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User talk:East718

2007-11-05T15:13:50Z

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== [[Wicca]] page protection ==

Many thanks for your action! It was getting pretty boring reverting teenage silliness day after day... [[User:Kim Dent-Brown|Kim Dent-Brown]] [[User talk:Kim Dent-Brown|(Talk to me)]] 22:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wiggers ==

Certainly. I'm heading out for a bit, but I'll take a look at it either later tonight or tomorrow. [[User:Tuckdogg|Tuckdogg]] 23:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Found these. (IP/User, diff#)
:'''Baroni, just one.'''
:72.200.23.193, 167524610

:'''Sell, several.'''
:Bigfanufc, 168984065
:72.200.23.193, 167524484
:72.200.23.193, 167523186
:Ufcnumba1, 165255292
:Ufcnumba1, 165253317
:Mmafantic, 161185737
:Mmafantic, 161012033
:Mmafantic, 159969753

:'''Serra, none.'''

Let me know if you need anything else. [[User:Tuckdogg|Tuckdogg]] 20:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Re: IRC ==

I didn't add your cloak, I'll do it now :) '''[[User:Majorly|Majorly]]''' (''[[User talk:Majorly|talk]]'') 01:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Come into #wikipedia-en and we'll sort it out. '''[[User:Majorly|Majorly]]''' (''[[User talk:Majorly|talk]]'') 01:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Re. RfA==
Good luck! — [[User:Dihydrogen Monoxide|H]][[User talk:Dihydrogen Monoxide|2O]] —  02:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Congratulations, and good luck to you, I'm sure you'll do fine. [[User:Curt Wilhelm VonSavage|Curt Wilhelm VonSavage]] 03:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC).
No problem. Congrats on the adminship. Do good out there :D. [[User:Tinkleheimer|Trevor]] [[User_talk:Tinkleheimer|"Tinkleheimer"]] [[Special:Contributions/Tinkleheimer|Haworth]] 05:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:Congratulations! If you ever need any advice or whatever, my talk page or email are both always open. Although I have a feeling you will be fine. Good luck! [[User:Neil|Neil]] [[User_talk:Neil|☎]] 09:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Kurt Weber ==

I thought you dealt with this editor's spurious oppose quite impressively, and with much more tact than I would have used. He blankets all self-noms with the same tripe, and it is time someone called him on it. Are a few self-noms power-hungry? Perhaps. Is someone that "views all self-noms as ''prima facie'' evidence of power hunger" a bit of a wikidick? I think so. I thought you dealt with the guy as best as you possibly could have, given the circumnstances. A fine start to what I'm sure will be distinguished service as an admin. Keep it up! [[User:Kscottbailey|K. Scott Bailey]] 03:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Re: email==
Thanks, I certainly accept your apology. I appreciate that reexamination.--[[User:John Foxe|John Foxe]] 11:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==AN==
Putting "Fuck (anything) at WP:AN is hardly appropriate, especially for an admin. If you want to point an there is a bigger backlog elsewhere, fine, but disparaging another admin task is hardly appropriate. — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 11:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, yes it did not appear as humor. Regards. — [[User:Rlevse|'''''R''levse''']] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|Talk]] • 20:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== New article [[Psyco Gundam]] ==

In edit summary user wrote, 'I said, I'd recreate this article'. The meaning of article is beyond my grasp. Perhaps you know history because you have protected similar article [[RX-178 Gundam Mk-II]].

Thanks.
[[User:TRIRASH|TRIRASH]] 14:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'll field this one. The article was up for AfD months ago and it was the decision of a number of editors to let it be tossed at that time since it was of horrible quality. User:MalikCarr had plans to recreate a new version following policies, and just recently, finally got around to doing so. [[User:Jtrainor|Jtrainor]] 23:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia has a new administrator!==
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|align="center" width="100%"|<big>'''Thanks!'''</big> Thank you for voicing your opinion in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The-G-Unit-Boss|my RfA]], which passed with 54 supports, 2 opposes and 3 neutrals. Thanks for your support, I really appreciate it. I hope to exceed expectations, If you have any advice please feel free to let me know. Thanks again!. --'''[[User:The-G-Unit-Boss|¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤]]'''
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== pp of [[Chrysler Hemi engine]] ==

Hi there. Thanks for swiftly protecting [[Chrysler Hemi engine]]. One question, though: I notice the usual advisory box ("This article is protected against editing by" etc.) does not show up. I've no especial objection to this, I'm just curious why not. --[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]] 16:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:Gotchya. Thanks for the pointer! --[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]] 21:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== About your RfA ==

[[Image:Admin T-shirt.PNG|thumb|right|The admins' T-shirt. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 22:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)]]

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. Don't forget to view [[Wikipedia:New admin school|the school for new admins]] as well. Good luck! :) [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 22:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of foreign consulates in Oklahoma City ==

Hi, when you close an AFD, especially a complex one like this, it's important to remove most incoming links to the deleted article(s) from other articles. A lot of these pages still have inbound article links, and even redirect pages (although now a bot deletes those). I know it's a pain... but over the years a bunch of redlinks to AFD'd articles seep into our articles... it takes continuous vigilance to curb that. --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 22:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

===Did some===
Hey, sorry if I interrupted that process. I was removing some of the linked articles and came across a few that you were doing at the same time. '''[[User:Okiefromokla|Okiefromokla]]'''[[User talk:Okiefromokla|talk to]] [[Special:Contributions/Okiefromokla|me]] 23:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== re [[User talk:Laxfool543|Lacfool543]] ==

I have changed my block to indef, and reverted the talkpage to the template placed by you. When I originally blocked there had only been the vandalism to [[Justin Timberlake]], per the report at AIV. I agree the personal attack(s) justified the indef. My practice is to block first (reduces disruption) and notify later. Cheers. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 22:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Contents of deleted page==
Hello, East718. Can you please send me the contents of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_foreign_consulates_in_Minneapolis&action=edit List of foreign consulates in Minneapolis] so I may restore the information to Wikipedia or use it again without repeating all of the research it took to create this page? Please copy this to my talk page if you would. Thank you in advance. -[[User:Susanlesch|Susanlesch]] 23:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:*Hello, East718. Thank you, now I can see what was there and have copied that information to an article. Could you please delete [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Susanlesch/List_of_foreign_consulates_in_Minneapolis this copy] you made in my user space? Thank you in advance. Best wishes. -[[User:Susanlesch|Susanlesch]] 04:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== [[Gandhi Khan]] ==

Just a quick note to say thanks for confirming the notability on this article -- [[User talk:DatRoot|DatRoot]] 00:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== [[Mike Huckabee]] ==

the same vandal you blocked earlier today, [[User:71.193.244.183]], is back at it as [[User:89.21.8.105]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/89.21.8.105 contribs], adding the same links and so on. There's an open BIO/N report about this article; Hucksarmy forum posted an open call for attacks on the page to remove all criticism, and since them the page has been repeatedly attacked in this manner. [[User:ThuranX|ThuranX]] 00:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== RE: Thanks! ==

No doubt man, congrats. I know you'll be great, especially with protecting the MMA pages. good job.

[[User:MMAfan2007|The Anti-Vandalism King]] 00:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== GlassCobra's RfA ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |Hey man! I wanted to drop you a line to say thanks for your support in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GlassCobra|my request for adminship]], which ended with '''61 supports, 3 opposes, and 1 neutral'''. Hopefully I'll do as well in my first few days as you have! Feel free to call on me if you ever need any backup! Let's go whack some vandals, eh? [[User:GlassCobra|Glass]]'''[[User talk:GlassCobra|Cobra]]''' 01:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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== Closing AfDs ==

Please note that when closing AfDs, the {{tl|afdb}} template goes ''above'' the section header, not below. Putting it below will screw things up. Thanks! —'''[[User:Kurykh|Kurykh]]''' 05:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:Indeed, it confuses the bot that counts and links to open discussions, but I think Kurykh means the top ('at') template. --[[User:Tikiwont|Tikiwont]] 10:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:Searching for something to close and malformed AfDs, I'd say I fixed most, but you certainly were productive:-) Another thing to check and ideally remove in case of deletion are incoming links. Anyway, welcome aboard!--[[User:Tikiwont|Tikiwont]] 11:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
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Thank you for supporting me in my recent [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Hdt83_4|RFA]] which unfortunately did not pass at (47/23/5). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait till someone nominates me next time. Have a great day(or night)! --[[User:Hdt83|Hdt83]] [[User talk:Hdt83|Chat]] 05:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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== Mentoring of PalestineRemembered ==

Hi East ... you might have supposed that offering to mentor another editor was an interesting and useful thing to do. I have to warn you that this is not the case here. If the mentee (ie me) has editing problems, then it's been found nearly impossible to define what they are in dozens(?) of un-structured and largely evidence-free "disciplinaries" on me. And being my mentor and not finding problems is a quick way to get yourself into huge trouble. [[User:Geni]] suffered a great deal of harassment (see the deletion long on this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Jaakobou/GeniVolunteering "Attack Page"] on her) - but her successor has had even more trouble.

Having said which, I'm only asking for someone prepared to do the thing honestly, so you'd be entirely acceptable to me. Since the terms of the mentorship were that I got to choose my own mentor, I'm prepared to accept you forthwith. Preferably with [[User:Kendrick7]] who seems to be experienced but otherwise of whom I know very little, or on your own if you prefer. [[User:PalestineRemembered|PR]][[User_talk:PalestineRemembered|talk]] 12:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Your comments on [[User:UBeR]] RE: Global Warming and 3RR ==

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule this]: "''Editors may still be blocked even if they have made three or fewer reverts in a 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive. Efforts to game the system, for example by persistently making three reverts each day or three reverts on each of a group of pages, cast an editor in a poor light and may result in blocks.''" If you had done your homework, you may have perhaps noticed that those last 4 reverts by [[User:UBeR]] were only the latest in a long, LONG series of essentially the same reverts that are evidently part of a continual effort on his part, as well as a few others, to block any major updates or improvements to the politically sensitive global warming article, and its related wikis. He's been adamant, for instance, about keeping "Solar Variation" listed one of the "Causes" despite it having been rendered inconsequential by climate researchers as being a factor in current global warming. He even went so far as to have an RFC on the matter and then tried to ignore the results when they weren't what he wanted. I've had multiple issues dealing with troublesome editors like UBeR in politically touchy wiki articles -- not to mention a virtual army of sockpuppets, meatpuppets and anonymous IP's -- and it would be nice to have more admins involved in preventing such [[WP:GAME|gaming]], but instead I tend to have to deal with stuff like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Callmebc#If_cops_were_like_.28some.29_Wikipedia_admins... this]. -BC aka [[User:Callmebc|Callmebc]] 13:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== IF YOU COULD HELP ME IN ANY WAY ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going -- people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the Serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide -- a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people knowing about it -- that virgin maty alledgedy apears to some Croats were they cilled Serbs during the genocide.

I've also created a page called Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991; the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb placed there by Croats.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

User talk:Rjecina/Archive3

2007-11-05T15:11:57Z

WebsterMasters: /* Prebilovci Page */ new section

*[[User talk:Rjecina/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
*[[User talk:Rjecina/Archive 2|Archive 2]]

== thanks, and a suggestion ==

I'm the first on your new talk page! Haha! ;-)

Anyway, thanks again for your kind comments on my editor review. If you have any criticisms or things you think I need to work at improving, I'd like to hear those too.

On a different topic, I can't help but notice that you and Panonian are still bickering over your subpage of "Borders before and after Yugoslavia." I think he's probably overreacting a little bit, but I also can see his point--it probably isn't a good idea to have such a controversial article (especially one that just got deleted) in your userspace, if for no other reason then because it is prone to starting (and perpetuating!) disputes like the current one. May I make a suggestion? If you really want to keep the article to work on and take info from for a possible later article, why not copy the text into your word processor? Then you can just have a file of it sitting peacefully and unobtrusively on your hard drive, and you can take it off your userpage to avoid more controversy.

Best, [[User:K. Lastochka|K. Lásztocska]] [[Wikipedia:Editor_review/K. Lastochka|Review me?]] 01:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== User space protection ==

Replied on my talk page. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] 09:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re: [[Romani people]] ==

Thank you! Actually, it is already [[Romani people by country|here]]. It is not on the [[Romani people]] page, because just a few population estimates are on that page. The rest are on [[Romani people by country]] (see the link "Other Countries" on the [[Romani people]] page) :) --[[User:Kuaichik|Kuaichik]] 01:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

== Benkovac ==

Hi. Please see [[User:Benkovac]]'s userpage that I consider very agressive and provocative against Croatians. I warned him, but he then mentioned the sources of those comments. I know that generally userpage edits are not up to others, but maybe we should aks intercession or an admin's help. Hvala.--[[User:Koppany|Koppany]] 10:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

==Ko s đavolom tikve sadi...o glavu mu se obiju==

Moraš malo pripaziti s kim se družiš, jer vidiš kako ti lepo tvoji "prijatelji" misle o zemlji Hrvatskoj:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2007_July_29&diff=147987200&oldid=147984338
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erdut&diff=148342450&oldid=148284637

I nemoj posle reći da je sam došo tamo, jer ti si ga zvao. U svakom slučaju ovo će ti pomoći da shvatiš neke stvari. Meni je stalo da svi članci na Wiki budu neutralni i prema tome ja ti mogu pomoći da i članci o Hrvatskoj budu neutralni (garantujem ti da posle moje intervencije oni neće biti u kategoriji "towns of RSK", ali pošto sam suviše zauzet raspravljajući sa tobom oko Vojvodine, ne stignem da se i sa velikosrpskim nacionalistima raspravljam oko "RSK kategorije". Naravno, ako mi daš više slobodnog vremena, onda se svašta može uraditi...) :)) [[User:PANONIAN|'''PANONIAN''']] 07:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

==Many thanks!==

Many thanks for your support Rjecina! I believe he will change his behaviour. When you need my suppport just let me know.--[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 15:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, I'm also having some problems with some articles now, see [[Vlachs of Serbia]]. The problem there is like this, Panonian fears about recognize them as Romanians, though his Serbian Gov. already had in 4 Nov. 2002. Vlachs of Serbia are Romanians of Serbia. Unfortunatelly Serbia gives more minority rights only those from Vojvodina. --[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 15:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::I voted. That map is indeed false. For example, it includes Timisoara when in fact it was part of Romania by 1918.--[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 15:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for the information. As I know or at least I read is that only Romanians from Vojvodina benefit of their rights. They have there schools, church, official language etc. As for the rest of them, for example Romanians of Eastern Serbia, they were considered by Serbia as Vlachs and thus not Romanians. Only after 4 Nov. 2002, after they signed an agreement with Romania, Serbia recognize them as being part of the same minority Romanians. The problem is that they made only in paper, in reality still Serbia doesn't give them the same rights as the other from Vojvodina have.--[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 15:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::A user reported me for 3RR for the article [[Vlachs of Serbia]] --[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 17:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm a new user but God knows what's in their mind.--[[User:Wallak|Wallak]][[User_talk:Wallak|Talk]] 17:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

==RE:Croats==
You mean the wikilink you put for [[Croats of Serbia]]? I didn't deleted, I've updated the template, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Croats here], there is no need to have links to such articles when you have the template.

As for the other matter I've contacted Mackansen but he didn't answer me. Cheers. --[[User:No.13|No.13]] 15:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

==Nikola Tesla==
Hi! I'm one of the guys trying to rectify the [[Nikola Tesla]] page. There's kind of a serbian cabal trying to erase any mention of Croatia in Tesla's birthplace. I appreciate your collaboration in this matter! There is this guy GlassFET who keeps invoking a mythical "consensus" about the matter. Seems to me he is a dimwitted serbian propagandist.
I just thought I'd mention that I appreciate your help as a fellow truth seeker. [[User:Frankman|Frankman]] 08:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== No offence intended ==

In case you think I was provocative in referring a Croat to an article that criticises the Međugorje nonsense (Prebilovci massacre talk) I meant to say I would not have done it if I had not noticed that you were "interested in atheism." Regards.[[User:Kirker|Kirker]] 11:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

== Your reversion in ISC article ==

I understand your position entirely as explained on my talk page. Nevertheless you have a POV and it sometimes shows in your edits. So do I, and I suppose my own POV sometimes shows in my edits. When that happens we just have to accept correction from other editors.

In the case of the edit you reverted on the ISC page, I have to admit I am surprised. I was giving what in my view was a fairer summary of a view someone had ascribed to Maček. I used direct quotes and gave the precise source (Maček's biography). The effect of your revision was to replace that with words for which there is no source. That is simply not constructive. Admittedly you restored a reference to the sporazum, with references, and maybe a place should be found for that. But it was clearly out of place coming between two references to the events of 1941. Well if you want that bit in, put it back. It wasn't me who undid your revision, or I would have done so more selectively. Best wishes [[User:Kirker|Kirker]] 21:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC) (PS: you have a VERY interesting user page.)

: OK I'll have a look at both matters. Just to be clear about where you stand regarding Einstein, do you agree that (for whatever reason) he did express support for Pavelić and Co in the early, formative years of the Ustaša - before the Ustaša had engaged in any terrorist activity? [[User:Kirker|Kirker]] 01:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I have responded to you on my own page to keep our discussion in one place. Hope you don't mind. [[User:Kirker|Kirker]] 14:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

::: Just to keep you informed Rjecina, I have started on the task of making sure Wikipedia conveys the true character of the royal dictatorship, wherever appropriate. If you have time, have a look at the "History of Croatia" article, in the section "First Yugoslavia." If you think that what I have done there is reasonable, I will use it as the basis for something similar (perhaps with greater detail) in the Ustaše article. You are perhaps aware that there is a Wikipedia main article, "Croatia in the first Yugoslavia," which includes the Einstein/Mann letter. There is a lot of truth in that article, but it is all devalued because so much of it is blatantly anti-Serb POV. Instead of just dealing with the dictatorship there, I am tempted to tackle the whole article. But that may have to wait until October. (I will be spending September in former SFRY - Zagreb, Banja Luka, Jajce, our flat near Poreč and probably a night or two in your own lovely city.) Anyway, I won't forget. [[User:Kirker|Kirker]] 20:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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== Serb Despots ==

I've noticed that you don't quite fancy them. ;) Why's that? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

::What's actually controversial (precise wording) in [[History of Vojvodina]], since I obviously miss the point? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

=== History of Vojvodina ===
Well then how about adding "in the name of the Hungarian crown" or "as vassals"... or how about replacing "ruled" with "administered" or "governed"?

What's wrong with the maps?

Jovan Nenad. What's wrong with him? He ''was'' a (self-proclaimed) Emperor. Where's the mythology in there? He is the Father of Vojvodina (which is where the historical importance lies).

I have no idea how we can be sure that most inhabitants of present-day Vojvodina were Serbs during Ottoman times... I guess it's logical (there were no major migrations afterwards) but I myself never ever saw a source regarding this particular info...

I know of the 1790 census, what's problematic with it?

I've heard about desires and talks about a special autonomous entity for the Serbs, but nothing more than rumors before the 1848 revolution.

About the other info I have no idea and you're the wrong person to talk to. I mostly deal in Medieval history, and my knowledge in Serbs' particular history does not go far beyond 1537... --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

:Well Bosnian Serb historians [[Vladimir Ćorović]] and [[Željko Fajfrić]] have written immensely in detail 'bout them. They're both neutral, but Vladimir is a little nationally emotional (and keep on mind that he wrote his book in the ''early 20th century'', so you can expect that it's a little Serbian nationalistic). There's Fajfric "Brankovics" book, a detailed book about the entire Brankovic dynasty viewable online and Corovic's "History of the Serb People" book.

