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[[Image:Villainc.svg|thumb|left|150px|Composite image of a cabalist, based on witness accounts. Please note the villianous moustache and villainous arched unibrow.]]
This is a '''list of the [[Wikipedia:Cabals|cabals]]''' which dominate Wikipedia, ruthlessly abusing its content for their own evil purposes. All of these cabals control the encyclopedia, and dictate its content, although it is unclear how all the different cabals can each control Wikipedia at once. It is likely that there is One True Cabal which secretly controls all the other cabals, but no one yet knows which cabal is this master-cabal. (Except, of course, the master-cabal members themselves.)

Many brave martyrs have risked their editing careers, nay, their very lives to expose these cabals. If you are aware of any other cabals, and you're [[Dirty Harry|feeling lucky]], please add them to this list.
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==Active cabals==
===Administrator-related cabals===
====THE Administrator Cabal====
First floated by [[Jim Wales]] in October 2001,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2001-October/000584.html|title=A proposal for the new software|last=Wales|first=Jimmy |date=October 18, 2001 |accessdate=2009-09-17}}</ref> THE Administrator Cabal is by far the best known of all the cabals; this special cabal (a) totally exists; (b) totally opposes all reasoned arguments consisting of 88-paragraph flames justifying the use of swear words QUITE PROPERLY used to describe the WHOLLY OUT OF LINE editor who just shredded MY EXCELLENT AND THOUGHTFUL piece extolling the virtues of ''insert your band/album/fave group here'' and (c) totally should be banned. Anyone thinking otherwise will be auto-deleted by the said cabal. This cabal typically surfaces on musical group pages but can also be encountered in political zones and defending so-called (by non-Cabalites) '''administrator vanity pages''' which of course do not exist, at least according to the administrator cabal. All communications with this cabal usually end with the cabal claiming that ''Jimbo Wales approved our viewpoint''.<ref>NPR [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6432206 summary] of "Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me!" for 2006-11-04</ref> These sysops are the enemies of the [[#Developer_Cabal|developer cabal]] who ''attempt'' to destroy them.<ref name=autogenerated1>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-July/005459.html 2003-July/005459] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Adminbot cabal====
This secret-open-open-secret cabal of [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Adminbots#List of adminbots and admins running deletion scripts|undisclosed membership]] does zomgevil [[computer programming|unholy magic]] with their [[WP:ACCOUNT|avatars]] that will someday be the [[Skynet (Terminator)|undoing]] of Wikipedia (they are openly-secretly developing an AI that will replace every admin, but shh! don't tell anybody).

====Collective AdMin Cabal====
(Also referred to as the 'Hive Mind Cabal') This term is used to describe the group consciousness of the Administative Rhelm. A recently elected administrator (called dro-Ed) is linked to the administrative collective by a subspace network that ensures each member is effectively and constantly supervised. The collective "hive mind" is broadcast over a subspace domain similar to that utilized by "ON-Star'GPS systems. Being part of the Collective Cabal offers significant administative advantages to the individual dro-Eds The group consciousness of the AdMin Collective can help in tactical staging and implementation of "Ad-swarm", an important instrument in the Collectives' ability to adapt with great speed to all defensive tactics used against them.

====Communist admin cabal====
The rougest of the rouge, this cabal of admins exists to protect the pedophilic cabal (see below).<ref>[http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20679 Baou - Baou.com]</ref>

====Interwiki cabal====
This cabal is run by '''en:''' admins who use their evil power to control other language wikis.<ref>[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-March/014770.html Wikipedia featured in German weekly magazine]</ref>

====Name-censoring Cabal====
This cabal blocks users because of their usernames. The reason why they do this, according to [name censored], is because they have failed to read every single message ever posted to the mailing list.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-July/005171.html 2003-July/005171] to WikiEN-l</ref> This cabal is also alphebetically challenged.

====RfA Cabal====
These admins control [[WP:RFA|RfA]], so that only their friends are made admins. They also issue "some kind of certificate you hang on your wall, much like a diploma."<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-June/024945.html 2005-June/024945] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Rouge admin Cabal====
[[File:There's no cabal.png|thumb|left|350px|A comic illustrating cabal]]
{{mainarticle|Wikipedia:Rouge admin}}
These rouge admins, based on the flimisiest of grounds - policy and consensus - require not [[Wikipedia:The Truth|The Truth]]™ but what is [[Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth|verifiable]]. Do not confuse them with the Sysop Cabal. Members are known to favour the use of [[lipstick]] at all times, regardless of gender or body part in question. Prerequisite to join is an existing membership of the Administrator cabal. (Note for prospective members: there is an extremely limited range of approved shades of [[Rouge (cosmetics)|rouge]]).<ref>[[Wikipedia:Rouge admin]]</ref>

===Wikipedia maintenance cabals===
These cabals dominate Wikipedia through various forms of maintenance and [[Wikipedia:Wikignome|work done in the background]].

==== Account Creator Cabal ====
A [[Wikipedia:Cabals#Types of cabals|restricted-membership cabal]] with [[Special:ListGroupRights|account creation rights]]. This cabal controls who has and hasn't an account on Wikipedia. <s>We<s>They know if a person is going to commit [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|COI]] or anything else so we ban them ''before'' they do it (or even have an account) to "prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia". If you were damaging or disrupting Wikipedia, and you find that you cannot log on any more because your username does not exist, you know that the Account "Creator" Cabal are at work.

:''Roses are red, Violets are blue. In Soviet Wikipedia, account create you.''

====ArbCabal====
This group controls the [[WP:ARBCOM|ArbCom]]. Cunningly, the "Arb" stands for both arbitration and arbitrary.<ref>Mailing list post "[WikiEN-l] [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January/009877.html Arbitration progress report #1] by [[User:The Cunctator]]</ref>

====Barbeques Cabal====
This group wants to see all vandals roasted. Or skewered and turned on a spit. Failing that, at least, can wikimeetups be held at places that have good [[Barbeque|BBQ]]? And no, no member has ever said [[Paul Hogan|"Put another shrimp on the barbie"]]. You're thinking of the Australian Cabal,<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FLar&diff=51413972&oldid=51408245 Edit] by [[User:Jacoplane]] on [[2006]]-[[05-03]] to [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lar]]</ref> which clearly would have said "prawn" anyway.

====The [[User:Bohemian Revolution/Cabal|Bohemian Revolutionary Cabal]]====
A cabal under construction, its purpose is yet to be revealed... Your guess is as good as mine.

====Bot-owner Cabal====
The bot cabal is a group of elite bot-owners who realized something: You don't need to follow the rules to be a successful editor. You just need enough resources and a clever enough algorithm.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=189004913&oldid=189003624]</ref>

====Capitalist Cabal====
This cabal owns the beach where the Groupthinking Cabal walks. They also are negotiating with the MexiCabal for "naming rights" for the Taquerias. Rumors have spread that this cabal is in negotiation with the Yournotthebossofme Group of Polymorphic Sysops (GYPS) who desire charging a fee for editing at Wikipedia. Overheard during negotiations was this upsetting tidbit......."and these idiots are working for free. Maybe we should charge them. Let's say $10 every 1/2 hr. We could be as rich as Gates!~"

====The Cavil Cabal====
This group of nefarious naysayers are always finding fault--''with everything.'' They make mountains out of moleholes and turn quality articles into oatmeal. They continuously carp and complain and will absolutely '''not''' stop. Their very presence brings consternation, despair, and [[Existentialism#Dread| existential angst]]. Unlike other cabals their members operate singly. Once an article falls into the hands of one of these hollow self-important "heroes" the possibility it will ever see the light of day has disappeared. Like the [[The Spanish Inquisition (Monty Python)|Spanish Inquisition]], their three... no, four... main weapons are fear, [[WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT|intransigence]], [[logorrhea]], and an almost fanatical [[WP:LAWYER|devotion to process]]. Attempts to reason with this cabal have resulted in partial insanity, swelling of the joints and severe twitching.<ref>Dr. Ben Dover, Studies in WikiWacky, Chicago Press, 2003-04, pgs 123-456</ref>

====Deletionist Cabal====
This cabal infringes on the right of all Wikipedians to add completely unverified and speculatory material to articles. Down with deletionism!<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-May/003270.html 2003-May/003270] to WikiEN-l</ref> According to a witness of one of their meetings, the dogma is "Roses are red, violets are blue. In [[Russian reversal|Soviet Russia]], Wikipedia delete you!"<ref name="Wikipedia the Movie">{{cite video
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====Delete the Deletionist Cabal====
This obscure yet important cabal attempts to convince deletionists that the Supreme Act of Pure Deletionism is [[self-deletion]]. A favored, documented<ref>Retirement Today...2010</ref> tactic is to make the targeted deletionist believe that ''"WikiPedia '''IS''' Paper"'' and they are taking up valuable space. So far over 37 "deletionists" have fallen for this obvious ruse and have self-destructed. WikiWorld is a safer place!

====Developer Cabal====
{{see|Wikipedia:Do NOT bite the developers}}
This cabal was first mentioned by Jimbo as a possible check on the power of the sysop cabal. There is no confirmation that it exists, but of course it does, even though it does not exist.<ref name=autogenerated1 />

====Election guide writing cabal====
Certain users write guides to the ArbCom elections in hopes of influencing the results. The guides have been linked prominently from the [[:Template:ACE2010|election navigation template]]. This serves to give a false imprimatur that the guides are "official", when in fact they are nothing of the sort. The guide writers have formed a cabal to vehemently resist any sort of election reform that might remove these precious links.

====Ex-President Cabal====
With the common knowledge that former Presidents of the United States have very little to do, this cabal was formed to provide a source of backroom advice for Wikipedia administrators. On the rare occasions that they get together, they are often mistaken for the rock band [[Kiss]]. False modesty, flim-flammery, duplicity, stealth and blamelessness are but a small portion of the lessons that the EP Cabal passes on. Some available CD's include:
*''Unimpeachable'':What can they do?,
*''Faultless Obfuscation'':How to use alot of fifty cent words without saying anything,
*''Coverup'':What they don't know won't hurt them,
*''From Class Clown to Ruler of the Free World'': I did it, so can you!

====The Fake Cabal Adding Cabal====
Dedicated to adding fake cabals to the List of Cabals. So far, they have infiltrated <s>this listing</s> nowhere, because <s>they want to</s> they don't exist.

====Groupthinking cabal====
This cabal has not had an original thought in years.
This cabal also enjoys "juvenile insults", "power-tripping" and long walks on the beach.<ref>[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-June/033611.html]</ref>

[[File:Cabal of One.jpg|thumb|left|100px|You, too, can cabal.]]
====[[User:Carrera/THCCMC|The High Communist Council Cabal]]====
This cabal is a sworn group of editors that will resist the Evil One and protect Wikipedia not matter what the odds are. This is a super super private group but please do put your name in just in case. Anybody who is a rebel, is ready to resist and hates being ruled under a dictatorship should apply!!!!!

====The Hypnosis Cabal====
"Your'e getting sleepy...your eyelids are heavy...the more you read this, the sleepier you get...count backwards from 10...you feel relaxed...9...your head feels as light as air...8...all tension has left your body...7...Just a sec. Phone call!"

This is nefarious rouge mercenary cabal works to develop a system of compulsory [[meritocracy]] so that they may achieve their [[clandestine]] goals. Their members specialize in [[neuro-linguistic programming|embedding commands]] in articles that work on the [[subconscious]]. While this cabal has infiltrated most other cabals, they are believed to be subservient to the [[One True Cabal]]. You are working under their control right now.

====Inquisitorial cabal====
This rather vague and non-specific cabal heinously forces users to be accountable for their edits.<ref>[http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Wikipedia Wikipedia] at Anarchopedia</ref>

====In The News cabal====
[[File:Gnome globe current event.svg|thumb|150px|How long until the In the news Cabal puts you through their "process"?]]
This small group believes they own [[Template:In the news]] and seems... insular. Process-wonks, they have developed "precedent" over time to guide their decisions. Members include admins who, suspiciously, spend a lot of time on mainpage stuff.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=310268673#Omission_of_Senator_Kennedy.27s_death_from_.22In_the_News.22 Omission of Senator Kennedy's death from "In the News"], [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]], 26 August 2009</ref>

====Indian IRC Goons' cabal====
Led by the sekrit Canadian killer nurse [[User:Samir (The Scope)|Samir]] and his faithful [[cronyism|crony]] [[User:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington|Nearly Headless Nick]]<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington&diff=prev&oldid=98412183 Diff from prev to 98412183 on article Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Pascal.Tesson&diff=prev&oldid=99319980/ Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pascal.Tesson]</ref>

===="IRC fairy" cabal====
{{policy shortcut|WP:IRCisEVIL}}
When they're not chatting about random nonsense on IRC, they're secretly plotting the downfall of those unwilling to join them. They have their IRC friends vote them into adminship, and occasionally for the sake of appearance do a little reverting and admining. And of course, they have wings and sparkly tights.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2006/Candidate_statements/Questions_for_Kylu&diff=prev&oldid=86712486 Diff from prev to 86712486 on article Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2006/Candidate_statements/Questions_for_Kylu]</ref>

====Invisible Cabal====
{{mainarticle|User:Lights/Invisible Cabal}}
The newest cabal so far, they plan to attack other cabals and userpages with an invisible tag! They must be stopped!

====Jimbo Cabal====
This cabal consists of a single "rouge" editor that sits around in his underwear, probably in his parents' basement, on an old relic Apple computer. When his mother yells down to him, "What are you doing?"....He yells back...."O..Nothing...JUST CHANGING THE WORLD AS YOU KNOW IT!...What's for dinner?" His only friends are a gaggle of Stars Wars Fanatics that use his room as a clubhouse. They are not in the cabal.

====Jokes must die cabal====
This one moves stuff to [[WP:BJAODN]] for no apparent reason. Then they nominate [[WP:BJAODN]] for deletion. 
Then they delete any references to cabals or nominate [[WP:SCREW|this page]] for deletion.<ref>[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of cabals]]</ref> On Wikipedia, Cabal '''[[wp:efd‎|deletes you]]'''!

====The League of friends cabal====
{{mainarticle|User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa/League of friends cabal}}
This cabal consists of very friendly wikipedians who are willing to welcome all good hearted wikipedians into their midst's. It is pretty much a social cabal whose main aim is to share the knowledge of the cabals members.

====Love cabal====
{{mainarticle|User:Arknascar44/Love Cabal}}
This cabal add little hearts to the top of user's userpages to promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]], but that is just the cover story.

====Mafia-style hostage-taking cabal====
After assassins failed to eliminate the GodKing, this cabal was formed to take the database hostage for ONE MILLION DOLLARS. [[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] has been repeatedly approached to join this cabal, but has always refused to join.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-July/005461.html 2003-July/005461] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Master cabal====
This shadowy group limits the influence of its enemies by locking the database from editing.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-January/018328.html 2005-January/018328] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Mediation cabal====
{{mainarticle|Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal}}
A shadowy group which censors articles in the guise of "mediation".

====Megalomaniac Cabal====
A group of editors, many of whom have identified themselves with power-mad names, out to take over the world. Several theories have been put forward as to how they will attempt to do this, most of them involving computer viruses and pictures of underclad actresses.

====OMGCom cabal====
[[Image:Mata Hari 2a.jpg|right|thumb|[[Mata Hari]], patron saint of OMGcom.]]
[[WP:OMGcom]] welcomes all users who can spread drama quickly and efficiently across Wikipedia. The OMGcom signup list might reveal its membership, or it may be a smokescreen for the real OMGcom.

====Open and friendly cabal====
This cabal welcomes anyone who can "write some articles, act reasonably, don't be *too* self centered and sarcastic, [and] join the mailing list." Obviously, [[It's a trap!]] (Many other cabals use this group for recruiting purposes.<ref>[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/intlwiki-l/2002-October/001086.html]</ref>

====Secret cabal====
The members of this cabal issue "sealed proclamations" declaring that certain users are banned. Obviously members of the cabal, and admins who enforce the bans can read the proclamations, while other people cannot. Perhaps they are written in some kind of invisible ink, and cabal members are issued with special glasses to be able to read them.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013873.html 2004-June/013873] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Secret mailing list cabal====
These people communicate exclusively by means of secret [[m:Mailing lists|mailing lists]] to which only they have access. Nothing more is known about them, because no-one else can read their emails. It is highly likely that they talk about very interesting things.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-June/005022.html 2003-June/005022] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Shrubbery cabal====
This cabal works solely to exclude [[Knights who say Ni|Ni]]-sayers from participating in Wikipedia.

====[[User:Ktr101/Skype Cabal|Skype Cabal]]====
The Skype Cabal consists of editors who collaborate on Skype amongst other things. Originally started by [[User:Durova]] a few years back, it has been reactivated and looks forward to hearing from you. Membership demands that you have a Skype username but not much else is needed here.

====The Vandalism Cabal====
This cabal was originally made up of disgruntled Wikipedia editors, however it now includes large numbers of high-school teachers who wish to discredit Wikipedia as a reliable source of information, discouraging its use for term-papers. Lately this cabal has organized, utilizing vandalism-bots in order to deter editors from focusing on certain articles.

===Content cabals===
These cabals focus on some form of [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|POV pushing]].

====Aes Sedai Cabal====
This cabal consists of all the [[Aes Sedai]] present in the world. Commonly believed to be the ultimate embodiment of [[feminist]] manipulation, they seek to influence Wikipedia in various subversive ways. It is very likely that the [[Grey Ajah]] is responsible for the creation of this cabal. They have made no efforts to conceal themselves, as they have taken the Three Oaths and are incapable of lying--meaning that one should pay strict attention to every word an Aes Sedai says so as not to be misled. It is interesting to note that the [[Amyrlin Seat]] is convinced that both a [[Darkfriend]] Cabal and an [[Asha'man]] Cabal exist, but she has yet to provide evidence of such claims.

====Allegations of Apartheid Cabal====
See [[Wikipedia:Allegations of allegations of apartheid apartheid]]

====Anti-Negativity Cabal====
As most ordinary people know, there is a huge, perhaps universal cabal setup by "the man" against [[negative number]]s in general, and specifically whenever negative numbers meet seemingly benign concepts such as [[Fraction (mathematics)|fractions]]. There has been an historical prejudice against negative fractions to the point that [[historical revisionism]] has been setup to avoid any instance that [[Talk:Fraction_(mathematics)#Afraid_of_negativity?|negative fractions even exist]].<ref> Consider this revision by an editor who is a member of the anti-negativity cabal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fraction_%28mathematics%29&action=historysubmit&diff=461188483&oldid=461188367 Diff of Fraction (mathematics)]</ref> A courageous editor (known widely as the "Defender of Negativity") has setup a way to donate to the cause of the under-represented negative fraction whose very existence on the Wikipedia borders on [[extinction]]. The Defender of Negativity has also proposed [[affirmative action]] by apparently using negative fractions in places where there is no apparent reason for or against them.
{{Quote|Go to my talk page if you want to give a negative fraction a new vision for life and a chance to make a difference... before it's too late. Remember, negatives are just like the positives; they just look a little different on the outside. Don't be ashamed any longer; stick up for them when you edit articles and '''puppies will frolic on grass and stuff'''. [[User:Uruiamme|I like to saw logs!]] ([[User talk:Uruiamme|talk]]) (a.k.a. Defender of Negativity)|from [[Talk:Fraction_(mathematics)#Afraid_of_negativity?]], emphasis added for effect.}}

====Anti-Nintendo Cabal====
Ask [[User:Bonelayer12864|here]].

====Anti-Red Faction Cabal====
This "self-congratulatory" cabal, formed to destroy [[User:Lir]], is now the mortal enemy of "the children of Lir".<ref>([[User:Plato/red faction]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=User:Plato/red_faction&timestamp=20040804044840 Show], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Plato/red_faction Log])</ref>

====Anti-Scientology Cabal====

The Anti-[[Scientology|Scientologist]] cabal are crack-addicted [[Scientology_beliefs_and_practices#Squirreling|<s>squirrels</s>]] [[prostitute]]s who enjoy making fun of [[L. Ron Hubbard]] on [[Wikinews]], and who also post on Enturbulation.org. Must not be allowed to touch any article referencing Scientology; lest they corrupt the NPOV of the article.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_32#WikiNews_is_a_crack_.22harlot.22_.28someone_didn.27t_like_my_term.29]</ref>

Anti-Scientologists have been known not to read ''[[National Enquirer]]'' containing articles about alleged <s>aliens</s> scientologists [[John Travolta]], [[Priscilla Presley]], and [[Tom Cruise]].

====Atheist cabal====
The Atheist Cabal is determined to scrub all mention of [[redlink|God]] from Wikipedia. Their greatest achievement so far has been the elimination of the terms 'BC' and 'AD'.

====[[Big_Brother_%28Nineteen_Eighty-Four%29|Big Brother]]'s personal cabal====
[[Inner Party|This cabal]] marks things they don't like as [[WP:AFD|CRIMETHINK]] and [[murder|vaporizes]] their political enem--
Banned users are unusers who never existed. It is thought that this cabal may be controled by [[reptilians|shapeshifting lizard-people]].

YOU SAW NOTHING TODAY.

====BLP Cabal====
The newest and most vigorous cabal on Wikipedia. Their [[Modus operandi|M.O.]] is to utter the phrase '''''"BLP"''''' as loudly and forcefully as possible before mercilessly editing/deleting supposed biographies of living people (and dead people too, strangely). They seem to be intimately familiar with the inner machinations of the ArbCabal. (Not to be confused with the now defunct '''''"BLT"''''' Cabal which promoted the consumption of "Club" sandwiches. The BLT cabal disbanded when the price of toothpicks skyrocketed)

====[[User:Neurolysis/Cat Cabal|Catbal]] {{anchor|CATS}}====
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[[Image:Wikipedia-lolcat.jpg|thumb|right]]
The evil cabal led by [[User:Ceiling Cat|Ceiling Cat]] to permeate the use of cat images throughout Wikipedia, especially on the [[Main Page]]. This cable is swarm enemies of the [[Wikipedia:List_of_cabals#Puppy_Cabal|Puppy Cabal]]. MOAR KATZ!

