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2017-11-22T10:56:39Z

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== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Gregor Coleman|Gregor Coleman]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by KGirlTrucker81 was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The Sun is not a good source.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
{{clear}}
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[[User:KGirlTrucker81|'''KGirl''']] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|(Wanna chat?)]] 12:19, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

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I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk|Articles for creation help desk]]'''. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the '''[[Wikipedia:Teahouse|Teahouse]]''', a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! [[User:KGirlTrucker81|'''KGirl''']] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|(Wanna chat?)]] 12:19, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>
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== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Gregor Coleman]] has been accepted ==
<div style="border:solid 1px #57DB1E; background:#E6FFE6; padding:1em; padding-top:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.5em; width:20em; color:black; margin-bottom: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.5em; width: 90%;">[[File:AFC-Logo.svg|50px|left]] '''[[Gregor Coleman]], which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.''' The article has been assessed as '''Stub-Class''', which is recorded on the article's [[Talk:Gregor Coleman|talk page]]. You may like to take a look at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Grading scheme|grading scheme]] to see how you can improve the article.
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to [[Wikipedia]]. {{#if:
|You may wish to consider [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|registering an account]] so you can create articles yourself
|Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can [[Wikipedia:Starting an article|create articles yourself]], and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] if you prefer
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* If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the '''[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Gregor_Coleman help desk]'''.
* If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider {{leave feedback/link|page=Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation|text=leaving us some feedback}}.
Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!
[[User:KGirlTrucker81|'''KGirl''']] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|(Wanna chat?)]] 13:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The sources aren't enough to establish notability. A large chunk of the sources is just about his company, and a person can't inherit notability from a company they are apart of. Beyond that, there is a slew of primary sources or routine PR stuff. The couple of articles that directly cover the subject are just local coverage from his hometown and two are interview, thus making them primary, not secondary. The top 100 list is about the only thing close to substantial, but being included in a list of 100 other people just isn't enough to establish notability.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
{{clear}}
* If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to [[Draft:Chris Percival]] and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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[[User:Sulfurboy|Sulfurboy]] ([[User talk:Sulfurboy|talk]]) 13:57, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=Like I said, the top 100 list isn't enough for notability, especially considering the list is crowdsourced.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
{{clear}}
* If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to [[Draft:Chris Percival]] and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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[[User:Sulfurboy|Sulfurboy]] ([[User talk:Sulfurboy|talk]]) 14:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

== November 2017 ==
[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to [[:Draft:Chris Percival]], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] for that. ''Please do not removed submission decline history on your draft page.'' [[User:Sulfurboy|Sulfurboy]] ([[User talk:Sulfurboy|talk]]) 14:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I didn't, you have removed some edits which improved the article? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]]) 14:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by Theroadislong was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The awards are not notable.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
{{clear}}
* If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to [[Draft:Chris Percival]] and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 15:46, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

== Managing a conflict of interest ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, Wikidocs. We [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome]] your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|you have written about]] in the article [[Draft:Chris Percival]], you may have a [[conflict of interest]] (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. Editing for the purpose of advertising or promotion is not permitted. See the '''[[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]]''' and [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations|FAQ for organizations]] for more information. We ask that you:

*'''avoid editing or creating''' articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
* '''propose changes''' on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{tl|request edit}} template);
* '''disclose''' your COI when discussing affected articles (see [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI|WP:DISCLOSE]]);
*'''avoid linking''' to your organization's website in other articles (see [[Wikipedia:Spam|WP:SPAM]]);
*'''do your best''' to comply with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Core content policies|content policies]].

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure|WP:PAID]]). Thank you.{{#ifexpr: ({{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} - 20171111164407) < 5000000000 | [[Category:User talk pages with conflict of interest notices|{{PAGENAME}}]] | }} [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 16:44, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)]]==
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A tag has been placed on [[:Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)]], requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G11|section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion]], because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read [[Wikipedia:Spam|the guidelines on spam]] and [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations]] for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)|visiting the page]] and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with [[Wikipedia:List of policies|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]]. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the {{Querylink|Special:Log|qs=type=delete&page=Chris+Percival+%28Entrepreneur%29|deleting administrator}}.   [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 12:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Jigsaw Records]] ==

You cannot hijack an article and change what it is about...if the company is notable draft an article about it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Jigsaw Records Ltd has trademark protection. The Seattle Company you are trying to replace it with does not. This is contrary to law. The subject has notability which has been approved in AfC. If you replace again I will report you for infringement of the trademark refered to in the article. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]]) 22:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{nacc}} As {{u|Theroadislong}} points out, it is possible for Wikipedia articles to have the same name, and [[:WP:DAB|disambiguation]] is used in such cases to distinguish between the two subjects. So, if you feel that the record company deserves to have a Wikipedia article written about it, feel free to write a [[:WP:DRAFTS|draft]] and submit it for inclusion via [[:WP:AfC]] to. You can find some advice on writing Wikipedia articles in [[:WP:YFA]]. If, however, you are connected to the company in anyway, please refer to [[:WP:COI]] and [[:WP:PSCOI]] for some general information on conflict of interest editing.
:Finally, the last part of you post is something which might easily be percieved to be a legal threat of some kind made against another editor. Per [[:WP:NLT]], this is something which is explicitly not allowed under any circumstances, and is something which almost always leads to an immediate block by [[:WP:ADMIN|adminstrators]]. So, I strongly suggest you carefully reconsider what you posted and revise it accordingly as explained in [[:WP:REDACT]], and refrain from posting similar things in the future. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 01:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== November 2017 ==
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|left|alt=|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]] according to the reverts you have made on [[:Jigsaw Records]]. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus-building in talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[Wikipedia:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]] rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. 
Please be particularly aware that [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|Wikipedia's policy on edit warring]] states:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made'''.
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.''' [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 00:17, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== please ==

do not take over existing articles with content about an entirely different subject. -- [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 02:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

==Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion==
[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]] regarding a possible [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] incident with which you may be involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Jigsaw Records|Jigsaw Records]].  Thank you. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 07:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

==[[WP:DEPROD|Deprodding]] of [[:Jigsaw Records (US company)]]==
I have removed the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} tag from [[:Jigsaw Records (US company)]], which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{Tlc|proposed deletion}} back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion]]. Thanks! -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:43, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:Technically, I didn't remove the tag. I was in the process of doing so, but {{u|Theroadislong}} removed it first. So, I posted the above notification template as a courtesy. If you still would like to pursue this matter, you will need to nominate the article for deletion via [[:WP:AfD]]. As I posted at [[:Talk:Jigsaw Records (UK company)#Article blanking]], you should read up a bit on AfD to better familiarize yourself with how such discussions typically work, particularly [[:WP:BEFORE]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 08:51, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== November 2017 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Indefinite_blocks|indefinitely]]''' from editing for [[Wikipedia:Spam|advertising or promotion]]. From your [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contributions]], this seems to be your only purpose. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}.  [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 10:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)</div></div>[[Category:Wikipedians who are indefinitely blocked for advertising|{{PAGENAME}}]]

{{unblock|reason=The article created for Gregor Coleman was approved in AfC and moved by an editor independently. It is notable and I have NO connection with this individual or any of the edits I have made. Furthermore, a suggestion that the US 'Jigsaw Records' is notable over the UK one is frankly ridiculous. The UK entity has significant coverage on a broad range of primary and secondary sources. The US one does not and has very questionable notability, without any coverage at all on notable or reliable sources. Furthermore, all topics are factual and backed up with various, significant and reliable sources in accordance with WP guidelines -
they should not have been deleted on this basis without a formal deletion discussion. Given this, and my lack of connection, I appeal my ban. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]]) 10:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)}}

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== Feb 2009 orphan copyvios ==

Hey,

Sorry I missed your ping on IRC yesterday.

In my latest de-orphan run, I've come to realise that quite a few of the February 2009 orphans are G12-eligible copyvios as you can see from my [[User:DrStrauss/CSD log|Twinkle CSD log]]. I'll look for a way to automate this kind of thing :)

Thanks,

'''[[User:DrStrauss|DrStrauss]] [[User talk:DrStrauss|talk]]''' 14:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

:Don't worry about it! I was mostly just crowing that the teeny little Oct 2009 orphans cat had been cleared :3 Also yeah there's a toooon of copyvios in the orphans (it's downright embarrassing how many) so I've been making a point of running most of them through the Earwig detector just in case before I do anything else. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 00:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

== Administrator confidence survey form ==

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== ANI ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  This refers to the recent conduct of {{u|Bobo192}} at AfD discussions. [[User:Harrias|Harrias]] [[User_talk:Harrias|talk]] 18:48, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Bactiguard Wire Brass]] ==

hi, i noticed that you reverted my removal of the orphan tag of the article stated in the header. if i understood correctly, [[Wikipedia:Orphan]], which states the current consensus of the community, says that a single wikilink which fits to the orphan criteria is enough to remove the tag, and the article has six wikilinks, which is more than enough. if i missed something, like another more recent consensus, please let me know. i am new and i want to learn more :) [[User:TemTem|TemTem]] ([[User talk:TemTem|talk]]) 11:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
:Ohh gosh ok. There's a couple of small nuances to de-orphaning properly. The whole point of de-orphaning is to integrate stuff better into the encyclopedia so that people can find more content organically/by accident rather than only by searching specifically for it. The criteria for what links count as de-orphaning reflect that purpose, and they are listed on WP:ORPHAN if you read a little farther down.
:The major thing to remember is that to count for orphan purposes, links to the article need to be from inside another encyclopedia article ("mainspace" or "articlespace"). So anything not in the article namespace (for example links that start with Talk or Wikipedia) is not a valid link for de-orphaning because it's not in the actual encyclopedia. Second, redirects on their own don't count, because they are also not integrated into the encyclopedia - they're just other names that point to the same article in case someone gets confused when searching. And third (although not relevant for Bactiguard Wire Brass), disambiguation pages also don't count because they're also not really articles, they're like signposts for when a bunch of things have a similar name.
:So if you look at Bactiguard Wire Brass, even though it has some things that link to it, none of the things that link to it are from actual article space, they're all Talk pages or redirects. So it's still an orphan because nothing links to it in article space. Does that make sense? &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 21:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
::ah, i missed that part. so most of the links are redirects, however, there are links on the article which are valid incoming links, which are [[brass band]] and [[Warrington]]. here is some quote from [[Wikipedia:Orphan]]:
:::''Although a '''single''', relevant incoming link is '''sufficient''' to remove the tag, three or more is ideal and will help ensure the article is reachable by readers.
::the page says that one incoming link is okay to remove the tag, and that the 3+ links are just recommendations. so is it okay for you to consider this article not an orphan, but underlinked? well, either way, your response above is important for me for future de-orphaning that i will do. :) [[User:TemTem|TemTem]] ([[User talk:TemTem|talk]]) 01:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Ohh I see the problem! De-orphaning is about ensuring that ''other'' articles link to the article in question, ''not'' that the article in question has links out to other articles. If you look on the left under "Tools" you'll see "What links here". Those are the links WP:ORPHANAGE is concerned with, not the bluelinks ''in'' the article itself. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 01:06, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::uh oh, i made a huge mistake. i am going to fix my mistake. i'm sorry for wasting your time. [[User:TemTem|TemTem]] ([[User talk:TemTem|talk]]) 05:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::{{u|TemTem}}, lol, nooo don't be sorry. Everyone makes mistakes and the great thing about Wikipedia is that everything is always saved, so any mistakes can be easily fixed :) The important thing is that you wanted to help with a backlog and that's really awesome, so please don't feel bad and ''never ever'' think that you wasted my time. If you are interested in adding links inside articles, sometimes casually known as "wikifying", you may be interested in the category of [[CAT:UL|articles with too few wikilinks]]. But if you want to stick around at WP:ORPHANAGE we would ''love'' to have the help. Everyone on the talk page there is super welcoming and happy to give de-orphaning tips. I'm also happy to help you out here if you want. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 05:39, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::::well, i am going to stick with WP:ORPHANAGE and truly remove non-orphans from the backlog so that other members will not waste time on fixing something that is not broken or already fixed. and thanks to you, i know what really an orphan is :) [[User:TemTem|TemTem]] ([[User talk:TemTem|talk]]) 06:11, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Sounds good! We love seeing new faces around. Ping me or come say hOI! any time you need anything or if you want to chat :) (PS excellent username) &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 06:37, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Panzer 88 ==

I notice you closed [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Panzer 88]] as "delete" but it seems you did not delete the page. Is something else up with this? There's an editor making a lot of noise about it but I don't see a deletion review in progress. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]) 01:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
:Oh shit, QuickClose must not have gone through fully. I've deleted it properly now. Thanks for the heads up. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 02:58, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Frédéric Boniface==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Frédéric Boniface]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Frédéric Boniface|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 20:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

== AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou ==

I'm not sure why you redirected [[AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou]]. Teams in the 3rd, and even 4th level of Cypriot football are generally notable, and this team in particular meets [[WP:FOOTYN]] having both played in national level league(s), and also participating in a national cup. I'm not sure why the discussion for a similar team [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ormideia FC]] is apparently going in a different direction. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 02:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Because the consensus at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AEN Ayiou Georgiou Vrysoullon-Acheritou]] was clearly to not keep the article as a standalone. There was only a single comment arguing for keep and even that argument was based on primary sources and wasn't strong. I have no idea about the other AfD; I haven't seen it. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 07:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::As pointed out in the AFD, [http://www.rsssf.com/tablesc/cyp3part.html http://www.rsssf.com/tablesc/cyp3part.html] is not a primary source. And a primary source like [http://www.cfa.com.cy the league's end-of-season table] is fine, as there is no interpretation necessary. Also I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AEN_Ayiou_Georgiou_Vrysoullon-Acheritou&diff=800481635&oldid=800472443 added] information about their national cup participation to the article itself which I'm not sure that [[User:Fenix down]], [[User:L3X1]], or [[User:K.e.coffman]] examined (or [[User:GiantSnowman]] for that matter). [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 08:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I have no objection to you taking it to [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] for re-assessment, but I am confident in my close. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 08:14, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm happy with the close too. [[WP:FOOTYN]] is just an essay, not a notability guideline, so whilst in general AfDs may result in decisions that align with it, it has no formal bearing in close rationales. I think the merge is fine. Appearances in a cup specifically designed for lower league teams is not what I would deem to be a national cup as it specifically excludes a number of more notable clubs. Furthermore, the most notable events in the club's history seem to have occurred prior to the merger. As such I don't think we need to have two articles on what is essentially the same club, especially given that there is a redirect. If wider GNG can be shown for the merged club then I have no problem with a fork at some point in the future. Regarding the other AfD, the keep votes there seem reasonable as that is a club that has always been a single club and isn't the result of a merger. [[User:Fenix down|Fenix down]] ([[User talk:Fenix down|talk]]) 08:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, if we are treating the the redirect as a merge, I suppose it might make sense. Though I have to think we probably should have gone the opposite direction if there was only to be one article (which is also fine). That's a good point about the other article, having only been one team. I'd think there'd be some coverage in the media, but it is hard to find good sources. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 08:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::Feel free to flip it the other way around, if the AEN name is the more recent one. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 08:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
* I think that is the solution, I think I'll do that at some point over the weekend. That will give (partial) reverts to both of your last edits on the articles. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 06:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
:: Ended up doing it now, as I noticed that [[User:Xaris333]] had already started the job, after the discussion here. [[User:Nfitz|Nfitz]] ([[User talk:Nfitz|talk]]) 07:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

==DYK for Frédéric Boniface==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#20 September 2017|20 September 2017]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Frédéric Boniface]]''''', which you recently nominated. The fact was ''... that the [[French Football Federation]] issued a reversal of a league win after [[Amiens SC]] disputed [[Olympique Noisy-le-Sec]] player '''[[Frédéric Boniface]]'''{{`s}} eligibility to play in the match?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[]].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Frédéric Boniface|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Frédéric Boniface]].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Frédéric Boniface|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template talk:Did you know/Frédéric Boniface]].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-09-10&end=2017-09-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Boniface daily totals]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 12:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

==Deleted page for [[Eseyas Debesay]]==
Requesting deletion reversal for the page [[Eseyas Debesay]] as it is an African singer stub. Sources should not be scrutinized as much as for living persons in the western hemisphere as there is little or no western press coverage for relatively well known people in the Africa region.
This is part of a larger effort to not discriminate against those located in unconnected regions in the world - @WikiProject Africa, I suggest we keep the page alive and slowly populate and improve it with the help of the very few people working on this type of pages. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Divex|Divex]] ([[User talk:Divex#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Divex|contribs]]) 03:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC) 
:With due respect, Wikipedia requires reliable sources to support all content, particularly BLPs. There is no requirement that sources be Western, only that they be reliable - African newspapers and magazines will do just fine, even if they are not in English. The article was sourced to two YouTube interviews, which are not reliable sources for the purpose of establishing notability. I am happy to restore the page to Draftspace, where it can be worked on as you suggest, but we really should not have unreliably-sourced BLPs in mainspace. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Hi PMC, thank you for your comments at my RfA. I hope that I'll be able to answer your concerns with my actions rather than my words. Cheers, [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|''666'']] 23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:{{U|Ansh666}}, for what it's worth, I don't think you'll be a bad admin in any way. If it were more contentious I wouldn't have struck my support, because I do think you'll do well with the tools. I actually went to your talk page to write a congrats message then stopped because I thought it might be awkward so I'm glad you came by here. I look forward to seeing you at XfDs with an admin hat :) &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:32, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

== "Amr El-Shamy" Rereview Deleted article ==

please, review Deleted "Amr El-Shamy" [[Amr_El-Shamy]] article and restore it and revote, it's only two votes vs one vote, Thank you. [[User:Timetoday195|Timetoday195]] ([[User talk:Timetoday195|talk]]) 17:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
:AfD is not a straight numerical vote. It's a discussion. The arguments for delete, including the nomination, clearly indicated that participants agreed that there was not sufficient ongoing coverage of the subject to support a standalone article. If you have more sources that would indicate he does pass the [[WP:NARTIST|artist notability guideline]] or the [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]], please post them here for review. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 06:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

[http://www.fubiz.net/en/2017/01/30/clever-settings-of-wild-life-with-miniature-animal-figurines/ Clever Settings of Wild Life with Miniature Animal Figurines], [https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/photoshop-tips-top-designers-artists 11 Photoshop Tips and Secrets From Top Designers and Artists], [https://petapixel.com/2017/01/31/photographer-shoots-gorgeous-wildlife-photos-room/ This Photographer Shoots Gorgeous Wildlife Photos… in His Room],
[https://www.swiatobrazu.pl/egipski-fotograf-wykonuje-zdjecia-dzikich-zwierzat-w-domu-35128.html Egipski fotograf wykonuje zdjęcia dzikich zwierząt w domu], [https://www.brilio.net/wow/5-trik-fotografi-ini-pasti-bikin-kamu-tertipu-seni-tingkat-tinggi-nih-170218s.html 5 Trik fotografi ini pasti bikin kamu tertipu, seni tingkat tinggi nih], [https://www.thephoblographer.com/2016/12/19/amr-elshamy-turns-toy-models-dramatic-sci-fi-scene/ Amr Elshamy Turns Toy Models Into A Dramatic Sci-Fi Scene], [https://www.designfaves.com/2017/01/amr-elshamy-the-art-of-storytelling-and-magical-sceneries Amr Elshamy: The Art of Storytelling and Magical Sceneries], [https://www.designideas.pics/colors-of-ramadan-by-amr-elshamy/ Colors of Ramadan by Amr Elshamy], [https://steemit.com/art/@kidsysco/the-photoshop-2017-splash-screen-by-amr-elshamy The Photoshop 2017 Splash Screen by Amr Elshamy], [https://www.machodominante.es/amr-elshamy-lo-combina-todo/ ¡Amr Elshamy lo combina todo!],
[http://leblogphoto.net/2017/01/30/amr-elshamy-photographie-la-faune-aquatique-dans-son-studio/ Amr Elshamy photographie la faune aquatique dans son studio], [http://numerik.blogspirit.com/archive/2016/11/08/amr-elshamy-round-things-3082744.html Round Things, les jolies créations digitales de Amr Elshamy], [https://www.diyphotography.net/photographer-creates-wildlife-underwater-photos-without-leaving-studio/ THIS PHOTOGRAPHER CREATES WILDLIFE AND UNDERWATER PHOTOS WITHOUT LEAVING HIS STUDIO], [http://fotoblogia.pl/10199,te-niesamowite-zdjecia-dzikiej-przyrody-powstaja-w-pokoju-fotografa Te niesamowite zdjęcia dzikiej przyrody powstają w... pokoju fotografa][http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/12/egypt-artist-photoshop-digital-amr-el-shamy.html Egyptian artist defies odds with Photoshop's newest cover], [http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2016/11/07/591141/ Young Egyptian artist’s illustration makes it to Photoshop’s opening splash - Daily News Egypt], [http://alkhaleejonline.net/articles/1478180114769026900/%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A9-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A8-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%A3%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D9%82%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9/ عمله تصدَّر واجهة "فوتوشوب".. مصري يبهر العالم بأعماله الرقمية], [http://scoopempire.com/egyptian-artist-adobe-photoshops-newest-cover/ Egyptian Artist Designs Adobe Photoshop’s Newest Cover], [https://aawsat.com/home/article/777021/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%B9%D9%85%D8%B1%D9%88-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A-%D9%82%D8%B5%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA%D9%87-%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81-%C2%AB%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A8-%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%8A-2017%C2%BB المصري عمرو الشامي يروي قصة اختيار صورته لغلاف «فوتوشوب سي سي 2017»], [https://www.alhurra.com/a/egyptiian-artist-photoshop/332873.html صورة لشاب مصري على غلاف فوتوشوب 2017], [http://www.elwatannews.com/news/details/1564292 بعد 12 عاما من التجارب.. عمرو الشامي أول عربي يصمم صورة غلاف "فوتوشوب 2017"], [http://www.masrawy.com/News/News_Various/details/2016/11/5/972293/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A8-%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A8-2017- مصراوي يحاور صاحب صورة غلاف "فوتوشوب 2017"], [https://arabic.sputniknews.com/mosaic/201611051020701097-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A/ إنتاج مصري يتصدر غلاف الإصدار الجديد لفوتوشوب], [http://www.youm7.com/story/2016/11/5/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%89-%D9%8A%D8%B5%D9%85%D9%85-%D8%BA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8B%D8%A7-%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AC-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%A8/2954872 مصرى يصمم غلافًا للإصدار الجديد من برنامج "فوتوشوب"], [https://al-ain.com/article/amro-alshamy-adobe-photoshop "العين" تحاور الشامي.. أول مصري يضع بصمته على غلاف "فوتوشوب"] [http://www.cairoscene.com/ArtsAndCulture/First-Egyptian-Artist-Featured-on-Photoshop-is-More-Famous-Abroad-Than-at-Home FIRST EGYPTIAN ARTIST FEATURED ON PHOTOSHOP IS MORE FAMOUS ABROAD THAN AT HOME], [http://seethrumag.com/egyptian-artist-designs-adobe-photoshops-cover/ EGYPTIAN ARTIST DESIGNS ADOBE PHOTOSHOP’S COVER],[https://blog.photoshopcreative.co.uk/blog/amr-elshamys-tips-techniques-and-photoshop-journey/ Amr Elshamy’s tips, techniques and Photoshop journey], [https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/the-bully-project-mosaic-art-for-a-movement/ The BULLY Project Mosaic: Art for A Movement], [https://www.thephoblographer.com/2015/06/19/color-of-ramadan-an-incredibly-difficult-photo-project/ Interview with The Phoblographer],

So please check out the sources there a lot more but I think that's enough, there more stuff on Google as well, "some in Arabic" so please concerned it again and restore the page if possible, Thank you. [[User:Timetoday195|Timetoday195]] ([[User talk:Timetoday195|talk]]) 11:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources used to assess notability must comply with our [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] policy. Primarily, they should be in-depth (more than just a paragraph), independent (ie NOT produced or paid for by the subejct), and reliably accurate (ie they have editorial oversight and fact-checking). My assessment of the sources you've posted:
#Fubiz is a combination blog/promotional platform for artists and brands, so not really reliable. Even if we take it at face value it's also only a paragraph long so barely "in-depth". Not great.
#The Shutterstock article is not a critical discussion ''of'' the subject, but a promotional listicle that features a "tip" ''from'' the subject (among others). It does nothing to establish his notability as an artist.
#PetaPixel is sourced to Phoblographer, which is a blog. They solicit articles from photographers [https://www.thephoblographer.com/2015/01/28/want-feature-photography/#/ here] so they are clearly not independent.
#swiatobrazu.pl is not in-depth, it is merely a repeat (translated into Polish) of the content from Fubiz/Phoblographer.
#brillo.net is another listicle; lists of tips from artists are not critical discussions or overviews of the artist or their work, they do not show notability.
#designfaves.com and designideas.pics are both blogs with no editorial oversight, you can just submit stuff to them and they'll post it, so no way to confirm independence.
#steemit is social media, so not reliable.
Long story short, none of the sources posted meet the criteria in our reliable sources guideline. At this point I am not going to undelete the article. However, you are free to ask for other opinions at [[WP:DRV|deletion review]], where they can review my close and determine if I was correct. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – October 2017 ==

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== Redirect ==

Hello,

It is not a "wiki" script to make those. Some are done manually, but I do have a separate macro program running sometime with a Excel spreadsheet in the background for the long tasks. The main spreadsheet is a result of two other spreadsheets of formatting to get the redirect raw wiki code and the other is the web address. The macro copies and pastes from the main spreadsheet to make the redirect. It is something that can be done manually, but it takes the repetitive nature of it out. That is all there is to it. [[User:Red Director|Red Director]] ([[User talk:Red Director|talk]]) 12:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Red Director}} I'm fairly sure that any kind of mass-scale, high-speed programmed editing, especially of page creation (even redirects) requires approval from the [[WP:BAG|Bot Approvals Group]] and needs to be in compliance with the [[WP:BOTS|Bot policy]]. Do you have approval for this task somewhere? I did check but can't see anything. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 18:54, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