:Here's crucial links of Vladimir (I've saved you the trouble to read unnecessary parts of the book) [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_4_l.html Oporavljena Srbija], [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_5_l.html Despot Đurađ Branković], [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_6_l.html Prvi pad Srbije], [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_7_l.html Razlaz između despota i Mađara], [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_8_l.html Pad Srbije], [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/4_10_l.html Stvaranje nove srpske despotovine] and [http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-bl/istorija/corovic/istorija/5_2_l.html Srpska despotovina u Sremu].

:And here's Zeljko's wholesome book [http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/istorija/zfajfric-brankovici.html Sveta loza Brankovića] that contains '''''everything''''' you would ever want to know 'bout the whole family.

:Croatian historians recorded Vojvodinian demographic data? BTW notify me if you need clarification/translation for those sources. Oh and I trust you. ;) Be sure to tell me what you think after you read these. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

:BTW I've got books of [[Konstantin Jireček]] that go in some detail into the 1389-1537 period. It's the second half of the second tome of his "History of Serbs"; since he researched on his own and used mostly Byzantine sources, he doesn't go far into details like those two - but contains actually different info. And it's completely free of any Serb POV. However, I', not sure if there's an online version. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Dalmatian anti-Serb riots of May 1991 ==

Oh, the article got split by the moves. I'll fix that, and merge to the riot title (as I explained on the Talk page just now). --[[User:Joy|Joy [shallot]]] 00:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== hi ==

Please review the [[Demographic history of Bačka]] and the [[Creation of Yugoslavia]] articles and article talk pages. I see that you previously edited those articles and 3rd opinions are badly needed at both places. [[User:Hobartimus|Hobartimus]] 10:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for that source it was very informative to see that colonisation took place at such a large scale.[[User:Hobartimus|Hobartimus]] 02:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::It seems that several new users/IPs joined in with a few hours history, reverting as their first edit. Do you think it is worthwile to ask for admin help(semi protection or other)? I read somewhere that meatpuppets can be treated the same as sockpuppets (banned) in some cases, and these people brought in by Panonian are clear meatpuppets if not outright socks. [[User:Hobartimus|Hobartimus]] 13:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Looks nice will start to work on it shortly. [[User:Hobartimus|Hobartimus]] 20:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
::::[[User:Panonian]] launched a new wave of personal attacks against me and I noticed you were also attacked a few times by him. Do you know any place or method, where he can be reported for constant personal attacks, constant revert warring and massive POV pushing (his edits/works were called propaganda/POV by a LOT of ppl those could be quoted). [[User:Hobartimus|Hobartimus]] 02:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Vandal ip reported at AIV ==

I have blocked the editor for a short while, and have rolled back their edits where necessary. However I noticed an edit summary by you which appeared to be a threat (regarding using a picture involving Chetniks, Nazi's and another organisation) in one of the examples. Such comments, especially in sensitive areas, are very unhelpful and I strongly suggest that you do not do so again. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 22:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:I'm afraid that I'm not an administrator, though I agree with your assessment that this is likely the same editor as the IP that was blocked. If the IP continues this course of action, I would suggest either alerting LessHeard vanU, who is familiar with the situation or posting a report to [[WP:AIV]] with a brief explanation of the situation. If you have any more questions, please let me know. -[[User:Chunky Rice|Chunky Rice]] 00:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:(To Rjecina)Thanks for your note. I'm afraid I am not familiar with image copyright, but it looks as if [[User:SGGH]] (below) is and is looking into it. If you (or he) need an admin to resolve matters then please do not hesitate to contact me on my '''[[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talkpage(!)]]''' [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] 23:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Croatophobia ==

See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Croatian sentiment (second nomination)]]. The article was a recreation of that. '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 01:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:I would suggest you take it over to [[WP:DRV]]. You may have a point there but I still feel the original issues of it being OR and not a widely used term still pertain as addressed in the AFD. '''[[User:Sasquatch|Sasquatch]]''' [[User_talk:Sasquatch|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Sasquatch|c]] 02:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

==User:212.200.199.125 and that image==

I have left a length message on the talk page telling him his actions have been poor, and that his continual reversion of what you do will get him nowhere (I am also about to protect that image for a few days). However, I would also ask if it is possible that you can provide a link as proof for the copyright assertion you have made for it? A simple link would be fine. I would ask that even if the IP hasn't been causing trouble, because it would set the copyright-fearrs' minds at rest :) appreciate it, and hope to hear from you soon. [[User:SGGH|SGGH]] [[User_talk:SGGH|speak!]] 18:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:::That's a brilliant link, thankyou. Well now that IP has '''zero''' reason to revert that image anymore. If he does after the protection expires, let me know I'll take care of it (protection is set for 4 days at the moment) and if he attacks you in any other way let me know, and I'll see whats in it. I'll let him know now that you were right about the copyright, but try to provide a link in the image summary next time :) and I hope it isn't someone who knows you, cause if it is they are very sad :D [[User:SGGH|SGGH]] [[User_talk:SGGH|speak!]] 18:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:Taken care of. Also remember the 3RR rule, which allows reversion of vandalism but not content disputes. This was kind of a content dispute rather than obvious vandalism but I thought I might remind you, so take care and happy editing :) [[User:SGGH|SGGH]] [[User_talk:SGGH|speak!]] 18:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well unfortunatly I'm not too knowledgeable with sock puppets, but have you tried [[WP:SSP]]? I know how you feel, I have an ex-girlfriend on wikipedia! My current girlfriend is also on here, which makes things a little vulnerable :D [[User:SGGH|SGGH]] [[User_talk:SGGH|speak!]] 18:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Editorial policy for history of east and south Europe ==

[[User:Rjecina|Editorial policy for history of east and south Europe]]

Interesting data over there. Speak of the devil, both Encarta and Britannica speak of union of Montenegro with Serbia and mention no controversy over there (nor anywhere else with the total union of Yugoslavia). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hey, why don't you check out my proposal at the talk page of that article (Creation of Yugoslavia).
:Btw so what, you are fond of HSP? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 13:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

::Huh? Check the history of this article or just scroll up. I've answered you lengthy and asked you a couple of questions myself. ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 16:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry? Just see the "Serbia" paragraph, there's my question. Also, did you read that to the up? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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I'm sorry. I meant [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARjecina&diff=154641519&oldid=154483646 this reply] I gave you, to the just up of here. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:I must say I am not quite in favor of that. Don't get it wrong, it's a brilliant idea, but it's ''overloading'' Wikipedia. Don't forget that '''every single edit is always kept''' and nothing is deleted in Wiki, and this way it's quite meaningless. Also it shows as if we don't trust each other. :)

:Yeah, well, can't be said that he was quite successful in his previous 2004-2007 term, right? But also remember that Kostunica '''didn't''' win the election, he only managed to become President through cunningness.

:You didn't answer me that huge paragraph about Montenegrins... ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

::''Every single edit'' is kept. So let's simply continue at the talk page to the bottom. The page isn't too big for archive, and the talks are over there still fresh. ;)
::..why won't you answer me the other thing??? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:::? Why did you suddenly abandon your rule on editing (Croatians Croatia, Serbians Serbia)...you're not using double standards, are you? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: But it's funny how you called upon in editing Croatia, but even ''in this same subject'' by applying a Mark II version calling users ''of Montenegrin confessional ethnicity'' (!) as a criteria, and then with Vojvodina you used the standard principle of consensus (which I use). Now please don't tell you wouldn't find that questionable from my feet. ;)))
:::: I don't understand your mention of [[Serbophobia]]...? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: So basically you're trying to create Croatophobia and delete Serbophobia?
::::: I am discussing exactly that "''against rules''" - which rules? And my long essay which he decided to ignore is dedicated wholesomely to that. Please, read it.
::::: It's not similar, because Hungarians were in minority in Vojvodina then. And please define "''proud Montenegrin''" please. Because "proud" members of nations on Wikipedia (and in the real life, mostly) are always nationalists, and they are always POV and biased. Are you looking at teh same time for a proud Krajina Serb to go and edit the Serbs of Croatia article and prove that independence of Croatia was against the rules as well as takeover of the Republic of Serbian Krajina...please tell me?
::::: If you just go and view what you did, it's like you're using different criteria and different reasoning, but in every single moment you seem to have the Serbs at the edge of your knife. ;( Don't tell me that that wouldn't make ya skeptical if you were watching yourself from someone else's eyes. :X
::::: But again - you mixed up the term. Now again you refrain to ''users from Montenegro'', but I remind you that you didn't invite on that criteria, but based on ''users who nationally identify themselves as Montenegrins'' and now you've even written "proud Montenegrin". Didn't you read when I wrote about Bormalagurski suddenly deciding to become a Croat to make his vote count? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: There ''are'' many neutral Serb editors on Wikipedia, though. Shoot. I'd like that article deleted, though. I don't think that you have that kind of opinion, but that's the kind of it you're showing.
:::::: And I will repeat myself. You asked for users ''of Montenegrin national confession'', and not those who supported an independent Montenegro. '''I''' for example was a supporter of Montenegrin independence in 2006, so I guess you mean me? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::: P.S. Right now I'm a bit scared and will probably abandon the Creation of Yugoslavia article...I've seen Hobartimus delete traces of Hungarian part in genocide throughout WWII... and I'm a little worried about the Talk:Creation of Yugoslavia and your shockingly undying support of him (just like you once said that whatever is OK to Hobartimus is to you as well). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::Another reason why I got that (possibly wrong) impression is the contents of [[User:Rjecina/Future articles|this]] one of many subpages of yours. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 00:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::No, no, no. For me too this process lasted for 35 days (actually it bases on the way you view it, you ''could'' also say it's a process that lasted from practically 6-7 years, from the Nis Declaration to the proclamation of Saint Vitus' Day's Constitution. And the latter is not my opinion, but is ''fact''. Actually you forgot about the Yugoslav Committee in there. No, I do not agree - as I pointed out at the talk page. And other does not contain blatantly wrong information so it's not "critic", it just needs expansion. ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::BTW I have this morning decided to become a Magyar. ;) I guess you're now free to ask me something in regards to that. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Huh? I don't understand, why did you delete them? And let me remind you, everything stays on Wikipedia (history) - nothing's deleted. Of course I'm not gonna delete any part of my talk page - when it becomes too large, I'm gonna archive it. 
I'm sorry but I cannot be very much active, I've had a heavy [[tonsillectomy]] with complications and you know - the older you are, the worse's the operation. 
Well I guess that that rules me out then - I ''do not'' nationally self-declare as a [[Serb]]. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 14:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

== Gulas paprikas ==

Ah, very, very naughty indeed. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

==[[Jasenovac concentration camp]]==
Well, the editor should use the preview button rather than making all these separate edits, but it's easy enought to wait until he's finished and look at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jasenovac_concentration_camp&diff=155550968&oldid=155482211 editing as a whole] [[User:Citicat|CitiCat]][[User_talk:Citicat| ♫]] 03:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

==Deleting your user subpages==
No problem. In the future, you can just be <nowiki>{{Db-userreq}}</nowiki> at the top of the page, and it'll get deleted. [[User:Citicat|CitiCat]][[User_talk:Citicat| ♫]] 04:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

== Your request for arbitration ==

As an [[WP:AC/C|arbitration clerk]], I am leaving you this note to advise that the Arbitration Committee has declined to hear the case you filed concerning [[Serbophobia]]. Some of the arbitrators made some suggestions for other possible means of resolving this dispute, which you can find in the page history at [[WP:RfAr]] if you have not already seen them. Regards and good luck, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 22:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

== Saborsko and Gospić ==

Hello Rjecina. Sorry I didn't respond to you on Saborsko massacre earlier. If User:Kubura is happy with the page as it is now, I have no further ammendments for the time being. Now to talk about Gospić: you must believe me when I tell you that I am on nobody's specific side in the ethnic conflict disputes; my purpose of late has been to use our editorial abilities to ensure that parties are not misrepresented in the way that they can be when potrayed by rival governments, unsympathetic media and politicly motivated "international" courts. As you know, Croatians have been on both sides of the gun with regards international condemnation: whilst Milan Babić was tried for crimes against ethnic Croatians, you have Gotovina is in the dock now for crimes against Serbs, not to mention the Croatian comedian duo Dario & Mario, who were given 15 and 25 years for atrocities against Muslims in Bosnia. In other words, yes you are right to voice your concerns that Croatian crimes have been overblown, inflated and exaggerated. Now if you're interested, I will glady help you straighten out the Gospić massacre article; I will even go ahead of you if you so wish, even if the local Chetniks accuse me of being an Ustashe agent. The thing is, I am not an expert on the events themselves; I know ''of'' them from the outside looking inward. My editing is more aimed at quashing POV-style sentences. Where there is war, never should anyone say "Group A started attacking Group B", because Group A will never accept that; what they do is in retaliation to something; but at the same time, we don't say "Group B did such and such to Group A"; we simply state that "...fighting emerged between the two groups". It may be like tennis in that every hit is in reply to an offensive, but there is no clear definition to say who served (attacked first). I am not only talking about the Balkan wars, but all of the worlds battles going back to Time Immemorial. Perhaps my edits are more philosophical in nature, but as they say "there is no smoke without fire". Likewise Rjecina, when Chetniks tell me "there is no fire", I look for smoke! :-) , so; as a gesture of good will, let us take an interest in Gospić, now would you be so kind as to tell me everything you know to be wrong with the article: and I will make edits on it, even if it just ironing out POVs. I noticed you said that of the people killed, fewer than half were Serb. Serbs are obviously claiming that they were in the majority. So where did you get the information from? But where did they get theirs from too I ask. Drop me a few words on my Talk Page and piece by piece, we will get to the bottom of it. Thanks. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 22:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes I totally agree that it should be changed. 24/50 is not a majority, a plurality maybe but not important. In the end of the day, an act is considered to be a war-time atrocity because the victims are human beings. It doesn't matter to which ethnic, religious or political groups they belong. Can you direct me to your source which informs that the number killed was 50, and Serbs were 24 of them? If I don't read from you by tomorrow (Thursday) evening, I'll investigate it myself; at this minute I am a little busy with ''non-wiki'' priorities so to speak. We'll speak soon. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 20:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:::All right, I've made somthing of an edit. Obviously I cannot interfere with the 23-100 piece because they are both sourced. I believe that the 50 (24 Serbs) part does outweigh the previous, because that was concluded by an investigation after the 23-100 sources; plus they are just reports. If a Chetnik wishes to revert me, I will retrun it and bring the source closer to the new addition. Are you all right with this? [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 20:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hello again, I've made another alteration now. This should better describe the situation and ease off the "just Serbs" part. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 08:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Votec ==

I haven't really followed what you two are doing, but it appears that the two of you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. I would recommend that you request full-protection in [[WP:RPP|Requests for protection]] so that nobody can edit the article and so that the two of you can discuss the issue. You may also want a [[WP:3O|third opinion]]. Regards, '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|bibliomaniac]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|15]]''''' [[WP:TEA|Tea anyone?]] 23:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:In that case, you will probably want to request this at [[WP:ANI]], where administrators will look at it and decide on how to act. I'm not even too sure what to do in this case. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|bibliomaniac]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|15]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|Two years of trouble and general madness]] 20:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

== Re [[User:Votec]] ==

:Is the guy another Chetnik supporter? (i.e. does he write to support them anywhere?) [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] 15:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:I see... well I'm currently involved in no fewer than 6 disputes (mostly with Italians and Serb radicals) and I really can't get to Jasenovac right now, so I'd reccomend you simply ''immediately report'' the fanatic [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|here]]. It's difficult, however, to get someone banned for personal attacks but nevertheless, best of luck. [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] 15:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

== Secession ==

Important notice: In 1991, Rjecina, Croatia hasn't declared secession (odvajanje, odcjepljenje), but "razdruženje" (something like "dissolved partnership"). [[User:Kubura|Kubura]] 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Croatian Wikipedian's notice board ==

At Wikipedia, edit warring is '''harmful to the encyclopedia'''. We do not encourage it, we do revert solely to bring real life nationalistic disputes into Wikipedia to get your point of view across in articles (this goes for the "Chetniks" or whatever the term is that you feel are also perpetuating a point of view). As such, I have deleted the board you created. If you [[WP:NOT#BATTLEGROUND|continue to bring real world nationalistic disputes onto Wikipedia]], you will be indefinitely blocked.—[[User:Ryulong|Ryūlóng]] ([[User talk:Ryulong|竜龍]]) 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:Wikipedia is not the place for nationalist fighting. Please reserve that for football stadiums. Revert-warring along nationalist lines is not acceptable, '''ever'''. Nor is [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]. [[User:Moreschi|Moreschi]] [[User talk:Moreschi|Talk]] 21:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Try WikiProject Croatia. If by "spy" you mean [[WP:STALKING#Wikistalking|stalking]] other users, that is expressly forbidden and will get a long term block.[[User:Rlevse|Rlevse]] 23:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Not national-extremist fighting, right. 
Still, users have to be informed about certain events. 
Sometimes other users from certain country: 
- need information from countrymen (help with arguments), 
- sometimes other users from certain country should be informed about certain events on this wiki regarding their country. 
It might be event like voting. This might collide with rule WP:CANVASS, but there's a "remedy": both sides should be informed, and without suggesting about voting. At least, serious users should be informed. 
I've witnessed few times that there were votings on Wikipedia about names of certain articles or when there was RfA for some users, about whose behaviour the users from certain country didn't knew anything. [[User:Kubura|Kubura]] 00:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== ? ==

What are you talking about? [[User:Paulcicero|Paulcicero]] 22:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
: Well good i think its a stupid idea anyway [[User:Paulcicero|Paulcicero]] 23:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

==Vlachs of Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro==
Maybe [[Morlachs|this article]] would help you (see also the references). Cheers! --[[User:Olahus|Olahus]] 18:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Yugoslav wars ==

Ya know I'm not sure that the SANU 1986 Memorandum is the direct cause of the Yugoslav wars. It goes a little deeper and more complicated than that I'm afraid. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

:Wait a minute, '''destroyed by family death'''???
:I was originally planning to rewrite the whole article and greatly expand it, but I backed off.
:In that manner of context, yeah. But to me personally, nationalism never rose up in former Yugoslavia. It was ''already there''.
:I'm just annoyed with silence. I've met plenty of Croatian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Albanian, Romanian American editors that are "silent workers", and for them edit wars do not exist and they '''never''' end up answering my questions.
:Yes, I understand your logic. But you forget that that was all an agreed war. The Krajina authorities were just a puppet of Franjo Tudjman and Slobodan Milosevic, the Two Towers that destroyed Yugoslavia and were probably the best Yugoslav political friends in reality. Both Franjo Tudjman and Slobodan Milosevic supported the removal of Serbs from Croatia, and today we know that Milosevic greatly encouraged (to my opinion even threatened by war in east Slavonia) to take over Krajina and deport the Serbs to Serbia, so that he could ship them to Kosovo. It just is the truth that the RSK authorities officially called its population to flee, and organized it. Its defenders were even preparing for evacuation. . But so is the case that the Croatian state core wanted to remove them and conspired and promoted it. In the end it's just like you said - they appear to have had some logic in them next to their criminal minds, and obviously cared for their people unlike Serbia.
:Btw have you been wiki-stalking me? :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 01:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::This actually not correct. That's ''not'' accepted in Serbia, but actually by the allies, and I say '''traditionally''' because only recently did Kocevic and Zerjavic research the matter into much more full details. I believe that the actual source is the secret German Nazi archive, which was getting worried by the world's attention Jasenovac might draw.
::I do not know of such statement. I believe he cited between 90 and 100 people.
::Well the best answer is that Tudjman was, like Milosevic, a man of very little moral standards. The only thing that we can say with certainty today is that Tudjman obviously cared ''to an extent'' about his people, at least more than Milosevic. And Milosevic didn't hold those territories under occupation - the support of Krajina was mostly in 1991, and ended with the withdrawal and that last Bulatovic-Milosevic-Karadzic-Babic-Abdic concord in 1992. Eastern Slavonia, Baranya and Western Syrmia is the only part of Croatia that could be said was under "FRY" occupation, to an extent (and remember that Slobodan Milosevic became the true ruler of FRY in 1997). Keep on mind that Milosevic and Tudjman made commercial agreements, Croatia became another drop-off point in the cigarette smuggling (Milosevic was a major mafia boss) and that FRY supplied Croatia with weapons. Milosevic was worried how the war went, especially after the UN took protectorate. In 1995 he did everything imaginable in his power to make the Z-4 plan. We know are sure that he guaranteed to Tudjman that the Z-4 plan will fail. And remember that anti-Croat propaganda limited itself only to the beginning. The Dalmatian pogrom, the Gospic massacre, takeover of most of West Slavonia with reporters reporting thousands dead and lands burnt, Serbs wide-scale discriminated fired and evicted, even lynched in places like Vukovar... But mysteriously, afterwards - nothing. Serbia media ''never ever'' reported Operations Flash, Storm, nothing, before Milosevic's fall in 2000. It just kept neutral, numb about anything related to Croatia, except that in 1998 "the war ended by peace between Serbs and Croats" (!).
::I just remembered one thing (the Trpimirovici-Nemanjici allegation). I've heard claims that Nemanjics' realm is a Croat realm. Ante Starcevic, for example, alluded that the Croatian historical national area sprang from the East Alps to Attica, which was the place were Emperor Dusan stopped with his conquests. :))) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, the claim is ''not'' based on the allegation that the Nemanyiden descend from the Trpimirovics (so far I haven't seen ''anywhere'' data on that, but Verancin demands it to stay in Wikipedia), but on something different. Actually, two theories. The claim that proto-Serbs were a part of the Croatian nation before secession as a different people and the claim that Montenegrins are Croats (Ante Starcevic called on both, for example). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Article ==

Check out the [[Serbian presidential election, 2007]] article and tell me what you think. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:''In that way he will become first modern Serbia leader which has lost position in normal way.'' I don't understand. What do you mean?