====[[Central Intelligence Agency|CIA]] Cabal====
"Staffers of the Wikipedia online 'encyclopedia' - now one of the most dominant media websites in the entire world - show signs of being CIA-type operatives, directly engaged in US-funded propaganda operations against US citizens."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://bannedinamerica.blogspot.com/2006/04/wikipedia-and-cia-how-us-intelligence.html|title=Wikipedia and the CIA - How US Intelligence Can Embed in Wikipedia, Plant Propaganda, Delete Facts, Deceive and Attack US Citizens|work=Banned in America|date=[[2006-04-15]]|first=Les|last=Sachs|accessdate=2007-02-21}}</ref>

====Anti-Christian Cabal====
Underground cabal that uses parody and poker games to invite unsuspecting users into their lair for conversion and [[Lithuanian]] chit-chat. If encountered, smile and nod your head, but decline any offers of cool, refreshing Kool-Aid.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Averykrouse/Christian_Cabal&oldid=42069930 User:Averykrouse/Christian Cabal]</ref> Christian cabalists are all [[Forced conversion|brain-washed]] and have an intuitive understanding of how to brainwash others. To them, [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|factual material]] is just bait. Beware their "spirituality is the opposite of brainwashing" technique—you're being brainwashed.

====Dalit Cabal====
This cabal (which takes it's name from the Untouchables of India) has a possible membership of at least 160 million individuals. If the day comes when the Dalits all have computers and internet access, look out! Their goal is to find a reality of existence WITHOUT the Indian Caste System.

====FARAWAY====
F*d*r*l Ag*nts R*nn*ng All W*k*s And Y*h** -- protecting National Security by controlling Website content, though some "'''C'''" a '''plot''' behind it all.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Benedict_the_Moor&oldid=101609258#Alright_then You do not have high enough clearance to view this document]</ref>

====Gay Cabal====
[[File:LolGayCabal.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Wooh, massive gay conspiracy...]]
[[File:Sikh with sword and very large turban.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Supreme Al-Gayda Leader, [[Team America: World Police|Durka Durka]] and all his Wiki-followers (inside the turban).]]
Also known as the [[Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other|gay caballeros]], this group keeps a queer eye on all of Wikipedia, in addition to providing some of the best [[Gay pornography|gay porn]] references around. The group believes everyone is [[gay]] and anyone that says they aren't, is [[Closeted|in denial]]. Vandals of gay articles will be made into [[Top and bottom in sex and BDSM#Bottom|bottoms]] on sight. The group is suspected of being part of a larger gay mafia<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aleta&diff=next&oldid=202768737]</ref> called Al-Gayda.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx7kvuVPk0g Video - Sally Kern likens gays to terrorists]</ref> Calling a member of this group a [[Homophobia|homophobe]] is a compliment, obviously. Fear them!

====Geographical cabals====
Cabals of one particular country.

=====Australian Cabal=====

Strewth! Led by <s>[[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]]</s> <s>[[User:Alphax|Alphax]]</s> <s>[[User:MarkGallagher|fuddlemark]]</s> [[User:Mark|Mark]] and [[User:Alphax|Alphax]] (jointly), these bleeding "Aussies" aim to take over Wikimedia, "and hence all international commerce, and politics." It is rumored that [[User:Sarah|Sarah]] may be secretly commanding the group. Reports indicate Sarah's prowess in the art of Vandal Whacking, especially against rogue elements of the Canadian cabal, making the Australian cabal one of the most feared but respected groups on the wiki.<ref>Mailing list post "[WikiEN-l] [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2005-January/018069.html Re: How to join the cabal]" by [[User:The bellman]]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Ottawaman&action=history history] for [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Ottawaman]]</ref> Their end goal is unclear - but you just know they're planning something.

The main aim of the Australian cabal is to:
#<s>Destroy the Canadian cabal</s> <s>{{done}}</s>
# Take over the world {{inprogress}}

=====Canadian Cabal=====
The enemy of the [[#Australian Cabal|Australian cabal]]. Not much is known of them. It is believed that the cabal is led by [[User:Greeves|Greeves]].

=====The Great Wall of China Cabal=====
The major focus of this cabal are the Talk:pages. Guidelines restricting the appropriate edits have been established for everyone OTHER than the members of the cabal. All services provided by the members of the GWCC are completely free and are furnished for the "good life" of the end user. For Instance...
No editor may use the talkpages to:
:*injure the reputation of Wikipedia organs (no one really knows what that means);
:*incite or resist, or incite to resist, resistence toward incitement;
:*incite to overthrow the elected and lifelong serving officials of Wikipedia;
:*incite hatred or discrimination or feelings of resentment or retaliation or intollerence or any other natural emotion toward administrators;
:*promote superstition, sexually aggresive suggestions, or comments about mothers toward administrators;
:*distort the Truth, as determined by any 3 administrators (see:concensus) within 1/2 hour of each other.

Members of this cabal can be distinguished by the gilded and mosaicked handles of their mops. Newer members are adorning their mops with feathers and long tassles. Veteran cabalists frown on this practice as ostentatious.

=====MexiCabal=====
Furthering the Mexican agenda on Wikipedia.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FFireFox&diff=26988497&oldid=26988018 Diff from 26988497 to 26988018 on article Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FFireFox]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABluebot&diff=29004213&oldid=28904384 Diff from 29004213 to 28904384 on article User%3ABluebot]</ref> Also, opening many taquerias around the globe! See:Jalepeno Cabal

=====Polish Cabal=====
This group of Polish editors pushes pro-Polish POV, with the ultimate aim of turning English Wikipedia into a Polish Wikipedia. So far, they have gotten to the "P".<ref>[[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-07 Polish Cabal and_myself as its leader|Polish cabal]]</ref>

=====Texan Cabal=====
{{mainarticle|User:JCarriker/TC}}
This cabal has its [[WP:BEANS|evil lair]] somewhere in [[Texas]]. The Texan Cabal claims to be dedicated to social bonding through nefarious and nonsensical activities, but due to the size of Texas its true intentions and activities are hard to track.<ref>[[User:JCarriker/TC]]</ref> The Texan cabal considers the anti-Texan cabal a non-entity and of no consequence whatsoever...like a Texas Longhorn steer to a prairie dog. This is, of course, because the Anti-Texan Cabal is so secretive.

=====Anti-texan Cabal=====
Quite assuredly the most secretive, mysterious, and dangerous of all cabals. It has been postulated that this group propagates propaganda covering most of the world's anti-texas sentiment. This group can not be verified, and therefore this should not be on Wikipedia, but your pure, unabashed hatred for texas allows it to continue. You really hate texas. This group never capitalizes the English mutation "texas", and only tolerates it above due to the neutrality of this page and the groups's inherent sense of honor and respect, something the slimy, hated texans lack. This people know the only good thing to come out of texas is Booby Miles. And maybe Ivory Christian and Mike Winchell, but definitely not midland, a hive of scum and villainy concentrating on keeping Booby out. Everyone hates texas. It's also worth noting that the texan Cabal thinks this Cabal is a non-entity like a texas Longhorn to a prarie dog, which of course means that the texan THAT put it in thinks that a prarie dog considers texas Longhorns to be non-entities, which is not true (unless the texan in question is referring to the University of texas Longhorns). This cabal recognizes the Republic of Molossia, due to its ban on anything from texas except for Kelly Clarkson, which is consistent with the Cabal's ideas.

=====Antarctican Cabal=====
Made up of dedicated lazy-butt scientists and researchers who waste precious bandwidth editing Wikipedia from Antarctica's many research bases. It is probably best if you don't join this cabal because nearly all of the members are sullen, withdrawn, and anti-social. You would also have to live in Antarctica year-round. It is speculated that they have a military base in Antarctica. Cabal members specialize in posting pictures of penguins and whales, and it is their goal that by 2015, every article will have a picture of a penguin with the slogan "Antarctica Rox!"

'''On file:''' [[Wikipedia:List_of_cabals#Penguin_Cabal|Penguin Cabal]]

=====Earth Cabal=====
{{mainarticle|User:Hirohisat/Earth Cabal}}
This cabal is dedicated to tagging user pages with its tag. This cabal is based on Earth, the land of global warming.

====Humanist cabal====
This cabal consists of a group of forward-thinking humanists (as the un-original title of their cabal implies). They constantly strive to eliminate all entries that promote [[supernaturalism]] and [[religion]], in the interest of preserving a progressive, [[secular]] attitude on Wikipedia--hence the repeated allegations that Wikipedia possesses a significant liberal bent. A primary facet of their belief system is that they seek to define [[man]] by classifying the species as something akin to a malformed [[ape]]. Although large in membership and far-reaching in power, they were only recently unearthed on [[January 10th]], [[2008]]. In retrospect, their effects on Wikipedia's content is quite obvious, although the elusive cabal was unable to be specifically labeled for a long time. It is suspected that this cabal was exposed by the Christian cabal. If this hypothesis is true, it is then likely that the person responsible for identifying the Christian cabal is a member of the Humanist cabal.

====Ivory tower cabal====
A brotherhood of historians who slavishly follow historical orthodoxy.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-June/013197.html 2004-June/013197] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Japanophile cabal====
Have you just been totally bewildered by a longwinded and nearly unintelligible article, peppered with pseudo-Japanese words you don't have a chance of understanding, which waxes philosophical about a minor [[anime]] plot cliché? You've stumbled across the work of the Japanophile cabal. One of the oldest and most powerful cabals, its prolificity has prompted [[Wikimedia Foundation]] founder [[Jimbo Wales]] to say, "[...] Wikipedia is really, really, really strong in the area of Japanese cartoon characters. And, if you push that 'random' button, I think about 33% of what you find in Wikipedia is Japanese cartoon characters [...]"<ref>{{cite episode
| title = Not My Job: Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales
| episodelink =
| series = Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
| serieslink = Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!
| airdate = 2006-11-04
| season =
| number = }}</ref>. Though they are not particularly intrinsically quick to wrathfulness, a surefire way to provoke the ire of the Japanophile cabal is to challenge their knowledge of the [[Japanese language]] garnered entirely by watching undubbed Japanese cartoons with questionable fan-made subtitles. When provoked, the Japanophile cabal typically reacts by calling the offending party "''baka''" a lot and roleplaying various scenarios wherein the offending party is killed in a dramatic fashion.

====Kabbalah cabal====
A Kabbalist cabalist mainly edits articles about Kabbalistic texts such as the [[Zohar]] or about famous Kabbalists such as [[Isaac Luria]], [[Madonna]], or [[Britney Spears]]. They may take membership at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Kabbalah|WikiProject Kabbalah]].

====The Knights of NPOV Cabal====
{{mainarticle|Wikipedia:Knights of NPOV}}
This cabal appears to have the declared aim of ridding Wikipedia of all that which is perceived by community consensus to be POV, or that might possibly appear to do so at any point, past, present or future, as a possible result of which it can appear to be what may seem to some users perhaps to be somewhat vague. It does not yet appear to be apparent to most experts{{Who|date=September 2008}} whether or not the cabal has done anything towards its stated{{Fact|date=September 2008}} or implicit aims. Unrelated to the knights who say NIH!

====Masonic cabal====
No such thing, and in any case they're busy "[[Pinky and the Brain|TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD]]!"

====ME activist cabal====
Activists have allegedly taken over the myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) and [[chronic fatigue syndrome]] (CFS) articles with their pro-organic propaganda and censorship of psychological factors.

Not a very effective cabal though, as there is no [[myalgic encephalomyelitis]] article and cognitive behavioural therapy dominates the CFS treatment section and subarticle.

====Michael Jackson Cabal====
A group of radical worshipers of Michael Jackson, whose edits often hurt the article.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Jackson&diff=80703693&oldid=80503599 Diff from 80703693 to 80503599 on article Michael_Jackson]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Jackson&diff=83613101&oldid=83504771 Diff from 83613101 to 83504771 on article Michael_Jackson]</ref>

====Mormon Smokescreen Cabal====
The [[WP:NPOV|Neutral Point of View]] and [[WP:OR|No Original Research]] policies were actually created by Mormons editors specifically to prevent the TRUTH about Mormonism from being exposed in a clear and concise manner, or, in other words, without being encumbered by attributions to critics, after all, there are no critics, only TRUTH. The Mormon Smokescreen Cabal was first exposed on the [[Talk:First Vision|First Vision talk page]].<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFirst_Vision&diff=146643699&oldid=146628198 Earliest extant identification of Mormon Smokescreen Cabal]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFirst_Vision&diff=153726372&oldid=153650260 Another Mormon Smokescreen Cabal reference]</ref>

====Musicabal cabal====
Though not usually recognized as dominant, this treblesome group supports each other for adminship and featured article status. Will horn in on any situation, drum up support, and back up their position with violins if necessary (or worse, violas).<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/RobertG&diff=23765038&oldid=23763788 Diff from 23765038 to 23763788 on article Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/RobertG]</ref> It is believed that this group secretly wishes the dominance of folk-pop fusion over all other genre of music.

====Neo-Maoist Great Proletarian cabal====
This "cyber-inquisition" is at the heart of the "techno-cult of ignorance", which aims to suppress completely legitimate branches of science such as [[User:Natalinasmpf/aetherometry discussion|Aetherometry]].<ref>[link not allowed by spam filter] Section III.6 of Wikipedia: A techno-cult of ignorance]</ref>

====Opera cabal====
An over-protective group of editors known for their uncanny ability to control and dominate all articles that are in any way related to the limited world of Opera (said by some to be the most expensive entertainment vehicle ever created). Chewing gum in the presence of an Opera cabal member may result not only in a ban but a monetary fine as well. The crinkling of plastic wrappers is strictly forbidden. Of course, empty popcorn containers should never be thrown in the general direction of an Opera cabal member. "Chit-chatting and yammering on the talk pages should be punishable by removal and complete banishment from WP for up to a year", said I.M. Stuckupp, a residing officer of the Opera cabal. Members are affectionately called "'''Opera'''-tives' within the group.

====Pagan cabal====
This group kills off articles one at a time by ritually sacrificing NPOV, presumably in some kind of unholy ceremony.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-April/012258.html 2004-April/012258] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====Palm Tree Cabal====
Plant a Palm tree in Wikipedia.

====Pedophile Cabal====
When you delve into exactly who the users are editing the "Internet's Encyclopedia" you find a vast pedophile cabal seeking to undermine it.<ref>{{cite web
|url=http://www.perverted-justice.com/index.php?pg=cso
|title=Corporate Sex Offenders
|publisher=Perverted Justice
|accessdate=2007-03-07
}}</ref>

====Penguin Cabal====
[[Image:Crystal 128 penguin.png|frame|right|Beware...]]

{{mainarticle|User:Ryulong/Penguin Cabal}}
This group is for obsessed penguin fanatics, and encourages spamming people's user pages with [[User:Ryulong/CPenguin|a penguin]].<ref>[[User:Ryulong/Penguin Cabal]]</ref>[[Linus Torvalds]] is not a member of this cabal, nor is it anything to do with [[Linux]]. There is no Linux Cabal.

====Saddam Hussein embarrassment cabal====
This group of users aims to make [[Saddam Hussein]] look silly by calling him by his name. Apparently he should instead be referred to by his official presidential title.<ref>[http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-June/033282.html]</ref>

====Sandbox cabal====
This cabal controls the sandbox, forcing edits to "not be offensive" and reverting them eventually anyway. Consists of some humans, but mainly of a bot.

====Sean Whitton cabal====
The [[User:Sean Whitton|Sean Whitton]] cabal intends to add subliminal messages to articles in order to make the world love Sean Whitton. [[AdventureQuest]] users are the most demographically susceptible to the promotion of Sean Whitton. The cabal's influence is unknown, and no one knows to what extent it has polluted young fertile minds. It has been suggested that [[User:Sean Whitton|Sean]] promotes the cabal by existing. Possibly a wannabe-cabal.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AdventureQuest&diff=prev&oldid=85238595 Diff from prev to 85238595 on article AdventureQuest]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AdventureQuest&diff=85242078&oldid=85241839 Vandalism reversion on article AdventureQuest]</ref>

====Sorcerers of St. Jerome====
[[Image:Domenico Ghirlandaio - St Jerome in his study small.jpg|thumb|"Don't mess with me."]]
This evil cabal is dedicated to stifling the free and open sharing of information on Wikipedia. One of their key tactics is to check facts in order to destroy those who oppose them. Members of this cabal are initiated into the secret rites of inter-library loans, access to public databases, how to find library parking, and the use of the magical highlighter pen. Some obsessive members have been known to commit financial suicide by purchasing rare books in order to check a footnote, which accounts for the high rate of attrition of this cabal. Their name comes from [[Jerome|St. Jerome]], patron saint of libraries—paradoxically a disputed position.

====Spanish Inquisition Cabal====
Using the historically effective tactics of the Spanish Inquisition, this cabal sends shivers down the collective spine of every good faith editor at Wikipedia. They are especially versed in the minutia of Wikipedia. No mattter what action an editor takes, the SIC can create a violation of policy. Even [[Jimbo Wales]] fears the arrival of this cabal to an edit war. Of course, nobody expects them.
'''Note:'''CC/red velvet...SIC/red ''velour'''''

====Stalinists against Finland====
This cabal operates in articles related to Finland and the [[World War II]], trying to promote its [[Stalinism|Stalinist]] propaganda against the free western democratic truth. (See [[Talk:Continuation_War/Archive_4]] for methods of operations) The cabal is active also in Russian Wikipedia under the name "Nazi Finns against Russia".

====Team Peerage====
{{mainarticle|Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage}}
This group of users exercise control over Wikipedia's naming conventions in a nefarious effort to ensure the proper presentation of nobles and nobility in articles. Unlike most cabals, Team Peerage operates openly from their headquarters at [[WP:PEER]].<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:William_Cavendish-Bentinck%2C_3rd_Duke_of_Portland&diff=prev&oldid=2797918 Diff from prev to 2797918 on article Talk:William_Cavendish-Bentinck%2C_3rd_Duke_of_Portland]</ref>

====Video Game Cabal====
A cabal of Video Game addicts who can only focus on a single article at any one time. Their [[Impossible Mission]] (a title taken from the video game not the TV show of a similar name) is to promote the articles to GA or FA status and then move on to another single article and repeat the slow, arduous process. The cabal has yet to create a finished product. EVERYONE is welcome... but no-one shows up! They are too busy playing video games, their articles then left to be created by noobs.

====White-collar American cabal====
This cabal, comprising all white male American editors, is particularly opposed to communism. They edit all articles related to communism in order to push their POV. It is unclear how this cabal and the communist cabals can dominate the same articles at the same time, but clearly they do. Unlike the other cabals mentioned here, this one does actually exist. Proof can be found in the ceaseless attempts to correct [[British English]] spellings into US ones, a source of much <s>humour</s> <s>humor</s> <s>humour</s> humor to the English.<ref>[http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2004/9/19/212133/644/32#32/ The little website that couldn't]</ref>

[[Image:WikiTeenLogo.jpg|thumb|right|Join us! Except the people from the Pedophile Cabal!]]

====Wikipedian Greek Chauvinist Junta====
This nefarious gung (spelling intended) is actually a department of the [[Hellenic National Intelligence Service|Greek National Intelligence Service]], hell-bent on optimizing the dark side of Greek history.Their uncanny ability at POV pushing is attributed to the ingenious "3-shift system" that allows them to operate 24 hours a day, while they manage to elude administrators using a dark art known only as the "secret e-mail". Rumors of their relation to a half-alien, superweapon-wielding entity known as the "[[Epsilon Team|Epsilon Group]]" remain unfounded.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise/Archive_4&oldid=98491073/ User talk archive - User:Future Perfect at Sunrise]</ref> ''See also: [[User:AndonicO/Tzatziki Squad|The Tzatziki Squad]]

===Style cabals===
Members of the style cabals are rumored to hang out at [[Wikpedia:Manual of Style]], engaging in complex negotiations that threaten the world's culture.

====The American Idiom Cabal====
(not to be confused with the "American Idiot Cabal") This cabal feels that every article needs a good idiom to make it complete. They "go like clockwork" "out of the pan and into the fire" "without batting an eye" helping to "put one's house in order".

They rarely get "hot under the collar" because their "heart is in the right place". They can clearly "see the handwriting on the wall" and they work hard to "keep it all under one's hat". They do not "keep up with the Jonses" but they make every attempt to "get their foot in the door" by "swimming against the flow". They have an alternate version of their name...it's right "on the tip of my tongue".

====Anti-Long Shortcut Cabal====
This cabal is supposedly against extra long redirects and wishes to move them to shorter titles. On occasion, they may make them longer. Page is [[User:Animum/Anti-long shortcut cabal|here]].

===="CENSOROUS POV BIGOT" Cabal====
This cabal was apparently opposed to editors who liked to write IN CAPITAL LETTERS often. The cabal went underground after Jimbo announced that all ABUSIVE POWER GRABS were scheduled for June, not April.<ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-April/012190.html 2004-April/012190] to WikiEN-l</ref><ref>Mailing list post [http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-April/012241.html 2004-April/012241] to WikiEN-l</ref>

====The e.e.cummings cabal====
A gaggle of editors whose eccentric use of punctuation and grammar is used to "paint a picture". As fans of poet [[E. E. Cummings|e.e.cummings]] their edits show an idiocyncratic way of arranging individual words into longer more confusing sentances and phrases than necesssary to impart understanding from the written page (or in the case of the [[Internet]], from the viewing screen) to the individual reader. They strive to use an [[Impressionism|impressionistic]] style in edits to articles and talk pages. Sadly the impression left is misunderstanding and confusion. Their determination to only use lowercase letters along with a self-styled punctuation pattern can lead to repeated readings of the same passage to ascertain meaning.

====Featured Article Cabal====
This sinister group is dedicated to the disruption of other Wikimedia sites. Their ''[[modus operandi]]'' is to promote frivolous and trivial articles to [[WP:FAC|featured article status]], thereby sending vandals to create more trivial articles at Wiktionary. Somehow.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28policy%29&diff=104913385&oldid=104903003 Diff from 104913385 to 104903003 on article Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28policy%29], with subsequent discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29&oldid=105498878 here]</ref>

====Featured Picture Cabal====
[[Image:Hoverflies mating midair.jpg|thumb|This cabal indulges in secret but "exotic" pornographic fetishes.]]
The Featured Picture cabal promotes randomly selected images to appear on the Main Page. Except they claim that these images must live up to a host of arbitrarily decided upon [[Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria|rules]] to be promoted. Don't buy it. Images of less than 1000 pixels on a side get by all the time.

The FP cabal is very isolationist and invalidates votes made by perfectly good anonymous users. They invalidate logged-in, non-cabal votes by explaining that the newcomer is inexperienced in photography and the image has glaring faults, if only they were smart enough to see them. If you dare oppose a bad image, or vote for a good one, they have contacts in the administrator's cabal. Beware.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/KFP&diff=120624863&oldid=120560083 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/KFP]</ref>

====[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)|In-Universe]] Cabal====
This illusive cabal hides in the shadows, and is believed to be waiting patiently for its turn to rise up and dominate over all its brethren! Little is known about this mysterious cabal except that it is mortal enemies with the Japanophile cabal, and is determined to steal away all their power over Wikipedia by deleting individual character articles, or converting them into useless character lists on the grounds of 'in-universe' perspective.

