [[WP:EA|(e)]] 16:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 19:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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== Trigonometry ==

One of the Hinducentric contributors to [[Indian mathematics]] also recently edited [[Trigonometric function]] and [[History of trigonometric functions]]. You might want to check those articles to see if his edits are accurate or if they're simply more falsehood and exaggeration. [[User:CiteCop|CiteCop]] 02:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:Thank you for the information about that user. The sentence that he added was in fact inaccurate and poorly sourced; so I have removed the sentence and placed a quote from ''A History of Mathematics'' on the talk page to justify the removal. Thanks for the tip. [[User:Selfworm|selfworm - just downgraded to version 0.4B!]] 02:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Your "barnstar" ==

I have moved it to [[User:Selfworm/HiddenLinkAward]] as it should have been in your userspace to begin with and not the template space. I am going to be deleting the redirect in a moment.—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 08:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:And have a pleasant evening :)—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 08:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::What's that all about? Wormhole to a parallel Wikipedia?--[[User:Shtove|Shtove]] 19:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==

Cheers for [[User talk:...adam...#Good Job.21.21.21|this]] - good fun finding it and all...
[[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 11:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm just glad that you had a good time finding it. :) [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 14:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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== Are you an AMA member ? ==

Are you an [[WP:AMA]] member ? If so perhaps you may wish to see the list of members. --[[User:CyclePat|CyclePat]] 04:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'll think about it... [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 04:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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==Your signature==
I noticed on the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre]] page that your signature is pretty long in both display and in the edit views (three lines of markup seems a bit excessive!) See [[WP:SIG]] for guidelines - I hope you can reduce the complexity and size without feeling restricted in your creativity. Cheers. [[User:QmunkE|QmunkE]] 14:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Too long? OK, I'll reduce my signature shortly. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Give me a piece of your mind]] · [[User:Selfworm/Userboxes|Userboxes]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 14:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Done. I've made my signature a lot shorter. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 20:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Al-Razi]] ==

Thank you very much for the information you've added to the Al-Razi page. It's amazing the article had mentioned barely nothing about his harsh skepticism of Islam and religions in general. However, please rework the large block of text you've added. It's generally bad form to quote such a large amount of text. Is it verbatim, or are the elipses your own addition? If you need help cleaning up the humongous quote, I'm available.
--[[User:C.Logan|C.Logan]] 23:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:No problem. I will rework the text a little later when I have the time. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to help me rework the block of text. Take care. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Okay. The only problem here is that I don't have any clear access to the book you've used (although I actually considered using it to update the al-Razi page)... I'm sure it's not available online. For instance, the first block of indentation in the quote: is it this way in the book? It's clear that the second indent is a quotation within the quote, but the first indentation moves to quote form mid-sentence. It may be a format problem you overlooked, or it might be how the book's text presents itself- I'm not sure. Either way, I don't want to take too much liberty with quoted text: obviously, Hecht's words are good to rearrange into the paragraph, but Razi's should be left as they are.--[[User:C.Logan|C.Logan]] 23:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, the required parts of the book are fortunately available online. Here is a link to the book that I've referenced. [http://books.google.com/books?id=QJb16_AAePkC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&source=web&ots=Kt-6aQ-tw6&sig=05JLfRddjgr6t32PQe4SHgCyZDY#PPA229,M1 Google Books: "Doubt: A History" p. 229]. I'm pretty sure that it's the same edition of the book. Enjoy your read! [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm currently working on the section. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Done editing. You can edit away. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Subring]] ==

Hi, please note that according to the definition of a subring in [[Subring]], a subring of a ring must contain 1. For example, in the ring of 2 by 2 matrices with real coefficients, those matrices with all coefficients zero except perhaps in the top lefthand corner form a ring (with unity), but not a ''subring'' of the ring of matrices, because the unit element is not the same. Please modify [[Subring]] and [[Subring test]] accordingly. Please note also that any result along these lines is exceedingly elementary, and therefore the name "subring test", particularly "''the'' subring test", is likely to exist only within the confines of an individual math textbook, and is probably not notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 15:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hello Joeldl. [[Talk:Ring_%28mathematics%29#A_solid_reason_.28I_think.29_to_reject_requiring_unity|Please see this talk page]] and join the debate about whether or not rings should be defined with a multiplicative identity. I shall leave the pages unaltered until a consensus I reached, and if the consensus is that all rings should have unity then I will change those pages to fit that definition of a ring. Thank you for you input. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 19:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::In the meantime, please make it clear that your definition refers to the non-unit definition when you use it.
19:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I have already stated on the subring test article that the theorem applies to rings defined without a unity.[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 19:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry for not being clear about the changes I made to [[Ring (mathematics)]]. I added the fact that ''na'' could be interpreted in two different ways. Once that is done, there is no need for the two facts I deleted because they result from this fact and the fact that the ring element ''n'' defined as ''n''1 commutes with everything, which I also added. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 22:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, but I would recommend that you clarify the sentence that you added. Maybe give a more concrete definition of na. I believe that na is defined recursively. [[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 00:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::I just wanted to give a rough idea of what was meant, as people will figure out the formal definition by induction easily from what's given. If you want to write a definition by induction, I think it should be given at [[Group]] and linked to. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 00:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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== [[Subring test]] ==

Hi. Thank you for the new [[Subring test]] article. I have one suggestion about writing math. I think it is rather important to use commas where appropriate, it make the text easier to understand and mathematically correct. I put in around 20 commas in that article I think, I hope I improved it. Thanks and hope you like it here. [[User:Oleg Alexandrov|Oleg Alexandrov]] ([[User talk:Oleg Alexandrov|talk]]) 22:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for the work that you've done on that article; you've really made it look a lot nicer.[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 22:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Why have you changed "assumed" to "shown"? The susset 2'''Z''' of '''Z''' satisfies the hypotheses but not the conclusion, so it cannot be "shown" that the unit belongs to it. [[User:Joeldl|Joeldl]] 23:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've reverted my edit and it now reads "assumed"[[User:Selfworm|_selfworm_]] [[User_talk:Selfworm|( Talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Selfworm|Contribs )]]_ 23:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

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Hey there - was just perusing your page and noticed you use the <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> template on you toolbar - if you check out [[Template:Click]] you'll see that we're meant to be switching over to using <nowiki><imagemap</nowiki> tags instead (I only know because I changed my userpage the other day to get rid of all the click templates). If you check out [[mw:Extension:ImageMap]] it has all the documentation you need to switch over, and I can assure you it's pretty easy to do. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 02:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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Zakaj mi tvoj programček ne deluje pravilno na sl:? So kakšne tehnične omejitve? Aha pa še to. Tvoj iskalnim je super za prenašanje predlog en: → sl: in slovljenje. Imam pa vprašanje kako bi tu uporabil regularen izraz * - za spremenljivke (primer: [[{{{1}}} *|→ [[* {{{1}}}|) Sem poskusil pa ne deluje. Očitno je malce bolj kompliciran od ''Search and replace'' v OpenOffice-u. lp, --[[User:Mihael Simonic|Mihael Simonic]] 18:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC) ([[:sl:Uporabnik:Mihael Simonič|sl:Miha]])

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==National Letters==
Also, it doesn't support national letters. --[[User:Ysangkok|Ysangkok]] 20:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Yikes==
I admire your work.

Do you know if there is a way to add a table in a wiki page, such that the data can be sorted, rather then having multiple copies of the same data in different orders? As in [[List of films preserved in the United States National Film Registry]]
[[User:MartinGugino|MartinGugino]] 10:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

My my my. There is a whole set of lists: [[WP:FL]] that need new technology
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==Vandalism==
Hi. I just wanted to notice you that you commited VANDALISM on the page [[Slavic peoples]] by puting ethnic Czechs with ethnic Lechs. Czech are not Lechs and I should know that the best because I am a Lech myself. [[User:Pan Piotr Glownia|Pan Piotr Glownia]] 23:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

: Piotr, this is a content dispute, which is a different kettle of fish from vandalism. Crying out "vandalism" is no the way to solve this, it's better that you add your arguments to the talk page and try to reach an agreement.

: But in this case, it seems you are not right: the Czechs are commonly considered West Slavs and have more to do (linguistically and culturally) with the Poles than with Bulgarians and the rest of the south Slavs. :-) [[User:Ayatollah's hashish|Ayatollah's hashish]] 23:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

::'''Ethnicity does not equal language!'''

::I did lead your advice and I did add my objections on the talk pages of [[Slavic peoples]], [[West Slavs]], [[South Slavs]] and [[Czechs]]. Futhermore I am certain that [[ethnicity]] is not equal to [[language]], which I bet is used in your sources for that partition of Slavic peoples of yours. '''Czechs were never "Ethnic Western Slavic peoples" (called historically and traditionally "Lechs")''' and they never were considered as such at least by Slavic peoples in Europe last 1000 years of written history. Can you prove me wrong? I have here sources already from XIII century to this day considering Czechs as [[ethnicity|Ethnic]] South Slavic peoples. This is historical as well as traditional ethnic partition amongst Slavic peoples.

::[[Ethnicity|Ethnic]] West Slavic peoples are not equal with [[West Slavs]] as it seems and Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples are not equal with [[South Slavs]]. Slavic languages 1000 years ago were still quite similiar to eachother and not like it is today. However even from earlier times Slavic peoples had these ethnic partitions amongst [[Slavic peoples]]. "[[Lech%2C founder of Poland|Lechs]]" stand for Ethnic Western Slavic peoples, "[[Forefather %C4%8Cech|Czechs]]" stand for Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples and "[[Lech%2C Czech and Rus|Rusins]]" stand for Ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples. This is major partition amongst Slavic peoples and it is not based on [[language]], but on [[ethnicity]]. Even if Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples by their [[ethnicity]]. [[Czechs]] during entire written history never were ethnic Lechs like [[Poles]]. Every historical source is certain on this issue. It is possible that this ethnic partition is even older then any possible differentiation of [[Proto-Slavic language]]. I direct you to "[[Lech%2C Czech and Rus]]", which is part of Slavic spoken history as well as historical and traditional ethnic partition on Lechs, Czechs and Rusins used amongst Slavic people by the Slavic peoples. Every dictionary and lecture commenting this ethnic partition will ensure that [[Czechs]] were always adressed as "[[Forefather %C4%8Cech|Czechs]]" and not like Poles "[[Lech%2C founder of Poland|Lechs]]". Czechs and Poles do belong to different ethnic groups otherwise one had to put [[Czechs]] and [[Poles]] together with [[Belarusians]] and [[Ukrainians]] into the same Western Slavic ethnicity, as the Lechs, the Czechs and the Rusins originate from the same ethnic origin, which probably used the same [[proto-Slavic language]]. All historical sources begining from XIII century ('''"Chronicle of Greater Poland" written in year 1295''') prove it to be the general ethnic partition used by Slavic peoples in Europe.

::Sorry, but [[ethnicity]] does not equal [[language]]. Never did. Never will. You must also make people to be of the same ethnicity and that means the same tradition and you will always fail to do so with Poles and Czechs! Poles and Czechs are well known Western-Southern divide in ethnicity amongst Slavic peoples. Making Czechs as Ethnic Western Slavic poeples makes them "Lechs", which is contradictory with Czechs and Poles historical partitions on Lechs and Czechs documented in written sources already from XIII century.

:: [[User:Pan Piotr Glownia|Pan Piotr Glownia]] 15:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
:::In any case, this is at most a local tradition amongs western Slavs, and not a realistic division of ethnicities in any measurable or provable way. Ethnicity is a result of common identity, not genetics or lingustics. Neither Czechs nor Southern Slavs think Czechs are Southern Slavs, therefore they aren't. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 16:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

==Picture popups==
Pretty nifty hack. I do find the overlapping licensing information (especially the logos) rather annoying -- would it be possible to move that outside the image area, e.g. into a button in the window frame? --[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] [[User:Eloquence/CP|*]] 20:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:It's possible now with some ugly css hacking. In fact, that was the original idea, but the logos were too small. It's a good idea for an optional feature, and I'll try to add it when I rewrite the thing to work with ajax (yet again). You see, the tool is currently in a weird place, development-wise. This version works very nicely, but it's quite a dirty hack. There's a sort-of working cleaner version using ajax at [[User:Zocky/PicturePopupsDev.js]], but it needs to be rewritten again to get rid of the Prototype library, which seems to have weird disagreements with our setup. New features should probably go to that branch.
:Give it some time, and if logos still annoy you, we'll at least make the css user configurable. In the meantime, check out the extended version at [[User:Zocky/PictureMapPopups.js]] (click on [[almost any]] coordinate link in a geographic article to see what it does), and the much undderrated [[User:Zocky/Link Complete]]. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 02:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Daniel Brandt]]==
I don't know if it's going to work. I don't know if, even in not working, it will break the logjam. I don't even know if ''I'' agree with your proposal as given (I have many hardcore inclusionist tendencies). But it is a valiant, noble, well thought out try, that can only make things better, (since at worst it will just be reverted, as you encourage). In short, I am proud to have you on this project. --[[User:AnonEMouse|AnonEMouse]] [[User_talk:AnonEMouse|(squeak)]] 16:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for your support. I guess my primary hope is that we start talking about what to do with that article without !voting. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 16:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

==Search box==
Hello. I'm really sorry if this is a frequently asked question but I've tried installing your search box tool and can't seem to get it working. I've added the script to my monobook, flushed the cache (CTRL+F5) gone to an article, hit edit and then. 1. tried clicking on "Find on this page....." 2.CTRL+F 3.ALT then E then F. None of which seems to bring up your application. I'm running IE7 on windows XP professional - am I being a dunce? --[[User:Mcginnly|Mcginnly]] | [[User talk:Mcginnly|Natter]] 16:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

==Recall==
I did not want to go this route, as I hoped you would reverse your own mistakes. Unfortunately, someone else did so, even after you were given ample opportunity to do so yourself, including requests from many uninvolved and unrelated editors. As it stands, your actions at [[Daniel Brandt]]:
* Did not meet our [[WP:PPOL|protection policy]], as there was no edit war, no vandalism, and no BLP issues at the time of your protection.
* Your protection was used to gain positioning in an article you were editing. You made a massive, bold edit, and then protected the page, thus keeping anyone who did not share the same powers you've been trusted with to fix the problem.
* I believe your bold edit, on its own, to be okay, but [[WP:BOLD#.E2.80.A6but_don.27t_be_reckless.|reckless]]. In particular, "[[A]]n incautious edit to such an article can be likened to stirring up a hornet's nest, and other users who are involved in the page may react angrily." This certainly occurred, and your page protection exacerbated that situation.

Especially given the problems we've recently had with [[Brian Peppers]], and the ArbCom case going on regarding IAR-style situations surrounding the Brandt article, this was a very, very poor decision. I'm not sure if invoking your Administrators Open to Recall category is the right move, but I feel it's proper of me to inform you that I am considering it based on your abusive use of the tools. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]] 17:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

: Reiterating measured support for Zocky's intentions, as I wrote a couple of sections above. True, protection was even more ... bold ... than standard, but note that he specifically welcomes another admin reverting it, which is what eventually happened. On a normal article with marginal admin interest, that would be abusive, but this one had and has plenty of admin interest, on all sides of the question. If he had just stubbed and protected in an effort to stir up the hornet's nest, I'd be just one of a long line of admins reverting ASAP. Instead he made a well-thought out explanation on the talk page, that, on the whole, got more measured support than opposition. Note how strongly I was against Yanksox's actions on [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Daniel Brandt|that DRV]], I must have a dozen comments on that page. Unlike Yanksox, I believe Zocky's attempt was in the best traditions of [[WP:BOLD]] and [[WP:BRD]]. --[[User:AnonEMouse|AnonEMouse]] [[User_talk:AnonEMouse|(squeak)]] 18:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

::To me, that shows a massive fault with the administrators who chose to do nothing. But we'll see what happens. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]] 18:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

:FWIW, I'd support Jeff if he does decide to ask for recall, although I do not have strong enough convictions on this topic to actually ask for it myself. --[[User talk:Gwern |Gwern]] [[Special:Contributions/Gwern | (contribs)]] 18:59 [[2 March]] [[2007]] (GMT)

Jeff, I hate to stoop to this level of discussion, but please stop acting like a brat. You today managed to sabotage a possible precedent for an orderly and non-inflamatory application of IAR, just because you couldn't <s>get over yourself</s> wait for a couple of days. In fact, if you checked my logs and contributions, or simply remembered that we were on the same side of the process/result debate in many discussions, you should have seen this yourself. But instead, you engaged in a knee-jerk attack on my actions, my solutions, and my motives, simply because you suddenly decided I was from the other side.