::I did not submit any request to do so. I was unaware that such protocol exists for that. I have stopped the script and will not open it again unless given approval. I apologize for any inconvenience. This goes back to August using this method if you need that information. [[User:Red Director|Red Director]] ([[User talk:Red Director|talk]]) 20:21, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:::It's no problem, I just happened to notice them being created while surfing the New Pages feed and wondered about the speed they were getting made at. I'm not a programmer myself so I can't offer any better assistance, but you can make a request at [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval]] and they'll talk you through the process and let you know if it's all right to carry on. You will need to make a separate bot account though. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 20:51, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[World Resources Institute]] ==

I just wanted to let you know that I have since talked to my mentee ({{Ping|A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver}}), about moving World Resources Institute and they misunderstood how drafification works (over deletion), I have since cleared that up. [[User:Zppix|Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ]] [[User Talk:Zppix|Talk]] 21:11, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:No problem. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 21:15, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Death to illegal aliens and commie traitors]] ==
Please revoke talk page privileges. Death threat. Thanks [[User:Jim1138|Jim1138]] ([[User talk:Jim1138|talk]]) 06:25, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
:Done just before I got this message :) Revdelling it now. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 06:26, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

== Frédéric Boniface ==

Hello. I thought I'd already thanked you for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Frédéric Boniface|this]], but was mistaken. So thanks, albeit belated: it's always good to have one's work appreciated. cheers, [[User:Struway2|Struway2]] ([[User talk:Struway2|talk]]) 09:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:No problem. I had to pay my respects given how much of an improvement you made to that article during the AfD. Cheers right back :) &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:49, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

==Gus Birney==
Could you perhaps reconsider your decision at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gus Birney]]? As I set out in my last comment (I didn't bother replying to the responder as they seemingly obfuscated my argument), she does meet [[WP:NACTOR]]/[[WP:ENT]] due to her significant role in a NYT reviewed production of ''The Rose Tattoo'', where she had the third-largest part. The fact that the review does not comment on her performance in detail is irrelevant for the purposes of [[WP:NACTOR]]. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 11:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:Overall the consensus was that she didn't meet [[WP:NACTOR]], or if she did it was just barely and without much RS coverage to back it up. NACTOR asks for multiple roles, not just two, and third-largest part is a bit of a stretch for a "significant" role. I'm willing to userfy the article as a draft, on the assumption that this is just a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]] and that more coverage will be forthcoming with more roles. Otherwise you're free to contest my close at DRV, I take no offense to more eyes looking at my close. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:08, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
::Perhaps this comes down to a difference of interpretation on "multiple". [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/multiple Wiktionary] defines multiple as "more than one". If the intent of NACTOR was to mean "three or more", then should it not read "three or more" rather than "multiple"? I've searched the talkpage archive for [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)]], and can find nothing to support multiple as meaning three or more. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 23:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
:::I tend to interpret notability criteria a little less by the precise letter of the policy (remember, we're not a bureaucracy) and a little more by the available sources (especially for a BLP, which we have to be pretty stringent about). I think if a subject has few roles (ie only 2 or 3), you need a lot more in-depth sourcing to show the significance of those roles for the purpose of the subject being [[WP:N|notable]].
:::If the most important roles on her resume are the third-listed role in a cancelled single-season TV show and a third-listed role in a play, then there needs to be ''lots'' of commentary telling us how significant those roles were. But that sourcing wasn't there. She was barely name-dropped in the NYT review of that play, which suggests that maybe the role wasn't that significant after all. If it were, they would have found the space to comment on it. Without sources discussing the significance of her roles, there's no real basis for claiming the role is significant except subjective opinion.
:::Overall, I think the consensus in the AfD was that this is a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]], rather than a case of someone completely lacking notability. Again, I can draftify it for the time being pending more sources, but I'm not going to restore the article to main. [[WP:DRV|Deletion review]] is also an option; the commenters at that venue may well disagree with my assessment and overturn my close. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 05:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== Romanian cave ==

Hello, I'm not that fluent in Romanian, but without any translating tool help I confirm the length in both articles is stated as 11,000 meters. Regards, --— [[User:Jfblanc|J. F. B.]] ([[User talk:Jfblanc|me´n parlar]]) 05:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the help, I appreciate you taking the time to look. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 05:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

:: Site [http://www.montaniarzi.ro/pestera-topolnita-printre-primele-20-de-pesteri-din-lume/] indicates that the estimated length of the cave is of about 20.5 kilometers, out of which about 11.0 km have been explored by speologists and the rest is still waiting for exploaration. The 11.0 km is a rounded up figure, the correct length is 10.330 km. This seems to be the length of the underground reach of the Topolnița river as it crosses the cave.[[User:Afil|Afil]] ([[User talk:Afil|talk]]) 22:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for checking for me, I appreciate it! &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 13:11, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

== Caves and vultures ==

At a quick glance, ''Reportaj Mehedinti'' is saying in 2014 that the river Topolnita enters the cave system at the Prosacul entrance and emerges, 11,000 metres further on, at the Ciocirlie mouth. This information is credited to Doru Tîrlui, mayor of Cireșu, speaking to AGERPRES. On the other hand, ''Adevarul Turnu-Severin'' says that the cave is 11,000 metres long and is the 3rd [longest] in Romania and the 17th in the world. It says further on that 11 km have been explored up to 2013. Seems everyone is sure about the 11,000 metres but not so sure what is being measured.

You probably know, the Romanian article [[:ro:Peștera Topolnița]] says 10,330 metres. The source for this figure, which is sufficiently precise to be half-convincing, was formerly cited on that page, but a recent editor didn't like it. [http://evz.ro/o-familie-de-zagani-a-fost-vazuta-la-pestera-topolnitei-848914.html Here is that source]: it's about a family of vultures ''Gypaetus barbatus''. [[User talk:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]] 13:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you!! I was thinking maybe the 11,000m figure had to do with the length of one of the main passages, and the source talking about the river suggests that maybe that is the case. Possibly the 25km figure is the entire collective length of every passage in the cave, which would make sense. Also, I appreciate you finding that source about the vultures for me :D I can definitely use that. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 22:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

==DYK for Trou au Natron==
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}} [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|Talk]] 01:48, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
==Shafi Group==
[[User:Premeditated Chaos]], this is a request to please provide me a copy of recently deleted article [[Shafi Group]] which was deleted by you on 11 October 2017 as an administrator. I was very disappointed that it was deleted. I had worked hard to add 5 new references and 3 external links (the article was previously unreferenced since 2008). I feel I had worked hard to improve it. In my view ''Leather International'' business magazine coverage of ''Shafi Group'' was already in-depth coverage of the leather tanneries and leather products. My references were mostly solid [[Reliable Sources]] - for example [[Business Recorder]] (business newspaper) is the "largest business newspaper" of Pakistan per our own Wikipedia article. [[Dawn (newspaper)]] is another reliable source and is very frequently used on Wikipedia as a reference. Most of all [[Bloomberg]] business website is a huge international website, not a business directory like one person commented on the 'Deletion Discussion Forum'. I personally know this from my life experiences. I am a 71 year old retired Ford engineer and have been playing the stock market since 1983 from my home in Michigan. Have been editing Wikipedia, as a hobby, for nearly 5 years and am somewhat proud of the fact that I have never "intentionally reverted" anybody's edited work on Wikipedia. You can review my contributions and record on Wikipedia. In short, I think I should be given another chance to improve the article. I am open to any suggestions from you. THANKS [[User:Ngrewal1|Ngrewal1]] ([[User talk:Ngrewal1|talk]]) 01:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Ngrewal1. We have some pretty strict standards when it comes to referencing businesses and corporations. Businesses tend to generate a lot of fairly shallow press-release style coverage as a byproduct of existing - lots of stuff like, "this business exists and has 500 employees, they make X product and Ms. Smith is their CEO." As a result, we require ''very'' in-depth coverage of businesses in order for sources to be acceptable as indications of notability ([[WP:CORPDEPTH]] is the relevant guideline).
:To give a quick review of the sources from the page: LeatherMag is a trade magazine of limited audience, so while the coverage isn't bad, it doesn't indicate the kind of "attention by the world at large" that the [[WP:N|overall notability policy]] asks for. While Bloomberg ''is'' a huge business website, merely having the company's business listed there isn't enough to indicate ''encyclopedic notability''. We need something substantial like a business profile written by a staffer (not a blogger or amateur contributor) - just a listing with no critical commentary fails [[WP:CORPDEPTH]]. The Business Recorder article is less about the actual company than about the whole leather industry in Pakistan - again not really the depth of coverage of the company that we're looking for.
:If you think you can find more sources that comply with CORPDEPTH, I can restore the page to your userspace to be worked on, but I would ask you not to restore it to mainspace without confirming with an experienced editor (anyone, not just me) that the sources meet CORPDEPTH. If you don't want to do that, but still disagree with my close, I happily invite you to post at [[WP:DRV|deletion review]] seeking a second opinion of my close. If they find that it was in error they will overturn it and restore the article to mainspace. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 00:52, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== Happy Birthday! ==

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|text = Just a happy birthday message to you, {{ROOTPAGENAME}}, from the [[Wikipedia:Birthday Committee|Wikipedia Birthday Committee!]] Have a great day! [[User:Lepricavark|Lepricavark]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 02:34, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
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==Welcome!==

[[Image:Chocolate chip cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Premeditated Chaos! Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Premeditated Chaos|your contributions]]. I am [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:Drewmutt|my talk page]]. You can also check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]] or type {{tlx|help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 02:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, I couldn't resist :) but yes, they're bday cookies! [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 02:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::So rude. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 02:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Oh, actually that's what we call "uncivil" here on WP.. hold on lemme find the template.. :P [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 02:38, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Um, have you even read [[WP:CIVIL]]? Are you a Certified Regular? Do you have your license to be templating? &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:01, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Okay, I'm sensing a lot of hostility here. And I looked into it, and unless you're a professor from the 1800s, you're not notable, and I can delete your user page. [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 03:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::How do you know I'm not a professor from the 1800s? OR alert!! &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Okay, first off.. rude. Second, OR what? It's seen as good form to complete your sentences on Wikipedia. [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 03:20, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::::::::U r so blocked &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== Portal:AKB48 ==

Hi there! You've just deleted [[Portal:AKB48]]. Could you undelete it temporarily, and then delete it again with the "delete subpages" box ticked? There are [[Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:AKB48|all these subpages]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 06:24, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
*D-Batched. Thanks for the heads up. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 08:48, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Triscuit]] ==

FYI, I like eating Triscuits. (Not by themselves, generally, but with some soft cheese on top or the like.) :)

— [[User:Fennec|Fennec]]
:I'm going to put that in the article :) "Self-report studies have indicated that at least one person is known to like eating triscuits, preferably with soft cheese, but skeptical scientists remain unconvinced." &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 20:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== A page you deleted ==

According to the page log, you deleted the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BANX_%26_RANX because of "Insufficient citations to satsify WP:NMUSIC" [sic]

I've had a look at the criteria listed in WP:NMUSIC and requested more info from the artist's management.

In fact, they more than meet the criteria for notability. List below.

Please reinstate what you deleted so that I may add the credits ASAP.

Thanks
Sifr4

Signed to Parlophone Records in the UK:
https://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/article/wnwkj4/banx-ranx-producers-interview-montreal-kny-factory-soke

Producers and writers on – Olly Murs Kiss Me – Certified Gold in UK and on the double platinum album Never Been Better
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Me_(Olly_Murs_song)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olly_Murs

Production and co-writing - Nicky Jam ‘No Te Puedo’ / ‘I Can’t Forget You’ which features on the album ‘Fénix’ which was recently nominated for Album of the Year at the Latin Grammy Awards.
https://www.latingrammy.com/en/nominees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Grammy_Award_for_Album_of_the_Year
http://www.flexupcrew.com/banx-ranx-officially-latin-grammy-nominated-producers-for-best-album-of-the-year/

Production and co-writing - Sean Paul ft. Chi Chi Ching - ‘Crick Neck’ which featured on the soundtrack to the Usain Bolt documentary ‘I Am Bolt
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4647900/soundtrack
http://www.music-news.com/news/UK/101924/Usain-Bolt-I-m-really-into-music-I-almost-built-a-studio-at-my-house

Producers of the Official remix of Gorillaz ft. Popcaan ‘Saturn Barz’ & Gorillaz ft. Mavis Staples & Pusher T ‘Let Me Out’
http://www.nme.com/news/music/gorillaz-reveal-four-remixes-humanz-2056383
http://www.factmag.com/2017/04/02/remix-gorillaz-banx-and-ranx-saturn-barz-popcaan/

Produced and co-wrote Fuse ODG Window Seat
http://dailypost.ng/music/2017/06/27/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-banx-ranx/
https://www.naijavibes.com/2017/06/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-by-banx-ranx/
http://www.ghanamotion.com/fuse-odg-window-seat-prod-by-banx-ranx/

[[User:Sifr4|sifr4]] ([[User talk:Sifr4|talk]]) 08:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

:I will restore the page but I will take it to AfD for a full community discussion. Please feel free to post at the deletion discussion once I have it up and running. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 20:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

== WP:JR moves ==

Thanks for helping with these. I'll be working no the corresponding cleanup edits in the those articles, and removing them from the list at [[User:Certes/JrSr/titles#Normal_cases]]. Let me know if you want to be helping with that, too. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 17:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:Ahh sorry honestly probably not it was just something I came across at [[CAT:CSD]] and did a bunch that were there. I'll do more if I see them there though. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 20:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Topolnița Cave==
[[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Topolnița Cave]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''[[Template:Did you know nominations/Topolnița Cave|your nomination's entry]]''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[User:filelakeshoe/kocour|<big></big>]] 12:03, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

== Request for inclusion of [[The Jadavpur Association of International Relations]] in Wikipedia. ==

Dear Madam,
You have recently edited an article about The Jadavpur Association of International Relations. I shall be grateful, if an article about the association is created. There is a large demand for information regarding the association in India. There are plenty of sourses in the web it self which explains the authenticity of the Association and its activities. The formal website of the Association is www.jair.net.in. I shall be grateful if you could kindly publish about The Jadavpur Association of International Relations (JAIR) in the wikipedia.
Thanking you,

With my best regards,

Dr. Imankalyan Lahiri
General Secretary, JAIR

:If there are plenty of sources on the web that provide information on the association, could you please post some of them here for review? At the time I deleted the article, it had been without [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for some time. That blue link is our sourcing policy. Please read it and keep in mind '''our''' criteria for what constitutes a reliable source when providing sources here. Please also read our [[WP:GNG|notability policy]], which requires multiple independent sources in order for us to consider something notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 09:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

==DYK for Topolnița Cave==
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}} [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

== Busan Foreign School ==

I [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Busan Foreign School|already sent it to AfD]]. We don't need two active discussions on the same topic. [[User:Chris troutman|Chris Troutman]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|talk]]) 16:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
*Yeah dude it was obviously a mistake, relax. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 16:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

== California wildfire userbox ==
Thank you for your help resolving this deletion discussion. I'm still learning my way around this organization, and apparently didn't have a good grasp on the userbox etiquette. I've tried to stay away from polarizing issues or anything antagonistic, but it seems there are a few more userbox conventions I missed. I would value your suggestions on where I might find more information. In the meantime I'm inclined to stay in my own userspace. The userboxes I have created don't seem to be used enough to justify cluttering up the userbox lists.

I envy you living in Vancouver. I fell in love with the city when I first visited in 1965. My paternal grandmother was born in Prince Edward Island, but her family moved to Boston when the Canadian wooden shipbuilding industry collapsed in the 1880s. I moved to the Pacific northwest for field engineering work in California's redwood forests, but only during vacations am I lucky enough to travel north of the Columbia River. Of course, we have to balance the wonderful coastal climate and enlightened populace with living on the Cascadia subduction zone. The wildfires have temporarily captured the attention of northern Californians, but the wildfire risk seems insignificant in comparison to the Hayward fault, with an average interval of 140 years between major earthquakes, and the last major quake 150 years ago. In the late 20th century, the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) identified three situations with risk of major disaster for the United States. The first was a hurricane flooding the Mississippi delta city of New Orleans, the second was an airliner hitting a skyscraper, and the third was a major earthquake on the Hayward fault. Aside from the fault running right through the cities on the east side of San Francisco Bay, the shaking would likely disrupt the flow of the major water supplies to San Francisco from the Sierra Nevada, and from northern California to Los Angeles. I feel like a fugitive from the law of averages. I hope the Cascadia subduction zone is less threatening to Vancouver. [[User:Thewellman|Thewellman]] ([[User talk:Thewellman|talk]]) 06:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
:It's no problem! Part of the issue is that this is hardly an "organization", so guidelines and policies and conventions can be all over the place or even unwritten sometimes. Don't worry about it; we see Template-space userboxes at MfD reasonably often and unless they're really nasty they generally get userfied. Further reading about the so-called "userbox wars" can be found here [[:Category:Wikipedia userbox discussions]], and particularly [[Wikipedia:T1 and T2 debates]]. You may wish to bring some popcorn, or possibly a stiff drink, as it can get fairly stupid if you really dig into the talk archives (honestly I wouldn't bother, it's actually painful how much time and energy got devoted to the whole mess).
:Unfortunately despite how nice Vancouver can be, we are also at huge risk from the Cascadia zone. Vancouver Island will take the brunt of it, but mainland Vancouver will also take a wallop if it ever goes off. Here's hoping that's not in my lifetime, but I'm young enough that there's a pretty solid chance I'll still be here if it does. I'll just have to keep enjoying the rain in the meantime :) I still want to visit and explore California sometime, I've been to Disneyland but that's hardly visiting the state proper. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 11:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

== Administrators' newsletter – November 2017 ==

[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (October 2017).
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[[File:Admin mop.PNG|20px|alt=]] '''Administrator changes'''
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-add.svg|20px|alt=added]] [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 36#Resysop and forgotten email?|Longhair]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Megalibrarygirl|Megalibrarygirl]] • [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/806809962#Resysop_request_.28Vanamonde93.29|Vanamonde93]]
:[[File:Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg|20px|alt=removed]] [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 36#User:Allen3|Allen3]] • [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 36#User:Eluchil404|Eluchil404]] • [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arthur Rubin#Desysop|Arthur Rubin]] • [[Special:PermanentLink/806094683#Desysop_request_.28Bencherlite.29|Bencherlite]]

[[File:Octicons-tools.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Technical news'''
:* The Wikimedia Foundation's [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia|Anti-Harassment Tools team]] is creating an [[Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Interaction Timeline|"Interaction Timeline" tool]] that intends to assist administrators in resolving user conduct disputes. Feedback on the concept may be posted on the [[Wikipedia talk:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia/Interaction Timeline|talk page]].
:* A new function is [[Special:Permalink/808224554#New function available for use|now available]] to edit filter managers that will make it easier to look for multiple strings containing spoofed text.

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:* Eligible editors will be invited to submit candidate statements for the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017|2017 Arbitration Committee Elections]] starting on November 12 until November 21. Voting will begin on November 27 and last until December 10.
:* Following a [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017/Electoral Commission|request for comment]], {{no ping|Ritchie333}}, {{no ping|Yunshui}} and {{no ping|Ymblanter}} will serve as the Electoral Commission for the 2017 ArbCom Elections.

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:* The Wikipedia community has recently learned that {{u|Allen3}} (William Allen Peckham) [http://www.tributes.com/obituary/read/William-Allen-Peckham-104323023 passed away] on December 30, 2016, the same day as {{u|JohnCD}}. Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

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== [[Draft:NonStop Da Hitman]] ==

I agree that I could have simply redirected it... however, I didn't think a redirect was appropriate, since it was to a draft. What happens to the redirect if the draft either gets accepted, or gets deleted through the G13 process? [[User:onel5969|'''Onel5969''']] [[User talk:Onel5969|TT me]] 17:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
:If Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman gets promoted and a redirect to main gets left in draftspace (ie Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman --> Nonstop Da Hitman), then the duplicate will also remain as a redirect. If Draft:Nonstop Da Hitman gets G13'd or otherwise deleted, then Draft:NonStop Da Hitman will get deleted as a redirect to a nonexistent page. Same thing for the other one. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 18:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. I'll keep that in mind in the future. [[User:onel5969|'''Onel5969''']] [[User talk:Onel5969|TT me]] 22:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== A pie for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:A very beautiful Nectarine Pie.jpg|120px]]
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For excellent recent contributions. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 01:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
|}

== [[Gary Cassin]] ==
According to the page log you deleted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Cassin - it is because "Unclear that he ever played in a first team match between two fully professional clubs".

Longford Town Football Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longford_Town_F.C.) have since become semi professional, but at the time of playing Gary was fully professional.

Here are some links to prove that Gary played for Longford Town:

http://ltfc.ie/club-history/club-stats/2000s/2005-2/

http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/longford-town/2005/2/

http://www.footballsquads.co.uk/ireland/2004/prem/longford.htm

http://en.eufo.de/index/squad/longford-town/2007

https://upclosed.com/people/gary-cassin/

Please reinstate what you deleted.
Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/93.42.66.197|93.42.66.197]] ([[User talk:93.42.66.197#top|talk]]) 07:53, 4 November 2017 (UTC) 
*Restored and taken to AfD at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Cassin]]. Please feel free to comment. I apologize for the delay in responding to this - I forgot it was there because it was in the middle of my page. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 04:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

== Since you seem to be having a good morning... ==

And are want to pass out thanks and such, mind having a look at {{noping|Đăng Đàn Cung}}, looks like they're fresh off a block and fresh off a string of rev del'd edits, presumably for copyvio, since they just dropped back by, vandalized a user page with essentially "your mother" and immediately started adding content that's copyvio, looks mostly likely to be from [http://www.vietnam-beauty.com/vietnamese-culture/vietnam-traditional-music-and-traditional-instruments/16-vietnam-traditional-music-and-traditional-instrume/167-have-you-ever-listened-to-nhac-tien-chien.html here]. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 14:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:Revdel'd and indef'd. I ''am'' having a fun morning! :) I hope you are as well. Is it wrong that I find it weirdly funny that he used the Vietnamese equivalent of "your mother", and also that there ''is'' a Vietnamese equivalent of "your mother"? &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 14:33, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
::I... was slightly surprised that google translate was so... ''straightforward''. At any rate, I suspect they may not speak enough English in order to be corrected, which is unfortunate, but required nonetheless. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 14:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

== Need help ==

I noticed in IRC that you were looking for some help with your scripts. I'm happy to assist. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
:Hopefully, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Premeditated_Chaos/common.js&diff=809642015&oldid=809604848 this] will make a difference for you. If not, please do let me know. —[[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
::YAAAAAAS you're the king it all works perfectly now thank you!! :D:D:D &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 10:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== CTV (Singapore) listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]]
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect [[CTV (Singapore)]]. Since you had some involvement with the ''CTV (Singapore)'' redirect, you might want to participate in [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 November 14#CTV (Singapore)|the redirect discussion]] if you have not already done so.  [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 13:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017/Candidates]] ==

Is currently missing a certain candidate. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 15:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:Quite notably so. [[User:Drewmutt|Drewmutt]] (^ᴥ^) [[User talk:Drewmutt|talk]] 21:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|TonyBallioni}}, {{u|Drewmutt}}: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2017/Candidates&diff=810855902&oldid=810676455] &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 21:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
:::''[gasp, with excitement]'' good luck! [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]] ([[User talk:Alex Shih|talk]]) 04:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|Alex Shih}}: Thanks, you too! &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 08:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Good work! ==

I think you did the right thing with [[User:Annalisa Ventola/Sources for parapsychology]], and for the right reason. [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 02:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I think it's a fair compromise. I lean a little closer to JzG's views on the actual content, but I also have lived at MfD long enough to know that it's usually more accepted to blank userpages than to delete them. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 08:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Really? ==

Ok, the license states: ''This image will only be used for the Zar je važno da l' se peva ili pjeva? World Tour'', and that article has been deleted. The purpose of the image was '''for that one article only''' and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Zar_je_važno_da_l%27_se_peva_ili_pjeva%3F_World_Tour.png&diff=next&oldid=811424316 you removed the speedy delete]. Why? It can't be used for any other article so it goes beyond "orphan". You'd rather wait 3 more days? [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 21:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:The CSD criteria F3 is clear in that it applies to things with an "improper" license like non-commercial or "Wikipedia use only". It is not applicable to files correctly identified as fair-use. I do owe you a small apology however, I should have F5'd it instead. I was under the mistaken impression that F5 forces a one-week wait, but it actually does allow for immediate deletion if the image came from a deleted article. So I did make a mistake there and I apologize; I'm about to go fix it. &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 22:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Module:Break ==

Articles that are in [[:Category:Pages with script errors]] are listed at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmprop=title&cmlimit=500&cmnamespace=0&format=xml&cmtitle=Category:Pages_with_script_errors]. That link normally lists nothing, or perhaps a couple of recently broken articles. It shows more than 500 articles at the moment because [[Module:Break]] was deleted per [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Module:Break|this MfD]]. A quick remedy would be to undelete the module. To see the problem, search for "Script error" on any of the listed articles. That does not always work, for example [[Luft]] is in the list but is not currently showing an error because the article has not been purged recently. However, the article does have the error. Articles which display the error include [[Frank Zappa]] and [[Science]]. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 21:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
: I second this. Please note that {{tl|break}} template that uses the module is currently being used on [https://tools.wmflabs.org/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&name=Break&namespace=10 about 16 thousand pages] and eventually all these will be broken. The template is protected, so it takes at least a template editor to fix it. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::I have restored it, with apologies. I am somewhat mystified that a module so widely used did not attract more users to comment on it. Is there something that MfD regulars can do to encourage more participation? When the last one came along, I posted to [[WT:LUA]] for input/confirmation, but didn't get any. Is there a better place to alert module users? Should we refer these discussions to TfD instead, as suggested at [[Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_discussion#Should_pages_in_the_.22Module:.22_namespace_be_discussed_at_TfD_instead_of_MfD.3F]]? &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 23:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I guess it would be better for modules and templates to be discussed at the one place where there is a higher chance that people interested in that sort of thing would notice. One issue is that module writers are often busy and focus on what they are doing without much concern for other modules. That's because it can take hours to make a single edit to a module and it is often necessary to avoid distractions. I only noticed the MfD because I was watching the user's talk where the notice was placed. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:52, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:::: Although these problems could have been prevented by just using the [[Module:String]]-based version I suggested in the MfD. [[User:Pppery|{{repeat|p|3}}ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 04:13, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{ec}} Right, I can understand the amount of focus required. I think TfD would definitely attract a more technical-minded crowd who understand the use cases of Modules better. I went and left a comment at that stalled-out discussion, and I'm going to leave a note at [[WT:LUA]]. Anywhere else you can think of I could leave a message to get some eyes? &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 04:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:VPT]] is not quite right but a brief mention there would be desirable because many people interested in templates and modules monitor that page. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 06:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

==Bird Island, Hawaii==

Regarding your close of this AfD, you stated that named geographic features such as islands pass WP:GEOLAND. That doesn't mean we keep an article when there aren't sufficient sources. [[WP:GEOLAND]] is quite clear on this and states

"'''Named natural features''' are often notable, ''provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist''. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The ''number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article''. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, ''information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography''. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river."

