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User talk:Cumulus Clouds

2008-08-07T09:22:34Z

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== Arbitration ==
Gen X is going to arbitration, and you my friend, are invited to attend. [[User:Ledboots|Ledboots]] ([[User talk:Ledboots|talk]]) 12:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==[[Serfdom in Tibet]]==
Yep , the article has problems. But speedy delete is only for the reasons in WP:CSD. (yu are right though that there was no point in prod if its going to be deleted). The only way to go for deletion on this is afd. I am uncertain about the result, & even uncertain about what I will say there myself. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sockpuppets==

Thank you for alerting me about this, I'll see what I can do. Strangely enough, [[User:LaGrandefr]] has not edited in quite a while and even announced on the [[Tibet during the Ming Dynasty]] talk page that he would be leaving English Wikipedia indefinitely. This would be a lie if he's just trolling around under another account, but we'll see.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 20:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just as a point of reference, I believe LaGrandefr's IP address is 195.221.219.142. I say this because during our debate at [[Talk:Ming Dynasty]], it was this IP address that was pushing to have [[:Image:Ming-China1.jpg|LaGrandefr's dubious map]] placed in the Ming Dynasty article in several other Wikipedias, [http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ming-Dynastie&diff=44205028&oldid=43736775 such as German Wikipedia here on March 27]. Hope this helps.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Hahaha! Dude, I just read Foxhunt's comments at [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Foxhunt99]], and I am almost certain that it is the same person as LaGrandefr. They have seemingly identical syntax errors in their sentences and similar use of adjectives.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Also, [[User:Chenyangw]]'s bizarre one-sentence statement as his user page is strikingly similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:LaGrandefr&diff=203025032&oldid=201589326 the first version] of LaGrandefr's user page and [[User talk:LaGrandefr|his present talk page]].--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::If you're up for it, I would suggest that you make another request for checkuser and provide the IP address (i.e. 195.221.219.142) to moderators so that they can quickly verify whether or not LaGrandefr and Chenyangw come from the same source.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought of LaGrandefr too, and wondered if the same person was cooking this new brew up. But I figured, if LGF wanted to sockpuppet, he would probably use his sockpuppets to attack [[Tibet during the Ming Dynasty]] again. What's more, I doubt LGF would be silly enough to think of me as a likely ally in support of keeping the Slavery/Serfdom article. [[User:Bertport|Bertport]] ([[User talk:Bertport|talk]]) 02:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== ESanchez013 ==

I don't really understand what's wrong. I placed the <nowiki>{{userpage}}</nowiki> template. What do you want me to change? I would've appreciated mention of your intention on my talk page. Thanks! Mr. E. Sánchez '''[[User:ESanchez013|Wanna know my story?]]'''/ '''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Share yours with me!]]''' 01:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

==Removal of tags on [[HM Bark Endeavour]]==

Thank you for the message you left [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Petecarney&oldid=216444574] on my talk page.

The reason I have previously removed the multipleissues box is given in the edit summary:

''"removed unhelpful multipleissues box as there was nothing in the talk page to support it"''

It's good [[Wikipedia:Etiquette|Etiquette]] use the edit summary to explain your changes to other editors rather than to use it to demand that no-one else touches them.

If you really think that such a garland of tags is helpful to this article then why not explain your reasoning to the rest of us on the article's talk page? As it stands I can see no benefit in having it there so I'll probably delete it again the next time I contribute to the article.

Better still, why not have a go at improving the article yourself?

The article is rated as B-Class on the assesessment scales of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia|WikiProject Australia]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Shipwrecks|WikiProject Shipwrecks]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships|WikiProject Ships]] so there is clearly an overwhelming consensus that it needs further work.

So go ahead, think about what you can do to make the article better, and [[Wikipedia:Be bold|Be bold]] and help make [[HM Bark Endeavour]] the great article it deserves to be.

[[User:Petecarney|Petecarney]] ([[User talk:Petecarney|talk]]) 12:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks for the revert ==

Thanks for reverting the edits to [[United Airlines]] - with the fact the vandalism wasn't obvious, I was getting a bit worried about hitting the 3 revert rule (hence the edit where I left in the close-to-vandalism content and asked for a revert). Cheers --[[User:Mlaroche|Matt]] ([[User talk:Mlaroche|talk]]) 23:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

==Generation Z Article==
The two sources listed are the NY Times and an Australian Newspaper. These are certainly notable sources and are not blogs as you incorrectly stated. I undid your incorrect undo of me. Please take it to the discussion page lest we get into a revert war.
:*I've responded on your talk page but I don't appreciate the threat of an edit war. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 00:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dihydrogen monoxide hoax ==

I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion on the talk page of the article [[Dihydrogen monoxide hoax]]. I, and at least one other editor, see no need for the tags at the top of the page. I submit that (1) there are multiple references in the article to reliable sources documenting that there is such a hoax, (2) the article does not appear to have been written in an essay-like tone (as one of your tags suggests), and (3) that the article does not contain original research. If you would like to help out, please post a more detailed response on the talk page rather than continuing to edit war on the page. I also ask that you familiarize yourself with the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]], which you are now in violation of. Thank you, [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:How about you help out with the citation style, rather than placing more templates at the top of the page? I find this rather infuriating. See [[WP:POINT]]. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:: Edit warring and five tags at the top of a single article without accompanying talk-page discussion seems disruptive to me. I am going to address the issues as I see fit, and I am then going to remove all of the nag tags. If you want to add them back, then you are going to have to post something on the talk page. Otherwise your editing is clearly disruptive. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't see how [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] applies. We aren't talking about a deletion discussion here. We are talking about whether or not there are any references in the article. Clearly there are, so the template should go. The other templates should be accompanied by a section of the talk page. Please direct your browser to [[Talk:Dihydrogen monoxide]] and use the [[WP:TALK|talk page]]. These are there for a reason you know. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please, take it to the talk page of the article. That is what you should have done to begin with, rather than edit-warring. See [[WP:CON]]. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:I am just as guilty of edit warring as you? Interesting. From where I sit, I am the only one even trying to ''address'' the issues your template raises. Furthermore, the {{tl|unref}} template is not accurate. There are many references in the article, if you would care to scroll down to the '''References''' section. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The article is funny stuff, and appears to be the basis for a mock-serious presentation we had in our office recently. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] ''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]'' 06:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:FWIW I found the article quite interesting and informative. I tried to write a similar article on [[Cephalectomy]] (surgical removal of someone's head) but it got wiped due to lack of references. It is the actual term of course, but hey what can you do? It is good that Wikipedia can inform and be amusing sometimes. [[User:Dyinghappy|Dyinghappy]] ([[User talk:Dyinghappy|talk]]) 05:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::*Spectacular. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 06:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[:Image:Michael Q. Schmidt at wrap party for Yesterday Was A Lie.jpg]] ==

I've started a discussion about Image:Michael Q. Schmidt at wrap party for Yesterday Was A Lie.jpg [[Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_June_19#Image:Michael_Q._Schmidt_at_wrap_party_for_Yesterday_Was_A_Lie.jpg|here]]. Please join in the discussion there. Thanks. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 20:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

== Your reversion of the edit to [[The Gong Show]] ==

Please see my response [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Gong_Show#A_few_minor_tweaks.... here]. Thank you. [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Michael Q. Schmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]) 01:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== Request for input ==