====Jalepeno Cabal====
A widespead International Cabal with a flavorable spice to add to even the dullest article. Their finesse at discerning just the right amount of "owwwchiwaawaa" is legendary. When working on an article with the Jalepeno Cabal(JC), editors have been heard to comment "......their pleasant optimism make me wanna smack my lips..." Most JC members have a cross-over parallel alliance with the MexiCabal. They have absolutely nothing to do with the recent '''[[2008 United States salmonellosis outbreak]]''' that spread across the U.S. The jalepeno cabal is easily discerned from others; 1)...Wonderful smile...2) huge [[sombrero]]

====Jargon Cabal====
A coalition of WikiEditors that roam WikiWorld, creating WikiBabble (also known as WikiJargon) which is a vocabulary of WikiWords that only WikiJargonCabal members can understand. For instance, if you have just been given WikiInstuctions about something and you are still completely confused, you have just run into a member of the WikiJargonCabal. Showering with vinegar and water should clear your mind.

====labaC Cabal====
This cabal spells everything backwards..sdrawkcab gnihtyreve slleps labac siht It was started by Harry Caray..yaraC trraH yb detrats saw tI Except for its Language Portal, this cabal is completely useless..sselesu yletelpmoc si labac siht ,latroP egaugnaL sti rof tpecxE.

===Editor cabals===
These cabals are collections of like-minded people with broad interests, usually including taking over the world.

====The American Idiot Cabal====
The former name of this cabal was The American SoftHead Cabal. Often under duress due to constant criticism ("Your edits are feeble-minded and irrational") the members of this cabal have joined together to create a united force. Sadly, their act of unifying has merely created a situation where there are more idiots than usual at any single article. Their compelling argument in defense of the cabals absurd and non-sensical edits is the quality of public school education in the United States. To date, no-one has been able to oppose their stand. The Motto of the cabal is "the quality or state of being an idiot is protected by the constitution.

====The [[User:LaraLove/Bathrobe Cabal|Bathrobe]] Cabal====

All candidates must submit a photo of themselves wearing a bathrobe, a cheesy grin and a thumbs up in the picture. Approved alternatives to the "cheesy grin" include: show of tongue stud, a look that says "Your mother," a look that says "I did your mother," the deer in the headlights look, or a look that conveys no emotion whatsoever.

:'''Aims:'''
* Creation of centers for physical love, so-called Mitfickzentralen (literally "fuckpööling centers")
* Cancellation of compulsory education
* Abolition of the [[Police|5-O]]
* Reducing the legal voting (and drinking, and consent!) age to 12. "When was the last time a 12 year-old started an edit-war?"
* Legalization of all drugs while outlawing antibiotics and fluoride
* Re-building the [[Berlin Wall]]
* Fully protecting all user talk pages is a priority
* Enforce 1RR
* Promote IPs to adminship
* Improve [[pwn]] to [[WP:FA|featured article]] status
* Recruit more chicks
* Force all [[Ducks]] to wear [[hat]]s
* Prohibit the use of the terms [[Straw man]] and [[ad hominem]]

The Cabal is semi-[[anarchism|anarchistic]], although there is claim to promote a form of [[direct democracy]]. Proposed laws of the Cabal appear to support activities such as [[drinking]], [[recreational drug]] use, and recreational [[sex]].
:'''- TRANSMISSION ENDS -'''

====Bertie's Cabal====
This elusive group consists of cabalists who are members of [[Russell's Paradox|none]] of the cabals listed on this page.

====The Bizzare Scene Cabal====
{{mainarticle|User:Lighthead/The Bizzare Scene Cabal}}
[[Image:IM Soulclipse.jpg|thumb|300px|"Check it out!" - Bizzare scenes...]]
This cabal is for anyone who is an outsider, be it in the music they listen to, in the clothes they wear, or the people they date. Commercial: "Check it out!"

====The Blind Editors Cabal====
This cabal of sightless wonders has read Everything Ever submitted to WikiPedia. Also known as the Fahrenheit 451 Cabal (after the Ray Bradbury novel) these editors/sysops hope to store ALL of WikiPedia in their individual brains just in case everyone's computers "crash" at the same time. Sometimes known as Inclusionists or Anti-Deletionists.

====The Catapult Cabal====
A group of thrill-seeking editors who, after strenuous edit warring, enjoyed being launched into the night sky via huge Medieval siege weapons. The Cabal was recently discontinued due to increasing membership fatalities when the participants failed to land...anywhere!

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====The I Refuse To Admit I'm Wrong Cabal====
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:Nine for the [[WP:WikiFallen|WikiFallen]] doomed to die,
:One for the Dark [[WP:TINC|TINC]] on his dark throne
:In the land of Wiki where the shadows lie.
:One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
:One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
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[[Image:The Regret Tenenbaum Seal of Approval.png|thumb|right|Beware...EVEN MORE!]]

Goals:
*Undermine other cabals (especially the Bathrobe Cabal).
*Dance like an idiot.
*Be useless.
*Add <nowiki>{{User:Regret Tenenbaum/Mark of Doom}}</nowiki> to various pages. See example above.

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# Most of the members of this cabal are unknowingly members of the [[Association of Structurist Wikipedians]].

====The Trenchcoat Cabal====
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* dues paying members in good "standing" may wear leather trenchcoats,
* black socks are optional for administrators,
* "cod pieces" are strictly forbidden.

====Uncyclopedia cabal====
This is the reason [[Uncyclopedia]] exists, the freaks!

====The Cabal of Spontaneity====
A shadowy cabal whose actions are rarely seen, but always, in the end, heard.

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A relentless 9 member cabal that is as vague as its constitution. With unlimited jurisdiction, it dispenses with the encumbrance of [[fact]] or [[truth]] in its pursuit of mendacity. Any and all punishments it decrees are final. It can and often does proceed on rumors alone and does not require evidence of any kind in order to determine a final outcome. It meets bi-monthly in the Penthouse of Jimbo Towers in a suburb of Naples, Florida.
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====Esperanza Cabal====
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A Wikipedia domination project based on friendliness (they make you offers so gently that you can't refuse). Has gone into hiding after exposure.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FRobertG&diff=23799792&oldid=23794733 Diff from 23799792 to 23794733 on article Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FRobertG]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARedwolf24&diff=22579140&oldid=22578302 Esperanza Cabal]</ref>

====The Lazy Editors Cabal====
The Lazy Editors' may not actually be editors at all. This cabal includes the experts of the world who, for one reason or another, refuse to utilize their knowledge for the benefit of Wikipedia.

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This "elitist clique of 26 users who won't let anyone else edit 'their page' or join their IRC channel" mercilessly <s>terrorize</s> terrorized and <s>taunt</s> taunted the other 4.9 million Wikipedians [until toppled by the masses in July 2007].<ref>MfD Request <s>to Crush</s> Which Crushed SLG [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:R/Single_Letter_Group&diff=prev&oldid=145143377]</ref>

====The Never Finishes an Article Cabal====
A cabal with more than a bazillion lazy, less than completely active "members" (you can call them that - we don't), this cabal exists Wiki-wide to generate article stumps that then languish, unfinished, for generations. Cabal favorite subjects include text messaging, petty larceny, US villages, uncorporeal beings, insects, small pieces of stuff and unhappiness. The cabal insists on leaving their stumps unlinked and generally include deliberate typos, unfished senten

====The Unknown Cabal====
Although it is not known whether this cabal exists or not, this section stands as a placeholder for all the cabals yet to be discovered (or spontaneously created by bored intellectuals). This cabal is in keeping with the ancient tradition of the Athenians, who maintained an altar to the "[[Unknown God]]".

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Music examination

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'''Music examinations''' are a method of formally assessing the accomplishments of pupils learning [[musical instruments]].

Although there are music [[examination]]s available to [[school]] and [[university]] students alongside other regular qualifications and assessments, there are also a number of independent bodies who solely provide assessment in musical ability which are open to all.

Most students who enter these exams have taken a course of [[music lesson]]s with a private tutor. Often this is a way for children to receive music training over and above what is provided at their usual place of learning, although private lessons are also popular with adults who turn to music later in life.

Music exams are set in both [[music theory|theory]] and practical aspects. The theory examinations are taken by pupils of all instruments and typically cover areas such as [[musical notation]], construction of [[major scale|scales]] and [[musical composition|composition]].

The practical exams concentrate on the particular instrument favoured by the pupil, for example [[piano]], [[guitar]] or [[flute]]. They cover elements such as playing set pieces, [[Musical scale|scales]], [[sight reading]], aural.

In the [[United Kingdom]] the music exams are graded from 1 to 8, with grade 1 being the entry level, and grade 8 being the standard required for entry to higher study in a music college. The biggest [[examination board]] is the [[Associated Board of the Royal Schools of Music]]. The other examination boards are [[Trinity Guildhall]] (formerly [[Guildhall School of Music and Drama|Guildhall]] and [[Trinity College of Music|Trinity]], which merged in 2007); [[London College of Music Examinations]]; [[Victoria College of Music, London]] ;and the [[National College of Music]] London.

Other reputable music examination boards offering examinations on musical instruments and music theory include:-

*[[Australian Music Examinations Board]] ([http://www.ameb.edu.au/site/index.cfm www.ameb.edu.au])

*New Zealand Music Examinations Board ([http://www.nzmeb.org/ www.nzmeb.org])

*[[The Royal Conservatory of Music]], Canada ([http://www.rcmexaminations.org/ www.rcmexaminations.org])

*[[University of South Africa]] - Directorate Music ([http://www.unisa.ac.za/Default.asp?Cmd=ViewContent&ContentID=2049 www.unisa.ac.za])

*Vienna Music Examination Board (''Wiener Musik-Prüfungskommission'') ([http://www.vmeb.org/ www.vmeb.org])

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Talk:HO scale

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== Power supply ===

Does anyone know how to calculate power supply requirements for HO scale model racing and train layouts. I am interested in designing an Ho train/slot car racing layout and would like to purchase the right power supplies for the application.
GER

''someone could add a section on this''

== HO OO Compatibility ==

I came to this page to try to find out if and how these two gauges are compatiible. May I suggest some content on this issue? [[User:Tatty|Tatty]] 02:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::How do you mean ''compatible''? The trains use the same track, but the scales are different, and you wouldn't want to assemble a train with some cars in OO, and others in HO, if that's what you mean. Even if you could get the couplers to mate, the OO cars would look too big, and the HO cars too small. If you're talking about accessories like figures, buildings, and road vehicles, that depends on how much you care about scale accuracy. --[[User:Badger151|Badger151]] ([[User talk:Badger151|talk]]) 07:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Improvments ==

We need a table of Contents like the other model pages have. 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up the article some. In the histoy section was a lot of information on controls and DC and DCC, so I put that under the "Control" section and added some outside links. Please help expand the links, I only know a few sites. --[[User:William Grimes|''Billy Rules'']] 14:48, 26 November 2006

== Scale Standards ==

The page is somewhat confusing since it does not make a difference between HO as defined by NMRA and MOROP-standardized H0 which are strictly speaking not identical. For instance, HOe and HOm should read H0e and H0m since they are narrow gauge scales defined in NEM standards and new uses H0 (zero) and not HO.
 [[User:Z220info|Z220info]] 23:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== This page is severely lacking ==

Compared to [[N scale]], this article is lagging behind. Its current focus js rather UK-centric and makes no mention of the substantial German and US communities, even though in both countries it is the single most popular scale. Several paragraphs also require the attention of copyeditors and experts on the topic. --[[User:Agamemnon2|Agamemnon2]] 23:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
:Without debating the merit of your argument, your cleanup-rewrite template adition — and the snide remark included with it — is in no way helpful and even borderline vandalism. If you feel the article is so terribly deficient, I suggest you jump right in and improve it yourself. [[User:Realkyhick|Realkyhick]] 07:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

::I haven't the expertise or the knowledge to rewrite the page. My hamfisted attempts at rewrites would merely make the whole thing worse. There are far too many pages on Wikipedia already that have been ruined by well-meaning fools, and I have no inclination to add to that number.

As for the snideness... Cope. --[[User:Agamemnon2|Agamemnon2]] 10:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The section on curved track is really good, but I think it is rather a lot for this type of page and would be better in a beginners guide to HO scale. could this section be cleaned up a bit or is it all needed? --[[User:William Grimes|Billy Rules]] 18:35, 14 February 2007

== HO and scale ==

The use of the word 'scale' to mean gauge is a severe and systematic technical error.
Though HO is commonly connected to 1:87 scale models (over HO gauge wheels) gauge and scale are not interchangeable concepts.
It seems railroad pages conscientiously add to the popular confusion. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/93.102.78.248|93.102.78.248]] ([[User talk:93.102.78.248|talk]]) 15:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC) 

== Manufacturers' Section ==

I have added several names, and divided the list into current and historical (no longer active in HO) manufacturers.

There are some issues to be resolved about the Manufacturers List:

1- SIGNIFICANCE - How significant does a company have to be to be included. There are thousands of small manufacturers. I notice two have added their names, links, and a bit of sell-copy to the list. I'm new to this article, so I don't want to make any big changes myself before getting a feel for the conventions, but I think these links ought to be deleted or at least shifted down to external links and the marketing copy blasted to a fare-thee-well. Wikipedia is not an ad-board.

2- ACCESSORIES ONLY? - Should manufacturers of accessories only, but no actual railroad equipment, such as Vollmer, Scale Structures Limited, Campbell, DPM, (all buildings, building kits, and accessories) be included? How about scenery outfits like Woodland Scenics?

3- BRASS - There have been many limited-run importers of brass locomotives. Should all these be included? How about the manufacturers, such as Samhongsa?

4- SUMMARIES - Should there be short, neutral summaries of the companies' main achievements? Such as: "Mantua - Early manufacturers of die-cast locomotives and a pioneer of mass-market plastic car kits." This leaves a lot out, but it is the best remembered part of Mantua, and these things shouldn't be more than one line or so, if they're needed at all.

[[User:D.Helber|D.Helber]] 14:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

== Number 0 versus letter O ==

I propose we move this article to the original and correct notation H0 scale, with HO scale/gauge as redirects. H0 (half-0) like the 0 and 00 standards is a progression from the older 3, 2 and 1 scale standards. I have already corrected the article text to use 0 notation, keeping it consistent with the [[0 scale]] article. See also [[Talk:O_scale]] [[User:WinTakeAll|WinTakeAll]] ([[User talk:WinTakeAll|talk]]) 04:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

--

That flies in the face of usage. It may have started as a zero but it's clearly the letter O nowadays as a quick Google search will prove. "H0 Scale" (letter, number) gets about 29K hits. "HO Scale" (two letters) gets about 3.6 million. The history of the term is certainly of interest but I do not believe Wikipedia should be using a non standard usage just because it was original nor should it be trying to push a usage which has been rejected/superceded by the public. Maybe if someone can cite a majority of manufacturers, hobbyist publications, and so forth offering or discussing H-Zero models but you know that isn't going to happen. H-Oh please. The public has spoken.[[User:Filmteknik|Filmteknik]] ([[User talk:Filmteknik|talk]]) 04:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:The correct name is "H0" or "half zero"; Google only shows that most people do it ''wrong''. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 13:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::I have checked a dozen of catalogues (Märklin, Roco, Fleischmann, Koll) and books about model railroads, and they ''all'' write '''H0'''. Of course. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 13:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
So... Can I correct the whole page so that it is correct? ([[User:Mandibela|Mandibela]] ([[User talk:Mandibela|talk]]) 09:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC))
:Yes, please ! :-) - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 00:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:: No, don't. To say the people (including those standard bearers like Kalmbach) are all doing it wrong is to ignore the way language and usage evolves over time. If you are going insist on H0 then please go rewrite the Wiki articles on C, D and other batteries (sic) because technically only 6V, 9V, 12V, etc. batteries containing a group of individual cells qualifies as a "battery." The usage evolved to where it is acceptable to refer to a single cell as a battery. Wikipedia recognizes this and I formally cite this precedent that popular usage should apply and the Wikipedia should not bury its head in the sand. Oh and BTW, if you go to the Märklin site there is ample HO usage. The main page link is H0 but follow the link and you see HO. [[User:Filmteknik|Filmteknik]] ([[User talk:Filmteknik|talk]]) 16:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::: YES!!!! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.238.187.116|68.238.187.116]] ([[User talk:68.238.187.116|talk]]) 04:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC) 

this is stupid. the entire world knows it as alpha-alpha HO. Even the text herein says that pronunciation is Aitch-oh, not "aitch-zero" or even "half-zero". Point is today and for the foreseeable future, it is PRONOUNCED "aitch-oh" so we should SPELL it HO. Mention the legacy in the article and note the evolution to alpha-alpha, that actually adds some value to the article. But don't perpetuate arcane and obsolete terminology for reasons of a neurotic personal disorder, it appears juvenile and immature; model railroaders have enough social stigma to worry about without adding more logs to the fire. [[User:KLWhitehead|Ken]] ([[User talk:KLWhitehead|talk]]) 19:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, I've been going to train stores and trains shows since I was a kid and I've never seen H0 outside of Wiki. Note that the article on O scale actually lists it as alpha O ("0 scale" redirects) so this page should do the same. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 08:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 

As a stopgap measure I'm reverting Erik Baas's edits. The "correct" name for HO scale, as defined by the experts, is H alpha-O in the US and Canada (per [[NMRA]]) and H number-0 in Europe (per the [[NEM]]). Common usage in the U.S. is entirely HO, while in Europe it varies by manufacturer and location.

Since this is the English Wikipedia, English conventions take precedence; this presents a problem wherever British and American conventions conflict. This has lead to more than a few transatlantic edit wars, of which the HO/H0 differentiation is but one. It helps to look at the numbers; Canada and the US share a common model railroad market of 340 million inhabitants, with standards outlined by the NMRA. The UK market is about 1/4 this size, at 85 million.

Including English-speaking Commonwealth countries outside the US significantly affects this ratio, so it is useful to look at these countries' individual practices. A cursory look at Australian manufacturers (link: http://www.modeltrainsnthings.com/australian-model-train-links/ho-gauge.html) reveals that they almost all use the term HO scale. Data for South Africa is more scarce, but the website for the Pretoria Model Train Club likewise spells it H-alpha-O (http://www.railserve.com/jump/jump.cgi?ID=13537).

Additionally, a cursory review of Google search results shows that modelers in these countries prefer US and Canadian prototypes over British ones, a fact compounded by the fact that most British outline models are in OO gauge.

Finally, while the "H0" and "0" nomenclature is compatible with the mostly obsolete 1, 2, and 3 scales, "HO" and "O" are more appropriate when one considers that almost all model railroad gauges in common use use alpha characters (i.e. Z, N, TT, S, G, etc)

Thus while H0 is technically correct in Britain, HO is correct in the much-larger North American market and predominates throughout the rest of the English-speaking world. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 09:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC) 

Also: changing "most of the world" line. The most popular scales in Japan and many non-anglo countries (i.e., France, Switzerland) are N and Z, and Germany is about evenly split between H0 and TT. In truth, HO's predominance only extends to the rest of the English-speaking world.