Given there clearly isn't enough verifiable content to write an encyclopedia article on this ephemeral sand spit, a redirect was surely indicated by this policy? --[[User:Pontificalibus|Pontificalibus]] ([[User talk:Pontificalibus#top|talk]]) 07:09, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== Chris Percival (Entrepreneur) ==

Could you please restore this article to AfC so it can be improved by other editors. A great deal of work was put into this to present notability and other editors agreed it was very close to being acceptable for Wiki. It is not appropriate for editors to have to re-write something which requires such little improvement to make acceptable. Thank you. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 08:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC) [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 08:24, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard

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== More spam socks ==

*{{checkuser|SteveJohn48}}
*{{checkuser|Ebenezer Ebi}}
*{{checkuser|K Mark Antony}}
*{{checkuser|Niel Oth}}
*{{checkuser|GraceAlexandrae}}
*{{checkuser|Saul Reuben}}

The above accounts got CU blocked for spamming using a VPN. I've seen this abuse pattern before -- one or two spamlinks interspersed with lots of potentially legit edits (I didn't waste my time on detailed checks, I just blanket reverted them). After a semi-automated search through the domains they have added, I make the following observations:

These domains were probably spammed and/or are used in other likely UPE "articles" (view said additions via the COIBot links):
*{{spamlink|healthcaretechoutlook.com}}
*{{spamlink|dispatchtribunal.com}}
*{{spamlink|comunicaffe.com}}
*{{spamlink|healthinvestorasia.com}}
*{{spamlink|solarbuildermag.com}}
*{{spamlink|eurobuildcee.com}} -- 4 links from banned spammer [[User:Manc1234]]
*{{spamlink|martechseries.com}}

The following domains were almost certainly spammed:
*{{spamlink|hydrocarbonengineering.com}}
*{{spamlink|bostonrealestatetimes.com}}
*{{spamlink|virtubytes.com}}
*{{spamlink|bancroftthisweek.com}}
*{{spamlink|erpfocus.com}}
*{{spamlink|bondstreetchelmsford.co.uk}}
*{{spamlink|soleinsider.com}}

Thoughts on what to do with these? [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 08:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{la|Peter Millar (company)}}: "is a premium American lifestyle brand"
*{{userlinks|Zesuz}}

*{{la|Singapore Medical Group}}
*{{la|Beng Teck Liang}}
*{{userlinks|Maria.wesson}}
*{{userlinks|Flowerwild399}}

*{{la|FreshAddress}}
*{{ld|Blueshift}}

A sample of the fake news sites took me to the articles & creators listed above. Definitely looks like PR, needs deeper look. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 14:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Come to think about it, there was at least one more fake news site:
:*{{spamlink|canadajournal.net}}
:The list of filtered (less than 20 live links) domains is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:COIBot/Poke&oldid=808801331 here], starting with hydrocarbonengineering.com. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{checkuser|JeremyJude}}
:This one is more of the same, including some of the same articles, which is what drew my attention here. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 04:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
::Looks like they've found a new webhost. Forgot to mention
::*{{checkuser|Aaron Caleb}}
::got CU blocked by being on the same VPN as [[Special:Permanentlink/810408616#VPN_spamming|these spammers]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 05:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Johns Hopkins Biomedical Engineering ==


* {{la|Johns Hopkins Biomedical Engineering}}
* {{la|Michael I. Miller}}
* {{la|Wojtek Zbijewski}}
* {{la|Jamie Spangler}}
* {{la|Sri Sarma}}
* {{la|Clark Hall (Homewood Campus)}}
* {{userlinks|Mim.cis}}

The editor has acknowledged that he is Miller (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMelcous&type=revision&diff=807746080&oldid=807456621 here] for example) and has in the past contributed positively to articles on which he has expertise. However more recently he has re-written the article on the department he heads and begun creating multiple redirects and articles for his colleagues (some of which have already been deleted as either copyright violations or non-notable). There are thus clear [[WP:COI]] concerns. In a recent comment on my talk page he says [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMelcous&type=revision&diff=808850322&oldid=808825173 "My staff and I spend hours putting that material together"], so I am also asking if this suggests [[WP:PAID]] concerns. [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 21:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
: Thank-you for the consideration and effort. Originally the article had a list of the faculty of the department, this was prepared as part all of the information we have for the strategic review and a new department director. The original history of the department had only been in a series of IEEE Historical interview of department directors.
: Everything on the page is absolutely historically accurate. The category of difficulty was originally called "faculty" not "noteable faculty". The page was modelled after the page of Oxford Department of Computer Science which is one of the most highly ranked departments in the world in computer science. BME department at JHU is highly ranked as well. Under "faculty" all faculty were listed, with no distinction (not called noteable). Rather, for the "noteable category" only National Academy award members were originally listed in page, only the 4-6 faculty were listed with National Academy under noteable.
: Also all of the areas of the discipline that BME faculty engage and teach classes were listed-These were part of the strategic vision taken from a report based on Nature Biomedical Engineering with a citation, as those became the areas that the strategic vision organizes around. The editor trying to make the article better changed the title of faculty to "noteable faculty" and removed all of the names, and as well all of the topics. Is it not possible to continue to have a BME webpage which emulates the Oxford Computer Science page with all faculty listed in a tenure category different from "noteable"?
: Thank-you for your consideration and deliberations. Respectfully [[User:Mim.cis|Mim.cis]] ([[User talk:Mim.cis|talk]]) 23:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' {{u|Mim.cis}} this is not the place to discuss specific edits to the article - that's what the talk page is for. This noticeboard is for discussing the conflict of interest guidelines, that is whether you have understood them and are abiding by them. [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 05:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:::The problem with conflict of interest, is that the person with the COI is not a suitable person to judge what should be included in the article. In my experience with academics here writing about themselves or their projects, about half of them try to say too much, and about half too little. It is appropriate for you to add the information to WP, but according to our current practice, you should write additional articles about faculty in the department using the Article Wizard in Draft space, and suggest additions and changes on the article talk pages. If you wan to write about specific subjects in the field, I think you can do it directly and we're glad to have you, but be sure you do not write them to emphasize JHU people. Incidentally, according to our WP:PROF guidelines, there may be more notable faculty in your department than you think--in addition to members of the National Academies, very highly cited researchers also meet WP:PROF, and I would be surprised if this did not apply to at least all the full professors in your department. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 15:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== SEO and PR on hotels articles ==


* {{userlinks|Blueberry Hill}}
* {{userlinks|Qwacker}}
* {{la|Raffles Hotels & Resorts}}
* {{la|Fairmont Hotels and Resorts}}
* {{la|Swissôtel}}
* {{la|Sofitel}}
* {{la|Royal Orchid Hotels}}
* {{la|Pullman Hotels and Resorts}}
* {{la|Jumeirah (hotel chain)}}
* {{la|Outrigger Hotels & Resorts}}
* {{la|Millennium & Copthorne Hotels}}
* {{la|BD Hotels}}
* {{la|Leading Hotels of the World, Ltd.}}


For more context see
*Fairmont: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 87|COIN archive 87]]
*Sofitel: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 91|COIN archive 91]] and [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 114|Archive 114]]
Fairmont, Raffles and Swisshotel have apparently hired SEO and/or PR firms to buff up their articles here. I'll add some more comments anon. One of the actors is Blueberry Hill, formerly named ''3Q Digital Harte Hanks'' (the name of a SEO/SEM firm). I've added them to the [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Barbequeue|Barbequeue sockpuppet investigation]]. Qwacker isn't yet named in any investigation I know of, and has been active editing today, so I'm inviting him now to comment on all of this.

One of the more nauseating aspects of all this is an apparent retaliatory set of complaints lodged against {{U|Beyond My Ken}} which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=685059498 asserted] that the articles were so well written they were beyond reproach and any attempted cleanup was focused on the declared-paid status of the editors. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 15:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, of course I will comment on this. No I am not some SEO or PR agency. I don't think what I edited was SEO-focused (just refs and 2 external links max). I am not a PR agency looking to ameliorate some brand's page either, I just pick up topics and search them exhaustively because that's the kick I get out of it. I liked editing those hotels' pages because they own or manage crazy buildings, and with my "slight" paranoia on free-masonry, I just dove in. Please do reproach things to my edits, I myself do not believe they are perfect, far (far) from it. I don't mind the mandatory investigation on my profile as I am not related to the other user you mention above, and I do not have other accounts on Wikipedia. I am available to answer more questions if you have any. --[[User:Qwacker|Qwacker]] ([[User talk:Qwacker|talk]]) 16:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::Your article creations and contributions mirror those of someone representing organizations and individuals who want to control their public image. The trade association [[Airlines for Europe]], the Russian company [[Novaport]], the Fairmont/[[Raffles Hotels & Resorts|Raffles]] chain and [[Benjamin Swig|associated people]], [[Régis Schultz]] a European corp executive, [[Sok Kong]] a Cambodian executive. More [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Pritikin&type=revision&diff=805505320&oldid=799671145 exec/philanthropist] stuff, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outrigger_Hotels_%26_Resorts&type=revision&diff=803722916&oldid=793797176 resorts], all [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beam_Suntory&type=revision&diff=808644433&oldid=797262778 this] about a whiskey company, etc. -- you do realize your edits are public here? Nothing to say about that? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes those are pages I edited (among many others). I like to surf through Wk's categories, I discover all those economy-related topics I didn't know. A lot of the pages I edited were almost empty before I found them. I feel like I am enriching Wikipedia on topics I like and for which most users show little interest in. But again, I am not related to the companies or the people of the pages I edit, nor am I a professional writer in any way (you can delete them all, ok by me). --[[User:Qwacker|Qwacker]] ([[User talk:Qwacker|talk]]) 18:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::::So you are saying that it is just serendipity that in your surfing through categories a large number of your edits happen to be to articles about hotels and other travel industry-related (not "economy-related") subjects? I suppose it's also a coincidence that your user name "Qwacker" might be an informal description of a duck, and that the [[WP:DUCK|"duck test"]] is a method of determining whether two accounts are [[WP:SOCKPUPPETS]]? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 09:31, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::It's probably also one of those coincidences that Blueberry Hill stopped editing in January 2016 [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Blueberry+Hill], while you -- although you had 17 edits before January 2016 -- didn't start editing for real until then [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Qwacker]? The coincidences start to accumulate. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 09:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

== Accusations of UPE from Investigator87 ==
*{{userlinks|Investigator87}} Checkuser blocked 2 Nov
*{{userlinks|Bigredlighthouse}} ToU blocked 6 Nov
*{{userlinks|Richardaldinho}} Checkuser blocked 9 Nov
**{{iplinks|86.28.216.250}} (UK)
**{{iplinks|2a01:4c8:c3d:5dbf:b320:3e86:fbc:e8b3}} (UK)
*{{iplinks|39.54.19.7}} (PK) Checkuser blocked 9 Nov
*{{userlinks|Wikieditions}} blocked 9 Nov
*{{userlinks|Gregserrano0}}
*{{userlinks|Gserrano0}}

*{{userlinks|Investigator87}} has been blocked as part of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Liborbital]] and [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Susana Hodge]] but made a series of allegations that other articles, unrelated to those sockfarms were written for pay. This certainly wouldn't be the first time that such allegations would be correct. The allegations made at [[Oliver Isaacs]] regarding {{userlinks|Bigredlighthouse}} certainly seem legitimate to me and I will block them accordingly. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 20:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::I did a quick cleanup at [[Oliver Isaacs]] but I could only take so much. Honestly it would be a good [[WP:TNT]]. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 21:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::It has been proposed by another editor at [[Talk:Oliver Isaacs]] to [[WP:TNT]] the article due to unfixable copyvio issues. Other thoughts are welcome ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 22:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Looks like some sock/meat activity at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Isaacs]]. At least two [[WP:SPA]]s have appeared to register Keep votes, and two others that left comments were blocked by {{u|Berean Hunter}} from a CU investigation. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 14:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
::::SPI open now here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikieditions]] --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 15:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

On the same AFD we have:
*{{userlinks|Semso98}}
*{{la|Boxout.fm}}
*{{la|Hidalgo Serra}}
*{{la|Cambridge Securities}}
**See also [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cambridge Securities]].
*{{la|DJ MoCity}}
*{{la|Milan Jezic von Gesseneck}}
*{{la|Overseas Countries and Territories Association}}
*{{la|Kris Vanderheyden}}
*{{la|OCTA Innovation}}

whose set of oddball promotional article creations reek of UPE. I've already declined an unblock request from this user for a very suspect mistake so I'll hold off blocking for now. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 01:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
*I concur that ({{noping|Richardaldinho}} is likely a paid editor given the history of the articles. {{u|DGG}} had tagged some of them for G5, and I deleted one, but it was raised to me by {{u|Sro23}} they are technically on a 2 week CU block for vote staking, not for UPE, so I've sent one of them to AfD currently. All of these articles meet the signs of UPE: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timelive&oldid=800784462], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_McPhee_(Ret._Special_Forces)&oldid=800801410], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vantage_FX&oldid=808033308] and in terms of article style remind me a bit of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lilianarice/Archive#16_October_2017|this group]], but that could simply be the likely UPE. Regardless, I would support a UPE block based on spamming, but won't do it myself given that I deleted and then restored a G5. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{la|Adda52}} {{tick}} g4 speedy requested
*{{la|Arslan Sadiq}}
*{{la|Carro Singapore}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
*{{la|The Cherry Dolls}}
*{{la|Daniel Stephenson}}
*{{la|The Delta Riggs}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
*{{la|John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces)}} {{tick}} at AfD
*{{la|Livetecs}}
*{{la|Timelive}} {{tick}} at AfD
*{{la|Vantage FX}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
Richardaldinho creations and cleanup includes stuff listed above. I'm a bit confused -- can we g5 these or not? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
::The G5 has been contested by an SPI clerk as he is only blocked now for vote staking. That might change depending on the outcome of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vierouchka]]. We can either wait to see how that SPI plays out, or PROD/AfD when necessary. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:BLG Logistics ==


* {{ld|BLG Logistics}}
* {{userlinks|Atomiccocktail}}


I wrote a draft of an article about BLG Logistics. This is Paid Edit and also a translation from the de.wikipedia.org. The appropriate information/tags I have already attached.

The draft is not promotional in my opinion. It has a detailed section about the company's history. In addition, the company’s present is shown. Figures are, unless otherwise possible, substantiated by the Annual Report or the Financial Report. This information is subject to financial supervision, misrepresentations would be punishable. Sometimes such corporate sources are only a supplement, because there are corresponding press articles, which are also indicated.

About a feedback, what is ok and what should be changed if necessary, I would be glad. [[User:Atomiccocktail|Atomiccocktail]] ([[User talk:Atomiccocktail|talk]]) 10:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:Recommend waiting for AfC feedback and going from there. Please do not edit this article in mainspace. Have you read [[WP:Identifying PR]] to make sure you avoid common issues? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 03:35, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== Jama masjid chalakpur ==


* {{la|Jama masjid chalakpur}}
* {{userlinks|Chalakpur}}

I can see a clear conflict of interest in this user. This user has been persistently creating pages related to himself. For example: this user has created [[Jama masjid chalakpur]] which this user's username. [[User:Pkbwcgs|Pkbwcgs]] ([[User talk:Pkbwcgs|talk]]) 10:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== The Software Toolworks ==


* {{la|The Software Toolworks}}
* {{la|Mindscape}}
* {{userlinks|bilofsky}}

I have, and have declared, a COI for these articles, having been the founder of Toolworks, although not associated with it or any software company since 1994.

Is it permissible for me to make minor changes to this article, such as adding a lead section, references or graphics? What about clarifications that do not substantially change the meaning? I would like to polish it without burdening volunteer editors, but not at the risk of my reputation or the article's. [[User:Bilofsky|Bilofsky]] ([[User talk:Bilofsky|talk]]) 23:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:It is advisable that substantive changes, such as adding text, references, and graphics, should be proposed by you on the relevant article's talk page. Editing the article directly for anything bigger than fixing a typo puts you in a minefield that you really don't want to be in. Thank you for doing this the right way. If you have trouble finding other editors to review things you put on the talk page, talk to me and I'll do it. Cheers, [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 00:15, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sport 360 ==

;Pages
* [[Sport 360]] {{tick}} proposed deletion – Bri
* [[Middle East Golf Awards]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[UAE Rugby Player Awards]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[National School League]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[National School League: Cricket]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[Sports Industry Awards]] {{tick}} (see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports Industry Awards]])

;Editors
* {{userlinks|Events360}}
* {{userlinks|SPIA Asia MMC Sportz}} (indefinitely blocked)

;Websites
* {{linksummarylive|sport360.com}}

All of the articles listed above, which appear to me to be non-notable events and organizations, were created by the account Events360 who appears to be an undisclosed paid editor focusing on subjects closely related to [[Sport 360]]. I have proposed deletion for a couple of the articles, but would like to have others have a look and see if prod or AFD would be appropriat for any of the others. [[User:PCock|Peacock]] ([[User talk:PCock|talk]]) 13:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
*Worse, those articles appear to be single-sourced to sport360.com. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 23:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== One America News Network ‎ ==


* {{la|One America News Network}}
* {{la|AWE (TV network)‎}}
* {{userlinks|Freemediatv}}

Editor is a [[WP:SPA]] in regards to these two articles about companies owned by Herring Networks. They have only used talk pages twice, once several years ago to tell an IP never to edit the AWE article after the IP had reinstated some critical material[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AWE_(TV_network)&diff=prev&oldid=530125170] and once to reply to my question on conflict of interest on their talk page. Their answer their was unsatisfactory. As you can see on their talk page, I'd asked a general question about the text in [[WP:PAID]] that says "If you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for your contributions to Wikipedia, either directly or indirectly, you must disclose who is paying you to edit (your "employer"), who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship." The response, in the section above my question, was "Freemediatv is NOT related to Herring Networks or any of its holdings." I have two problems with this. One is that "Freemediatv" could be the name of a website[http://freemediatv.com.w3snoop.com/] and my question was about the editor using the name. Secondly of course is that the answer doesn't rule out getting some form of compensation. I asked a second time and got no response. The editor has also recently edit-warred suggesting they feel some form of ownership of these articles. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 15:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

:At what point are we justified in adding Template:UPE to articles like this? Aside from the current activity OANN was originally created by [[Special:Contributions/Gs814 | a SPA who ''never'' edited on any topic other than OANN and AWE]]. Likewise there has been [[Special:Contributions/Dgrise86 | at least one SPA]] active at AWE. (I strongly suspect those two accounts are/were operated by the same person.) It's seems clear what's going on. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 15:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
::Noting 24 hour block handed out at [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive354#User:Freemediatv reported by User:Doug Weller (Result: blocked)|3RRN]]. Block has expired. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* I suggest we topic-ban Freemediatv from these articles. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:37, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

==[[Abraham Zangen]]==
Appear to be paid editing. Refs added as an afterthought.

The prior version of this [[Brainsway]] had issues.

[[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
:Seems like we have seen several things here lately driven by [[transcranial magnetic stimulation]] devices and technologies. Yes? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Maximiliano Korstanje ==

* {{la|Maximiliano Korstanje}}

This article was started by a [[WP:SPA]], {{userlinks|Vanrobert99}}. Virtually all substantive edits are by a series of IPs with no history other than this article and adding his books to other articles, e.g. {{iplinks|186.129.165.231}}, {{iplinks|181.1.250.204}}, {{iplinks|190.104.232.132}}. The IPs geolocate to Argentina, where the subject lives.

Most of the references are to his own work, including books published via notorious academic vanity press([https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/264518/PRE_PredatoryPublishersSharing_V1_20170404.pdf?sequence=1]) IGI Global.

I would like some support for at least aggressive cleanup if not outright deletion, please. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 12:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Urban informatics ==

* {{la|Urban informatics}}
* {{userlinks|Sunday9pm}}

Call me a nasty suspicious bastard, but this article is flagged COI and the [[WP:SPA]] user is ''very'' keen to include a book published by notorious vanity press IGI Global -to the point of rapidly reverting removal despite not having any actual activity on Wikipedia (example: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urban_informatics&diff=prev&oldid=808973565] reverting in less than two hours, despite the user's last edit to Wikipedia being weeks before). [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smart_city&diff=prev&oldid=805822210] also adds an IGI published book. I smell a COI, and at the very least a massive dose of [[WP:OWN]]. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Will be indulging in a massive cleanup/CE soon.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kent Tate ==


* {{la|Kent Tate}}
* {{userlinks|Cheri Brown}}

The entire five-year edit history of user account centers only on Kent Tate, suggesting that she is connected to subject in some manner. The article itself is promotional in tone, including an upload of an excessive number of images to Commons. [[User:Beemer69|'''sixty''''''nine''']] [[User talk:Beemer69|'''• whaddya want? •''']] 03:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:The user does seem to be able to use talkpages in the past, and I've politely (non-template) invited comment here. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I constructed this article and have been the primary contributor. I have made efforts to add content that is in compliance. If you can help me to resolve the problems on this page I would be very grateful. [[User:Cheri Brown|Cheri Brown]] ([[User talk:Cheri Brown|talk]]) 17:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Article has been [[WP:DRAFTIFY|draftified]]. [[User:Beemer69|'''sixty''''''nine''']] [[User talk:Beemer69|'''• whaddya want? •''']] 01:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kuo-Chen Chou ==

* {{on afd|Kuo-Chen Chou}}
May be salvageable, but this looks like autobiography to me. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:10, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Reedsy]] created by founder ==


* {{la|Reedsy}}
* {{userlinks|Neguev}}

Creator has added a link to his userpage which self-identifies as founder of the firm.
I think he best thing to do is draftify [[Reedsy]] and let it go through AfC. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Re|Bri}}:-{{Done}} [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::So this was just "re-floated" by [[User:Tomwsulcer]] bypassing AFC and the article history wiped clean, both of which I find problematic. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 15:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
:::The subject [[Reedsy]] is clearly notable. I'm not affiliated with Reedsy in any way so there's no [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. I've been revamping [[Self publishing]] and saw the Reedsy link light up red, and scratched my head. That an earlier version had a COI problem is not relevant here. This is a rewritten article with appropriate sourcing and fluff removed.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 16:20, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
::::From a quick glance, I think ''clearly notable'' is a bit of an exaggeration here. I'd give it a 50/50 shot at AfD, at best, maybe 60/40 in favour of deletion. {{u|Bri}}, I haven't run it through duplication detector yet, but I don't see a clear copyright problem in terms of prose. It appears to be different, and wouldn't necessarily require attribution if it was written independently. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Also, per above, I went ahead and did a BEFORE search and took it to AfD to see what the community thinks. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reedsy]]. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Methinks you're clearly wasting everybody's time here at Wikipedia. It's clearly notable.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 17:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
{{Ping|Tomwsulcer}} When you created the article did you not include in the edit summary that it was "copyedited" and preserved references from the old version? This implies that you used the old version for reference does it not? You '''must''' attribute such material. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:How is this relevant to the discussion? This noticeboard is '''Conflict of interest''' noticeboard. Regarding [[Reedsy]], there's '''no''' conflict of interest at present. I floated the Reedsy article and I have no affiliation with Reedsy. You're wasting people's time here at Wikipedia.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 02:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::If the basis was the article created by a connected contributor, then it is relevant. Copyright is also usually very relevant on this noticeboard because there are questions of ownership of the material and reuse of text that might not be compatibly licensed. If you copied ''any'' text or remixed it in anyway from the previous article, you ''must'' attribute. If you did, you can place a note here and I'll make the edit summary attribution in a way that the draft can be deleted since there is a mainspace article. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::There are no copyright issues with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reedsy&oldid=811087645 Reedsy]. I wrote it.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 02:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Thats not what was being asked: we know you wrote it in its current form. Did you use any or part of the text of the previous version/draft as the basis for the article and rework it? As Bri has pointed out, your edit summary suggests you did. If you did, there ''is'' currently a copyright issue until we attribute. Attribution is easy, and I can do it in less than a minute in most cases, and less than two when it is more complicated. We do need to make attribution if what the edit summary suggests is true, however. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hungarians in the United Kingdom ==


* {{la|Hungarians in the United Kingdom}}
* {{userlinks|Gabor Bartos}}

User:Gabor Bartos has added himself as a "Famous Hungarian immigrants and Britons of Hungarian origin". I've had some email correspondence with him, where he admits he is the man concerned, but he is quite determined to have himself mentioned. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

:He'll have to understand that people don't get mentioned on Wikipedia simply because they want it. If he's notable enough to meet [[WP:NPOL]], then someone not connected to him can write an article. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 18:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== DJ MoCity and related projects ==


* {{la|DJ MoCity}}
* {{la|Reggae Rajahs}}
* {{la|Boxout.fm}}
* {{userlinks|username}}

Requesting second opinion/more eyes on this set of related articles. I think the artist has notability (hard to tease out from the incestuous media relationships) but maybe one or more redirects are in order? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
*Looking:)[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[User:ENKWMS]] ==


* {{pagelinks|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amadeus (record producer)}}
* {{userlinks|ENKWMS}}
This is a very infrequent editor, who began editing in 2013. On his talk page he describes himself as a music enthusiast.