Since you were the one who added them, I thought you should be informed that a discussion is ongoing at [[Talk:Allegations of serfdom in Tibet]] about whether maintainance tags are still necessary. If you're still interested, your input on the changes that have been made -- splitting the article especially -- would be welcome. Cheers, [[User:Gimme danger|Gimme danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 23:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== FYI ==

The prod statement was false. 300 users online at the same time is different to 300 users in total. I don't know if that influences your opinion or not, or the fact it had existed for over 4 years with dozens of contributors and had passed an AFD over 3 years earlier. Was deleted on a PROD that was based on false information, which you seemed to accept as fact. [[User:Dyinghappy|Dyinghappy]] ([[User talk:Dyinghappy|talk]]) 01:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

==RfA thanks==
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[[Image:School.svg |I hope the other [[WP:Administrators|kids]] at [[WP:New admin school |school]] play with me...|thumb|right|140px]]
Thank you for your participation in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Frank|my recent RfA]], which closed successfully. I felt the process was a thorough review of my contributions and my demeanor, and I was very gratified to see how many editors took the time to really see what I'm about and how I can be of help to the project. As a result, some editors changed their views during the discussion, and most expressed specific, detailed points to indicate their opinion (whether it was [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|Has a clue|15px]], [[Image:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg|Too green|15px]], or [[Image:Symbol_neutral_vote.svg|Definite maybe|15px]]).

A number of editors were concerned about my level of experience. I was purposeful in not waiting until a particular benchmark occurred before requesting adminship, because I feel - as many do - that adminship is not a reward and that each case is individual. It is true that I am not the most experienced editor around here, but I appreciate that people dug into my contributions enough to reach the conclusion that I seem to have a [[WP:CLUE|clue]]. Also, the best thing about this particular concern is that experience is something an editor - or administrator - can always get more of, and I'll continue doing that, just as I've been doing. (If I seem a little slow at it, feel free to [[WP:WHACK!|slap me]].)

I am a strong believer in the concept that this project is all about the content, and I'm looking forward to contributing wherever I can. Please [[User talk:Frank |let me know]] if I can be of any help. In the meantime, I'm [[WP:New admin school |off to school]]...

Thanks again!
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== New editor help ==

Thank you for your help so far concerning [[The Rock and Roll Conservatory]]. I noticed that it's marked for deletion and that you saw it as a purely promotional article. If you're willing, I'd appreciate some help in making this article meet the standard guidelines. This article and another are my first attempts at this sort of thing and were experiments in learning the process. Not to encroach on your time, but if possible, I would appreciate some help with the references. I'm not quite sure how to include archived video news coverage in the references section. Could you point me to another page that has this type of reference?

[[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 23:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that you frown upon composing articles based on one's personal knowledge of the subject is understandable. I was using subjects that I know well in an effort to begin learning the Wikipedia system and culture. It's quite overwhelming and the process of learning the code, the guidelines, the culture, and the format is difficult for those of us that wish to contribute. I hope you'll understand that although I used my personal knowledge of the Strange Occurrence and Rock and Roll Conservatory subjects to write articles, I did my best to compose them without bias. The composition of these articles were based on similar articles about similar subjects that somehow seemed to pass through the system even though these similar articles had either no references and/or carried much more commercial bias than those that I composed ([[The Paul Green School of Rock Music]] and [[Amber Pacific]]). Nonetheless, I understand how the bias is even present in me merely attempting to write those articles, let alone what they contained, so I won't debate your reasoning, although I feel it is solidly flawed. That said, my edit to the Scott Hunter article was factually based and added to the accuracy of the article and reflected no bias in the slightest. You reverting the article to a vague and non-accurate state seemed to be more of a vendetta. I'm not sure what I've done to offend you, but you've chosen to take action based on your flawed assumption that I was self-promoting (I am not Joe Wiles) instead of taking action in good faith and asking me about my stance or even improving the article (read [[WP:DP]] Alternatives to Deletion). Your bias against new users was made clear to me when you reverted my edits to the Scott Hunter article. I had made the article more accurate, more factually based, and instead of asking me why, you just went with your assumption. Please refrain from doing so again. [[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 05:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::Do you just want me off Wikipedia? I'll leave and never return again, if that's what you'd like. Cumulus, there are a whole ton of articles without references to specifics across Wikipedia. I can dig up evidence of the involvement of the members of Scott Hunter's last project if you'd like, but if you're going to hound me about them, revert them, and constantly be on my ass, then I'd rather not take part in the process. There are literally millions of articles on Wikipedia with no references to the specifics they claim to be authorities on. Since I don't see you reverting and editing those articles, I can only assume that you're aiming specifically at me and the edits that I make. Please prove me wrong. I'd love to find out that you're just a stickler for the cause and are, indeed, on a mission to clean up Wikipedia's millions of unreferenced claims. You know, as well as I do, that if every single claim, fact, or statement on any article had the necessity of being referenced to a secondary, unbiased, published work, then there would be very, very little information on Wikipedia. Get off my back, man. [[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 07:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Walker (checkers player)]] ==

Could you please take another look at this article? I have added a number of references and I think the article is in much better shape now. Thanks, [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 03:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== WMA article ==

Hi this is just a work in progress. I am getting ready to add references. Please don't delete, or please help with it... —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Breadandsocks|Breadandsocks]] ([[User talk:Breadandsocks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Breadandsocks|contribs]]) 09:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 
Please help make Wiki more constructive, I'm not altering any articles, just adding info to it as I know. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Breadandsocks|Breadandsocks]] ([[User talk:Breadandsocks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Breadandsocks|contribs]]) 09:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 

== Your reversion of my contributions to [[The Gong Show]] ==

Please see my response [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Gong_Show#To_User:Cumulus_Clouds... here]. Thank you. [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Michael Q. Schmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]) 19:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:Hi CC, Can you pin down exactly where MichaelQSchmidt has tried to "write [himself] into an article about a show [he's] appeared in"? I quite frankly don't see it. Thanks! [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 01:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== XKCD & in popular culture ==

In light of the United Airlines in popular culture AFD discussion, I feel you might get a laugh out of [http://xkcd.com/446/ the most recent XKCD]. Cheers --[[User:Mlaroche|Matt]] ([[User talk:Mlaroche|talk]]) 05:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:Randall says it like it's a bad thing. :( --[[User:Kizor|Kiz]][[User_talk:Kizor|o]][[Special:Contributions/Kizor|r]] 11:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Conflict of interest in editing history ==