I tried to find a novel way forward without making any attempt to stifle the discussion or force a lasting solution. If that's what you want admins who consistently follow policy to be recalled for, that's your prerogative. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 04:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:Wow. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]] 05:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:And the fact that you think patience is at the core of this and instead decide to act this way about it speaks volumes. I actually wasn't planning on taking it further after taking some time today - given your reaction to legitimate criticism, now I'm not so sure. By the way, I didn't sabotage anything - I didn't officially ask for unprotection, I didn't start the AfD. Your "orderly" and "uninflammatory" (which I wholeheartedly disagree with) abandonment was the only issue here. If you need to point fingers at how this ended up, point 'em elsewhere. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]] 05:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::There is patience and there is procrastination. I thought that it was prudent to act well before the AFD and all the crap that would have followed. IMO, the most likely outcome was a 50/50 AFD, followed by a somewhat early close to delete and no admin daring to overturn it. That would have raised the temperature much more than what I did. Talking about it in a calm environment while the article was in state which satisfied people who want it gone, without removing any information, might have. And come on, you weren't offering criticism. You were spoling for a fight. That's not the same thing. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 05:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Or you can simply assume bad faith about my motives. That works, too. I didn't come back for this bullshit, that's for damn sure. --[[User:Badlydrawnjeff|badlydrawnjeff]] [[User_talk:Badlydrawnjeff|talk]] 05:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::::If I misused any of the words, I apologize. I'm not a native speaker. My intention is to describe your words, not your motives. "I agree/disagree with this action/these arguments for this and this encyclopedia-related-reason" is legitimate criticsm. "I think this was a bad decision" is legitimate criticism. You did offer some of that, and I repeatedly invited you to offer more.
::::But you also provided "You're merely leaning on IAR to get your way", "this situation is due to administrative abuse", and numerous threats to "take it further". That's not legitimate criticism, that's raising the temperature. [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 05:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== A concern ==

Zocky, I appreciate your efforts in trying to find a solution to the Brandt article situation, but please don't create a separate article about his attack site. He has tried to cause a lot of harm to some Wikipedians by "outing" them. We shouldn't be drawing attention to a website that does that. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 19:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:But Wikipedia isn't censored! ^_^ [[User:Miltopia|Milto LOL pia]] 20:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
::We don't link to self-published websites that contain personal attacks on named living persons, for moral and legal reasons. We don't do it with any website, not just Brandt's. So if we're wary of even linking, it seems absurd actually to create an article on one. Another reason is that we're trying to reduce the amount of Brandt material, not increase it. We've already got [[Daniel Brandt|his bio]], [[Google Watch]], and [[Public Information Research]], which is already too many for a borderline notable figure. I think we should publish all the material, including his bio, in [[Public Information Research]], which is his company name, but it won't fly; people are again voting to keep the bio. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 00:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== IAR ==
Zocky, I've just read your comment on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Brandt (13th nomination)#Can we please stop this madness?]] ( "... With it we also squandered a chance to establish the precedent for proper application of IAR") and I wanted to say that I expect that your use of IAR in this matter will be looked on fondly in the future. Being only a normal editor I have wondered about the utility of IAR (I often wonder what drugs the admins are on), but when I saw your use of it I was both mortified and full of awe. For my own part, I believe that the article should either be a well rounded bio just like the rest of them, or all BLP should be removed. In short, I didnt like the end product of your IAR. OTOH I strongly believe in Wikipedia being a work in progress: at any instant any article could be complete [[wikt:codswallop|cod's wallop]] so a complete overhaul should always be possible if we assume good faith for the part played by the bold (of course, versioning will help this), and nobody will fault you for not being bold enough. Despite my distaste for your solution, it was beautiful to see a well reasoned application and execution of IAR. In the end, the solution you proposed was not accepted by the community because of other factors, but you should be commended for the quality of the attempt, and I hope to see future attempts to IAR have as much thought put into them as you obviously put into this one. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 07:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== RFC closure ==

I wasn't calling for a closure to the RFC, but rather saying that there's little benefit in calling for blood (or more blood). After you've heard 3 or 4 people say the same, you stop listening. I hope for the sake of his sanity that Essjay never reads more than a fraction of the comments. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 16:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

==????==
On your comment on Essjay's talk page, were you referring to me or to Jayzel when telling us to read before snapping at someone? Sorry if I misinterpreted your comment. --[[User:Kzrulzuall|'''''K.Z''''']] [[User talk:Kzrulzuall|''' Talk ''']] '''''•''''' [[User:Kzrulzuall/VandalismLog| ''' Vandal ''']] '''''•''''' [[Special:Contributions/Kzrulzuall|''' Contrib ''']] 01:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

==bug==
[[User:Zocky/Link Complete]]
It is persistant aout saying that there are no availible pages when ever I type in it. I put wiki in it and it basically said that there were no pages there to link to. Please help --[[User:Darkest Hour/Directory| Darkest Hour]] 22:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I changed it yesterday so that it always works on tab (ctrl+space should still work on Windows, but apparently it didn't work on mac). Which browser/OS are you using? [[User talk:Zocky|Zocky]] | [[User:Zocky/Picture Popups|picture popups]] 07:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
::Um I messed up the lik complete works wonders but the [[User:Zocky/Auto Complete]] is whats buggy. Firefox is my browser --[[User:Darkest Hour/Directory| Darkest Hour]] 16:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flower==

Yesterday was day for women here, was it why you posted a flower ? Very nice :-) thanks [[User:Anthere|Anthere]]

: Hvala za rožico, zelo prijazno od tebe :) --[[User:Missmarple|Missmarple]] 07:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

==AutoComplete==
Hi there, thought I would post this query on your user page and not under the AutoComplete page, but I was wondering if there was a way to write some code to include non-caps sensitive words. Example: If I type for "List of firefox extensions" it comes up with no pages, but if I type "List of Firefox Extensions" it comes up with the page (obviously shorter searches are the same. Was just raising the question if there was a way to add in a non-case sensitive option as this is often the reason some people don't link to the correct article. Thanks for listening! [[User:Timclare|'''''Timclare''''']] [[User talk:Timclare|(talk)]] [[User:Timclare/Autographs|(sign here)]] 23:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

== Wrestling ==

Zocky, I have been trying to drum up some dialogue regarding wrestling but there have been no takers. Today, I decided to roll up my sleeves and get to work. I could be way over my head, so any advice would be appreciated. [[User:Penciljunk|Penciljunk]] 19:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

: You are probably right, [[wrestling]] will need some mention \ section about professional wrestling. You should make a mention of this in the talk page; if you don't I will eventually put it in the talk section if I don't get to it in the regular section.[[User:Penciljunk|Penciljunk]] 16:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

: I added professional wrestling to the wrestling page. [[User:Penciljunk|Penciljunk]] 17:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== In Your Free Time ==

When you have a few minutes, can you please implement [[User:Demi/SuperTextPopupHistoryAnnotate]]? Thanks! [[User:Demi|Demi]] [[User_talk:Demi|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Demi|C]] 21:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== PicturePopups Bug with Licence Text ==

Hey Zocky,
I'm using your great PicturePopups script, but there seems to be a bug which I haven't experienced previously.
With some pictures (like the first screenshot of Vista on [[Microsoft Windows]]), the licence text appears even when the mouse is not over the license icon. I made a screenshot: http://xs514.xs.to/xs514/07145/Unbenannt.PNG . What's the matter? Cheers, [[User:Regenspaziergang|Regenspaziergang]] 17:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

:Hey, just to let you know I've had the same problem with the image at the top of [[notepad]] - oddly enough it is also a vista window. Thought I should point it out, great bit of script though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 01:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

User:...adam...

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I'm a 22 year old final year [[mathematics|maths]] student at [[Clare College, Cambridge|Clare College,]] [[University of Cambridge|Cambridge]]. Originally from [[Kingston-Upon-Hull|Hull]], I find this massively embarrassing and so have spent the last three years living in [[Cambridge]] and am moving to [[London]] in July, to work as a [[consultant]] over summer and then [[teach]] for an indefinite amount of time.

I have been a user of [[Wikipedia]] for years but I've only started [[wikipedia:introduction|editing ]] relatively recently.

*My [[milestone]] edits
**[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Union_of_Clare_Students&diff=prev&oldid=17273282 My first edit]
**[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:...adam.../Header&diff=prev&oldid=119797023 My five hundredth edit]
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**Comedy (if I can ever get my act together to organise one)
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**Playing around with all the pages relating to ''[[The Mighty Boosh]]'', ''[[15 Storeys High]]'', [[Chris Morris (satirist)|Chris Morris]] and [[Charlie Brooker]] for the simple reason that they are what have been making me laugh recently.
**[[WP:VAND|Anti-Vandalism]] (I keep an eye on [[Special:Recent Changes|Recent Changes]] and [[Special:New Pages|New Pages]], and I use [[WP:TW|Twinkle]], [[WP:VPRF|VandalProof]] and [[WP:NPW|NPWatcher]])
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User:...adam.../stuff

2007-04-23T00:42:27Z

...adam...: 500

Script/copies of pages I find useful/educational/pretty. If you wrote any of this and are annoyed that I have put it here, I am sorry - just tell me on my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:...adam...&action=edit&section=new Talk Page] or [[special:emailuser/...adam...|e-mail me]] and I'll get rid of it.

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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:...adam.../Header&diff=prev&oldid=119797023 My five hundredth edit]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=121709957 My thousandth edit]

Userpages:

*ed_g2s - [[User:...adam.../stuff/1|here]]
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*mine (current to play with) [[User:...adam.../stuff/8|here]]
*Virtual Classroom [[User:The_Transhumanist/Virtual_classroom]]
*userpage I tried to fix but copied to my userpage first [[User:...adam.../stuff/12|page]] and [[User:...adam.../stuff/13|template]]
*[[User:Walton_monarchist89]]

Bits of script:

*icons next to title - [[User:...adam.../stuff/3|here]] and [[User:...adam.../stuff/5|here]]
*link to tree of user subpages - [[User:...adam.../stuff/3|here]]
*"this is a userpage" - [[User:...adam.../stuff/4|here]]
*wikipedia active/inactive notice I like - [[User:...adam.../stuff/6|here]]
*big quotation marks - [[User:...adam.../stuff/9|here]]
*prefix index (use for archive box somehow??) - [[User:...adam.../stuff/10|here]]
*Existential - [[User:...adam.../stuff/11|here]]
*Another edit counter [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=...adam...&dbname=enwiki_p]

Bob Jackson (musician)

2007-04-22T23:39:45Z

...adam...: removed redlink

''This article is about the musician. For the photographer of Lee Harvey Oswald's shooting, see [[Bob Jackson (photographer)]].''

{{Infobox musical artist
|Name = Bob Jackson
|Img =
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|Background = solo_singer
|Birth_name =
|Born = [[6 January]] [[1948]] [[Coventry]], [[England]]
|Died =
|Genre = [[Rock music]]
|Occupation = [[Singer-songwriter]]
|Years_active = 1971-present
|Instrument = [[Piano]], [[Guitar]]
|Label = [[RSO Records|RSO]], [[Epic Records|Epic]], [[Sire Records|Sire]], Creole, Snapper
|Associated_acts = [[Badfinger]], [[The Fortunes]], [[The Searchers (band)|The Searchers]], The David Byron Band
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'''Robert 'Bob' Jackson''' (born [[6 January]] [[1948]], [[Coventry]], [[England]]), is a keyboardist/guitarist whose career has been interwoven with various rock and pop bands since the early 1970s.

Jackson formed his first professional rock group in 1969, called "Indian Summer." The group released the album ''Indian Summer'' in 1971, and then disbanded the following year. Jackson joined [[John Entwistle]]'s new band "Rigor Mortis" in 1972 and played on their debut tour. Jackson and fellow bandmate Alan Ross decided to put together their own group in 1973, calling themselves "Ross". They released two albums on [[RSO Records]]; ''Ross'' in 1973, and ''The Pit and the Pendulum'' in 1974. This hard rock group failed to capture an audience and disbanded after the release of its second album.

Jackson was hired by the group [[Badfinger]] in August 1974, the first time he had joined an established rock act. Although originally secured as a replacement for one of its members, Pete Ham, Jackson was retained as an additional member when Ham withdrew his resignation. Following a British tour supporting the group "Man", [[Badfinger]] recorded the album ''Head First'' for [[Warner Brothers]] in December. Due to legal entanglements and mismanagement, ''Head First'' was unreleased at the time. Jackson was finally able to release the recordings on CD in 2000.

Badfinger disbanded following Ham's suicide in 1975. Jackson remained in contact with Badfinger's bassist Tom Evans, and the two joined "The Dodgers" in 1976. The Dodgers released a handful of singles and one album by 1977, the year Jackson was released by the band due to management disagreements.

Jackson was hired by [[The Searchers]] in 1979, contributing to the group's tours and two subsequent album releases, ''The Searchers'' (1979) and ''Play For Today'' (1980). In 1980 Jackson joined "The David Byron Band" formed by [[Uriah Heep (band)|Uriah Heep]]'s former lead singer. None of the group's recordings had been released by the time Jackson left the band in 1981, and the group continued to tour until Byron's death in 1985.

Jackson and Tom Evans reteamed in 1982 and formed a new version of [[Badfinger]] for several U.S. tours. This version of the band rivaled another version created by former Badfinger member [[Joey Molland]], also touring in the same market. Evans committed suicide in late 1983, which ended Jackson's [[Badfinger]]. He later teamed with Molland and Mike Gibbins (original Badfinger drummer) for a [[Badfinger]] outing in 1984 for a specialty tour in the U.S., after which the members went their separate ways. Jackson was apparently idle for several years after 1984, making some home recordings for demonstration records but did not tour.

Jackson appeared on two CDs in the 1990s; [[7 Park Avenue]] and [[Golders Green (album)|Golders Green]], which are posthumous releases by Jackson's old bandmate from Badfinger. He was subsequently hired by [[The Fortunes]] in 1995, and he remained with the group off-and-on for the next 10 years, releasing three albums and performing on several tours. On 18 May 2006, Jackson rejoined the Fortunes and has performed with them recently at Potters Holidays on the East Coast June 10.

==Discography==
*''Indian Summer'' by Indian Summer, 1971
*''Ross'' by Ross, 1973
*''The Pit And The Pendulum'' by Ross, 1974
*''Head First'' by Badfinger, recorded 1974 (released 2000)
*''Love On The Rebound'' by The Dodgers, 1978
*''The Searchers'' by The Searchers, 1979
*''Play For Today'' by The Searchers, 1980
*''7 Park Avenue'' by Pete Ham, 1997
*''Golders Green'' by Pete Ham, 1999
*''some bridges...'' by The Fortunes, 1999
*''The Fortunes...Live'' by The Fortunes, 2001
*''Heroes Never Die'' by The Fortunes, 2004

== References ==
*Dan Matovina: ISBN 0-9657122-2-2
*Dan Matovina: [http://www.mindspring.com/~crimson3 Badfinger Biography Pages]
*Tom Brennan: [http://www.badfingerlibrary.com Badfinger Library]

[[Category:1949 births|Jackson, Bob]]
[[Category:Badfinger members|Jackson, Bob]]
[[Category:English keyboardists|Jackson, Bob]]
[[Category:English rock guitarists|Jackson, Bob]]
[[Category:Living people|Jackson, Bob]]

Wikipedia talk:User pages

2007-04-22T23:19:19Z

...adam...: /* Placing images outside #content */ my two cents

{{shortcut|[[WT:UP]]}}{{Comment|Useful link:
*[[Wikipedia:Userfication]]}}

'''Archives:''' [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]], [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] • [[Wikipedia_talk:User_page/UI_spoofing|UI spoofing]]

== Polemical statements ==

Apparently forbidden are "personal statements that could be considered polemical, such as opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia". Does this cover [[User:Ashley Y#Opinions]]? Am I obliged to remove them? —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 00:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

:So, um, I take it no-one would object if removed the "polemical statements & opinions" clause? —[[User:Ashley Y|Ashley Y]] 16:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Slow down, give it more than a few hours. I'd say keep the phrase, and allow exceptions - after all, this is guideline, not policy. Personally, I would consider your section OK, because it does not appear to be intentionally "inciting disputation", although it could perhpas be "causing controversy" (both quotes from [[polemic]]). You've made it clear that they are only your opinions, and that you've put them there not to advocate them so much as to be honest and show fellow editors what your opinions are. Some people will likely take the opposite view, though. [[User:SeventyThree/Sig|SeventyThree]]([[User talk:SeventyThree/Sig|Talk]]) 17:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

: I agree with [[User:SeventyThree]]. Keep the phrase, it's a guideline and there are always exceptions. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 22:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

So what are people's thoughts on such content as "I'm a dyed in the wool fascist and bigot with a dried up cunt"? [[User:Exploding Boy|Exploding Boy]] 15:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate language ''anywhere'' on Wikipedia. Unless it qualified as an important part of an article, I suppose. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 17:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

: I'd say get rid of it, preferably with the user's consent. If they're a long-term contributor and are working with and for the project, then they might get away with a better wording. If they've just turned up, they may just be trying to cause trouble - or they just don't understand/know about this page. It's all about the interpretation, which is why phrases like "polemical statements & opinions" should stay in guidelines and not policy. It's a case-by-case basis for most things, depending on what else they're doing. [[User:SeventyThree/Sig|SeventyThree]]([[User talk:SeventyThree/Sig|Talk]]) 17:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Just what, exactly, constitutes "matters unrelated to Wikipedia," might I ask? I mean, honestly, doesn't Wikipedia ''by definition'' cover just about every topic there is? Why is it kosher for a user to explain on his userpage (at great length) the benefits of owning an Apple computer, but a 43px userbox that simply states a user's religion is summarily deleted with no debate or explanation? Both most definitely constitute "matters related to Wikipedia," judging by the sheer number of edits on each subject's article. In reality, parts of [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not]] might more accurately read, "Wikipedia is not censored, except on the userpages. There you may write whatever you want, as long as your opinion doesn't offend anyone (most especially the hallowed Jimbo)." Oops, there's a "polemical statement." Good thing this is a Talk page. Oh, wait, are those safe anymore? [[User:Cathryn|Cathryn]] 17:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

== Interwikilink ==

Could someone add an iw to [[:nl:Wikipedia:Gebruikerspagina]]? Thx, [[User:IIVQ|IIVQ]] 21:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

: Added. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 16:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

== Point of Information: User page content. ==
The reason I joined Wikipedia is to add encyclopaedic content (i.e. contribute to or create articles which are in the so-called 'article space.')