In 2014, ENKWMS left the following message [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ChocoLantern88&oldid=613495454 here] on an editor's talk page: "I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I was asked to make edits on this article by representatives of this person. The information that I am submitting is factual and significant."

This editor created two draft articles, the first about a band called "Live Footage" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Live_Footage_(Band)&action=edit&redlink=1]) in 2013/2014, and the second about the musician Hill Kourkoutis ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hill_Kourkoutis&action=edit&redlink=1]), on July 6, 2016. Interestingly, [[Live Footage (band)]] was successfully created on July 19, 2014, and [[Hill Kourkoutis]] was successfully created on July 5, 2016 by a single-purpose editor.

The concern about paid editing began following [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amadeus (record producer)]]. ENKWMS began leaving messages on user talk pages--in one instance leaving his personal email address--inquiring about how to restore the deleted Amadeus article (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolmxl5&diff=prev&oldid=809858959][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beemer69&diff=prev&oldid=809872550][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Bushranger&diff=prev&oldid=809956024][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magnolia677&diff=prev&oldid=809956574]). A caution about COI/paid editing was left for this editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ENKWMS&diff=810014825&oldid=699834265 here] on Nov. 12, 2017. This editor denied any COI/paid editing [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ENKWMS&diff=810306609&oldid=810014825 here]. Thank you. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 11:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Nimir ==


* {{la|Nimir}}
* {{userlinks|Xynadyne}}

He has admitted to his closeness to the production team of this film, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=810507140&oldid=810498385&title=User_talk:Kailash29792 through this edit]. [[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|(talk)]] 03:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:Username is the name of their website designer/host; automatic [[WP:CORPNAME]] block. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 16:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Proware ==


* {{la|Proware Technology Corporation}}
* {{la|Proware Epica (RAID series)}}
* {{userlinks|Proware}}
* {{userlinks|Prowaretech}}

Observe the ancient paid editor in its natural habitat. Keep quiet, it frightens easily. This is paid editing from back in 2006 and could use a look. I doubt it meets notability. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|Rob13]][[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]] 15:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Wessex Institute of Technology ==

* {{la|Wessex Institute of Technology}}
* {{userlinks|Sibbotson}}
* {{userlinks|Alexhamid}}
Bluntly, I think this article is a scam. I am unable to trace any good evidence that this is an actual degree-granting institution, it's "WIT Press" is listed by Beall as predatory, its conferences flag up hundreds of disparaging comments on the interwebs, and virtually the entire article is the wok of two [[WP:SPA]]s. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 01:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

:The article is wondrous, including three (3) pictures of the building and such essential academic facts as "local commoners have the right to graze their ponies" in the adjacent national park. I cut out the travel brochure stuff and a bunch of other badly sourced or unnecessary material. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 01:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

::"Wessex"? [[Thomas Hardy's Wessex|Sounds fictional]]. :-) [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 04:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== KDS4444 ==


* <s>{{la|Tom Paradise}}</s>
* {{la|DynaRig}}
* {{la|Conso International Corporation}}
* {{userlinks|KDS4444}}

KDS4444 has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=810807064&oldid=810806269 community banned] for leveraging OTRS access into solicitation of paid editing. Concerns were brought up during that discussion that undeclared paid editing may have occurred. We probably should have some due diligence in checking over at least his most recent contributions. I've listed three creations just to kick off a discussion. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I didn't see any evidence of undisclosed paid editing. Is there any evidence that I missed? KDS444 was very open about the articles they had been paid to edit. Of the list above, they specifically denied being paid to edit the now deleted [[Conso International Corporation]] article, and acknowledged payment for [[Tom Paradise]]. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 02:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::You are right, Paradise was declared. I have not done a significant look yet and just came across another editor's concern at AN. The specific comment was "how certain are you that all paid edits have been declared? I strongly suspect they have not." BTW I was not involved with the KDS matter at that time, and did not contribute there. So this is kind of fresh for me and unresearched. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::No problem. I haven't seen any evidence to support the claim that there was undisclosed paid editing going on, and I'm left thinking that if there was KDS4444 would have declared it as they declared other articles which would not have otherwise been identified. Part of the problem is that we can never be sure that an article wasn't paid for, but similarly if there isn't anything to go by - such as a job ad, articles created by users who should not have had that much skill on their first edits, or self disclosure - it is almost impossible to tell if it is the case. Thus I tend to fall back on simply general principles - if it is overly promotional or of questionable notability, we should address the articles under those terms, but otherwise just go with what works best for the project. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 03:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Maybe. I haven't wrapped my head around this yet, it is such an egregious abuse of a position of trust. Which is why I felt it must be brought up at the one noticeboard created explicitly for such abuses. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 03:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::The actions on OTRS were abysmal. My difficulty here is that there no evidence of undisclosed paid editing, and no method of determining if it did occur. So I'm not sure of how this can proceed. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 04:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Heads-up: I'm planning to write up this case and probably the Mister Wiki case as a news item for upcoming ''Signpost''. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 17:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''--I will agree with Bilby on the point that KDS444 did not seem to have indulged in any UPE.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 16:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* comment. I think KDS4444 had pretty low standards for N and for sourcing anyway, which makes it very hard to distinguish his normal editing from paid editing. I think this is part of what made it so confusing for him that his paid edits were not received so well. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Mister Wiki ==

{{discussion top|This has largely manifested in the ArbCom case at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Mister Wiki]].And, I think we're {{green|done}} over here, at least for now.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 05:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)}}
A newish paid editing company has been created called Mister Wiki ([https://www.misterwiki.com/ website]). This company [https://www.misterwiki.com/faq/ says] that they honor the disclosure policy: "{{tq|All of Mister Wiki’s jobs are fully transparent and disclosed on Wikipedia, in accordance with their [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure paid editing guideline].}}" (too bad they call it a guideline, but whatever)

And indeed, the following two editors have disclosed editing for the company per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Mister+Wiki%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&searchToken=1pyika9px15aeqam07fbfpl3h this search]:
* {{Userlinks|Salvidrim! (paid)}}
* {{Userlinks|Soetermans}}
* {{Userlinks|WolvesS}} ('''NOTE''' this person's employer is not clear. Was added subsequently to this being filed by TonyBallioni in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=next&oldid=811257744 this diff]. Worked on Studio71 and executive articles for sure)

They have directly edited the following articles:
* on behalf of the Shahidis; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&type=revision&diff=808998205&oldid=808763183 diff] {{la|Justin Bieber}}
* created: {{la|John Shahidi}}
* created: {{la|Sam Shahidi}}
* created: {{la|SnackNation}}
* {{la|Datari Turner}}
:: rejected AfC submisssion was fixed up by Soetermans with disclosure and moved to mainspace by Salvidrim (Salvidrim [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJytdog&type=revision&diff=811176648&oldid=811176207 said] that this was prior to his being involved with them.)
* {{la|Dan Weinstein (business executive)}} -- at AfD [[WP:Articles for deletion/Dan Weinstein (business executive)|here]]
:: task was getting tags removed per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FDan_Weinstein_%28business_executive%29&type=revision&diff=811137639&oldid=811119078 this diff]. Also per that diff, the strategy was to put through AfC. Was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_%28business_executive%29&type=revision&diff=809903636&oldid=808293822 draftified] by Salvidrim with disclosure, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=809903723 accepted at AfC] by Soetermans <s>(no disclosure, have an inquiry pending)</s> (per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this], not for pay, but via off-WP discussion among wiki-friends)
* {{la|Reza Izad}} -- at AfD [[WP:Articles for deletion/Reza Izad|here]]
:: same deal as above, task was getting tags removed per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FReza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811137637&oldid=811118319 this diff]. Also per that diff, the strategy was to put through AfC. Was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=809903726&oldid=808293802 draftified] by Salvidrim with disclosure, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=809955148 accepted at AfC] by Soetermans. <s>(no disclosure, have an inquiry pending)</s> (per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this], not for pay, but via off-WP discussion among wiki-friends)
* {{la|Studio71}}
:: just some minor tweaks, directly made.

Am posting here so folks can review the created articles especially, as they have not undergone prior peer review.

Have been having a long discussion with Salvidrim at my TP at [[User_talk:Jytdog#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay]]. Inquiry at Soetermans' TP at [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves]]. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 04:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:Rgd [[:File:Datari Turner studio.jpg]] uploaded by Soetermans, a) why is it hosted on enwp not Commons and b) where is the OTRS permission from the copyright holder? [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 04:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Tagged as missing permission. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 05:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::Hi everyone, I've tried to explain the AfC situation on [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves|my talk page]]. I am truly sorry for that mess. For the other articles, I'm just going to take a step back and let the community decide if they're okay. Further more, I've made edits to [[Arne & Carlos]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arne_%26_Carlos&type=revision&diff=811112286&oldid=765707762 diff]), but I haven't received payment yet, which why I haven't added the disclaimer just yet. There is also an article in [[User:Soetermans/sandbox|my sandbox]] on [[Overwerk]], an article that has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overwerk&action=edit&redlink=1 deleted repeatedly]. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I've dediced to not do any paid editing until this is resolved (I might still receive a fee for Arne & Carlos, when I do, I'll update my user page accordingly). I've been a longtime member of Wikipedia and do not want to risk damaging my reputation and credibility any further. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 10:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

:Oh dear. This isn't going well so far. The swapping of "favours" between Salvidrim and Soetermans is particularly concerning and they are clearly conflicted even if they are not specifically paid for the edits. I'm at a loss to think how such experienced users thought that this would be acceptable. I also find [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&diff=808998166&oldid=808763183 this edit] to [[Justin Bieber]] problematic (better seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&type=revision&diff=811239201&oldid=810868497 this diff]) as it placed undue weight on the topic Soetermans was being paid to write about into a highly trafficked article - a classic example of spamming. I need to look in more detail, but the Shahidi brothers don't appear to be notable independent of their company. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 10:55, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::I have no excuse. When {{re|Salvidrim!|p=}} asked me I had my concerns (see [https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23722336_10155550101956117_1185410769138560226_n.jpg?oh=fcfac2b5c1f73de7a7f980bba54767d4&oe=5A9FC4CB this screenshot]) from our Facebook messenger conversation). I thought that the articles were notable enough and that it would be okay. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 11:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{re|TonyBallioni|p=}}, that image was used by {{re|Salvidrim!|p=}} on [[User_talk:Jytdog#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay|Jytdog's talk page]] with my permission. I assumed it would be okay to use it here as well. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 13:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I've restored it since both parties have confirmed on-wiki that they are fine with the release. That was not immediately clear from your post. Sorry for any confusion. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 13:55, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::No problem, I should've said so right away. Thanks for restoring the link to the image. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 13:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Nice to see how pally and keen you are to "help each other out". I'm seriously concerned about this, and will be investigating these edits -- [[User:There'sNoTime|There'sNoTime]] ([[User talk:There'sNoTime|to explain]]) 13:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

*I'd be much less concerned about the Salvidrim/Soetermans interactions if Salvidrim were not an admin, and had he not recently run for RfB as well. It's possible that this should be brought up to the wider community. It's also possible that he should stop reviewing AfCs, and also stop NPP (if he is involved with that). Soetermans should stop doing either of those as well. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 11:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Articles_for_creation%2FParticipants&type=revision&diff=811167587&oldid=810708744 been removed] from AfC. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 11:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::As far as I am aware, mere removal from a list of participants doesn't stop you or anyone from reviewing AfCs or accepting drafts or moving drafts to mainspace. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 12:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Oh right. Well, whatever the outcome of this discussion might be, I won't come near AfC for the time being. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 12:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Removal from the list means you can't use the AfC helper script, which makes accepts pretty annoying to do (though any autoconfirmed user can of course move drafts to mainspace.) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talkó tuó mió]]) 16:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*I've added {{u|WolvesS}} to the list of users here since they also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:WolvesS&oldid=809896210 declared] on these articles, and were the author of Dan Weinstein, one of the articles that was accepted by Soetermans. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW, WolvesS authored both Reza Izad and Dan Weinstein (and wrote part of Studio71) before MisterWiki's involvement, directly on the behalf of Studio71 -- originally without declaration but after I pressed them by e-mail they've added the declaration you linked to. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 14:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, it does further my suspicions at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CMCreator900]] that he is part of an undeclared paid editing ring, yes. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:26, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*{{u|Jytdog}}: your update with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this diff] raises more questions than answers for me. I get how contractor relationships vs. employment relationships work, but I have very serious concerns about two editors working for the same firm (though technically unpaid for the specific edits) assisting each other and "returning the favour" to publish their articles from draft space. The claim that an administrator solicited another paid editor from the same firm to "return a favour" and AfC approve articles that he had been paid to contribute to is in my opinion just as troubling as the recent OTRS drama if not more so.{{pb}}This is stretching the limits of the TOU in my opinion and show why we need a clearer local policy on these things. At the very least, I think that admission is conduct unbecoming of an administrator and personally, I think {{u|Salvidrim!}} should resign the sysop bit. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::When I brought the two drafts up to Soetermans we both expressed concerns about the appearance of collusion but both ended up thinking that because the drafts looked fine and we were acting in good faith, everything would turn out okay. This was an error of judgement: careless, naive optimism that good-faith justifies all. Yes, I fucked up by allowing a fellow paid editor to review the AfC drafts that another paid editor had created and which I was paid to clean up. No, an editor being paid to accept a draft (or accepting the draft of a fellow editor paid by the same outfit even if they are not paid themselves) is not okay and constitutes a perversion of the AfC process, whether the intent was truly to deceive and bypass policy or not -- as Jytdog has said, what matters is appearance, and there is no way that what transpired here can appear proper or rule-abiding. No, I don't think an admission of fucking up by thinking everything was fine when we shouldn't have is grounds for beheading. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 16:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::This is probably the ''most'' tense policy area of the community right now. We just site banned an OTRS agent for soliciting payments through that system, and there is currently a village pump discussion on people with advanced permissions not using their rights, but using their position within the community to evade scrutiny.{{pb}}You as a sysop actively asked an AfC reviewer to move an article you had been paid to edit out of draft space for you because you thought {{tq|it's just kinda sad to leave the client waiting for potentially weeks}} and stated that {{tq|the whole point of moving them back to draftspace was so that they could be afc-okayed and mainspaced again without the npov tags without having to go through WP:COIN}}. You also said before this that it {{tq|feels like if someone was was looking for another reason to complain about paid editing, we'd be handing them one}} (Note: from FB messenger conversation both parties have agreed to disclose on-wiki).{{pb}}You ''knew'' this would be looked down on by the community, and you did it anyway. From a policy perspective you didn't use any of your rights, sure, but you did ask an AfC reviewer to use their position to review an article that you had edited for pay from the same firm that they were also being paid to edit Wikipedia from. Is that violating any of the written rules? Maybe, if you want the song and verse, {{u|Doc James}} gives an interpretation below. Regardless, I think what is clear is that you clearly broke the spirit of the rules of the single most controversial subject on the English Wikipedia currently with the explicit intent of benefiting a client, knew it would be controversial, and did it anyway. That is a breach of the trust we place in administrators and is why I think you should resign as a sysop. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 17:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{tq|you did ask an AfC reviewer to use their position to review an article}} Soetermans reviewed those two drafts literally minutes after receiving the AfC rights. So it's seems like Soetermans got the rights to circumvent the process for Salvidrim. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talkó tuó mió]]) 17:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*Paid editing does not JUST require the prior exchange of money for concerns to have occured. Our TOU states "[https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/en any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation]"
*Thus one should be disclosing before the actual exchange of money. The disclosure should occur as soon as any expectation of compensation is present.
*Doing something to help a partner make money with the expectation that they will help you make money in the same way is "compensation". This is the problem with paid editing and thus Sinclair states correctly "[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!]"
*I support [[User:TonyBallioni]] request for Salvidrim! turning in the sysop bit. These sorts of activities have a significant potential to harm our shared brand. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* I concur with TonyBallioni and Doc James. Nothing prsonal, but in my view paid editing and the sysop bit are mutually incompatible. Paid editing itself is a bone of contention, with a sizeable proportion of the Wikipedia community opposed to it entirely and for excellent reasons, I think going back to RfA with an open admission of editing for pay would be the only way to do this ethically. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 17:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Every on-wiki action I took against expectation of compensation has been properly disclosed on [[User:Salvidrim! (paid)]]. Datari Turner predates any involvement with paid editing or any expectation of compensation or return-of-favours. However in the spirit of transparency if you'd rather I add it to the list nevertheless, I don't have any objections. I maintain that I don't think an admission of fucking up by thinking everything was fine when we shouldn't have is grounds for lynching but I understand that anti-paid-editing advocates might see this as further confirmation that paid-editing is a monster to be vanquished. If there ever is consensus that admins cannot also be paid editors no matter how much separation there is between the two roles, then of course I shall abide by that policy (and judging by VPP, it may well be heading that way). In the meantime, I won't already pre-decide which role I will hold on to (although if I had a gun to my head and 30 seconds to decide I'd cease paid editing and continue as an admin), should it become disallowed to do both. FWIW, I have been receiving nothing but praise for my admin actions as of late so I don't think there is any sentiment amongst the community that I am not fulfilling these duties adequately, all concerns stem solely from the dual roles and that's why I am keenly following the ongoing VPP discussion. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 17:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Salvidrim, starting to use the language of "lynching" and martyrdom here is not helpful to you, and is going very much down the wrong path. (this is exactly the path KDS4444 chose, and it led him to do things that led to an indefinite block [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=811286057#Paid_editor.2C_resolutely_trying_to_get_paid.2C_including_using_OTRS_to_solicit_people_looking_for_help at AN]). Please be ''resilient'', like we expect of admins, and ''hear'' the problem. You did not understand your own COI nor that of Soetermans, and you used bad judgement and based on that bad judgement you did bad things. You didn't respect your own COI - the ''structure of the situation'' - nor the processes that the community has put in place to manage COI. (As Guy says, it is a ''not personal'' -- it is structural) You thought you were above all that, and you did backroom dealings between the two of you on a process with advanced privileges, instead of doing things correctly.
:::We ''trust'' admins to have good judgement - that is the essence of granting the bit and what gets hashed over at every RfA. An admin who believes they are "above it all" is dangerous for anything, but especially on paid editing where there is the active external interest affecting judgement.
:::By putting yourself above it all -- above the COI management process -- you left yourself, and your office, and AfC, naked and exposed to that external interest, and you made corrupt decisions. The COI management process protects ''everyone'', including you. But you have to submit to it.. to come into it. Down here with the community. Because you are in a structure where we trust you, and you are putting yourself in a position of conflict of interest by choosing to edit for pay, you in particular need to be so, so clear that you will allow that COI to be fully managed and will be ''rigorous'' about that. While I believe that you understand the ... way what you did ''looks'', what I (and i think everybody here) is looking for, is that sense that you are aware that COI can and has affected even you. The way you keep bringing up doing things in "good faith" is showing me, at least, that you don't ''see'' that your good faith is maybe not so "good" when you have a COI (when you have a client you want to help). This is the actual heart of the matter. Please understand that. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Everything you have just said, I fully agree with. I underestimated the COI by thinking naively that because nobody seemed to be intentionally being nefarious, everything would turn out fine -- perhaps you would call that self-delusion or magic thinking. I've disappointed many people for, in the end, a mere handful of bucks, and it really makes me sad and angry at myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where I am facing the opprobrium of fellow community members whom I hold in high regard. I am ashamed that I thought myself a paragon of integrity and believed myself "stronger" than any COI and fully able to manage it rigorously and without flaw, which evidently was not the case, since I ended up being proven human after all. I thought I was better than this, but evidently I underestimated the difficulty of the challenge. I apologize unreservedly for the disappointment. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:26, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::This is the self-insight i was hoping to hear. Yes you are a human :) Thank you so much. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: Le sigh. I am afraid you missed the point. The declarations you made would be sufficient for the normal grudging acceptance of paid editing, but that was not the point. This is about whether admins should engage in paid editing. I think it is unlikely that the community would be in favour, but the only ethical and honourable way to find out is to resign the bit and run another RfA on the basis of full disclosure of paid status. I urge you to do that. It is the decent thing. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 18:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::There certainly is emerging consensus on VPP against the use of permissions in the expectation of payment, but what is much less clear cut is about admins doing paid editing ''at all'', let's say without the use of tools. This is a general concern that is larger than just my own case and the ongoing RfC seems to be the appropriate venue for a "[[WP:Paid editing policy]]" to be hashed out. "Whether admins can engage in paid editing" is a question both you and I would much like to see the community agree on, sooner than later, for everyone's sake. I'm not saying "no" and/or "yes" to a new RfA and/or to resigning adminship to continue paid editing and/or to ceasing paid editing to continue admin duties and/or to retiring altogether ''right at this minute'' because I don't like making hasty, emotion-driven decisions in the middle of turmoil, but I'm not closing the door definitively on any option. And neither am I dismissing or disregarding your feedback. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::I respect that re: time, but the concerns aren't just that you were paid to edit. It's that you intentionally went around our guidelines in a way that seems aimed to look like it's in line with our norms here but actually might constitute paid advocacy meatpuppetry. That is a major concern. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 18:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yes, a major fuckup. There's been worse, of course, but still. A major fuckup. Failing to realize what I saw as good-faithed collaboration amongst friends basically amounted to paid editing meatpuppetry. No avoiding that. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:08, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
{{ping|Salvidrim!}} - you should also withdraw your reviewer status from AfC. To both Salvidrim and {{ping|Soetermans}} full transparency would go a long way toward earning forgiveness. In other words, either of both of you could write up a couple of pages on what it is like to work for a paid editing firm? how you made contact? how assignments were made, how do you get paid? where you got your sources for the articles? were new sources created - i.e. published in "RS" just so they could be included? Get down to the nitty-gritty details and we'll all learn something.

As far as a "WP:Paid editing policy", I'll suggest anybody who wants to start a discussion. It might be added to [[WP:Paid editing disclosure]] or simply refer to it. The obvious things to include are:
*the bright line rule (no editing by paid editors in article space), which is a long time part of [[WP:COI]] - but almost everybody - including admins - seems to think they can ignore just because it is "just a guideline".
*no paid use of advanced tools
*(feel free to add some more here - but the simpler the better in order to get it passed)

[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 19:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Smallbones]] Soetermans has been beautiful after all this emerged. Very upfront and completely understands what they did wrong. Please go read their TP. And Primefac withdrew the AfC privilege from Soutermans arlready -- that is done. In my view the only remaining issues are those around Salvidrim and progress on that is happening all above and below... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::Until English Wikipedia adopts an [[:meta:Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies|Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies]] (here are [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#Changing this policy|specific directions on how to do that]]), the currently enforced policy is [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure]], which specifically says that of the details surrounding the paid editing, it is only [[meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure|required is that you disclose your employer, client, and affiliation]]. If EnWiki ends up adopting a stricter policy, then so be it. I don't intend on writing essays on the topic. However, some "nitty-gritty" details: contact was via e-mail & facebook, payments through paypal, we're talking amounts around 10$ to 20$, and lastly I can't speak about "where you get your sources" since at this time I haven't actually edited any article content against payment. Your assessment that "no mainspace paid editing is a brightline rule" also seems to be inaccurate, as the current "strongly discouraged" wording versus your perceived "clearly disallowed" spirit has been the subject of countless debates in the past that haven't resulted in "disallowing mainspace paid edits altogether" (I could be wrong on this, please point out the consensus if there is one I haven't found). [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Salvidrim!]], I understand that this is a position you have held for a long time perhaps, but please step back from that for a minute and think about it, especially in light of this shitstorm and what you wrote above about being human and even you being affected by COI and about rigorously following the policies '''and guidelines''' around your paid editing work. The COI guideline is very clear that people with a COI are '''very strongly discouraged''' from editing directly, and should put edits through prior review on the talk page of existing articles or through AfC for new articles. What you are going through, is exactly why. This is an essential part of COI management in WP and protects ''everyone''. Disclosure + prior review in light of the disclosure. It is also the standard in academic publishing. Please reconsider your position on this. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Oh, hey, sorry if I wasn't clear enough above -- I would actually support a proposal to change the policy from "strongly discourage mainspace paid edits" to "definitively disallow mainspace paid edits", ''especially'' in light if the experience I went through which has somewhat opened my eyes to the fact that even the bestest of intentions doesn't absolve one from having to carefully manage COI. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 20:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::It is lived policy for much of the community. Yes we need to get it that condensed into writing. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*{{ec}} [https://www.misterwiki.com/our-services Their website] explicitly begins {{tq|With 10+ years of experience on Wikipedia}}. Assuming they're not lying about that figure, I can only see three possibilities; either:
*#Despite their "full disclosure" claim, whoever's behind this is in fact an experienced Wikipedia editor who ''isn't'' disclosing their edits;
*#One of the three paid editors [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] has named here as admitting connections to this site is actually operating the site, and hasn't disclosed that fact;
*#This is a reboot of an earlier (and likely banned) paid-editing farm, given a fresh coat of paint.
:None of these alternatives is very pleasant, and unless I've missed something extremely obvious there's something extremely dubious going on here. While I opposed the change to the Terms of Use and have long been firmly in the "better to allow it and have it out in the open" camp, I recognize that the community disagree with me. I can't see any permutation of possibilities here in which someone, somewhere, isn't acting in extreme bad faith; if the rest of us are expected to comply with policies regardless of whether we personally agree with them, this particular gang should be expected to as well. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 19:21, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::I'm fairly sure what he touts as "10+ years of experience" is just a way to say "we work with editors who have 10+ years of experience" but I agree that choice of words is very poor. For having personally interacted with the guy behind MisterWiki, I can tell you he's definitely not a Wikipedia editor but is a very much identified young guy working PR in the music industry (and others). I wouldn't have agreed to work with unknown or unidentified parties. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

===Timeline===

The actual timeline goes like this.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=804962761&oldid=804962659 12 October], other editor submits Datari article (probably paid, we haven’t talked about this person)
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&diff=next&oldid=804962761 12 October], submission declined
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=805588998&oldid=805009246 16 October] Soetermans starts working on the Datari article
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&diff=prev&oldid=806105106 19 October], Soetermans does the AfC “submit”

(based on what Salvidrim wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=next&oldid=811213901 here] and what Soetermans wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 here], Soetermans didn't want the client to have to wait so asked Salvidrim offline to review -- the quote from Soetermans was "{{tq|I asked Salvidrim asked personally to okay the draft version of Datari Turner on October 20th so Turner, Mister Wiki and I didn't have to wait for a month for the article to be up again.}}”. But look at the actual timeline above...