:I've seen. [http://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mihail_Gorba%C4%8Dov&diff=867030&oldid=849743 Nice job]. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:Also does that mean that you would actually be glad if [[Tomislav Nikolic]] wins (since we now know [[Maja Gojkovic]] won't run)? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

::I suppose you mixed the first one with ''Milos'' Obrenovic? And he was elected Supreme Prince in ''1817''. Actually he abdicated ''willingly''. Aleksandar Karadjordjevic was elected Prince in ''1843'', and he was ''deposed'' (which's worse that that which you said). '''Milos''' Obrenovic died normally, yeah. Isn't that ordinary, death? :) Milan Obrenovic abdicated ''willingly''. I don't understand what you mean about Petar Karadjordjevic.
::Firstly, you should stop mixing Serbian and Yugoslavian rulers, so I'm just going to tick off the Yugoslavian ones. ;)
::And as for the most modern ones: Slobodan Milosevic's Presidential seat was confirmed in the 1990 presidential election; he got re-elected with the formation of a rump Yugoslavia in 1992. In 1997 his term normally expired and he never ran again. Milan Milutinovic's term also normally expired in 2003.
::Of course that Boris Tadic will win, but you say that you'd be glad if he loses - whom would you '''want''' to see?
::'''Most''' leaders killed or deposed? I don't think it's most. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Of course I do not have different opinion from you (lol, you ''know''?). But Milos Obrenovic '''had''' died of ''normal death''. :)
:::You should leave 1980. Freedom (if at least on paper) and parliamentarism was (re)introduced in Serbia in 1990. And for "real rulers" you have to look for both Presidents and Prime Ministers at the same time. Milosevic was probably the real ruler of Yugoslavia, but so was Tito - and Yugoslavia is not Serbia, so do not count those ones. [[Slobodan Milosevic]] was the President of Serbia from 1992 to 1997, when he didn't run again (he had a short 1991-1992 term before FRY was constructed previously). He was succeeded by [[Milan Milutinovic]], who served the office in full term until 2002. [[Dragutin Zelenovic]] was Prime Minister in 1991, and [[Radoman Bozovic]] in 1991-1993 during the FRY transformation; [[Nikola Sainovic]] was once up to 1994. [[Mirko Marjanovic]] served in two separate terms (before and after 1998) to 2000. [[Zoran Djindjic]] was Prime Minister in 2001-2003, and yeah; he was assassinated. But [[Vojislav Kostunica]] already had served a (2004-2007) term. Get my point? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I forgot [[Zoran Zivkovic]] who was Prime Minister in 2003-2004. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:::You didn't answer me, who would you like to see in place as President of Serbia? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Considering that Serbia is being torn apart by battles between Kostunica and Tadic, you can guess - both are. I mean originally it's supposed to be a Semi-Presidential system anyway, which means that both President and Premier are important in the first place. However here's the true kick. Most of the government are Boris Tadic's men. However, the ''Prime Minister'' is Vojislav Kostunica, who comes from a minor party in the ruling coalition. And now you can guess everything yourself, don't you? :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 15:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Many of those dead were Roms, Jews, Croats and others. You forget that not only Bosnia-Herzegovina, but modern-day Croatia too counts (in which the number of Serbs increased). In addition to that, tens of thousands of people were shipped from Montenegro and Serbia to NDH camps. I don't think that that number is a Serbian invention at all, but of course, it's obviously false and used by nationalist Serbs. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 15:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::I meant to say that a lot of Serbians were deported to NDH, as well as a lot of Montenegrins. It's best that you don't accept '''any''' figure at all, just know that hundreds of thousands were brutally killed and not end up in revisionism like Franjo Tudjman. :) There are other people for that.
:::::What do you mean by western Syrmia? I don't understand you. Also, people have calculated censuses municipality-by-municipality for the territory of modern-day Croatia. In the 1931 census there were 636,284 Serbs, and in 1948 543,795.
:::::I wouldn't call them "problems". Milan Bandic seemed like a nice guy and was my personal favorite for the new SDP leader. I think the situation is even more with Serbia. Practically '''ALL''' Serbian leaders are/were Montenegrin. Even today, the President of Serbia is a Montenegrin (OK, Kostunica may not be, but still, he's just a very rare exception). ;)
:::::You still didn't answer - who would you like to see President of Serbia, if not Tadic? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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Ceda still hasn't told he'll run in the first place. And in the end, keep on mind that he represents a small ultra-liberal portion, that still doesn't enjoy support in mostly conservative Serbia. As flavor on top of it, there's no party like it in former Yugoslavia - and very little in Europe at all. It'll be years before LDP is able to enter any government, lest even give a President. 
I'll deal with it. That's because the Chronicle '''explicitly''' tells the names, genealogies of those people (without a link between the Trpimirovic and Vojislavljevic) and ''every single'' (of its at least three) version(s). But sure, most of those names are truly found only in the chronicle, so it deserves at least a footnote. 
I don't understand what you mean with that last point. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 16:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, I still don't get it (what massacre?).
:Well then, let's correct it. :) I never mentioned I do not like it! If you're using Montenegrina, then you should've noticed '''2''' of the four versions of the Chronicle (one mentioning it and the other not). Understood. I will note that. The 2 links you gave is one identical version. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:BTW let me quote to you what the author of the version of the LjPD in question on the Archbiship:
::"''He so much mixes regions, genealogy and chronology that it is obvious that he would rather write fairy tales than history''".
:The man is [[Joannes Lucius]], to us better known as '''Ivan Lučić'''. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
::And I shall repeat again - the Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja has several links at its bottom. The "Croatian version" is another example. I sincerely have no idea why you just chose the two links you like, instead of all of them. ;) Besides I ''told you'' it's Montenegrina. And if I have to point as well - [http://montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/istorija/duklja/ljetopis_popa_dukljanina_hrvatska_redakcija.htm pointing]. Was this really necessary? :))) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:::That's not the third. The first ''is'' the third.
:::Well for some Croatian nationalistic claims about these things it's a little funny that the people in question dismiss a domestic Croatian version in favor of another. :))
:::Huh? No. There are numerous versions of the chronicle that survived to this day - the Croatian being just another. Let me then mention "Il Regno de gli Sclavi" of Mauro Orbini in Italian from 1601, it also bears no mention. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Exactly. There are countless versions. The Chronicle ''is'' a part of Orbin's work. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 14:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

== Marco Polo ==

Sure, here's the short version. Basicly, [[User:Zenanarh|Zenanarh]] and I believe both the ''"Venice theory"'' and the ''"Korčula ''(Curzola)'' theory"'' are equally valid. We believe they should both be represented '''equally'''. We have an ''often'' quoted ''Britannica'' reference, and Zenanarh has brought sources showing that the theory is not unfounded (see [[Talk:Marco Polo|talkpage]]). 
The ''"Venice theory"'' is supported by a relatively reasonable unregistered User that calls himself "Gallileo" and (of course) Giove. They believe only their theory should be priamrily shown, with the ''"Korčula theory"'' barely mentioned. 
Giove started the Request for Comment and psted his standard radical views at he beginning (along with a ''notorious'' sentence that states Croats exist from the 19th century) and then stopped writing anything. The unregistered User ("Gallileo") engaged in a debate and we sort of managed to prove our point. We could, of course, use your help. [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 14:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

== FRY ==

Did you know that practically all FRY leaders were Montenegrins? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== Arise of nationalism ==

Well, yeah, it could be said that it first came to prominence in Serbia of all Yugoslavian republics - but more precisely, it was ''Albanian'' nationalism, and in Kosovo - remember the 1981 rebellion/riots? It's mostly the beginning of the crumbling of Yugoslavia (right after death of Tito - no coincidence there). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Just like everyone says - it began on Kosovo and it'll end on Kosovo. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, but that only counts in former hot zones and for politicians from old "bad" parties from the 1990s. The number of people they or their ideologies have killed ''in truth'' is killing them. I guess that's the best proof they're ''human''.
::...not like Milo Djukanovic is getting older or sick. :) He's 46 after almost two decades of rule, and has bested out ''every single other'' Yugoslavian "you-know-what" ruler. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:::If I'm not mistaken, those are ''2'' questions. :)
:::Well, I haven't heard bad things about him - but there is a possibility that might be a result of lack of information.
:::There are historical interpretations, sources which stated that Dragutin ruled also modern-day Syrmia. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Hm. Perhaps you're right. Sounds something like [[Velimir Ilic]]. :))) Also I think he was the best choice of all 4 SDP leader candidates, no (I don't think Croatia is yet ready for a woman leader - it's Balkans after all)?
::::But just look at the polls - SDP will win the largest number of votes. In the end it all folds down to blocs and who will be able to form a government, so we'll see. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, check [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1868661459672273270&q=Milo+Djukanovic&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 this video] out. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 14:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't get it - how could a text written over 1,050 years ago be violating copy right? It's not copyrighted. Also, this is a '''citation''' of '''''a part''''' of the text, a frequent practice of Wikipedia. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

::How can a translation of Greek be copyrighted? Do you want me to alter it slightly? :) I really don't get the fuzz.

::Also, did you see that video? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

:::However, this didn't ''change'' regime - it '''is''' the regime.
:::What book are you talking about? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm not sure. [[Svetozar Marovic]] has expressed a lot of discontent recently, which means that he's trying hard to hide his Serbian nationalism. It's evident in cases like the Church conflict - where Svetozar criticized the MOC, giving full support to the Serbian Orthodox Church. President Filip Vujanovic is from Serbia and he's Serbian Orthodox, he swore to protect MOC from the SOC as long as he's President. He also oppose(d) the Montenegrin language, he claims it's one language and supports "Serbo-Montenegrin". I wouldn't be surprised if I found such a case with Milo, but he's off public lately.
::::All in all, I don't think anything changed - back in 1989 for Milo Djukanovic and his league the goal was '''stay in power''' and it hasn't changed until today ''in any way''. The thinking and ideology is '''completely''' the same. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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==== LOL! ====
Recent discoveries show that Tudjman and Milosevic economically supported each other to stay in power. Croatian President Franjo Tudjman and the notorious Banker of Serbia Dafina that robbed everything that could be robbed and kept Sloba in power had a common account and coordinated investments (both normal ones and criminal activities). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Most current Serbian political leaders? I am aware only of SRS. Please explain to me. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 16:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::Only '''''one''''' of the ''three'' persons (one other is dead and the other nobody likes) you mentioned are today political leaders, and I see absolutely no support of ethnic cleansing or genocide.
::I'm still waiting. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Well yeah, Serbia and Montenegro '''did''' commit aggression on Croatia in 1991 and 1992, of course I agree with you on that - and I sincerely do not think how could anyone disagree (however I am aware of the controversies - none of the three was a country, but an inner-state entity in a civil war), but if we speak about '''specific''' cases, it can be said without any single trinket of doubt that Serbia ''attacked'' Croatia at Vukovar, at least.
:::Does it mean that one and a half million Bosnians and Herzegovinians that support Republic of Srbska, and millions beyond BH are supporters of genocide???
:::I will repeat again - you still have not answered my question, and Vuk Draskovic is '''''nobody'''''. I'm still waiting... :)
:::It's a pure lie that it doesn't guarantee rights for everyone. It's '''not''' discriminating Serbs - it actually '''''mentions''''' them in the Preamble (the previous one didn't). However, it's designed to ''assimilate'' Serbs - on that one he's right. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes, I am. He didn't became Minister of Foreign Affairs because of the will of the people, but just because the S&M institutions were inherited by Serbia - and he became ''transitional'' Minister, everyone wanted to replace him but he was so stubborn he actually made it a whole year practically. And no - '''nearly no one supports him'''. He also is no political leader today - his SPO is trivially irrelevant, holding rule in practically ''a single'' Serbian municipality. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::You support Belarus? The only less democratic country than Montenegro in Europe? Why? :)
:::::Are you saying that most Serbian Deputies are genocide-supporters just because they voted for links with the Republic of Srbska and obviously "support" it (including President and especially Prime Minister)?
:::::BTW check out the last parliamentary election. Vuk's list didn't even accumulate enough votes to actually enter the parliament, with all little allies gathered around SPO. And with local elections forthcoming, SPO will finally definitely lose its meager positions in local self-management (several municipalities, only one in which they rule on their own). Also I'd like to see him run for President, so that he can really see the figure which supports him (lower than on last election). But he's obviously aware of that. ;) He resigned from his position as party president, but the board dismissed his resignation - they won't let him resign. ;)))
::::::I am still awaiting your answer regarding the "''most Serbian political leaders are supporters of genocide and ethnic cleansing''". So far I see only one - and he's not even activem, due to the fact that he stands on trial. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S - regarding the cro election, I reckon that's because HDZ propaganda recently (return of faces to the 1990s, replacement of the HTV editor with Tudjman's protegee, presenting HDZ and HSP in good ways and SDP as bad) resurrected is a result of that poll - but I'd still like to wait for the election. I myself haven't decided for whom to vote myself - bu it's surely not gonna be HDZ. Because if they really win (again) that would mean that nothing on situation has actually changed in Croatia... --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::By the way, you shouldn't automatically add Bosnian and Serb votes to HDZ. If you remove them (and add the Serbs to SDP), then SDP wins? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I know that, but I cannot support undemocracies. Belarus is a dictatorship. Besides, [[Montenegro]] was/is more "neo-Communist" than it (far more).
:::::::Well you said most modern Serbian political leaders were supporters of ethnic cleansing and genocide. I just asked you to explain me '''which are those''', aside from [[Vojislav Šešelj]] who isn't even in Serbia but on trial abroad (and is opposition)? Could you elaborate please?
:::::::''Myth''? As far as I understood ''you'' also agreed on this? Slobodan Milosevic is no traitor - he never betrayed anyone, because he was bound only to his family and the ruling political elite and never the people (especially not foreign people). Also I just reside in Serbia, but am from ''Croatia''. The comparison which you mentioned is completely not sensible. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, I know that (btw shouldn't it be '''primer''', ekavian?). I know well of controversial statements of Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica (from that one in 1992, across claims that the Hague Tribunal is nothing to DSS in 1997, to indirect defense of Slobodan Milosevic, and his levitation between SRS and DS - but always closer to DS in the end, not to mention several other links to some people), but he himself is a moderate nationalist - and always "gravitating" between the patriotic and democrat blocs (like Ivo Sanader?). However I fail to see that he anywhere supported ethnic cleansing or genocide - his own words not long ago was that the Serb forces conducted ''genocide'' in Srebrenica in 1995.
::::::::No, actually I'm not sure I understand after all. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::You shouldn't so oddly remove every single word and replace it that way - I'm notifying you that I reverted your edit. You should explain/ordain it better a bit. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, I haven't. What made you come to that conclusion? As I said, for me (although I most surely recognize it) the national concept has no greater meaning to me...partially perhaps because of "mixed" origin (which I myself do not recognize). What I say for myself is that I am of [[white]] race and of [[Slavic]] ethnicity. I am actually shocked as to what precisely made you think that, because this attitude of mine I strongly "propagate" to everyone on Wikipedia! --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::BTW (related to old story), Vuk Draskovic said that he will ''not'' run for President this time. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Will look. BTW your English has considerably improved since the first time you got here. :)
::::::::::The link you gave me does not exist?!?
::::::::::I do not see what there is not to accept. They cannot be the same - ''no one's'' the same. ;) But to me (and hopefully, most of the rational world) they '''are''' guilt...for whatever reasons are those. True, Milosevic ceased power in 1986 and Tudjman in 1990 - but I recall Tudjman's ultra-nationalist speeches there as well, in 1989 for instance. Then the (hatred?) speech to diaspora in 1987. But why I wouldn't really dare call Tudjman "answer to Milosevic" is because Tudjman's ultra-nationalism started '''''in the 1970s''''', and is one of the many reasons why he went to prison. If you ask me, Tudjman became a lot more rational, less ethnic hater in the 1990s, than he was back then (and he also stopped being anti-semitic altogether). :))) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::One of the strongmen in Belgrade is called [[Boris Tadić]], and if I recall he's like him. Like I said, everyone is different - but I asked you, '''tell me''', ''what'' precisely Serbian leaders are you referring to, apart of Vojislav Seselj (which isn't really a leader but more of an icon)? Also speaking two-ways, I think the situation is at least a little worse in Croatia because actually ''the HDZ'' is there in power. I know numerous times more people would be glad if a Croatian version Adenauer comes to power. ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::But that is ''different'' in the case of Serbia - in Serbia completely new people and political parties are in rule. What do you want it, to be like Montenegro, where Milo Djukanovic says that he's sorry for conspiring, spreading ethnic hatred, ordering the killings of hundreds of people and gets away that easy?
:::::::::::I did, several times: '''''President of the Republic of Serbia Boris Tadic''''' and President of the ''largest ruling political party'', the '''Democratic Party'''. If you didn't know Boris Tadic has numerous times apologized to every Croat in the world for the horrible crimes Serbian citizens or ethnic Serbs inflicted upon them during the 1990s - once even this year. You should also know that he is the draftee of the Resolution that banned genocide denial of the Srebrenica massacre. By the way, his wife is of Croat descent. Changed opinion? ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::To add another, this one from the opposition - Cedomir Jovanovic from the Liberal Democratic Party (btw he claims that Serbs in Croatia live far better than Serbs in Serbia). You told me to give you one and here's two...so? ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes, sadly - bad news always get there first, and good ones are often missed. For example, no one noticed that the Serbian Minister of Economy Mladjan Dinkic was proclaimed '''best Economy Minister in the world'''. :) BTW he's of G17 Plus, a small but notable party that is part of the ruling coalition - and he has never supported the war, AFAIK he never has mentioned ever anything about it - but ''has'' hired numerous people of different ethnicities; what is interesting to note is that he said that he wouldn't rest until he found a Croat from Zagreb to be a member of his party - and he didn't rest. ;) She is now his right hand and party vice-president. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You still haven't told me...you asked for '''one''' political leader. ;) By the way, in March this year when the Serbians were negotiating a government, a little controversy was raised when according to some proposals all Ministers would've been Christians, so one seat reserved for Rassim Ljajic, was given to a him - the Minister of Labour and Social Policy. He's a Muslim, and he is also Serbia's President of the Coordination Team with the Hague Tribunal. I also remember that in some talk shows there were bad opinions because no minister is Croat. Oh and Rasim Ljajic is evidently another Serbian political leader - he's president of the Sanjak Democratic Party - that never supported the wars to the west in any way.
:::::::::::::Are you talking about Mladja? Why do you think he is bad? Just because of the Cyprus money controversy? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