How does having content on my user page further this goal? --[[User:Folajimi|Folajimi]] 17:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:I use my user page for a variety of purposes. Primarily, I use it to help me keep track of articles to which I've made photographic contributions. By reviewing these articles periodically, I can spot articles in new langauges soon after they are created. I can then check to see if I have an image that might make a useful illustration. I also use my user page to help me find links I use frequently. My user page also lets folks know a little bit about me, and that may help (or not) my credibility. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 14:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The reason I joined Wikipedia is to revise it. I am unsure of my facts, but while I am looking, I would like to use my sandbox as a 'drop box'. Can I copy directly from my sandbox to a page to edit? [[User:Norwell ms|Norwell ms]] 14:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:Sure. When you are ready to move content over, just copy and paste. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 14:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Bite ==

:''Non-free images found on a user page (including user talk pages) may be removed (preferably by replacing it with a link to the image) from that page without warning (and, if not used in a Wikipedia article, deleted entirely).''

This does not read like a policy page and should be re written. Please mind [[WP:Bite|Bite]] and [[WP:AGF|AGF]]. I think it is un[[WP:civil|civil]] to not warn a user beforehand. Although our Userspace is not ours, I feel we can avoid a lot of conflict early on (Hence saving time) if we address our fellow wikipidias as good faith Human Beings and not as copyvio lunatics. Many users fell some personal connection to their user space and do not like it when others edit it. Many users would prefer if we just let them know there was something wrong with their user space and trusted them to remove it themselves after explaining our rational behind our policy. If we did such users should be more than happy to remove it themselves

I fear if we fail to let them know in advance why they can't use the images would set them up for a closed mind and, Instead of Saving the Fair use Police time, Only Make the Fair use Police spend Infinite time Answering and arguing with all the people who ask why they can't use the images. Unfortunately, not all the Fair use Police are Capable of Explaining the Policy and instead of talking to these users they just says "We are not allowed to have fair use images on our talk pages per policy" and refuse to point to the policy or an explanation of why the policy exists. I know of users who have a large fallowing of dedicated enemies just because of this issue. These users fell no responsibility to

I propose we
#create a warning template to put on user talk pages requesting they remove the fair use images themselves,
#Give them a deadline to remove the images themselves or we will have to remove it
#Categorizing the user as having Fair use images so we can check up on them an remove the Category after the image has been removed
#Explain why we have the policy.
#Something Nice and Empathetic so they can relate to us. Something like I'm sorry you can;t use that image, but feel free to find a free image to replace it. Something close to but not quote could work. A Blue G for Google or a Black U for Encyclopedia or something along those lines. Make them fell like we understand them.

The Template can include a date and we could have on the fair use page a place for users to go to the Cat that expires that day and check for the removal of fair use. The Template can include a link to the Violation for Quick checking. and the removal of the cat before the removal of the fair use image can result in 1 stern warning for Disrupting Wikipedia ability to legally and morally defend itself and falloed by a "Sorry but i have to block you" message Empasizing with the user but also informing them that we have no choice but to Block you or protect your talk page.

When a fair use image that I did not even know at the time was far use was removed from a userspace page (it was userfield copy of a real Wikipidia page It really struck me the wrong way). When i went to the user's own talk page I saw Numerous Complaints on the users Exstream "Far use" removal, Even about not leaving messages on other user talk pages, I even found Fair use images on that user's talk page and got blocked for [[WP:Point]]ing it out to him by removing it myself (I want even told I was block and I was blocked for a First offence that didn't really violate WP:Point and I couldn't apologize or take back what I did because i was Blocked). And to top it off. I even found out that that user had Argued with the Copyright holder why we can't use the image that was on my Userspace. I feel a much more Civil response needs to be Mandatory.
:To sum it all off. The image was Fairly used as Identification, But we aren't allowed Fair use images on userspace any way, The copyright holder gave permission for use to use it as decoration on userspace, however he could not licence it for commercial use. I had no clue why I count use this image and had to find out for my self. The Policy was not Clear and the user who removed it had violations of his own along with numerous complaints

This Issie got our interactions off on the wrong food and could easily be corrected by trusting us t remove the images ourselves

I am willing to settle for the policy to just remove the permission to not leave a message and say such actions are discouraged, However i feel it should be mandatory to leave a message on the talk page and Suggested to trust the user to remove it themselves.

I think it is Obvious how not leaving a message is a violation of [[WP:AFG]] and [[WP:Bite]]. If this is not obvious to you leave a response and I can elaborate until you understand. And if you still don;t we will have to agree to disagree, or we can take it out back and settle it like real Men, 2:00 tomorrow on the Peak of MT Everest, Be there or Be square, What are you too Chicken to defend your right to Know at noobs and be Cynical about our lovely world, Trust me nobody will miss a Cynic.

The Policy should read

:''If you find a Non-free images on a user page or user talk pages, please leave {{tls|FUUP}} (Fair use on User Page) on their talk page, or, if the image is not used in a Wikipedia article, leave a {{tls|badfairuse}} if they put a Fair use tag on it or {{tls|image copyright}} if the image is not tagged but likely is a Fair Use image''

But i can settle for

:''If you find a Non-free images on a user page or user talk pages your can remove it yourself or leave {{tls|FUUP}} (Fair use on User Page) on their talk page. If the image is not used in a Wikipedia article, deleted the Image and or leave a {{tls|badfairuse}} if they put a Fair use tag on it or {{tls|image copyright}} if the image is not tagged but likely is a Fair Use image''

I can make the template if you so desire.

Some existing template about Fair use are
{{tls|badfairuse}}
{{tls|image copyright}}
{{tls|Image no source last warning}}
{{tls|image source}}
{{tls|name your images}}
{{tls|nothanks}}
{{tls|nothanks-drm}}
{{tls|nothanks-sd}}

Please Be Kind to our fellow wikipedian friends --[[User:Yskyflyer|E-Bod]] 04:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
==Ad removed==
I've removed the ad for "userpage help" which talks about "designing" userpages and the like. Userpages really are not homepages and we mustn't put anything in our guidelines that give the impression that they are. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 22:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

== Where is the user box stuff documented ==

Stuff like:

This user is a proud Briton.

This user is this.

This user is that.

Where is it documented all the stuff you can do?

Thanks. [[User:AbstractClass|AbstractClass]] 21:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it on the link that Tony Sidaway so unhelpfully removed. - [[User:AbstractClass|AbstractClass]] 21:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought stuff like "This user is and never has been Napoleon" would be considered as 'non-encyclopaedic' or deviant from construction of an encyclopaedia? I have it in my user page but reading this makes it seem unappropriate. I think this type of thing needs clearing up. [[User:Snodawg|Snodawg]] 22:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== thinking ==

ever wont to go to something really bad so u go then u find out that u like some one there? So then u dont wont to look bad in front of them. But then ur like "i really shouldent care cuz i cant like them" but u do so then u dont wont to go any more but everyone else around u is like GO!! GO!! GO!!. And ur just like errr....drading the mommont u walk in there.

== Luxembourg ==
Hi Gilliam, still working on the Lux Wiki? Early for you, (too) late for me, I'm about to go to bed. Great your handling with so many languages. Maybe we here more from you :-) (CU, [[lb:User:Myriam|Myriam]])

== German Solution User Boxes?? ==
I just noticed that on my page [[User: Joel Russ|Joel Russ]] that one of my chosen "User Boxes" (for Wikipedians who enjoy bicycling) has disappeard and been replaced with a box linked to a German Wikipedian's page. So I wonder if this may happen with many of the User Boxes. It's not a big deal in a way, because the User Boxes are sort of just colorful doo-dads. But on the other hand, those of us who've put them into our user pages have elected to do so with a certain understanding - which understanding is no longer holding up. You can see the example on my page, and probably (with other interest boxes?) on other pages. (The large majority of my user boxes are still the iriginal, selected ones.) What do I do? Is this a trend? Is it an outcome of a controversy? I'm baffled.--[[User:Joel Russ|Joel Russ]] 15:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[[User: Joel Russ|Joel]]

== Editing Userpages ==

Can someone help me. I know that this is going to sound realy stupid, but I've forgotten where I got half the resources for my Userpage from. Particularly the "mirror site" template, and the "Pic of the Day" template. Any help would be much appreciated. [[User:Dessydes|Dessydes]] 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, found it. [[User:Dessydes|Dessydes]] 17:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
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==Personal details==

AnnH, this caveat is needed because it is entirely true. A naïve reading of policy will lead users to assume that personal attacks on contributors and defamation of living people are strictly forbidden on Wikipedi. Such is not the case. It's only fair to inform potential contributors what they're getting into.[[User:PolicyWonk|PolicyWonk]] 09:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== blanking inactive users ==

I've come across an editor blanking the [[WP:UP|user page]] of an inactive user (inactive for 4 months); I reverted it initially assuming it to be vandalism. The editor re-blanked it — and took affront that I had reverted them. Why should the current (and possible temporary) inactivity of a user be sufficience to blank their userpage? — '''[[User:pd_THOR|pd_THOR]]''' |''' [[User_talk:pd_THOR|=/\=]] | 12:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

==Gallery limits==
Some Wikipedia users are using their userpages as a gallery of sorts -- providing links to dozens upon dozens of images. Such pages are a huge drain on Wikipedia servers. Perhaps a policy should be instituted -- no more than, say, 5Mb of thumblinked photos. Assuming that the pictures are thumblinked to the original, 5Mb is a considerable amount for any one page -- any more images could be placed onto a subpage in userspace. [[User:Banaticus|Banaticus]] 08:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:Is this rely a huge problem? Userpages don't get that much trafic and if you are looking for the talk page you don't ''have'' to wait for all the images to load. Overly exessive cases should preferably be dealth with by asking the user in question to please tone it down, not because his page is XMb to large, but because it's starting to be disruptive. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] [[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]] 10:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::Agree with the comment that we shouldn't deal with something because it is "''XMb too large''". We should advoid using arbitary numbers that are part of [[instruction creep]]. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 04:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Talk page redirect ==

Should we add a note in here to recommend (but not require) users who do not have a userpage and do not intend to create one to set up a redirect to their user talk page? User pages sitting there idle are pretty much useless, so this would save everybody an extrea click. - [[User:Mike1|''' Mike ''']][[User_talk:Mike1|'''| trick or treat ''']] 02:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:I've made the change in the guide. Feel free to revert me if you disagree and we can discuss on the talk page. - '''[[User:Mike1|Mike]] | [[User talk:Mike1|Talk]]''' 21:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Licensing ==
Is the licensing of userpage content open for discussion ? If so, we should add the option to license userpage content under different licenses. -- [[User:ExplicitImplicity|ExpImp]][[User Talk:ExplicitImplicity|talk]][[Special:Contributions/ExplicitImplicity|con]] 04:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

==Blanking one's own talk page==

Are there any guidelines about whether users can or cannot delete the contents of their own talk pages? In my experience, normally whatever messages you got on your talk page you leave them there until it's time to archive them, so that everyone can have easy access to what has been discussed there. That is, except for personal attacks or obscenities, which can be deleted by anyone, on sight. But some users just remove every post (or selected posts...) as soon as they read them, or very shortly after. Is this okay? I think it is especially important to leave a post on your talk page when it concerns your bad edits or the violation of some Wikipedia policy, so that other users who come to complain about the same problem will find previous posts there.

Any thoughts? — [[User:AdiJapan|AdiJapan]] [[User talk:AdiJapan|☎]] 13:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

:Of course the history has any posts, so someone looking for these can still find them. I agree that it is bad form to delete comments left by others on any talk page, including your own. There isn't anything that says they can't be removed (that I'm aware of). If your comments are removed from someone's talk page I would suggest asking the user not to remove them. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]] 05:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

::Is there an actual policy on this anywhere? [[User:Elizmr|Elizmr]] 16:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

:There has been large debates attempting to disallow removing of warnings from talk pages, but there was no consensus to make a policy. I am however working on a bot that indexes any pages history, including talk pages. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 16:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's the link to the policy and a quote on the topic:
[[WP:USERPAGE#Ownership_and_editing_of_pages_in_the_user_space]]
:“On a user's own talk page, policy does not prohibit the removal of comments at that user's discretion, although archival is preferred to removal. Please note, though, that removing warnings from one's own talk page is often frowned upon.”
::--[[User:Wowaconia|Wowaconia]] 18:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
*I've been searching for policy discussions on this very issue, but I'm drawing blanks (shudder. forgiveness, please.) Seeing users blanking warnings and block notices, essentially concealing information on their character as an editor, really gets under my skin. I realize that the page history is still in tact, but really, nine times out of ten, I only check when I notice something missing. Having to check every user's history for an accurate account of discussions pertaining to his/her edits is basically in contradiction to the spirit of [[WP:AGF]]. While removing vandalism and personal attacks is completely understandable, I think policy should explicitly address this issue. One's userspace is still [[WP:USER#Ownership_and_editing_of_pages_in_the_user_space|the property of Wikipedia]], and I think that removal of content in bad faith seems to be in contrast with the goals and standards of the community. Any thoughts? -[[User:Etafly|Etafly]] 02:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:*Hm, I just found [[Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Removing_warnings]]. I guess that shut me up. -[[User:Etafly|Etafly]] 02:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== User name ==

I want to use this username, but is already taken and is not being used right now, how can I use it?
:I don't think you can. The previous user might come back. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 23:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

::The problem is that probably I started that page and can't remember the password, and didn't give my e-mail. So what can I do? [[User:201.130.66.1|201.130.66.1]] 23:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::: I'm not sure what sort of procedure (if any) exists for password resets. What you could do is register a new account, and perform page moves or redirects on the user page and talk page for the old account. --[[User:Dgies|Dgies]] 06:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

This page seems to lay out the procedures your looking for: [[Wikipedia:Usurpation]]
::--[[User:Wowaconia|Wowaconia]] 18:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should try to think of a different user name that you like just as much. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Jazminegirl|Jazminegirl]] ([[User talk:Jazminegirl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jazminegirl|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

== Talk page - what is the best way to keep a two-way discussion readable ==

I also started a discussion at [[Help talk:Talk page#Confusion over "How to keep a two-way conversation readable"]], but what is the best way to keep a two-way discussion readable and on one page. The suggestions on the help page are confusing (hence the discussion there). Any ideas as to what the guidelines on two-way discussions on user talk pages should be followed? --[[User:Tghe-retford|tgheretford]] ([[User talk:Tghe-retford|talk]]) 23:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

==Question regarding subpages==
*[[User:Alyeska]] has a growing number of deleted articles as user subpages. No attempt has been made to improve these articles to get them back in the main namespace, so its kind of like using WP as a web host and its sorta like subpages masquerading as articles - so should they be deleted? [[User:Wickethewok|Wickethewok]] 06:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

== Fake new messages boxes ==

I noticed there was a mention of this in one of the archives, but is there anything that can be done about those fake "You have new messages" notices some people put on their user and user talk pages. I don't think they are particularly funny, but they are disruptive. Here are a few examples from doing a quick search (I am not trying to target anyone in particular):
*[[User talk:Mkdw]]
*[[User talk:Patbaseball2221]]
*[[User:Pronoun]]
*[[User:Dan027]]
*[[User:Drahcir]]
*[[User talk:ChaplineRVine]]
*[[User:EmeZxX]]
*[[User:Kirbytime]]
*[[User:Monkey13]]
I'm not trying to be part of the fun police here, and I also know that user pages are given much leeway, but these really serve no purpose. In the section of the user page policy regarding community building activities, it says "But at the same time, if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be modified to prevent disruption." That sentence may not apply to this situation, but I believe the principle should. I am interested in what others have to say about this. [[User:Khatru2|Khatru2]] 22:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
: They suck. It's like saying "Your shoelace is untied. Haha! Made you look!" Express your interests on your user page, great. But when you try and trick other users or disrupt their regular use the site you've stepped over the line into having intentionally disrupting formatting. --[[User:Dgies|Dgies]] 06:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::It is like knocking on a door then running off and laughing. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 03:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
::Like all practical jokes, their humor is derived at others' expense. Additionally, they degrade what should be a relatively sober scholarly atmosphere.[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 03:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deleting user talk pages ==

An issue arose recently with a couple of users who wanted to have their talk pages deleted because they said they were leaving. My understanding ever since I've been here is that user pages may be deleted (and if the person has been very troublesome, sometimes not even that), but not talk pages. This page says: "As a matter of practice User talk pages are generally not deleted, barring legal threats or other grievous violations that have to be removed for legal reasons; however, exceptions to this can be and are made occasionally". Someone recently added a link to [[m:Right to vanish]], but that page doesn't elaborate.