* 3:24 October 20 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Soetermans&type=revision&diff=806163267&oldid=806114239 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Soetermans&diff=next&oldid=806163267 diff] Salvidrim accidentally (he [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811200466 says]) reverted and then self-reverted the disclosure of paid editing on Soetermans userpage.
::Meant to hit thanks, accidentally hit Rollback. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=806163618&oldid=806144938 3:27 October 20] Salvidrim accepts the AfC submission - note that there was no PAID disclosure on the article, and Salvidrim placed at the TP in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=806163669&oldid=806163627 this diff]

*Note that Salvidrim says [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811176648 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811178413 here] that he had been in no contact with Mister Wiki directly before then.
::(and also on {{noping|Salvidrim! (paid)}} now [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))

* Nov 1 Salvidrim created the Savidrim! (paid) account and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Salvidrim!_(paid) granted] pending changes reviewer, rollbacker, page mover and confirmed user rights to his new paid account with edit note {{tq|confirming my legit alt (intentionally not giving autopatrol since that has been controversial in the past)}} (TonyBallioni noted this)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&oldid=808254043 1 Nov] Salvidrim disclosed that he was starting to work for Mister Wiki on Studio71 note — [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Misterwiki_transparent.png 6 Nov] Salvidrim uploads the Mister Wiki logo to WP and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&diff=next&oldid=808382425 adds] the branding to his disclosure page. he is all in, apparently.
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=Salvidrim%21+%28paid%29&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 Nov 1] Salvidim (paid) uses the page mover right to move client's page to preferred branding. (noted by TonyBallioni)

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&oldid=807095093 21:36 25 Oct] Izad (Studio71 executive) article created by WolvesS
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&oldid=807095035 21:36 25 Oct] Weinstein (Studio71 executive) article created by WolvesS
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=807203774 2 Nov] Weinstain tagged by JJMC89 for N
::(and NPOV [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=807296770 2 Nov] Izad article tagged by JJMC89 for N
::(and NPOV [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&diff=prev&oldid=809904030 12 Nov] Salvidrim discloses the two executives articles at his userpage
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=prev&oldid=809903636 12 Nov] Salvidrim draftifies Weinstein article using page mover right
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=prev&oldid=809903726 12 Nov] Salvidrim drafties Izad article using page mover right

(this is apparently when the complaining about waiting happens on the facebook chat disclosed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=next&oldid=811213901 here])

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=prev&oldid=810455217 10:19 15 Nov] Soetermans signs up for AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=next&oldid=810455217 14:21 15 Nov] Primefac accepts Sotermans at AfC (note, later removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=next&oldid=810684485 here])
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=810479376&oldid=809903723 14:31 15 Nov] Soetermans accepts the Weinstein article with no changes
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=809955148 14:34 15 Nov] Soetermans accepts the Izad article with no changes
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=810762902&oldid=810510485 17 Nov] JJMC89 tags Weinstein for N
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=810762778&oldid=810510498 17 Nov] JJMC89 tags Izad for N

* The two bullets below are among the two that are most upsetting to me. Note this diligence on behalf of the client to get the tags removed, but zero diligence to protect AfC and indeed citing the corrupt AfC. And putting pressure on an independent editor who is looking out for the project. Upsetting.
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJMC89&type=revision&diff=810794033&oldid=810621738 13:56 17 Nov] Salvidrim asks JJMC89 at his talk page to remove the N tag, citing the AfC
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJMC89&diff=next&oldid=810794033 2:07 18 Nov] Salvidrim follows up witih JJMC89
:::FWIW, I expected JJMC89 to either tell me how he wanted the page fixed for the maintenance tag to be removed, or to take it to AfD, which is what he ended up doing. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salvidrim! |Salvidrim! ]] ([[User talk:Salvidrim! #top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salvidrim! |contribs]]) 21:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=810793899 18 Nov] JJMC89 nominates Izad for deletion
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=810762902 18 Nov] JJMC89 nominates Weinstein for deletion

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811007629&oldid=811005160 18 Nov] salvidrim makes initial !vote at Izad article, notes his “integrity” and cites the AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811008083 18 Nov] Salvidrim makes 2nd comment at Izad article, again citing his reputation
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=811020000&oldid=811005601 18/19 Nov] Salvidrim makes initial !vote at AfD for Weinstein, notes his “integrity” and cites the AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=811042113&oldid=811039939 19 Nov] Salvidrim makes 2nd comment at Weinstein AfD

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&type=revision&diff=811024863&oldid=810966445 19 Nov] JJMC89 notes on Jytdog TP that Salvidrim is editing for pay, for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Should_Wikipedians_be_allowed_to_use_community_granted_tools_in_exchange_for_money.3F the list at VPP] - that kicks off a dialogue with Salvidrim in which all this became clear

* 19 Nov Jytdog asks [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811009168 at Izad AfD] and asks [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811042113 at Weinstein AfD] if Salvidrim is being paid for this AfD work
* 19 Nov Salvidrim gives more-or-less yes answer [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811118319 at Izad] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811119078 at Weinstein], discloses that the client wanted the tags removed and putting through AfC was Salvidrim’s solution
* 19 Nov after figuring out the AfC timelines Jytdog noted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811146443 at Weinstein AfD] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811147241 at Izad AfD] that AfC review was tainted
* etc.

5 bullets below added in this diff. Not sure this is the best outcome of these matters and am posting here so others can review. Also the continued and ''immediate'' lobbying by Salvidrim is hard to understand in light of everything that else that has been happening. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
* 20:50 Nov 20, [[User:DGG]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FReza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811311534&oldid=811263117 starts to close the AfD] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Reza+Izad&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 deletes the Izad article] (that is a link to the deletion log). At the AfD DGG [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&action=history per the history] hits a snag with the formatting in the AfD (Salvidrim had added a hat that messed up the closing bracketing).
* Apparently DGG made a mistake using the deletion tool and deleted a bunch of stuff (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=DGG&page=&year=2017&month=11&tagfilter=&subtype= DGG deletion log])
* 20:53 Nov 20 Salvidrim (not paid) opens discussion at DGG's talk page about the Afd formatting snag; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DGG&oldid=811430499#AfD_closure_template_bug section here] and that evolves into discussion about the mistake DGG made using the deletion tool, which also includes Salvidrim suggesting to undelete to keep redirects related to Studio71, which DGG agrees to do in the context of fixing the other errors (see deletion log above for the Izad thing)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811312202&oldid=811003776 20:54 Nov 20] Salvidrim (paid) creates a redirect at the Izad article after DGG undeletes it. (so the talk page is deleted, the article page is not)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studio71&type=revision&diff=811313360&oldid=811311551 21:02 Nov 20] Salvidrim (paid) added the pictures of the two executives to the Studio71 article.
:::Your post just made me notice the Reza Izad revisions were mistakenly ALL restored. The intent was for it to be deleted, and a single revision for its recreation as a valid redirect to the article where he's mentioned. The other previous revisions should ''all'' be deleted per the AfD. (Obviously I won't fix it myself). The AfD closure then re-closure really made a mess of things for sure.
:::As for the edit to Studio71, it wasn't paid or asked for, but I still think that there is no reason not to promote the use of good freely-licensed pictures in the article where the people depicted are mentioned (it's hardly uncommon for company articles to include freely-licensed pics of key founders), and I only did it with {{noping|Salvidrim! (paid)}} due to the past association existing. I consider this remedial edit a form of apology for the mess and scrutiny that the two human article subjects had to go through by my fault, when they should have remained declined AfC drafts instead. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 17:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Remember the whole "judgement" thing that this all about? C'mon man. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
* See also
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soetermans&oldid=811285606#AfC_moves Thread] at Soeterman's TP
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&oldid=811283692#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay thread] at my TP with Salvidrim
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WolvesS&oldid=811310903#Paid_editing_-_full_disclosure thread] at WolvesS' TP, which I have only just opened.
::No point reaching out to {{noping|Jlauren22}}, the creator of the Datari article, as this is very clearly a throwaway sock.

-- I also want to give kudos to [[User:JJMC89]] who handled all this with a cool head and with grace. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 20:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:And I will add. It is so mind-numbingly mundane to get drama from paid editors over fucking tags. All this fucking drama over fucking tags. And people trying to get fucking paid to remove fucking tags. What a waste of... everything. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 20:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* [[:File:Taking a break... (8077275351).jpg|Oh geez.]] Yeah. Umm. That's less than ideal. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 21:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Hi everyone, I just had evening class and I'm heading home currently. I've been trying to follow the discussion. Are there any questions people want answered specifically? I'll try to reply tomorrow. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 21:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi - thanks for checking in. Not from me. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Soetermans}} I think Salvridimi completely misunderstood me above. I'd just like to get some basic facts about how paid editing works on Wikipedia, from the paid editor's side of things. Could you could write up a couple of pages on what it is like to work for a paid editing firm? how you made contact? how assignments were made, how do you get paid? where you got your sources for the articles? were new sources created - i.e. published in "RS" just so they could be included? Who did you contact at the paid editing firm? How much were you paid for an article? How many co-workers were you in contact with on-Wiki? What were your instructions? What were you told before you signed up? Did they mislead you on this?
::::Do you now think there should be a clearer "[[WP:Paid editing policy]]"?
::::[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 01:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::Hi {{re|Smallbones|p=}}, sure, I don't mind. Where and how would you like to see it? [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

* I've been sideways following both the discussion here and at Jyt's talk. So, after a good deal of thought, here's my down and dirty. Even if ''every single other aspect'' of the checks out as 100% above the table, [[User:Salvidrim!|Salvidrim!]] using their access to assign advanced rights to an account '''''specifically registered to make paid contributions''''' is an abuse of the tools. Full stop. Actually using them only makes it worse. No user who showed up at PERM with {{tq|I'm a COI editor, and I'd please like some extra buttons so I can push them to make myself some money}} is going to get them. They wouldn't get them because no clear minded sysop is going to give it to them. This account got them here because we didn't have a clear minded sysop; we had a sysop with a conflict of interest. This alone is enough for me to strongly suggest resignation '''''as an act of mercy to save us the trouble'''''.
:Besides that, essentially {{tq|I have a conflict of interest, but you can trust me because I'm a sysop}}, explicit or implied, is a flagrant abuse of position. COI does not have a ''good intentions clause''. The question of your integrity is already settled when you decide to heavily weigh in on an AfD '''''that you wouldn't have know about to begin with if you didn't have a COI'''''. With only these two points considered, I would plead with you personally to resign, because I don't like ArbCom, I've never filed a case there ever, much less to desysop someone, and I would much rather never have to figure it out, but if no one else does, I will. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 23:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for your feedback. I don't believe I've ever said something analoguous to "I'm paid but trust me, I'm an admin", although of course it's impossible to avoid people gathering that fact implicitly. As for the rights I've granted my alt: Confirmed is standard and basically meaningless; rollback is a convenience (redundant with Twinkle which anyone can use); pending changes reviewer I agree should go (I didn't really give it a second thought), removed it now; autopatrol has alway been no-go (and with the "no direct mainspace creations" policy likely to pass soon, won't serve any purpose anyways); so I guess the only user right that really is the object of debate is page mover, which I can't see how paid editors could really abuse, the only usefulness in my eye is for draftifying pages without having to get someone else to G6 the leftover mainspace redirect, and perhaps moving drafts out of user sandbox and into draftspace without having leftovers in userspace. If the concern is user/draft moves to mainspace, that's not okay whether or not a redirect is left behind, meaning page mover has no impact. So if it's really a point of controversy I don't mind removing it and having to CSD leftovers, I just don't think it's a problem either way. :) [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: Sorry, but I don't accept this. Back-channel communication with spammers is a terrible idea. Especially for an admin who is also engaged in paid editing. I mean, really, objectively terrible. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::What? What "backchannel communication with spammers"? [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} You directly executed a round-robin move on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studio71&type=revision&diff=808254142&oldid=807184931 Studio 71 to Studio71]. This is a stylization change, which is not an uncontroversial move (I've been taken to move reviews over periods in titles before.) This is what your client was branded as, yes, but that might not be what community consensus and our naming conventions determine that it should have been named. By granting yourself page mover access, you were able to bypass review of this move by other editors either at [[WP:RM/TR]] or at a full [[WP:RM|RM]]. This was a use of tools you granted your paid account from your personal admin account to bypass a community review process in order to make the page title match the preferred brand stylization of your clients. This was not just something that you did accidentally, you were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&oldid=808254043 specifically paid] to execute that move, and had granted yourself page mover rights 4 minutes before making the disclosure that you were paid to move the article. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks, the fact I honestly believed the move to be totally uncontroversial similarly highlights how much I let the COI influence me despite beliving myself true and uninfluencable. I removed all user rights from the alt. Community processes provide absolutely necessary oversight which should not be bypassed by paid editors. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} No, don't thank me. I'm not doing you a favor. I'm not doing anything that gives me any pleasure either. But I don't think you understand. What I am saying is that you have made a series of decisions that calls into serious question your ability to use the tools in an impartial and responsible manner, and a series of decisions that eliminates the confidence in your ability to exercise the measure of community trust given to you. I am not offering constructive feedback to help you improve yourself as a person or an editor. I'm certainly not offering feedback that will allow you to more effectively make personal gain off of Wikipedia while you hold one of the higher positions of community trust the project has to give.
:::I am '''''telling you''''' that you will either resign the tools, or I will set in motion a discussion to have them taken away from you. The only acceptable responses are "Yes, I will resign the tools" or "No, you will have to take them away from me". [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 00:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::My answer is that I don't think this single fuckup in which I wrongly believed myself "too good to mishandle COI" means I am incapable of fulfilling adequately the duties of an admin. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 00:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Roger that. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 00:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::hey [[User:GreenMeansGo]], I appreciate your passion on this. I do. My sense is that Salvidrim is looking at this mess (and I really think he is looking at it) and where it came from with respect to how he thought about himself and about how Wikipedia works, and is rethinking things... and he is doing that in public, and in the glare of a lot of attention. Which is really fucking hard. Please give this some time.... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::As it happens I'm busy this week. Happy Thanksgiving. Should be plenty of time to consider where the priorities are. I'd like to find some answer that resolves this without me having to read for three hours about how to file an ArbCom case. An answer that involves both paid editing an the mop is not one that resolves this. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 01:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

[[User:Salvidrim!]], would you be willing to pledge to completely and unconditionally abandon any paid or [[WP:COI]] editing, and not to use your admin rights in connection with any [[WP:COI]] editor? That might go a ways toward addressing some of the concerns raised here. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 01:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:This is exactly the question I have been asking myself. I'm likely going to end up doing just that, but please let me think over my shit for a day or two. I'd rather have a well-thought-through commitment than a hasty one. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I know you said you were busy {{ping|GreenMeansGo}}, but would you care to share your thoughts on how acceptable you think this proposal to be? [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::If you need to think about it, then block your paid account and remove all rights in the interim, but understand that the fact that you need to think about it means I've probably lost all respect for you for the foreseeable future. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 01:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::If the fact I prefer to carefully think things through instead of taking rash emotional decisions makes you lose respect for me... whatever. Let me sleep on it at least. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 02:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::GMG really, there is no need for big drama. We can wait a few days. If you take some time and learn about Salvidrim you will see that this is not a small thing for him, to have this go so awry. On the bell curve of community opinion about paid editing, he has been -- very publicly (e..g [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2016/Candidates/Salvidrim!#Question_from_User:Doc_James here] in an Arbcom election Q&A -- over on the positive-towards-it slope for a long time, and i think his lived experience has given him some things to think about. To really think about. Please give him space. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 02:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::[[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]], the fact that I'm surprised to find you on the other side of the argument actually makes me take your position more seriously. But I have to disagree nontheless. I think there is a precise and regrettable need for exactly this drama. I don't think I need to tell you this in particular, but maybe it helps to have it said.
::::I am not at all comfortable with user with COIs having access to specifically OCRP, the admin toolkit, and AfC, in that order and across the board. Having someone actively use that access to further paid editing is beyond toleration in a way that involves little nuance. ''Trust'' is far and away our most valuable commodity. It's something we stockpile because it's what makes this thing work. It's valuable precisely because ''it's not for sale'', and putting a price tag on it doesn't just affect individual users and articles; it affects the bedrock of trust.
::::None of this is in the interest of attacking any individual. We've already lost one long time editor, probably permanently, and we seem certain to here to lose a sysop. No one wants to see these things happen, but it is an acceptable if lamentable loss if it is necessary to protect the integrity of trust, because the integrity of trust is more important than any one contributor. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 12:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::My remarks to you here have been just asking for you and other folks to not make immediate demands on Salvidrim nor to escalate immediately. Two reasons for that -- the first is to give Salvidrim time to think, and the second is because we don't know what he will come back with, per my note [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=811364840&oldid=811363997 below]. While what has happened in the past is very clear (and I ~think~ we have laid out all the key events and interactions, but I should spend some more time to see if i have missed anything), the question of what Salvidrim intends to do in the future is something that everybody in the community will be thinking about and will change how this looks in the eyes of the community. It will. That is how this place works.
:::::In general, when the community considers taking actions against editors (blocks, bans, and i would say even removal of privileges) it is about preventing future harm. I brought KDS4444 to AN because he had no insight into the problems he was causing - he didn't understand COI and what it was doing to him when he edited under it nor why people were reviewing his paid edits -- and the disruption over managing his ever-growing pile of COI edits was never going to stop in my view. With regard to what he did at OTRS, future damage was prevented by removing his access, and the harm he caused WP in the eyes of the people with whom he interacted there cannot be redeemed... but what bothered me the most was the place in him from which the decision was made to abuse OTRS that way. That was unredeemed as well. I don't want a person like that in the community.
:::::If Salvidrim comes back here and says that he will give up paid editing and he really sees all the harm he has caused, and "the lights are on" with respect to ''the place in him where these bad judgementa and actions came from'', I don't think I will support a desysop. The way I think about people, I trust people ''more'' who make mistakes and are able to a) see the mistake, and b) see ''why'' they made the mistake; c) can articulate that clearly and without bullshit.
:::::I do get it that for some people what Salvidrim has done is an irredeemable breach of trust and they want his bit stripped no matter what decision he comes back with.
:::::I also think that if he wants to keep the bit, him doing that by resigning it and getting re-certified through an RfA is probably the best thing for him '''and the community'''.
:::::If he wants to keep the bit and won't voluntarily resubmit to RfA, and this becomes an Arbcom case, a lot will depend on ''how'' the case is brought and conducted (will it be "hey look at this" or "you must strip his bit!") and there are serious risks in my view (i think about risks a lot and try to manage them!). First, if it becomes ugly and antagonistic, it will probably harm relationships among editors here long term. Second if the outcome is that he keeps the bit, it risks confusing and de-solidifying the community consensus around these specific issues. And third, there has always been a faction of the community that doesn't care about paid editing (it is getting smaller and weaker in my view) but one of their lines of arguments is that people who do care about it are moralistic witch hunters who ''themselves'' cause disruption. If he comes back "with the lights on" and the Arbcom case gets ugly, and he keeps the bit at the end of the case, that line will be able to sing much louder. Which in my view is not good for the long-term effort to move community consensus toward stronger and more clear COI management. (and all these risks of badness are why i think Salvidrim should voluntarily resign the bit and go through a new RfA - if he decides to keep it and won't do that, I think there will be an Arbom or some other case ... and this is really not good for anybody and will require yet '''more''' time on this matter. I am very much hoping he sees this)
:::::Of course if there is an Arbcom case it could be conducted well and ends in a way that clarifies and consolidates consensus too.
:::::Those are the kinds of things I am thinking about. Lots of "ifs" on top of other "ifs". But very much with an eye to long term movements in community consensus around COI management and paid editing, as well as what is best in this specific situation. Trying to think through all those things. We all look at things differently.
:::::But more than anything, we should just be waiting at this point, and discussing various options if people want to. Not making demands or escalating ... not until Salvidrim comes back and lets us know his intentions for the future. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 15:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::There are, at this point, more than a dozen calling for a resignation. Most after my own comments, but my comments stand on their own, and I would have no qualms about being a lone standard bearer were it the case. There is no resolution to this month long sustained poor decision making that is not a resignation or an ArbCom thread. If they want to stop paid editing, then they are welcome to do so, regain the community trust, and get it back. But there is no world in which we allow someone to have the bit when it's not even clear they can be trusted to have access to AfC, and were this not a sysop, they probably would have already lost AfC as well as OTRS without a thought. I'm sorry they made the decision that their standing in the community was worth a few dollars, but that's the decision they made, and have repeatedly not seen any issues with glaring problems until they are spelled out for them in grotesque detail. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 16:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I think he is horrified with what he has done now that he sees it. Being human is weird that way - we can do that to ourselves. I agree that an Arbcom case is very likely if he doesn't voluntarily resign the bit. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 16:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Reiterating my earlier note for all parties in this thread so it doesn't come as a surprise: I'm planning to write up this case and the paid editor/OTRS case for the upcoming ''Signpost''. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I don't know when your deadline is, but if it's got at least a few days, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have that haven't been adressed here. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Negative three days, officially. I guess nothing at this time, maybe after you make your decision on what next steps to take. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

* I ask everybody to make sure you have read [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=811291294&oldid=811289694 this diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=next&oldid=811292585 this diff] by Salvidrim, in the midst of this flood of words. I think this thread is kind of done until we hear back from him. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think the discussion is "done". While disclosed paid editing by administrators is still a grey area, engaging in the further previously undisclosed activities and favors as Salvadrim has done, even if he now agrees he fucked up, means he has for all intents and purposes probably lost the community's trust. I think that would be how this would play out if it went to AN, ANI, or ArbCom. This is especially true of someone who ran for RfB four months ago under a platform of "what the hell". Why run for RfB? Was he a paid editor at that time? My sense is that if this whole scenario went to AN, ANI, or ArbCom, what would happen for Salvadrim would be a de-sysop and a topic ban from AfC and NPP. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I hear that, totally. But the situation is not stable right now. (please just have a look at his [[User:Salvidrim!|current userpage]], for example) Please consider --Salvidrim might come back here and say - "I intend to keep on editing for pay, and I want to keep my admin bit." He might say - "I am going to stop editing for pay and I will not start again without getting prior consensus. Please forgive my breach of trust and let me earn it back." He might say, "I am giving up my bit and becoming a paid editor." Or something very different. I think folks will have very different responses to each of those, don't you?
:::(btw, I didn't say "done", I said "kind of done until we hear back from him."...) [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 04:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I agree the ball is in his court, but at the end of the day the situation boils down to this: did Salvidrim! in his actions cause a breach of the community's trust in such a way that in order to function as an administrator he needs to show he still has it through a new RfA. I think he has, and that he should resign and resubmit to an RfA with all of this out in the open if he thinks he still has the community's trust. If he thinks this isn't necessary, the only forum that can resolve that question is the Arbitration Committee.{{pb}}This is true even if he says he will not edit for pay in the future, because a breach of trust did occur on the meatpuppetry and the assigning himself user rights which were used to bypass community processes for actions he was directly paid to make. I don't want to pile on, and I ''do'' respect that he is taking this seriously and is thinking about all of his possible responses. I also appreciate how focused you are on him as a person, Jytdog, which is something we sometimes miss in these discussions. I don't think we can have much more conversation here about what to do until he lets us know what he is thinking, but I also think it is important to him to make clear that it is very possible that the next step from here is an arbitration case request: AN or ANI really can't do anything in regards to the trust question. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Briefly, I think this is a good plan: resign sysop and stand for new RfA. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 04:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::I agree completely with [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] here. Paid editors reviewing and accepting each other's AFC submissions shows a serious lapse of judgment that I think is incompatible with the community trust required to remain an admin - and I think the only honorable response here is to resign the admin bit and re-run for RFA. (And I'll echo Tony's suggestion that, failing that, an arb case request seems likely.) [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::::::I too agree with {{u|TonyBallioni}}, and echo the calls for a resignation of the bit and a re-rerun at RfA. I have no trust in the editor, and their access to OTRS is now concerning (given we've all been shown how easy it is to solicit work from there) -- [[User:There'sNoTime|There'sNoTime]] ([[User talk:There'sNoTime|to explain]]) 08:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*I'll keep this brief because I said enough over the KDS4444 issue that resulted in an indef block and ban: In no way is holding advanced rights of any kind compatible with editing for money or reward or helping anyone else to do it. It would be putting a fox in charge of the henhouse. It dosn't matter what good he might have done for the project, Salvidrim! has lost the trust that was invested in him as an admin - just for starters - and any other trust as an editor has gone with it. The choice is clear, either he hands all his tools in, or Arbcom will do it for him and the end result there may even be a block and a ban. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 12:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

===On the nature of paid editing===
Hi everyone,

Just for readability's sake I'm going to start a subsection in this discussion. I've been thinking a lot about paid editing and COI. I'm not trying to be melodramatic here, but my reputation on Wikipedia is important to me. I've been talking with {{re|Jytdog|p=}} on the matter on [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves|my talk page]], and I agree, I completely fucked up with the AfC thing, thinking that notability would somehow take precedence over neutrality and transparancy. One of my paid articles, [[Datari Turner]], is up for [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Datari_Turner_(2nd_nomination)|deletion]]; {{re|Smartse|p=}} said they're wondering about the notability of the articles on [[John Shahidi|John]] and [[Sam Shahidi]]. To try and avoid any confusion or any other repercussions, I have some questions.