:'''"The name is derived from the fact that its 1:87 scale is approximately half that of 0 (zero) scale, hence H0. 0 scale in turn was named following the older and larger 1, 2, and 3 scales."''' - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Erik, interesting historical tidbits do not take precedence over the authority of standards-bodies like the [[NMRA]] and overwhelming common usage by both manufacturers and modelers across the English-speaking world. Bolding them doesn't change that fact. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 12:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC) 

:"Interesting historical tidbits" ? Do you even know what the word ''fact'' means ? - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 14:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Why yes, as a matter of fact I do, and it's a ''fact'' that the [[NMRA]] and the overwhelming majority of modelers agree that it's "HO Scale." Hence my continued undoing of your undoings. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 03:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC) 

After reading this article's arguments, I find overwhelming evidence suggesting that "aitch oh" is the intended pronunciation and therefore the correct spelling: HO. I also propose we change 5-0 to 5-O, 90210 to 9O21O, etc. [[User:Sobeita|Sobeita]] ([[User talk:Sobeita|talk]]) 06:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with 68.90.45.10 here. If the NMRA says that it's HO, it's HO. It may have once been correct to refer to it as H0, but currently, the majority use HO, and Wikipedia should go with that. --[[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 04:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

:You can't change a ''name'' just because a lot of people ''pronounce'' it the wrong way: the scale is called "H0", the only problem is that this "0" is ''pronounced'' "O" by some ''English'' speakers (and nobody else !); also see [[:de:Nenngröße_H0]] ! - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 13:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Erik, this is the English Wikipedia. It exists by and for English speakers. How the German Wikipedia spells it is immaterial; I'm not going on there and changing their article title to "HO" just because that's what's correct in the US/Canada/Australia. Cultural differences are GOOD. Diversity is GOOD. And in the US, Canada, and a majority of the English-speaking world, it's H-alpha-O, as defined by both common usage *and* the rulemakers (i.e. [[NMRA]]). —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 13:32, 30 January 2009 (UTC) 
:::So, according to you, we now have scales 3, 2, 1, 0 and HO ? Rediculous... - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 14:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC) P.S.: Please sign your somments wirh four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); thank you.
::::Well, no, actually, per [[NMRA]] standards [[O scale]] is also spelled with an alpha O. So you've got HO, O, OO, and [[1 gauge]]. 2 and 3 are defunct.[[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 14:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC) See [http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/pdf/S-3_2.pdf]

:Since the page at [[HO scale]] has been protected following mine and Erik Baas's edit warring, I'm going to be transferring the content revisions I had made to "HO" to this version. Over time I also want to try to split the [http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7186/googlehorn1.png NMRA/MOROP definitions] (for narrow gauges and the like), since as it's been pointed out they are not explicitly identical. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 11:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC) 
::If that means you're going to change all instances of "H0" to "HO": don't. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Where the article is referring to specific models or publications which spell it HO I will spell it accordingly. For instance, Walthers does not have an "H0" catalog, nor does KATO make "H0" Unitrack. However, I will not change *every instance* to HO. On the same token, if you think a particular instance of "HO" should be "H0," please change that particular instance rather than reverting my entire edit, as you did with the "availability" section. [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 15:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::::ALSO: Seeing as how the article is presently hosted at H0, I don't see why the history of how HO's evolution from 3, 2, and 1 scales belongs in the first paragraph. It's history... it belongs in the history section... which is still the second paragraph. [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 15:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Useful for future reference: mine and Erik Baas's discussion on [[User_talk:Malinaccier#HO.2FH0_scale_dispute|Malinaccier's talk page]] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.90.45.10|68.90.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.90.45.10|talk]]) 11:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC) 
::::::Permalink: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malinaccier&oldid=269417507#HO.2FH0_scale_dispute]. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Who is this Erik bozo who is so intent on forcing a usage with is completely at odds with how the term is used in most of the countries where this gauge is popular? And why...just because the term started a certain way? So just because of that, that makes it more correct? Someone needs a lesson in how language evolves. The term has changed; it's as simple as that. I've never seen someone so singlemindedly childish.[[Special:Contributions/68.164.11.153|68.164.11.153]] ([[User talk:68.164.11.153|talk]]) 04:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry zero-fans, you lose on this one. I have an early 1980s Hornby OO set and a 1960s Jouef set, both have the O printed as a letter, not to mention they are European. My US and Australian stock also read HO scale, as does my early 1990s Lima catalogue. They don't call OO 'dublo' in England for nothing. [[Special:Contributions/123.243.99.227|123.243.99.227]] ([[User talk:123.243.99.227|talk]]) 22:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:If it was to go to a vote, I'd go for HO - I don't think I've ever seen numbers involved until I came to this article. Same goes for O scale - I've only seen the letter, not the number. The history is interesting, and worthy of mention ''in'' the article, but if most English speakers use the letter then the language and the term has moved on - so should we, as an encyclopedia. Finally, since the article was started with the letter, I'd say that moving it to a number without following formal procedure was improper. --[[User:Badger151|Badger151]] ([[User talk:Badger151|talk]]) 04:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'd also have to vote for alpha-alpha HO. This argument seems to have been going on for some time and the only detractor seems to be the ever readt-to-revert [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]]. Fairly certain that a consensus has been reached in favor of going to Alpha-Alpha with a note about the origin of the term. If it is deemed necessary, we can put this up to an official vote, get a third party opinion, or both. I really think it's time this war ended. [[User:Lost on belmont|Lost on Belmont]] ([[User talk:Lost on belmont|talk]]) 04:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Please read - and try to ''understand'' - the article again: the ''name'' is '''H0''', and has always been. Quote:
<pre>
The name H0 is derived from the fact that its 1:87 scale is
approximately half that of 0 (zero) scale, hence H0.
</pre>
:::The fact that lots of people ''spell'' it the wrong way is no reason to change the article's title in this '''encyclopedia'''. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::::My (and I assume that this goes for most of the editors here) comprehension if the situation is perfectly clear. It is yours that appears to be flawed. You seem to have forgotten that what ''was'' and what ''is'' are two separate situations. Your argument is the same as arguing that if a word is a Latin derivative, then it is still a Latin word and should be spelled the same. Do not continue to attempt to force your ideas by implying that anyone of a differing opinion is of lower intelligence. [[User:Lost on belmont|Lost on Belmont]] ([[User talk:Lost on belmont|talk]]) 15:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Erik made a rebuttal. It's your turn. Don't dig for implications and motives, just respond to the point. [[User:Sobeita|Sobeita]] ([[User talk:Sobeita|talk]]) 06:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
:Mr Baas, I understand your argument. There's no need to be rude. Where I disagree is over the relevance of your argument. 0 Scale is equally foreign to me - I've known it as O scale. I used to read ''Model Railroader'' magazine in the late eighties/early nineties - I don't recall them ever mentioning 0 scale, though they had a lot to say about O scale. And aside from here, anytime I've read or heard about the history of the term ''HO'', it's always been "half of O scale", not "half of 0 scale". So, I guess I'm not convinced on the validity of your argument, either.
:The history, assuming it to be correct, is interesting, but if most English speakers are writing ''HO'', then I think we're obliged to follow them. Our job as an encyclopedia is to describe the world as it is, in as neutral a tone as possible, to enable people to better understand the world as it is - not the world as we might like it to be, or the world as it was. --[[User:Badger151|Badger151]] ([[User talk:Badger151|talk]]) 18:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
::Our job is to be accurate as well, not perpetuate errors. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 20:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I must agree with Bermicourt. The majority of the world believed the world was flat 3000 years ago. Just because that was the tradition does not make it right. H0 makes much more sense, considering both its derivation and its taxonomy. Wikipedia even has a page dedicated to common mis-conceptions. So why have the wrong thing here? -21:21, 27 March 2011 (PST)

An interesting discussion, or perhaps a hornet's nest. I think the biggest confusion comes from the fact that, at least in the USA, the letter 'O' is often substituted for the digit '0', for example in telephone numbers. It's still a digit (try pressing the 6MNO key instead of a zero and you'll be disappointed), but pronounced as an 'O', for whatever reason.
Another issue is that the article is called 'h0' scale (yes, it's actually a lower case 'h', just to make things a bit more complex), and that 'HO scale' gets redirected to it. And yes, there are scales 0, 1 and 2, even to this day... but scales 1 and 2 are written in Roman numerals, I and II respectively. So what's the Roman numeral for 0? Um...

Comments like "everybody uses HO, and there are more people living in the US than elsewhere" are, quite frankly, irrelevant, not to mention "I've never seen it spelt differently". Everybody in the Anglophone world says "Krakatoa", even though the volcano is called "Krakatau" or "Krakatao": it's an error in translation. Everybody in the US says "aluminum", even though the scientific name is "aluminium", also the word used by the 6.7 billion non-US citizens. Also, I'd hazard a guess that many people, like I, use the English-language Wikipedia because it has the most information and best written articles. So you're not only writing for the USA and the UK, plus the other countries throughout the world that have English as an official language. (Which are quite a few, given the British success in introducing afternoon tea and driving on the left throughout the world.)

The fact that N, TT and Z scales use letters is also irrelevant, because they are relatively new. They have an entirely different etymology.

So, finally, what is the wise thing to do? I'd say, decide on one, and use it throughout the article. And make sure that the one you don't use redirects to the one that you do use. Just keep two things in mind:
1. 'HO' is not really used outside the US, except by people who don't know the 'correct' phrase.
2. Given the disproportionally large percentage of people on the autistic spectrum that like model trains, you're likely to see more discussions about the 'correct' phrase to use, if it's been defined somewhere in the early 20th century as being 'h0'.

Just my €0.02 worth. [[User:SeverityOne|SeverityOne]] ([[User talk:SeverityOne|talk]]) 21:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:To your first point, see my research below in the move proposal. turns out "HO" is used around the world, and indeed, may be more common than H0.

:I'm confused by your claim of this page being at "h0". Looks capitalized to me. Of what do you speak?[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 22:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

::Your research simply tracked down manufacturers that support you point of view. "HO" is hardly ever used in the many countries of Europe where it is the most popular scale and where it was invented. The main problem here is that the US, where H0 has been widely adopted refers in practice to this scale as "HO" whereas in Europe it is "H0". Which ever way we go, we are going to disappoint someone. It's a pity Wiki software isn't clever enough to display US or non-US terminology as specified by the user, especially in titles. BTW it's clear that SeverityOne made a typo - he means "H0". --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 07:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, my research was specifically centered around finding bodies and clubs, not manufacturers. And for the most part I searched without "HO" or "H0" in the string, to avoid biasing the results. All I searched for, for example, is "Australia model train".
:::"yes, it's actually a lower case 'h', just to make things a bit more complex" - this was the line I was looking at. Yes, he does say it's at a lowercase "h"; it's not a typo.[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 19:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

This whole debate is because Americans pronounce the 0 as an O and thus type it that way and thus believe it is the right way? Before the internet I've never even seen the HO notation, because it does not make sense. And now it has to be HO because America is bigger than Great Britain? Wasn't Wikipedia supposed to be a encyclopedia for the major public, improved by ones who know best? That way, making the best information available for the public? Because if goes through, it will be the public telling the public what they think is right, which will make Wikipedia never useful for serious research, because every information from Wikipedia will be noted as: "This is what the majority of people believe!". And thus it's true?
Please make it H0 and as a first line you may enter: In America pronounced and written as HO. That way, the whole world can be happy and Americans get a little history lesson. Other option: make it HO and as a first line explain that Americans uses an O for a 0 and that in the American eyes it now has evolved into HO, however the rest of the world with no American import still uses H0 because they do NOT pronounce the O as a 0 and therefore still uses the H0 notation. That way Americans can be happy and the whole world can have jet another little laugh about Americans. [[Special:Contributions/195.169.227.2|195.169.227.2]] ([[User talk:195.169.227.2|talk]]) 08:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

:Well, since pronunciation generally adapts over time to account for the way that the general public has chosen to pronounce things (eg most of the world pronounces the g in Los Angeles, instead of calling it Los An"h"eles as it was originally intended to be pronounced. And have you heard anyone call it "Detwah, Michigan?" Because that's the original pronunciation of Detroit), using "what the majority of people believe" isn't necessarily the wrong way to approach the problem. Especially since, as mentioned many times on this discussion page, it's not only the US that uses the "new" pronunciation, but also Canadian, Australian, and various European manufacturers. Also, when you're insulting Americans for not pronouncing or spelling a naming convention correctly, you should try to avoid having typos and grammatical errors littered throughout your remarks. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.177.166.43|71.177.166.43]] ([[User talk:71.177.166.43|talk]]) 10:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC) 

===From the NMRA===
I have been in touch with the NMRA historian's office on this issue. As far as they can tell their standards have used "HO" (that is, the letter) from the very beginning. I am awaiting a citation from them in support of the matter, but here is Brent Lambert (Library Manager, Kalmbach Memorial Library) in reply to my query: "''It is my understanding that the NMRA has always referred to the scale as H-letter-O, because the scale was roughly "half the size of O scale." The association's earliest standards refer to it as H-letter-O as opposed to H-zero, so those standards could be used as source material.''" [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 22:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You realize you are arguing about if whether it's "H and a circle" or "H and a circle"?. The reason "oh" is used for zeroes sometimes is that it's visually the same symbol. The only difference is that in most (but not all) computer font the zero is usually as wide as other numbers while the letter is slightly wider. Before standardized fonts, 0 and O were the same symbol, sometimes it was a letter and sometimes a number depending on context. Thus this may always have been both HO and H0 from the beginning and both are correct, since both are an "H and a circle". (Imho: Visually HO is more pleasing since the letter width is more similar, technically/historically H0 is more correct since the O in this case refers to the number zero.) [[User:Qvasi|Qvasi]] ([[User talk:Qvasi|talk]]) 07:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a n00b, but I can't help but having an opinion. Both sides have very strong cases.
Clearly, when 0 scale was invented it was 0 scale(pronounced 'oh' scale, but written/meant with a 'zero' in mind), but then in the English speaking world it was quickly adopted it as a letter probably because there was little reference to it as a number and through ignorance of the manufacturers naming conventions and assumption. So people spoke about the 'oh' scale, and whoever didn't know it was actually a 'zero', assumed it was an 'O'. So it became O scale, and everybody knew what each other meant because it's written and pronounced exactly the same and without much conflict. And official bodies and clubs etc, (all made up of the people above) used it as such and defined it as such, so by the time that H0 came out, it was auto-translated from the German H0 to the English HO, without H0 barely making an appearance in English. I agree that HO should be HO, the truth should be in the etymology section. unfortunately.
again, I'm a n00b and i'll probably never return here to read the responses, just my 2 cents[[Special:Contributions/221.127.90.70|221.127.90.70]] ([[User talk:221.127.90.70|talk]]) 07:59, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

only idiots pronounce the number zero by saying the letter O. Just because there's a lot of idiots doesn't make them right. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Brentstrahan|Brentstrahan]] ([[User talk:Brentstrahan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Brentstrahan|contribs]]) 08:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC) 
:To call people idiots because they use colloquial speech just shows your stupidity. People say "oh" instead of "zero" in phone numbers (as an example) because its faster and everyone knows what you mean. Actually, that's probably how we got from H0 to HO. Some editor mis-heard it from a while back and now its been passed on for generations. -- [[User:Suso|Suso]] ([[User talk:Suso|talk]]) 13:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I guess that all Canadians, including the people who invented electric streetcars, caulking guns, snowblowers, the robertson screw, the goalie mask, the lawn sprinkler, odometers, the pacemaker, sonar, plexiglass, insulin, the telephone, poutine, and the canadarm, are "idiots". How about we debate the issue and not make personal attacks? Americans and Canadians call it HO. They call it HO whether it is supposed to be HO or H0. In the US and Canada, it is HO. Clearly, outside this part of the world, it is called H0, and it is supposed to be H0. If it WAS H0 in Canada and the US it is NO LONGER H0, it is HO, however the fact that it ONCE WAS H0 does matter. The page should stay H0, and a note should be added that some people call it HO. [[User:Nickjbor|Nickjbor]] ([[User talk:Nickjbor|talk]]) 09:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

This discussion was totally unnecessary. The standard was invented in Germany and called "H-null" (where null is zero in German) ever since and I've never heard or seen it otherwise anywhere in Europe either from fans or manufacturers. The "Derivation" paragraph pretty much sums that up in the article, so please, somebody go ahead and change the remaining HO's to H0's. [[Special:Contributions/77.10.8.32|77.10.8.32]] ([[User talk:77.10.8.32|talk]]) 09:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

:The title of an entry must reflect the most accurate and "official" naming of the thing the article's talking about. You call it [[People's Republic of China]], not just [[China]]. (Yes, I wrote this because I have read today's xkcd comic @ [http://xkcd.com/878/]. In case you were wondering why all these folks landed on here today. LOL) --[[User:MauroVan|MauroVan]] ([[User talk:MauroVan|talk]]) 09:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
:::'''It is L0L''' ([[Special:Contributions/95.115.166.94|95.115.166.94]] ([[User talk:95.115.166.94|talk]]) 16:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC))

::This is not just about pronunciation. The 2 leading model railway/railroad bodies also differ: NEM (Europe) uses H0 and NMRA (US) calls it HO. So it is not straightforward. Because the standard originated as H0 and is still called that by one of the 2 leading bodies, I favour H0 as the title, but with a full acknowledgement in the text that a significant part of the world and the model railway/railroad community legitimately call it HO. Indeed, it seems entirely reasonable to me to use HO whenever referring to specific US and Canadian modelling. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 11:02, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how you say it. For example, James Bond is also know as "double-oh seven". But, the "oh"s are digits. In the UK, at least, when reading phone numbers, one rarely says "zero", it's usually pronounced "oh". See, for example, the wikipedia entry on "Zero". Do you remember "Hawaii five-0"? That's 5-0 for 50, the 50th state of the US, notwithstanding errors on soundtrack albums. So, if pronunciation doesn't matter, does the spelling? Not really, since 0 and O look similar enough in any of the relevant point-of-sale material, and there is no confusion caused. This debate is entirely a matter of choosing a stylistic convention for wikipedia. I'd plump for the original H0 on that basis, since it's explicable without resorting to "at some point we chose to formalise this error of understanding". —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/139.184.30.134|139.184.30.134]] ([[User talk:139.184.30.134|talk]]) 13:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC) 

Seriously, you guys REALLY care whether it is an 0 or O? Get over it. You know what it is regardless of whether it is a 0 or an O. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/152.1.167.17|152.1.167.17]] ([[User talk:152.1.167.17|talk]]) 13:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC) 

:"This debate is entirely a matter of choosing a stylistic convention for wikipedia." Of course it is!! This is why it's important in this context. --[[User:MauroVan|MauroVan]] ([[User talk:MauroVan|talk]]) 14:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay - a suggestion from someone completely new to the topic: Clearly the two terms are now interchangeable. How about simply stating that fact in the main article. Perhaps acknowledge that H0 is the original form (stating why) but that HO is more commonly used. As the more commonly used version of two interchangable terms (and therefore the mostly likely term to be searched) use HO for the page titles and H0 for he redirect. ([[Special:Contributions/145.62.32.129|145.62.32.129]] ([[User talk:145.62.32.129|talk]]) 15:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC))

== Refs ==

I'm slowly working my way through the article adding references. Thus far, I've run into two problems that I could use some help on. First, I can't read Japanese, nor do I know what the web address extension is for Japanese sites, so I don't think I'll be able to find a citation for Japan. Can someone else help here? Second, is there an official site in Australia, similar to the NEM and NMRA in Europe and the US? All I've been been able to find in the au domain are commercial sites. I've used on of those for the moment, but I'm not happy with it for long term. --[[User:Badger151|Badger151]] ([[User talk:Badger151|talk]]) 21:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Compatible and interchangeable? ==

Are '''tracks''' from all manufacturers compatible/interchangeable? In a way that I can buy different ones and they fit together?

Are all '''trains''' compatible and interchangeable, with the same voltage and current, etc?

Are all '''accessories''' compatible and interchangeable? Lights? branches? controllers?

THANKS -- [[User:MichaelJanich|Michael Janich]] ([[User talk:MichaelJanich|talk]]) 03:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

:No, no and no. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 02:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

::It depends. Here's a brief summary:
::At H0 gauge, the track is all the same width but there may be height differences and they will not generally fit together. However you can certainly use locomotives and wagons from different manufacturers on the track of another manufacturer, provided you note the following:
::*Märklin use a 3-rail system that requires locos with a Märklin-compatible motor. Several manufacturers have locos with a Märklin variant. Wagons need to have their wheelsets exchanged.
::*The normal 2-rail system is good for both DC locos and digital locos, you just need to match the controllers to your locos, DC or digital. There is a digital standard, DCC, but watch out for manufacturers with their own incompatible system.
::*Many of the accessories are interchangeable. I use power packs from different manufacturers (but they need to be the same "type": DC or digital). Lights just need AC power - all controllers have that.
:: HTH. But talk to a good dealer or get a magazine before you buy! --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 05:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Formally requesting move ==
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;">
:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a [[WP:RM|requested move]]. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''no consensus'''. [[User talk:harej|'''harej''']] 02:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