=== Croatian election ===
Done. You'll just have to correct to party colors. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'm still not sure whether I'll vote for HSS-HSLS...or maybe HNS-LD or even SDP HR. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::Although I'd like to see some ethnic minorities in the government, that which he's asking is really improper.
::By the way, was there a minority member of the government in Croatia since 1990 (a Serb?)? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

=== MNE ===
[[Montenegro]] - did you hear about the [[Constitution of Montenegro|new Constitution]]? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:I never take any offense that's not directed against me. :D
:But I still don't get - ''what'' Serbian party "screams"? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 18:58, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'd not dare say most Montenegrin nationals want that. That's desired by the minor political elite that reigns Montenegro as a result of Slobodan Milosevic's heritage from 1989 till toay.
::Also please do not compare the situation of Croats and Serbs in Croatia with Montenegrins and Serbs in Montenegro - it has absolutely nothing similar. Don't you agree?
::By the way - the new Constitution isn't discriminatory against Serbs, but the Constitutional Act '''''is'''''. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Well my opinion is that there is absolutely zero threat of assimilation to Montenegro - after all, one of the reasons to evade that was an independent MNE, and with that done so did any such possibility disappear. Also the (factually non-existent) "Montenegrin language" is now the primary official language in Montenegro, and Serbian is only recognized for usage - while no religion is anymore sanctioned by the Government (thus no longer the Eastern Orthodox Church). See other cases like Moldova. And Macedonia is a very strong fully fledged nation that is not jeopardized by neither Bulgarians nor Serbs that (some of them) claim them.
:::Of course that Montenegrin leadership doesn't fear assimilation of Montenegrins into Serbs. After all, only yesterday they ''were'' Serbian nationalists unmatched in former Yugoslavia. Do you forget who those people are: [[Milo Djukanovic]], [[Svetozar Marovic]], etc...? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Well that's not quite fully correct with the case in Macedonia. The Macedonian language is a dialect totally different from Serbian dialect Macedonian and Bulgarian dialect Macedonian. It was created in the late 19th century, and Tito only '''promoted it''', completely forcing out the majority Serbian-like and Bulgarian-sounding dialects out of the Republic of Macedonia, so that know they all speak this ''formerly minor'' dialect that was spoken near Ohrid, close to Albania.
::::Well Nicholas has always been Montenegrin, we can't say that he "became Montenegrin". And he was also always Serb - and yes, to his death. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

==Question==

Hi, Rječina. I wanted to ask you if there's a noiticeboard for Croatian users. If so, could you point me to it? [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 09:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Late answer ==

Hi. On July, 21st you left a message on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dc76#Discussion_about_false_map my talk page]. I am sorry, I was very busy then and in the time since then, I did not answer. If there is anything interesting related to that, please let me know. Best wishes, :[[User:Dc76|Dc76]]\[[User_talk:Dc76|talk]] 17:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Vrlika ==

That edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vrlika&diff=164335678&oldid=164264078] is an vandalism. You've gave a source, and that person has deleted it. 
Personally, I think we're dealing with one person that we know. Similar edit pattern. 
However, don't loose your temper and engage in the edit war. Put your version (you can do that, because you've given an reference), and then use talkpage and tell him that he cannot delete these lines just like that. I repeat, don't engage in the edit war. Explain your opponent there, what he has to do and what he cannot do. 
Than he'll have to answer. [[User:Kubura|Kubura]] 13:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

:He removed my edits as well, I think it is time to report him, from what I can see in the talk pages, he doesn't listen to reason. --[[User:Jesuislafete|Jesuislafete]] 18:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

This user Kukar has similar edit and threat pattern as user Votec. [[User:Kubura|Kubura]] 06:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

:It dosnt look like Im deleting anything does it. What I do is revert back to the versions that other people have deleted from. What i find interesting is people are deleting areas where citations are needed and anything to do with Serbs or Serbians in Vrlika and Kukar. [[User:Kukar|Kukar]] 18:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

:::No, you are overreacting. It happens a lot on wikipedia. Just because things are removed off a page, does not make it vandalism. Vandalism can have many meanings--including clogging up a page with irrelevent info. Vrlika must be the first Croatian geographical page with such a large portion devoted to churches. Amazing. --[[User:Jesuislafete|Jesuislafete]] 02:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

::Sorry, I deleted that by accident on the graves. I put down Old-Croatian as it is '''Starohrvatski''' on the reference. Accept my apology. [[User:Kukar|Kukar]] 04:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

::::By the way Rjecina, I think you are doing an excellent job with your edits. Svaka ti čast. --[[User:Jesuislafete|Jesuislafete]] 02:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Watch out for edits ==

Don't worry, it's bound to be unlocked at some point. Plus, we both need to keep an eye out for Croatian pages being vandalised mostly by anonymous users, like the one at [[Lika]], but now [[user:Paulcicero]] is jumping on the anti-Croatian bandwagon, so watch out. Apparently, he thinks it's encyclopedic and very important to add that "Lijepa li si" is a fascist song in the page of [[Josip Simunic]]. I wonder why he doesn't add his favourite food and TV show while he's at it. --[[User:Jesuislafete|Jesuislafete]] 05:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Marco Polo (and [[User:Ghepeu|Ghepeu]]) ==

Hi Rjecina, I'd just like to turn your attention to the [[Marco Polo]] article, there are basically two problems here:

* Our pal [[User:Ghepeu|Ghepeu]], insists on saying "most sources support the Venetian theory". And that "Polo was a self-declaring venetian citizen". What this means, really, is "we think most scientists believe this theory" and "Polo says he was born in venice, so the above thingy is stupid". He also insists on uncompromisingly calling Korčula "Curzola", without even the contemporary local word for the island in brackets ().

* I ''seriously'' suspect a lot of stuff was removed from the Korčula theory arguments subsection. In any case it needs expansion, could you add a sentence or two?

Thnx, [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 08:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:Because you do not answer I am going to remove the POV tag from Marco Polo article. Regards.--[[User:Giovanni Giove|Giovanni Giove]] 23:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

== Panonian ==

Panonian has dissapeared from Wikipedia. In fact I don't regret it, but it is strange in fact. Maybe he turned rusty? Do you know what happened with him?
In fact, it is not a bad idea to check what he did on the Wikipedia; many articles made by him are not as objective as expected.
[[User:Fcsaba|Fcsaba]] 19:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

== Huh? ==

I'm sorry but I don't understand you (on both accounts)? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 16:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, yeah...I forgot you're socialist-orientated. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:That's nothing new... the [[Albanian National Army]] exists for some time by now (both in Macedonia and Serbia, allegedly with roots in Greece and Albania). We shouldn't be surprised that it grows.

:Also you still haven't voiced yourself regarding the Serbian politicians. :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

::Yes, like I said. I will not comment Vuk Draskovic because he's not (practically) a politician at all, but just a writer. And you should know that Vuk has had those statements while he was under influence from being together with Vojislav Seselj, and the Croatian Mirko Jovic, forming together the ultra-nationalist SNPO (Serbian People's Renewal Movement). As the three parted on their own ways, SNO became a Slavonian regional Serb nationalist party, Vojislav Seselj went to lead the "Chetniks" in their atrocities and Vuk aimed his SPO to become the leader of the democratic opposition ''by 1992'', '''and has peace/secession of hostilities''' implanted in its program. I myself never support those kinds of things - that's why I am never supporting Vojislav Kostunica or Stjepan Mesic, and of course not Milo Djukanovic or Svetozar Marovic. And about Tomislav Nikolic - we're talking about presence I shall remind you again, and he is not today the Speaker. As for Ivica Dacic - the kind of which political party he is leader I obviously see, but could you tell me where did he as an individual agitate for war? I can't quite remember.
::About Boris Tadic that is false, and considering that he's one of the rare ex Yugoslavian leaders that actually prides himself on that, probably even insulting. Boris Tadic '''''never''''' said he's sorry because of his wartime statements - because there is no such thing. What he did is apologize, as President of a country, for the historical part in the wrongdoing during the 1990s citizens of that country or its leadership conducted.
::True, though today having a different opinion, Vojislav Kostunica has never repented for (''any'' of his) sins unlike Vuk Draskovic, but DSS-NS leader isn't just Kostunica. There is Velimir Ilic of New Serbia - and though a heavy Serb nationalist Ilic, he has never supported the war at all. Dragan Markovic "Palma" of the minor United Serbia, yes, he has (and fiercely), bu Vojislav Mihailovic of the Serbian Democratic Renewal Movement has never. So no, I don't see some sort of a "pro-war" majority. BTW one of the political leaders that ran in the election were supporters of the Bosnian side in the war, financed terrorists in Serbia and greatly agitated hatred towards Serbs. ;) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::You should know that '''below 20%''' seats were reserved for SDP in its coalition with the Pensioners. And also I can't quite remember the bad opinions of Covic in general (and regardless, he's irrelevant just as Vuk - actually even more). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 09:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, the sad truth is that members of the so-called "patriotic bloc" received majority votes (which for the first time, actually showed itself on act with the election of Tomislav Nikolic for parliamentary president), however good news is that they are obviously weakening.
:::You forget Mladjan Dinkic too. :)
:::About Ivica Dacic yes as I said we all know which party is he President, but interestingly, he's attempting to copy HDZ in Croatia by reforms. Keeping by Milosevic's heritage, he also evicted a lot of his old guard, supported a minority government of Kostunica (the previous one) and regularly votes for many laws, rather than the Radicals who oppose practically anything. SPS also completely abandoned dealing with greater rhetoric, and they know mainly deal with social life of people. It is to my opinion that this actually saved it from failing to enter the parliament, allowing just enough votes to pass the census. But he's still a bad guy, because the party hasn't really abandoned Sloba's heritage, just like Ivo is bad as President of HDZ (though undoubtedly better than this guy). ;)
:::Actually for Nebojsa Covic, I have to defend him. His change of attitude has nothing to do with that. All he was - was regular Mayor of Belgrade. And he was known as a very good mayor (of course, not better than Nenad Bogdanovic, who just know died of cancer). In 1997 he was supposed to get elected for Mayor again, but he was shocked by the enormous rigging votes in the election. He standed down and revealed the secrets to the democrat opposition how Milosevic managed to win all this time - one of the greatest methods was by abruptly adding the votes of all ethnic Albanians with voting right. He then went on a local campaign to convince the people of the truth behind SPS, eventually forming a nation-wide party (Democratic Alternative) that joined the DOS in an effort to oust Milosevic.
:::Well that's what I've been trying to explain to you about Draskovic - he '''wasn't''' in position because of people's will. In 2006 he imposed himself as a transitional Minister of Foreign Affairs (until the election), as Serbia was a successor of the S&M union, so it "inherited" him. And then his party had '''three seats in the parliament''' (of total '''''250'''''). :)
:::Do you ''really'' think it's actually relevant that Tomislav Nikolic was Speaker of the National Assembly for '''''three days'''''? ;D To me numerous times more shocking thing is that Vladimir Seks (who is paired to Vojislav Seselj - check out the nicknames - rather than Toma) is Speaker for a full session, a man who is a hard-line ultra-nationalist and most probably a war criminal.
:::No, AFAIK no one dislikes Stipe around those circles. It is just I that (as well as the liberal circles) don't really like people that just change their official opinions because of the situation, most notably I hate that kind of people because of Milo Djukanovic. So Stjepan Mesic is (the memory in my mind about some Croatian critics calling him an Ustasha, justly, is still fresh in my mind) just like those people, albeit countless times better than Kostunica, of course. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Prebilovci Page ==

Look, Rjecina, I now very dam well why you deleted some parts of Prebilovci Page, because that mention of Virgin Mary. I just write what is true. So if you want to be an ashole, it's ok, but if that comes with missusing ypur powe, itäs an another thing. Make it how it was oon the page. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.67.92.73|213.67.92.73]] ([[User talk:213.67.92.73|talk]]) 11:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC) 

== sorry ==

Ok, toyr right. Unlock the prebilovci page and it will be alright.

== sorry ==

Ok, your right. Unlock the prebilovci page and it will be alright. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.27.187.225|217.27.187.225]] ([[User talk:217.27.187.225|talk]]) 14:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC) 

== Prebilovci Page ==

Rerete saying that. Tou are just missusing ypur power here on wikipedia

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== Oznake ==

Prijatelju vidim da si oznake postavio za komandu obuke,amblemi centara za obuku su odbaceni
svi ce imati isti amblem, bez broja
i 25 bataljon nece imati takve oznake to je potvrdio i opfor sa foruma sa koga si postovao oznake,25. bataljon VP nece imati crvenu boju na amblemu(ova sadasnja je bordo, a garda hoce crvenu sa zastave) sto bi onda licilo na albanske boje.
Sto se tice misija u Avganistanu i Sudanu moras da navedes reference,i nemoj mnogo da uplodujes slike sa sajta vojske jel ce se zaliti.

[[user:Boki13|Boki13]]

== Image:Serbian Ground Force.png ==

Ova slika ti ima jednu gresku komanda kopnenih snaga je u Nisu a ne Beogradu proveri na sajtu vojske.

[[user:Boki13|Boki13]] —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Boki13|Boki13]] ([[User talk:Boki13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Boki13|contribs]]) 12:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 

== Sp.brig ==

A nisi ni specijalnu brigadu uneo ,uneo si samo 2 bataljona a ima ih pet,pogledaj stranu o specijalnoj brigadi,
* Command
* Commanding Battalion
* 63rd Paratroop Battalion
* 72nd Reconnaissance-commando Battalion ( ovde treba Reconnaissance-commando Battalion)
* Antiterrorist Battalion
* Logistics company

fali ti jos i ovo 21. Liaison Battalion a ti si napisao 21.Signal.

Rekoh ti da je 72 zove sad 72nd Reconnaissance-commando Battalion,a ti si napisao 72 assault
a mogao bi da stavis i ovaj sa palavom pozadinom logo avijacije umesto onog Image:Znak rvpvo.jpg,umesto onog na semi rganizacije rvpvo
[[User:Boki13|Boki13]] 14:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image:T-55 vs fićo.jpg==

How did you obtain the copyright on this image?[[User:Geni|Geni]] 21:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Savet ==
Savetujem ti da izbegavas da stavljas slike gde se vide rdja na vozilima,dotrajale garaze i skladista kao sa onim BVP sa maljutkama i gde se na uniformama vide oznake VJ,za ovo prvo da se nesramotimo a ovo drugo ipak reprezentujemo VS ovde sa novim obelezjem.

[[User:Boki13|Boki13]] 20:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== Recna Flotila ==
Daj bre klinci vi niste normalni koja recna flotila posebna komanda kad je ona u okviru komande prve brigade ,em jos u okviru kova,nema Srbija vise mornaricu to je samo namenska jedinica od 4 minolovca i 2 desantna camca malo procitajte nesto pre nego sto bilo sta menjate ili pitajte nekog!
--[[User:Boki13|Boki13]] 16:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Mislabeling of images ==

I think you are mislabeling your uploaded images. Please refrain from doing this, as it infringes on the rights of others and give Wikipedia a bad name. I labeled some images <nowiki>{{copyvio}}</nowiki>, and an administrator will look at them shortly. If I'm wrong, please accept apologies. [[User:Harald Hansen|Harald Hansen]] 09:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

== Zandarmerija ==
Mali opet se igras se dobro uredjenom stranom kakve hamere ti stavljas u zandarmeriju kad su oni pripali PTJ,sto si dirao dobro uradjenu tabelu.--[[User:Boki13|Boki13]] 17:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Commons ==

Najbolje da se uclanis u wikipedija commons tu uplodujes slike kao public domen i odatle ih stavis gde hoces na wikipediju.--[[User:Boki13|Boki13]] 17:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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== IF YOU COULD HELP ME IN ANY WAY ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going -- people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the Serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide -- a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people knowing about it -- that virgin maty alledgedy apears to some Croats were they cilled Serbs during the genocide.

I've also created a page called Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991; the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb placed there by Croats.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

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== [[Allegations of Chinese apartheid]] AfD ==

Following your recent participation in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of French apartheid]], you may be interested to know that a related article, [[Allegations of Chinese apartheid]], is currently being discussed on AfD. Comments can be left at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid]]. -- [[User:ChrisO|ChrisO]] 16:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Panama City ==
Hello, I've noticed that you have correctly moved the Panamá City, Panamá page to the correct name in English "Panama City, Panama". I agree with you, since it is necessary to be consistent with the English pronunciation of the name in the English Wikipedia. However, certain users have moved it back without any discussions. I've tried to move it again, but I can not. How did you manage to move the page?--[[User:Schonbrunn|Schonbrunn]] 00:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:The target page has a history, so it can't have other pages moved there without first preserving the page's history -- which requires administrator help. Since Duja's an administrator, he could do the move, however you'll have to find another to help you with any future move(s). You can check at [[WP:RM]], but I doubt that'll work, since there's obviously some sort of lack of consensus for the non-accented title, though I don't understand why, for the reasons you already mentioned. Look around some and see what you can do about consensus so it can be fixed. -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 01:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

==Ostrovica fortress?==
Seems I have good timing, welcome back! Have a good vacation?