I'd like to add something to clarify this issue, because we've had a couple of cases recently of admins deleting and other admins undeleting, so it'd be good to settle it.

The main issues are (1) we don't want to make things difficult for good contributors who want to disappear, but (2) we don't want to make it easy for troublemakers to have all the complaints about them deleted, only to reappear with another account.

Does anyone have thoughts regarding how best to strike a balance? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 08:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well my two cents on this is that while to some extent the user page ''[[WP:OWN|belongs]]'' to the user, the talk page does not. The talk page generally contains additions from many other contributers, and I don't think it should be deleted without some higher purpose than the user wants it deleted. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]] 14:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

::I think Doug has it pretty much right. I would only add that it might be a good idea to weigh more heavily in favor of deleting if the user in question has not been causing trouble and ''especially'' does not have a history of socking. Regular editors in good standing who just get too busy or tired or fed up might be an exception (although the page isn't ''deleted'' deleted, is it? Admins can still get it back, right?). [[User:IronDuke|IronDuke]] 16:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

:::Admins can still read deleted pages, but you have to know they exist and go looking for them. The contributions of people who posted there disappear from their contributions histories, so there may not be any reminders of the page's existence. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 04:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, I found this discussion because I went to look for a post I'd made on someone's talk page (Francis2000), and the history was gone. It was actually kind of irritating. I'm not sure I understand the argument from the standpoint of nobody will remember because history has been erased. It's a bit [[Orwellian]]. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]] 04:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Some user talk pages are used by others to discuss various issues. I also find it irritating to go looking for these only to find they've disappeared. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 01:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think sockpuppet pages should always be kept, as the puppet tags add the pages to the category of sockpuppet of user X, and you can navigate from the category page to find other puppets. That's extremely useful when you think there may be some new ones, and you want to look through the old puppet accounts to see their editing preferences, their mannerisms, etc. There are some editors who have so many puppets that you can't remember all the user names, so once the page has been deleted, it's hard to find it again.

With regard to an editor who was just a bit disruptive, got blocked a few times for edit warring, made some mild personal attacks, and finally decided to go, I'd be inclinded to grant his request to have his user and talk pages deleted. I did that for Robsteadman. He then came back, trolled, got blocked indefinitely, started a new account as Robertsteadman, got blocked as a returning blocked user, agreed to some conditions, was unblocked on a kind of probation, and continued his trolling and personal attacks. After a while, I undeleted his Robsteadman pages, because I felt they were needed as evidence, and that he had forfeited any right to have them gone, and I brought the whole matter to one of the admin noticeboards. He was indefblocked again.

I think sockpuppet pages should ''never'' be deleted. Pages of main account holders might be, by request, but always with the understanding that they should be restored if they are needed as evidence. I think mass deletion of user pages and talk pages is wrong. Here are [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29&diff=prev&oldid=73545840 Jimbo's thoughts] on the matter. [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] [[User talk:Musical Linguist|♫]] 01:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for the input. Maybe we could draft something along the above lines then. Let people disappear so long as they're not sockpuppet accounts, and if troublemakers, anything deleted should be undeleted if they return? Nothing too rigid, but a bit more guidance than is there at the moment. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 04:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::The only times I have seen administrators deny a deletion of a user pages is when they are being used by the ArbCom. However, I haven't seen that many requests, most times users just blank them. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 04:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::User pages aren't a problem unless it's a troublemaker or sockpuppet account. Talk pages are a bit different, because the pages were written by other people, not the person wanting the deletion. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 04:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, I was referring to pages in the user namespace. Sorry for the confusion. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 04:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Blanking talk pages is fine. It's the deletion of them (not just removal) that's the problem, because it deletes other people's posts from their contributions. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 01:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

A comment, and a question:

(i) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Right_to_vanish

Advice: "3. Delete your user, user talk and subpages"

:It says "If you have used your real name, or a longstanding pen name, on Wikimedia projects then in principle everything you write can be traced to that name ..." you can delete your talk page, but I think that has to do with people who are worried about being exposed. We can certainly put something about that on the page. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 07:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::I think the point is already quite clear. [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] 07:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia policy *clearly* permits users to delete their talk pages, if they wish to leave.\

:That's what we're discussing.

::And I'm saying there's already a clear answer. [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] 07:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::Then you're the only one who thinks so. The point of this discussion is to formulate a clear answer. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 07:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

(ii) Are active users permitted to delete talk page archives? [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] 05:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:It depends what you mean by archives. If you mean archives created by moving the talk page, then no, because that's deleting the talk page. Is that what you mean? [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 06:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::No, I was referring to standard "page archives" for talk pages. Can those be deleted? [[User:CJCurrie|CJCurrie]] 07:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm not sure what you mean by "standard page archives." There are two ways of archiving pages. Some editors move their talk page to another title every so often e.g. User talk:X/archive 1. When the page is ''moved'' in that way, the history is moved with it, so if you delete the page, you delete that portion of the talk page history. That's not allowed.

:::Other editors simply ''copy'' posts into a new page that they create called User talk:X/archive 1. They are only copies; nothing has been moved, and so if you delete them, no page histories are affected, and no one else's contributions are delted, so yes, of course you can. What we're discussing here is whether editors may delete their talk page ''histories'', which cause other people's contributions to be deleted. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] [[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]] 07:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Or the third option that I use is to create links to the talk page history—which doesn't create any extra stuff to be deleted in the first place. :-) —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]] 08:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I've seen this discussion a few times and want to make sure that deleting user talk pages will still be an option in some circumstances. Here's a diff from Jimbo about this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28policy%29&diff=73545840&oldid=73542890]. I think this should depend on the user and situation, I don't think we should insist on the eternity of all talk pages or all posts on them. [[User:DVD R W| DVD]]+[[User_talk:DVD R W| R/W]] 21:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

== Swap TOC and Userboxes ==

Is it possible to swap the positions of my TOC and Userboxes so that my userboxes are farthest to the right? [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 20:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

:Replied at [[User talk:TonyTheTiger]]. [[User talk:Mike Dillon|Mike Dillon]] 05:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Overhaul of Userpages, userboxes and user signature ==
I am requesting a review into how userpages, userboxes and user signatures are created and used in Wikipedia at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Overhaul of Userpages, userboxes and user signatures]]. --[[User:Tghe-retford|tgheretford]] ([[User talk:Tghe-retford|talk]]) 12:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Images ?==
How do/can I put images from wikipedia articles on user page?
[[User:Ilikevideogames|Ilikevideogames]] 15:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

i dont know.

You add <nowiki>[[Image:<image name>|thumb]]</nowiki>, same was it is added to articles. Just make sure the image is not [[WP:FU|fair use]]. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 16:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

== List Subpages ==

Is there a way to list my subpages? I've been creating and deleting more than a few, and would just like to keep a self-updating list on another page without having to use "my contribs". [[User:*Spark*|*Spark*]] 15:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

*Along these lines I was thinking it would be nice to have a Special page link in the toolbox links for each page that would display a list of subpages for the current page. You can create a search to find these, but you find lots of other stuff, so adding a link to the toolbox links would be useful. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]] 17:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

== Line in 'removal' section ==

The line stated:

:''Please do not recreate content deleted in this way: doing so is grounds for immediate re-deletion (see criteria for speedy deletion). Instead, please respect our judgement about what is and is not appropriate.''

This is not the case; [[WP:CSD]] (a policy) explicitly states that:

:''Recreation of deleted material. A substantially identical copy, by any title, of a page that was deleted as a result of a discussion in Articles for deletion or another XfD process, unless it was undeleted per the undeletion policy or was recreated '''in the user space'''''. (my emphasis).

I've accordingly removed the line to avoid confusion, as only one of the above two statements can be right, and policy trumps guideline (this came to my attention when a user tried to speedy tag a userfied deleted article for this very reason). [[User:Proto|Proto]]::[[User_talk:Proto|type]] 10:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think the line should be restored, because it is referring to user page content that was deleted through [[WP:MFD]] rather than userfied articles deleted through [[WP:AFD]]. However, I do think the line "please respect our judgement" could be changed to refer to [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. [[User:Khatru2|Khatru2]] 22:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

== Userpages with commercial elements ==

Are they ok when the user is otherwise a productive contribuior? The example I am thinking of in particular is [[User:Rklawton]]. I'm particularly concerned about the listing of his day rate. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 21:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:One of the stated purposes of a user page is to let other users know who they are working with. A single line at the top of my page indicating my profession and rates does that very succinctly. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 21:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think the inclusion of the rates is bad form, but I don't see any real problem here. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]] 21:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

== List of accusations on a User:Page ==

[[User:Durin]] created a sub-page where he basicly lists accusations against me for uploaded images incorrectly. Half of what he says is open to debate, but the user has made this appear as some kind of policy page where the matter has already been researched (which it hasn't) This matter is very extensive but I want this deletion notice to get as wide attention as possible to get every view. Please visit: [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Durin/Husnock images]]. Thank you! -[[User:Husnock|Husnock]] 11:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Images of users ==
I have seen many user pages pictures of the user's on them. This is wrong because
# Images of users on their user pages promote social networking, which is a violation of [[WP:NOT]]
# These images of users are in the image space, which isn't appropriate since the image space is for images in articles. [[Wikipedia:Editor review/TeckWiz#second time|editor review me!]]-[[User:TeckWiz|'''T''']][[User:TeckWiz/Esperanza|e]][[User:TeckWiz|'''ckWiz''']][[User_talk:TeckWiz|Talk]][[Special:Contributions/TeckWiz|Contribs]][http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=TeckWiz&site=en.wikipedia.org # of Edits] 00:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

:My user page is a good example of this. I've uploaded and included a self-portrait. This image has no other use. It doesn't even rate inclusion in the [[self portrait]] article which contains examples only from notable artists. I have no objection to prohibiting personal images such as mine, but many other users may not feel that way. The challenge will be to manage this without causing ill will. One approach might be to start removing images from Wikipedia that do not currently appear in an article. On the other hand, this wouldn't work if the user uploads his or her image to Commons. Next problem: what if a user chooses to include some other image as an avatar instead? A lot of social networking on other sites is done through avatars, and we've got some great images from which to choose. Userboxes and [[:Category:Wikipedians|user categories]] serve as a significant social networking aid. The most important feature a social networking site has to offer is the ability to locate other users with compatible interests, and userboxes/user categories make this quite easy. In short, if the point is to eliminate social networking, banning user images probably won't help at all, and it might create some hard feelings. I think this is a pretty complicated problem - one that won't easily be solved simply by banning user's photos. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 06:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

::I think the whole situation regarding violations of [[WP:NOT#SOCIALNET]] on user pages needs explaining thoroughly, in regards to its inclusion into the [[WP:USER]] guidelines. As far as self-images on userpages are concerned, personally (and I am gulity of this) I don't mind them being uploaded, essentially what we are debating is the removal of all images from user pages which are not used in articles, and I know of a few pages, including my own, which feature self made artwork for their userpages. Coincidentially, will this include Wikipedia wikiprojects ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject BBC]] springs to mind) and community projects (for example [[Wikipedia:Esperanza]])? As a interestring side note, [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] has his own self-portrait on his user page. --[[User:Tghe-retford|tgheretford]] ([[User talk:Tghe-retford|talk]]) 12:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Good points. One might argue that Jimbo is using an image that appears in an article, too (his own). [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 14:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

My user page image has now been nominated for deletion through the IfD process because it is a user-page image (as per this discussion). I think this nomination jumps the gun a bit, but those with an interest in this topic may wish to weigh in on it here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion#Image:Rklawton.JPG IfD:Rklawton.JPG]
::Images on user pages are not for social networking, they are for our own ego. There is no policy that says the image space cannot be used for images other then those in articles. Many images are uploaded for talk pages. -[[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 05:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Polemical statements? ==

At what point is something considered polemical, and subject to removal? If I place a comment on my user page saying "Muslims are one step away from being satanists!" and linked it to a page listing self identified Muslim Wikipedians, is that considered polemical?--[[User:Vidkun|Vidkun]] 18:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Good user page examples ==

Is there a list somewhere of good user page examples? I have seen a few good ones that were very well organized with excellent layouts, and wondered whether others have noted their favorites somewhere. -- [[User:Parsa|Parsa]] 03:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

== Error in Article? ==

After reading: "Go to your userpage first, click "edit this page", then type [[/draft1]], save, then click the red link, draft1, after you save the page."

I noticed the red link was actually /draft1 rather than draft1 so is this an error or did I make a mistake? --[[User:Gellender|Gellender]] 06:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

== ack! help! ==

My userboxes all seem to have gone south for the winter! There's a big gaping blank space in between my little "greeting message" and my Babel and userboxes. I'm horrible at formatting this kind of thing, can someone help? [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lástocska]] 03:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:Fixed, let me know if you want to fix other possible issues (barnstars and Jan Slota userbox).--[[User:Piotrus| Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus| talk ]] 22:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

==What is the precedence on userpages?==
Hello, [[User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard]] is currently up for deletion.

'''My question''':

I am wondering what the '''precedence''' is on deleting userpages which encourage others to comment a certain way in AfDs and on wikipolicy.

[[Wikipedia:Spam#Canvassing]] and [[Wikipedia:User page]] don't seem to address this particular issue.

Thus far, no one has shared any precedence. By precedence I mean, a history of other userpages similar to [[User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard]] which have survived or been deleted in AfDs.
Merry Christmas, Thanks in advance. Happy holidays, [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 02:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

:Here's some precedence for 'ya.
***[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard]] -- keep
***[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard (2nd mfd)]] -- keep
[[User:Morton devonshire|Morton devonshire]] 00:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

== Does an editor OWN their user space? ==

The 9/11 Conspiracy Noticeboard, in an editor's own user space has been a bone of contention.

The owner just changes the rules stating: ''"I've decided to change the rules a bit to defuse things. From now on, the only person who gets to post new items is me"''

Is this allowed? WP is ambiguous:

As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. '''However, pages in user space still do belong to the community'''
* Contributions must be licensed under the [[GFDL]], just as articles are.
* '''Other users may edit pages in your user space''', although '''by convention''' your user page '''will usually not be edited by others'''.
* Community policies, including [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]], apply to your user space just as they do elsewhere. Article content policies such as [[WP:OR]] generally do not.
* In some cases, material that does not somehow further the goals of the project may be removed (see below), as well as edits from banned users.