----

[[H0 scale]] → {{no redirect|1=HO scale}} — Given the discussion above, I think there is a much better case for HO rather than H0 even if the latter has some historical precedent. A similar discussion for [[O scale]] (see [[Talk:O scale#Naming Conventions (zero or Oh)|here]] resulted in the decision to go with the letter rather than the digit. I would do the move but the proposed name is occupied by a redirect. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 20:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:[[Talk:HO scale|Old Conversation on the same subject]].--[[User talk:intelati|Talktome]]([[User:intelati|Intelati]]) 20:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
: What a load of utterly typical ignorant wikibollocks 8-( I particularly liked:
:: ''"Interesting historical tidbits" ? Do you even know what the word fact means ? ''
: We have redirects to deal with issues like this. H0 (digit) is correct, for the original use, its inventor's use, and half of the current use. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 21:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' then, is what you seem to be saying? (If not, Andy, please delete this comment).--[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 12:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. HO, with the letter is far more common. The origin in the letter/number combo is certainly needed for mention, but has been supplanted, reflecting the other modern lettered standards. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 22:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. "HO" is simply wrong. The gauge may called "HO" ("aitch-oh") in English but that is simply loose usage. In Germany (noting that it is a continental gauge) it is referred to as "Hah-null", which means "H zero" or "H nought", and their literature always refers to it as "H0", e.g. in ''Modellbahn Daten + Normen'' ("Model Railway Data and Standards") by Albrecht published by Alba. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 06:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not really interested in German usage; they can spell and pronounce it as they please. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 10:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::But they ''created'' it !! - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. This is English Wikipedia, and in English it's always pronounced "aitch oh", never "aitch zero". [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 09:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes but we English speakers often pronounce zero as "oh" as in [[Room 101]]! --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 12:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::But we don't spell it that way. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's my point! So why move the title? --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''': It needs to be understood that [[O Gauge]] is really "Gauge 0", being smaller than [[Gauge 1]], [[Gauge 2]], [[Gauge 3]] etc. HO is technically H0, but per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], HO is what the title should be. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 10:32, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' After going to the [[Walthers]] site and checking a dozen or so manufacturers' sites, I have yet to find one using H0; they inevitably seem to use HO. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 10:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. H0 was first built by a german constructor, on half the size of scale 0 (zero), hence the name (!) "half zero" or H0. ''Pronouncing'' it like "HO", as English people do, does not mean the article has to be ''named'' HO. - [[User:Erik Baas|Erik Baas]] ([[User talk:Erik Baas|talk]]) 12:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. @Mangoe. Walthers are a US dealer. Yes they use HO, but all the manufacturers they quote use "H0", so they have misread it. In fact, all the major manufacturers of this gauge use "H0" - see the home sites for Märklin, Trix, Fleischmann, etc. These are the authoritative sources we should be using, not common misuse. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 12:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:*Well, that is perhaps a very Germanic way of looking at it, but the fact remains that the US market is a whole heck of a lot larger, with many, many more manufacturers (not to mention that Märklin and Trix are a single company), and I have not found a single US manufacturer yet who doesn't use "HO". HO seems to be rare in the UK (they tend to prefer OO) but so far every example I've seen uses "HO". As I pointed out at the beginning, in English there really isn't any "zero" scale, but only an "O gauge", which is modelled at two different scales. That's probably why in American English we've tended to go with HO, because it's (sort of) half the O gauge that we're familiar with. Sloppiness is rather beside the point considering that it's not really half of anything. I don't think it's up to us to argue with pretty much every manufacturer out there in an English-speaking country. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, there's the whole issue of [[WP:COMMONNAME]] being policy, and the most common name in English-language usage is "Aitch-Oh".[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 15:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::@Mangoe. I'm not German, but I have modelled H0 scale for many years. The "US is bigger" is not really a great argument for correct usage; in any case the US market is probably only on a par with the European market and smaller than the rest of the world. Nor do US manufacturers automatically trump correct usage by the manufacturers in the country that invented H0 gauge.
:::@Oknazeved. [[WP:COMMONNAME]] does not insist we must always use the "common name". There are 5 criteria at [[WP:TITLE]] of which recognisability is but one and then only common names "as used in reliable sources". Precision is another criterion.[[WP:COMMONNAME]] also states that "Article titles should be neither vulgar nor pedantic". I would suggest that "HO" is "vulgar" usage i.e. we commonly pronounce zeroes as "oh", but they're still zeroes. Hence the utter confusion. Let's be precise not common. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 18:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::But it ''is'' spelled with a letter "O" in most usages, not merely pronounced that way. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 18:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::...but not by the leading European modellers' organisation MOROP, which uses H0 ''in English'', notably in its official European standards (NEM). --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 20:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::And yet, it ''is'' spelled HO by the [[NMRA]], so the main standards bodies are a wash and your [[appeal to authority]] fails. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 08:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Not at all. Since it is a European standard, it is reasonable to expect that the European standards body takes precedence. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 17:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''': whatever it is called or however it is pronounced in other languages is totally irrelevant to how things are done in English and on the English Wikipedia. The most common usage in ''English'' is HO. [[User:Lost on belmont|Lost on Belmont]] ([[User talk:Lost on belmont|talk]]) 00:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:No one's using that argument and "common use" is only one criterion out of five at [[WP:TITLE]]. Common erroneous use doesn't even figure. A quick survey of around 20 manufacturers listed in this article shows that all the US ones use "HO" whilst the ''English'' sites of all European manufacturers (German, Austrian, Swiss, Spanish, etc.) bar Heljan use "H0" as laid down by the European NEM standard. Interestingly even the Hornby site uses "00" (the British equivalent of H0). Since it is a European standard, it seems only reasonable to adopt European (English) practice, especially as the digit in question is clearly the number zero. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 17:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::Wrong. It's a standard popular worldwide, and no more a "European standard" than the metric system. It's by far the most popular scale in the larger US (and Canadian) market, making it as much an American standard as a European one. So let's stop trying to prve which side of the pond is more important and concentrate on what's the most common name ''in the English language''. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 17:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::So let's see... the standard is first established in Europe as H0, Americans adopt it and call it not unreasonably "HO" in the vernacular (we call zeros "oh" for brevity), but then change it to "HO" as they write it down, then tell Europe to change to their incorrect version because "it's more common" (i.e. "there are more of us"). I have huge respect for the American nation and all they have done, but this is not a great line of argument for an international English encyclopedia. And whilst I don't think "common name" is the only factor here, it seems that H0 is overwhelmingly more common in Europe in ''English'' literature than "HO", and is used both by the standards people and the manufacturers here. 
:::But hey, there are more important things in life than this! Let's go write some articles! --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 20:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::::But the point, which you seem to be missing, is that "HO" is '''not''' incorrect. The name became changed, not merely misspelled, over time in much, and I would say most, English usage, because all the other common modern standards use letters. (Gauge 1, 2, etc. are not common modern standards.)
::::So the penchant for using "oh" for the number zero lead to an ''actual change'' in the term. You may not like the way it evolved in common usage, but it did. In short, "H0" is not any more correct than "HO". And it's rather condescending of you to insist it is.
::::The real question remains, what is the most common usage throughout the English language literature from around the world. European manufacturers and associations don't get any preferential treatment because it originated there; they're likely just using the same label regardless of language. That may be commendable in many ways, but it doesn't help determine the English language usage, especially if they're from non-English speaking countries. The US doesn't get any special treatment, either.
::::What about the Japanese manufacturers? It's not a particularly common scale there, as the tightness of living quarters leads to N scale being far more popular. But, [[Kato]], and [[Tomix]], the two largest Japanese manufacturers use "HO". (MicroAce, the third largest, doesn't even seem to offer any HO at all.)
::::The Australian Model Railway Association uses "HO". See [http://www.amra.asn.au/scale.htm here].
::::As noted [http://www.nzmrg.org.nz/webpage-123/modelling here] at the New Zealand Model Railway Guild, New Zealand's rail network, being narrow gauge, doesn't lend itself to the international standards, but NZers make do by using S scale sized equipment on ''HO'' tracks, which gives a good approximation.
::::Finally, South Africa is in a similar boat, as the country primarily uses [[Cape gauge]]. N scale seems to be the most popular there. What I could find of South Africa-based manufacturers points to "HO" as well.
::::So, I again say, "HO" is the most common name, of the two fully correct ones, for this scale, and should be the name of this article.[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 22:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not missing your point, I just don't accept it. In my view, "most common usage" is not the overriding factor even if it were proven, which I don't think it is anyway. We'll just have to agree to differ on this one. Regards. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 18:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::The continuing conceit here is the notion that the original continental usage is somehow binding on the Americans and British and Australians. I would hold that it is not. We do not refer to 0 (zero) scale in the USA, but to O gauge, because it represents two different scales, in the same manner that British OO and American HO equipment run on the same track despite being at different scales. That is why English-speaking countries refer to "half O" and not "half zero".
*'''History check''' I have sought out pages from old American manufacturers, and on [http://www.hoseeker.net/mantuainformation/mantuacatalog1937pg04.jpg this page from a 1937 Mantua catalog] you can see that they use "HO". So does [http://www.hoseeker.net/AthearnBrochuresAds/brochure1948pg1.jpg a 1948 Athearn brochure] and this [http://www.hoseeker.net/lindsay/lindsayflier1951pg2.jpg 1951 flier from Lindsay] and this [http://www.hoseeker.net/conover/conovercatalog1939pg01.jpg 1939 catalog from Conover] and [http://www.hoseeker.net/walthers/walthersinteriorspassenge1949rpg01.jpg this 1949 info page from Walthers]. Here's a [http://www.hoseeker.net/polks/polkscatalog1944pg01.jpg Polk catalog from 1944] and a [http://www.hoseeker.net/varneyinformation/varney1939catalogpg02.jpg 1939 catalog from Varney]. In looking over many, many early catalogs I cannot find a single American manufacturer that clearly uses "H0", and most plainly use "HO". It seems therefore that it was probably called "HO" from the very start at least in the USA. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 13:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
It does not aid a sensible debate if you resort to emotive words like "conceit" or misrepresent the alternative argument (again). Anyway, as an aside I have expanded the history section to cover the early development of H0, which helps to clarify its provenance a little.
{{quotation|The 0 gauge for model railways had been introduced at the beginning of the 20th century; prototypical standard gauge (1435 mm) track being modelled using a width of 32 mm and a model scale, usually, of 1:45.

However, even before the Second World War there had been attempts to design a model railway about half the size of 0 gauge that would be more suitable for home layouts and cheaper to manufacture. It was to meet these aims that H0 gauge was developed. For this new scale, a track width of 16.5 mm was designed to represent prototypical standard gauge track, and a model scale of 1:87 was chosen. By as early as 1922 the firm of Bing in Nuremberg, Germany, had been marketing a "tabletop railway" for several years. This came on a raised, quasi-ballasted track with a gauge of 16.5 mm, which was described at that time either as 00 or H0. The trains initially had a clockwork drive, but from 1924 were driven electrically. Accessory manufacturers, such as Kibri, marketed buildings in the corresponding scale.

At the 1935 Leipzig Spring Fair, an electric tabletop railway, Trix Express, was displayed to a gauge described as "Half Nought Gauge", which was then abbreviated as Gauge 00 ("nought-nought"). Märklin, another German firm, followed suit with its 00 gauge railway for the 1935 Leipzig Autumn Fair. The Märklin 00 gauge track that appeared more than ten years after Bing's tabletop railway had a very similar appearance to the previous Bing track. On the Märklin version, however, the rails were fixed to the tin 'ballast' as in the prototype, whilst the Bing tracks were simply stamped into the the ballast, so that track and ballast were made of single sheet of metal.}}
Of course after that, the UK use of 00 diverged from H0 (in terms of ''scale'' not ''rail gauge''). BTW I don't follow your line of argument that because there are different 0 ''scale'' (not gauge) standards in different continents, that the same is true of H0 scale. My sources suggest both the NMRA and NEM use exactly the same standards for H0 gauge and scale. --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 18:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:I believe Mangoe was using "conceit" in the somewhat archaic meaning of "idea" or "premise". At least that's how I understood him.
[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 18:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. When I was actually making these they were only called HO and not H0. So for me the choice is crystal clear. [[User:Vegaswikian|Vegaswikian]] ([[User talk:Vegaswikian|talk]]) 02:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
**'''Comment''': Likewise. I was once rather keen on scenic modelling in this gauge, and never once heard it pronounced or saw it written with a zero. It seems that, once again, we are having a debate over what something ''should'' be called. There's no doubt what it ''is'' called. Perhaps Wikipedia culture is changing, but our policy seems clear. No change of vote. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 20:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. I asked a leading British manufacturer and model railway magazine what convention the UK followed. The answer was as follows ''"British modellers tend to refer to HO (ohh) but there is always debate. The same with OO scale which is referred to as "double O" (Ohh) whereas technically it should be "double zero". The UK unfortunately doesn't really have a standard! The individual scale organisations tend to create their own! Some people work to the NEM standards and some work to the NMRA standards."'' Sadly, it is far from crystal clear! --[[User:Bermicourt|Bermicourt]] ([[User talk:Bermicourt|talk]]) 17:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a [[WP:RM|requested move]]. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>

== Is the scale 1:87 or 1:~87.086? ==

This is not a question of theory. If all, or the vast majority, of model train manufacturers use a scale of 1:87 for their scale track, trains, etc., then HO scale is exactly 1:87. It cannot be 1:87.086 if nobody at all uses that scale. So which scale does everyone use? [[User:CGameProgrammer|CGameProgrammer]] ([[User talk:CGameProgrammer|talk]]) 07:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

::Any difference this small cannot be distinguished due to manufacturing tolerances. [[User:Dzenanz|Dzenanz]] ([[User talk:Dzenanz|talk]]) 07:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

== "3.5 mm (0.14 in) represents 1 real foot (304.8 mm)" ==

Is it intentional to mix the units? (3.5mm : 1 ft)? I see that the numbers become nice and round this way, but it seems unconventional, and inappropriate.

In other words, I'm suggesting that the text be edited to read, "0.14 in (3.5 mm) represents 1 real foot (304.8 mm)".

[[Special:Contributions/75.4.205.0|75.4.205.0]] ([[User talk:75.4.205.0|talk]]) 07:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

: I suppose it makes sense if we're talking about modern models being manufactured, to metric standards, of older objects which were manufactured to Imperial standards. But (I suspect like some of the posters above) I've just come here after reading today's XKCD, so I don't actually know what I'm talking about. [[Special:Contributions/78.86.200.205|78.86.200.205]] ([[User talk:78.86.200.205|talk]]) 07:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

:I entirely agree . it seems incredibly bad practice to mix units in the way this article has (at the very top of the article : " Scale per foot: 3.5 mm to 1-foot " ) . The article heading paragraph has been bettered as the first comment here suggests . but not all of it . even if it at first appears to look better , and fits into the table well , it is still an outrage . [[Special:Contributions/81.156.181.166|81.156.181.166]] ([[User talk:81.156.181.166|talk]]) 14:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

::Someone else may hate to be pedantic, but not me: 3.5mm to the foot is how the scale is defined. [[User:Mangoe|Mangoe]] ([[User talk:Mangoe|talk]]) 14:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

::That is quite correct. I am a hobbyist myself, and do collect several magazines and books on the subject. 3.5mm:1 foot is quite correct. As is 2mm:1" for N. This is beacuse on the railways the units generally used are imperial, and metric for models (excluding baseboards). While this is confusing, it is what is used and has been used for years. [[User:Cousjava|Cousjava]] ([[User talk:Cousjava|talk]]) 16:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

== XKCD strip ==

On the 28th of March an [[XKCD]] comic strip was released regarding the H0 scale: http://xkcd.com/878/

--[[User:Krotton|Krotton]] ([[User talk:Krotton|talk]]) 13:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't you mean 28th March?

--ZeroCool42 14:33, 28 March 2011 (GMT) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/109.246.226.134|109.246.226.134]] ([[User talk:109.246.226.134|talk]])  

So what? Noone gives a d*** about your goddam XKCD, it does not warrant inclusion in every goddam article that's ever mentioned!!!
---- —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.189.154.1|184.189.154.1]] ([[User talk:184.189.154.1|talk]]) 13:54, 28 March 2011 (UTC) 
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette [[User:Mbarbier|Mbarbier]] ([[User talk:Mbarbier|talk]]) 16:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Dragonprime

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Legend of the green dragon

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Legend of the Green Dragon is an online [[PHP]] and [[MySQL]] based remake of [[Legend of the Red Dragon]].<ref name="aboutLotGD">http://logd.dragoncat.net/about.php?, About Legend of the Green Dragon</ref>

== Gameplay ==

Gameplay is through clicking on links to do various actions. Players fight monsters in a forest to gain experience and money, in order to gain in levels and purcharse better weapons and armour. When the player gets to level 15, they can then hunt for the dragon and kill it. Killing it results in a [[new game plus]] with a slight enhancement of stats and options to chose a different race.

== Versions and Lisencing ==

There are two public versions of LotGD under elease. Version 0.9.7 is avalible under the [[GNU Public Liscene]] and later version are under the [[Creative Commons Liscence]].

== Dragonprime ==

Various games have been created based on the game engine, with the main source avalible to download at dragonprime.net. Dragonprimme also allows users to create their own modules for their game.

== Dragonscales and Dragonbones ==

A new version of the engine, codenamed 'Dragonbones' is in the process of creation be Dan Hall, aka Caveman Joe, who owns the game Improbable Island based off the LotGD 1.1.0 engine. Due for release in summer 2011, it will be under the [[BSD Liscence]] and be a radical overhall of the system.<ref name=dragonbones>Dragonbones,[http://labs.improbableisland.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dragonbones]</ref>

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| http://lotgd.net
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| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Dragoncat.net
| English
| MightyE
| 1.0.6+classic+jt+ext
| Yes
| http://logd.dragoncat.net
|-
| Improbable Island
| Improbable Island Season 2
| English
| Caveman Joe
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
| Yes
| http://www.improbableisland.com
|-
| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Deutscher Server
| German
| Unknown
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
| Yes
| http://www.lotgd.de/
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| Shinobi Legends
| Shinobi Legends
| English
| Neji
| 1.2.3 +nb Edition
| Yes
| https://shinobilegends.com/
|-
| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Italian
| Nessuno
| 0.9.7 OGSI Edition
| Yes
| http://logd.ogsi.it/s1/logd/
|-
| Gothmania
| Gothmania
| English
| Neltharion and Autumn
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
| Yes
| http://www.gothmania.net/
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| Die Walder von Alvion
| Die Walder von Alvion
| German
| Unknown
| 0.9.7+jt ext
| Yes
| http://alvion-logd.de/logd
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| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Legend of the Green Dragon
| Bulgarian
| Unknown
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
| Yes
| http://lotgd.digsys.bg/
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<ref name="lotglist">List of LotGD Servers,http://www.lotgd.net/logdnet.php?op=list</ref>

== References ==

<references />

[[Category:MUD_games]]
[[Category:Browser-based_multiplayer_online_games]]

Legend of the green dragon

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Legend of the Green Dragon is an online [[PHP]] and [[MySQL]] based remake of [[Legend of the Red Dragon]].<ref name="aboutLotGD">[http://logd.dragoncat.net/about.php?], About Legend of the Green Dragon</ref>

== Gameplay ==

Gameplay is through clicking on links to do various actions. Players fight monsters in a forest to gain experience and money, in order to gain in levels and purcharse better weapons and armour. When the player gets to level 15, they can then hunt for the dragon and kill it. Killing it results in a [[new game plus]] with a slight enhancement of stats and options to chose a different race.

== Versions and Lisencing ==

There are two public versions of LotGD under elease. Version 0.9.7 is avalible under the [[GNU Public Liscene]] and later version are under the [[Creative Commons Liscence]].

== Dragonprime ==

Various games have been created based on the game engine, with the main source avalible to download at dragonprime.net. Dragonprimme also allows users to create their own modules for their game.

== Dragonscales and Dragonbones ==

A new version of the engine, codenamed 'Dragonbones' is in the process of creation be Dan Hall, aka Caveman Joe, who owns the game Improbable Island based off the LotGD 1.1.0 engine. Due for release in summer 2011, it will be under the [[BSD Liscence]] and be a radical overhall of the system.

== Servers ==
== References ==

<references />

[[Category:MUD_Games]]
[[Category:Browser-based_multiplayer_online_games]]

Legend of the green dragon

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Cousjava: /* Servers */

== Legend of the Green Dragon ==

Legend of the Green Dragon is an online [[PHP]] and [[MySQL]] based remake of [[Legend of the Red Dragon]].<ref name="aboutLotGD">[http://logd.dragoncat.net/about.php?], About Legend of the Green Dragon</ref>

=== Gameplay ===

Gameplay is through clicking on links to do various actions. Players fight monsters in a forest to gain experience and money, in order to gain in levels and purcharse better weapons and armour. When the player gets to level 15, they can then hunt for the dragon and kill it. Killing it results in a [[new game plus]] with a slight enhancement of stats and options to chose a different race.

=== Versions and Lisencing ===

There are two public versions of LotGD under elease. Version 0.9.7 is avalible under the [[GNU Public Liscene]] and later version are under the [[Creative Commons Liscence]].

=== Dragonprime ===

Various games have been created based on the game engine, with the main source avalible to download at dragonprime.net. Dragonprimme also allows users to create their own modules for their game.

=== Dragonscales and Dragonbones ===

A new version of the engine, codenamed 'Dragonbones' is in the process of creation be Dan Hall, aka Caveman Joe, who owns the game Improbable Island based off the LotGD 1.1.0 engine. Due for release in summer 2011, it will be under the [[BSD Liscence]] and be a radical overhall of the system.

=== Servers ===

== References ==

<references />

Legend of the green dragon

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Legend of the green dragon

2011-01-30T20:53:19Z

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Magic in the Malazan Book of the Fallen

2010-06-13T17:24:42Z

Cousjava: /* Origins */

{{Unreferenced|date=July 2009}}
'''[[Magic (paranormal)|Magic]] in the ''[[Malazan Book of the Fallen]]''''', a [[high fantasy]] series by [[Steven Erikson]], involves tapping power from inside the mage, taking power from [[spirit]]s, or most commonly using the power of a '''Warren''' or '''Hold'''. The effects created varies depending on where the magic is taken from, how it is combined, and the intent of the mage. Warrens are themselves complete realms or worlds containing sentient and non-sentient creatures, geography and a ruling creature, usually a god.
The power of warrens are theorized to come from [[dragons]], each of whom have an aspect the same as the warren. Most [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen|races]] have a racial Warren that exhibits particular effects or properties; humans generally tap Warrens based on an innate preference, that produce limited or specific effects. The books have stated that Warrens are best described as closed doors in the mage's mind. Accessing the power behind it requires careful, and deliberate opening to unleash and shape the power within. Controlling an open Warren is a draining process, and to open the door too far is to invite madness, physical harm, or death upon the mage. Racial Warrens are Elder, unavailable to humans in most cases, and significantly more powerful, in addition to being immune to the magic-deadening effects of [[#Otataral|otataral]].

==Origins==
Some characters in the novels have theorized that some Warrens are descended from Holds and others from Elder Warrens (such as Telas, the human Warren of Fire, from Tellann, the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#T'lan Imass|Imass']] racial Warren, itself stolen from Kurald Thyrllan, the racial Warren of Light of the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Liosan|Tiste Liosan]]). <ref>House of Chains</ref> It was revealed in ''[[Memories of Ice]]'' that the Warrens are shaped by K'rul, Elder God of Warrens, through his own flesh and flowing with his blood. The Warrens are also personified by various Eleint, with each Warren being somehow related to a specific dragon. The dragons themselves are generally sealed into the Eleint Warren. 

==Effects==
Effects of warren magic are large-scale blasts, personal enhancement, item manipulation, and travel through the physical Warren across great distances in a short period of time. Only a minority of humans can access Warrens, usually tapping and working with a single one, though the High Mage Quick Ben can access seven at any single time out of his repertoire of twelve, and non-humans can access up to twelve as well (although not usually at once). An example of personal enhancements is when [[The_Bridgeburners#Ben_Adaephon_Delat|Quick Ben]] in ''[[Memories of Ice]]'' used Serc, the warren of the sky, to fly and D'riss, the warren of Stone, to walk through a wall. An example of item manipulation is [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Trell|Mappo Runt's]] pack which is larger on the inside than it is on the outside. Certain Elder [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen|races]] have access to racial Warrens, that seem to be significantly more powerful and cannot be completely blocked by the magic-deadening ore [[#Otataral|otataral]], though may be weakened.

==Holds==
On at least one continent, [[Malazan Book of the Fallen#Lether|Lether]], Warrens do not function due to the effects of a large-scale, long-lasting stasis cast over the continent by a Jaghut. Magic on the continent was arrested in its development, and retained the primitive yet powerful form of ''Holds'', which are capable of great destruction, but lack the nuanced abilities and fine control of the Warrens found elsewhere on the planet.

==Investment==
Warrens can be used to enchant physical objects through a process called ''investment''. Examples include the unbreakable flint weapons of the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#T'lan Imass|T'lan Imass]], which permit [[flintknapper|knapping]] useful blades of a size that would normally shatter, [[Icarium]]'s arrows which had warrens carved into them, and a stone slab used to trap a [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Forkrul Assail|Forkrul Assail]] for thousands of years.

==Warrens, holds and realms==
Warrens can be both an access point to power and a physical realm, though some do not appear to have a linked realm. The Warrens that exist as physical worlds come with complete geography, history, and ecosystems of non-sentient and sentient races different from the Malazan world. As well, some Warrens manifest with variations in different parts of the human realm, resulting in a certain duplication of purpose (i.e., [[Meanas]] and Rashan, both essentially being Warrens of Shadow). Warrens may also in some ways mirror or reflect the circumstances and physical properties of the Malazan world. Warrens also exist as the realms of Gods only accessible to priests instead of mages, though the distinctions between the two types of Warrens have not been clarified. Warrens link to each other, and mages can move between them given sufficient knowledge and mastery of magic.