This notice informs you of a conflict of interest because you contributed to your namesake article [[Cumulus clouds]]. Wikipedia has serious policies to prohibit these types of contributions. Please familiarize yourself with [[WP:CONFLICT]] and [[WP:Autobiography]]. You can handle this situation by declaring an interest or changing your user name. Failure to follow guidelines may be followed up with [[WP:COIN]]. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MaxweIISmarter|MaxweIISmarter]] ([[User talk:MaxweIISmarter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaxweIISmarter|contribs]]) 05:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 
:Sorry to butt in again, but I must quote this. I ''have'' to quote this. May I, please? Full disclosure: my memory's patchy for people but it seems to have you pegged as a deletionist. My modest quote collection is a secret attempt to manipulate editors into loosening up and being less strict, while deletionism depends on strict editorial control, so it will ultimately erode their support. (Muwahahahahahaha!) --20:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::*I disagree with you about being a deletionist, but you can feel free to use whatever you want. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 01:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Kizor|Kizor]], I mostly agree with you; I think he ''jumps the gun'' with reverting my edits. Of his reverts on my contributions (which he says ''[[Talk:Northwest Airlines#Non-fatal Accident|it's becoming a real chore to go back and undo all the changes you've made against consensus and common sense]])'', I think about only 25 percent are justified. Recently, I'm finding that I have to exert a lot more effort on the discussion pages to try to build consensus as Cumulus Clouds carefully reviews my edits. --Inetpup:o3 [[User_talk:Inetpup|⌈〒⌋]]▰[[User:Inetpup|⌈♎⌋]] 03:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== ITN ==

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== OTRS? ==

What is OTRS? - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:nevermind... I found it, and have sent an email... thanks for the recommendation... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 20:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

==Mediation rejects==
Is it true you've rejected two mediation offers in regards to the issues regarding you and BQZip? — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 23:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:*BQZip01 has never, to my knowledge, requested mediation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 23:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== Removed prod from [[Mexican Werewolf in Texas]], seems to satisfy [[WP:MOVIE]] ==

I have removed the {{tl|prod}} tag from [[Mexican Werewolf in Texas]], which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{tl|prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks!  -- '''[[User:Atama|Atama]][[User talk:Atama|chat]]''' 18:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Re: [[:Image:Academia politics.png]] ==

I'm not going to edit-war with you over this; I'll let another administrator take a look and see what they think. However, I would point out that per [[Wikipedia:Vandalism#NOT]], violations of the neutral point of view policy are not considered vandalism. You might try [[WP:IFD|Images and media for deletion]] instead, to allow for some discussion of the image before deletion. ([[User:ESkog|ESkog]])([[User talk:ESkog|Talk]]) 17:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

==DRV of an IfD==
I'm advising all participants in the [[Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_July_17#Image:Indiana_Jones_and_the_Cross_of_Coronado.jpg|IfD discussion for the Image Indiana Jones and the Cross of Coronado.jpg]] that a subsequent DRV [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July_25#Image:Indiana_Jones_and_the_Cross_of_Coronado.jpg| was filed here]]. Your participation is welcome. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] [[User talk:Dreadstar|†]] 01:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

==Situation==
CC, Franamax, and BQZip01, how is the situation that was discussed on my talk page coming along? — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 21:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== EarlyXer.com ==

Can you please explain to me how an external link to a site that is all about Generation X pop culture (EarlyXer.com) is considered spam on the Generation X article??? [[User:Kkol67|Kkol67]] ([[User talk:Kkol67|talk]]) 02:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

==RfB Thank You spam==
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== adding redirects on TFDs ==

Hello, I'm not very experienced on TFDs, can you give me a bit of advice? I listed the redirects to one of the templates that you nominated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_23&diff=228972855&oldid=228972614]. Is it adequate that I list all the redirects to a template on a TFD, or should I leave the work of finding them to the deleting admin, in order to not clutter the page with links? --[[User:Enric Naval|Enric Naval]] ([[User talk:Enric Naval|talk]]) 07:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Quebec-bashing]] and [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Conspiracy_and_Template:Conspiracy-section|Conspiracy_and_Template]] ==

There is no need to be rude[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_deletion%2FLog%2F2008_July_23&diff=228964133&oldid=228963010]. I've given a rationale for this template's use, in good faith[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_deletion%2FLog%2F2008_July_23&diff=228963010&oldid=228591783]. I've fully acknowledged your concerns, and recognized them as legitimate [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACumulus_Clouds&diff=228963698&oldid=228727191]. Please address these points and engage in discussion instead of accusing me of bad faith. My concerns about the article are duly noted on the discussion page [[Talk:Quebec-bashing]]. Until there is a consensus to remove this template, it is a legitimate tag. If the consensus is to remover this template,I'll gladly abide by this.I am all ears for a clear rationale on alternate templates that do the same job. --[[User:Soulscanner|soulscanner]] ([[User talk:Soulscanner|talk]]) 09:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== afd of [[Political society]] ==

Hi. As a contributor to the first afd of this article you might be interested in the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political society (2nd nomination)]] [[User:Andyjsmith|andy]] ([[User talk:Andyjsmith|talk]]) 23:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Edits to Generation X ==
On [[27 July]], [[2008]] you reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X?diff=228330838 this good faith edit] and added this gratuitous edit summary of '''this list amounts to trivia and doesn't really inform the reader on the subject'''. I undid your change because the previous author's edit conformed to Wikipaedia's policy clearly spelled out in [[WP:EMBED#Lists_within_articles|WP:Embedded lists]]. There was no indiscriminate list of links and nothing even remotely close to trivia. In fact, the so-called list even contained prose. Policy spelled out in [[WP:EMBED#Lists_within_articles|WP:Embedded lists]] clearly states that a "list style may be preferable to a long sequence within a sentence". The editor's text meets this exact criteria; your reversion of his edit does not. Additionally, I introduced multi-column layout to improve readability. I'll be happy to discuss this with you. --[[User:GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF|GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF]] ([[User talk:GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF|talk]]) 09:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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== Arbitration ==
Gen X is going to arbitration, and you my friend, are invited to attend. [[User:Ledboots|Ledboots]] ([[User talk:Ledboots|talk]]) 12:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==[[Serfdom in Tibet]]==
Yep , the article has problems. But speedy delete is only for the reasons in WP:CSD. (yu are right though that there was no point in prod if its going to be deleted). The only way to go for deletion on this is afd. I am uncertain about the result, & even uncertain about what I will say there myself. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 03:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sockpuppets==

Thank you for alerting me about this, I'll see what I can do. Strangely enough, [[User:LaGrandefr]] has not edited in quite a while and even announced on the [[Tibet during the Ming Dynasty]] talk page that he would be leaving English Wikipedia indefinitely. This would be a lie if he's just trolling around under another account, but we'll see.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 20:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just as a point of reference, I believe LaGrandefr's IP address is 195.221.219.142. I say this because during our debate at [[Talk:Ming Dynasty]], it was this IP address that was pushing to have [[:Image:Ming-China1.jpg|LaGrandefr's dubious map]] placed in the Ming Dynasty article in several other Wikipedias, [http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ming-Dynastie&diff=44205028&oldid=43736775 such as German Wikipedia here on March 27]. Hope this helps.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 20:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Hahaha! Dude, I just read Foxhunt's comments at [[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Foxhunt99]], and I am almost certain that it is the same person as LaGrandefr. They have seemingly identical syntax errors in their sentences and similar use of adjectives.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Also, [[User:Chenyangw]]'s bizarre one-sentence statement as his user page is strikingly similar to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:LaGrandefr&diff=203025032&oldid=201589326 the first version] of LaGrandefr's user page and [[User talk:LaGrandefr|his present talk page]].--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::If you're up for it, I would suggest that you make another request for checkuser and provide the IP address (i.e. 195.221.219.142) to moderators so that they can quickly verify whether or not LaGrandefr and Chenyangw come from the same source.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|Pericles of Athens]][[User talk:PericlesofAthens|Talk]] 21:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought of LaGrandefr too, and wondered if the same person was cooking this new brew up. But I figured, if LGF wanted to sockpuppet, he would probably use his sockpuppets to attack [[Tibet during the Ming Dynasty]] again. What's more, I doubt LGF would be silly enough to think of me as a likely ally in support of keeping the Slavery/Serfdom article. [[User:Bertport|Bertport]] ([[User talk:Bertport|talk]]) 02:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== ESanchez013 ==

I don't really understand what's wrong. I placed the <nowiki>{{userpage}}</nowiki> template. What do you want me to change? I would've appreciated mention of your intention on my talk page. Thanks! Mr. E. Sánchez '''[[User:ESanchez013|Wanna know my story?]]'''/ '''[[User talk:ESanchez013|Share yours with me!]]''' 01:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

==Removal of tags on [[HM Bark Endeavour]]==

Thank you for the message you left [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Petecarney&oldid=216444574] on my talk page.