*[[WP:COI]] says that "COI editing is strongly discouraged", and [[WP:PAY]] says that paid editors are "very strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly". Instead, paid editors should use {{tlx|request edit}} or by posting a note here at COIN. Instead of being actually paid to edit, paid editors would get paid to ''ask others'' to do the editing for them. For instance, I've been asked to expand and update the article on Norwegian design duo [[Arne & Carlos]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arne_%26_Carlos&type=revision&diff=811112286&oldid=765707762 diff]). That took me a little while to get done, and I think it would be unfair to ask other editors to do the work for me ''and'' me getting paid for their work. Is there another possible way to communicate any paid edits? What about using drafts first? Or a "paid articles for creation"?
*What is the use of a COI maintenance template, when it's already established that there's paid editing been done? The [[Template:COI|documentation]] says "Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning." [[WP:WTRMT]] No. 6 says "Some neutrality-related templates, such as {{tlx|COI}} (associated with the conflict of interest guideline) and {{tlx|POV}} (associated with the neutral point of view policy), strongly recommend that the tagging editor initiate a discussion (generally on the article's talk page), to support the placement of the tag. If the tagging editor failed to do so, or the discussion is dormant, the template can be removed". Should there be an additional discussion, even when a paid editor has disclosed they have been to do paid editing on the article?
*I fucked up with the AfC situation. For my actual paid edits, I have been [[User:Soetermans#Paid_editing|transparent]] about them, and I've tried to be neutral and objective while writing them. Now I'm wondering, is it actually possible for an experienced editor to do paid editing? It's not even that I ''want'' to do paid editing at this point -- I've been an editor for over ten years and were paid to edit seven articles since October 2017 and there's this whole mess -- but there are plenty of people and companies out there that are notable by Wikipedia's standards, but don't have any volunteer writing about them. I thought ''I'' could help improve Wikipedia, help them out and make a little money on the side. I thought I did. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know anymore. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{tq|thinking that notability would somehow take precedence over neutrality and transparancy}} I don't think this is the most important point, but I'd like to point out that both articles you reviewed would have taken me two minutes to decline as non-notable. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 08:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I see your point. With those AfC moves, I wasn't being payed (I wasn't even asked to do so by Mister Wiki), but I wanted to help Salvidrim! out. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
* {{yo|Soetermans}} I'll just say that it is possible to do paid editing. Not ideal, but possible. But it does mean that your actions are in some way presumed to be potentially compromised, and it requires oversight (of the ordinary type, not [[WP:OVERSIGHT]]) by someone who is impartial. It also means that you should not be involved in functions that involve that oversight capacity, as AfC does. The real problem with COI not not necessarily malicious bad faith editors out to abuse Wikipedia. Those are fairly common and usually exceptionally easy to spot. The more difficult problem is that a COI can make good faith editors do corrosive things unknowingly and with the best intentions. I think that, more than anything, is probably what happened here, and all this is a good example of how paid editing is possible, but doesn't mix well with also being a volunteer who at some level occupies a position of respect. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 13:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for assuming good faith towards me. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
**The COI template is a request for an independent person to fully review the content in question. As the quality of paid editing is generally very poor this is generally required. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 13:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{re|Soetermans}}{{ec}} {{tq|I think it would be unfair to ask other editors to do the work for me ''and'' me getting paid for their work.}} This is a very valid question. Take a read of [[WP:BOGOF]] ("buy one get one free") for [[User:Bri|Bri]]'s take on it. As you noted, {{tl|request edit}} is available, but don't expect a quick response!
::Templates are primarily there to alert the reader to potential problems. The fact that paid editing has been disclosed means that there can be no dispute about the relevance of adding {{tl|coi}} and there is no need to explain why it is necessary. In other cases the coi may be less clear and rquires a note to explain. Even if there are no obvious problems with the current content, unless the subject has been researched by another editor it's impossible to know whether or not the article is written from a NPOV. Obviously that takes time...
::It certainly is possible for an experienced editor to write for pay, but you have to tread very carefully and be aware that some editors consider it distasteful, regardless of policies and guidelines. {{noping|CorporateM}} was pretty successful, but saying that he was hounded away from editing in the end. I understand how you can see this could be a win-win, but the volunteer time that is required to ensure that content is neutral is considerable and inevitably when we have money on our minds, judgement is compromised - poor sources are more likely to be used, notability standards lowered and content leers towards promotion. I don't think that there is anyway round that. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 13:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::[[WP:BOGOF]] makes perfect sense, even when it's done by a disclosed paid editor. Other editors still need to double-check if the article is at all notable, or if it has any promotional/advertesing tone to it. So [[WP:PAY]], in my opinion, is a bit vague. Paid editors are strongly encouraged ''not'' to edit COI articles directly, but can request edits. It's almost like paid editors are more like paid Wikipedia lobbyists. Does that make any sense at all?
:::Well, the COI maintenance template goes back to the first point, in that other editors still need to check the article. I get that. While I can proclaim I'm being as objective as possible, there's still a COI.
:::If paid editing is possible, I think it can only be done with extreme patience. How does the community feel about only allowing drafts for paid edits, for COIN to go over? I know this still sounds like the community and COIN still has to do more work, but in that case, there's direct oversight. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::(ec) I'm sorry, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=811233586 this, just yesterday], is just taking the piss. Context: [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTop]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTopSEO]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTopSEO.com]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTop (company)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (company)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (digital agency)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (digital marketing)]], [[User:Larddwe]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Scorpion293]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jamesflare]], [[User:Simonconrads]], [[User:Willo523]], [[User:Lizziehnazo]].
::*{{spamlink|overthetopseo.com}}
::Blacklisted and regex salted. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 13:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::If I actually had done some research first, I would've known that trying to create an article on Sheetrit was near impossible. I understand how that might've come across, and I apologize. As you can see from [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|my contributions]], I decided to hold off on making any possible COI edits after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=811239859 this statement], including [[Arne & Carlos]], which I was still working on. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::With respect to paid editing, our readers expect us to be independent of the topics we write about. If we become less and less independent our reputation will be harmed. Paid editing thus does not risk harming **just** your reputation it risks harming the reputation of all of us, and thus why many of us are against those with advanced privileges being allowed to take up the practice. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 13:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*Using AfC help reduce promotionalism, because it adds an extra layer of scrutiny before NPP. But it does not decrease the burden on the community, because it requires that extra round. Most article submitted to AfC, especially by obviously promotional editors, require multiple rounds of review at AfC before they're ready to go into mainspace--and promotional editors tend to resubmit articles many times without improvement, and thus require multiple unproductive reviews, and finally the extra step of using MfD to remove them one at a time. Outside COI editors trying to promote themselves will often give up after a few tries; paid editors in the past have sometimes argued to the last ditch to keep the work from being deleted (I think some of this may be due to the typical contract offering refund if removed before X months-- which gives an obvious incentive to use every tactic to delay, even for the most hopeless. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 18:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

===Salvidrim===
Not going to make any resignation announcement today, or tomorrow, or this week. See [[User:Salvidrim!]]. I'd be happy to come to an agreement on some level of community sanctions w/r/t paid editing (such as no more paid edits, no approving paid AfCs/edit-requests/PERM-requests or whatever else needs to be agreed upon) but many commenters above have said there were not interested in discusing that: they want desysopping by shame or by force. I still don't think the COI mishandling (resulting in the AfC collusion or alt-perm assignment) requires desysopping; the AfC collusion could have happened with or without the admin tools, and the alt-perm mistake was acknowledged and reverted (and not particularly griveous or requiring an emergency desysop). I don't think there was a pattern of abuse of tools of behaviour unbecoming of an admin (which is what ArbCom usually looks for). I do think there was a mishandling and underestimating of how strongly and openly COI needs to be tackled and reviewed, and am happy to discuss what restrictions should be put in place to ensure it doesn't become a recurrent problem. This is probably the last I'll say for a while on-wiki unless there is agreement to resolve this with community sanctions (to be agreed upon), or if I end up having to defend at ArbCom. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*Noting for the record that the [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Mister_Wiki|Mister Wiki Arbcom case]] was opened by TonyBallioni in the last 24 hours ({{diff2|811461652|permlink}}). ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 21:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::yep, at 19:38, Tony Ballioni filed an Arbcom case request. I cannot say that I disagree with that, based on the post above. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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===Extended discussion===
:This is becoming almost a repeat of the [[user:KDS4444]] case. The community does not want want a desysopping by shame or by force, they just want the natural consequences of abuse of trust to be carried out. Notwithstanding, it will also serve as an important example and warning to all other would be paid editors. On Wikipedia, rank does ''not'' have its privileges, so please don't be lulled into a false expectation of leniency because you are an admin - in fact many editors would demand even harsher treatment of those with positions of trust. You don't have much choice - you are not in a position to dictate the terms of what happens next, plea bargaining doesn't come into it. With your action you have lost the community's trust vested in your access to special user rights. KDS couldn't have his sysop bit removed because he wasn't one, but all his others, including OTRS were revoked, with everything terminating in an indef block and ban. That's what will be called for at Arbcom if you prefer not to fall on your sword. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 22:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Indeed. Seeking to avoid doing the decent thing is so very 2017, isn't it? [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Salvidrim you misused your admin tools by giving your new "paid" account special privileges. This was a completely "involved" move. You combine that with exchanging approvals at AfC with a paid editor from the same firm with the belief that this should technically get one around policies regulating paid editing and yes we have an issue.
:::Do we need to explicitly spell out every single thing a paid editor is not allowed to do? This is like KDS arguing "well you have no rule against me using OTRS for making money from those emailing in asking for help". Some things we simple expect admins to know. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 00:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
*This might be a [[teachable moment]] for the community at large thinking about paid editing. From private discussions with other editors who have considered this, I think there are definitely under 5 people doing successful inside-the-lines paid editing. Yet here we have two cases in a row where we have lost otherwise productive and valuable community members because they were unable to follow the guidelines around paid editing. At some point do we revisit the cost-benefit equation? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 00:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::Are you willing to name those 5ish? I might have some to add... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:::We do not need a cost/benefit study. We're not that desperate for editors that we have to put the foxes in charge of the henhouse or be lenient with those that only eat chicken or two because they were hungry. Humour apart, the only way to combat paid editing is to outlaw it completely. 99% of it is underground anyway, and we're not doing too bad at smoking some of it out, especially if it involves users abusing special privileges. Paid editing has more than enough hallmarks to raise sufficient curiosity. If we can continue to catch enough of it, it might be a signal that paid editing doesn't pay, particularly when they find themselves having to refund their customers. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 06:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== DeviceLock ==


* {{la|Data loss prevention software}}
* {{la|Data breach}}
* {{la|USB flash drive security}}
* {{la|List of data breaches}}
* {{la|Cloud storage}}
* {{la|Cloud computing security}}
* {{ld|DeviceLock}}
* {{userlinks|Ashot Oganesyan}}

I've cleaned up all the articles in mainspace from this person's spamming. Obviously here to promote the company. I have [[User_talk:Ashot_Oganesyan#Conflict_of_interest_and_paid_editing_in_Wikipedia|tried to open a discussion]], but crickets so far.

I've nominated devicelock.com for the spamblacklist but until that goes through I don't want to get into edit warring with this person. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I will be keeping my watch on the user'd contributions.No worries:)[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 09:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Anybody who reads Russian might like to check out [[:ru:DeviceLock]] to see if that is spam or otherwise bad.

I have already put their logo up for deletion on the Commons due to its implausible claim to be licensed for unlimted reuse and modification. Surely no company would be that silly? The user who uploaded it is not the user above. He has uploaded similar logos for the same company and had them deleted before. --[[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 19:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:The [[:ru:DeviceLock]] article is very well written. It is extremely comprehensive without being a hard sell. Obviously written by someone with an extremely intimate knowledge of the product, probably company director Ashot_Oganesyan ([https://www.anti-malware.ru/interviews/2015-09-03/16673 see him here]), who supplied the very similar advertorial that is used in all the sources. If the company needs a text for a product brochure, this would be it. It's clearly part of an organised marketing campaign. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 21:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Andrew McIntosh (professor) ==

* {{la|Andrew McIntosh (professor)}}
* {{userlinks|WikiJonathanpeter}}
* {{userlinks|Ipadmasterman}}
I removed some predatory journals fomr this article two days ago. Up pops WikiJonathanpeter, who has not edited since March, to revert. I reverted, and in comes Ipadmasterman, with his grand total of four previous edits, all back in July, to revert again. I smell socks. Oh, note that WikiJonathanpeter's few other article edits are all to biblical topics. McIntosh is notorious as a creationist. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Whatever you think of the guy or the credibility of the source is irreverent. The source was written by the guy and expresses his view. This is the best evidence you'll get for ones view. Whatever you think of the guy, please be humble and let his views be expressed [[User:WikiJonathanpeter|WikiJonathanpeter]] ([[User talk:WikiJonathanpeter|talk]]) 23:56, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: What I think is, actually, relevant, because unlike you I am independent of the subject. This is now at [[WP:ANI]]. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
: The article was created as a Coatrack a while ago. I and another guy set out to change it. Unfortunately, there are those who would want to get back the article to how it use to be. [[User:WikiJonathanpeter|WikiJonathanpeter]] ([[User talk:WikiJonathanpeter|talk]]) 00:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Just noting that [[User:WikiJonathanpeter]] has been blocked for socking, but not [[User:Ipadmasterman]] [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 01:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:Socking is not what is going on here. [[User:WikiJonathanpeter]] is a separate entity that I have no connection with. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ipadmasterman|Ipadmasterman]] ([[User talk:Ipadmasterman#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ipadmasterman|contribs]]) 02:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
*'''Comment'''-The article seems to be good, at least as of now.Has watchlisted.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 09:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: It might ''seem'' good, but it still lists one publication in a predatory journal. We should not be driving traffic to these abusive firms. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 10:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Luke Harding ==


* {{la|Luke Harding}}
* {{userlinks|DinaNagapetyants}}


I note that the user DinaNagapetyants who removed the section about the proven plagiarism by the professional anti-Russian journalist Luke Harding, a plagiarism that was admitted and apologised for by the Guardian, where the plagiarised material was published, is herself a writer for the Guardian who co-wrote an anti-Russia article with Mr Harding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/20/natalia-potanina-vladimir-potanin-ex-wife-russia-richest-men-divorce

Surely this conflict of interest should have been declared at the very least? It's a clear abuse in my opinion: censorship of an embarrassing but obviously notable fact - because proven and well-sourced (see the talk page) plagiarism by a notable journalist is always notable - by a person who 1) professionally collaborates with the article's subject in his explicitly partisan (in Mr Harding's case, anti-Russian) journalistic discourse, 2) by co-writing articles for the same employer who 3) published the plagiarism and apologised for it, and 4) without this clear non-neutrality being disclosed.

To be clear, Dina Nagapetyants has two undisclosed conflicts here, her relationship with the Guardian and her relationship with Mr Harding.

Consider this a complaint against Dina Nagapetyants as well as a request for the reinstatement of the suppressed material in some form. I think Dina Nagapetyants should also disclose if she discussed her edits of Mr Harding's page with Mr Harding.

Dina Nagapetyants has also made her pro-Harding bias clear on her talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DinaNagapetyants where she rejects criticism (not from me) of her evident bias on the Luke Harding article. For example: "for his recent book Mr. Harding has received universal acclaim" - an egregiously sycophantic claim that is factually false - no partisan work receives universal acclaim.

[[Special:Contributions/121.72.181.139|121.72.181.139]] ([[User talk:121.72.181.139|talk]]) 03:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:User:DinaNagapetyants made only about 50 edits from June 6 - June 15, 2016 and hasn't edited since. I doubt we can do anything that addresses your complaint against her. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 03:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::You're probably right, but the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Harding&diff=725064368&oldid=725064157 section] about plagiarism was removed and never replaced. Not brilliant sourcing, but evidently two sources - Private Eye and Newsweek have noted plagiarism. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 13:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::Right, I see that now: every single one of her edits was to the Luke Harding article where she had this undisclosed conflict of interest or to her talk page defending those edits, with the single exception of her own one-line user page. Can she just be locked out of editing this particular article? That would solve the problem, and it's worth doing because her inactivity could well end if changes are made to the page about her friend that is her sole focus on Wikipedia. I would also like to see the plagiarism section restored; I read SmartSE's comment as justifying this. I'd do it myself but I'm just a humble IP address and loath to enter a potential edit war with Mr Harding's friends. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.72.181.139|121.72.181.139]] ([[User talk:121.72.181.139#top|talk]]) 06:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Chronic fatigue syndrome article — longstanding editor Sciencewatcher has a potential COI ==
{{archive top|Inappropriate forum: [[WP:COINOTBIAS]] ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 22:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)}}

* {{la|chronic fatigue syndrome }}
* {{userlinks| Sciencewatcher}}


The Wikipedia article on the disease myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) has for many years been an area for edit disputes, due to the controversial nature and circumstances of this disease. Given the controversy, one would consider it prudent to check whether any of the regular editors might have conflicts of interest. Thus on the article talk page (where COIs are usually discussed), I asked two of the longstanding regular editors of the ME/CFS article whether they have any potential conflicts of interest, which is a legitimate and important question. The text of the ensuing discussion on the ME/CFS talk page can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chronic_fatigue_syndrome&oldid=811420506 here]. This link is a diff link ([[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has deleted one of my comments on the talk page, but the diff link contains all the comments).

Note that I am not a Wikipedia editor and I am not involved with the editing of the ME/CFS article, but thought it would be a good idea to ask the regular editors of the ME/CFS article (those who have been editing it for many years) whether they might have a COI.

One regular editor ([[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']]) was happy to provide a clear statement that he has no COI, which settled that matter simply and easily. However, the other regular editor ([[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]]) refused to provide any statement regarding possible COIs, even though he was asked several times. This raised some suspicion, and so I made some background checks, and found that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] does indeed possess potential COIs: [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has a published academic study (as a single independent researcher), a published book (available to buy on Amazon) and a website which all clearly advocate what is termed the ''psychogenic view'' of chronic fatigue syndrome.

The heart of the controversy about ME/CFS are the two competing views of the aetiology this disease: the view that ME/CFS is a psychogenic "all in the mind" condition versus the view that ME/CFS is a biologically-caused organic disease. Thus the fact that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has something of an external career as a promotor of the psychogenic view, and is selling a book expounding and advocating this psychogenic view, would appear to introduce a potential COI, especially in an area like ME/CFS which is surrounded by controversy.

When I put it to [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] that he has a book for sale on Amazon advocating the psychogenic view of ME/CFS, he completely denied this. But I know for fact that he does have such a book for sale, and can provide a weblink to it. So he appears to be trying to cover up this potential COI on the talk pages.

In order not to reveal identity, I will not post here any weblinks to his academic study, his book for sale on Amazon, and his website, but I will send those links, as well as the real life identity of [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]], to you by email if required.

Thus this is a request for COIN to look into this case, and consider whether these circumstances surrounding [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] represent a COI. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 15:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:You don't seem to have provided any evidence here, just your own bad-faith ([[WP:AGF]]) speculation. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 15:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::What exactly do you mean by evidence? I can provide links to his book, website etc, on request.

::Good faith was indeed assumed, and any statement by [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] declaring no COIs would have been accepted on good faith. However, [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] repeatedly refused to provide such a statement. Since it is simple and straightforward to make such a COI statement, and would have settled the matter there and then, it was perplexing that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] should refuse to give one. On investigation, I discovered he had written a book which is for sale that expounds the same psychogenic views that he advocates on the Wikipedia chronic fatigue syndrome article (as well as several other Wikipedia articles in which the same psychogenic vs organic controversy exists), which may in itself constitute a COI. [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] then lied about not having such a book (which does make one wonder whether good faith is appropriate in this case), and he has still not been courteous enough to volunteer a statement regarding whether he has COIs or not. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 17:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Twelve pings to science watcher in two posts seems like [[wp:badgering]] and [[wp:harrassment]] to me. You've had your answer at the talk page, and still provided no evidence. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 17:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::::What is a "ping"?

::::[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] you don't seem that experienced in these COIN cases, judging by the absence of your username in the history page, so it would be nice to hear from people who are more experienced, who might also be kind enough to answer my question regarding what is evidence, which you didn't. At the top of this page, is says "Post here if you are concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using Wikipedia to promote their own interests at the expense of neutrality." That is my concern, and the reason I posted here. So I am asking the more experienced people here to look into whether [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] may be using Wikipedia to promote his own interests at the expense of neutrality. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 17:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::A ''ping'' is what you did to me above, causing me to be notified at the top of any page I visit on the project that somebody has mentioned me. You dont get pings because you dont use an account. you sent twelve pings to sciencewatcher. Hint:- count the number of times you linked sciencewatcher's name in your two posts above. as to the rest of your bad faith comments. Aha haha, hahaha. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 17:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::You should probably AGF and assume the ip doesn't know that linking a username pings a person rather than assuming that they're trying to badger Sciencewatcher. (after all, it isn't exactly obvious that even linking someone's name pings them) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 18:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
===Is this a COI matter?===
46.208, I think you are mistaking COI for [[WP:Expert]]. Knowledge of a subject matter area does not imply any conflict of interest. The conflict comes in when one expects to gain something by editing here, or has "divided loyalties" as an editor wrt Wikipedia's mission to be an accurate and unbiased source of information. Asserting (without evidence) that an editor has written a book in no ways establishes COI. I'm concerned that this noticeboard may be misused as a bludgeon to "win" a content dispute by silencing other editors: [[WP:COINOTBIAS]]. That's not its purpose. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:Thank your for your response, Bri. Just to clarify: are you saying that (1) the issue here is that I have not provided evidence that that sciencewatcher has actually published a book? The reason I have not posted links to this book, website and paper is because at the top of this COIN page it says "''Be careful not to out other editors. ... If revealing private information is needed to resolve COI editing, and if the issue is serious enough to warrant it, editors can seek the advice of functionaries or the arbitration committee by email''."

:Or are you saying that (2) even if sciencewatcher has published a book, that alone is not sufficient evidence for a COI? It is the "divided loyalties" issue that I think could be a COI problem with sciencewatcher: when reading his book, website and published academic paper it is clear he is a strong proponent of one side of the chronic fatigue syndrome controversy (the so-called psychogenic view of ME/CFS), and is strongly against the other side of the controversy (the view that ME/CFS is a biologically caused disease). Thus outside of Wikipedia, sciencewatcher appears committed to one side of this polarized controversy. So this is where it seems that a COI may arise. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 19:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::It is good to avoid [[WP:OUTING]] and I don't have a great answer as to what do do with that information other than to read the OUTING link. I don't think e.g. the functionaries mail list is appropriate under to the circumstances. What I see you describing, again just above, "a strong proponent of one side" is definitionally a (potential) ''bias'', not a conflict of interest. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 19:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Bri, for clarifying the issues. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 20:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
: Insistence on the term "myalgic encephalomyelitis" automatically marks you out as one of the warring parties. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a 100% medically accurate and value-neutral term, unless you are entirely devoted to the belief that it is encepathomyelitis and cannot possibly be anything else, in which case you are not basing your belief on the evidence. I am not aware of any evidence that this is objectively proven to be a form of encephalomyelitis (feel free to fill a gap in my knowledge there). The use of pejoratives like "all in the mind" and "psychogenic" is profoundly unhelpful. I don't know anyone who believes that. All we know is that (a) nobody actually knows what the actual aetiology is and (b) some CBT techniques appear to help. That's not a surprise: self-reinforcing cycles are a problem in any disorder that either causes or is caused or is exacerbated by mental state. I've had PTSD, I have experienced this first hand. Oh, we know one more thing: there are some people, a minority, for whom the mere suggestion that the condition has any psychological component whatsoever is utterly unacceptable, to the point that they will attack anybody who even thinks about trying CBT as part of palliative treatment. I trust you are not one of those people. Fellow admins can look at the deleted history of {{la|Simon Wessely}} to see what I mean. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Christ! I just found out that we had forgotten to revdel the worst of it. Fixed now. Admins, take a look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simon_Wessely&oldid=28310923&unhide=1 this] to see what I mean. Probably the worst BLP violation I have ever seen. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Jigsaw Records ==

* {{la|Jigsaw Records (UK company)}} — Notability an promo concerns on the talk page
** The previous history of {{la|Jigsaw Records}} was split into the above and {{la|Jigsaw Records (US company)}}.
* {{la|Gregor Coleman}} (signed? to Jigsaw Records)
* {{la|Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)}} (Jigsaw Records founder) — G11
* {{userlinks|Wikidocs}}
Wikidocs appears to be here to promote Jigsaw Records and those associated with it. Wikidocs hijacked the original Jigsaw Records article (now [[Jigsaw Records (US company)]]) to replace it with what is now [[Jigsaw Records (UK company)]]. The history was split by {{U|Dlohcierekim}}. {{ping|prefix=(FYI: |Justlettersandnumbers|Marchjuly|Theroadislong|p=)}} — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 07:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

As I’ve told Theroadislong, my interest is in Gregor Coleman as a fan. I am therefore naturally curious of the label to which he is signed and the manager under which he is associated. I do not know why you have removed the page for Chris Percival, given multiple editors had already established its suitability. I have put a lot of time and effort into researching all of this. I am unconnected to these entities aside from being a fan of Gregor. You will also note that I have also edited other pages on Wiki. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 08:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard

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== More spam socks ==

*{{checkuser|SteveJohn48}}
*{{checkuser|Ebenezer Ebi}}
*{{checkuser|K Mark Antony}}
*{{checkuser|Niel Oth}}
*{{checkuser|GraceAlexandrae}}
*{{checkuser|Saul Reuben}}

The above accounts got CU blocked for spamming using a VPN. I've seen this abuse pattern before -- one or two spamlinks interspersed with lots of potentially legit edits (I didn't waste my time on detailed checks, I just blanket reverted them). After a semi-automated search through the domains they have added, I make the following observations:

These domains were probably spammed and/or are used in other likely UPE "articles" (view said additions via the COIBot links):
*{{spamlink|healthcaretechoutlook.com}}
*{{spamlink|dispatchtribunal.com}}
*{{spamlink|comunicaffe.com}}
*{{spamlink|healthinvestorasia.com}}
*{{spamlink|solarbuildermag.com}}
*{{spamlink|eurobuildcee.com}} -- 4 links from banned spammer [[User:Manc1234]]
*{{spamlink|martechseries.com}}