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| Starvald Demelain ||Elder Warren of Dragons The [[Dragon|Tiam]] Warren The Dragon Hold ||Open to the Eleint (dragons); the First Warren
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|Ahkrast Korvalain||Elder Warren, possibly belonging to the Forkrul Assail||Open to the Forkrul Assail
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|Kurald Galain||Elder Warren of Darkness ||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Andii|Tiste Andii]]
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|Kurald Emurlahn|| Elder Warren of Shadow The Shattered Warren The Empty Hold||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Edur|Tiste Edur]]; currently sundered
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|Kurald Thyrllan|| Elder Warren of Light ||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Liosan|Tiste Liosan]]; in most cases sealed off from access by other races or Warrens
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|Kurald Liosan|| Elder Warren of unknown aspect, presumably light ||Presumably open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Liosan|Tiste Liosan]]; mentioned only in passing as sourced from a being posing as a Liosan god.
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|Omtose Phellack|| Warren of Ice The Ice Hold||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Jaghut|Jaghut]]; exerts an influence of preservation or stasis
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|Tellann||Warren of Fire||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#T'lan Imass|T'lan Imass]]; created from Kurald Thryrllan by the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#T'lan Imass|Imass]] [[Shaman|Bonecasters]] to grant immortality through intelligent [[Undead|undeath]] while the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Liosan|Tiste Liosan]] believed their Warren sealed
|-
|Denaeth Rusen||Elder Warren of the Sea||Possibly open only to Mael; where life first originated
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|Kaschan||Elder Warren (aspect unknown)||Open to the [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#K'Chain Che'Malle|K'Chain Che'Malle]]; Born of sounds our ears cannot hear, formed into words that loosen the bindings that hold all matter together.
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|Ahkrast Korvalain||Elder warren, aspect unknown||Open to the Forkrul Assail
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|Aral Gamelon||Path of Demons||Open to humans; allows the summoning and control of demons; related to Hood's Path
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|Denul||Path of Healing||Open to humans; allows treatment of injuries and diseases
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|D'riss||Path of Stone||Open to humans; allows petrification of wood and passage through solid stone, the flesh of Burn, the Sleeping Goddess
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|[[High House Death#Realm of Death|Hood's Path]]||Path of Death||Open to humans; allows animation of corpses, communication with spirits and control over demons; also the Warren of the God of Death
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|Imperial||Imperial Warren (aspect unknown)||Open to humans; formerly Kallor's Empire, made into a warren by the Elder god K'rul to contain the destruction of a continent
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|[[High House Shadow#Realm of Shadow|Meanas]]||Path of Shadow and Illusion||Open to humans; allows the manipulation of color and sound, also Shadow
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|Mockra||Path of the Mind||Open to humans; allows manipulation of thoughts and emotions of individuals and groups. Interestingly it is the only warren to be given a consciousness, as of Reaper's Gale, when it reveals itself to a natural talent. Whether this is unique due to it being a warren influencing the mind is not yet clear.
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|Rashan||Path of Darkness||Open to humans; allows concealment through shadow/darkness,
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|Ruse||Path of the Sea||Open to humans; priestly warren of the Elder God of the Seas, Mael; allows manipulation of pressure and summoning of underwater creatures
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|Serc||Path of the Sky||Open to humans; allows travel through the air and the perception of and movement through the temperature and layers of gases in the air
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|Telas||Path of Fire||Open to humans, allows powerful blasts of fire
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|Tennes||Path of the Land||Open to humans; Burn's warren, allows the reshaping of the earth, as seen in ''[[Toll the Hounds]]''
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|Thyr||Path of Light||Open to humans; actions uncertain, can create magic shields.
|}
===Other Warrens===
Certain Warrens are alluded to, but not explained in great detail. These include the realm of Fener (the Warren of a God that is open to priests of Fener). Certain [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Themlomen Toblakai|Thelomen Toblakai]] are able to create personal Warrens, though how this occurs and what abilities it allows are not explained. The Toblakai appear to lack an overall racial Warren, though they do possess Ascended gods.
Another example is the Warren of Poliel, Goddess of Disease,mentioned by Lady Envy in ''Memories of Ice''.

==Otataral==
Otataral is a magic-deadening reddish [[ore]], generally sold in the form of dust, which superficially resembles [[rust]]ed [[iron]]. It not only prevents the use of magic, it also prevents mages from accessing or opening their Warrens and can drive them insane (this may be due to otataral itself or the forcible removal of access to their warren); an attempt to do so, or use magic on an individual holding otataral causes the effect to fail in a gust of chilly air. The effects of otataral can be circumscribed somewhat through encasing the metal in a dense material (such as a [[granite]] box) or a weapon's [[sheath]]. Elder racial Warrens such as [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Andii|Kurald Galain]] and [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#T'lan Imass|Tellann]] are immune to its effects.

In addition, any individual who is in the presence of the ore for a long enough period (such as by carrying an otataral weapon or inhaling or absorbing otataral dust through skin) will experience unpredictable side effects, at least one of which appears to be a transfer of the magic-deadening properties. The [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Thelomen Toblakai|Teblor]] tribes of northern [[Genabackis]] may exhibit this trait through their use of the otataral-suffused blood-oil.

Another possible side effect is increased rate of healing. This is rather beneficial as it helps make up for the fact that a person thus affected by otataral may be immune to the magic based healing ministrations of a Denul healer.

Otataral is too brittle to be forged directly into a weapon. Instead, most weapons are forged as normal, then quenched in otataral dust while still hot. Attempting to counter magic with hot otataral can cause catastrophic [[explosion]]s.

===Origins===
Otataral may form due to the presence of giant [[jade]] statues that periodically impact the Malazan world. The ore appears to act as a scab, isolating or minimizing the effects of these statues. The creation of otataral appears to burn out the natural energies that power non-Elder magic and leaves a substance that, within a limited area, prevents non-Elder sorceries from working.

===Mining and control===
The [[Malazan Empire]] tightly controls the mining and sale of otataral. The most prominent source are the mines at Dosin Pali, at the edge of the otataral desert just off the coast of the [[Seven Cities (Malazan)|Seven Cities]]. When the mining of otataral results in contact with the jade figures, the shaft of the mine is immediately closed as spending time in their presence inevitably causes death. Other sources of otataral are speculative, including the Teblor's blood-oil. Should the Malazan Empire discover these sources, it would probably immediately move to control them.

There exists a dragon composed completely of otataral chained in the Malazan Imperial Warren, discussed in ''[[House of Chains]]''. This dragon was speculated to act as a counter-balance to the existence of all other dragons who are the source of magic for the Malazan world. The dragon was found by the Claw Pearl and Red Blade Lostara Yil, and appears to have been chained by at least 3 magic aspected dragons.

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Deck of Dragons

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The '''Deck of Dragons''' is a part of the [[fantasy]] series ''[[Malazan Book of the Fallen]]''. The Deck is made up of cards and acts not unlike a [[Tarot]] deck in that it is used to predict future events. In the Malazan world, it is used to give its readers a sense of the state of the pantheon. A card represents a specific role in one of the Houses (elements), although some are called Unaligned because they do not belong to any one House or element. As of ''[[Dust of Dreams]]'', the ninth book in the series, the Deck of Dragons consisted of the following cards, although these will change in the future depending on the ascendancy of mortals or the fall of gods. It contains 7 'houses', or suits and 58 unaligned, for a total of approxiamtly 120 cards. This page does not attempt to outline the Tiles of the Holds <ref> Erikson, Steven. Midnight Tides, Bantam Press, 2004. ISBN 0593046277 </ref>

==High House Life==

* King - Brys Beddict
* Queen - T'riss, the Queen of Dreams
* Champion - Lostara Yil
* Priest
* Herald - Ublala Pung
* Soldier
* Weaver
* Builder

==High House Death==
{{Main|High House Death}}
* King - Hood (until his death)
* Queen
* Knight - the Seguleh Second, formerly Baudin, formerly Dassem Ultor
* Magi - formerly Talamandas
* Herald - formerly Gethol, Now Toc Anaster
* Soldier - Baudin, formerly the Seguleh Second
* Spinner
* Mason - Hedge, formerly [[Whiskeyjack]], briefly Thordy
* Virgin - Sinn, formerly Sorry/Apsalar

==High House Light==

* King
* Queen
* Champion - Osserc
* Priest
* Captain
* Soldier - Kyle of the Crimson Guard
* Seamstress
* Builder - Hurl named by Serress Liss
* Maiden

==High House Dark==

* King - 
* Queen - Sandalath Drukorlat
* Knight - [[Anomander Rake]], until his death in ''Toll the Hounds''
* Magi - Quick Ben
* Herald - Clip claimed the position; the veracity of this claim is as of yet unsubstantiated.
* Captain
* Soldier
* Weaver
* Mason
* Wife

==High House Shadow==

{{Main|High House Shadow}}
* King - Shadowthrone/Ammanas
* Queen
* Assassin - [[Cotillion (Malazan)|The Rope/Cotillion]]
* Magi - [[High House Shadow#Magi|Iskaral Pust]]
* Knight - formerly Trull Sengar. Trull Sengar's unborn son is currently fated to be Knight of Shadow.
* Hound - The Hounds of Shadow
* Apprentice
* Mistress

==High House Chains==
{{Main|High House Chains}}
* The King in Chains - formerly [[Rhulad Sengar]], now the Avowed Skinner of the Crimson Guard
* The Consort - formerly [[Malazan Empire#The Bonehunters|Poliel]], later Janall, former Empress of Lether
* Reaver - [[Malazan Book of the Fallen#High King Kallor|Kallor]]
* Knight - [[Karsa Orlong]]
* The Seven of the Dead Fires - The Unbound
* Herald - Gethol
* Magi - formerly Bidithal
* Cripple - Munug
* Leper - formerly Silgar
* Fool - Banaschar

==High House War==

* Lord of Wolves/Lords of War - Togg and Fanderay (formerly Fener)
* Hunter - Treach
* Guardians of the Dead - [[The Bridgeburners]]
* Mercenary
* Army-Soldier - The Malazan 14th Army

==Unaligned Ascendants==

* Oponn - The Lord and Lady of Chance
* Obelisk <ref>Erikson, Steven. The Bonehunters, Bantam Press, 2006. ISBN 0593046293 </ref>
* Crown
* Sceptre
* Orb
* Throne
* Chain
* Master of the Deck - [[Ganoes Paran]]
* Lifeslayer - [[Races of the Malazan Book of the Fallen#Jhag|Icarium]]
* Deathslayer - [[The Crippled God]]
* Salvation - Felisin the Younger's faction
* The Apocalyptic - Sha'ik and Felisin's army
* The Warlord Caladan Brood
* Silchas Ruin
* Rud Elalle
* The Errant
* K'rul
* Mael
* Kilimandaros
* Sechul Lath/Knuckles
* Draconus ''also known as Consort to Mother Dark''
* Burn
* Olar Ethil
* Edgewalker
* Fener
* Apsalar
* Beru
* Nerruse
* Dessembrae
* Gedderone
* Jhess
* Mowri
* Soliel
* Scabandari Bloodeye
* Sheltatha Lore
* Sukul Ankhadu
* Menandore
* Lady Envy
* Sister Spite
* Tiam
* The Crimson Guard Avowed
* Ardata
* Gesler
* Itkovian
* Great Ravens
* Stormy
* Coltaine
* Hounds of Darkness
* Hounds of Light
* Silverfox (Sister of Cold Nights)
* Kilava
* The Azath
* Mappo Trell
* Kruppe?
* D'rek
* Eres
* Grizzin Farl

==See also==
*[[Tiles of the Hold]]

==References==
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Battle Hymn of the Republic

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'''"The Battle Hymn of the Republic"''' is an [[United States|American]] [[Abolitionism|abolitionist]] [[Hymn]]. The lyrics were written by [[Julia Ward Howe]] in November 1861 and first published in ''[[The Atlantic Monthly]]'' in February 1862. It became popular during the [[American Civil War]]. Since that time it has become an extremely popular and well-known American [[Patriotism|patriotic]] song.
[[File:7 Battle Hymn of the Republic.png|right|thumb|300px|Sheet music version]]

==History==
The tune was written around [[1855]] by [[William Steffe]]. The first known lyrics were called "Canaan's Happy Shore" or "Brothers, Will You Meet Me?" and the song was sung as a [[Spiritual (music)|campfire spiritual]]. The tune spread across the [[music of the United States|United States]], taking on the best song of its time.

Thomas Bishop, from [[Vermont]], joined the [[Massachusetts]] Infantry before the outbreak of war and compiled a popular set of lyrics, circa 1860, titled "[[John Brown's Body]]" which became one of his unit's [[cadence call|walking songs]]. According to writer [[Irwin Silber]] (who has written a book about Civil War folk songs), the original lyrics were only obliquely about [[John Brown (abolitionist)|John Brown]], the famed [[Abolitionism|abolitionist]]. More particularly the lyrics were about a Scotsman of the same name who was a member of the 12th Massachusetts Regiment, and the lyrics were composed to poke some good-natured fun at the runty, mild-mannered Scotsman who shared the same name as the much more famous and fearsome abolitionist.<ref>George Kimball, "Origin of the John Brown Song", ''New England Magazine'', new series 1 (1890):374. ([http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fnewe%2Fnewe0007%2F&tif=00379.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fmoa-cgi%3Fnotisid%3DAFJ3026-0007-61&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50 online via Cornell University])</ref>

Bishop's battalion was dispatched to [[Washington, D.C.]] early in the Civil War, and Julia Ward Howe heard this song during a public review of the troops in Washington. [[Rufus R. Dawes]], then in command of Company "K" of the Sixth Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry, stated in his memoirs that the man who started the singing was Sergeant John Ticknor of his company. By this time the association with the diminutive Scotsman John Brown was forgotten or unknown to most listeners, who heard only a rough and somewhat oddly-phrased marching song about John Brown the abolitionist. Howe's companion at the review, the Reverend James Clarke, suggested to Howe that she write new words for the fighting men's song. Staying at the [[Willard Hotel]] in Washington on the night of November 18, 1861, Howe awoke with the words of the song in her mind and in near darkness wrote the verses to the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" [http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/richards/howe/howe-I.html]. Of the writing of the lyrics, Howe remembers, "I went to bed that night as usual, and slept, according to my wont, quite soundly. I awoke in the gray of the morning twilight; and as I lay waiting for the dawn, the long lines of the desired poem began to twine themselves in my mind. Having thought out all the stanzas, I said to myself, 'I must get up and write these verses down, lest I fall asleep again and forget them.' So, with a sudden effort, I sprang out of bed, and found in the dimness an old stump of a pen which I remembered to have used the day before. I scrawled the verses almost without looking at the paper."<ref>Howe, Julia Ward. ''Reminiscences: 1819-1899.''Houghton, Mifflin: New York, 1899. p. 275.</ref>

[[Image:Battle Hymn of the Republic.jpg|thumb|300px|As originally published 1862 in ''[[The Atlantic Monthly]]'']]Howe's "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" was first published on the front page of ''[[The Atlantic Monthly]]'' of February 1862. The sixth verse written by Howe, which is less commonly sung, was not published at that time. The song was also published as a broadside in 1863 by the Supervisory Committee for Recruiting Colored Regiments in Philadelphia.

"Canaan's Happy Shore" has a verse and chorus of equal metrical length and both verse and chorus share an identical melody and rhythm. "John Brown's Body" has more syllables in its verse and uses a more rhythmically active variation of the "Canaan" melody to accommodate the additional words in the verse. In Howe's lyrics, the words of the verse are packed into a yet longer line, with even more syllables than John Brown's Body. The verse still uses the same underlying melody as the refrain, but the addition of many dotted rhythms to the underlying melody allows for the more complex verse to fit the same melody as the comparatively short refrain.

Both "John Brown" and "Battle Hymn of the Republic" were published in Father Kemp's Old Folks Concert Tunes in 1874 and reprinted in 1889. Both songs had the same Chorus with an additional "Glory" in the second line: "Glory! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!"<ref>Hall, Roger L. ''New England Songster.'' PineTree Press, 1997.</ref>

Julia Ward Howe was the wife of [[Samuel Gridley Howe]], the famed scholar in education of the blind. Samuel and Julia were also active leaders in anti-slavery politics and strong supporters of the Union.

==Score==
:''One version of the melody, in [[C major]], begins as below. This is an example of the [[mediant-octave modal frame]].''

[[Image:Battle Hymn of the Republic beginning.png|550px|center|"The Battle Hymn of the Republic" melody beginning]]

==Lyrics==
{{The Battle Hymn of the Republic}}

===Biblical references===
Several parts of the song are based on Biblical passages:

* The first verse draws on the [[Book of Revelation]], which describes to an [[angel]] casting grapes into "the great winepress of the wrath of God" (14:19), and later describes the [[Logos (Christianity)|Word of God]] who wields "a sharp sword" and "treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" (19:15).
* The third verse refers to [[God]]'s promise in [[Book of Genesis|Genesis]] 3:15 that a descendant of [[Eve]] will someday crush the [[Serpent (Bible)|serpent]], while the serpent can strike only at his [[heel]]. Indirectly, this also refers to Revelation 12:1-10, where a woman (often interpreted as Mary) bears a child while engaged in struggle with a dragon/serpent. The dragon/serpent is defeated.
* The fourth verse alludes to [[Second Epistle to the Corinthians|2 Corinthians]] 5:10, which states that "we must all appear before the [[Divine judgment|judgment]] [[Cathedra|seat]] of [[Christ]]; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
* The fifth verse refers to the doctrine that Christians can be made [[holy]] through the death of Christ ([[Epistle to the Colossians|Colossians]] 1:21-22).
* The sixth verse refers to the [[Earth]] as the [[footstool]] of God, a claim which appears in [[Book of Isaiah|Isaiah]] 66:1, [[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] 5:35, and [[Acts of the Apostles|Acts]] 7:49.

===Notes===
In later years, when this song was sung in a non-military environment, the clause "let us die to make men free" was sometimes changed to "let us ''live'' to make men free". This change can be seen in most modern hymnals. In addition, the term "bosom" in the fifth verse is often changed to "being". Sometimes, [[gender neutrality in English|gender-neutral language]] is used and it is sung as "as he died to make ''us'' holy, let us live to make ''all'' free".

The sixth verse is often omitted, as is the third. Also, a common variant changes "soul of Time" to read "soul of wrong", and "succour" to "honor".

Also, when the sixth verse is omitted, the fifth verse can be sung at a slower pace than the rest of the song.

==Influence==
===Popularity and widespread use===
In the years since the Civil War, "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" has been used frequently as an American patriotic song.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

This song is usually heard at the national conventions of both the [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican Party]] and [[Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic Party]],{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} and is often sung at Presidential inaugurations.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

===Recordings and public performances===
In [[Grammy Awards of 1960|1960]] the [[Mormon Tabernacle Choir]] won the [[Grammy Award]] for [[Grammy Award for Best Performance by a Vocal Group or Chorus|Best Performance by a Vocal Group or Chorus]]. The single record had #13 on Billboard's Hot 100 the previous autumn.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

Judy Garland performed this song on television. She originally wanted to do a dedication show for JFK upon his assassination but CBS would not let her, so she performed the song without being able to mention his name.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

===Influence on other media===

Words from the first verse gave [[John Steinbeck]] to title his 1939 masterpiece ''[[The Grapes of Wrath]]''. The title of [[John Updike]]'s ''[[In the Beauty of the Lilies]]'' also came from this song, as did ''Terrible Swift Sword'' and ''Never Call Retreat'', two volumes in [[Bruce Catton]]'s ''Centennial History of the Civil War''.

The lyrics of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" appear in [[Martin Luther King, Jr.]]'s sermons and speeches, most notably in his speech "[[How Long, Not Long]]" from the steps of the Montgomery, Alabama Courthouse on March 25, 1965 after the 3rd [[Selma March]], and in his final sermon "[[I've Been to the Mountaintop]]", delivered in Memphis, Tennessee on the evening of April 3, 1968, the night before his assassination. In fact, the latter sermon, King's last public words, ends with the first lyrics of the "Battle Hymn", "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord."

The opening line to 'These Things Take Time' by The Smiths alludes to the first line of 'The Battle Hymn': 'Mine eyes have seen the glory of the sacred wunderkind / You took me behind a disused railway line.'{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

In [[Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri]], one of the colony names for the Believers faction is "Terrible Swift Sword" (their colonies are all named with references to Christianity).{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

===Other songs set to this tune===
The tune has been used with alternative lyrics numerous times. The most famous variant is "[[Solidarity Forever]]", a marching song for [[organized labor]] in the 20th century.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} It was also the basis for the anthem of the American [[consumers' cooperative]] movement, "[[The Battle Hymn of Cooperation]]", written in 1932.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

The [[United States Army]] [[paratrooper]] song, "[[Blood on the Risers]]", first sung in [[World War II]], is set to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

A number of popular [[Football chant|terrace songs]] (in [[association football|football]]) are sung to the tune in Britain; renditions include [[Northern Ireland national football team|"We're not Brazil, we're Northern Ireland"]], [[Glory Glory Leeds United]]", "[[Glory Glory Man United]]", and "[[Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur]]".{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} The [[1994 FIFA World Cup]] official song "Gloryland" interpreted by Daryl Hall and the Sound of the Blackness has the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic".{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

[[Len Chandler]] sang a song called "move on over" to this tune on [[Pete Seeger]]'s [[Rainbow Quest]] TV show.<ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHk3TGR7WE</ref>

The British band [[Half Man Half Biscuit]] used the melody for their song "Vatican Broadside".{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

"lief klein konijntje" is a popular Dutch children's song.<ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xppjAy2MI</ref>

The tune was used in the film [[American History X]] for "The White Man Marches On," a racist parody of the song made for the movie.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}}

Various parodies have been written using the song. "[[The Burning of the School]]" is a well-known one.{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} A somewhat more mature parody is [[My Son, the Folk Singer|"The Ballad of Harry Lewis"]], by [[Allan Sherman]].{{Citation needed|date=May 2010}} Another parodoy is Mine Eyes Have Seen The Glory of the Coming of the Titan for Improbable Island<ref>Improbable Island Enqurier[http://enquirer.improbableisland.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mine_eyes_have_seen_the_danger]</ref>
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== See also ==
*[[John Brown's Body]]
*[[William Weston Patton]]
*[[Glory, Glory (fight song)|"Glory, Glory" (Georgia fight song)]]
*[[Blood on the Risers]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==Further reading==
*Claghorn, Charles Eugene, "Battle Hymn: The Story Behind ''The Battle Hymn of the Republic''". Papers of the [[Hymn Society in the United States and Canada|Hymn Society of America]], XXIX.
*Jackson, ''Popular Songs of Nineteenth-Century America'', note on "Battle Hymn of the Republic", p. 263-4.
*Scholes, Percy A. (1955). "John Brown's Body", ''The Oxford Companion of Music''. Ninth edition. London: Oxford University Press.
*Stutler, Boyd B. (1960). ''Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! The Story of "John Brown's Body" and "Battle Hymn of the Republic''." Cincinnati: The C. J. Krehbiel Co.
*Clifford, Deborah Pickman. (1978). ''Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory: A Biography of Julia Ward Howe''. Boston: Little, Brown and Co.
*Vowell, Sarah. (2005). "John Brown's Body," in ''The Rose and the Briar: Death, Love and Liberty in the American Ballad''. Ed. by Sean Wilentz and Greil Marcus. New York: W. W. Norton.