The reason I have previously removed the multipleissues box is given in the edit summary:

''"removed unhelpful multipleissues box as there was nothing in the talk page to support it"''

It's good [[Wikipedia:Etiquette|Etiquette]] use the edit summary to explain your changes to other editors rather than to use it to demand that no-one else touches them.

If you really think that such a garland of tags is helpful to this article then why not explain your reasoning to the rest of us on the article's talk page? As it stands I can see no benefit in having it there so I'll probably delete it again the next time I contribute to the article.

Better still, why not have a go at improving the article yourself?

The article is rated as B-Class on the assesessment scales of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia|WikiProject Australia]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Shipwrecks|WikiProject Shipwrecks]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships|WikiProject Ships]] so there is clearly an overwhelming consensus that it needs further work.

So go ahead, think about what you can do to make the article better, and [[Wikipedia:Be bold|Be bold]] and help make [[HM Bark Endeavour]] the great article it deserves to be.

[[User:Petecarney|Petecarney]] ([[User talk:Petecarney|talk]]) 12:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks for the revert ==

Thanks for reverting the edits to [[United Airlines]] - with the fact the vandalism wasn't obvious, I was getting a bit worried about hitting the 3 revert rule (hence the edit where I left in the close-to-vandalism content and asked for a revert). Cheers --[[User:Mlaroche|Matt]] ([[User talk:Mlaroche|talk]]) 23:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

==Generation Z Article==
The two sources listed are the NY Times and an Australian Newspaper. These are certainly notable sources and are not blogs as you incorrectly stated. I undid your incorrect undo of me. Please take it to the discussion page lest we get into a revert war.
:*I've responded on your talk page but I don't appreciate the threat of an edit war. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 00:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dihydrogen monoxide hoax ==

I would like to invite you to participate in a discussion on the talk page of the article [[Dihydrogen monoxide hoax]]. I, and at least one other editor, see no need for the tags at the top of the page. I submit that (1) there are multiple references in the article to reliable sources documenting that there is such a hoax, (2) the article does not appear to have been written in an essay-like tone (as one of your tags suggests), and (3) that the article does not contain original research. If you would like to help out, please post a more detailed response on the talk page rather than continuing to edit war on the page. I also ask that you familiarize yourself with the [[WP:3RR|three revert rule]], which you are now in violation of. Thank you, [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:How about you help out with the citation style, rather than placing more templates at the top of the page? I find this rather infuriating. See [[WP:POINT]]. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:: Edit warring and five tags at the top of a single article without accompanying talk-page discussion seems disruptive to me. I am going to address the issues as I see fit, and I am then going to remove all of the nag tags. If you want to add them back, then you are going to have to post something on the talk page. Otherwise your editing is clearly disruptive. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 02:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't see how [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] applies. We aren't talking about a deletion discussion here. We are talking about whether or not there are any references in the article. Clearly there are, so the template should go. The other templates should be accompanied by a section of the talk page. Please direct your browser to [[Talk:Dihydrogen monoxide]] and use the [[WP:TALK|talk page]]. These are there for a reason you know. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please, take it to the talk page of the article. That is what you should have done to begin with, rather than edit-warring. See [[WP:CON]]. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:I am just as guilty of edit warring as you? Interesting. From where I sit, I am the only one even trying to ''address'' the issues your template raises. Furthermore, the {{tl|unref}} template is not accurate. There are many references in the article, if you would care to scroll down to the '''References''' section. [[User:Silly rabbit|siℓℓy rabbit]] ([[User talk:Silly rabbit|talk]]) 03:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The article is funny stuff, and appears to be the basis for a mock-serious presentation we had in our office recently. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] ''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]'' 06:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:FWIW I found the article quite interesting and informative. I tried to write a similar article on [[Cephalectomy]] (surgical removal of someone's head) but it got wiped due to lack of references. It is the actual term of course, but hey what can you do? It is good that Wikipedia can inform and be amusing sometimes. [[User:Dyinghappy|Dyinghappy]] ([[User talk:Dyinghappy|talk]]) 05:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::*Spectacular. Thanks for the heads up. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 06:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[:Image:Michael Q. Schmidt at wrap party for Yesterday Was A Lie.jpg]] ==

I've started a discussion about Image:Michael Q. Schmidt at wrap party for Yesterday Was A Lie.jpg [[Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_June_19#Image:Michael_Q._Schmidt_at_wrap_party_for_Yesterday_Was_A_Lie.jpg|here]]. Please join in the discussion there. Thanks. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 20:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

== Your reversion of the edit to [[The Gong Show]] ==

Please see my response [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Gong_Show#A_few_minor_tweaks.... here]. Thank you. [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Michael Q. Schmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]) 01:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== Request for input ==

Since you were the one who added them, I thought you should be informed that a discussion is ongoing at [[Talk:Allegations of serfdom in Tibet]] about whether maintainance tags are still necessary. If you're still interested, your input on the changes that have been made -- splitting the article especially -- would be welcome. Cheers, [[User:Gimme danger|Gimme danger]] ([[User talk:Gimme danger|talk]]) 23:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

== FYI ==

The prod statement was false. 300 users online at the same time is different to 300 users in total. I don't know if that influences your opinion or not, or the fact it had existed for over 4 years with dozens of contributors and had passed an AFD over 3 years earlier. Was deleted on a PROD that was based on false information, which you seemed to accept as fact. [[User:Dyinghappy|Dyinghappy]] ([[User talk:Dyinghappy|talk]]) 01:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

==RfA thanks==
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[[Image:School.svg |I hope the other [[WP:Administrators|kids]] at [[WP:New admin school |school]] play with me...|thumb|right|140px]]
Thank you for your participation in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Frank|my recent RfA]], which closed successfully. I felt the process was a thorough review of my contributions and my demeanor, and I was very gratified to see how many editors took the time to really see what I'm about and how I can be of help to the project. As a result, some editors changed their views during the discussion, and most expressed specific, detailed points to indicate their opinion (whether it was [[Image:Symbol_support_vote.svg|Has a clue|15px]], [[Image:Symbol_oppose_vote.svg|Too green|15px]], or [[Image:Symbol_neutral_vote.svg|Definite maybe|15px]]).