I'm (finally) doing a bit more filling in of history gaps for Smederevo fortress, and there are at least a few mentions of simultaneous seiges at Smederevo and a fortress at Ostrovica (I presume [[Ostrovica, Serbia]]?) or [[Omol]]/[[Omolridon]]. The issue is, I can find nothing mentioning a fortress ever being there (aside from the sources I already have), and since it the first seems to be close to Niš, I'm wondering what the chances are the two locations could've been confused, though that seems unlikely in published works. Are the two places next to each other, and the fortress in Niš right over the border from Ostrovica, perhaps? Or were one of the other [[Ostrovica]]s part of Serbia around the 1450s, and likely places for fortresses/attacks? Where is Omol(ridon) in the first place, is it near Niš too? -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 03:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry, later; that handful of contribs was just a mini wikibreak-break. I'm still on holidays; actually, tomorrow I go to the [[Thasos|real vacation]] <tt>:-)</tt>; see you after September 3. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, and a brief research: the fortress in question (fell to Turks 1523) seems to be in today's Croatia: see [[hr:Lišane Ostrovičke]] and [http://www.visovac.hr/Hrvatski%20jezik/Samostansko%20okruzje/Zupe/Lisane.htm]. [[sr:Spisak tvrđava u Srbiji]] mentions another Ostrovica fortress, but it's little known and located on mountain of Rudnik near [[Gornji Milanovac]]. The [[Ostrovica (Niška Banja)]] (I just moved the page) doesn't seem to have anything with it. Can't find anything about Omolridon; Omol seems to be a cognate with modern Serbian [[Homolje]], a mountainous area east of Požarevac; or perhaps something to do with [[Omoljica]] near [[Pančevo]]? [http://www.pancevo.co.yu/HTM/istorija.html History of Pancevo] mentions a city named "Pančal" near today's Omoljica, mentioned in Matija Talovac's letter in 1430, and Bertrand de la Broquier's (spelling?) chronicles from 1433. Sorry if this gives more questions than answers :-D. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

::Hehe, I think you're going to have to go back in time and tell your countrymen and the various conquerors to stop changing place names (and to use different names for each place?) and to keep better track of where they're fighting, it'd make things so much easier! :-p In any case, thanks for the attempt, I guess I'll just leave it vague for now. Have fun down in Greece! :) (And beware the likely major drop in my language abilities when you get back -- I'll be doing my own "[[Institute for the International Education of Students|travelling]]" by then and completely confusing accented German for English for bits of French (and now maybe Serbian?)... Think the last three days is last minute enough to start packing?) -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 14:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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== Hahahihihoho ==

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I'm told this appears to be him (again). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert War ==

Hello Duja, welcome back. I'm currently involved in a revert war on [[Saborsko massacre]]. The Wikipedia rules have not been violated as such, it's been going on for a week or so. I did suggest involving non-Balkan admins, and I intend to - but do me a kind favour if you can; as you know better than both User:Kubura and I do, exactly how an article should be presented. If you get time, look at the changes made since I made a big edit some time back. My only purpose was to rid it of its POVs; political event articles are full of them. The biggest issue is regarding the ICTY: Kubura wants (it was a plan to destroy); and I want (the ICTY found/stated/reported that ''it was a plan to destroy''). Not much more really. If you keep good contact with a Craoatian admin, please come in together - it would help. I am prepared to negotiate; I am all eyes and ears for reading new information, and as God is my witness, I only wish to make positive and truthful contributions. Thanks. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 12:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

==List of Serbian films==
Hey know of any films to add to the [[List of Serbian films]]. I'm trying to add some films into the tables with details of the director etc. If you could help it this would be great [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| '''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦''''']] [[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| '''"Talk"?''' ]] 10:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:How about [[sr:Spisak srpskih filmova]]? It's not referenced, but looks reasonably comprehensive. Some IMDB searches and googling should fill the gaps. I can help with translations and searches of the films with common-word titles. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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== New Version Of Reply On [[Talk:Prypiat, Ukraine|Pripyat, Ukraine Talk Page]], Please See... ==

I have added more important information on the Russian alphabet, as well as the Cyrillic pronunciation to prove that it is correctly pronounced, "Preepyat'", or more commonly, "Pripyat", in English. Please see and report on my talk page. Thanks, G'Night, -- [[User:Stevenstone93|Steven Suttles Stone]] 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

==Notability?==
Hey Duja, welcome back! A quick question for you, before I head off myself. Is [[Bane Mojićević|this guy]] notable/verifiable enough? It seems like he should be, but certainly not in English. Are there any reliable Serbian sources for the claims made in the article? -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 12:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

:Barely. I already did stumble to that AfD in the regular process of wikistalking you :-), but didn't feel inclined to comment. I can't find anything substantial or reliable apart from the source already linked in the article; looks like just another wannabe singer, who is distinguished only by having won the "Zvezde Granda" competition and recorded an album therefore. However, he seems mostly forgotten since. I wouldn't lose much sleep if the article gets deleted. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hehe, ok :). Not that I would've (or even have the luxury!) to lose sleep over such minor things, but at least now I've covered all the bases, so can quite contendedly let things take their course. Guess that means it's packing time. I'm finally heading east to see what's over in your part of the world! Any must-try foods? That'll probably easier to deal with than must-see places, with the limited time I have. -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 14:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Which part of the world exactly? You mentioned a trip to Germany if I remember correctly... and I'm generally not too fond of German food, at least few things I tried. Heck, even in Minnesota we spent most of the time in Turkish, Chinese, Mexican and Bosnian restaurants. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 14:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, there was going to be a year of school in Germany, but it kind of turned into a semester in Austria and next semester in the Czech Republic. We have a post-orientation, pre-semester break now, though, so decided to head east with a friend. Seems I'm going to be checking out "Russian food" (whatever that includes) with my friend's friend in Moldova, then detouring through Romania (Bucharest) and Serbia (Belgrade) on the way back, if only for a couple days. Shame I don't have time to go check out these fortresses I wrote about. So... your specific part of the world. (Though, some nice spicy Mexican sounds really good right about now. There's that much variety in Minnesota? I really need to start checking out my own country some one of these days.) -[[User:Bbik|Bbik]][[User talk:Bbik|★]] 14:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== tweaking Mountain Infobox ==

Hi, Duja. Could I ask you to not tweak the mountain infobox until discussion has settled at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mountains]]? (Or, at least let the discussants know that you are tweaking the infobox in response to their comments, so that people aren't confused). Feel free to join the discussion. Thanks! [[User:Hike395|hike395]] 12:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Will do. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism and abuse of admin right ==

I'd like to warn you that you vandalized Sajmiste Concentration Cam several times by baselessly reverting my changes and moreover removing the explanation on the talkpage justifying the changes. Please, remove the semi-protection of this article and restrain from false accusations and apparent vandalism.--[[User:4.249.0.41|4.249.0.41]] 21:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

== [[Bitterside]] ==

Thanks for your contibution! [[User:JEPAAB|JEPAAB]] 11:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== US mobile phone companies move ==

Just a note to say thanks for taking care of this! --[[User:Squiggleslash|Squiggleslash]] 12:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hey, that's my job! No need to thanks, I earn huge buck$$$ for it :-). [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== [[Iron maiden]] ==

Despite your closing comment on [[Talk:Iron maiden (torture device)#Requested move|this requested move]], [[User:Reginmund|Reginmund]] has three times reverted this redirect so that it points to [[Iron maiden (torture device)]] rather than [[Iron Maiden]]. I'm looking for some clarification on this matter in hope that another [[WP:LAME|LAME]] edit war can be averted. Cheers! [[User:PC78|PC78]] 23:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

:D'oh. What a [[WP:LAME]]. I'll seek for assistance on [[WP:ANI]], and I asked for policy clarification at [[Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (precision)]]. In any way, edit warring is not a way to do it. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks Duja! And apologies for dragging you into something which really isn't your problem. I appreciate you looking into this. [[User:PC78|PC78]] 11:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

==Post-WWII Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe==
Dear Duja,

Could you please restore old version of article [[Post-WWII Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe]], at least in my user space, so I could work with it? This article was very different from current version of [[Soviet occupation]]. Right now it is inaccessible. Thank you.[[User:Biophys|Biophys]] 02:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would, but [[User:Richardshusr]] already moved it to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Post-WWII_Soviet_occupation_of_Eastern_Europe&action=history his] userspace, and the history is there. I've restored [[User:Richardshusr/Post-WWII Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe]] to the last valid version. As he doesn't own it, you can work on that copy along with him—it would certainly be nice let him know about it. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

:Per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABiophys&diff=159333176&oldid=158185866 this edit], I'm fine with Biophys either moving the article into his userspace or just editing it in mine. The only thing to avoid is making two copies and editing both of them thus creating a mess which has to be merged back together.
:--[[User:Richardshusr|Richard]] 07:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== TLA ==

Thanks - sorry I was overcautious and put it in the wrong category of move request! [[User:PamD|PamD]] 13:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Urban Learning Technology ==
Why did you delete the article I posted regarding ULT. I was building that with a friend and he was about to add all references and other information. Please tell me why you deleted it before we could even expand on it???

-Leshell
--[[User:Leshell3|Leshell]] 17:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Did you know ==

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}}{{#if:{{{6|}}}|, and '''''[[{{{6}}}]]'''''}}, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know? talk page]].
|}  --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]'' [[User talk:Allen3|talk]] 00:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

== Page move ==

Thanks for moving '''IBM zSeries''' to '''IBM System z'''. The talk page is still at its old location at [[Talk:IBM zSeries]] instead of [[Talk:IBM System z]]. Could you move it too? [[User:Foobaz|Foobaz]]·[[User talk:foobaz|o<]] 20:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing it out, missed it. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== HAR move ==
Re: Huot Automatic Rifle. Like the [[M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle]], I think it should be capitalized, and the existing article redirected to the new article placement. The weapon should be known by its proper name, like the BAR, I think that common practice capitalizes the name. In discussion, several firearm experts have found that Ross participated in the development of the Huot Automatic Rifle, AND some type of light machine gun, though not necessarily with Huot. There is a discussion at the[[Talk:Ross_rifle#Discussion_over_.27Developments.27_section|Ross rifle talk page]] regarding this. Now we have two titles that say the same thing, but concern different topics. [[User:Kalashnikov]] seems to be the best informed on this topic compared to any other editor or admin with whom I've discussed this. We can't have a "Huot LMG" page and a HAR page that describe two separate things as though they are related or the same thing. Again, I'd refer to Kalashnikov.[[User:TeamZissou|TeamZissou]] 19:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

==[[User:75.132.95.79]] aka [[User:A B Pepper]]==
Hi Duja, I see you've encountered [[User:75.132.95.79]]. As you probably saw from their talk page they were soapboxing and edit warring at [[Christian views about women]] and at [[Talk:Christian feminism]]. THis user has an account, the same soap-boxing and the same type of pov-push is continuing on [[Christian views about women]]. I made a post with detailed diffs to Seraphimblade [[User_talk:Seraphimblade#User:75.132.95.79.E2.80.8E_.2F_User:A_B_Pepper|here]] but he's not looked into it yet.

A B Pepper is the same user as Ip 75.132.95.79 and is carrying with similar behaviour on other articles. I have had to warn A B Pepper with a level 4 for soapboxing at [[Talk:Southern Baptist Convention]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_B_Pepper&diff=160316924&oldid=159972512]; should an [[WP:RFCU|checkuser]] be opened to establish that A_B_Pepper is sock-puppeting?--20:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

:His attacks are getting pretty severe[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Afaprof01&diff=prev&oldid=160492212] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:A_B_Pepper&diff=prev&oldid=160370752]. [[User:Sxeptomaniac|Sχeptomaniac]][[User talk:Sxeptomaniac|χαιρετε]] 17:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

:Hi Duja. This "macho man" (a self-description) appears to be mentally and emotionally unstable. After his latest curse or hex he says he put on me ([[User_talk:Afaprof01]] under "You are no Deborah," I think he has gone off the deep end. This is the most serious disruptive uncivil behavior I have ever seen on Wiki. His arrogance knows no bounds. Several have tried to reason with him, and he summarily rejects their efforts. He is so badly frustrating the efforts of good editors, and damaging many articles with his edits, that we may lose valuable contributors. I don't think any of us are willing to go on subjecting ourself to his kind of personal attack and craziness. We need Admin help, please! Thanks [[User:Afaprof01|Afaprof01]] 18:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

::Durova took care about it, apparently, and he declared departure. Sorry that I didn't react yesterday; frankly, I investigated a bit his contributions, but couldnt' make heads and tails of it. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== YAF ==

Check out [[Talk:Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland]]. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 22:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== Your opinion ==

Hello! I've noticed your productive involvement with ethnic groups and categorization before. If you have time, would you mind offering any suggestions you might have at [[Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board#Categories]], concerning possible changes to [[:Category:German people by state]]? [[User:Olessi|Olessi]] 13:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== [[Republika Srpska]] ==
Great work with the {{tl|Infobox Country}} fix!  — [[User:MapsMan|MapsMan]] [ [[User_talk:MapsMan|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/MapsMan|cont]] ] — 21:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Galileo CRS==
Thank you for keeping the article. I've added a history section. It's a start. Many may not know the significance and discussion during the 1980's that led to the creation of Amadeus, Worldspan, and Galileo. [[User:Archtransit|Archtransit]] 15:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

==[[House of Karageorgevich]]==

Please show that ''Karađorđević'' is the majority English usage before reverting edits in good faith that were checked before being done. This is English, not Serbian, Wikipedia. [[User talk:Charles|Charles]] 16:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

:How about that you show that Karageorgevich is, instead? Articles have talk pages, you know. [[Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss]] is right behind the corner, and I see that you're performing only the second step of it. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

==[[Dr. Miroljub Jevtic]]==

Hi,

For this article we would need categories. I am from the German and Serbian Wikipedia, so I can help only restricted. All the best -- [[:sr:Корисник:Carski|Carski]] 10:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

==Polish gminas and bot==
Hi,
Thanks for your comments on the Polish gminas issue; as you say, we'll have to agree to disagree. As far as the bot is concerned, of course I'll let you have the source code, though at the moment it still needs some debugging and a lot of tidying up (I hope to give it a trial run in the next few weeks). There is some source code at [[User:Kotbot]], but that covers only the very last stage of the process (putting the generated articles onto WP). The difficult bit is retrieving the information from the source WP (and checking its integrity as much as possible). In the Polish case, this is proving very time consuming, because the original Polish articles do not all follow the same format. However if all the information you want is in absolutely standard form (as Infobox fields, for example), then it should be quite easy to automatise. Oh, I see you're a programmer, so you'll be able to do this much more professionally than me;)--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] 09:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:I moved the gmina articles as requested, and left a notice at [[Talk:Gmina Abramów]]. Please also take a look at [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Gmina]], as I suppose it will be deprecated by the Geobox.

:As for the future use I requested, I have the basic information (name, population, municipality) in an Access database, and I can create text dumps as I want. Only if I could import some coordinate data from somewhere... [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 13:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the moves!! Luckily the coordinate data for many Polish towns and villages already exists in Polish WP, so I am able to import it from there. I'm discovering quite a lot of mistakes along the way, though, like villages with coordinates which would lie in totally different regions (correcting these is one of the things that makes the process so time-consuming). Trying to import the former German names is fun, too.--[[User:Kotniski|Kotniski]] 13:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

== [[TLA]] vs [[TLA (disambiguation)]] ==

I'm confused. You seem to have killed the history of [[TLA (disambiguation)]]. Why? [[User:Pdfpdf|Pdfpdf]] 15:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nope, when a page is moved the history goes with it as well. The hisory is at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TLA&action=history TLA] page. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

So does the TLA (disambiguation) history get merged into the TLA history, or does it replace the TLA history? If it replaces it: You seem to have killed the history of [[TLA]]. Why? [[User:Pdfpdf|Pdfpdf]] 09:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

:Aha. By default, it replaces the old history, but I can merge them as an administrator. I always take a look at history when I do the obstructed moves, and don't do the merging if everything that was there was only messing with redirects (merging tends to scramble browsing through edit histories). Now, on a closer look, there is an edit of yours which wasn't a redirect, but it looks identical to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TLA&direction=next&oldid=158922428 this one]. In sum, it's difficult to analyse what was a copy/paste and what was a "proper" contribution. I can restore it if you want, but why is it so important? The diff I provided above seems to be it. For your info, the deleted history is:
:* 14:20, 19 September 2007 . . Pdfpdf (Talk | contribs | block) (34 bytes) (←Redirected page to TLA (disambiguation))
:* 12:43, 19 September 2007 . . Pdfpdf (Talk | contribs | block) (1,177 bytes) (Make this the disambiguation page for TLA)
:* 11:46, 19 September 2007 . . PamD (Talk | contribs | block) (34 bytes) (part of rearrangement, temp move)
:* 19:36, 10 September 2007 . . Dark Shikari (Talk | contribs | block) (39 bytes) (fixing double redirect)
:* 02:26, 6 September 2007 . . Circeus (Talk | contribs | block) (34 bytes) (rv to original redirect)
:* 15:53, 3 September 2007 . . Wafulz (Talk | contribs | block) (36 bytes) (double redirect)
:* 17:00, 16 June 2007 . . Goldfritter (Talk | contribs | block) (39 bytes) (fixing double redir)
:* 03:37, 2 August 2006 . . Daniel Olsen (Talk | contribs | block) (Redirecting to Three-letter acronym)
:* 21:06, 23 June 2006 . . Adambiswanger1 (Talk | contribs | block) (TLA shouldn't be the primary page)
:* 12:14, 5 April 2006 . . Off! (Talk | contribs | block) (moved TLA to Three-letter acronym)
:[[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 09:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:Except for the next-to-last diff, everything else was changing of redirect. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 09:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

''but I can merge them as an administrator'' - Now that would have to be the first (and so far only) advantage I have seen of being an Administrator! And yes, that was a ''very'' poor attempt at humour. ;-) [[User:Pdfpdf|Pdfpdf]]

:Oh, no, you can also delete pages and block naugthy users, which provides a god-like feeling.
::Lol! Well, we all have to have ''some'' god-like feelings every now and then ...
:In turn, you can get harrassed by discontent cranks either online or in real life, if you're stupid to make your real-life identity available, like me :-) [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 13:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's the sort of thing that that causes me to want to avoid being an admin!!

''I can restore it if you want, but why is it so important?'' - I don't know that it is important! ("don't know" is the most significant part of that sentence.) It's just that I was very careful not to disturb edit histories, because I thought that doing so was "unacceptable behaviour". You came along and, with your administrator rights, stomped on them. I don't know if they were important; I assumed that people did what they did for reasons that were important to them, and didn't think it was my right to stomp on it. To be honest, I don't really care - I was just trying to be a "good and considerate citizen", and assumed that an administrator would be an "even better and even more considerate citizen". (P.S. I'm '''not''' asking you to restore it.) 
''For your info ... '' - Thanks. No, there doesn't seem to be anything important, significant (or even useful!) there, does there. (?)

So thanks for the info. To recap:
*My question was: "Why?".
*''I'' think your answer was: "Because it didn't remove any significant/useful information." (Did I get that right? If so: "OK, that makes sense.")
However, why do anything at all? Wasn't it OK as it was? Why actually do something, (rather than nothing), when it appears that it wasn't necessary to do anything? (Not an earth-shatteringly-important question, but I ''am'' a bit puzzled.) Regards, [[User:Pdfpdf|Pdfpdf]] 12:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

:Well, ''why'', albeit succinct, was a terribly broad question
::True
:—I should probably have asked "do you want a long or a short answer" :-). Since you again ask another "why", I'll try to be reasonably succinct:
:*Someone asked to move [[TLA (disambiguation)]] to [[TLA]] for stylistic reasons outlined in [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions]] (page [[Foo]] shouldn't redirect to [[Foo (disambiguation)]]) and I complied
:*However, a page A cannot be moved over page B if the latter has non-trivial edit history
:*Therefore, page B must be deleted before the move
:*Optionally, edit histories of A and B may be merged to preserve contributor list, as required by GFDL, which I didn't do in this case [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 13:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. (And yes, you were succinct.) Thanks, [[User:Pdfpdf|Pdfpdf]] 14:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Check out this guy [[Special:Contributions/212.214.205.154|212.214.205.154]]. [[User:Paulcicero|Paulcicero]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for the [[WP:RD/L|Language Ref Desk]] help... ==

...on my recent [[WP:RD/L#Russian for "Jew" vs. "Hebrew"|query]] there. The discussion on the WordReference forum is indeed interesting, if not definitive; I'm always heartened to see others pondering questions similar to my own. Having no knowledge of [[Russian language|Russian]] myself, I'm unable to glean anything from the [[Russian Wikipedia]] page on [[Zionism]] that might illuminate the whether the Russian word "Zion" is ever a descriptor for identified [[Jewish people|Jews]] (by ethnicity rather than [[Judaism|religion]]), or always refers to the Zionist agenda. Looks like I'll have to do some further thinking and post a re-worded query. ''--Thanks, [[User:Deborahjay|Deborahjay]] 12:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)''

== Serb clans ==

I understand what you tried to do and agree that it's a bit more NPOV that way - but it's also ''more incorrect''. While the previous name of the article relied (by the greatest part) on historical interpretation, the current one lacks basis for it. Any idea for a solution? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