==External links==
{{wikisource|Battle Hymn of the Republic}}
*[http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/dynaweb/sheetmusic/1910-1920/@Generic__BookTextView/2155;nh=1?DwebQuery=a6037#X 1917 Sheet Music] at [[Duke University]] as part of the [[American Memory]] collection of the [[Library of Congress]]
*[http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/mp3s/7000/7867/cusb-cyl7867d.mp3 "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"], Stevenson & Stanley (Edison Amberol 79, 1908)—''[http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/index.php Cylinder Preservation and Digitization Project]''.
*[http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/richards/howe/battle.html The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Facsimile of first draft]
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21566/21566-h/images/battlehymn.pdf Sheet music] for The Battle Hymn of the Republic, from [[Project Gutenberg]]
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21566/21566-h/music/battlehymn.midi MIDI] for The Battle Hymn of the Republic from Project Gutenberg
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHVZK7nFYRQ The Battle Hymn of the Republic] sung at [[Washington National Cathedral]], mourning the [[September 11, 2001 attacks]].
*[http://www.americanmusicpreservation.com/BattleHymnoftheRepublic.htm Recording of original version of Battle Hymn of the Republic]

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Legend of the Green Dragon

2010-05-04T19:12:50Z

Cousjava: /* Legend of the Green Dragon */ Added other games using same engine NB:This still needs formatting

====== Legend of the Green Dragon ======

'''Legend of the Green Dragon''' is a web based variation of the popular [[computer game]] [[Legend of the Red Dragon]]. It is an entirely text oriented game that is based on a [[click and play]] method, each navigation taking you to the next part of the game. Legend of the Green Dragon (also referred to at LotGD) is an [[open source]] game that allows any aspiring [[web developer]] to customer and create their own version of the game within the [[PHP]] language. This is currently maintained by www.dragonprime.net.<ref>Dragonprime[http://www.dragonprime.net]</ref>

{{Infobox VG
|title= Legend of the Green Dragon
|image= [[Image:]]
|caption= Homepage for Legend of the Green Dragon
|developer= Gameport
|publisher= [[Dragonprime]]
|distributor= Gameport
|designer= gameport
|series=
|engine= LotGD
|version= 1.0.6+classic
|released= October 2001
|genre= [[Computer role-playing game|RPG]]
|modes= [[MUD]]
|platforms= Browser, java
|ratings= ESRB, website requires 13+
|media= Web
|requirements= [[Web browser]]
|input= [[Mouse (computing)|Mouse]] and/or keyboard for quick click
}}

===== Other Games using the same engine =====

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Name
! Language
! Version
|-
| [[http://lotgd.net|MightyE's CLASSIC Server -- http://lotgd.net]]
| English
| 1.0.6+Classic
|-
| [[http://logd.dragoncat.net|Dragoncat.Net LoGD server -- Join the Fun!]]
| English
| 1.0.6+classic+jt+ext
|-
|[[http://www.improbableisland.com|Improbable Island: the silliest PBBG you'll ever play.]]
|English
|1.1.1. Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Shinobi Legends - Anime - Manga - Naruto RPG by Neji
|English
|1.2.2 +nb Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO L'unico TUTTO Italiano
|Italian
|0.9.7(#ITA#) OGSI Version
|-
|Stadt der Lust - ein deutscher LoGD Server ab 18 Jahren.Hier gibt es viel z
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER
|-
|Ein lustiger Coldmirror-Server
|German 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
|-
|Die Wälder von Alvion
| German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|GothMania - The deadliest of sins
|English
|-
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|Harry Potter Online! Same Game, New Style!
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Legends Of Fargoth Trete ein in eine geniale Welt mit riesiger Communit
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Moderner Server - Wechseln zwischen Neuzeit und Mittelalter Der Mythos von Monogh
|German
| 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V.3)
|-
|-:::[ POLSKA LEGENDA ZIELONEGO SMOKA S1 ]:::-
|
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|La Légende Du Dragon Vert VERSION FRANCAISE
|French
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Einer der ältesten deutschen LogD Server mit unzähligen einzigartigen Erwei
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Plüschdrachen Edition
|-
|Legend of Bleach Anime - Manga - RPG by Neji
|English
| 1.2.1 +nb Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO Server GDR MONOutente
|Italian
| 0.9.7(#ITA#) OGSI Version
|-
|Rollenspiel-Server der besonderen Art! Über 6 Jahre online!
| German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) An Daingean-Edition
|-
| Players needed...lots of fun modules...friendly staff
|Englsih
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Einzigartiger RP-Server mit exklusiver Spielwelt. Über 6 Jahre im Netz.
|German
| 1.2.1 +nb Edition
|-
|Schicksal von Nuya! Der Kampf gegen die Magier im Nebel!
|German
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Bulgarian LoGD Server
|Bulgrain
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Willkommen in Mo`9rphe`9us Welt Simahr, RPG ist hier erwünscht
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Morpheus Edition
|-
|Shacentra, Jahr 2145, Zukunftsserver der den Inhalt nach eurem RP gestaltet
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Shacentra-Edition by Rook
|-
|Dardanos, ein aktiver Mittelalter-Fantasy Server mit RPG und Level System
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|The Legend of Nathrynn
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Die 'Osomyr-Edition'. Entdecke Eluyan und seine Geheimnisse..
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|``gWyndoria: RP-Levelsystem oder Waldkämpfe, 2-Stunden-Rhytmus mit Realda
|German|
0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V3)
|-
|Valyria lädt ein... (rpg erwünscht)
|German
| 0.9.7+jt (GER) DS/V2.5 Valyria Edition 1.39
|-
|Ein deutscher LoGD-Server
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Die Legend of the Discworld Dragon widmet sich ganz der Scheibenwelt.
|German
| Unknown
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon - Scheibenwelt Edition |
|German
| Unknown
|-
|*** VAMPIRJÄGER GESUCHT!!! ***
|German
| 0.9.7+jt(Deutsch) - Obsidia Edition
|-
|* `8~ Willkommen in Alhouette `8~ * `8 ... wir freuen uns auf dich
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|La Leggenda del Drago Verde ITA
|Italian
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|@}-,-´>- Das Gildenhaus LotGD Deutscher RP Server -<´-,-{@
|German
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|`9Soul of the black Dragon - Neuer, aufstrebender Server.
|German
|0.9.7 (SotBD - Version)
|-
|Wintertal - Deutscher RP Server - Hell/Dunkel Konflikt
|German
| Unknown
|-
|LotGD Kerhoat Edition - RPG
|German |0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Naruto Chronicles Manga ~ Anime by Renji Abarai
|English
| 1.2.0 +nb Edition
|-
|Twilight Saga ist ein Anime-Server wo RPG noch groß geschrieben wird
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Bideo vs Anime
|-
|~Adastra~ein Dorf mit vielen lustigen Erweiterungen und nettem RP
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + gruebelz Edition
|-
|Åäèíñòâåííûé ðóññêèé ñåðâåð îäíîé èç ñòàðåéøèõ èãð èíòåðíåòà.
|Russian
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Sarendia, ein Land, `9drei Reiche, drei Herrscher und viele Rassen.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Silienta, ein freundliches Rollenspieldorf mit besonderen Drachen
|German
| 0.9.7(#-Silengine) GER SV-0.5
|-
|http://www.d3jsp.org Tons of Addons, 150 gold/topic you make on forum
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|LoGD von Silvanur - optimiert für Screenreader
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER), Silvanur-Version
|-
|Asmeria - Die Legende beginnt! Neusten Module,feinstes RP,Neuster Server
|
| Asmeria
|-
|LoGD Nereidania
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Pandea Island - Vergessene Welt
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Pandea Island Edition
|-
|Vinestra, Licht-Schatten, Liebe-Hass.Ab 16 Jahre
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|``rReiner RP-Server, basierend auf den Harry Potter Romanen
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Balmora [[User:Cousjava|Cousjava]] ([[User talk:Cousjava|talk]]) Sei dabei, die Stadt neu erstrahlen zu lassen!
|german
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + Balmora Edition
|- |
Legend of Krylia - tauche ein in eine magische Welt voller Gefahren..
|German
| 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
|-
|Outland.FM Offizieler LOGD Server!
|German
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Deutscher RP-Server basierend auf den Comics von Batman!
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Wheel of Time Themed RPG. Come Join Us!
|English
| 1.2.0 +nb +WoT Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon at CJB.NET
|English
|1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Ein reiner RP-server, Vampire, Hexen und Menschen.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Ü-18 ...Drakenstein... aktive Admins, mit Heldenweg !
|German
| 1.0.6
|-
|An Adult themed RPG
|English
| 1.0.0 iDead Edition
|-
|Venéziâ- Eroticserver---ab 18.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Ein Server der viel wert auf RPG legt und viel Einzigartiges besitzt SavaratKyra
Raccoon-City -ab 18 Jahre!
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Moskau City - Rp-Server, basierend auf der Waechter-Tetralogie von Sergej L
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Verirrst du dich im Dschungel der Großstadt?
|German
| 0.9.7+jt Trafay (GER)
|-
|Die mystischen Wälder von Lauron ``l*freundlicher, hilfsbereiter Server*
|German| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition |-|
`8Esgorath `8- RP-Server - im 18. Jhdt - `8mit freundlichem Team! |German| 0.9.7 (DE) Esgorath - Version
|-
| Dragon Legacy.. Create Your Own Legacy Today!
|English
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Legend of Aljerer , an Australian themed LoTGD , make new friends and have
|English
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|AlteredStateRPG - we're back!
|English
|1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|[[User:Cousjava|Cousjava]] ([[User talk:Cousjava|talk]])Land of Unicorns[[User:Cousjava|Cousjava]] ([[User talk:Cousjava|talk]]) Serious RPG D&D Style[[User:Cousjava|Cousjava]] ([[User talk:Cousjava|talk]])TARKENNA
|English
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Ara`8ndil 12 Spieltage viele Extras (Farm,Schiff,Piraten 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
MaZice's Legend of the Green Dragon [Spanish!] 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
`9Legends of Falathron [ LoF ] - `9Deutscher Server mit hohem RP-Ni 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) LoF - The Four Elements (Version 2.1)
°oO Nani Oia Oo° Inseln, wert auf RPG & Community! Nani Oia 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Version
ComfortablyDumb: Fast days, lots of turns, enhanced PvP, excellent donation 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
~*Ein gemütlicher kleiner LotGD Server mit netten Leuten*~ 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
`8>>Gr`9enzs`8tadt Ha`9rava`8nia<< `8- Willkommen in unserer Welt 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + Haravania Edition
Unique LoGD Aus server:elemental battles,crafting,magic,stealing+more 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Medieval Quest Dragon Game 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Ein Server im Japanisch- und Asiatischen Style mitten im Höhepunkt der Ninj 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + `JL`Mege`Mn`Jd of Y`Mosu`Mr`Ja
Der Phoenix hat sich aus der Asche erhoben! 0.9.7 (GER) Phoenix edition
Welcome to Kitsune Crossing, an RP server. Custom Mods. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
`9Ein junger RP-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Legend of the Pink Bunny (German) Snailshell/0.7.12
Das LotGD der Dunkelheit lebt neu auf, bist du den Herausforderungen gewa 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
Server von T.L., deutsch, mit vielen Addons, würde mich über Mitspieler fre 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Komm in die Stadt Andunas! 0.9.7 cdb Edition
Hogwarts Now 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Eranya - Ein Dorf, dessen Geschichte noch geschrieben wird... 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
DragonPrime.net's Live Game - always the newest code 1.2.0 Dragonprime Edition Pre-Alpha 4
Vana'Diel.eu Rp-Server Ein kleiner Server mit ein paar Add 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Vana'Diel.eu Rp-Server
Legends of Azra - Destiny calls you. Will you come? 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Tritt ein und erkunde die Geheimnisse der Nebel von Mystara 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Die Nebel von Mystara
Land of Dragonkill - mit vielen Specials und Addons für den Spielspaß Dragonkill V3.5
Cursed Valley //Ein deutscher -Neuzeit- LoGD-Server mit vielen Rassen u 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Aulus-Web LoGD Server 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Unique Modules and game play www.gothicgame.co.uk. 1.2.2 +nb Edition daily built snapshot
Bath - Ein reiner RP-Server im England des 19.Jahrhunderts...kein Fantasy 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein atemberaubenter Server! Schaus dir an! LoGD 0.9.7 +jt ext (GER) 4+
Lodoria, Fantasy RPG-Server. Erstelle jede Rasse, die du möchtest. 0.9.7 (Anderswelt Edition 3.0) GER
Die Schildkr 1.0.6
Phanatos-LoGD, für alle ``RTräumer und ``RSpinner. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Syrenia ist ein RP-Lastiger lotgd Server ohne viel Schnickschnack. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Kleiner Server, mit vielen Extras. 24 Stunden-Tag (alle 2h eine "Rast" 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO L'unico TUTTO Italiano 1.0.6
CANADA - A Strange Land Under Campbellford 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
[SoA] Lost Chapters - Erlebe das vergessene Zeitalter neu 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Maddrio Village - modded heavy - fun game! 0.9.7+jt
Kalisiin's Empire - The Site Built BY Players...For Players!! 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
<::::::::::)xxxo Legend Of Six oxxx(::::::::::> 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
*~*~*Wizard Realm*~*~* 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Sleepy Hollow 2081. Drachen zerstörten die Welt, bau du sie wieder auf. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
the Fire of the red Dragon - ein kleiner aufstrebender Server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Deadbabies's LoGD Server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
A slow paced LotGD realm, which favours strategic play over fast DKing. 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
The Village BBS presents LotgD!!! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
~* Edahnien Logd spiel das Spiel mit dem Drachen~ 0.9.7 (Dt) Edahnien Version (EV 0.9)
----->>> RPGForumsOnline.com : LotGD, forums and role-plays < 1.0.6
The Darkened Lands - The darkness comes. 1.2.2 +nb +mc
`9Ein junger RP-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Legend of Ayos ~ RP-Server mit netter Community ~ Sei dabei! 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) DSV/2.5 | AV/1.0
Deutscher LoGD-Server mit einzigartigen Extras, offen für neue Spieler 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition + slixe ext
Sieben Mächte - Klassisches Fantasy-RP für Erwachsene. Kein Erotik-Server 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
-:::[ POLSKA LEGENDA ZIELONEGO SMOKA S2 ]:::- 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
---==== MMBS LOGD SERVER ====--- 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
``V-=Fairie ``lGlen``V=- 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Legends of the Village Lahra and the Green Dragon 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Moonlight's Reflection 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Broskova - Stadt der Vampire. Scheut Ihr das Licht? Sucht Ihr die Finsterni 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Kommt und spielt auf alagos :) wir brauchen wieder eine große, stolze und f 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Der etwas andere LotgD Server ^^ Unkonventionell, aber nett. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Mo`9ndlicht , RPG Server mit vielen Tieren und vielen Rassen. 0.9.7 Mondlicht (GER)
!!! Kelorna !!! 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Silianas Wälder laden dich zum Abenteur ein. 0.9.7 Via Silianae ext 3(GER)
--- verfluchtes kleines Dorf namens Ithil --- 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
» Stabiler Server ~ Aktive Community ~ Gutes RP « 0.9.7 (DE) Dragnir Version
The Boostcruising RPG Community 1.0.6
LOTGD @ blackgate.us - Dedicated server, come play here! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Wüstenstadt Larenzia lädt ein 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
LoGD for ennev.com and telnet://mtlgeek.synchro.net 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
LoGD server for Kiwis!! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Zwar noch im Aufbau, aber es lohnt sich vorbeizuschaun: $Cerion - D 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Cerion Edition
@}--->--- Mystical University World @}--->--- 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
@->-- Dorf Dracma --<-@ 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Weiss Kreuz Ein Neuzeit LotGD - Nette User 0.9.7 (GER) Weiss Kreuz
Rpg LOGD Server. Viele Addons 1 Tag hat 1STD und 40 WK's 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server El Stablo Edition
Neo Illuminati: Dreamland - Bring down the New World Order! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
LotGD.de Einer der größten Server weltweit.Über 5 Jahre online.Wirklich ein 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Land des keltischen Zwillingsdrachen 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
A new Community Looking to expand 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Quest for the Fuzzy Rabit - a differant version 0.9.7 (Rabbit)
anpera.net/logd - dienstältester deutscher LoGD Server 0.9.7+jt DE v4
Harry Potter Live The most unique Harry Potter Rpg you will find. 1.2.0 +nb Edition
Die Legenden von ALTHEA - Jagd nach dem grünen Drachen [netCOMM Server] 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Die Welt von Dioptas, Antara und Omar 0.9.7 Antara LotrD -DE-
A Fire Themed LoGD. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Mer`8ydiâ- Die fliegenden `8Inseln 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
LoGD Game with a "Lord of the Rings" theme. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Die Legende von Lerunia (Deutscher Server) ~~ JETZT MITSPIELEN! 1.1 Lerunia Mastering
C`8haos Edition, besuche Grandia und erkunde ihre Geheimnisse. Chaos Edition - LoGD 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) 3
Das Inselreich Mimyrniel - Beginne ein Leben zwischen den Welten 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
Freakboard.de 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) komplett DEUTSCH 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
288 turns per day! A turn every 5 minutes! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
das gelobte Land Hanneshausen 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) extended herrhannes edition
Armana - Das Tal der Könige - deutscher RPG + Level Server - mit 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Adalir Sehr guter Server für RP- und Levelspieler. 0.9.7(AV) Adalir Version (DE)
Ha`9fenstadt Exp`9onia `8- Erkunde mit uns die Meere 0.9.7 + Exponia Edition
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Delriada - Viele Völker - Eine Welt -freundliches RPG 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Becky's Wildlife and Fantasy Art 1.0.6
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server jede Stunde ein Spieltag 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Warrior BBS's Lord of the Green Dragon 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
My Green Dragon 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Medieval Quest Dragon Game Unknown
Lemony-Snicket Edition; Ein deutscher LoGD-Server mit vielen Extras 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein kleiner freundlicher Server/24Spielt. pro Tag/20Rassen/RP erwünscht 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Welcome to the StolenLan Home of the great capital city of Slanberg 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Polski serwer gry LOTGD na serwerze serwisu Dobra-Gra.pl 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
a Sci-Fi / robot themed LoGD server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
-=Xen23.Kicks-Ass.Net=- Skara Town LoGD, Private WoW Server, Forums+Web-IRC 1.2.1 +nb Edition
a fun server to play logd on 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Gizbug is back, bigger, better, and more fun than ever! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Shack BBS - Come join the fight! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
o==[]==>Mithra<==[]==oCome and Join us if you Dare 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
LoTGD set in Roger Zelazny's Amber. The game setup is still in progress 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
A Naruto (Anime/Manga) based LoTGD 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Ladania, tritt ein und werde Teil einer Legende 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Nekroun's Gaming Server Many, Many Mods 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
UMK: Online LoGD Server - New content added regularly 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
<------------<<< Legend of the Silver Dragon oxxxx(:::::::::> 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Fârthen Dúr - Das Reich der Raben // RPG-Server // CS mit Verifizierung erl Fârthen Dúr Version 1.0 Beta
Another LoGD Server 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-|Integrated Chat Rooms, Coder Admin, Fast =>
|English
|1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition

|}<ref>[http://lotgd.net/logdnet.php?op=list&c=10-142146]</ref><references/>

[[Category:Video games]]
[[Category:Open source games]]

Legend of the Green Dragon

2010-05-04T19:11:06Z

Cousjava: Added other games based on this. NB: This has not finished being organised in the table.

====== Legend of the Green Dragon ======

'''Legend of the Green Dragon''' is a web based variation of the popular [[computer game]] [[Legend of the Red Dragon]]. It is an entirely text oriented game that is based on a [[click and play]] method, each navigation taking you to the next part of the game. Legend of the Green Dragon (also referred to at LotGD) is an [[open source]] game that allows any aspiring [[web developer]] to customer and create their own version of the game within the [[PHP]] language. This is currently maintained by www.dragonprime.net.<ref>Dragonprime[http://www.dragonprime.net]</ref?