A number of editors were concerned about my level of experience. I was purposeful in not waiting until a particular benchmark occurred before requesting adminship, because I feel - as many do - that adminship is not a reward and that each case is individual. It is true that I am not the most experienced editor around here, but I appreciate that people dug into my contributions enough to reach the conclusion that I seem to have a [[WP:CLUE|clue]]. Also, the best thing about this particular concern is that experience is something an editor - or administrator - can always get more of, and I'll continue doing that, just as I've been doing. (If I seem a little slow at it, feel free to [[WP:WHACK!|slap me]].)

I am a strong believer in the concept that this project is all about the content, and I'm looking forward to contributing wherever I can. Please [[User talk:Frank |let me know]] if I can be of any help. In the meantime, I'm [[WP:New admin school |off to school]]...

Thanks again!
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== New editor help ==

Thank you for your help so far concerning [[The Rock and Roll Conservatory]]. I noticed that it's marked for deletion and that you saw it as a purely promotional article. If you're willing, I'd appreciate some help in making this article meet the standard guidelines. This article and another are my first attempts at this sort of thing and were experiments in learning the process. Not to encroach on your time, but if possible, I would appreciate some help with the references. I'm not quite sure how to include archived video news coverage in the references section. Could you point me to another page that has this type of reference?

[[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 23:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that you frown upon composing articles based on one's personal knowledge of the subject is understandable. I was using subjects that I know well in an effort to begin learning the Wikipedia system and culture. It's quite overwhelming and the process of learning the code, the guidelines, the culture, and the format is difficult for those of us that wish to contribute. I hope you'll understand that although I used my personal knowledge of the Strange Occurrence and Rock and Roll Conservatory subjects to write articles, I did my best to compose them without bias. The composition of these articles were based on similar articles about similar subjects that somehow seemed to pass through the system even though these similar articles had either no references and/or carried much more commercial bias than those that I composed ([[The Paul Green School of Rock Music]] and [[Amber Pacific]]). Nonetheless, I understand how the bias is even present in me merely attempting to write those articles, let alone what they contained, so I won't debate your reasoning, although I feel it is solidly flawed. That said, my edit to the Scott Hunter article was factually based and added to the accuracy of the article and reflected no bias in the slightest. You reverting the article to a vague and non-accurate state seemed to be more of a vendetta. I'm not sure what I've done to offend you, but you've chosen to take action based on your flawed assumption that I was self-promoting (I am not Joe Wiles) instead of taking action in good faith and asking me about my stance or even improving the article (read [[WP:DP]] Alternatives to Deletion). Your bias against new users was made clear to me when you reverted my edits to the Scott Hunter article. I had made the article more accurate, more factually based, and instead of asking me why, you just went with your assumption. Please refrain from doing so again. [[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 05:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
::Do you just want me off Wikipedia? I'll leave and never return again, if that's what you'd like. Cumulus, there are a whole ton of articles without references to specifics across Wikipedia. I can dig up evidence of the involvement of the members of Scott Hunter's last project if you'd like, but if you're going to hound me about them, revert them, and constantly be on my ass, then I'd rather not take part in the process. There are literally millions of articles on Wikipedia with no references to the specifics they claim to be authorities on. Since I don't see you reverting and editing those articles, I can only assume that you're aiming specifically at me and the edits that I make. Please prove me wrong. I'd love to find out that you're just a stickler for the cause and are, indeed, on a mission to clean up Wikipedia's millions of unreferenced claims. You know, as well as I do, that if every single claim, fact, or statement on any article had the necessity of being referenced to a secondary, unbiased, published work, then there would be very, very little information on Wikipedia. Get off my back, man. [[User:Superhero77|Superhero77]] ([[User talk:Superhero77|talk]]) 07:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Walker (checkers player)]] ==

Could you please take another look at this article? I have added a number of references and I think the article is in much better shape now. Thanks, [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 03:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

== WMA article ==

Hi this is just a work in progress. I am getting ready to add references. Please don't delete, or please help with it... —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Breadandsocks|Breadandsocks]] ([[User talk:Breadandsocks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Breadandsocks|contribs]]) 09:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 
Please help make Wiki more constructive, I'm not altering any articles, just adding info to it as I know. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Breadandsocks|Breadandsocks]] ([[User talk:Breadandsocks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Breadandsocks|contribs]]) 09:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC) 

== Your reversion of my contributions to [[The Gong Show]] ==

Please see my response [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Gong_Show#To_User:Cumulus_Clouds... here]. Thank you. [[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Michael Q. Schmidt]] ([[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|talk]]) 19:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
:Hi CC, Can you pin down exactly where MichaelQSchmidt has tried to "write [himself] into an article about a show [he's] appeared in"? I quite frankly don't see it. Thanks! [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 01:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== XKCD & in popular culture ==

In light of the United Airlines in popular culture AFD discussion, I feel you might get a laugh out of [http://xkcd.com/446/ the most recent XKCD]. Cheers --[[User:Mlaroche|Matt]] ([[User talk:Mlaroche|talk]]) 05:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:Randall says it like it's a bad thing. :( --[[User:Kizor|Kiz]][[User_talk:Kizor|o]][[Special:Contributions/Kizor|r]] 11:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Conflict of interest in editing history ==

This notice informs you of a conflict of interest because you contributed to your namesake article [[Cumulus clouds]]. Wikipedia has serious policies to prohibit these types of contributions. Please familiarize yourself with [[WP:CONFLICT]] and [[WP:Autobiography]]. You can handle this situation by declaring an interest or changing your user name. Failure to follow guidelines may be followed up with [[WP:COIN]]. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MaxweIISmarter|MaxweIISmarter]] ([[User talk:MaxweIISmarter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MaxweIISmarter|contribs]]) 05:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC) 
:Sorry to butt in again, but I must quote this. I ''have'' to quote this. May I, please? Full disclosure: my memory's patchy for people but it seems to have you pegged as a deletionist. My modest quote collection is a secret attempt to manipulate editors into loosening up and being less strict, while deletionism depends on strict editorial control, so it will ultimately erode their support. (Muwahahahahahaha!) --20:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::*I disagree with you about being a deletionist, but you can feel free to use whatever you want. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 01:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Kizor|Kizor]], I mostly agree with you; I think he ''jumps the gun'' with reverting my edits. Of his reverts on my contributions (which he says ''[[Talk:Northwest Airlines#Non-fatal Accident|it's becoming a real chore to go back and undo all the changes you've made against consensus and common sense]])'', I think about only 25 percent are justified. Recently, I'm finding that I have to exert a lot more effort on the discussion pages to try to build consensus as Cumulus Clouds carefully reviews my edits. --Inetpup:o3 [[User_talk:Inetpup|⌈〒⌋]]▰[[User:Inetpup|⌈♎⌋]] 03:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== ITN ==

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}}{{#if:|, and '''''[[{{{6}}}]]'''''}}, which you created or substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the [[:Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates|In the news candidates page]].
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== OTRS? ==

What is OTRS? - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 20:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:nevermind... I found it, and have sent an email... thanks for the recommendation... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 20:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

==Mediation rejects==
Is it true you've rejected two mediation offers in regards to the issues regarding you and BQZip? — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 23:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:*BQZip01 has never, to my knowledge, requested mediation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:Cumulus Clouds|Cumulus Clouds]] ([[User talk:Cumulus Clouds#top|talk]]) 23:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== Removed prod from [[Mexican Werewolf in Texas]], seems to satisfy [[WP:MOVIE]] ==