In general '''it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission.''' Some users are fine with their user pages being edited, and may even have a note to that effect. Other users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is '''probably sensible to respect their requests. ''' [end quoted text]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard#Requests_for_comment 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Board - Discussion] A ruling please! Thanks - [[User:Fairness And Accuracy For All|Fairness And Accuracy For All]] 06:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:No, nobody owns anything, including user pages. Thus, no matter what he writes in the user page, anyone can edit it. If others don't do it out of courtesy, it is a different matter. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 13:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

==Images of politicians==
There is a discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard about an admin deleting from someone's user page a large 400 pixel picture of Hillary Clinton which had the caption "Please support Hillary Clinton for President in 2008.", on the grounds that it was polemic and a violation of the rules here by being a campaign poster, with the comment "rm political advocacy". It was restored with just her name below it and deleted again by the admin. In discussion it was judged that it was better to ask the user to delete the picture. It was stated that the 400 pixel image was too large to be on a user page. Another user has a 120 pixel image of John McCain, with his name under it, which someone said appeared a reasonable size. Lots of user have little pictures of political candidates in boxes that express their like or dislike for them or their opposition to vandalism. It was suggested to bring the discussion here. We are looking at another 22 months of the U.S. Presidential campaign, and if people are going to be edit warring about pictures or statements advocating candidates, it would be helpful to have clearly stated rules on this page. This is part of the larger issue of people having all those little boxes saying they are anti-Bush, prochoice, antiguncontrol, or whatever. How much such advocacy is allowed? [[User:Edison|Edison]] 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:It's polemic, it's divisive, and it's on user pages. Policing it will require a lot of time, generate ill will, and will likely be futile. Since it's limited to user pages, and since users are welcome to express their opinions on a wide variety of other issues, I suggest we have a hands-off policy. I say this knowing full well the image of (at least) one of these candidates makes me ill and there will be no avoiding accidentally exposing my poor eyes to his/her image should we adopt such a policy. However, in the interest of concentrating on building a quality encyclopedia, I suppose it's one of those things with which one must put up. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 21:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Repeated blanking of user talk page ==

I have noticed that a particular user repeatedly blanks their talk page of all information except for praise and thank yous. What are your thoughts on this practice? [[User:Sanchom|Sancho McCann]] 21:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== let's make a guideline on categories ==

As noted above, "Other users may edit pages in your user space, although by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others." As one of the editors on [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion]], I'd like to make that more clear in regards categories that place user pages into Wikipedian categories. I'm not sure what it should say, but perhaps something like, "If you use categories on your user page, the names of these categories may be edited or deleted without consultation if those categories are brought up on [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion]] first." Does that make sense?--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 21:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
:It makes sense to me. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] 21:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
::Yep, it seems obvious. [[User:Xiner|Xiner]] ([[User talk:Xiner|talk]], [[Special:Emailuser/Xiner|email]]) 21:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

::*I have to '''Oppose''' this idea on grounds what were partly discussed by Mike and myself on our respective talk pages. To add to that, consider that a person is, in effect, agreeing to have a label applied to them when they put a category on their user page. Certainly there are many of these labels which people would have very highly charged emotional attachments, and it's not up to someone else to decide how important that attachment is. (I'm sure most people would agree that if they joined in a category which, in their opinion, says "I'm a good guy" and later had it changed -without their knowledge- to "I'm a dirty, low-down scoundrel, cheat and liar", they'd be pretty disturbed)
::*For an example you might consider the labels of Christian vs Muslim, or Republican vs Democrat, and I'm sure most anyone can think of even more highly charged contrasts.
::*Where it comes to '''categories which are used on User pages''', I believe the responsibility must lie on the shoulders of the person who wants to make a change to first communicate with the users who are using that category to see if there are any problems with the change (or deletion) to the category. They might place a deadline on the time for response. Once the deadline has passed, the proposer of the change either proceeds with the change or modifies the change to concur with responses received. Note that giving an advance notice of the change also gives the User who has enrolled in that category the chance to remove it from their page, if they don't like the change. I don't believe it's enough to warn users that they use the category at their own risk ... a person might go away on vacation and come back to find all sorts of changes to their page, but the current practice of avoiding changes to a User's page even though it is community property should extend naturally to any kind of change which includes massive changes such as categories and templates.
::*To me it's either a matter of taking ''special precautions'' to making any changes on Categories (and I'd say templates too) which are intended for use on User's pages, or adopting a policy of not allowing elements which can be centrally changed which are intended for use on User's pages. I'm sure the wiki programming could be easily changed to not accept categories or templates on User pages ... if this were adopted, but it's not what I'd like to see.
::*I believe even now, with tools such as the Auto Wiki Browser, it's not a particularly difficult task to add a notice on the talk pages of all the users of a certain category. I realise that it is an extra hassle for the person who wants to make such a change, and it might be difficult to police such a policy, but I believe that it is important to encourage practices which respect the individuals' sovereignty as is generally displayed in the Wikietiquet that we now have.[[User:Jaxhere|'''J''''''A''''''X''''''HERE''']] | [[User_talk:Jaxhere|'''T''''''a''''''l''''''k''']] 16:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There's no need for any clarification. It's pretty straightforward the way it is under general userpage policy. Everybody labels themselves, with the exception of administrative edits. If a category name is changed, then the cat tags on the user's page will probably be changed via AWB or by bot. No big deal. Some notices have categories built-in, like the suspected sockpuppet notice. But for the most part, users have always been and currently are in control of the cats used on their user pages. There's no need for that to change. If a user goes way overboard and is proven to be misrepresenting himself (for instance as an expert when he really is not), then the issue can be taken to RfC. Wikipedia has plenty of policies already, and they cover the userpage category issue adequately, IMHO. '''''[[User:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist   ]]'''''17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==Featured user pages==
Hi, please comment [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#List_of_best_user_pages here]. Thanks: --[[User:Sadi Carnot|Sadi Carnot]] 19:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== fake MediaWiki UI ==

The discussion of the newly added paragraph is [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Practical jokes in "new message" boxes|here]]. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 13:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

:I love it, about time that was forbidden properly, it is a waste of my time following those silly things. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 17:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::To keep the discussion in one place, please comment [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Practical jokes in "new message" boxes|at the village pump]] rather than on this talk page. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 17:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::This needs to be removed until a consensus is found. I found it more than a little inappropriate that this was added with so little discussion. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] (<big>[[User talk:ChrisGriswold|☎]][[Special:Contributions/ChrisGriswold|☓]]</big>) 06:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::::After finishing the related discussions, I have decided to remove this until there is an actual consensus. Too much damage has done with too little forethought. --[[User:ChrisGriswold|Chris Griswold]] (<big>[[User talk:ChrisGriswold|☎]][[Special:Contributions/ChrisGriswold|☓]]</big>) 07:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

=== Straw poll ===

There is a [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Straw poll|straw poll]] to determine consensus at the villiage pump. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] [[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]] 08:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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==Crafting a guideline on "new message" joke banners==
Having read the views as expressed by folks on the various discussions and the straw poll above about this there appears to be a general consensus about certain aspects of the banner practical joke. They are:
* While not outright banning them, joke banners should be discouraged because they do tend to annoy people.
* Joke banners should never link to off wiki content.
* Joke banners should not link to "shock" type Wiki content.
This would give some authority to those who want to remove inappropriate (per the last two criteria) banners immediately as well as those inclined to request users to remove their joke banners (per the first criteria) but if joke banner users insist (and don't fall under the last two criteria) they could still keep them.
I don't see why we can't introduce these generally agreed upon aspects of the current practical joke "new message" discussion into this guideline right away. What might the views of others be on this? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 17:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:I see no need to ban "Joke banners", they should not even be mentioned. A rule forbidding a user from impersonating the user interface of Wikipedia is plenty. This is not about a joke, this is about spoofing the software so it looks like Wikipedia is telling you something when it is someone else being deceptive. People can make joke banners that don't impersonate the software. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Again, I'm just heading in a direction relative to the consensus I do see on this issue. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::: I agree with Joke banners should never link to off wiki content. But what classifies "shock" type Wiki content? [[User:Kingjeff|Kingjeff]] 18:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Generally things as described in the [[Shock site]] article (primarily pictures), stuff like what is found on [[MediaWiki:Bad image_list]]. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:The consensus I saw was the people opposed to the rule against UI spoofing were in favor of jokes being ok, and those in favor of the rule against UI spoofing were in favor of not allowing UI spoofing. I say, allow jokes, and not allow UI spoofing. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Thank you HighInBC, but I think it is rather clear there is no general consensus about the whole thing... ergo this proposal. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::I only see a lack of consensus if you vote count. Many of the opposes made no argument at all, others said things like "Can't you take a joke", consensus takes into account the value of the argument. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Indeed, a view that is no doubt based upon fairly evident anti- joke banner POV. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::There were better reason for opposing...the reason for supporting were as vague. [[User:Jumping cheese|Jumping cheese]] [[User talk:Jumping cheese|Cont]][[Special:Emailuser/Jumping_cheese|@ct]] 18:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:I have said all I have to say, other than "It is ridiculous to allow users to spoof elements of the softwares user interface, I cannot think of a single online area where that would be allowed, and reason should go above vote counting." [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Well since it appears you'll not be continuing in this discussion, as the intiator of this last guideline proposal I'll just thank you for your comments. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:While I strongly believe that deceptive UI spoofing should not be permitted (and that the onus is on advocates of such conduct to demonstrate consensus to the contrary), I support any and all steps in the right direction.
:I ask that everyone please address what's being proposed (instead of what ''isn't'' being proposed) and try to remain calm and civil. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 18:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::'''Agree''' both with the Netscott's proposal and to remaining civil. [[User:Jumping cheese|Jumping cheese]] [[User talk:Jumping cheese|Cont]][[Special:Emailuser/Jumping_cheese|@ct]] 18:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

How about:

* Spoofing the user interface should be discouraged because it tends to annoy people.
* Links to off-wiki content should not be disguised to look like they point to content on wiki.
* Links to content that might shock or offend an average person should not be intentionally disguised to appear innocuous (e.g. "picture of Bambi" should not link to [[BDSM]])

I don't think the issue is even about joke banners per se. It is about doing things that are intentionally misleading in a way that degrades the user experience. Also, I am all for forbidding spoofing the user interface, but I think we can at least agree on discouraging it even if we can't (yet) agree on forbidding it. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 18:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:Dragons flight, thanks for joining the discussion. I think we should keep this narrowed down to the joke "new message" boxes at this point. Other than that I agree with the other aspects of your list. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Part of the problem is that many editors are under the impression that users with "no sense of humor" seek to "squash jokes." I see no reason to target the rules/advice so narrowly, especially when this sends the wrong message. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 19:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::David, yes I see your point however I think we can both agree that the disruption caused by this push for change has stemmed mostly from folks' views on the joke banners. The fact that the original proposal specifically mentioned the joke banners is what I believe led to this. Let us first establish a clear guideline about that (since that's what's really caused this kerfufle) and then we'll "attack" the rest. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 19:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::Is there something about the above that you agree is appropriate for joke banners but not for other user page content? Writing policy/guidelines based on very specific cases is usually a bad idea. If the same reasoning can lead to agreement over a more general principle then the generalized case should be preferred. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 19:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Could you add some specific examples of other types of UI spoofing that you've found "annoying", honestly I can't think of anything off hand. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 19:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::I did come across some fake "You are editing a prior version of this page..." banners. These aren't particularly common, but I have seen many deliberately misleading links in other contexts. I see no reason not to discourage all of these (and prohibit the ones to outside sites and "shock" pages). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 19:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::The problem (as I perceive it) ''is'' that the joke banners were singled out. The original intent was to cite the most common example, but this led to the false impression that the humor police were specially targeting jokes (and ignoring essentially identical infractions, some of which are arguably worse). If we continue to single out the joke banners, I suspect that this perception will persist.
::::As an analogy, this is sort of like drafting a proposal to discourage user page content that mocks Americans. Even someone who favors the discouragement of mocking people based on nationality would wonder why one was singled out. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 19:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Ok, I better understand your logic. If unlike the previous proposal the wording does not specifically mention the joke "new message" banners then that seems sensible to me. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 19:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:My (only) problem with the "Links to off-wiki content should not be disguised to look like they point to content on wiki" is that it is loose enough to say we can't use the "plainlinks" class ([[User:EVula|internal link]] vs. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EVula external link]). I fully agree that joke banners shouldn't link off-wiki; that can go from mild and utterly harmless prank to destructive and malicious prank fairly easily... that said, would that be something along the lines of [[WP:BEANS|stuffing beans up your nose]]?

:I honestly think we're just best off with saying something along the lines of "spoofing the MediaWiki interface is generally frowned upon, and should be avoided". We haven't singled out any individual element (joke banner, etc.), and we're not making any "do as the cabal says"-type declarations. [[User:EVula|EVula]] // [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|☯]] // 19:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Maybe "plainlinks" should be discouraged for URLs that aren't under the guise of the Wikimedia foundation? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 19:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Interwiki links don't have the external box even when they're not WMF. And, let's not forget, the external link box is a monobook thing. --[[User:Random832|Random832]]([[User Talk:Random832|t]][[Special:Contributions/Random832|c]]) 20:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::"Links to non-Wikimedia sites via text intended to resemble links to Wikimedia content" should be strictly prohibited. In other words, "[http://www.nonwikimediawebsite.example/ Check out my blog!]" would be permitted, but "[http://www.nonwikimediawebsite.example/ Check out this Wikispecies page!]" would not be. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::This is still too beany and [[WP:CREEP|creepy]] for me. Let's just say that duplication of the UI is discouraged and leave it at that, ''without'' giving anyone any ideas. [[User:EVula|EVula]] // [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|☯]] // 20:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::: "Beany and creepy", I'll have to remember that one.. (big smile) ... I agree with EVula. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 20:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::The issue to which I'm referring (disguising links to potentially problematic websites as links to trusted Wikimedia content) has nothing to do with the UI. I don't disagree with the "beany" comment, so can we simply agree that this constitutes vandalism and address it accordingly? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::David, I think purposefully mislabeled links that are identified as Wiki links is a given... shall we get back to the UI discussion? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 20:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::If we're in agreement regarding the above, sure. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::Just out of curiosity David, do you have some specific example in mind? When I was saying that I thought it was a given that meant that it is logical to view such links as disruption... in [[WP:VAND|policy]] I'm not sure what [[WP:VAND#Types_of_vandalism|type of vandalism]] you'd call it though. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 20:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::::I would describe this as "link vandalism." No, I have no specific examples in mind, and I agree that it's best to avoid a creating a [[WP:BEANS]] situation by codifying something already covered by common sense. Please understand, however, that I feel the same way about the hoax banners (but have no intention of substituting ''my'' logic for that of the community). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 20:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::::Indeed, so those types of links are already covered. David you've been pushing for this a bit per what you are saying now would you kindly edit in what EVula has proposed? I think we can all agree that the community supports this. No? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 21:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::::::::::::1. To me, the insertion of phony "new messages" banners also constitutes "modifying internal or external links within a page so that they appear the same but link to a page/site that they are not intended to."
::::::::::::2. I'm not clear on what you're asking me to edit. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 21:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

David, it is a bit disappointing that you're in a sense "stepping backwards" here... obviously the community has expressed its lack of consensus on how to view this... now you want to call it "link vandalism". Even the policy specifies that it is about "modifying"... and it is also clear what the link vandalism "type" is referring to.
*'''Link vandalism:''' "'''Modifying''' internal or external links within a page so that they appear the same but link to a page/site that they are not intended to (e.g an explicit image; a shock site)."
I was inviting you to introduce into the guideline the language we're arriving at here (with EVula's last comment in particular in mind) per your agreeance about "beany", etc. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 21:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:1. I perceive this as the modification of a MediaWiki message, but that's irrelevant because...
:2. You misunderstood my point. I realize that my assessment of the hoax banners lacks consensus, and that's why I don't want to assume that the community shares my assessment of the fake Wikimedia links. If it does, I see no need to draft a special policy against them, but I don't want to jump to any conclusions. Taken literally, the "link vandalism" language applies to both or neither, so we can't rely on that to draw any sort of distinction.
:3. Given the fact that I was criticised for relying on text added to the guideline "hastily," I don't feel comfortable modifying the same page based on a discussion with far fewer participants than the one behind that change. Also, Yuser31415 twice added language that this behavior is "generally discouraged," and you reverted both times, so I'm confused as to how you want the advice to read. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 21:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::That's fine... we'll hold off on adding this latest version regarding Wikimedia UI (despite what I think we both percieve to be consensus for it). Yuser31415 was reverting in a version previously disputed (as I thought you were aware). Based upon the fact that this discussion here was still occurring I reverted citing it, hoping to arrive at a version that could be agreed upon instead of the version he appeared to be blindly reverting back in. After user talk page discussions with him I believe that he was not aware of this discussion (and when I pointed that out to him he never affirmed that he was). {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 21:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:::1. I'm not saying that the page shouldn't be modified. I'm saying that I shouldn’t be the one to do it.
:::2. I agree that Yuser31415 probably was unaware of this discussion, but he appeared to arrive at the same conclusion that led you to initiate it (that there is consensus to "discourage" this behavior). When/where was the text in question previously disputed, and how does it substantially differ from the text that you believe should be inserted? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 22:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' - all forms of user-page jokes that don't violate existing policy. No modification to policy is presently neccessary. Why? 1) [[WP:BEANS]], and 2) I like to know who I'm working with, and certain editors feel more comfortable prominently displaying some sort of "joke" banner rather than the self-referencing link: "I'm with stupid", at the top of their user/talk page. Joke banners help reduce wasted time and effort. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 22:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::Isn't a user's decision to follow advice against such behavior evidence that he/she is a reasonable person? —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 22:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Quite true, but it doesn't work if the advice is enforced by editors actively removing these things on their behalf. [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 00:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am about to add this then.. I'm going to start a new (==) section entitled "What is discouraged on my user page?" with a subheading of (===) "Simulated MediaWiki interfaces" and put this new version there. Given the community's consensus on that wording I think a new section like this makes sense and it will allow for further expansion as time goes by. Do you have an opinion on that? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 22:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

:That sounds fine to me. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 22:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

::I think that's a great idea! [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] 00:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

:::Thanks Rklawton, I agree this is a good addition. Cheers. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 00:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

::::I like it. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 00:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

:::::Kewl, I guess. =) [[User:Jumping cheese|Jumping cheese]] [[User talk:Jumping cheese|Cont]][[Special:Emailuser/Jumping_cheese|@ct]] 11:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

:Um, I added a wikilink that leads to a guideline being proposed that reinforces and sources the assertion that mimicry of MediaWiki elements are "frowned upon": [[Wikipedia:Avoid imitating MediaWiki user interface elements]]. Netscott then removed it and the edit summary referenced this [[WP:BEANS]] portion of the talk page discussion. Huh? I don't see anything in here that suggests that this page shouldn't link to the proposed guideline as a way of referencing that this is frowned upon. Care to better explain why my link was removed? [[User:Ju66l3r|ju66l3r]] 03:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
::Please see [[Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_imitating_MediaWiki_user_interface_elements#This_page_is_a_bit_redundant_now|this talk]]. Thanks. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 03:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Kin we include examples of useful design elements - both basic and advanced? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Rklawton|Rklawton]] ([[User talk:Rklawton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rklawton|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