:"Lacks the basis on historical interpretation"? Those are clans located in Montenegro, and the current title plainly says so. See the Google scholar results for [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=pleme+Montenegro&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=ws pleme Montenegro]. As has been repeatedly complained on the talk page, the title "Serb clans" creates a false impression that a) the clans are universal characteristic of Serbs (whereas they're obviously not) and that b) the clans have something to do with Serbdom, where in fact the focus should be on anthropologist research. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 10:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
::No. It also includes eastern Herzegovina, and a part of Serbia - as well as both historically and currently northern Albania and Metohija. "of Montenegro" would make it seem like it's typical for Montenegro - while the "Old Montenegrin clans" are in reality the ''only'' Montenegrin clans - the term expanded with the expansion of the Montenegrin state in the 19th century to include the neighbouring Serb tribes, but not including all, which is the cause of extinction or plain disappearance of many clans, e.g. in eastern Herzegovina. Most of these clands anyway do not come from Montenegro (proper), but e.g. Kosovo (Metohija included) or Herzegovina. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::What I see on the map in the article is almost entirely in Montenegro. AFAIK modern Montenegro encompasses what once was known as "eastern Herzegovina" or "[[old Herzegovina]]", and Drobnjaci, Piva and Grahovo are in modern Montenegro. Montenegro is referred to throughout the article. Why is that inadequate? [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Partially modern-day Republika Srpska too - and you forget that this article is a ''historical'' article, rotating around history. The clans today in Montenegro play quite a different part of the society - many e.g. are extinct while the article doesn't even include several. The problem is that the excerpt has been taken from the 19th century studies of Jovan Erdeljanovic, and copied Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic - who recorded "Serb clans not near extinction". It's all a lot fishy. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 20:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Especially the problem arises when the fact that most of the members of the clans (both historically and in the present sense) do not live in modern-day Montenegro. And in the historical interpretation, on which the whole article relies, corresponded to the previous name - with the case of [[Nikola Tesla]], it's hardly to be called a Clan in Montenegro - which most became only in the second half of the 19th century. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 19:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, and for end point - majority of the people tied to clans are/were Serbs or pro-Serbian. National Councils of all clans were relieved years ago in Montenegro. 78% of the clan parliaments supported a common state with Serbia, a "Council of National Assemblies" was formed that was a component part of Zoran Zizic's "Movement for European State Serbia and Montenegro". It also supported the [[Serb List]] in the subsequent [[Montenegrin parliamentary election, 2006|2006 parliamentary election]], with some of its prominent members joining the actual political alliance. Today it's disbanded. In general, clans still have a ''sort of'' important impact in Montenegro - but clan life is a characteristic of the pro-Serbs. On the "other side" it's even presented as such - an instance is the Vice-President of the Liberal Party who (I remember) spat on clans, repulsively referring to them as a "Serb thing". --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 21:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

== Burma-Myanmar ==

Dear friend, you made a real mistake when you switched Mynamar to Burma: you played into the hands of Anglo-American biggots who have no regard for neutrality or objectivity. "English Wikipedia means it must be British" - that attitude. No different to Chetniks and Ustashe being trusted to write articles about our very own ugly chapter a few years back. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] 19:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:An admin's job is to evaluate the community's consensus, not to supersede it with his own opinion. Frankly, I didn't see much of the "cultural imperialism" you allude to in that discussion; if anything, a good portion of resentment towards the name of Myanmar was due to perception that it was imposed by the military junta, rather than a rightful choice by the people of the country. The fact is that both names are in use in English-speaking countries, and that was what mattered in the case at hand. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Community consensus may not be necessarily correct. [[WP:CSB]] In the same manner, just because the western media is not too aware of the name changes in Asian countries, continue to refer to them. For instance there was a big debate over Kolkata-Calcutta. "Consensus" for retaining Calcutta was mostly from the western hemisphere while Kolkata was more rounded. [[user:Nichalp|=Nichalp]] [[User Talk:Nichalp|«Talk»=]] 17:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, community consensus may not be necessarily correct; however, at least in this case, correctness is in the eye of beholder. We're dealing with two equally valid names, an [[exonym and endonym]]. Yes, there's no particularly appealing reason to switch to the exonym; there's equally no particularly no appealing reason to override apparent majority and retain the endonym. Damned if you move, damned if you don't. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

== [[The Morning Post]] ==
Good job Moving the page. However, its Talk npage is still named "[[Talk:Morning Post]]." Cheers. --[[User:Ludvikus|Ludvikus]] 15:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

== Anybody who coulld help with WW2 history? ==

Duja, could you help (or recommend somebody who could help) with some decent knowledgeable approach to Yugoslavian WW2 history? We have this dreadful [[National Liberation War of Macedonia]], which has degenerated into a Macedonian-Bulgarian ethnic feud. I know virtually nothing about it, and I can't read most of the sources. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 18:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::Maybe I can help, I speak a little Macedonian and am pretty knowledgable in WW2 Yugoslav history, could you explain the issues? [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 19:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks. The article was created by a Macedonian user, (currently banned) [[User:Frightner]], apparently with a nationally motivated POV tending to present the activities of the Macedonian partisans as a liberation Movement aimed at a distinct Macedonian national ideal, particularly against Bulgarian domination. Then a bunch of Bulgarian users jumped on the article and pulled it in a direction exonorating the Bulgarian side and stressing how the Macedonian population really wanted to be Bulgarian and how evil the Serbs were in contrast. Well, I'm exaggerating a bit, but that's the POV background. The whole article is heavily POV and OR, based on cheap nationalist websites and similar junk. It's been in a state of continual edit-war for a few months and really should be rewritten from scratch, or maybe even better merged somewhere else. (But just that has been one of the hottest contentious issues.) [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 19:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

::Frankly, I know precious little about it; even in the basic school during the socialist era, all we were taught about WWII on the Macedonian territory was that they uprised against occupiers on Oct 11 1941, 4 months later than the others. And I made some results at "Tito's paths of revolution" contents back in 1st-4th grade :-)). [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::: Like I said, its an obscure part of an obscure part of history, and the whole thing is so, well, ''messed up'', I wish you could just erase the whole thing and start over... [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 08:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:An afterthought: a far better answer would have been "It's all ''Greek'' to me". :-)) [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 11:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

==French fried potatoes==
Hello, thank you for undoing this move. Can you please move the [[Talk:Fried potato pieces|talk page]] to match the article? Thanks and regards. --[[User:Muchness|Muchness]] 17:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Solar power/Solar energy ==

Your moving of [[solar power]] to solar energy just because it may seem reasonable to you, with no respect for the on going discussion is not appreciated. I request that you either move it back or help fix some of the 600 redirects that have been created by making the move. If you do not move it back, please click on the above link to solar power, click on the redirect page, click on what links here, and get started. Don't worry about user pages and talk pages. Here is a short cut to get there for you.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?offset=&limit=50&target=Solar_power&title=Special%3AWhatlinkshere&namespace=0] [[User:199.125.109.27|199.125.109.27]] 18:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:First, your tone is not appreciated. I didn't move the page "heavy-handedly" or just because I'm an admin, but because there was a requested move with consensus to move. Second, I assure you that I know the procedure very well; you may wish to read [[WP:REDIRECT#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken]]. Only a handful the double redirects should be fixed immediately, which I did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solar-power&diff=prev&oldid=164001182]; now I fixed the remaining three. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help. [[User:199.125.109.31|199.125.109.31]] 18:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== [[The Motherland Calls]] ==

I of course more or less proposed the change, but is this not a bit premature, too early in the discussion? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Motherland_Calls&diff=164699518&oldid=164610019] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Motherland_Calls&diff=164699444&oldid=164494852]? Mikkalai has not voted. Magnetic hill has not reacted to the Google evidence. Though I admire your [[WP:BOLD]]ness which may perhaps wake some people up. Вставай, Родина-мать зовёт!

By the way, if it stays this way, then on the basis of the google evidence, we need redirects from "The Motherland Is Calling" and from "Mother Russia Calls". I propose that they are not made yet, because editors supporting those may think it is a way of pre-empting a new move to one of those. --[[User:Paul Pieniezny|Pan Gerwazy]] 14:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

:What, Mikka is the ''Great Tzar of Russian part of English Wikipedia'' so nothing may pass without his approval? ;-). I was routinely cleaning the WP:RM backlog, due 5 days have passed, and I found your and Russavia's arguments in the discussion entirely persuasive. I also agree that "Mother Motherland" is a clumsy translation. One way or another, I don't think that the issue justifies eventual move warring. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 14:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Orasje (Varvarin)==
Thank you for your help. I'm going to search the proper links for Orasje (Varvarin), if they exist ! Kindly, --[[User:82.121.174.29|82.121.174.29]] 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC) ([[:fr:Utilisateur:Aristote2]])
:That's right ! I worked very hard ! But in fact, I can't feel responsible for bots I simply don't know ! I often check their adds, but it happens that I go on holyday !
:I just had a look on your list : bravo ! If you want more information, don't hesitate to get them on serbian wikipedia. They also worked very hard during the summer in Serbia. But be cautious, in case of "ambiguity" in the name of the villages, there are many mistakes in the links fallingrain and maplandia. However, the statistics are precious. These days, I work to integrate the new serbian datas and I verify all the external links...
:I'm very happy to meet you ! :) I feel less alone ! I hope that you understand my poor English (it's a pity) and I'm just a beginner at Serbian language ! Kindly. --[[User:82.121.174.29|82.121.174.29]] 16:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC) ([[:fr:Utilisateur:Aristote2]]) = Pascal

== Serb infoboxes reply from my talkpage ==

I have a bot that can switch all of those serb infoboxes to Infobox Settlement in about 10 minutes (athough it take me about an hour to program it). I did 15 test edits and everything looked good—see my contribs. I'll turn the bot on tomorrow morning (in about 10 hours or so from now)—[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 03:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:(Let's continue here, I prefer centralized discussion just like you). I'd strongly prefer getting the "subclassing" approach to work instead, for several reasons:
:*Easier maintenance. The {{tl|Infobox Serbia municipality}} has far less parameters than Infobox settlement
:*It has several carefully crafted features, which are difficult to simply achieve with Infobox Settlement, like:
:*#Custom left-column links to Serbian list of postal codes, list of area codes
:*#It takes advantage of standardization of map image names (Serbia XXX.png)
:*#It takes advantage of standardization of district article names (e.g. [[Mačva District]])
:*#It has optional parameters of ruling parties, mayor and few other ones.
:*#It automatically prepends http:// prefix to the website, without the link (all websites are entered without it)
:*#Editors felt important to distinguish between "village", "town" and "city" for the population title (the infobox is currently used only for municipal seats, which can be either); there's {{{type}}} argument, which defaults to "town" unless specified otherwise.
:*#I also planned to add a common reference to all towns (a Serbian census document)
:*#Time zone is always the same
:You missed a couple of those in the test run:
:*<nowiki>{{pagename}}</nowiki> is not OK: there are several dabbed towns, like [[Raška (town)]]. Should be {{{official_name}}} instead
:* Postal code and the link to the list missing
:* No {{{type}}} argument handled; (apparently) no {{{parties}}} argument handled
:I understand that Infobox Settlement can be customized to achieve that, most of that can be fixed in the bot's code. However, I feel that the approach I tried provides much simpler interface for the editors, less effort to maintain, while still providing standardized look... and it's in the spirit of OO design :-), as the Serbian infobox just inherits the look and feel of the Settlement one (I plan to apply similar approach to Bosnia and Herzegovina as well, where there's much more of a chaos currently). [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
::OK, I'll try to work on the "Wrapper" later today. —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 14:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::If you wish; however, I think I got it almost 99% working as desired, and I'll try to implement the changes tomorrow. Thanks for your help. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 15:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
::::I played with it a little bit. I think that if this is a customized wrapper for Infobox Settlement, we should try to incorporate the actual parameter names used by Infobox Settlement. For example, {{{population_total}}} instead of {{{pop}}}. I know that this is how the {{tl|Infobox Serbia municipality}} does it now, but if we include the dual names I can have my bot deprecate the old Infobox Serbia munici names after you make the change. I think having the same names, where possible, is best in the long run. There are some fields like {{{district}}} and {{{settlements}}} that should stay unique. Also, is there never an area for the town or the city, only for the municipality? —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 17:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I'm fine with the argument name changes and the rest of your proposal. What should be the sequence of events? Merge User:Duja/temp into Infobox Serbia municipality first, then run the bot to change them? As for the town area, I doubt that there are data, and I don't even know if the Statistics Office maintains it and if it's well-defined at all. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::That sounds like a good plan: Merge User:Duja/temp (with dual paramter names) first. Then I'll have my bot got through and switch those parameter names. Finally, you'll have to come up will some type of explanation table and some examples for people working on Serbian articles to follow. —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 12:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I merged the [[User:Duja/Temp]] into {{tl|Infobox Serbia municipality}} and updated the documentation at least partially (actually, it seems that I updated it too much, since not all "new" arguments are implemented). I'm sort of busy right now, so checking and tweaking is welcome. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 13:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I made a few more tweaks, fixed a typo and turned the bot loose. It looks like the postal_code/postal field is not filled-in on many pages resulting in {{{postal}}}. I'm not sure if making postal_code not optional was planned or not, so I left it up to you to make optional or not. —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 16:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Detroiterbot is done. All is well. —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 16:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks! Apparently, postal was conceived as optional, but since there are data available, I'll put up the slieves and fill them in. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::Let me know when you do the Bosnia and Herzegovina infobox. —[[User:MJCdetroit|MJCdetroit]] 15:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Novi Sad ==

Dear Duja! I really dont understand you about deleting my comments at Novi Sad page steadily. I think hungarian reference must be accepted - as those references, only links to books written by Serb historians can be accepted too. Requirements could be changed consequent. Regards: Nemlehetigaz —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nemlehetigaz|Nemlehetigaz]] ([[User talk:Nemlehetigaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nemlehetigaz|contribs]]) 13:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC) 

== OK!!!!!! ==

OK.... :) --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 10:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry for YELLING, but I was hunting the article's history all over the Wikipedia... [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 10:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Novi Sad II. ==

Dear Duja! Thx for your answer and your explanation, now I understand everything. Besides, thanks for the interesting document too :) Regards —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nemlehetigaz|Nemlehetigaz]] ([[User talk:Nemlehetigaz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nemlehetigaz|contribs]]) 14:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC) 

== [[Tamburica]] ==

I know it was long time ago, but would you please try to remember what happened [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamburica&direction=next&oldid=100527731 here]? I'm half-watching this article and I don't recall anything resembling copyvio, and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamburica&oldid=9456979 history] displays quite a normal development cycle. I can't google anything resembling an original page, nor there's a trace of evidence in Wikipedia namespace. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:I can't remember what I was thinking. Now it seems obvious that the information was original to Wikipedia, and stolen ''from'' here, rather than the other way around. I guess I saw some website which plagarized us and jumped the gun. The old material should stay reintroduced in my opinion. Thanks for catching my egregious error! -- [[User:Rmrfstar|Rmrfstar]] 13:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Requested move not completed correctly ==

Hi, regarding a [[Talk:Minister_of_National_Education_and_Religious_Affairs_%28Greece%29#Requested_move|request]] to move [[Ministry of National Education and Religious Affairs (Greece)]] to [[Minister for National Education and Religious Affairs (Greece)]], you didn't actually complete the move correctly. While you changed Ministry to Minister, you neglected to change ''of'' to ''for''. Would it be possible to correct this? Best, --[[User:Damac|Damac]] 10:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:Done, thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Srpska sela ==

Da, unos na sr: je odavno završen. Što se tiče ažuriranja/unošenja članaka na engleskoj Vikipediji, za to nisam nešto posebno zainteresovan, a pravo da ti kažem, nemam ni vremena (fakultet opet krenuo, ima da se radi...). Mogu jedino da ti dam izvorni kod bota (pisan u Python-u), kao i podatke iz kojih sam uzimao podatke (sve ukupno oko nekoliko MB), a ti onda možeš da vršiš potrebne ispravke i dopune koda. --'''[[User:Dungodung|Filip]]''' ('''''[[User_talk:Dungodung|§]]''''') 11:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Obilaznica ==

Vidim da si zapoceo clanak o obilaznici oko Beograda. Mala sugestija: kako je ona deo projektovanog spoljnog magistralnog prstena oko grada, engleski termin [[beltway]] vise odgovara nego bypass. Pozdrav [[User:PajaBG|PajaBG]] 18:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:Aha, hvala, nisam znao za termin. Ipak bih zadržao "bypass" kao ime članka, prosto zato jer [[google:"Belgrade bypass"]] ima 40 puta više pogodaka nego [[google:"Belgrade beltway"]]. Napraviću redirekte i linkovati "beltway" u članku; možda bi trebalo spojiti [[Beltway]] i [[Bypass (road)]]. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 06:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::OK. Mada bajpas deluje nekako bolnicki :o) Ubacicu link u clanke gde se spominje obilaznica. Sto se tice spajanja ova dva clanka, ne bih se mesao u to. To je ipak pitanje za nekog kome je engleski maternji (ono sto jedna rec znaci u americi, ne mora da znaci isto u engleskoj ili australiji). [[User:PajaBG|PajaBG]] 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Re ==

LoLLL!! Šta se mene tiče moga je napisati da je lično Darth Vader, takvi fanatici mene nimalo ne živciraju. Tražia je da mu dam ruku, i pomoga sam mu. 
Lik misli da je Al-Qaeda operativac? pa dobro, nema smisla proturiječiti. ;D (njega će uostalom Ameri na Wiki gledat kao da im je diga u zrak New York)
[[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 07:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:LoL ne zajebaji! Nisam tako mislia, bit je u tome da takvi ''radikalni'' radikali na Wiki nisu velika opasnost, oni će napisat neke gluposti, bit će blockani i tu će završit priča. Opasniji su tzv. "umjereni" nacionalisti koji će distortirat podatke na pametan i promišljen način i koje je ''mnogo'' teže zaustavit. Oni će uništit objektivnost Wikipedije na trajan način, pogotovo kad govorimo o relativno "opskurnim" područjima kao šta je bivša Juga. [[User:DIREKTOR|DIREKTOR]] ([[User talk:DIREKTOR|TALK]]) 09:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

== Montenegrins ==

22.76% of all Catholics and 10.64% of all Muslims are nationally declared Montenegrins. Is that a small minority? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:Note also: this is from the shortened census, for the full census including the diaspora I have no data - but I know that an abundance of them declared Montenegrins, and that this percentage of Moslem Montenegrins is a bit underestimated. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
::Return it then -- and source it please. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 11:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:::OK - btw most Catholics are Albanians and most Muslims are Bosniacs, rather. Cheers, --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 11:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

== Rouge admin ==
You're nominated, should you choose to accept the mission.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=167023791] [[User:Durova|Durova]]''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]'' 17:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:I [[:Category:Rouge admins|already have]], thanks; I unhumbly promoted myself after [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Serbophobia this]. However, since I'm in a ''terrible conflict of interest'', would you be so kind to hand a subtle cluebat to {{user:Bibliophilus}} (and revert his nationalist crap)? [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 20:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

== Izgovor ==

Malo si me zbunio sa primerima izgovora. Ali, prezime se cita bas kao i Lipovac, Gotovac, Rakonjac itd. Dakle bez ikakvog otezanja tipa Lipoovac, Gotoovac ili Lipoovac i sl. Nadam se da si na to mislio. Prezime Pokrajac se izvorno tako izgovora, ali u Srbiji se nekim cudom to izgovara kao Pokraajac. --[[User:Pokrajac|Pockey]] 19:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

== Guipuscoa ==

Hello Duja. You might not have noticed, but when you moved [[Guipuscoa|this article]], [[Talk:Guipuscoa|its talk page]] was left behind (as a [[Talk:Guipúzcoa]] page already existed). I suggest merging the talk pages. Best regards, [[User:Husond|Hús]][[User:Husond/Esperanza|ö]][[User talk:Husond|nd]] 15:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:Done, thanks. It happens every while, if I forget to check it explicitly -- the software warning is less than prominent. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== A "late" response to the closing of the [[Talk:Yangon|RM]] at [[Yangon]]. ==

Having forgotten my RM of yangon to Rangoon, I found that you closed it saying that there is no consensus. However, it appears that there is one more supporting vote than opposing vote (seven v. eight). Your closing comments have also been responded to by Espoo. Apparently Rangoon is still more common in newer texts. Is there still a possibility iof the article being moved? [[User:Reginmund|Reginmund]] 00:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:You're certainly free to re-run the RM; I did note in the closing comment that "Rangoon" is slightly favored both by sources and editors, but likely not enough to be closed in favor of '''move'''. Consensus can change though. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Bosnian Latin or Cyrillic ==