I have removed the {{tl|prod}} tag from [[Mexican Werewolf in Texas]], which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{tl|prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks!  -- '''[[User:Atama|Atama]][[User talk:Atama|chat]]''' 18:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Re: [[:Image:Academia politics.png]] ==

I'm not going to edit-war with you over this; I'll let another administrator take a look and see what they think. However, I would point out that per [[Wikipedia:Vandalism#NOT]], violations of the neutral point of view policy are not considered vandalism. You might try [[WP:IFD|Images and media for deletion]] instead, to allow for some discussion of the image before deletion. ([[User:ESkog|ESkog]])([[User talk:ESkog|Talk]]) 17:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

==DRV of an IfD==
I'm advising all participants in the [[Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_July_17#Image:Indiana_Jones_and_the_Cross_of_Coronado.jpg|IfD discussion for the Image Indiana Jones and the Cross of Coronado.jpg]] that a subsequent DRV [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July_25#Image:Indiana_Jones_and_the_Cross_of_Coronado.jpg| was filed here]]. Your participation is welcome. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] [[User talk:Dreadstar|†]] 01:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

==Situation==
CC, Franamax, and BQZip01, how is the situation that was discussed on my talk page coming along? — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 21:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== EarlyXer.com ==

Can you please explain to me how an external link to a site that is all about Generation X pop culture (EarlyXer.com) is considered spam on the Generation X article??? [[User:Kkol67|Kkol67]] ([[User talk:Kkol67|talk]]) 02:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

==RfB Thank You spam==
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== adding redirects on TFDs ==

Hello, I'm not very experienced on TFDs, can you give me a bit of advice? I listed the redirects to one of the templates that you nominated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_23&diff=228972855&oldid=228972614]. Is it adequate that I list all the redirects to a template on a TFD, or should I leave the work of finding them to the deleting admin, in order to not clutter the page with links? --[[User:Enric Naval|Enric Naval]] ([[User talk:Enric Naval|talk]]) 07:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Quebec-bashing]] and [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Conspiracy_and_Template:Conspiracy-section|Conspiracy_and_Template]] ==

There is no need to be rude[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_deletion%2FLog%2F2008_July_23&diff=228964133&oldid=228963010]. I've given a rationale for this template's use, in good faith[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_deletion%2FLog%2F2008_July_23&diff=228963010&oldid=228591783]. I've fully acknowledged your concerns, and recognized them as legitimate [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACumulus_Clouds&diff=228963698&oldid=228727191]. Please address these points and engage in discussion instead of accusing me of bad faith. My concerns about the article are duly noted on the discussion page [[Talk:Quebec-bashing]]. Until there is a consensus to remove this template, it is a legitimate tag. If the consensus is to remover this template,I'll gladly abide by this.I am all ears for a clear rationale on alternate templates that do the same job. --[[User:Soulscanner|soulscanner]] ([[User talk:Soulscanner|talk]]) 09:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== afd of [[Political society]] ==

Hi. As a contributor to the first afd of this article you might be interested in the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political society (2nd nomination)]] [[User:Andyjsmith|andy]] ([[User talk:Andyjsmith|talk]]) 23:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== Edits to Generation X ==
On [[27 July]], [[2008]] you reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X?diff=228330838 this good faith edit] with the edit summary of '''this list amounts to trivia and doesn't really inform the reader on the subject'''. I undid your change because the previous author's edit conformed to Wikipaedia's policy clearly defined in [[WP:EMBED#Lists_within_articles|WP:Embedded lists]]. There was no indiscriminate list of links and nothing even remotely close to trivia. In fact, the so-called list even contained prose. Policy spelled out in [[WP:EMBED#Lists_within_articles|WP:Embedded lists]] clearly defines that a "list style may be preferable to a long sequence within a sentence". The editor's text meets this exact criteria; your reversion of his edit does not. Additionally, I introduced multi-column layout to improve readability. I'll be happy to discuss this with you. --[[User:GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF|GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF]] ([[User talk:GUID-FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF|talk]]) 09:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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'''Generation X''' is a term used to describe [[Generation#Length|generations]] in many countries around the world born from 1965 to around 1980.<ref name="autogenerated1">[http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1731528,00.html Gen-X: The Ignored Generation? - TIME]</ref> The term has been used in [[demography]], the [[social sciences]], and [[marketing]], though it is most often used in [[popular culture]].

== History of the term ==
===Origins===
In the U.S. Gen X was originally referred as the "baby bust" generation because of the small number of births following the baby boom. <ref name="autogenerated1" />

In the UK the term was first used in a 1964 study of [[United Kingdom|British]] youth by [[Jane Deverson]]. Deverson was asked by [[Woman's Own]] magazine to conduct a series of interviews with [[teenager]]s of the time. The study revealed a generation of teenagers who "sleep together before they are married, don't believe in [[God]], dislike the [[Elizabeth II|Queen]], and don't respect parents," which was deemed unsuitable for the magazine because it was a new phenomenon. Deverson, in an attempt to save her research, worked with Hollywood correspondent Charles Hamblett to create a book about the study. Hamblett decided to name it ''[[Generation X (book)|Generation X]]''.<ref>Asthana, Anushka & Thorpe, Vanessa. "[http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1396618,00.html Whatever happened to the original Generation X?]". ''[[The Observer]]''. January 23, 2005.</ref>

===Popularization===
The term was first used in popular culture in the book [[Generation X (book)|Generation X]] by Charles Hamblett and Jane Deverson.{{Or|date=May 2008}} It was later expanded on by [[Canada|Canadian]] novelist [[Douglas Coupland]] in ''[[Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture]]'' (1991), which describes the angst of those born between roughly 1960 and 1965, who felt no connection to the cultural icons of the [[baby boom generation]].{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

Coupland took the X from [[Paul Fussell]]'s 1983 book ''Class'', where the term "Category X" designated a region of America's social hierarchy, rather than a generation.<ref>[http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5560/cnn1.html Interview with Douglas Coupland on [[CNN]]'s ''Heads Up''], May 28, 1994.</ref> Coupland first wrote of Generation X in September 1987 (''[[Vancouver Magazine|Vancouver]]'' [[Vancouver Magazine|Magazine]], "Generation X," pp. 164-169, 194), which was a precursor to the novel and slightly preceded the term "[[Twenty something|twentysomething]]".{{Fact|date=April 2008}} Coupland referred to those born from 1958 to 1966 in Canada or from 1958 to 1964 in the United States (see [[Demographics#U.S._Demographic_birth_cohorts|trailing edge boomer]]).{{Fact|date=April 2008}} As Coupland explained in a 1995 interview, "In his final chapter, Fussell named an 'X' category of people who wanted to hop off the merry-go-round of status, money, and social climbing that so often frames modern existence."{{Fact|date=April 2008}} As the term Generation X later became somewhat interchangeable with twenty something,{{Fact|date=April 2008}} he later revised his notion of Generation X to include anyone considered twenty something in the years 1987 to 1991.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