The section header for "What is discouraged...?" was removed placing "simulated MediaWiki interfaces" in the "What is not allowed...?" section. I believe that it's important to recognize that there is still no consensus on disallowing these elements even if most can agree to discourage them. That distinction is important and why I re-added the section header. [[User:Ju66l3r|ju66l3r]] 04:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

:I am so sick of hearing about [[WP:BEANS]], it is an essay, not a guideline or policy, and for good reason. For every 5 times it is mentioned, it only really applies about 2 times. Users who will do this sort of thing will do it, or they won't. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 04:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::I tend to agree with Ju66l3r which is why I created the new section heading. [[User:Doc glasgow]] made a decent point over [[User_talk:Doc_glasgow#Discouraged_section|here]] though. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 04:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::[[User:Yuser31415]] copy-edited the language to move away from "frowned upon" from this new section and I have reverted. The phrase "frowned upon" is common on Wikipedia (it existed already on [[Wikipedia:User page]]) but is also found in [[WP:TPG]], [[WP:VAND]], [[WP:SP]], [[WP:CREEP]] and I'm sure others. Because this is true, staying with that language seemed more sensible to me. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 08:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

===What is a simulated Wikimedia interface? Is it like virtual reality?===

Okay, I know what an interface is from my experience with computers but those which aren't acquainted with the idea of an "interface", may not grasp the concept of one that is Wikimedia and simulated. It ''is'' (in this context) a computer term. This could be clarified by inclusion of an example feature of the Wikimedia interface. --[[User:Seans Potato Business|Seans]] '''[[User talk:Seans Potato Business|Potato Business]]''' 02:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:If you haven't already done so then I strongly encourage you to read fully the above thread. Part of the problem with explaining what simulating WikiMedia is about is that it [[WP:BEANS|teaches users how to do that]]. As well, Wikipedia [[WP:CREEP|instruction creep]] is frowned upon also. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah I have read it completely. If you used that BEANS theory enough, you could suggest removing all the advice of not what to do. You could even apply beans to beans. Don't tell editors not to suggest to people not to do things, or they'll go out and suggest to people not to do things. Besides, I think beans and creep are sly ways to be allowed these "jokes" without addressing the issue of annoying and confusion of new editors. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Seans Potato Business|Seans Potato Business]] ([[User talk:Seans Potato Business|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Seans Potato Business|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.

::If one breaks that rule, then they know what an interface is. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 02:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::I agree that while [[WP:BEANS]] has it's place, this is not one of them. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 02:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

:May I suggest the text: "The Wikipedia community generally frowns upon simulating the [[MediaWiki]] interface (any part of the interface that is not normally produced by [[wikitext]]), and it should be avoided." Or something like that? [[User:Gracenotes|Gracenotes]][[User talk:Gracenotes|T]] § 06:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah but the word interface still isn't explained. Maybe a link to the relevant article: "The Wikipedia community generally frowns upon simulating the [[MediaWiki]] [[user interface|interface]] (any part of the interface that is not normally produced by [[wikitext]]), and it should be avoided." but that article might confuse them further. --[[User:Seans Potato Business|Seans]] '''[[User talk:Seans Potato Business|Potato Business]]''' 11:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

===Let's ask Jimbo===

He'll know what to do... --[[User:Seans Potato Business|Seans]] '''[[User talk:Seans Potato Business|Potato Business]]''' 02:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:Jimbo's already been asked and has yet to pronounce a solid view on this... besides per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=62743946 Jimbo himself] [[Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem|argumentum ad Jimbonem]] makes for a pretty week argument. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

:About what? [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 02:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

==Advertising==
Are there any guidelines on using a userpage just for advertising? [[User:Provocativedj]] seems to be doing just this, and hasn't made any encyclopedic contributions. I couldn't find any policies or guidelines about this. [[User:Belovedfreak|Belovedfreak]] 20:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Blatant advertising is a criteria for speedy deletion regardles of namespace ([[WP:CSD#G11]]). As such I deleted the page in question. See also [[WP:NOT]] and this very guideline. Wikipedia is not for self promotion, not even on userpages. --[[User:Sherool|Sherool]] [[User talk:Sherool|(talk)]] 22:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks. [[User:Belovedfreak|Belovedfreak]] 18:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

==Etiquette concerning user subpages==
It says in the article that user subpages can contain "A work in progress, until it is ready to be released". I am wondering if work-in-progress articles in user subpages are subject to the policy "If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it". For example, if someone's working on an article on a subpage in their userspace and I feel that it's ''already'' good enough to "go public", would it be innapproriate for me to create a new article with that material? On the one hand, there's the argument that I'm intruding into their personal space and disrupting the creative process. On the other hand, one could argue that ''they'' are withholding information that could be usefull to someone and preventing it from being edited. Also, isn't wikipedia a public place, which means that by making any edits you're allowing those edits to be appropriated by others?

Anyway, just wondering what people think. [[User:Esn|Esn]] 03:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

:You're correct that the author of the article does not [[WP:OWN|own]] it; he/she can't prevent you from creating an article with the content if you want to, but simply just doing so almost certainly isn't the best action.

:If you see something that looks like it should be in mainspace, you should put a note on the editor's user talk page saying so, and asking why it's not yet published, since it looks good. (I did that fairly recently, with exactly such a case; the editor said he was working on a few more things, and posted it as an article within a week.) If you get no response, then post another note saying that you plan to copy the page into mainspace in (say) five days if you don't hear an objection. If the editor responds, you'll have to decide what you want to do based on that response.

:It's also a nice touch, if you do create the article, to post a brief note on the article talk page giving credit to the original author. (That may also be helpful if there is a copyright violation issue.)

:Finally (and you didn't ask, I realize), if you ''can'' contribute to an article in the making on a user subpage, and want to do so, feel free to jump in, '''if''' you are sure that what you're doing will be taken as constructive. By "constructive", I mean such things as doing copyediting where you're sure you're improving the article, or adding a reliable source and some information to the article. By contrast, ''removing'' text (for example, wording you think is not NPOV) or (even worse) ''tagging'' sentences or sections as being questionable or missing sources - things quite acceptable in mainspace - are ''not'' constructive, won't be appreciated, and shouldn't be done. -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 17:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

==Link==
Instructions on how to reach an anonymous user's page would be helpful. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/66.176.85.30|66.176.85.30]] ([[User talk:66.176.85.30|talk]]) 01:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

:User page or user talk page? Normally anons don't have user pages, and if they do, why would another editor need to get to it? -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 02:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

::User Talk page. I find no way to get the the talk page for my IP without editing. 02:56, 2 March 2007 {{unsigned|66.176.85.30}}

:::Well, you can always type
User talk:66.176.85.30
into the search box and click "Go". Or you could look at [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?]]. -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 03:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, that brings up an interesting point... are Anonymous (IP) users specifically allowed or disallowed from having user pages (note: not Talk pages...I create enough of them for vandalism warnings)... or is it simply not possible to create one in the Wiki software... I'm more curious than anything. (reading [[WP:WHY]] seems to indicate that anon. users couldn't create their own user page because they are not allowed to create new articles..but could a signed-in user create an anonymous user page?) [[User:Dzubint|'''Thomas Dzubin''']] [[User talk:Dzubint|'''Talk''']] 15:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Attribution]]? (Essjay controversy).==
Now that the [[User:Essjay]] controversy is in full swing... does the community wish to advance any rules concerning deliberate misinformation on the user page? Grounds for banning? Desysopping? Higher priveleges like checkuser? Or Not a big deal?

And if one discovers that another's user page contains misinformation, how to deal with it (and not violate [[WP:ATTACK]]?)

I suspect many Wikipedia user pages contain misinformation or outright whoppers. In some cases, to avoid stalkers or protect one's real identity; in some cases, to have more clout in an edit dispute, in some cases for fun.

An obvious recommendation going forward: If you wish to conceal your identity, simply leave no identifying information at all.

Thoughts? --[[User:EngineerScotty|EngineerScotty]] 20:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

:How about this for a rule: If you get caught lying on your userpage, it is strongly suggested that you remove the lie. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] 03:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

::I'd say that [[Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep]] and [[m:Instruction creep]] are the most relevant policies. Editors don't concede much to those with credentials even when credentials ''can'' be verified - see [[Wikipedia:Expert retention]]. -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 03:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:I suggest reading what I wrote at [[User:Uncle G/On having a user page]] almost two years ago. Ironically, at the time, some editors misguidedly thought quite the opposite of your suggestion, and applied pressure for editors who desired extra privileges not only to have user pages but to have autobiographies on their user pages. That is one of the several reasons that the current situation has come about. Any discussion now should take into account the fact that historically there has been pressure from Wikipedia editors to do exactly the opposite of what you would like to see done now. In particular, it should take into account the fact that editors who wanted to not publish their personal data may have been pressured into publishing false data by severely misguided editors who have expressed opinions stating that they will oppose the granting of any privileges unless personal data are supplied. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 04:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:Why should user pages be exempt from [[Wikipedia:Attribution]]? Especially [[:Category:Wikipedians by degree]] (users can edit their university webpage to say "I edit the English Wikipedia under the name [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Example User:Example]." if they ''want'' to include that information on their WP user page)? -- [[User:Jeandré|Jeandré]], 2007-03-05[[User talk:Jeandré|t]]10:21z

::I see no need for a rule against misinformation. People were foolish to take Essjays credentials as an argument, they should have made him find a reliable source. Personal is personal, if I want to be a pirate with my own island, fine, that should not effect my editing. Just so you know, I am a king in a castle with hundreds of servants, but don't let that effect the strength of my argument. [[User:HowIBecameCivil|HowIBecameCivil]] 14:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

See also [[User:Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification]]. -- [[User:Jeandré|Jeandré]], 2007-03-12[[User talk:Jeandré|t]]15:19z

== New rule just added ==

I wanted to revert the new rule[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:User_page&diff=112942571&oldid=110926922] that was just added, because I see no discussion about it at all, and it is certainly a very big new rule. The page is semi-protected, and my account is new, so I cannot remove it. Can we discuss this before adding the new rule? [[User:HowIBecameCivil|HowIBecameCivil]] 00:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:It didn't cross my mind that it would be controversial, particularly in light of recent events. How can the project benefit from allowing users to claim false credentials on their user pages?[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 00:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

::Personally, I like it. Perhaps HIBC is unaware of recent events, given he is a new account? [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 00:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that one's personal details are not relevant, true or not, to building an encyclopedia. Perhaps we can wait for more opinions on this matter. [[User:HowIBecameCivil|HowIBecameCivil]] 00:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It was more my attempt to start a discussion than to object to the rule. I have no real opinion on it. [[User:HowIBecameCivil|HowIBecameCivil]] 00:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

* That's what this page is for. One thing to keep in mind, though: Policy pages are generally held to '''document''' policy on Wikipedia, not '''define''' it. Given that the community has effectively just ousted one of its (previously) senior members for posting and using falsified credentials, I would say that the Wikipedia community considers the posting of falsified credentials on one's user page to be a big no-no. As such, it's appropriate to document that community policy in the appropriate place. --[[User:EngineerScotty|EngineerScotty]] 01:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:*I don't specifically see the community as having a problem with false credentials being displayed on a user's page... what is more evident is the ''utilization'' of such false credentials to gain advantages. I suppose one having false credentials on one's user page automatically inclines other editors to believe them when they visit said page so in a sense just displaying such falsities is in effect ''utilizing'' them. Perhaps such displays should merely fall under the discouraged section until a clearer community view about this question is established? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::I ask again: what benefit is it to the encyclopedia/the project if editors display fake credentials? The only one I can think of is fake credibility, and we see how that's turning out. If there's no benefit, and a known downside, why allow it?[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 04:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

=== My attempt at new rules in light of [[User:Essjay|Essjay]] scandal ===

I'm probably being more verbose than necessary, but I can't help it. The tolerance of what [[User:Essjay|Essjay]] did by
many makes me think of the manufacturers warnings where they say, "Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower." In other words,
spell things out as much as possible.[[User:CowardX10|CowardX10]] 01:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''New Policy on User Pages''':

In consideration of the 2007 scandal regarding the false credentials presented by the user [[User:Essjay|Essjay]], new guidelines will now be enforced regarding the nature of the information a user/editor/administrator and all higher positions(all of which will be referred to as users below) may put on his or her user page or claim in any discussion.

I. In consideration of the need to protect one's privacy, a user/admin can have false information limited to the following:

*1) His/her name
*2) His/her address or general location
*3) His/her age within 5 years

II. The following are things for which it is unacceptable to falsely claim:

*1) Holding any educational degrees such as [[Bachelor of Arts|BA]], [[Bachelor of Science|BSc]], [[Master of Arts (postgraduate)|MA]], [[Master of Science|MS or MSc]], [[Doctor of Philosophy|Ph.D.]], etc., [[Juris Doctor|J.D.]], etc.
*2) Holding any professional licenses such as [[Professional Engineer|PE]], [[Microsoft Certified Professional|MSCE]], etc.
*3) Claiming any years of experience in a profession or hobby
*4) Claiming any special access to knowledge or material such as an engineering library or government archive
*5) Claiming years of experience with anything in a discussion where said experience would influence a decision (e.g. Saying you have owned a cat for 5 years when engaged in a discussion about cats.)

Other things may fall out of the scope of these rules(e.g. Claiming owning a cat may be acceptable if you never edit articles about cats), so there will be some discretion on the part of the user. It is asked though, that he/she emphasizes accuracy as much as possible.

If a user should violate the above, the account will be immediately treated as if he/she were a vandal who puts false information into articles. Depending on the degree of abuse of false credentials, corrective measures may be a simple request to that the user modify his/her page such that it removes anything under category II. or permanent blockage in severe cases like the persistent claiming of category II. information.

These new policies were put in place because the use false credentials was not specified before leading many to think that it was acceptable to claim them even in article discussions. These rules are a statement that false credentials are never acceptable.

Accuracy in Wikipedia can no longer be limited simply to what is put in the article but now has to extend, to a larger degree than before, to the identities of the members of the community. Note that these guidelines are not a choice between anonymity and full disclosure, but simply an insistence that no false claims are made other than what is listed in I.. This is also consistent with the rules the news media uses in protecting the identity of sources while not putting forth any knowingly false information.
:While I agree people should not fake their credentials, this is unverifiable, and at worst creates a witch hunt (where people can begin requesting credentials and call those who want to keep anonymous in the web "vandals"). As you can see with the "scandal", the community alone judges when these facts are found. Also, remember [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]]. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 01:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

::We use attribution to verify article content, not credentials of the editors. While I have yet to form an opinion on your proposal, I don't see how this is an accuracy issue. [[User:HowIBecameCivil|HowIBecameCivil]] 02:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree with the problem of how would one verify a credential without revealing your identity. I would say these rules are about what will happen after it is discovered that you used false credentials, but [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good faith]] should be assumed until that point. I just want to prevent someone claiming in the future, "I never read the history of the '''Essjay scandal'''. No one ever told me making up credentials was wrong."[[User:CowardX10|CowardX10]] 02:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Use common sense|Use common sense]]. Note that claiming to have titles you don't have is not wrong, as it is considered you are using them to cover your real identity due privacy concerns. What is very wrong, and ultimately worked against Essjay, is to use them in order to push a certain point of view. I can claim to be a lion trainer, a security guard or a professional dancer. However, if I use them to "correct" articles, that is wrong. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 04:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

::What's the point of posting misinformation of any sort?[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 02:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::[[User:Essjay|Essjay]] said false information put stalkers off track. I am not sure how effective this would be, but I don't see too much harm with this in terms of Wikipedia if it's limited to names and locations(and of course, you can't pretend to be a real person.). The news media does that although they admit they are using fake names.[[User:CowardX10|CowardX10]] 02:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, apparently Jimbo is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=112966529 thinking] about this just as now. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 02:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

::I've reverted this change pending further discussion; I suspect that it opens a much bigger can of worms than you're anticipating. Explicitly writing '''false'' claims' hinges on there being some mechanism for deciding whether a given claim is true or false, which is under discussion at the moment but it far from being implemented in any meaningful fashion. Although this is [[WP:USER]] and thus specific to userpages, the spirit of the addition opens an avenue for expansion to claims made elsewhere, which are much more fluid and difficult to parse (eg, suppose someone makes no userpage claims but mentions several times in passing that he did his dissertation on subject X? Or 'when I was studying for the MCSE exam, I did Y.' etc.) Even the specific claims that qualify as 'professional credentials' are ambiguous; can I claim that I'm a certified diver, or ham radio operator, or licensed pilot, even if none of these activites are professional? In some editing environments (articles on local places, for example), claims of current location or origin are essentially assertions of credentials. This may eventually be a viable addition to the userpage policy (though I doubt it), but it deserves more discussion before being unceremoniously stuck in there; it reads as reactionary. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 04:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::Although <s>ReyBrujo</s> CowardX10 has outlined one proposal for some answers to these questions, it seems obviously fatally flawed. How in the ''world'' is anyone going to verify whether or not I have violated policy by misstating my age by a forbidden ''six'' years? The extension of this proposal to claims in editorial discussions is plain nonsense, however reasonable it may seem on superficial evaluation of the Essjay problem; encouraging people ''not'' to provide relevant information about their experience, perspective, or possible bias with regard to a topic is really a non-starter, and just provides another in the arsenal of behavior rules that users can accuse each other of nebulously not following. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 04:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I see no problem with saying a userpage shouldn't contain false credentials, even without trying to verify credentials. Maybe that makes it toothless, but I find it basically self-evident that it is bad for an intellectually oriented project to have contributors who misconstrue their intellectual experience, and we should discourage that even if we can't enforce it. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 04:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I completely agree that with your second sentence, but I don't think we should be putting toothless statements in policy documents without discussion, especially while there's a proposal on the table that may provide at least baby teeth. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 04:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Ordinarily I would not resort to [[WP:JIMBOSAID|"Jimbo said"]] logic but if we look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&oldid=112772817 his comments] as a fellow editor then it is clear that there are a number of editors who support the "discouragement" direction at this point. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 04:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think the simplicity of the statement makes it just right. I'd probably take out the part about 'see EssJay Scandal'[[User:MikeURL|MikeURL]] 18:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:''Even the specific claims that qualify as 'professional credentials' are ambiguous; can I claim that I'm a certified diver, or ham radio operator, or licensed pilot, even if none of these activates are professional? In some editing environments (articles on local places, for example), claims of current location or origin are essentially assertions of credentials. This may eventually be a viable addition to the userpage policy (though I doubt it), but it deserves more discussion before being unceremoniously stuck in there; it reads as reactionary.''