The following domains were almost certainly spammed:
*{{spamlink|hydrocarbonengineering.com}}
*{{spamlink|bostonrealestatetimes.com}}
*{{spamlink|virtubytes.com}}
*{{spamlink|bancroftthisweek.com}}
*{{spamlink|erpfocus.com}}
*{{spamlink|bondstreetchelmsford.co.uk}}
*{{spamlink|soleinsider.com}}

Thoughts on what to do with these? [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 08:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{la|Peter Millar (company)}}: "is a premium American lifestyle brand"
*{{userlinks|Zesuz}}

*{{la|Singapore Medical Group}}
*{{la|Beng Teck Liang}}
*{{userlinks|Maria.wesson}}
*{{userlinks|Flowerwild399}}

*{{la|FreshAddress}}
*{{ld|Blueshift}}

A sample of the fake news sites took me to the articles & creators listed above. Definitely looks like PR, needs deeper look. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 14:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Come to think about it, there was at least one more fake news site:
:*{{spamlink|canadajournal.net}}
:The list of filtered (less than 20 live links) domains is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:COIBot/Poke&oldid=808801331 here], starting with hydrocarbonengineering.com. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 11:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{checkuser|JeremyJude}}
:This one is more of the same, including some of the same articles, which is what drew my attention here. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 04:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
::Looks like they've found a new webhost. Forgot to mention
::*{{checkuser|Aaron Caleb}}
::got CU blocked by being on the same VPN as [[Special:Permanentlink/810408616#VPN_spamming|these spammers]]. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 05:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Johns Hopkins Biomedical Engineering ==


* {{la|Johns Hopkins Biomedical Engineering}}
* {{la|Michael I. Miller}}
* {{la|Wojtek Zbijewski}}
* {{la|Jamie Spangler}}
* {{la|Sri Sarma}}
* {{la|Clark Hall (Homewood Campus)}}
* {{userlinks|Mim.cis}}

The editor has acknowledged that he is Miller (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMelcous&type=revision&diff=807746080&oldid=807456621 here] for example) and has in the past contributed positively to articles on which he has expertise. However more recently he has re-written the article on the department he heads and begun creating multiple redirects and articles for his colleagues (some of which have already been deleted as either copyright violations or non-notable). There are thus clear [[WP:COI]] concerns. In a recent comment on my talk page he says [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMelcous&type=revision&diff=808850322&oldid=808825173 "My staff and I spend hours putting that material together"], so I am also asking if this suggests [[WP:PAID]] concerns. [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 21:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
: Thank-you for the consideration and effort. Originally the article had a list of the faculty of the department, this was prepared as part all of the information we have for the strategic review and a new department director. The original history of the department had only been in a series of IEEE Historical interview of department directors.
: Everything on the page is absolutely historically accurate. The category of difficulty was originally called "faculty" not "noteable faculty". The page was modelled after the page of Oxford Department of Computer Science which is one of the most highly ranked departments in the world in computer science. BME department at JHU is highly ranked as well. Under "faculty" all faculty were listed, with no distinction (not called noteable). Rather, for the "noteable category" only National Academy award members were originally listed in page, only the 4-6 faculty were listed with National Academy under noteable.
: Also all of the areas of the discipline that BME faculty engage and teach classes were listed-These were part of the strategic vision taken from a report based on Nature Biomedical Engineering with a citation, as those became the areas that the strategic vision organizes around. The editor trying to make the article better changed the title of faculty to "noteable faculty" and removed all of the names, and as well all of the topics. Is it not possible to continue to have a BME webpage which emulates the Oxford Computer Science page with all faculty listed in a tenure category different from "noteable"?
: Thank-you for your consideration and deliberations. Respectfully [[User:Mim.cis|Mim.cis]] ([[User talk:Mim.cis|talk]]) 23:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:: '''Comment''' {{u|Mim.cis}} this is not the place to discuss specific edits to the article - that's what the talk page is for. This noticeboard is for discussing the conflict of interest guidelines, that is whether you have understood them and are abiding by them. [[User:Melcous|Melcous]] ([[User talk:Melcous|talk]]) 05:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:::The problem with conflict of interest, is that the person with the COI is not a suitable person to judge what should be included in the article. In my experience with academics here writing about themselves or their projects, about half of them try to say too much, and about half too little. It is appropriate for you to add the information to WP, but according to our current practice, you should write additional articles about faculty in the department using the Article Wizard in Draft space, and suggest additions and changes on the article talk pages. If you wan to write about specific subjects in the field, I think you can do it directly and we're glad to have you, but be sure you do not write them to emphasize JHU people. Incidentally, according to our WP:PROF guidelines, there may be more notable faculty in your department than you think--in addition to members of the National Academies, very highly cited researchers also meet WP:PROF, and I would be surprised if this did not apply to at least all the full professors in your department. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 15:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== SEO and PR on hotels articles ==


* {{userlinks|Blueberry Hill}}
* {{userlinks|Qwacker}}
* {{la|Raffles Hotels & Resorts}}
* {{la|Fairmont Hotels and Resorts}}
* {{la|Swissôtel}}
* {{la|Sofitel}}
* {{la|Royal Orchid Hotels}}
* {{la|Pullman Hotels and Resorts}}
* {{la|Jumeirah (hotel chain)}}
* {{la|Outrigger Hotels & Resorts}}
* {{la|Millennium & Copthorne Hotels}}
* {{la|BD Hotels}}
* {{la|Leading Hotels of the World, Ltd.}}


For more context see
*Fairmont: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 87|COIN archive 87]]
*Sofitel: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 91|COIN archive 91]] and [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 114|Archive 114]]
Fairmont, Raffles and Swisshotel have apparently hired SEO and/or PR firms to buff up their articles here. I'll add some more comments anon. One of the actors is Blueberry Hill, formerly named ''3Q Digital Harte Hanks'' (the name of a SEO/SEM firm). I've added them to the [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Barbequeue|Barbequeue sockpuppet investigation]]. Qwacker isn't yet named in any investigation I know of, and has been active editing today, so I'm inviting him now to comment on all of this.

One of the more nauseating aspects of all this is an apparent retaliatory set of complaints lodged against {{U|Beyond My Ken}} which [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=685059498 asserted] that the articles were so well written they were beyond reproach and any attempted cleanup was focused on the declared-paid status of the editors. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 15:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, of course I will comment on this. No I am not some SEO or PR agency. I don't think what I edited was SEO-focused (just refs and 2 external links max). I am not a PR agency looking to ameliorate some brand's page either, I just pick up topics and search them exhaustively because that's the kick I get out of it. I liked editing those hotels' pages because they own or manage crazy buildings, and with my "slight" paranoia on free-masonry, I just dove in. Please do reproach things to my edits, I myself do not believe they are perfect, far (far) from it. I don't mind the mandatory investigation on my profile as I am not related to the other user you mention above, and I do not have other accounts on Wikipedia. I am available to answer more questions if you have any. --[[User:Qwacker|Qwacker]] ([[User talk:Qwacker|talk]]) 16:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::Your article creations and contributions mirror those of someone representing organizations and individuals who want to control their public image. The trade association [[Airlines for Europe]], the Russian company [[Novaport]], the Fairmont/[[Raffles Hotels & Resorts|Raffles]] chain and [[Benjamin Swig|associated people]], [[Régis Schultz]] a European corp executive, [[Sok Kong]] a Cambodian executive. More [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Pritikin&type=revision&diff=805505320&oldid=799671145 exec/philanthropist] stuff, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Outrigger_Hotels_%26_Resorts&type=revision&diff=803722916&oldid=793797176 resorts], all [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beam_Suntory&type=revision&diff=808644433&oldid=797262778 this] about a whiskey company, etc. -- you do realize your edits are public here? Nothing to say about that? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Yes those are pages I edited (among many others). I like to surf through Wk's categories, I discover all those economy-related topics I didn't know. A lot of the pages I edited were almost empty before I found them. I feel like I am enriching Wikipedia on topics I like and for which most users show little interest in. But again, I am not related to the companies or the people of the pages I edit, nor am I a professional writer in any way (you can delete them all, ok by me). --[[User:Qwacker|Qwacker]] ([[User talk:Qwacker|talk]]) 18:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::::So you are saying that it is just serendipity that in your surfing through categories a large number of your edits happen to be to articles about hotels and other travel industry-related (not "economy-related") subjects? I suppose it's also a coincidence that your user name "Qwacker" might be an informal description of a duck, and that the [[WP:DUCK|"duck test"]] is a method of determining whether two accounts are [[WP:SOCKPUPPETS]]? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 09:31, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::It's probably also one of those coincidences that Blueberry Hill stopped editing in January 2016 [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Blueberry+Hill], while you -- although you had 17 edits before January 2016 -- didn't start editing for real until then [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Qwacker]? The coincidences start to accumulate. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 09:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

== Accusations of UPE from Investigator87 ==
*{{userlinks|Investigator87}} Checkuser blocked 2 Nov
*{{userlinks|Bigredlighthouse}} ToU blocked 6 Nov
*{{userlinks|Richardaldinho}} Checkuser blocked 9 Nov
**{{iplinks|86.28.216.250}} (UK)
**{{iplinks|2a01:4c8:c3d:5dbf:b320:3e86:fbc:e8b3}} (UK)
*{{iplinks|39.54.19.7}} (PK) Checkuser blocked 9 Nov
*{{userlinks|Wikieditions}} blocked 9 Nov
*{{userlinks|Gregserrano0}}
*{{userlinks|Gserrano0}}

*{{userlinks|Investigator87}} has been blocked as part of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Liborbital]] and [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Susana Hodge]] but made a series of allegations that other articles, unrelated to those sockfarms were written for pay. This certainly wouldn't be the first time that such allegations would be correct. The allegations made at [[Oliver Isaacs]] regarding {{userlinks|Bigredlighthouse}} certainly seem legitimate to me and I will block them accordingly. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 20:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::I did a quick cleanup at [[Oliver Isaacs]] but I could only take so much. Honestly it would be a good [[WP:TNT]]. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 21:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
::It has been proposed by another editor at [[Talk:Oliver Isaacs]] to [[WP:TNT]] the article due to unfixable copyvio issues. Other thoughts are welcome ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 22:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Looks like some sock/meat activity at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Isaacs]]. At least two [[WP:SPA]]s have appeared to register Keep votes, and two others that left comments were blocked by {{u|Berean Hunter}} from a CU investigation. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 14:31, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
::::SPI open now here: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikieditions]] --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 15:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

On the same AFD we have:
*{{userlinks|Semso98}}
*{{la|Boxout.fm}}
*{{la|Hidalgo Serra}}
*{{la|Cambridge Securities}}
**See also [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cambridge Securities]].
*{{la|DJ MoCity}}
*{{la|Milan Jezic von Gesseneck}}
*{{la|Overseas Countries and Territories Association}}
*{{la|Kris Vanderheyden}}
*{{la|OCTA Innovation}}

whose set of oddball promotional article creations reek of UPE. I've already declined an unblock request from this user for a very suspect mistake so I'll hold off blocking for now. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 01:14, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
*I concur that ({{noping|Richardaldinho}} is likely a paid editor given the history of the articles. {{u|DGG}} had tagged some of them for G5, and I deleted one, but it was raised to me by {{u|Sro23}} they are technically on a 2 week CU block for vote staking, not for UPE, so I've sent one of them to AfD currently. All of these articles meet the signs of UPE: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timelive&oldid=800784462], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_McPhee_(Ret._Special_Forces)&oldid=800801410], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vantage_FX&oldid=808033308] and in terms of article style remind me a bit of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lilianarice/Archive#16_October_2017|this group]], but that could simply be the likely UPE. Regardless, I would support a UPE block based on spamming, but won't do it myself given that I deleted and then restored a G5. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

*{{la|Adda52}} {{tick}} g4 speedy requested
*{{la|Arslan Sadiq}}
*{{la|Carro Singapore}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
*{{la|The Cherry Dolls}}
*{{la|Daniel Stephenson}}
*{{la|The Delta Riggs}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
*{{la|John McPhee (Ret. Special Forces)}} {{tick}} at AfD
*{{la|Livetecs}}
*{{la|Timelive}} {{tick}} at AfD
*{{la|Vantage FX}} {{tick}} g5 speedy requested
Richardaldinho creations and cleanup includes stuff listed above. I'm a bit confused -- can we g5 these or not? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
::The G5 has been contested by an SPI clerk as he is only blocked now for vote staking. That might change depending on the outcome of [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vierouchka]]. We can either wait to see how that SPI plays out, or PROD/AfD when necessary. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:BLG Logistics ==


* {{ld|BLG Logistics}}
* {{userlinks|Atomiccocktail}}


I wrote a draft of an article about BLG Logistics. This is Paid Edit and also a translation from the de.wikipedia.org. The appropriate information/tags I have already attached.

The draft is not promotional in my opinion. It has a detailed section about the company's history. In addition, the company’s present is shown. Figures are, unless otherwise possible, substantiated by the Annual Report or the Financial Report. This information is subject to financial supervision, misrepresentations would be punishable. Sometimes such corporate sources are only a supplement, because there are corresponding press articles, which are also indicated.

About a feedback, what is ok and what should be changed if necessary, I would be glad. [[User:Atomiccocktail|Atomiccocktail]] ([[User talk:Atomiccocktail|talk]]) 10:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
:Recommend waiting for AfC feedback and going from there. Please do not edit this article in mainspace. Have you read [[WP:Identifying PR]] to make sure you avoid common issues? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 03:35, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== Jama masjid chalakpur ==


* {{la|Jama masjid chalakpur}}
* {{userlinks|Chalakpur}}

I can see a clear conflict of interest in this user. This user has been persistently creating pages related to himself. For example: this user has created [[Jama masjid chalakpur]] which this user's username. [[User:Pkbwcgs|Pkbwcgs]] ([[User talk:Pkbwcgs|talk]]) 10:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== The Software Toolworks ==


* {{la|The Software Toolworks}}
* {{la|Mindscape}}
* {{userlinks|bilofsky}}

I have, and have declared, a COI for these articles, having been the founder of Toolworks, although not associated with it or any software company since 1994.

Is it permissible for me to make minor changes to this article, such as adding a lead section, references or graphics? What about clarifications that do not substantially change the meaning? I would like to polish it without burdening volunteer editors, but not at the risk of my reputation or the article's. [[User:Bilofsky|Bilofsky]] ([[User talk:Bilofsky|talk]]) 23:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:It is advisable that substantive changes, such as adding text, references, and graphics, should be proposed by you on the relevant article's talk page. Editing the article directly for anything bigger than fixing a typo puts you in a minefield that you really don't want to be in. Thank you for doing this the right way. If you have trouble finding other editors to review things you put on the talk page, talk to me and I'll do it. Cheers, [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 00:15, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sport 360 ==

;Pages
* [[Sport 360]] {{tick}} proposed deletion – Bri
* [[Middle East Golf Awards]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[UAE Rugby Player Awards]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[National School League]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[National School League: Cricket]] {{tick}} (proposed deletion)
* [[Sports Industry Awards]] {{tick}} (see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports Industry Awards]])

;Editors
* {{userlinks|Events360}}
* {{userlinks|SPIA Asia MMC Sportz}} (indefinitely blocked)

;Websites
* {{linksummarylive|sport360.com}}

All of the articles listed above, which appear to me to be non-notable events and organizations, were created by the account Events360 who appears to be an undisclosed paid editor focusing on subjects closely related to [[Sport 360]]. I have proposed deletion for a couple of the articles, but would like to have others have a look and see if prod or AFD would be appropriat for any of the others. [[User:PCock|Peacock]] ([[User talk:PCock|talk]]) 13:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
*Worse, those articles appear to be single-sourced to sport360.com. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 23:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== One America News Network ‎ ==


* {{la|One America News Network}}
* {{la|AWE (TV network)‎}}
* {{userlinks|Freemediatv}}

Editor is a [[WP:SPA]] in regards to these two articles about companies owned by Herring Networks. They have only used talk pages twice, once several years ago to tell an IP never to edit the AWE article after the IP had reinstated some critical material[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AWE_(TV_network)&diff=prev&oldid=530125170] and once to reply to my question on conflict of interest on their talk page. Their answer their was unsatisfactory. As you can see on their talk page, I'd asked a general question about the text in [[WP:PAID]] that says "If you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for your contributions to Wikipedia, either directly or indirectly, you must disclose who is paying you to edit (your "employer"), who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship." The response, in the section above my question, was "Freemediatv is NOT related to Herring Networks or any of its holdings." I have two problems with this. One is that "Freemediatv" could be the name of a website[http://freemediatv.com.w3snoop.com/] and my question was about the editor using the name. Secondly of course is that the answer doesn't rule out getting some form of compensation. I asked a second time and got no response. The editor has also recently edit-warred suggesting they feel some form of ownership of these articles. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 15:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

:At what point are we justified in adding Template:UPE to articles like this? Aside from the current activity OANN was originally created by [[Special:Contributions/Gs814 | a SPA who ''never'' edited on any topic other than OANN and AWE]]. Likewise there has been [[Special:Contributions/Dgrise86 | at least one SPA]] active at AWE. (I strongly suspect those two accounts are/were operated by the same person.) It's seems clear what's going on. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 15:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
::Noting 24 hour block handed out at [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive354#User:Freemediatv reported by User:Doug Weller (Result: blocked)|3RRN]]. Block has expired. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
* I suggest we topic-ban Freemediatv from these articles. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:37, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

==[[Abraham Zangen]]==
Appear to be paid editing. Refs added as an afterthought.

The prior version of this [[Brainsway]] had issues.

[[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
:Seems like we have seen several things here lately driven by [[transcranial magnetic stimulation]] devices and technologies. Yes? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Maximiliano Korstanje ==

* {{la|Maximiliano Korstanje}}

This article was started by a [[WP:SPA]], {{userlinks|Vanrobert99}}. Virtually all substantive edits are by a series of IPs with no history other than this article and adding his books to other articles, e.g. {{iplinks|186.129.165.231}}, {{iplinks|181.1.250.204}}, {{iplinks|190.104.232.132}}. The IPs geolocate to Argentina, where the subject lives.

Most of the references are to his own work, including books published via notorious academic vanity press([https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/264518/PRE_PredatoryPublishersSharing_V1_20170404.pdf?sequence=1]) IGI Global.

I would like some support for at least aggressive cleanup if not outright deletion, please. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 12:03, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Urban informatics ==

* {{la|Urban informatics}}
* {{userlinks|Sunday9pm}}

Call me a nasty suspicious bastard, but this article is flagged COI and the [[WP:SPA]] user is ''very'' keen to include a book published by notorious vanity press IGI Global -to the point of rapidly reverting removal despite not having any actual activity on Wikipedia (example: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urban_informatics&diff=prev&oldid=808973565] reverting in less than two hours, despite the user's last edit to Wikipedia being weeks before). [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smart_city&diff=prev&oldid=805822210] also adds an IGI published book. I smell a COI, and at the very least a massive dose of [[WP:OWN]]. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Will be indulging in a massive cleanup/CE soon.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kent Tate ==


* {{la|Kent Tate}}
* {{userlinks|Cheri Brown}}

The entire five-year edit history of user account centers only on Kent Tate, suggesting that she is connected to subject in some manner. The article itself is promotional in tone, including an upload of an excessive number of images to Commons. [[User:Beemer69|'''sixty''''''nine''']] [[User talk:Beemer69|'''• whaddya want? •''']] 03:21, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:The user does seem to be able to use talkpages in the past, and I've politely (non-template) invited comment here. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I constructed this article and have been the primary contributor. I have made efforts to add content that is in compliance. If you can help me to resolve the problems on this page I would be very grateful. [[User:Cheri Brown|Cheri Brown]] ([[User talk:Cheri Brown|talk]]) 17:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Article has been [[WP:DRAFTIFY|draftified]]. [[User:Beemer69|'''sixty''''''nine''']] [[User talk:Beemer69|'''• whaddya want? •''']] 01:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kuo-Chen Chou ==

* {{on afd|Kuo-Chen Chou}}
May be salvageable, but this looks like autobiography to me. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 13:10, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Reedsy]] created by founder ==


* {{la|Reedsy}}
* {{userlinks|Neguev}}

Creator has added a link to his userpage which self-identifies as founder of the firm.
I think he best thing to do is draftify [[Reedsy]] and let it go through AfC. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 16:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Re|Bri}}:-{{Done}} [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::So this was just "re-floated" by [[User:Tomwsulcer]] bypassing AFC and the article history wiped clean, both of which I find problematic. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 15:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
:::The subject [[Reedsy]] is clearly notable. I'm not affiliated with Reedsy in any way so there's no [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. I've been revamping [[Self publishing]] and saw the Reedsy link light up red, and scratched my head. That an earlier version had a COI problem is not relevant here. This is a rewritten article with appropriate sourcing and fluff removed.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 16:20, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
::::From a quick glance, I think ''clearly notable'' is a bit of an exaggeration here. I'd give it a 50/50 shot at AfD, at best, maybe 60/40 in favour of deletion. {{u|Bri}}, I haven't run it through duplication detector yet, but I don't see a clear copyright problem in terms of prose. It appears to be different, and wouldn't necessarily require attribution if it was written independently. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Also, per above, I went ahead and did a BEFORE search and took it to AfD to see what the community thinks. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reedsy]]. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Methinks you're clearly wasting everybody's time here at Wikipedia. It's clearly notable.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 17:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
{{Ping|Tomwsulcer}} When you created the article did you not include in the edit summary that it was "copyedited" and preserved references from the old version? This implies that you used the old version for reference does it not? You '''must''' attribute such material. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:How is this relevant to the discussion? This noticeboard is '''Conflict of interest''' noticeboard. Regarding [[Reedsy]], there's '''no''' conflict of interest at present. I floated the Reedsy article and I have no affiliation with Reedsy. You're wasting people's time here at Wikipedia.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 02:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::If the basis was the article created by a connected contributor, then it is relevant. Copyright is also usually very relevant on this noticeboard because there are questions of ownership of the material and reuse of text that might not be compatibly licensed. If you copied ''any'' text or remixed it in anyway from the previous article, you ''must'' attribute. If you did, you can place a note here and I'll make the edit summary attribution in a way that the draft can be deleted since there is a mainspace article. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::There are no copyright issues with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reedsy&oldid=811087645 Reedsy]. I wrote it.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 02:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Thats not what was being asked: we know you wrote it in its current form. Did you use any or part of the text of the previous version/draft as the basis for the article and rework it? As Bri has pointed out, your edit summary suggests you did. If you did, there ''is'' currently a copyright issue until we attribute. Attribution is easy, and I can do it in less than a minute in most cases, and less than two when it is more complicated. We do need to make attribution if what the edit summary suggests is true, however. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hungarians in the United Kingdom ==


* {{la|Hungarians in the United Kingdom}}
* {{userlinks|Gabor Bartos}}

User:Gabor Bartos has added himself as a "Famous Hungarian immigrants and Britons of Hungarian origin". I've had some email correspondence with him, where he admits he is the man concerned, but he is quite determined to have himself mentioned. [[User:Nigej|Nigej]] ([[User talk:Nigej|talk]]) 16:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

:He'll have to understand that people don't get mentioned on Wikipedia simply because they want it. If he's notable enough to meet [[WP:NPOL]], then someone not connected to him can write an article. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 18:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== DJ MoCity and related projects ==


* {{la|DJ MoCity}}
* {{la|Reggae Rajahs}}
* {{la|Boxout.fm}}
* {{userlinks|username}}

Requesting second opinion/more eyes on this set of related articles. I think the artist has notability (hard to tease out from the incestuous media relationships) but maybe one or more redirects are in order? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
*Looking:)[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 08:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[User:ENKWMS]] ==


* {{pagelinks|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amadeus (record producer)}}
* {{userlinks|ENKWMS}}
This is a very infrequent editor, who began editing in 2013. On his talk page he describes himself as a music enthusiast.

In 2014, ENKWMS left the following message [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ChocoLantern88&oldid=613495454 here] on an editor's talk page: "I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I was asked to make edits on this article by representatives of this person. The information that I am submitting is factual and significant."

This editor created two draft articles, the first about a band called "Live Footage" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Live_Footage_(Band)&action=edit&redlink=1]) in 2013/2014, and the second about the musician Hill Kourkoutis ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hill_Kourkoutis&action=edit&redlink=1]), on July 6, 2016. Interestingly, [[Live Footage (band)]] was successfully created on July 19, 2014, and [[Hill Kourkoutis]] was successfully created on July 5, 2016 by a single-purpose editor.