In the US, at times the term "[[Baby Bust|baby busters]]" is used interchangeably with "Generation X,"{{Fact|date=April 2008}} Reagan Generation and MTV Generation can typically denote those born starting in 1964, with various dates offered for its ending year.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

===13th generation===
{{Prose|date=May 2008}}
In the 1991 book ''[[Generations (book)|Generations]],'' William Strauss and Neil Howe called this generation the "13th Generation" because it's the 13th to know the flag of the [[United States]] (counting back to the peers of [[Benjamin Franklin]]). Strauss and Howe defined the birth years of the 13th Generation as 1961 to 1981 based on examining peaks and troughs in cultural trends rather than simply looking at birth rates.<ref name="r5">Strauss, William & Howe, Neil. ''Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069''. Perennial, 1992 (Reprint). ISBN 0-688-11912-3</ref> Howe and Strauss speak of influences that they believe have shaped Generation 13. These influences are as follows:<div style="-moz-column-count:2; column-count:2; max-width: 90%;">
* Disaffectation with governance, a lack of trust in leadership, particularly institutional leadership
* Rampant political apathy
* Increase in [[divorce]]
* Increase in mothers in the workplace
* The [[zero population growth]] movement
* Availability of [[combined oral contraceptive pills]]
* Increase in [[education]]al variance
* Decrease in educational funding and loan availability
* Changed career options require more academic requirements and intellectual skill
* Concerns on environmental destruction and ecological issues
* Inception of the [[Internet]]
* The end of the [[Cold War]]
</div>

==Generation X in the United States==
For some of this generation, Generation X thinking has significant overtones of cynicism against things held dear to the previous generations, mainly the [[Baby Boomers]].<ref>[http://www.cio.com/article/178050 Gen Y, Gen X and the Baby Boomers: Workplace Generation Wars - CIO.com - Business Technology Leadership]</ref> Another cultural hallmark of Generation X was [[grunge music]], which grew out of the frustrations and disenchantment of some teenagers and young adults.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

Generation X grew up during the later years, end of, and the decade following the [[Cold War]]. This time included the [[Ronald Reagan]] era.<ref>[http://www.hoover.org/multimedia/uk/3420651.html Hoover Institution - Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson - GEN X FILES]</ref> As the first of their [[Cohort (statistics)|cohort]] reached adulthood, they experienced the collapse of the [[Soviet Union]] and the [[United States of America]]'s emergence as the world's lone superpower.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

The perception of Generation X during the late 1980s was summarized in a featured article in [[Time Magazine]]:{{Fact|date=April 2008}}
{{cquote|. . .They possess only a hazy sense of their own identity but a monumental preoccupation with all the problems the preceding generation will leave for them to fix . . .This is the twenty-something generation, those 48 million young Americans ages 18 through 29 who fall between the famous baby boomers and the boomlet of children the baby boomers are producing. Since today's young adults were born during a period when the U.S. birthrate decreased to half the level of its postwar peak, in the wake of the great baby boom, they are sometimes called the baby busters. By whatever name, so far they are an unsung generation, hardly recognized as a social force or even noticed much at all...By and large, the 18-to-29 group scornfully rejects the habits and values of the baby boomers, viewing that group as self-centered, fickle and impractical. While the baby boomers had a placid childhood in the 1950s, which helped inspire them to start their revolution, today's twenty-something generation grew up in a time of drugs, divorce and economic strain. . .They feel influenced and changed by the social problems they see as their inheritance: racial strife, homelessness, AIDS, fractured families and federal deficits.<ref name="autogenerated1" />}}<ref>Gross, D.M., and S. Scott. "Proceeding with caution. (cover story)." Time 136, no. 3 (July 16, 1990)</ref>

In economics, a study was done (by Pew Charitable Trusts, the American Enterprise Institute, the Brookings Institute, the Heritage Foundation and the Urban Institute) that challenges the notion that each generation will be better off than the one that preceded it.<ref>http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/Economic_Mobility_in_America_Full.pdf</ref> The study, 'Economic Mobility: Is the American Dream Alive and Well?" focuses on the income of males 30-39 in 2004 (those born April, 1964 – March, 1974) and is based on Census/BLS CPS March supplement data.<ref>[http://www.economicmobility.org/ Economic Mobility Project]</ref>

The study, which made national headline news on May 25, 2007, emphasizes that in real dollars, that cohort made less (by 12%) than their fathers at the same age in 1974, thus reversing a historic trend. The study also suggests that per year increases in father/son family household income has slowed (from 0.9% to 0.3% average), barely keeping pace with inflation, though progressively higher each year due to more women entering the workplace contributing to family household income.<ref>[http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/25/pf/mobility_study/index.htm?cnn=yes Standing in the shadow of dad's salary - May. 25, 2007]</ref>

==Notes==
{{reflist|2}}

==See also==
* [[List of generations]]
* [[Baby Boomer]]
* [[Generation Jones]]
* [[Generation XY]]
* [[Generation 9/11]]
* [[Generation Y]]
* [[Generation YZ]]
* [[Generation Z]]
* [[MTV Generation]]

==External links==

==American generation succession==
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title = Generation X |
years = (1958-65) – (1975-82)* <ref name="r4" /> <ref name="r5" /> |
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Happy computing!

== Articles that I have contributed to ==

As a new editor, I want to focus on easy things. For now, I'm going to write redirects and insert missing items for [[See also]], [[External links]] and [[References]]. I'll occasionally edit an article here and there.

* Redirects for variants of [[Wiki-Hacker‎]]
* Redirects for [[Microsoft SQL Server]]
* Redirects for [[SQL]] topics
* Redirects for [[Gen X]] - [[Gen Y]] - [[Gen Z]]

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'''Generation X''' is a term used to describe [[Generation#Length|generations]] in many countries around the world born from 1965 to around 1980.<ref name="autogenerated1">[http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1731528,00.html Gen-X: The Ignored Generation? - TIME]</ref> The term has been used in [[demography]], the [[social sciences]], and [[marketing]], though it is most often used in [[popular culture]].

== History of the term ==
===Origins===
In the U.S. Gen X was originally referred as the "baby bust" generation because of the small number of births following the baby boom. <ref name="autogenerated1" />

In the UK the term was first used in a 1964 study of [[United Kingdom|British]] youth by [[Jane Deverson]]. Deverson was asked by [[Woman's Own]] magazine to conduct a series of interviews with [[teenager]]s of the time. The study revealed a generation of teenagers who "sleep together before they are married, don't believe in [[God]], dislike the [[Elizabeth II|Queen]], and don't respect parents," which was deemed unsuitable for the magazine because it was a new phenomenon. Deverson, in an attempt to save her research, worked with Hollywood correspondent Charles Hamblett to create a book about the study. Hamblett decided to name it ''[[Generation X (book)|Generation X]]''.<ref>Asthana, Anushka & Thorpe, Vanessa. "[http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1396618,00.html Whatever happened to the original Generation X?]". ''[[The Observer]]''. January 23, 2005.</ref>

===Popularization===
The term was first used in popular culture in the book [[Generation X (book)|Generation X]] by Charles Hamblett and Jane Deverson.{{Or|date=May 2008}} It was later expanded on by [[Canada|Canadian]] novelist [[Douglas Coupland]] in ''[[Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture]]'' (1991), which describes the angst of those born between roughly 1960 and 1965, who felt no connection to the cultural icons of the [[baby boom generation]].{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