I would say this falls under not falsely '''Claiming any years of experience in a profession or hobby'''(with respect to being a diver or radio operator) and '''Claiming years of experience with anything in a discussion where said experience would influence a decision''' would apply to claims of current location or origin in a content dispute.

:''I can claim to be a lion trainer, a security guard or a professional dancer. However, if I use them to "correct" articles, that is wrong.''

The advantage in hiding your identity by falsely claiming the above is, IMHO, outweighed by the damage of having lots of people here making false claims of their credentials. If we accept that anyone can falsely claim to be a doctor, physicist, or [[Nobel Prize]] winner as long as he refrains from making related edits, then I have no doubt the real physicist, doctors, and [[Nobel Prize]] winners(I think there are a few) will leave and and the project will suffer greatly. I don't know where the idea that '''credentials don't matter''' came from. I know on Wikipedia they aren't the sole and ultimate consideration in a dispute, but to act like they mean nothing to the point that anyone can claim anything leads to the type of scandal we are going through.

:''I don't think we should be putting toothless statements in policy documents without discussion''
:''Use common sense.''

I thought before this it was common sense that lying to a reporter would be wrong and lying about your credentials in a content dispute was wrong. Unfortunately, there were quite a few absolute defenders of Essjay who apparently are adims(including [[User:David_Gerard|David Gerard]] who seems to be a Wikipedia press liaison) that I think things have to be stated explicitly, like so many other things in life(See '''Don't use blow dryer while taking a shower.''' above). In terms of toothlessness, I would say it's quite easy to pick an obscure topic and add fake information based on completely made-up but plausible sounding references and no one would catch you. But it's still worth saying that this is wrong, it's considered vandalism, and anyone doing this may be banned.[[User:CowardX10|CowardX10]] 06:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

::You might have skimmed the addendum to my previous post, which referred to your list by the wrong username, and in which I partially discussed this; it's corrected above. Something being patently obvious (which, I agree, it ought to be) is not a justification for creating unenforceable policy; 'discourage' is probably the strongest word that's sensible to use here. (See also [[WP:AGF]], which is also unenforceable and ought to be a guideline if it isn't at the moment.) Your last paragraph is apparently unrelated to the proposed policy change; making up references or adding things to articles based only on 'I think it's true' is already disallowed several times over. Considered independently of the recent edits to this page, your list is motivated by a reasonable goal, but is really pure instruction creep.
::Also, as far as I know David Gerard is a press contact for Wikimedia in the UK, which is not quite the same as a contact for 'Wikipedia'. I'm not sure there is one of those. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 07:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Let's keep it simple: Don't make up fake credentials (and don't lie to the press/the public, though since this is only about userpages, we should stick to that aspect of it.) If you do, and it's discovered, you'll lose administrative responsibilities and be banned. Even so, this is only the userpage ''guideline,'' so we'd only be telling people not to do it, without any particular threat. If we can't even agree on that, then we fully deserve whatever terrible reputation we earn, and this project is truly doomed.[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 07:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Not disputing 'don't make up fake credentials'. I ''am'' disputing the suggestion that this should be part of the official wording before Jimbo's proposal is sorted through, and I'm not convinced it ever will be useful, since - in the absence of a working verification mechanism - it only encourages self-appointed internet detectives to do the discovering. I have no objection to the 'discourage' wording at present, though it really should be one of those things you don't have to bother saying. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 08:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Most policy is just jawboning anyhow; that's a problem we can't solve here. Example, policy says use verifiable material, but when's the last time you've seen anyone blocked for it? Hell, when's the last time you saw someone blocked for ''anything'' in this guideline? If someone was going to do it, but reads this and thinks the better of it, then it works. If someone looks to this page to find precedents for some other decision, then it works. If it's not enough (and I agree it isn't,) the solution is to add related provisions elsewhere. Think incrementally. Arguing over every incremental step as inherently insufficient is counterproductive, as is entertaining radical changes. What is needed is a common-sense statement of the problem - '''''don't make stuff up''''' - and to tighten all the relevant bolts.[[User:Proabivouac|Proabivouac]] 08:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I tried to respond to both Opabinia regalis and ReyBrujo before which was probably confusing. I agree that rule bloat is a hateful thing, but I just don't see any other choice. I admit much of my motivation is in reaction to the fact that Essjay had so many defenders who are more offended that there are people angry over this. They even have tried to remove all the documentation that recorded these events. This says to me that the immorality of what was done is in no way universally obvious. [[User:CowardX10|CowardX10]] 10:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

=== How about going the other way? ===

That is, let users have whatever bullshit, misleading information and false credentials they will on their userpages, since it's not verifiable anyway? On the other hand, we have [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:Attribution]] with regard to articles for a reason. I believe the reason is that all knowledge gathered here, unless it's common knowledge, should be properly referenced by [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable '''secondary''' sources]]. That is, you credentials, whatever they are, '''are meaningless''' in the context of being a '''primary''' source. They can and should, however, help you with providing secondary sources. Thank you for your attention and sorry for the repetition of the word "source". —[[User:Misza13|Миша]][[User talk:Misza13|'''13''']] 17:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well said. You should never let somebodies claims on their userpage sway you in a content dispute. Attribution to a reliable source, experts will know where to find them. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] (Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 04:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::We live in the real world here, as nice as it is to imagine that people wouldn't let themselves be swayed by that an editor claims (and likewise that editors would stop claiming false information because they would no longer believe it would make any difference) the facts of the matter is that it ''will'' make a difference to some degree or another when people make false claims and it will always be like that. You can hope for a heaven where everything is perfect and everybody behaves like saints or you can find ways to deal with the devils that really exist down here in the real world. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 04:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Autograph_pages]]==
Per the above linked conversation, I would like to propose that Autograph books, signature books and likewise be added to the things discouraged on the userspace. Discussion/consensus about this possible change would be helpful. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 00:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I agree; I think signature books are nonsense on Wikipedia. My own subpages are only to do with my [[User:Acalamari/Barnstars|awards]] and [[User:Acalamari/Self-created userboxes|self-created userboxes]] (sorry about the Wikilinks, I'm just being honest here); which are both allowed on Wikipedia. I have nothing to do with signatures. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 01:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:(database lock) I also agree; these signature books are getting out of hand. There appear to be networks of users forming with the sole purpose of searching out more members with autograph books and signing them, then requesting that the user whose page they just signed sign their page (hope that's not too confusing). And to think this is time they might otherwise have wasted creating an encyclopedia...

:PS: The database seems to be getting "locked for maintenance" a lot lately. — [[User:Voyagerfan5761|Tuvok]][[[User talk:Voyagerfan5761|T]][[Special:Emailuser/Voyagerfan5761|@]][[User talk:Voyagerfan5761|lk]]/[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Voyagerfan5761|Improve me]]] 01:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

:I agree. Signature pages don't contribute in any way to the writing, maintenance, or editing of articles. As such, they do not belong in this ''encyclopedia''. [[User:Alphachimp|'''alphachimp''']] 01:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::Wait are we talking autograph pages or signature pages here? Where's the harm in allowing folks to collect signatures themselves to make a collection? [[User_talk:Netscott/Sig_collection|I did this myself some time ago]]. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I didn't realize there was a difference until I saw your page. What is gained through signature pages? [[User:Alphachimp|'''alphachimp''']] 01:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Well for a serious editor like myself it's just a bit of humanity to cache away much like sub user page image galleries. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Couldn't looking through your archives of the sigs or simply admiring them accomplish the same thing? — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 01:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::I see, what's the point of keeping [[User:Moe_Epsilon/Users|a list of users you "hold in high regard"]] while we're at it? Couldn't the time you spent on formulating that list have been better spent on improving the encyclopedia? Also couldn't you just review your archives and see their names and think to yourself the same thing? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 01:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I see where you're going with this, but they aren't signatures, they are plain links with just black text for formatting and so are the archives soon. Keeping a list of users I "hold in high regards" reminds me of people I am coming in contact with ''for this encyclopedia'', people I edit with ''on this encyclopedia'' and more improtantly, those are people who ''contribute to this encyclopedia''. I'm not saying you don't, but the signature thing for the sake of looking at the signature is a waste. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 01:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::No more of a waste than your own personal list. Let's just say that I hold these folks in "high artistic regards" for having created interesting signatures. Can you explain to me the difference between that and what you are doing? Kindly forgive my bluntness but all I am seeing is hypocritical logic here. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Whether or not you describe it as high artistic regards [for their sig] or an autograph book, it's still something to emphasize an unimportant part of the ''encyclopedia''. At least my list provides links to users whom I work with on this site rather than an eye-candy signature. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 02:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok correct me if I am wrong but an autograph book is where a user actively requests people to "sign my book!", no? Does that seem like an appropriate description for how my page is [[Special:Whatlinkshere/User_talk:Netscott/Sig_collection|being used]]? I'm seeing apples and oranges here. You and I have apples others seeking autographs on their subpages have oranges. No? Still I don't see how all of the time you spent on formatting your list and adding names to it has outweighed the usage of that equivalent time in directly improving the project. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Is my 32,000+ edits to this site not enough for your pleasing, or should I contribute more? — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 02:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::My contributory sentiments likewise, this idea is barking up two trees when it should only be barking up one. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Contributions have everything to do with this site. Unlike us, experienced users, ''new'' users are coming to this site spamming talk pages like MySpace or something. This proposal would discourage this nonsense and actually make them pay attention to the encyclopedia aspect of this site, not the community part alone. This shouldn't be an [[ad hominem]] against me about how much I have contributed to this site. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 02:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not. I'm just pointing out the fallacies in your argument particularly as my sig collection gallery is being belittled. Again, wording to discourage active seeking of autographs -oranges- (particularly with associated talk page spam) is sensible, outright banning of sig galleries -apples- from sub pages is not. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I never called for them to be outright banned. I wanted to add them to the "things that should be discouraged", which as it stands, they '''are''' discouraged by admins and other editors as I have seen multiple warnings about using Wikipedia like MySpace. While they don't give anything back to the community, they are essentially harmless, but this shouldn't be the goal of a few editors to see how many sigs they can get. This is what I'm trying to discourage. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 02:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::That sounds heavy handed and [[WP:CREEP|creepy]] if you're talking about discouraging both of them. I've spent something like %0.0001 percent of the time I've spent contributing on Wikiepda making a small sig gallery in appreciation (read "high regard") of the work others have spent in formulating their interesting signatures. By all means discourage actively seeking signatures in an "autograph" sub page but refrain from outright discouraging of collecting sigs to make a Wiki gallery (this in particular if the gallery to encyclopedic contribution ratio is low). {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::While you have spent 0.0001% of your time doing that, others have been spending their time on it about 99.9999% of doing it. I'm not worried about you or your sub-page, I'm worried about editors who are new to this site who are using for what they aren't supposed to be doing. If you don't accept this, then I give up in trying to make you understand. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 02:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I've got not problem with what you're proposing here so long as the wording is something along the lines of discouraging "guestbooks" or somesuch. Even "autograph" books, because let's face it an autograph means other individuals are actively partipating in adding to the book. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 02:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::And that's exactly the reason I wasn't targeting pages like yours or mine. I'll write it up and see if people can give some helpful suggestions to make it better. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 03:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with us opposing autographs because of the sense of community it builds and also "is this ''harmful'' in any way?" (consider the benefit to harm ration, it is completely fine) Additionally little minor things like this I feel is a good way for newbies to cut their teeth on editing before stepping out into the more scary world of editing a real article where people might pounce on them for making one wrong move. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 04:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:But it's when those newbies spend all their time dedicated to the autograph books that is harmful to Wikipedia or the lack thereof in activity to improve Wikipedia. Like I said, they are essentially harmless, but we have to draw the line to when they start to spam editors, make a pest of themselves and use Wikipedia for nothing more than MySpace. This wouldn't ''ban'' the autograph sub-pages, but it will restrict them to be the main focus over writing the encyclopedia. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 04:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::I feel like I've addressed your concern here (which I too feel), that it is the massive spamming of them which is wrong (I got one of those spammy messages on my talk page when I logged in today... ). As for my reference to newbies, that was merely an additional point. Of which I've noticed from reading comments and talk pages today that I get the general feeling this could be why and that I've noticed a few of them are "graduating" now to "proper" edits of the encyclopedia. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 04:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

===New section written===
Ok, I have written the new section in regards to the autograph books. Comments please, theres always room to improve. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 03:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:I've made the new section more compact, and put across the point that they are not inherently wrong but it is their extensive promotion which is wrong. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 04:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::And I've re-worded it a little, we must not forget the part that it literally distracted editors. I think this wording is fine, if you agree. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 04:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... I feel like your most recent changes after mine are largely repeating the ''see also'' link just above it? Am a support of the "less is better" idead, or [[K.I.S.S.]] I'll read it over again, either which way we are pretty close here. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 05:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm trying to KISS it, but it doesn't seem to work :) Either way, I think the point is across and two or three words shouldn't be much of a dispute. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 05:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yup, I wouldn't call this so much a ''dispute'' as two editors striving to find a way to do what is done well even better? [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 09:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

=== Removal of section ===

I've removed the new guestbook section. My primary concern is a bit of logical circularity. This section was created almost simultaneously with an [[Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Autograph_books|MFD for the autograph books]], but people at that MFD are citing this as "established" policy justifying their deletion. I feel that the MFD should be allowed to discuss and decide the issue before adding this policy. I also note that AN thread which started this conversation lacks unaminity on whether signature pages are inherently inappropriate (the primary issue at AN was spamming, which certainly is inappropriate).

Essentially, I feel this text was added prematurely while the discussion was still ongoing (in this case through MFD). Should MFD find in favor of deletion, a plausible outcome given current totals, then I have no objection to including this text.

In the interest of openness I voted "weak keep" in the MFD before realizing this text had been added here, so arguably I am not neutral, but I feel I am still justified in thinking that creating this in the midst of an MFD is premature. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:After giving this proposal more consideration I agree with [[User:Dragons flight]]'s removal of this new section. We're a collaborative project and guestbooks/autograph books help foster goodwill amongst editors and thereby enhance the collaborative environment. The real concern should be those users spending inordinate amounts of time on their books and those that are spamming other editors about them. {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 14:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

:I had no idea about the MFD and I wasn't informed of it until right now. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 20:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== FAQ ==

After remembering how [[WP:ATT]] has a [[Wikipedia:Attribution/FAQ|FAQ]] it made me think that it would benefit many other pages to have a similar FAQ, because it would streamline the main page. A lot of the details and current incidents relevant that arise (such as the curent autography 'problem') could be addressed on the FAQ which would make the main page much more simple and accessable to everybody. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 05:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:While I agree that, in general, any policy and guideline could benefit from this, the autograph book problem and other similar situations are ''not'' the "F" in FAQ (meaning these things only occur so often and trolling, since it would be linked from the Main Page, would not be benefical to this page.) Although a similar FAQ hitting the basics should be helpful. — [[User talk:Moe Epsilon|Moe]] 05:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::I get your point about the F meaning "frequently", I think I was almost kind of imagining the opposite. Those that are more rare and less frequent should be mentioned somewhere to the side, such as the current autography 'problem'. Why keep it in the main article if in another month we are not even going to care about it? (rare exceptions aside) [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] [[User talk:Mathmo|Talk]] 08:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::It is a shame that questions get asked and answered on talk pages that are valuable in the future, and then the page gets archived and the discussion is considerably more difficult to find. Plus discussions are often long and convoluted before something approaching consensus - or agreement that there is no consensus - is reached. A page with pithy information, including links to archived discussion sections for those interested in seeing the original, would be valuable. Call it a ''Question & Answer'' page, or ''Important Talk Page Points'', or ''Lessons Learned'', or whatever, it would be very useful - a sort of mega- [[Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages|refactoring]]. -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 01:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== User pages containing text written in a language other than English ==
I propose discouraging text written in a language other than English. Reason being: If I don't speak the language, it is difficult to determine whether the text constitutes spam, personal attacks, or other disallowed content.