In Bosnia and Herzegovina Cyrillic was in effect the '''''sole''''' script for 700 years until the Austro-Hungarian annexation in 1908. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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|cat=[[Category:Accuracy disputes]]}} [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

True, it was more used in Yugoslavia than Latin - but both scripts, especially in the second YU, were attempted to be equalized. And why is it hardly relevant today? Teachers of Bosnian language still teach Cyrillic next to Latin, and though Latin is in wide usage - that doesn't change the fact that Bosnian is bi-script, just like Serbian (and unlike Croatian). --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 17:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:It is hardly relevant today because you'll have to try real hard to find ''any'' publication claiming it's in Bosnian language and printed in Cyrillic. They're sure ''entitled'' to claim Cyrillic as an official script -- that doesn't change the fact that Bosnian is [[de facto]] single-script, just like Croatian (and unlike Serbian). [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== Montenegrin ==

Er..why remove that it's official from the intro? --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 23:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:Pax, please see [[WP:BOLD]] and {{tl|sofixit}}; you don't need my or anyone's approval for something unless we come into disagreement; I don't own those articles. My edit summary was "Avoid duplicate definitions in the lead", and if you read the entire intro, the notion of "official language" was -- and still is -- right there in its last sentence. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 07:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== No World for Tomorrow ==

Hey, I noticed you recently moved all [[Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume Two: No World for Tomorrow]] articles to simply [[No World for Tomorrow]]. I was wondering why you did this exactly? You said moving per the RM, so I assume that someone requested for it to be moved, but after a brief search, I couldn't find who. I would ask that the move is reverted (I know it may seem a pain to you to do another RM, and I apologize) as the full title is indeed ''Good Apollo...'' as stated by [[Claudio Sanchez]] (lead singer of the band) in a sourced interview shortly before it was released, and is in fact written inside the album cover. Thank you for your cooperation on this. ≈ [[User: The Haunted Angel|The Haunted Angel]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/The Haunted Angel 2|Review Me!]] 10:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:It was listed on [[WP:RM]] for a while (by [[User:MikeCerm]]), but when I checked the talk page, there wasn't a debate indeed; actually, it was removed by [[User:Harukaze]], but not unlisted from the RM [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGood_Apollo%2C_I%27m_Burning_Star_IV%2C_Volume_Two%3A_No_World_for_Tomorrow&diff=166721409&oldid=166721090]. Having checked the band's official page, it's listed as "No World for Tomorrow", as well as on the album cover, and pretty much everywhere on the internet. I would argue for the shorter title on the basis of [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and ''sancta simplicitas'', and on the basis that "Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume Two:" could be treated as a subtitle. Generally, we don't do "official names" (hint: take a look at my closure at [[Talk:FC Dynamo Kiev]], and subsequent complaining I expect on my talk page). In any case, I won't be terribly shaken by the revert of my move. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 10:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

::You do raise a good point with the sub-title (frankly, I find it odd that the band didn't title it on the cover "Good Apollo..." as they did with the first part). However, I maintain that the full title should be used, as it is with [[From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness]], and as the full title is presented within the booklet. Since this was a requested move in the first place, am I correct in understanding that only a moderator could revert the move? (I'm sorry if this may seem like I'm ignoring your presented arguments, I just believe it'd be better as the full title). ≈ [[User: The Haunted Angel|The Haunted Angel]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/The Haunted Angel 2|Review Me!]] 12:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Nah, see [[WP:BURO]]. Just for practical reasons, I'll revert myself; I have a script for fixing double redirects. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 12:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok, thank you for you assistance here and apologies for any inconvenience caused. ≈ [[User: The Haunted Angel|The Haunted Angel]] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/The Haunted Angel 2|Review Me!]] 12:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

== Dynamo Kiev or Dinamo Kiev? ==

I am still not sure which one is accepted, although Kiev is confirmed. I always hear Dinamo Kiev at Hong Kong, but the club is always refer to Dynamo Kiev. [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] [[User_Talk:KyleRGiggs|Giggs]] 17:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== [[Estonian pirates]] ==

Hello Duja. I was going to close the move discussion at [[Talk:Estonian pirates]], but found myself deeply divided on whether to close as a ''no consensus'' or as a ''move'', since the arguments and sources provided by the move side seem to be sound. You're an experienced "move-closer" as well so I decided to ask you and another admin a second opinion. So, if you can spare the time, could you please have a look and tell me how do you think you would you close this one? Thank you. [[User:Husond|Hús]][[User:Husond/Esperanza|ö]][[User talk:Husond|nd]] 04:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:D'oh... it was a pain to read... how many angels can fit on a needle top? I would probably close it as a "no consensus", as the advocates didn't mention [http://books.google.com/books?ei=PBcoR9y6FI7wpwKMhJH2DA&q=%22Estonian+pirates%22&btnG=Search+Books this]. However, they seem to reached a compromise now, at [[Talk:Estonian pirates#Estonian Viking Expeditions]], so there we get a leeway. [[User:Duja|Duja]][[User talk:Duja|►]] 08:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== IF YOU COULD HELP ME IN ANY WAY ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going -- people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the Serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide -- a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people knowing about it -- that virgin maty alledgedy apears to some Croats were they cilled Serbs during the genocide.

I've also created a page called Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991; the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb placed there by Croats.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

User talk:NeroN BG

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== Kosovo ==

Hello. This may be out of your scope of interest, in which case apologies. We've tried to invite various contributors with an interest in Serbia. There's a discussion and vote going on at [[Talk:Kosovo#Kosovo:_terminology]] as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. There's also a discussion going on [[Talk:List of countries]] as to whether or not [[Kosovo]] should be included in that list. Cheers. [[User:DSuser|DSuser]] 16:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Montenegrin, dialect of Serbian ==

Neron, that's not correct - they didn't define it as such. It is widely considered (and factually still is) a dialect of the Serbian language, but it's not defined as such when it was proclaimed in the new Constitution. --[[User:PaxEquilibrium|PaxEquilibrium]] 12:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== IF YOU COULD HELP ME IN ANY WAY ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going -- people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the Serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide -- a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people knowing about it -- that virgin maty alledgedy apears to some Croats were they cilled Serbs during the genocide.

I've also created a page called Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991; the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb placed there by Croats.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

User talk:StAnselm

2007-11-05T15:03:17Z

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Again, welcome! [[User:Blarneytherinosaur|Blarneytherinosaur]] [[User_talk:Blarneytherinosaur|talk]] 05:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sinaiticism ==

Level-headedness on the internet? On Wikipedia!? On AfD, at that?! Sir, I'll have you know that [[April Fool's Day]] was several days ago! I urge you to snap out of it and become a hot-headed troll like the rest of us - it's miscreants like you that convince members of the old guard that some good remains in the human race, and next thing you know they're lettin' their ol' guard down, and next thing ''they'' know, they find themselves [[Pwn|pwned]] by a [[Newbie|noobey]]. :-D (But, seriously now, thank you for participating - AfD can use more folk like yourself) --[[User:Action Jackson IV|Action Jackson IV]] 10:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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==Dealing with vandalism==

Hi StAnselm,

I see that you reverted some vandalism at [[Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church]]. You might want to check out [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]] for more info about dealing with vandals. I find the [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|warning templates]] particularly useful. [[User:Blarneytherinosaur|Blarneytherinosaur]] [[User_talk:Blarneytherinosaur|talk]] 03:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Mark ==
I don't know why is wrong with them either, and that's because no one has bothered to say. All that has been said is that I am forcing an as yet unidentified pov into the article, which just seems like an immature way to "argue" against the edits without being useful or helpful. That's for being a nice source of rationality in the process. I restored the edits just before you made the initiative in talk, mostly so people would get talking about it (I mean the actualy points, you see). [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 07:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Denomination editing ==

I notice that you've got some denominations down on your list of pages to expand. I thought you might find the following useful: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Calvinism#Denomination articles]] -- especially the template which has some useful headings for that sort of thing. Also, while I'm noticing things, I also notice that you're more active on Calvinism-related pages than many of the people in [[WIkipedia:WikiProject Calvinism|WikiProject Calvinism]] are. Thanks! :) In fact, when I look, I think the PCA (Australia) might be one of the biggest contributors :).

-- [[User:TimNelson|TimNelson]] 13:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

==Category renaming vote==
Please see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_4#Changing_nomination]]. --[[User:Flex|Flex]] ([[User_talk:Flex|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Flex|contribs]]) 00:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[Geoffrey Blackburn]] ==

Hi, your article says a fair bit about Geoffrey but it doesn't really assert notability - all the links do document facts, but none of them point back to material written ''about Blackburn'' - they are about the various organisations he is/was a part of.

Has anyone written ''about'' him? If not, I really think he may not be sufficiently [[WP:NOTABILITY|notable]] for inclusion.[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 05:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[Geoffrey Blackburn]]==
I have added a "{{[[Template:prod|prod]]}}" template to the article [[Geoffrey Blackburn]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]" and [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Wikipedia's deletion policy]]). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the <code><nowiki>{{dated prod}}</nowiki></code> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on [[Talk:Geoffrey Blackburn|its talk page]]. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion process]], the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion criteria]] or it can be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for Deletion]], where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. [[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

(this follows over a week with no reply on this matter)[[User:GarrieIrons|Ga]][[User_talk:GarrieIrons|rr]][[Special:Contributions/GarrieIrons|ie]] 00:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

==[[WP:GAC]]==
I'm an occasional contributor to the Good Article Candidates page, and I got a heckuva laugh out of seeing StAnselm fail [[Thomas Becket]]...cheers [[User:Chubbles1212|Chubbles]] 03:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:Ah ha! rofl My, that's good. [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] 13:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==[[Geoffrey Blackburn]]==
Put me down as someone who knows Dr Geoffrey Blackburn personally and am surprised - even from the material St Anselm has included in the article about him - that anyone would doubt his notability. As St Anselm wrote, he's one of the half dozen best-known people in his denomination. And is known, I think, worldwide because ot his status in the Baptist World Alliance (if I recall I read somewhere he was a world vice-president). There's a joke around Presbyterian and Baptist circles among clergy that they want 'Geoff' as they call him affectionately to conduct their funerals (he's 90-something and still in active ministry with Scots' Church, Melbourne!). I'll revisit the article and see if I can do a little bit of extra work on it. [[User:Ron Cameron|Ron Cameron]] 04:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Poythress==
I saw that you wanted to create an article on [[Vern Poythress]]. I have done so, and if you have time, I'd appreciate you helping to help fill it out (e.g., a section on his thought, links to the listed books and articles from frame-poythress.org, a free picture, etc.). In particular, I'd like to get an interesting fact or two in there that would make it a good candidate for [[WP:DYK]], but we'll have to move fast to make it in the 5 day time limit! --[[User:Flex|Flex]] ([[User_talk:Flex|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Flex|contribs]]) 17:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

==Unfulfilled predictions==
Hi Anselm, I would really appreciate it if you read some of my comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unfulfilled historical predictions by Christians]] regarding the potential future of the article, including the criteria I have set up. --[[User:One Salient Oversight|One Salient Oversight]] 11:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Vern Poythress ==

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== Unfulfilled predictions ==

The first thing I've done is removed every uncited prediction. I'll look at the individual merits of those remaining next. [[User:EliminatorJR|EliminatorJR]] [[User talk:EliminatorJR|Talk]] 12:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
==Shalom!==
Hi, my supervisor is a graduate of Westminster -- John Davies. He's the principal of the [[Presbyterian Theological Centre]] here in Sydney.

Feel free to build up that page. My project is to make a good list of theological journals, including internal links and web-links. To place links on all references to those journals, and to create stubs for journals cited in existing articles.

What is your area of Old Testament study? What area in mathematics? :) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] 08:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:PS, I linked to your Vern Poythress article a week ago. ;) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] 08:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::Wow! Sister colleges then. I had the great good fortune of having Greg Goswell as a lecturer for one semester. He's one super-smart, super-knowledgeable cookie. :D [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] 13:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Quick work mate! Like that template. Avagoodweekend. :) [[User:Alastair Haines|Alastair Haines]] 17:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Calvin and his view==
Please see [[Talk:John_Calvin#RfC]]. --[[User:Flex|Flex]] ([[User_talk:Flex|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Flex|contribs]]) 18:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you please see about the page on Reprobation? i dont believe that Wesley's views on reprobation are appropriate there. It would be rather like putting why cristians reject Islam's opinion on the the Christ's divinity on the Islam page.[[User:Die4Dixie|Die4Dixie]] 09:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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==Merge from Five points pf Calvinism==
Please lend your latest comments to [[Talk:Calvinism#RfC:_Merge_from_Five_points_of_Calvinism]]. We've requested outside comment. --[[User:Flex|Flex]] ([[User_talk:Flex|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Flex|contribs]]) 16:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

==[[Engagement ring]]==
What would you like balanced?? [[User:Bridesmill|Bridesmill]] 02:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== IF YOU COLD HELP ME IN ANY WAY ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going - people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide - a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people nowing about it -- that virgin maty apears to some vroats near were they cilled serbs during a genocide.

I've also created a page valled Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991, the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

User talk:Rich Farmbrough

2007-11-05T15:01:36Z

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to bob burn drummer, come back to lafayette,la see you c.k. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.80.110.195|199.80.110.195]] ([[User talk:199.80.110.195|talk]]) 23:45, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
:please archive. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 12:32 [[30 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

==[[Ezhava]] article==
The article is currently protected and found that you have been making some changes. I would
like you to look into this diff[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ezhava&diff=165637701&oldid=165622138] which has happened by the edit of [[User:Vivin]](That version got protected). If you go in detail you can find that most of ''good face'' of the article has lost(eg descriptions About famous warriors or sections like Arattupuzha Velayudha Panicker, Warriors Of Northern Ballads, Kuroolli Chekon etc ) and tactically keeping the ''bad face'' like Trading, Toddy Tapping, Brewing Arrack sections. The main article editors are not against keeping this bad face but should also keep good face of the community. thatnks in advance. cheers[[User:Tulu war|Tulu war]]

:Can't really get into this one,not enough subject knowledge. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:23 [[4 November]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== Bot mimicking user edits? ==
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Recently a "new" user placed tags on a difficult technical audio related subject ([[Audio mastering]]) asking for references, citations, violation of NPV etc, etc. Another editor came in, deleted them and dismissed it as unnecessary. Then, your bot shows up today mimicking the same tagging user actions and tags all over again the article {[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Audio_mastering&diff=prev&oldid=167247160 see diff at Audio mastering]). My problem is that if your bot engages in reverting deleted tags by other users, then, its usefulness is outweighed by the damage is creating at WP. Was this just a mere coincidence? [[User:Jrod2|Jrod2]] 18:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:If you look at the edit again, yyou'll see that is not what was happening. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 17:03 [[28 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).
::So, are you saying that it was a coincidence this bot shows up to tag this article, even though it never did it before? OK, explain this clear example where the same user comes to another article to place another cleanup tag, a disagreeing editor deletes it and your bot comes back to restore the tag. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mastering_engineer&diff=prev&oldid=167489088] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mastering_engineer&diff=next&oldid=167489088]. IMHO, your bot is out of order by restoring deleted tags and it needs to be fixed or shut down immediately.[[User:Jrod2|Jrod2]] 19:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Please look carefully at the three diffs you cite. One is by Quiest, the other two do not introduce (or reintroduce) tags, merely date them. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 20:14 [[28 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).
::::OK, It comes to place a date. It seems to me that is coming when somebody adds a tag, correct? [[User:Jrod2|Jrod2]] 20:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, that's exactly right. Generally within a couple of days. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:54 [[30 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== SmackBot sorting ==

Please don't have your bot add defaultsort on presumed surnames in cases like this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bj%C3%B6rn_%C3%9E%C3%B3r%C3%B0arson&diff=152994678&oldid=141870288] The article had intentionally been sorted by first name in a category and a user had even left a comment explaining this. A bot should not override that. Also, what's with the year delinking? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 23:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

:Also, could you please have the bot leave more precise edit summaries? It says "Date/fix the maintenance tags or gen fixes" a lot. When all it's doing is dating maintenance tags I know the edit is completely trivial and I don't need to check it. But if there are actually some "gen fixes" that's something I might want to take a look at. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 23:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

:Lets not archive this yet, bots. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 18:18 [[3 November]] [[2007]] (GMT).

==SmackBOT==
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:Thanks! ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 10:06 [[30 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== Removing spaces from unrelated templates ==

Hi Rich, I appreciate SmackBot a lot, but unfortunately it has been removing whitespace from my beautifully lined-up templates; that is, templates unrelated to what the bot fixes up. For example [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Desmond_Ford&curid=2173606&diff=166538198&oldid=166518599]. Please reply on my talk page if at all. Cheers, [[User:Colin MacLaurin|Colin MacLaurin]] 18:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for telling me. I can fix this. Incidentally SB aligned all the Infobox Album templates a while back, I was thinking about making a generic solution for this - non-trivial though. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 09:53 [[30 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== What's triggering this ==

Hey there, hi there, ho and yo!
Long time no see! <g> What's triggering this kind of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1632_characters&diff=168286554&oldid=168261912 removal] by Smackbot? A section maintenance tag which goes missing is no longer either drawing the eye, nor adding to the to-do list of the category. (It's probably nicked me on a couple of other pages "underconstruction", hence avoiding it's mindless repetition is of great interest! <g>) Is there a "Smackbot ignore this page" template I can add? Be well! // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]][[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]] 14:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
* Found your mention of {{tl|nobots}}, but with my spelling, would be nice to allow some of the other bots do their thing. Need a {nosmackme I don't like pain} tag!<BSEG> Let me know if you do one up! // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]][[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]] 14:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Bots read this] and you will know what to do... I will need to ensure SB obeys the tag, AWB supports it but I'm not sure quite how smart it is. The reason for removal is unknown, I would guess it is interpreted as a stub tag, but I have AWB's "General Fixes" turned off at the moment, so it should leave those alone. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 14:36 [[31 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

::*OK - { {bots|deny=<botlist>} } it is! (Now you can go on about being banned in Boston at cocktail parties!) ''It used to be a distinction of sorts!''—though in this case...? <Happy Halloween> and thanks! // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]][[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]] 14:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1632_characters&diff=168351125&oldid=168305011 LOL], thanks! But your airline seems to have misobserved the {{tl|inuse}} tag... (no harm, no foul, though—you've got me chuckling still!) and I need all the help I can get with formal formatting and spellings! So tanks, tahnks, thnaks, errrr, you no! // [[User:Fabartus|Fra]][[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]] 21:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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== Casanova's Homecoming ==

[[Casanova's Homecoming]] was tagged as unreferenced, evidently by the bot. In the case of works of fiction, a publisher is usually sufficient; this article already had a discography. best, [[User:Sparafucil|Sparafucil]] 08:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:No, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casanova%27s_Homecoming&diff=131611661&oldid=115837451 Brownhaired Girl] tagged the article. And if it seems excessive, have a look a the talk page, one of the two unsourced dates in the article was wrong. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 08:54 [[1 November]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== SNePS and intensiona ==

[[SNePS]] uses intensional[ity] correctly, it would appear. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:23 [[31 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).
:See also "Harry McNish" a quote is changed apparently. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 15:25 [[31 October]] [[2007]] (GMT).

: Oops. Thanks for that. I'm going to remove intensional(ity) from my bot for now. It looks like it's a bit too problematic. Cheers, [[User:CmdrObot|CmdrObot]] 21:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== <nowiki>Changing <references/> to {{reflist}}</nowiki> ==
SmackBot often does good work and I've many times had cause to thank it. However...