Coupland took the X from [[Paul Fussell]]'s 1983 book ''Class'', where the term "Category X" designated a region of America's social hierarchy, rather than a generation.<ref>[http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5560/cnn1.html Interview with Douglas Coupland on [[CNN]]'s ''Heads Up''], May 28, 1994.</ref> Coupland first wrote of Generation X in September 1987 (''[[Vancouver Magazine|Vancouver]]'' [[Vancouver Magazine|Magazine]], "Generation X," pp. 164-169, 194), which was a precursor to the novel and slightly preceded the term "[[Twenty something|twentysomething]]".{{Fact|date=April 2008}} Coupland referred to those born from 1958 to 1966 in Canada or from 1958 to 1964 in the United States (see [[Demographics#U.S._Demographic_birth_cohorts|trailing edge boomer]]).{{Fact|date=April 2008}} As Coupland explained in a 1995 interview, "In his final chapter, Fussell named an 'X' category of people who wanted to hop off the merry-go-round of status, money, and social climbing that so often frames modern existence."{{Fact|date=April 2008}} As the term Generation X later became somewhat interchangeable with twenty something,{{Fact|date=April 2008}} he later revised his notion of Generation X to include anyone considered twenty something in the years 1987 to 1991.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

In the US, at times the term "[[Baby Bust|baby busters]]" is used interchangeably with "Generation X,"{{Fact|date=April 2008}} Reagan Generation and MTV Generation can typically denote those born starting in 1964, with various dates offered for its ending year.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

===13th generation===
{{Prose|date=May 2008}}
In the 1991 book ''[[Generations (book)|Generations]],'' William Strauss and Neil Howe called this generation the "13th Generation" because it's the 13th to know the flag of the [[United States]] (counting back to the peers of [[Benjamin Franklin]]). Strauss and Howe defined the birth years of the 13th Generation as 1961 to 1981 based on examining peaks and troughs in cultural trends rather than simply looking at birth rates.<ref name="r5">Strauss, William & Howe, Neil. ''Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069''. Perennial, 1992 (Reprint). ISBN 0-688-11912-3</ref>

==Generation X in the United States==
For some of this generation, Generation X thinking has significant overtones of cynicism against things held dear to the previous generations, mainly the [[Baby Boomers]].<ref>[http://www.cio.com/article/178050 Gen Y, Gen X and the Baby Boomers: Workplace Generation Wars - CIO.com - Business Technology Leadership]</ref> Another cultural hallmark of Generation X was [[grunge music]], which grew out of the frustrations and disenchantment of some teenagers and young adults.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

Generation X grew up during the later years, end of, and the decade following the [[Cold War]]. This time included the [[Ronald Reagan]] era.<ref>[http://www.hoover.org/multimedia/uk/3420651.html Hoover Institution - Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson - GEN X FILES]</ref> As the first of their [[Cohort (statistics)|cohort]] reached adulthood, they experienced the collapse of the [[Soviet Union]] and the [[United States of America]]'s emergence as the world's lone superpower.{{Fact|date=April 2008}}

The perception of Generation X during the late 1980s was summarized in a featured article in [[Time Magazine]]:{{Fact|date=April 2008}}
{{cquote|. . .They possess only a hazy sense of their own identity but a monumental preoccupation with all the problems the preceding generation will leave for them to fix . . .This is the twenty-something generation, those 48 million young Americans ages 18 through 29 who fall between the famous baby boomers and the boomlet of children the baby boomers are producing. Since today's young adults were born during a period when the U.S. birthrate decreased to half the level of its postwar peak, in the wake of the great baby boom, they are sometimes called the baby busters. By whatever name, so far they are an unsung generation, hardly recognized as a social force or even noticed much at all...By and large, the 18-to-29 group scornfully rejects the habits and values of the baby boomers, viewing that group as self-centered, fickle and impractical. While the baby boomers had a placid childhood in the 1950s, which helped inspire them to start their revolution, today's twenty-something generation grew up in a time of drugs, divorce and economic strain. . .They feel influenced and changed by the social problems they see as their inheritance: racial strife, homelessness, AIDS, fractured families and federal deficits.<ref name="autogenerated1" />}}<ref>Gross, D.M., and S. Scott. "Proceeding with caution. (cover story)." Time 136, no. 3 (July 16, 1990)</ref>

In economics, a study was done (by Pew Charitable Trusts, the American Enterprise Institute, the Brookings Institute, the Heritage Foundation and the Urban Institute) that challenges the notion that each generation will be better off than the one that preceded it.<ref>http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/Economic_Mobility_in_America_Full.pdf</ref> The study, 'Economic Mobility: Is the American Dream Alive and Well?" focuses on the income of males 30-39 in 2004 (those born April, 1964 – March, 1974) and is based on Census/BLS CPS March supplement data.<ref>[http://www.economicmobility.org/ Economic Mobility Project]</ref>

The study, which made national headline news on May 25, 2007, emphasizes that in real dollars, that cohort made less (by 12%) than their fathers at the same age in 1974, thus reversing a historic trend. The study also suggests that per year increases in father/son family household income has slowed (from 0.9% to 0.3% average), barely keeping pace with inflation, though progressively higher each year due to more women entering the workplace contributing to family household income.<ref>[http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/25/pf/mobility_study/index.htm?cnn=yes Standing in the shadow of dad's salary - May. 25, 2007]</ref>

==Notes==
{{reflist|2}}

==See also==
* [[List of generations]]
* [[Baby Boomer]]
* [[Generation Jones]]
* [[Generation XY]]
* [[Generation 9/11]]
* [[Generation Y]]
* [[Generation YZ]]
* [[Generation Z]]
* [[MTV Generation]]

==External links==

==American generation succession==
{{start box}}
{{succession box | 
before = [[Baby boomer]] (1943-1946) – (1957-1964)* <ref name="r5" /> |
title = Generation X |
years = (1958-65) – (1975-82)* <ref name="r4" /> <ref name="r5" /> |
after = [[Generation Y]] (1983-2001) – (1995-2001)* <ref name="r5" /> |
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== just wondering ==

Excuse me...but i don't understand why my page was deleted...it's not an attack on anyone...it's my page about myself....i don't intend to attack myself...that's a bit silly. i just want to know why it was deleted.

[[User:Bottleofsunshine13|Bottleofsunshine13]] ([[User talk:Bottleofsunshine13|talk]]) 08:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)Joel Rivenburg

:''1) An article about yourself can only stay if it is relevant or [[WP:N|"notable"]] and [[WP:V|"verifiable"]]. If you want people to get to know you I suggest one of the many Social Network sites. 2) While you claim that this is you this can at this stage not be proven. The kind of comments you made can therefore not even stand on a userpage. [[User:Agathoclea|Agathoclea]] ([[User talk:Agathoclea|talk]]) 14:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)''

::why do you keep deleting my page???? it's my page!!!! i am not attacking anyone!!! it's about meee!!!!! why is it keep getting deleted????? why???????????????????????????????????????????

::[[User:Bottleofsunshine13|Bottleofsunshine13]] ([[User talk:Bottleofsunshine13|talk]]) 07:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)joel rivenburg

== How kind to welcome me ==

Thank you for welcoming me. I feel special.

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