Unfortunately this would ban Latin quotations, which is undesirable.

How about a compromise which would allow quotations? "Non-English text on user pages and user talk pages should generally be avoided - and if a quotation not written in English is kept, it should be cited, so that we can see whether it comes from a spammy source, even if not everyone can verify what exactly it means."--[[User:Greenrd|greenrd]] 17:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Unless there is an ongoing and persistent problem with this, I don't see the need for a rule. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::Me neither. The occasional appearance of foreign languages on a user page isn't problematic. Is there a specific case that appears to need attention Greenrd? {{User:Netscott/s1.js}} 18:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, so far, nobody at the German Wikipedia has objected to [[:de:Benutzer:ElinorD|this]] :) [[User:ElinorD|ElinorD]] [[User talk:ElinorD|(talk)]] 18:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, there is a specific case: I think this could be spam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangguite --[[User:Greenrd|greenrd]] 18:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::That does look like spam, same as name and links to a commercial site. I am going to delete it per [[WP:CSD#G11]]. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

== Subpage for an IP number user page ==

Is there anything illegal about anonymous users who create a subpage under their User page (named for their IP number) to store text for an article they are working on? --[[User:InfoCan|InfoCan]] 05:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:I thought IPs didn't have the facility for creating new pages? [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 06:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::Anonymous can create pages outside the main namespace. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Anyone can have a sandbox as far as I know. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 15:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with them, however you should keep an eye there, as they may use them in games or POV pushing. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 17:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== DBS_wiki ==

here you go - last used version. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Serezka|Serezka]] ([[User talk:Serezka|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serezka|contribs]]) 16:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

:Umm, what is that? [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 16:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Using discussion IP address talk page as personal talk page ==

{{IPvandal|209.177.21.6}} has been blanking warnings and installing userboxes on the talk page of an IP address - generally treating it as if it were their user page. Is this allowable? [[User:Nposs|Nposs]] 23:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution for user page content ==

Is there a specific process for this? There's been a brouhaha for awhile now over the desire of some users to display this;

<div style="float: left; border:solid black 1px; margin: 1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 238px; background: magneta;"
| style="width: 45px; height: 43px; background: yellow; text-align: center; font-size: 14pt; color: {{{id-fc|black}}};" | '''[[Image:Flag of Hezbollah.svg|40px]]'''
| style="font-size: {{{info-s|8}}}pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em; color: {{{info-fc|black}}};" | This user supports [[Hezbollah|armed resistance]] against hostilities.
|}</div>

 
and others who oppose it, resulting in edit wars on user pages, and today [[User:Embargo|a user page]] being locked. Where should this go? The normal mediation, RfC, ArbCom processes that exist for article disputes? [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
: I'd just like to note that [[Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion]] clearly says that "divisive and inflammatory" templates can be speedily deleted. In my opinion, putting up of material which meets any of the criteria for speedy deletion, and which is annoying and/or offensive, should result in a ban - in the same way as a repeated spammer would be banned.—[[User:Greenrd|greenrd]] 01:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:: The above user box is the toned down version of the original which used wiki links to say
"This user supports armed resistance against Israel" where armed resistance linked to Hezbollah and Israel was wikilinked to "massacres". Heck, the Hezbollah flag with its AK47 is bad enough. [[User:65.9.50.213|65.9.50.213]] 04:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Its against the guidlines, the userbox is a [[polemical]] statement, thats why theres such a fuss about it, if you wanted dispute resolution, well I'd suggest Rfc, ArbCom wouldn't touch it without seeking other measures first [[User:ryanpostlethwaite|Ryanpostlethwaite]] [[Special:Contributions/ryanpostlethwaite|contribs]]/[[User talk:ryanpostlethwaite|talk]] 08:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Simulation? ==

What does it mean by to "simulate" the Wiki "interface"? Someone can answer me please. [[User:Wooyi|Wooyi]] 17:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:Some users find it humorous to make fake "you have new messages" or fake "you have been blocked" messages. A large number of editors consider such fake UI to be rude rather than humorous. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 18:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:Any sort of use of markup code to create something that looks like part of the Wikipedia interface would violate this rule. You could use code to fake a new message window, or replace to already existing links with others. Basically it is a rule against hacking markup code to fool people. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

::Is there actually consensus that it is forbidden, or just a general distaste among many editors? I was too busy to follow the 100s of KB of discussion on the subject. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 18:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:I would say there is a consensus to that it is forbidden if you only take into account the policy based arguments. However, that is not the predominant interpretation of the consensus. What is certain is that it bugs a lot of people. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 18:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

::I sympathise about being too busy to follow all the debate generated. If you had, though, I think you would have seen that there is also a distaste among many editors for the policing of, say, joke "You have new messages" banners which link to a "ha ha" page. (No, I don't think they're very funny, but I also don't think my amusement, or my irritation, is what should allow or disallow all wikipedia joking). It seems to me that it ought to be possible to outlaw actually malicious or harmful "hacks," such as inserting a link to an external shock site or whatever—heck, not doing stuff like that is surely covered by existing policy anyway—without also insisting, to the point of edit warring and harassment,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Certified.Gangsta&action=history] on stamping out the "deception" of fake new messages banners because they irritate me. I'd advise people to go be irritated at something more serious around the site. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC). P. S. I've never seen a fake ''block'' message. Do you mean people put them on other people's talkpages, or what? That should obviously both be removed and get the culprit a stern talking-to. But it hardly seems relevant to this guideline, which is about what you can have on your own page. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC).

:::Yes, it ends up wasting everyone's time to police these things. I think it is common sense that if the link is to a site that was either graphic or fraudulent, or if an external link is presented as an onsite link then removal or more serious action is appropriate. And yes, I just this week saw a fake block message used as a joke somehow, but I don't think it was put on other people's user pages. I can't remember where it was. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 20:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== User Talk ==

What are the guidelines from removing warnings from your own talk page. I have found [[WP:ARCHIVE]] and [[WP:UW]] which answer that warnings should not be removed, however some people say that the editor has total control over their user talk page. [[user:mrholybrain|mrholybrain]][[user_talk:mrholybrain|'s talk]] 01:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

:I see how you can be confused. [[WP:ARCHIVE]] is only talking about IP users, not users who log in, and I don't see what you do in [[WP:UW]]. This question comes up more than once per week in various locations, and every time the consensus is: there is no reason that a user may not delete warnings, but when they are deleted this can be taken as evidence that they have been read. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 01:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:: there is a rather obvious and good reason that they should not be able to delete warnings. When given another warning you would base it off what they have for their level of warnings at that time. In other words I go to give a warning and they have just a level 3 up it would now be time for last/final warning. But if they had been blanking their warnings (which in my time on here and edits they only do when they are hiding the fact and continue to vandalize) then I see a blank talk page and give a low level when its time for final warning. --[[User:Xiahou|Xiahou]] 22:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Where to report inappropriate user page? ==

I came across a user page today that I think is in clear violation of WP policy (User:Carirach). Do I report this to WP:AIV? --[[User:Sanfranman59|Sanfranman59]] 23:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:You can do it at [[WP:AN]] too, where an admin could also delete it if necessary. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 23:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Step-by-Step Instructions Please ==

Is there a place where I can get step-by-step instructions for creating a user page? Thank you!
[[User:Airplane.freak|I LOVE AIRPLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]] 13:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:Click this link: [[User:Airplane.freak]] and edit the resulting page. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 13:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[User:Derrty2033]] created [[User:Flatscreen]] ==
[[User:Derrty2033]], who has been doing some weird stuff lately, created a page on [[User:Flatscreen]]. As far as I can tell, [[User:Flatscreen]] is not a real user. I have the impression that [[User:Flatscreen]] should be deleted as patent nonsense. Could someone provide guidance or take care of the page? Thank you, [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 21:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia software allows creating user talk pages for other users, because that is the only way the first posting can be created. It doesn't check to see if a user actually exists, however. I'm going to put a speedy delete on that page, and leave a note for Derrty. -- [[User:John Broughton|John Broughton]] [[User talk:John Broughton |(♫♫)]] 13:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

== <nowiki>{{CURENTUSER}}</nowiki> ? ==
Hello. I there such a model wich replace by the current user name? I tryed : <code><nowiki>{{CURENTUSER}},{{CURENTUSER}}, {{USER}}, {{USERPAGE}}</nowiki></code>, {{Special:Mypage}}, {{Special:Mytalk}}... but and searched in help files but i didn't find a suitable one. 
It is for use in an input box such as :
<pre><nowiki><inputbox>
type=create
preload={{PAGENAME}}/Bookmark
break=no
prefix=User:{{CURENTUSER}}/Bookmarks/
buttonlabel=New bookmark
</inputbox></nowiki></pre>
It is for a wikia project. 
Thanks by advance if you can help.--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 22:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:I moved this question to : [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#CURENTUSER template ?]]--[[User:Ttibaut|Ttibaut]] 23:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bringing the project into disrepute ==

Several editors have brought serrious trouble on themselves by including in user space material which is considered by others (including arbitrators) to be likely to bring the project into disrepute. In [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein/Proposed decision]] it is noted that there is nothing currently in this guideline to remind users of that. I added a section under "What is discouraged on my user page?" to remedy this omission. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 11:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Talkpage deletion of material by editors==
This seems to keep coming up... an editor blanks his/her own talkpage of content, warnings, etc. and then gets warned by another editor or admin for blanking content. I've actually seen a couple of editors get blocked for this (or for [[WP:3RR]] when they reverted the restoration). So, I think it would be helpful to add some text here indicating that editors are free to blank their talkpage but that archiving is preferable. This isn't instruction creep; this is current practice. I just think it would be helpful to spell it out since so many editors, admins included, don't seem to be aware this is the case. Any thoughts on wording, etc?--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 14:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed [[Wikipedia talk:User page#User Talk]] above, which kind of reinforces that this really needs to be written down... of course if there is disagreement about deleting warnings, this might be a good time to have that conversation too.--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 14:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

::There have been many such discussions in the past about just this, little consensus was reached. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]](Need help? [[User_talk:HighInBC|Ask me]]) 14:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Here is the gist of what I think such an addition should say (though my text leaves a lot to be desired, I'm at work and in a hurry — feel free to hack it to bits):
<blockquote>Users in good standing may utilize discretion with regard to all content on their user talk pages. When removing non-vandalism, [[WP:ARCHIVE|archiving]] is encouraged, but blocks may not be issued when no larger pattern of disruption exists.</blockquote>
—[[User:Bbatsell|bbatsell]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|¿?]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|✍]] 18:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Enforcement of [[WP:USER]]==
Any perusal of my user page shows that I parody other user pages. My categories are red-links, I have one single joke userbox, instead of barnstars I repost insults and vandalism. There is an admin who doesn't object to a category, [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] but he objects to me being in that category. I've been in that category for 17 months. Nothing about me being in that category is a violation of [[WP:USER]]. It's not divisive, or abusive or polemic. It doesn't insult anyone. But, this admin is threatening to block me for [[WP:POINT]] disruption for putting myself in this category.

This is strictly a control issue and I think it's abusive to threaten me with a block because I won't conform to his view of user organization. As this is a user space issue, it's exceedingly [[WP:LAME|lame]] but I don't like the implications of being bullied to remove things from my user page that otherwise comply with [[WP:USER]]. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 19:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:A better place for this would probably be at [[WP:ANI]] or [[WP:AN]]. I don't particularly agree with the way this is being handled by the other editor involved here.--[[User:Isotope23|Isotope23]] 19:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::I wrote it there, and decided to bring it here instead as it's such a silly issue I didn't think it rose to the occasion of being there... [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 20:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:::It seems reasonable to me that since the category [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] is only meant to contain other categories, you shouldn't add your user page directly to it. Although you can put almost whatever you want on your user page, adding the category tag also makes a change to the category listing, and it is ''that'' change, which is not on your user page, that I agree is improper. Can you explain one good reason to do it except "I want to"? [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 21:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::::That the category should only be a holding tank is a false premise. User categories are not strictly organized. There aren't strict rules about anything on user pages (or related to user pages) because it is the only place on WP where users have any free expression of themselves. Having that little bit of individual outlet encourages users to come and join our community. Now an admin has decided he's going to enforce strict definition of user categories. What policy or guideline says he should do that, and which says a user who doesn't comply with what he likes should be banned? [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 13:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::The link in [[:Category:Wikipedians by religion]] is not on your user page, and thus not covered by [[WP:USER]], despite the fact that it is generated by a command in the source code of your user page. If you want to put a fake categories box on your user page full of fake category links, that would fall under WP:USER. So the guideline in question is [[WP:POINT]], not [[WP:USER]]. [[User:CMummert|CMummert]] · [[User talk:CMummert|talk]] 16:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Again, false premise. User categories are a direct extension of user pages. This is the only relevant guideline that shows any consensus as to their purpose. The POINT issue isn't with users that want to have something silly on their page, it's with the group of users who've decided they've nothing better to do than disrupt other people's user pages. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 16:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
What you fail to mention in this is that there was a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:UCFD#More_parent_categories_to_depopulate unanimous UCFD debate] resulting in depopulating users from the category, which you were made fully aware of and ignored, claiming "no consensus exists that UCFD decisions are binding" as justification for ignoring any decision made there that you don't like. The admin who left the message on your user pages was fully justified, and I recommend you try to get the UCFD overturned if you disagree with the result. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] 08:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Placing images outside #content ==

Many userpages are now sporting images outside the id="content" area (e.g. [[:Image:Uncyclopedia Featured.png]]). The UI is not something people should be tampering with, and can lead to links being obscured (e.g. [[User:Fir0002]], [[User:Pizza1512]]) and confusion as to what is "official" content, and what is user-generated. [[User:ed_g2s|ed g2s]] • [[User talk:ed_g2s|talk]] 20:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I take it you missed the whole fake new messages fiasco? (If so then lucky you.) There were several different proposals to deal with user interface spoofing/tampering, but none of them gained consensus last I checked. The concept of "your userspace is your castle" held sway among a lot of the respondents on the village pump, so, while it's true that UI tampering is probably a bad idea, I suspect it would take Brion telling people to stop to get userpage decoration out of the links around the edges and back into the userpage itself. [[User talk:Picaroon9288|Picaroon]] 22:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::Surely there's a separate issue here to the joke message box one. What happens outside of the content box is no longer "your userpage" and so views on what should or shouldn't be allowed on ones userpage shouldn't apply to this arguement. I have to say that I'm all in favour of restricting what can be edited to what is in the content box, not through any desire to restrict freedom on userpages - but it really does get in the way of the UI and surely there is a shred of uniformity that we should grant wikipedia. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-22T23:00:35Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ comment

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::It could be me being mega dim but I can't actually find the picture on the website - the link definitely works but I have no idea what it's used for on the site... [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 23:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


{{-}}

<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-22T22:50:18Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ removing my own nonsence - sorry

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


{{-}}

<noinclude>[[Category:Featured picture nominations]] [[Category:Featured picture nominations/April 2007]]</noinclude>

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-22T22:49:13Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ comment

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe [http://www.answers.com/topic/kc-stadium-at-night-jpg this] clears it up? [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night

2007-04-22T22:45:03Z

...adam...: /* KC Stadium at night */ reply

===[[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/KC Stadium at night|KC Stadium at night]]===

[[Image:KC_Stadium_at_night.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kingston Communications Stadium, in Kingston-upon-Hull, viewed at night.]]
;Reason:I feel that this picture meets all the featured picture criteria. It is a well taken photo that adds to the articles it is used in and, personally, I find it stiring and think it deserves to be featured.
;Articles this image appears in:[[Kingston-Upon-Hull]], [[KC Stadium]], [[Hull FC]]
;Creator:Yorkshire Forward

* '''Support as nominator''' — [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. Can someone confirm the suitability of this image's licence, please? [[User:Pstuart84|Pstuart84]] [[User talk:Pstuart84|Talk]] 22:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:I have left a note on the user who uploaded it's talk page. I'll look into it though. [[User:...adam...|...adam...]] ([[User talk:...adam...|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/...adam...|contributions]]) 22:45, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


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User talk:TFoxton

2007-04-22T22:43:23Z

...adam...: comment

User talk:TFoxton

2007-04-22T22:41:45Z

...adam...: /* :Image:KC Stadium at night */ typo