{{Infobox VG
|title= Legend of the Green Dragon
|image= [[Image:]]
|caption= Homepage for Legend of the Green Dragon
|developer= Gameport
|publisher= [[Dragonprime]]
|distributor= Gameport
|designer= gameport
|series=
|engine= LotGD
|version= 1.0.6+classic
|released= October 2001
|genre= [[Computer role-playing game|RPG]]
|modes= [[MUD]]
|platforms= Browser, java
|ratings= ESRB, website requires 13+
|media= Web
|requirements= [[Web browser]]
|input= [[Mouse (computing)|Mouse]] and/or keyboard for quick click
}}

===== Other Games using the same engine =====

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Name
! Language
! Version
|-
| [[http://lotgd.net|MightyE's CLASSIC Server -- http://lotgd.net]]
| English
| 1.0.6+Classic
|-
| [[http://logd.dragoncat.net|Dragoncat.Net LoGD server -- Join the Fun!]]
| English
| 1.0.6+classic+jt+ext
|-
|[[http://www.improbableisland.com|Improbable Island: the silliest PBBG you'll ever play.]]
|English
|1.1.1. Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Shinobi Legends - Anime - Manga - Naruto RPG by Neji
|English
|1.2.2 +nb Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO L'unico TUTTO Italiano
|Italian
|0.9.7(#ITA#) OGSI Version
|-
|Stadt der Lust - ein deutscher LoGD Server ab 18 Jahren.Hier gibt es viel z
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER
|-
|Ein lustiger Coldmirror-Server
|German 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
|-
|Die Wälder von Alvion
| German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|GothMania - The deadliest of sins
|English
|-
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|Harry Potter Online! Same Game, New Style!
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Legends Of Fargoth Trete ein in eine geniale Welt mit riesiger Communit
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Moderner Server - Wechseln zwischen Neuzeit und Mittelalter Der Mythos von Monogh
|German
| 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V.3)
|-
|-:::[ POLSKA LEGENDA ZIELONEGO SMOKA S1 ]:::-
|
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|La Légende Du Dragon Vert VERSION FRANCAISE
|French
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Einer der ältesten deutschen LogD Server mit unzähligen einzigartigen Erwei
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Plüschdrachen Edition
|-
|Legend of Bleach Anime - Manga - RPG by Neji
|English
| 1.2.1 +nb Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO Server GDR MONOutente
|Italian
| 0.9.7(#ITA#) OGSI Version
|-
|Rollenspiel-Server der besonderen Art! Über 6 Jahre online!
| German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) An Daingean-Edition
|-
| Players needed...lots of fun modules...friendly staff
|Englsih
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Einzigartiger RP-Server mit exklusiver Spielwelt. Über 6 Jahre im Netz.
|German
| 1.2.1 +nb Edition
|-
|Schicksal von Nuya! Der Kampf gegen die Magier im Nebel!
|German
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Bulgarian LoGD Server
|Bulgrain
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Willkommen in Mo`9rphe`9us Welt Simahr, RPG ist hier erwünscht
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Morpheus Edition
|-
|Shacentra, Jahr 2145, Zukunftsserver der den Inhalt nach eurem RP gestaltet
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Shacentra-Edition by Rook
|-
|Dardanos, ein aktiver Mittelalter-Fantasy Server mit RPG und Level System
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|The Legend of Nathrynn
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Die 'Osomyr-Edition'. Entdecke Eluyan und seine Geheimnisse..
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|``gWyndoria: RP-Levelsystem oder Waldkämpfe, 2-Stunden-Rhytmus mit Realda
|German|
0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V3)
|-
|Valyria lädt ein... (rpg erwünscht)
|German
| 0.9.7+jt (GER) DS/V2.5 Valyria Edition 1.39
|-
|Ein deutscher LoGD-Server
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Die Legend of the Discworld Dragon widmet sich ganz der Scheibenwelt.
|German
| Unknown
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon - Scheibenwelt Edition |
|German
| Unknown
|-
|*** VAMPIRJÄGER GESUCHT!!! ***
|German
| 0.9.7+jt(Deutsch) - Obsidia Edition
|-
|* `8~ Willkommen in Alhouette `8~ * `8 ... wir freuen uns auf dich
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|La Leggenda del Drago Verde ITA
|Italian
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|@}-,-´>- Das Gildenhaus LotGD Deutscher RP Server -<´-,-{@
|German
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|`9Soul of the black Dragon - Neuer, aufstrebender Server.
|German
|0.9.7 (SotBD - Version)
|-
|Wintertal - Deutscher RP Server - Hell/Dunkel Konflikt
|German
| Unknown
|-
|LotGD Kerhoat Edition - RPG
|German |0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Naruto Chronicles Manga ~ Anime by Renji Abarai
|English
| 1.2.0 +nb Edition
|-
|Twilight Saga ist ein Anime-Server wo RPG noch groß geschrieben wird
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Bideo vs Anime
|-
|~Adastra~ein Dorf mit vielen lustigen Erweiterungen und nettem RP
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + gruebelz Edition
|-
|Åäèíñòâåííûé ðóññêèé ñåðâåð îäíîé èç ñòàðåéøèõ èãð èíòåðíåòà.
|Russian
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Sarendia, ein Land, `9drei Reiche, drei Herrscher und viele Rassen.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Silienta, ein freundliches Rollenspieldorf mit besonderen Drachen
|German
| 0.9.7(#-Silengine) GER SV-0.5
|-
|http://www.d3jsp.org Tons of Addons, 150 gold/topic you make on forum
|English
| 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|LoGD von Silvanur - optimiert für Screenreader
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER), Silvanur-Version
|-
|Asmeria - Die Legende beginnt! Neusten Module,feinstes RP,Neuster Server
|
| Asmeria
|-
|LoGD Nereidania
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Pandea Island - Vergessene Welt
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Pandea Island Edition
|-
|Vinestra, Licht-Schatten, Liebe-Hass.Ab 16 Jahre
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|``rReiner RP-Server, basierend auf den Harry Potter Romanen
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Balmora ~~~ Sei dabei, die Stadt neu erstrahlen zu lassen!
|german
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + Balmora Edition
|- |
Legend of Krylia - tauche ein in eine magische Welt voller Gefahren..
|German
| 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
|-
|Outland.FM Offizieler LOGD Server!
|German
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Deutscher RP-Server basierend auf den Comics von Batman!
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Wheel of Time Themed RPG. Come Join Us!
|English
| 1.2.0 +nb +WoT Edition
|-
|Legend of the Green Dragon at CJB.NET
|English
|1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Ein reiner RP-server, Vampire, Hexen und Menschen.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Ü-18 ...Drakenstein... aktive Admins, mit Heldenweg !
|German
| 1.0.6
|-
|An Adult themed RPG
|English
| 1.0.0 iDead Edition
|-
|Venéziâ- Eroticserver---ab 18.
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Ein Server der viel wert auf RPG legt und viel Einzigartiges besitzt SavaratKyra
Raccoon-City -ab 18 Jahre!
|German
| 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Moskau City - Rp-Server, basierend auf der Waechter-Tetralogie von Sergej L
|German
|0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
|-
|Verirrst du dich im Dschungel der Großstadt?
|German
| 0.9.7+jt Trafay (GER)
|-
|Die mystischen Wälder von Lauron ``l*freundlicher, hilfsbereiter Server*
|German| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition |-|
`8Esgorath `8- RP-Server - im 18. Jhdt - `8mit freundlichem Team! |German| 0.9.7 (DE) Esgorath - Version
|-
| Dragon Legacy.. Create Your Own Legacy Today!
|English
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|Legend of Aljerer , an Australian themed LoTGD , make new friends and have
|English
| 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|AlteredStateRPG - we're back!
|English
|1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-
|~~~Land of Unicorns~~~ Serious RPG D&D Style~~~TARKENNA
|English
| 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Ara`8ndil 12 Spieltage viele Extras (Farm,Schiff,Piraten 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
MaZice's Legend of the Green Dragon [Spanish!] 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
`9Legends of Falathron [ LoF ] - `9Deutscher Server mit hohem RP-Ni 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) LoF - The Four Elements (Version 2.1)
°oO Nani Oia Oo° Inseln, wert auf RPG & Community! Nani Oia 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Version
ComfortablyDumb: Fast days, lots of turns, enhanced PvP, excellent donation 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
~*Ein gemütlicher kleiner LotGD Server mit netten Leuten*~ 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
`8>>Gr`9enzs`8tadt Ha`9rava`8nia<< `8- Willkommen in unserer Welt 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + Haravania Edition
Unique LoGD Aus server:elemental battles,crafting,magic,stealing+more 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Medieval Quest Dragon Game 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Ein Server im Japanisch- und Asiatischen Style mitten im Höhepunkt der Ninj 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) + `JL`Mege`Mn`Jd of Y`Mosu`Mr`Ja
Der Phoenix hat sich aus der Asche erhoben! 0.9.7 (GER) Phoenix edition
Welcome to Kitsune Crossing, an RP server. Custom Mods. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
`9Ein junger RP-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Legend of the Pink Bunny (German) Snailshell/0.7.12
Das LotGD der Dunkelheit lebt neu auf, bist du den Herausforderungen gewa 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
Server von T.L., deutsch, mit vielen Addons, würde mich über Mitspieler fre 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Komm in die Stadt Andunas! 0.9.7 cdb Edition
Hogwarts Now 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Eranya - Ein Dorf, dessen Geschichte noch geschrieben wird... 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
DragonPrime.net's Live Game - always the newest code 1.2.0 Dragonprime Edition Pre-Alpha 4
Vana'Diel.eu Rp-Server Ein kleiner Server mit ein paar Add 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Vana'Diel.eu Rp-Server
Legends of Azra - Destiny calls you. Will you come? 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Tritt ein und erkunde die Geheimnisse der Nebel von Mystara 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Die Nebel von Mystara
Land of Dragonkill - mit vielen Specials und Addons für den Spielspaß Dragonkill V3.5
Cursed Valley //Ein deutscher -Neuzeit- LoGD-Server mit vielen Rassen u 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Aulus-Web LoGD Server 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Unique Modules and game play www.gothicgame.co.uk. 1.2.2 +nb Edition daily built snapshot
Bath - Ein reiner RP-Server im England des 19.Jahrhunderts...kein Fantasy 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein atemberaubenter Server! Schaus dir an! LoGD 0.9.7 +jt ext (GER) 4+
Lodoria, Fantasy RPG-Server. Erstelle jede Rasse, die du möchtest. 0.9.7 (Anderswelt Edition 3.0) GER
Die Schildkr 1.0.6
Phanatos-LoGD, für alle ``RTräumer und ``RSpinner. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Syrenia ist ein RP-Lastiger lotgd Server ohne viel Schnickschnack. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Kleiner Server, mit vielen Extras. 24 Stunden-Tag (alle 2h eine "Rast" 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) Dragonslayer Edition V/2.5
Legend of the Green Dragon in ITALIANO L'unico TUTTO Italiano 1.0.6
CANADA - A Strange Land Under Campbellford 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
[SoA] Lost Chapters - Erlebe das vergessene Zeitalter neu 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Maddrio Village - modded heavy - fun game! 0.9.7+jt
Kalisiin's Empire - The Site Built BY Players...For Players!! 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
<::::::::::)xxxo Legend Of Six oxxx(::::::::::> 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
*~*~*Wizard Realm*~*~* 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Sleepy Hollow 2081. Drachen zerstörten die Welt, bau du sie wieder auf. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
the Fire of the red Dragon - ein kleiner aufstrebender Server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Deadbabies's LoGD Server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
A slow paced LotGD realm, which favours strategic play over fast DKing. 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
The Village BBS presents LotgD!!! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
~* Edahnien Logd spiel das Spiel mit dem Drachen~ 0.9.7 (Dt) Edahnien Version (EV 0.9)
----->>> RPGForumsOnline.com : LotGD, forums and role-plays < 1.0.6
The Darkened Lands - The darkness comes. 1.2.2 +nb +mc
`9Ein junger RP-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Legend of Ayos ~ RP-Server mit netter Community ~ Sei dabei! 0.9.7+jt ext(GER) DSV/2.5 | AV/1.0
Deutscher LoGD-Server mit einzigartigen Extras, offen für neue Spieler 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition + slixe ext
Sieben Mächte - Klassisches Fantasy-RP für Erwachsene. Kein Erotik-Server 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
-:::[ POLSKA LEGENDA ZIELONEGO SMOKA S2 ]:::- 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
---==== MMBS LOGD SERVER ====--- 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
``V-=Fairie ``lGlen``V=- 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Legends of the Village Lahra and the Green Dragon 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Moonlight's Reflection 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Broskova - Stadt der Vampire. Scheut Ihr das Licht? Sucht Ihr die Finsterni 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Kommt und spielt auf alagos :) wir brauchen wieder eine große, stolze und f 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Der etwas andere LotgD Server ^^ Unkonventionell, aber nett. 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Mo`9ndlicht , RPG Server mit vielen Tieren und vielen Rassen. 0.9.7 Mondlicht (GER)
!!! Kelorna !!! 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Silianas Wälder laden dich zum Abenteur ein. 0.9.7 Via Silianae ext 3(GER)
--- verfluchtes kleines Dorf namens Ithil --- 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
» Stabiler Server ~ Aktive Community ~ Gutes RP « 0.9.7 (DE) Dragnir Version
The Boostcruising RPG Community 1.0.6
LOTGD @ blackgate.us - Dedicated server, come play here! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Wüstenstadt Larenzia lädt ein 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
LoGD for ennev.com and telnet://mtlgeek.synchro.net 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
LoGD server for Kiwis!! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Zwar noch im Aufbau, aber es lohnt sich vorbeizuschaun: $Cerion - D 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) Cerion Edition
@}--->--- Mystical University World @}--->--- 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
@->-- Dorf Dracma --<-@ 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Weiss Kreuz Ein Neuzeit LotGD - Nette User 0.9.7 (GER) Weiss Kreuz
Rpg LOGD Server. Viele Addons 1 Tag hat 1STD und 40 WK's 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server El Stablo Edition
Neo Illuminati: Dreamland - Bring down the New World Order! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
LotGD.de Einer der größten Server weltweit.Über 5 Jahre online.Wirklich ein 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Land des keltischen Zwillingsdrachen 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
A new Community Looking to expand 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
Quest for the Fuzzy Rabit - a differant version 0.9.7 (Rabbit)
anpera.net/logd - dienstältester deutscher LoGD Server 0.9.7+jt DE v4
Harry Potter Live The most unique Harry Potter Rpg you will find. 1.2.0 +nb Edition
Die Legenden von ALTHEA - Jagd nach dem grünen Drachen [netCOMM Server] 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Die Welt von Dioptas, Antara und Omar 0.9.7 Antara LotrD -DE-
A Fire Themed LoGD. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Mer`8ydiâ- Die fliegenden `8Inseln 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
LoGD Game with a "Lord of the Rings" theme. 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Die Legende von Lerunia (Deutscher Server) ~~ JETZT MITSPIELEN! 1.1 Lerunia Mastering
C`8haos Edition, besuche Grandia und erkunde ihre Geheimnisse. Chaos Edition - LoGD 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) 3
Das Inselreich Mimyrniel - Beginne ein Leben zwischen den Welten 0.9.7(Dragonslayer Edition V/3)
Freakboard.de 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) komplett DEUTSCH 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
288 turns per day! A turn every 5 minutes! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
das gelobte Land Hanneshausen 0.9.7+jt ext (GER) extended herrhannes edition
Armana - Das Tal der Könige - deutscher RPG + Level Server - mit 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Adalir Sehr guter Server für RP- und Levelspieler. 0.9.7(AV) Adalir Version (DE)
Ha`9fenstadt Exp`9onia `8- Erkunde mit uns die Meere 0.9.7 + Exponia Edition
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Delriada - Viele Völker - Eine Welt -freundliches RPG 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Becky's Wildlife and Fantasy Art 1.0.6
Ein deutscher LoGD-Server jede Stunde ein Spieltag 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Warrior BBS's Lord of the Green Dragon 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
My Green Dragon 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Medieval Quest Dragon Game Unknown
Lemony-Snicket Edition; Ein deutscher LoGD-Server mit vielen Extras 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Ein kleiner freundlicher Server/24Spielt. pro Tag/20Rassen/RP erwünscht 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Welcome to the StolenLan Home of the great capital city of Slanberg 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Polski serwer gry LOTGD na serwerze serwisu Dobra-Gra.pl 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
a Sci-Fi / robot themed LoGD server 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
-=Xen23.Kicks-Ass.Net=- Skara Town LoGD, Private WoW Server, Forums+Web-IRC 1.2.1 +nb Edition
a fun server to play logd on 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
Gizbug is back, bigger, better, and more fun than ever! 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Shack BBS - Come join the fight! 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
o==[]==>Mithra<==[]==oCome and Join us if you Dare 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
LoTGD set in Roger Zelazny's Amber. The game setup is still in progress 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
A Naruto (Anime/Manga) based LoTGD 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Ladania, tritt ein und werde Teil einer Legende 0.9.7+jt ext (GER)
Nekroun's Gaming Server Many, Many Mods 1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition
UMK: Online LoGD Server - New content added regularly 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
<------------<<< Legend of the Silver Dragon oxxxx(:::::::::> 1.1.1 Dragonprime Edition
Fârthen Dúr - Das Reich der Raben // RPG-Server // CS mit Verifizierung erl Fârthen Dúr Version 1.0 Beta
Another LoGD Server 1.1.2 Dragonprime Edition
|-|Integrated Chat Rooms, Coder Admin, Fast =>
|English
|1.1.0 Dragonprime Edition

|}<ref>[http://lotgd.net/logdnet.php?op=list&c=10-142146]</ref><references/>

[[Category:Video games]]
[[Category:Open source games]]

Legend of the Red Dragon

2010-05-04T18:04:51Z

Cousjava: /* Ports and sequels */

{{For|the unrelated film of the same name|Legend of the Red Dragon (film)}}
[[Image:LegendOfTheRedDragon.gif|thumbnail|The LORD inn menu]]

'''''Legend of the Red Dragon''''' ('''''LORD''''') is a text-based online [[role-playing game]], released in 1989 by [[Robinson Technologies]].<ref name="gamasutra">{{cite web|url=http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070223b/barton_09.shtml|title=The History of Computer Role-Playing Games Part 2: The Golden Age (1985-1993)|author=Barton, Matt|work=Gamasutra|accessdate=2009-07-17}}</ref> ''LORD'' is one of the best known [[BBS door|door games]].<ref name="gamasutra"/><ref name="escapist">{{cite web|url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_160/5093-Sex-and-Dragon-Slaying|title=Sex and Dragon Slaying|author=Marks, Robert B.|work=The Escapist|date=29 Jul 2008|accessdate=2009-07-17}}</ref> The player's goal is to improve his or her skills in order to defeat the Red Dragon which has been attacking the village. The software is compatible with [[DOS]], [[Microsoft Windows]], and [[OS/2]].

==History==
''LORD'' was created by Seth Robinson of [[Robinson Technologies]] and is currently maintained by Michael Preslar. Robinson began to write ''LORD'' in [[Pascal (programming language)|Pascal]] to run on his [[Bulletin board system]]. As he did not have access to other [[BBS door|door game]]s such as ''[[Trade Wars]]'', he needed something that would occasionally bring people back to the BBS. The first version of ''LORD'' only featured the chatting and flirting systems. Over time, Robinson incorporated features that he had seen work well in other games: for example, the restricted number of turns per day, and the concept of random events, came from a futuristic casino game. Eventually ''LORD'' became a mixture of action and romance.<ref name="escapist"/>

Initially only intended to run on his own BBS, Robinson eventually received offers from users who wanted to run it on other systems. After the first sale, word-of-mouth advertising increased its popularity.

''LORD'' was a successful game, and by 1993 many BBSs had active communities of players.<ref name="escapist"/> Over the next few years, [[MUDs]] began to overtake BBS door games as the multiplayer online format of choice,<ref name="escapist"/> and in 1998 Robinson sold the game and its sequel to [[Metropolis Gameport]]. He went on to write other small games for [[IBM PC compatible|PC]] and mobile platforms. His final release of ''LORD'' was version 4.00a.

Metropolis Gameport contracted Michael Preslar on January 8, 2001, to continue the game's development. The most recent version of ''LORD'' (4.08) was released in 2009 (via the DOSEMU patch archive). According to Preslar, further updates to the ''LORD'' software are planned, including a web application and versions for [[Executable and Linkable Format|ELF]]-compatible Linux and Unix systems (completed but available only to beta testers).

==Gameplay==
The premise of ''LORD'' is that a Red Dragon is wreaking havoc in a town where the player has recently arrived. Multiple players compete over a period of weeks to advance their skills and to kill the dragon. In order to achieve this goal, players must face combat to gain experience. Once they have gained enough experience, they must face their master at Turgon's Warrior Training and advance in skill level. Advancement presents stronger enemies and masters; a player must reach level 12, the final level, before challenging Turgon himself and attacking the dragon.

As a BBS game, ''LORD'' uses a text-only interface.<ref name="gamasutra"/> Later versions of ''LORD'' made use of [[Remote imaging protocol|RIP (Remote Imaging Protocol)]] graphics, and required the use of a RIP client to view.

Players select a [[character class]], choosing from among ''Death Knight Skills'', ''Mystical Skills'', and ''Thieving Skills''. While a player is training in a particular skill, s/he is subject to random events in the woods for that particular skill, which provide opportunities for advancement. Eventually, players may master all three skills.

Players can take a certain number of actions every day. Actions could be to fight monsters in the forest, attack other players or to attempt to slay the Red Dragon itself. In addition, every day a player can send a "flirt" to another player character which may range from a shy wink, to sex, to a marriage proposal. Sex may result in contracting sexually transmitted diseases, and female characters might become pregnant.<ref name="escapist"/>

There are three [[non-player character]]s located at the Inn: Seth Able the [[bard]], Violet the [[barmaid]], and the unnamed Bartender. Seth Able the bard will sing a song for a player. Once a day, players can listen to Seth's song and receive a bonus, such as the doubling of one's bank account, or additional forest or player vs. player fight opportunities. The Bartender provides services and information to any warrior who can pay him in gold or gems, but provides nothing for free.

Male players can also flirt with Violet, and female players with Seth Able (named after Robinson<ref name="escapist"/>), in a fashion similar to flirting with other players. Success is based on the player's charm points. A marriage to Violet or Seth may last one day or two months or more; unlike player-player marriages, the software may terminate these bonds at any time. During marriage, offspring are possible, and these bring sometimes surprising benefits to warriors.

''LORD'' allows many players to play simultaneously, in BBSs that support it. This allows real-time player-versus-player battles.

''LORD'' features several in-game [[message board]]s, as well as a limited [[electronic mail]] system, which allow players to converse. Players may use the mail system to send flirtations to other players of the opposite sex, propose trysts, or marriage (only marriages lead to the conception of children).

The registration system let all players play right up until level six, then it wouldn't allow players to get past to level 7 until the program was registered. Users often sent in funds for that very purpose.

===IGMs===
In-Game Modules (IGMs) are small [[plugin|software extensions]] written by third-party developers that add functionality to ''LORD''. A number of these were created and widely distributed. IGM software was first developed on the [[Amiga]], and then ported to [[MS-DOS]].<ref name="gamasutra"/> Some IGMs were written to allow a "cheating" style of game play,{{Citation needed|date=July 2009}} and others have presented bugs or loopholes to be exploited by players.{{Citation needed|date=July 2009}} The current maintainer of the ''LORD'' software, has introduced a scripting language called ''Lady'' in order to allow smoother development of game extensions.{{Citation needed|date=July 2009}}

==Critical reception==
In [[Gamasutra]]'s essay on the history of [[computer role-playing games]], ''LORD'' was considered to be a highly playable and memorable game, with colorful text and humor.<ref name="gamasutra"/> [[The Escapist]] magazine highlighted the way ''LORD'' handled sexuality, which became more mature as Robinson developed the game over the years.<ref name="escapist"/>

==Ports and sequels==
[[Image:LegendOfTheRedDragon2.gif|thumbnail|Exploring a village in LORD II.]]
Robinson developed an official sequel, ''Legend of the Red Dragon II: New World'', in 1992. It featured real-time multiplayer gameplay, with [[ANSI art]] graphics, in a [[Roguelike]]<ref name="gamasutra"/> top-down view. ''LORD II''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> final release came in 1998, before its sale to Metropolis Gameport.

The first ''LORD'' spin-off, ''Tournament LORD'', was written by Robinson. It was a multiplayer version designed for the MBBS/Worldgroup BBS systems.<ref name="escapist"/>

The second port was ''Wildcat Tournament Legend of the Red Dragon'' (WT-LORD), a multi-player version created for [[Wildcat! BBS]] systems, written by Joe Marcelletti. Robinson was impressed with this port and used some of its features in later releases of ''LORD''.<ref name="escapist"/> It was maintained by IceRage Technologies but is now freeware and no longer developed or supported.

''[[Legend of the Green Dragon]]'' is a browser-based game that pays homage to ''LORD''.<ref name="gamasutra"/>

==References==
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== External links ==
* [http://lord.lordlegacy.com/ LORD's Official Website]
* [http://www.rtsoft.com/ Robinson Technologies - Seth Able Robinson's game company]
* [http://www.gameport.com/bbs Metroplis Gameport - Owners of LORD and LORD II]

* [http://lord.nuklear.org/ Nuklear Lord - community forum and multiple player realms]
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