The [[Template:Reflist|documentation]] for Template:Reflist states "there is no consensus that small font size should always be used for all references", while [[Wikipedia:Citation templates]] states "Because they are optional, editors should not change articles from one [citation] style to another without consensus". This issue of font size particularly affects people with visual impairments who may well be able to see the regular wiki font size but struggle with smaller sizes. We're talking disability discrimination and all that. Unless you can show good cause, please stop performing this unnecessary edit. [[User:Arbus Driver|-Arb.]] 22:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes I've just noticed this myself. I am a proponent of using the standard font size for references. So one again I have ot turn of "general fixes". ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 22:19 [[4 November]] [[2007]] (GMT).

== aboy one article that ypu could help me with ==

Hi! First I would really thank wikipedia and, foremost, the people that make it going - people like you. I come from a village in Herzegovina, and throughout this century it has vittnesed many atrosities. So I desided to make a page about it, on wikipedia. Among the thing that I wrote is the genocide aginst the serbs in 1941, in Prebilovci. And on the title I used genocide - a user named rijeka, from croatia, has just removed that bit.

600 women and children from my village, were in 1941 slaughtered and thrown into pits near surmanci, the place were virgin mary is said to have apeared. I wrote abut this -- and rijeca removed that bit. Maby he just doesn't want people nowing about it -- that virgin maty apears to some vroats near were they cilled serbs during a genocide.

I've also created a page valled Prebilovci Massacre, and because of that, he claims, has removed a great bit of my article on Prebilovci. Among that article, he has removed of what happended in 1991, the bodies of thoose who were massacred in 1941 were blown up by a bomb.

I just think this is unfair. I see it this way: that's he's missusing his power on wikipedia. Chek it put yourself, then contact me and say what do you think.

Yours Very Thruly.

Prebilovci

2007-11-04T16:00:18Z

WebsterMasters:

[[Image:Capljina Municipality Location.png|thumb|200px|Location of [[Čapljina]] in [[BiH]] [[Coordinates]]: 43° 5' 40" North, 17° 45' 12" East]]
'''Prebilovci''' ([[Serbian]] [[Cyrillic]]: '''Пребиловци'''), a [[village]] in [[Herzegovina]], near the city of [[Čapljina]] (Чапљина). Was first mentioned in the [[15th century]]. Has a population of roughly around 50 inhabitants.

Prebilovci is located in the Čapljina [[municipality]], which makes up one of the nine [[municipalities]] in the [[Herzegovina-Neretva Canton]]. The village is also located near the [[National park|Nature Park]] and [[Bird Reserve]] of [[Hutovo Blato]] (5km from Čapljina). Since [[1995]], Hutovo Blato has been protected as a Nature Park by the Public Enterprise Hutovo Blato.

== History ==
The name of the village, Prebilovci, first emerged sometime around the 15th century, and is believed to have come from the old family of Pribilovic. In the Serb Orthodox cemetery not far from the village, there is also an old grave which is believed to have belonged to a certain Stjepan Pribilovic. Today the name Pribilovci is also more frequenty used for the village.

Before the outbreak of the [[Invasion of Yugoslavia|Second World War In Yugoslavia]], the village was made up of [[Serbs]] and a few [[muslims|Muslim]] families as well, who had converted to [[Islam]] two or three centuries earlier, and life changed for the best under the Turkish occupants. The present population is primary made up of Serbs, ever since the war drew to a close, when the Muslims left their homes or were expelled because of the ethnic tensions. The people acted in revenges for atrocities commited against their women and children. Few villages in Herzegovina have vitnessed these kinds of horrors during the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|world war two persecution and genocide of Serbs]].

=== WWII and genocide ===
[[Image:CapljinaArial.jpg|right|thumb|250px|An arial view of [[Čapljina]] and the river [[Neretva]] ]]
During the [[World War II|Second World War]] the inhabitants of Prebilovci fell victim to the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|Ustaša's genocide]]. On the 6th of august, 1941, some 650 women and children were taken away from their homes, after which they were moved to a place called [[Međugorje|Surmanci]], where they were later [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|thrown into the bottomless pit of Golubinka]] — either dead or half dead acording to accounts — together with 1.300 other Serbs living in the Čapljina and [[Mostar|Mostar municipalities]]. The men were in the mountains, hiding, in belief that the [[Croats]] would not harm their women and children. Althrough, a group of 170 villagers, which primarily consisted of men, survived the massacre. 300 children and infants were massacred that day alone. Only 14 of the 550 known Ustašas who took part in this were ever brought to trial after the [[Yugoslav People's Liberation War|War In Yugoslavia]] had ended.

The [[Virgin Mary]] is also said to have appeared to a couple of Croatian teenagers near Surmanci in the early [[80s]]. The location is today a large [[Catholic church hierarchy|Roman Catholic pilgrimage site]] and the second largest [[Marian apparition|Virgin Mary destination]] in the World, where people come from all corners of the World to pay their homage. The massacre of Serbs there is really the town's little dirty secret that's untold and many never heard about.

=== Bosnian Civil War ===
[[Image:Obj277geo305pg20p9.jpg.png|left|thumb|250px|Ceremony to commemorate the victims of the genocide, [[June]] of [[2006]] ]]
In August of [[1991]], after half a century of silence under the reign of [[Communism]] and [[Tito]], the bodies of those who had been massarcred could be extracted and given a proper Orthodox Christian burial and finaly laid to rest. In [[1992]], their remains were shattered and laid to ruins by a 300 kilogram bomb placed there by the [[Croatian army]] ([[HVO]]), led under the comand of general [[Janko Bobetko]] during operation Čagalj, along with the entire village. All that remained after this tragedy were some fragments of bones left over. One house survived the war, since it was used by a Croatian squad as shelter. A monument was also built to commemorate those who had been massacred, it was later destroyed by Croats in the [[War in Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnian Civil War]] as well. No one has yet been prosecuted for these crimes committed in the village of Prebilovci.

=== Present day ===

== Picture gallery ==

== See also ==
*[[Independent State of Croatia]] (1941-1945)
*[[Ante Pavelić]] (leader of the Independent State of Croatia)
*[[Prebilovci Massacre]]

== External links ==
* http://www.hutovo-blato.ba/ - {{en icon}} {{hr icon}}
* http://www.capljina.ba/ - {{hr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.net/ Prebilovci Site I] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.com/ Prebilovci Site II] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ Prebilovci Massacre on S-M] - {{en icon}}
* [http://www.losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2002/1202jm.htm Virgin Mary and Prebilovci by a Catholic newspaper] - {{en icon}}

== References ==

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WebsterMasters:

[[Image:Capljina Municipality Location.png|thumb|200px|Location of [[Čapljina]] in [[BiH]] [[Coordinates]]: 43° 5' 40" North, 17° 45' 12" East]]
'''Prebilovci''' ([[Serbian]] [[Cyrillic]]: '''Пребиловци'''), a [[village]] in [[Herzegovina]], near the city of [[Čapljina]] (Чапљина). Was first mentioned in the [[15th century]]. Has a population of roughly around 50 inhabitants.

Prebilovci is located in the Čapljina [[municipality]], which makes up one of the nine [[municipalities]] in the [[Herzegovina-Neretva Canton]]. The village is also located near the [[National park|Nature Park]] and [[Bird Reserve]] of [[Hutovo Blato]] (5km from Čapljina). Since [[1995]], Hutovo Blato has been protected as a Nature Park by the Public Enterprise Hutovo Blato.

== History ==
The name of the village, Prebilovci, first emerged sometime around the 15th century, and is believed to have come from the old family of Pribilovic. In the Serb Orthodox cemetery not far from the village, there is also an old grave which is believed to have belonged to a certain Stjepan Pribilovic. Today the name Pribilovci is also more frequenty used for the village.

Before the outbreak of the [[Invasion of Yugoslavia|Second World War In Yugoslavia]], the village was made up of [[Serbs]] and a few [[muslims|Muslim]] families as well, who had converted to [[Islam]] two or three centuries earlier, and life changed for the best under the Turkish occupants. The present population is primary made up of Serbs, ever since the war drew to a close, when the Muslims left their homes or were expelled because of the ethnic tensions. The people acted in revenges for atrocities commited against their women and children. Few villages in Herzegovina have vitnessed these kinds of horrors during the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|world war two persecution and genocide of Serbs]].

=== WWII and genocide ===
[[Image:CapljinaArial.jpg|right|thumb|250px|An arial view of [[Čapljina]] and the river Neretva ]]
During the [[World War II|Second World War]] the inhabitants of Prebilovci fell victim to the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|Ustaša's genocide]]. On the 6th of august, 1941, some 650 women and children were taken away from their homes, after which they were moved to a place called [[Međugorje|Surmanci]], where they were later [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|thrown into the bottomless pit of Golubinka]] — either dead or half dead acording to accounts — together with 1.300 other Serbs living in the Čapljina and [[Mostar|Mostar municipalities]]. The men were in the mountains, hiding, in belief that the [[Croats]] would not harm their women and children. Althrough, a group of 170 villagers, which primarily consisted of men, survived the massacre. 300 children and infants were massacred that day alone. Only 14 of the 550 known Ustašas who took part in this were ever brought to trial after the [[Yugoslav People's Liberation War|War In Yugoslavia]] had ended.

The [[Virgin Mary]] is also said to have appeared to a couple of Croatian teenagers near Surmanci in the early [[80s]]. The location is today a large [[Catholic church hierarchy|Roman Catholic pilgrimage site]] and the second largest [[Marian apparition|Virgin Mary destination]] in the World, where people come from all corners of the World to pay their homage. The massacre of Serbs there is really the town's little dirty secret that's untold and many never heard about.

=== Bosnian Civil War ===
[[Image:Obj277geo305pg20p9.jpg.png|left|thumb|250px|]]
In August of [[1991]], after half a century of silence under the reign of [[Communism]] and [[Tito]], the bodies of those who had been massarcred could be extracted and given a proper Orthodox Christian burial and finaly laid to rest. In [[1992]], their remains were shattered and laid to ruins by a 300 kilogram bomb placed there by the [[Croatian army]] ([[HVO]]), led under the comand of general [[Janko Bobetko]] during operation Čagalj, along with the entire village. All that remained after this tragedy were some fragments of bones left over. One house survived the war, since it was used by a Croatian squad as shelter. A monument was also built to commemorate those who had been massacred, it was later destroyed by Croats in the [[War in Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnian Civil War]] as well. No one has yet been prosecuted for these crimes committed in the village of Prebilovci.

=== Present day ===

== Picture gallery ==

== See also ==
*[[Independent State of Croatia]] (1941-1945)
*[[Ante Pavelić]] (leader of the Independent State of Croatia)
*[[Prebilovci Massacre]]

== External links ==
* http://www.hutovo-blato.ba/ - {{en icon}} {{hr icon}}
* http://www.capljina.ba/ - {{hr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.net/ Prebilovci Site I] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.com/ Prebilovci Site II] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ Prebilovci Massacre on S-M] - {{en icon}}
* [http://www.losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2002/1202jm.htm Virgin Mary and Prebilovci by a Catholic newspaper] - {{en icon}}

== References ==

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Prebilovci

2007-11-04T15:57:12Z

WebsterMasters: /* Bosnian Civil War */

[[Image:Capljina Municipality Location.png|thumb|200px|Location of [[Čapljina]] in [[BiH]] [[Coordinates]]: 43° 5' 40" North, 17° 45' 12" East]]
'''Prebilovci''' ([[Serbian]] [[Cyrillic]]: '''Пребиловци'''), a [[village]] in [[Herzegovina]], near the city of [[Čapljina]] (Чапљина). Was first mentioned in the [[15th century]]. Has a population of roughly around 50 inhabitants.

Prebilovci is located in the Čapljina [[municipality]], which makes up one of the nine [[municipalities]] in the [[Herzegovina-Neretva Canton]]. The village is also located near the [[National park|Nature Park]] and [[Bird Reserve]] of [[Hutovo Blato]] (5km from Čapljina). Since [[1995]], Hutovo Blato has been protected as a Nature Park by the Public Enterprise Hutovo Blato.

== History ==
The name of the village, Prebilovci, first emerged sometime around the 15th century, and is believed to have come from the old family of Pribilovic. In the Serb Orthodox cemetery not far from the village, there is also an old grave which is believed to have belonged to a certain Stjepan Pribilovic. Today the name Pribilovci is also more frequenty used for the village.

Before the outbreak of the [[Invasion of Yugoslavia|Second World War In Yugoslavia]], the village was made up of [[Serbs]] and a few [[muslims|Muslim]] families as well, who had converted to [[Islam]] two or three centuries earlier, and life changed for the best under the Turkish occupants. The present population is primary made up of Serbs, ever since the war drew to a close, when the Muslims left their homes or were expelled because of the ethnic tensions. The people acted in revenges for atrocities commited against their women and children. Few villages in Herzegovina have vitnessed these kinds of horrors during the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|world war two persecution and genocide of Serbs]].

=== WWII and genocide ===
[[Image:CapljinaArial.jpg|right|thumb|250px|An arial view of [[Čapljina]] and the river Neretva ]]
During the [[World War II|Second World War]] the inhabitants of Prebilovci fell victim to the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|Ustaša's genocide]]. On the 6th of august, 1941, some 650 women and children were taken away from their homes, after which they were moved to a place called [[Međugorje|Surmanci]], where they were later [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|thrown into the bottomless pit of Golubinka]] — either dead or half dead acording to accounts — together with 1.300 other Serbs living in the Čapljina and [[Mostar|Mostar municipalities]]. The men were in the mountains, hiding, in belief that the [[Croats]] would not harm their women and children. Althrough, a group of 170 villagers, which primarily consisted of men, survived the massacre. 300 children and infants were massacred that day alone. Only 14 of the 550 known Ustašas who took part in this were ever brought to trial after the [[Yugoslav People's Liberation War|War In Yugoslavia]] had ended.

The [[Virgin Mary]] is also said to have appeared to a couple of Croatian teenagers near Surmanci in the early [[80s]]. The location is today a large [[Catholic church hierarchy|Roman Catholic pilgrimage site]] and the second largest [[Marian apparition|Virgin Mary destination]] in the World, where people come from all corners of the World to pay their homage. The massacre of Serbs there is really the town's little dirty secret that's untold and many never heard about.

=== Bosnian Civil War ===
[[Image:Obj277geo305pg20p9.jpg.png]]
In August of [[1991]], after half a century of silence under the reign of [[Communism]] and [[Tito]], the bodies of those who had been massarcred could be extracted and given a proper Orthodox Christian burial and finaly laid to rest. In [[1992]], their remains were shattered and laid to ruins by a 300 kilogram bomb placed there by the [[Croatian army]] ([[HVO]]), led under the comand of general [[Janko Bobetko]] during operation Čagalj, along with the entire village. All that remained after this tragedy were some fragments of bones left over. One house survived the war, since it was used by a Croatian squad as shelter. A monument was also built to commemorate those who had been massacred, it was later destroyed by Croats in the [[War in Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnian Civil War]] as well. No one has yet been prosecuted for these crimes committed in the village of Prebilovci.

=== Present day ===

== Picture gallery ==

== See also ==
*[[Independent State of Croatia]] (1941-1945)
*[[Ante Pavelić]] (leader of the Independent State of Croatia)
*[[Prebilovci Massacre]]

== External links ==
* http://www.hutovo-blato.ba/ - {{en icon}} {{hr icon}}
* http://www.capljina.ba/ - {{hr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.net/ Prebilovci Site I] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.prebilovci.com/ Prebilovci Site II] - {{sr icon}}
* [http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ Prebilovci Massacre on S-M] - {{en icon}}
* [http://www.losangelesmission.com/ed/articles/2002/1202jm.htm Virgin Mary and Prebilovci by a Catholic newspaper] - {{en icon}}

== References ==

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[[sr:Пребиловци]]

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WebsterMasters:

[[Image:Capljina Municipality Location.png|thumb|200px|Location of [[Čapljina]] in [[BiH]] [[Coordinates]]: 43° 5' 40" North, 17° 45' 12" East]]
'''Prebilovci''' ([[Serbian]] [[Cyrillic]]: '''Пребиловци'''), a [[village]] in [[Herzegovina]], near the city of [[Čapljina]] (Чапљина). Was first mentioned in the [[15th century]]. Has a population of roughly around 50 inhabitants.

Prebilovci is located in the Čapljina [[municipality]], which makes up one of the nine [[municipalities]] in the [[Herzegovina-Neretva Canton]]. The village is also located near the [[Nature park]] and [[Bird Reserve]] of [[Hutovo Blato]] (5km from Čapljina). Since [[1995]], Hutovo Blato has been protected as a Nature park by the Public Enterprise Hutovo Blato.

== History ==
The name of the village, Prebilovci, first emerged sometime around the [[15th century]], and is believed to have come from the old family of Pribilovic. In the [[Serbian Orthodox Church|Serb Orthodox]] cemetery not far from the village, there is also an old grave which is believed to have belonged to Stjepan Pribilovic. Today the name Pribilovci is also more frequenty used for the village.[http://www.prebilovci.net/cir/default.asp]

Before the start of second world war, the Village was made up of Serbs aswell as a few [[muslims|Muslim]] families, who had converted to [[Islam]] two or three centuries earlier. The present population is primary made up of Serbs, ever since the war drew to a close, when the Muslims left their homes or where either expelled. The people acted in revenges for attrosities commited against their women and children.

=== WWII - Present ===
During [[World War II|the second world war]] the inhabitants of Prebilovci fell victim to the [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|Ustaša's genocide]]. On the 6th of august 1941, 700 women and children were taken away from their homes, after which they were moved to a place called Surmanci where they were later [[World War II persecution and genocide of Serbs|thrown into the bottomless pit of Golubinka]] — either dead or half dead acording to accounts — together with 1.300 other [[Serbs]] living in the Čapljina and [[Mostar|Mostar municipalities]]. The men were in the mountains hiding, in belief that the [[Croats]] would not harm their women and children. Althrough, 170 villagers survived the massacre and remarkably 45 people survived the crush of the pit Golubinka and escaped, later to tell about the disaster that had take place. 300 children and infants were massacred that day alone. Only 14 of the 550 known Ustašas who took part in this were ever brought to trial after [[the Yugoslav People's Liberation War|war in Yugoslavia]] had ended.

The [[Virgin Mary]] is also said to have appeared to a couple of Croatian teenagers near [[Međugorje|Surmanci]] in the early [[80's]]. The location is today a large [[Catholic church hierarchy|Roman Catholic pilgrimage site]] and the second largest [[Marian apparition|Virgin Mary destination]] in the World, where people come from all corners of the World to pay their homage. The [[Prebilovci massacre]] is really the town's little dirty secret that's untold and many never heard about.

In August of [[1991]], after half a century of silence under the reign of [[Communism]] and [[Tito]], the bodies of those who had been massarcred were extracted and given a proper Orthodox Christian burial and finaly laid to rest. In [[1992]], their remains were shattered and laid to ruins by a 300 kilogram bomb placed there by the [[Croatian army]] ([[HVO]]), led under the comand of general [[Janko Bobetko]] during operation Čagalj, along with the entire village. All that remained after this tragedy were some fragments of bones left over. A monument was also built to commemorate those who had been massacred, it was later destroyed by Croats in the [[War in Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnian Civil War]] aswell. No one has yet been prosecuted for these crimes committed in the village of Prebilovci.

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== See also ==
*[[Independent State of Croatia]] (1941-1945)
*[[Ante Pavelić]] (leader of the Independent State of Croatia)
*[[Prebilovci Massacre]]

== External links ==
* http://www.hutovo-blato.ba/ - {{en icon}} {{hr icon}}
* http://www.capljina.ba/ - {{hr icon}}
* http://www.prebilovci.net/ - {{sr icon}}
* http://www.prebilovci.com/ - {{sr icon}}
* http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ - {{en icon}}

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