The concern about paid editing began following [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amadeus (record producer)]]. ENKWMS began leaving messages on user talk pages--in one instance leaving his personal email address--inquiring about how to restore the deleted Amadeus article (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malcolmxl5&diff=prev&oldid=809858959][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beemer69&diff=prev&oldid=809872550][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Bushranger&diff=prev&oldid=809956024][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magnolia677&diff=prev&oldid=809956574]). A caution about COI/paid editing was left for this editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ENKWMS&diff=810014825&oldid=699834265 here] on Nov. 12, 2017. This editor denied any COI/paid editing [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ENKWMS&diff=810306609&oldid=810014825 here]. Thank you. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 11:25, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Nimir ==


* {{la|Nimir}}
* {{userlinks|Xynadyne}}

He has admitted to his closeness to the production team of this film, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=810507140&oldid=810498385&title=User_talk:Kailash29792 through this edit]. [[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|(talk)]] 03:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:Username is the name of their website designer/host; automatic [[WP:CORPNAME]] block. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 16:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Proware ==


* {{la|Proware Technology Corporation}}
* {{la|Proware Epica (RAID series)}}
* {{userlinks|Proware}}
* {{userlinks|Prowaretech}}

Observe the ancient paid editor in its natural habitat. Keep quiet, it frightens easily. This is paid editing from back in 2006 and could use a look. I doubt it meets notability. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|Rob13]][[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]] 15:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== Wessex Institute of Technology ==

* {{la|Wessex Institute of Technology}}
* {{userlinks|Sibbotson}}
* {{userlinks|Alexhamid}}
Bluntly, I think this article is a scam. I am unable to trace any good evidence that this is an actual degree-granting institution, it's "WIT Press" is listed by Beall as predatory, its conferences flag up hundreds of disparaging comments on the interwebs, and virtually the entire article is the wok of two [[WP:SPA]]s. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 01:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

:The article is wondrous, including three (3) pictures of the building and such essential academic facts as "local commoners have the right to graze their ponies" in the adjacent national park. I cut out the travel brochure stuff and a bunch of other badly sourced or unnecessary material. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 01:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

::"Wessex"? [[Thomas Hardy's Wessex|Sounds fictional]]. :-) [[User:XOR'easter|XOR'easter]] ([[User talk:XOR'easter|talk]]) 04:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== KDS4444 ==


* <s>{{la|Tom Paradise}}</s>
* {{la|DynaRig}}
* {{la|Conso International Corporation}}
* {{userlinks|KDS4444}}

KDS4444 has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&type=revision&diff=810807064&oldid=810806269 community banned] for leveraging OTRS access into solicitation of paid editing. Concerns were brought up during that discussion that undeclared paid editing may have occurred. We probably should have some due diligence in checking over at least his most recent contributions. I've listed three creations just to kick off a discussion. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I didn't see any evidence of undisclosed paid editing. Is there any evidence that I missed? KDS444 was very open about the articles they had been paid to edit. Of the list above, they specifically denied being paid to edit the now deleted [[Conso International Corporation]] article, and acknowledged payment for [[Tom Paradise]]. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 02:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::You are right, Paradise was declared. I have not done a significant look yet and just came across another editor's concern at AN. The specific comment was "how certain are you that all paid edits have been declared? I strongly suspect they have not." BTW I was not involved with the KDS matter at that time, and did not contribute there. So this is kind of fresh for me and unresearched. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::No problem. I haven't seen any evidence to support the claim that there was undisclosed paid editing going on, and I'm left thinking that if there was KDS4444 would have declared it as they declared other articles which would not have otherwise been identified. Part of the problem is that we can never be sure that an article wasn't paid for, but similarly if there isn't anything to go by - such as a job ad, articles created by users who should not have had that much skill on their first edits, or self disclosure - it is almost impossible to tell if it is the case. Thus I tend to fall back on simply general principles - if it is overly promotional or of questionable notability, we should address the articles under those terms, but otherwise just go with what works best for the project. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 03:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Maybe. I haven't wrapped my head around this yet, it is such an egregious abuse of a position of trust. Which is why I felt it must be brought up at the one noticeboard created explicitly for such abuses. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 03:43, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::The actions on OTRS were abysmal. My difficulty here is that there no evidence of undisclosed paid editing, and no method of determining if it did occur. So I'm not sure of how this can proceed. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 04:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Heads-up: I'm planning to write up this case and probably the Mister Wiki case as a news item for upcoming ''Signpost''. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 17:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''--I will agree with Bilby on the point that KDS444 did not seem to have indulged in any UPE.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 16:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* comment. I think KDS4444 had pretty low standards for N and for sourcing anyway, which makes it very hard to distinguish his normal editing from paid editing. I think this is part of what made it so confusing for him that his paid edits were not received so well. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Mister Wiki ==

{{discussion top|This has largely manifested in the ArbCom case at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Mister Wiki]].And, I think we're {{green|done}} over here, at least for now.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 05:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)}}
A newish paid editing company has been created called Mister Wiki ([https://www.misterwiki.com/ website]). This company [https://www.misterwiki.com/faq/ says] that they honor the disclosure policy: "{{tq|All of Mister Wiki’s jobs are fully transparent and disclosed on Wikipedia, in accordance with their [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure paid editing guideline].}}" (too bad they call it a guideline, but whatever)

And indeed, the following two editors have disclosed editing for the company per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Mister+Wiki%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&searchToken=1pyika9px15aeqam07fbfpl3h this search]:
* {{Userlinks|Salvidrim! (paid)}}
* {{Userlinks|Soetermans}}
* {{Userlinks|WolvesS}} ('''NOTE''' this person's employer is not clear. Was added subsequently to this being filed by TonyBallioni in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=next&oldid=811257744 this diff]. Worked on Studio71 and executive articles for sure)

They have directly edited the following articles:
* on behalf of the Shahidis; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&type=revision&diff=808998205&oldid=808763183 diff] {{la|Justin Bieber}}
* created: {{la|John Shahidi}}
* created: {{la|Sam Shahidi}}
* created: {{la|SnackNation}}
* {{la|Datari Turner}}
:: rejected AfC submisssion was fixed up by Soetermans with disclosure and moved to mainspace by Salvidrim (Salvidrim [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJytdog&type=revision&diff=811176648&oldid=811176207 said] that this was prior to his being involved with them.)
* {{la|Dan Weinstein (business executive)}} -- at AfD [[WP:Articles for deletion/Dan Weinstein (business executive)|here]]
:: task was getting tags removed per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FDan_Weinstein_%28business_executive%29&type=revision&diff=811137639&oldid=811119078 this diff]. Also per that diff, the strategy was to put through AfC. Was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_%28business_executive%29&type=revision&diff=809903636&oldid=808293822 draftified] by Salvidrim with disclosure, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=809903723 accepted at AfC] by Soetermans <s>(no disclosure, have an inquiry pending)</s> (per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this], not for pay, but via off-WP discussion among wiki-friends)
* {{la|Reza Izad}} -- at AfD [[WP:Articles for deletion/Reza Izad|here]]
:: same deal as above, task was getting tags removed per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FReza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811137637&oldid=811118319 this diff]. Also per that diff, the strategy was to put through AfC. Was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=809903726&oldid=808293802 draftified] by Salvidrim with disclosure, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=809955148 accepted at AfC] by Soetermans. <s>(no disclosure, have an inquiry pending)</s> (per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this], not for pay, but via off-WP discussion among wiki-friends)
* {{la|Studio71}}
:: just some minor tweaks, directly made.

Am posting here so folks can review the created articles especially, as they have not undergone prior peer review.

Have been having a long discussion with Salvidrim at my TP at [[User_talk:Jytdog#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay]]. Inquiry at Soetermans' TP at [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves]]. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 04:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:Rgd [[:File:Datari Turner studio.jpg]] uploaded by Soetermans, a) why is it hosted on enwp not Commons and b) where is the OTRS permission from the copyright holder? [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 04:44, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Tagged as missing permission. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 05:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::Hi everyone, I've tried to explain the AfC situation on [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves|my talk page]]. I am truly sorry for that mess. For the other articles, I'm just going to take a step back and let the community decide if they're okay. Further more, I've made edits to [[Arne & Carlos]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arne_%26_Carlos&type=revision&diff=811112286&oldid=765707762 diff]), but I haven't received payment yet, which why I haven't added the disclaimer just yet. There is also an article in [[User:Soetermans/sandbox|my sandbox]] on [[Overwerk]], an article that has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overwerk&action=edit&redlink=1 deleted repeatedly]. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I've dediced to not do any paid editing until this is resolved (I might still receive a fee for Arne & Carlos, when I do, I'll update my user page accordingly). I've been a longtime member of Wikipedia and do not want to risk damaging my reputation and credibility any further. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 10:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

:Oh dear. This isn't going well so far. The swapping of "favours" between Salvidrim and Soetermans is particularly concerning and they are clearly conflicted even if they are not specifically paid for the edits. I'm at a loss to think how such experienced users thought that this would be acceptable. I also find [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&diff=808998166&oldid=808763183 this edit] to [[Justin Bieber]] problematic (better seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justin_Bieber&type=revision&diff=811239201&oldid=810868497 this diff]) as it placed undue weight on the topic Soetermans was being paid to write about into a highly trafficked article - a classic example of spamming. I need to look in more detail, but the Shahidi brothers don't appear to be notable independent of their company. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 10:55, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::I have no excuse. When {{re|Salvidrim!|p=}} asked me I had my concerns (see [https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23722336_10155550101956117_1185410769138560226_n.jpg?oh=fcfac2b5c1f73de7a7f980bba54767d4&oe=5A9FC4CB this screenshot]) from our Facebook messenger conversation). I thought that the articles were notable enough and that it would be okay. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 11:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{re|TonyBallioni|p=}}, that image was used by {{re|Salvidrim!|p=}} on [[User_talk:Jytdog#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay|Jytdog's talk page]] with my permission. I assumed it would be okay to use it here as well. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 13:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I've restored it since both parties have confirmed on-wiki that they are fine with the release. That was not immediately clear from your post. Sorry for any confusion. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 13:55, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::No problem, I should've said so right away. Thanks for restoring the link to the image. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 13:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Nice to see how pally and keen you are to "help each other out". I'm seriously concerned about this, and will be investigating these edits -- [[User:There'sNoTime|There'sNoTime]] ([[User talk:There'sNoTime|to explain]]) 13:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

*I'd be much less concerned about the Salvidrim/Soetermans interactions if Salvidrim were not an admin, and had he not recently run for RfB as well. It's possible that this should be brought up to the wider community. It's also possible that he should stop reviewing AfCs, and also stop NPP (if he is involved with that). Soetermans should stop doing either of those as well. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 11:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Articles_for_creation%2FParticipants&type=revision&diff=811167587&oldid=810708744 been removed] from AfC. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 11:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::As far as I am aware, mere removal from a list of participants doesn't stop you or anyone from reviewing AfCs or accepting drafts or moving drafts to mainspace. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 12:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Oh right. Well, whatever the outcome of this discussion might be, I won't come near AfC for the time being. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 12:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Removal from the list means you can't use the AfC helper script, which makes accepts pretty annoying to do (though any autoconfirmed user can of course move drafts to mainspace.) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talkó tuó mió]]) 16:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*I've added {{u|WolvesS}} to the list of users here since they also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:WolvesS&oldid=809896210 declared] on these articles, and were the author of Dan Weinstein, one of the articles that was accepted by Soetermans. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW, WolvesS authored both Reza Izad and Dan Weinstein (and wrote part of Studio71) before MisterWiki's involvement, directly on the behalf of Studio71 -- originally without declaration but after I pressed them by e-mail they've added the declaration you linked to. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 14:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, it does further my suspicions at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CMCreator900]] that he is part of an undeclared paid editing ring, yes. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:26, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*{{u|Jytdog}}: your update with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASoetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 this diff] raises more questions than answers for me. I get how contractor relationships vs. employment relationships work, but I have very serious concerns about two editors working for the same firm (though technically unpaid for the specific edits) assisting each other and "returning the favour" to publish their articles from draft space. The claim that an administrator solicited another paid editor from the same firm to "return a favour" and AfC approve articles that he had been paid to contribute to is in my opinion just as troubling as the recent OTRS drama if not more so.{{pb}}This is stretching the limits of the TOU in my opinion and show why we need a clearer local policy on these things. At the very least, I think that admission is conduct unbecoming of an administrator and personally, I think {{u|Salvidrim!}} should resign the sysop bit. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 16:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::When I brought the two drafts up to Soetermans we both expressed concerns about the appearance of collusion but both ended up thinking that because the drafts looked fine and we were acting in good faith, everything would turn out okay. This was an error of judgement: careless, naive optimism that good-faith justifies all. Yes, I fucked up by allowing a fellow paid editor to review the AfC drafts that another paid editor had created and which I was paid to clean up. No, an editor being paid to accept a draft (or accepting the draft of a fellow editor paid by the same outfit even if they are not paid themselves) is not okay and constitutes a perversion of the AfC process, whether the intent was truly to deceive and bypass policy or not -- as Jytdog has said, what matters is appearance, and there is no way that what transpired here can appear proper or rule-abiding. No, I don't think an admission of fucking up by thinking everything was fine when we shouldn't have is grounds for beheading. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 16:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::This is probably the ''most'' tense policy area of the community right now. We just site banned an OTRS agent for soliciting payments through that system, and there is currently a village pump discussion on people with advanced permissions not using their rights, but using their position within the community to evade scrutiny.{{pb}}You as a sysop actively asked an AfC reviewer to move an article you had been paid to edit out of draft space for you because you thought {{tq|it's just kinda sad to leave the client waiting for potentially weeks}} and stated that {{tq|the whole point of moving them back to draftspace was so that they could be afc-okayed and mainspaced again without the npov tags without having to go through WP:COIN}}. You also said before this that it {{tq|feels like if someone was was looking for another reason to complain about paid editing, we'd be handing them one}} (Note: from FB messenger conversation both parties have agreed to disclose on-wiki).{{pb}}You ''knew'' this would be looked down on by the community, and you did it anyway. From a policy perspective you didn't use any of your rights, sure, but you did ask an AfC reviewer to use their position to review an article that you had edited for pay from the same firm that they were also being paid to edit Wikipedia from. Is that violating any of the written rules? Maybe, if you want the song and verse, {{u|Doc James}} gives an interpretation below. Regardless, I think what is clear is that you clearly broke the spirit of the rules of the single most controversial subject on the English Wikipedia currently with the explicit intent of benefiting a client, knew it would be controversial, and did it anyway. That is a breach of the trust we place in administrators and is why I think you should resign as a sysop. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 17:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{tq|you did ask an AfC reviewer to use their position to review an article}} Soetermans reviewed those two drafts literally minutes after receiving the AfC rights. So it's seems like Soetermans got the rights to circumvent the process for Salvidrim. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talkó tuó mió]]) 17:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*Paid editing does not JUST require the prior exchange of money for concerns to have occured. Our TOU states "[https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use/en any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation]"
*Thus one should be disclosing before the actual exchange of money. The disclosure should occur as soon as any expectation of compensation is present.
*Doing something to help a partner make money with the expectation that they will help you make money in the same way is "compensation". This is the problem with paid editing and thus Sinclair states correctly "[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!]"
*I support [[User:TonyBallioni]] request for Salvidrim! turning in the sysop bit. These sorts of activities have a significant potential to harm our shared brand. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* I concur with TonyBallioni and Doc James. Nothing prsonal, but in my view paid editing and the sysop bit are mutually incompatible. Paid editing itself is a bone of contention, with a sizeable proportion of the Wikipedia community opposed to it entirely and for excellent reasons, I think going back to RfA with an open admission of editing for pay would be the only way to do this ethically. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 17:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Every on-wiki action I took against expectation of compensation has been properly disclosed on [[User:Salvidrim! (paid)]]. Datari Turner predates any involvement with paid editing or any expectation of compensation or return-of-favours. However in the spirit of transparency if you'd rather I add it to the list nevertheless, I don't have any objections. I maintain that I don't think an admission of fucking up by thinking everything was fine when we shouldn't have is grounds for lynching but I understand that anti-paid-editing advocates might see this as further confirmation that paid-editing is a monster to be vanquished. If there ever is consensus that admins cannot also be paid editors no matter how much separation there is between the two roles, then of course I shall abide by that policy (and judging by VPP, it may well be heading that way). In the meantime, I won't already pre-decide which role I will hold on to (although if I had a gun to my head and 30 seconds to decide I'd cease paid editing and continue as an admin), should it become disallowed to do both. FWIW, I have been receiving nothing but praise for my admin actions as of late so I don't think there is any sentiment amongst the community that I am not fulfilling these duties adequately, all concerns stem solely from the dual roles and that's why I am keenly following the ongoing VPP discussion. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 17:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Salvidrim, starting to use the language of "lynching" and martyrdom here is not helpful to you, and is going very much down the wrong path. (this is exactly the path KDS4444 chose, and it led him to do things that led to an indefinite block [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=811286057#Paid_editor.2C_resolutely_trying_to_get_paid.2C_including_using_OTRS_to_solicit_people_looking_for_help at AN]). Please be ''resilient'', like we expect of admins, and ''hear'' the problem. You did not understand your own COI nor that of Soetermans, and you used bad judgement and based on that bad judgement you did bad things. You didn't respect your own COI - the ''structure of the situation'' - nor the processes that the community has put in place to manage COI. (As Guy says, it is a ''not personal'' -- it is structural) You thought you were above all that, and you did backroom dealings between the two of you on a process with advanced privileges, instead of doing things correctly.
:::We ''trust'' admins to have good judgement - that is the essence of granting the bit and what gets hashed over at every RfA. An admin who believes they are "above it all" is dangerous for anything, but especially on paid editing where there is the active external interest affecting judgement.
:::By putting yourself above it all -- above the COI management process -- you left yourself, and your office, and AfC, naked and exposed to that external interest, and you made corrupt decisions. The COI management process protects ''everyone'', including you. But you have to submit to it.. to come into it. Down here with the community. Because you are in a structure where we trust you, and you are putting yourself in a position of conflict of interest by choosing to edit for pay, you in particular need to be so, so clear that you will allow that COI to be fully managed and will be ''rigorous'' about that. While I believe that you understand the ... way what you did ''looks'', what I (and i think everybody here) is looking for, is that sense that you are aware that COI can and has affected even you. The way you keep bringing up doing things in "good faith" is showing me, at least, that you don't ''see'' that your good faith is maybe not so "good" when you have a COI (when you have a client you want to help). This is the actual heart of the matter. Please understand that. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Everything you have just said, I fully agree with. I underestimated the COI by thinking naively that because nobody seemed to be intentionally being nefarious, everything would turn out fine -- perhaps you would call that self-delusion or magic thinking. I've disappointed many people for, in the end, a mere handful of bucks, and it really makes me sad and angry at myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where I am facing the opprobrium of fellow community members whom I hold in high regard. I am ashamed that I thought myself a paragon of integrity and believed myself "stronger" than any COI and fully able to manage it rigorously and without flaw, which evidently was not the case, since I ended up being proven human after all. I thought I was better than this, but evidently I underestimated the difficulty of the challenge. I apologize unreservedly for the disappointment. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:26, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::This is the self-insight i was hoping to hear. Yes you are a human :) Thank you so much. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: Le sigh. I am afraid you missed the point. The declarations you made would be sufficient for the normal grudging acceptance of paid editing, but that was not the point. This is about whether admins should engage in paid editing. I think it is unlikely that the community would be in favour, but the only ethical and honourable way to find out is to resign the bit and run another RfA on the basis of full disclosure of paid status. I urge you to do that. It is the decent thing. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 18:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::There certainly is emerging consensus on VPP against the use of permissions in the expectation of payment, but what is much less clear cut is about admins doing paid editing ''at all'', let's say without the use of tools. This is a general concern that is larger than just my own case and the ongoing RfC seems to be the appropriate venue for a "[[WP:Paid editing policy]]" to be hashed out. "Whether admins can engage in paid editing" is a question both you and I would much like to see the community agree on, sooner than later, for everyone's sake. I'm not saying "no" and/or "yes" to a new RfA and/or to resigning adminship to continue paid editing and/or to ceasing paid editing to continue admin duties and/or to retiring altogether ''right at this minute'' because I don't like making hasty, emotion-driven decisions in the middle of turmoil, but I'm not closing the door definitively on any option. And neither am I dismissing or disregarding your feedback. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::I respect that re: time, but the concerns aren't just that you were paid to edit. It's that you intentionally went around our guidelines in a way that seems aimed to look like it's in line with our norms here but actually might constitute paid advocacy meatpuppetry. That is a major concern. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 18:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yes, a major fuckup. There's been worse, of course, but still. A major fuckup. Failing to realize what I saw as good-faithed collaboration amongst friends basically amounted to paid editing meatpuppetry. No avoiding that. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:08, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
{{ping|Salvidrim!}} - you should also withdraw your reviewer status from AfC. To both Salvidrim and {{ping|Soetermans}} full transparency would go a long way toward earning forgiveness. In other words, either of both of you could write up a couple of pages on what it is like to work for a paid editing firm? how you made contact? how assignments were made, how do you get paid? where you got your sources for the articles? were new sources created - i.e. published in "RS" just so they could be included? Get down to the nitty-gritty details and we'll all learn something.

As far as a "WP:Paid editing policy", I'll suggest anybody who wants to start a discussion. It might be added to [[WP:Paid editing disclosure]] or simply refer to it. The obvious things to include are:
*the bright line rule (no editing by paid editors in article space), which is a long time part of [[WP:COI]] - but almost everybody - including admins - seems to think they can ignore just because it is "just a guideline".
*no paid use of advanced tools
*(feel free to add some more here - but the simpler the better in order to get it passed)

[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 19:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Smallbones]] Soetermans has been beautiful after all this emerged. Very upfront and completely understands what they did wrong. Please go read their TP. And Primefac withdrew the AfC privilege from Soutermans arlready -- that is done. In my view the only remaining issues are those around Salvidrim and progress on that is happening all above and below... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::Until English Wikipedia adopts an [[:meta:Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies|Alternative paid contribution disclosure policies]] (here are [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure#Changing this policy|specific directions on how to do that]]), the currently enforced policy is [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure]], which specifically says that of the details surrounding the paid editing, it is only [[meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure|required is that you disclose your employer, client, and affiliation]]. If EnWiki ends up adopting a stricter policy, then so be it. I don't intend on writing essays on the topic. However, some "nitty-gritty" details: contact was via e-mail & facebook, payments through paypal, we're talking amounts around 10$ to 20$, and lastly I can't speak about "where you get your sources" since at this time I haven't actually edited any article content against payment. Your assessment that "no mainspace paid editing is a brightline rule" also seems to be inaccurate, as the current "strongly discouraged" wording versus your perceived "clearly disallowed" spirit has been the subject of countless debates in the past that haven't resulted in "disallowing mainspace paid edits altogether" (I could be wrong on this, please point out the consensus if there is one I haven't found). [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::[[User:Salvidrim!]], I understand that this is a position you have held for a long time perhaps, but please step back from that for a minute and think about it, especially in light of this shitstorm and what you wrote above about being human and even you being affected by COI and about rigorously following the policies '''and guidelines''' around your paid editing work. The COI guideline is very clear that people with a COI are '''very strongly discouraged''' from editing directly, and should put edits through prior review on the talk page of existing articles or through AfC for new articles. What you are going through, is exactly why. This is an essential part of COI management in WP and protects ''everyone''. Disclosure + prior review in light of the disclosure. It is also the standard in academic publishing. Please reconsider your position on this. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 19:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Oh, hey, sorry if I wasn't clear enough above -- I would actually support a proposal to change the policy from "strongly discourage mainspace paid edits" to "definitively disallow mainspace paid edits", ''especially'' in light if the experience I went through which has somewhat opened my eyes to the fact that even the bestest of intentions doesn't absolve one from having to carefully manage COI. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 20:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::It is lived policy for much of the community. Yes we need to get it that condensed into writing. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
*{{ec}} [https://www.misterwiki.com/our-services Their website] explicitly begins {{tq|With 10+ years of experience on Wikipedia}}. Assuming they're not lying about that figure, I can only see three possibilities; either:
*#Despite their "full disclosure" claim, whoever's behind this is in fact an experienced Wikipedia editor who ''isn't'' disclosing their edits;
*#One of the three paid editors [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] has named here as admitting connections to this site is actually operating the site, and hasn't disclosed that fact;
*#This is a reboot of an earlier (and likely banned) paid-editing farm, given a fresh coat of paint.
:None of these alternatives is very pleasant, and unless I've missed something extremely obvious there's something extremely dubious going on here. While I opposed the change to the Terms of Use and have long been firmly in the "better to allow it and have it out in the open" camp, I recognize that the community disagree with me. I can't see any permutation of possibilities here in which someone, somewhere, isn't acting in extreme bad faith; if the rest of us are expected to comply with policies regardless of whether we personally agree with them, this particular gang should be expected to as well. ‑ [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 19:21, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::I'm fairly sure what he touts as "10+ years of experience" is just a way to say "we work with editors who have 10+ years of experience" but I agree that choice of words is very poor. For having personally interacted with the guy behind MisterWiki, I can tell you he's definitely not a Wikipedia editor but is a very much identified young guy working PR in the music industry (and others). I wouldn't have agreed to work with unknown or unidentified parties. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 19:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

===Timeline===

The actual timeline goes like this.

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=804962761&oldid=804962659 12 October], other editor submits Datari article (probably paid, we haven’t talked about this person)
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&diff=next&oldid=804962761 12 October], submission declined
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=805588998&oldid=805009246 16 October] Soetermans starts working on the Datari article
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&diff=prev&oldid=806105106 19 October], Soetermans does the AfC “submit”

(based on what Salvidrim wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=next&oldid=811213901 here] and what Soetermans wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soetermans&type=revision&diff=811227763&oldid=811206375 here], Soetermans didn't want the client to have to wait so asked Salvidrim offline to review -- the quote from Soetermans was "{{tq|I asked Salvidrim asked personally to okay the draft version of Datari Turner on October 20th so Turner, Mister Wiki and I didn't have to wait for a month for the article to be up again.}}”. But look at the actual timeline above...

* 3:24 October 20 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Soetermans&type=revision&diff=806163267&oldid=806114239 diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Soetermans&diff=next&oldid=806163267 diff] Salvidrim accidentally (he [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811200466 says]) reverted and then self-reverted the disclosure of paid editing on Soetermans userpage.
::Meant to hit thanks, accidentally hit Rollback. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=806163618&oldid=806144938 3:27 October 20] Salvidrim accepts the AfC submission - note that there was no PAID disclosure on the article, and Salvidrim placed at the TP in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Datari_Turner&type=revision&diff=806163669&oldid=806163627 this diff]

*Note that Salvidrim says [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811176648 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=811178413 here] that he had been in no contact with Mister Wiki directly before then.
::(and also on {{noping|Salvidrim! (paid)}} now [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))

* Nov 1 Salvidrim created the Savidrim! (paid) account and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/Salvidrim!_(paid) granted] pending changes reviewer, rollbacker, page mover and confirmed user rights to his new paid account with edit note {{tq|confirming my legit alt (intentionally not giving autopatrol since that has been controversial in the past)}} (TonyBallioni noted this)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&oldid=808254043 1 Nov] Salvidrim disclosed that he was starting to work for Mister Wiki on Studio71 note — [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Misterwiki_transparent.png 6 Nov] Salvidrim uploads the Mister Wiki logo to WP and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&diff=next&oldid=808382425 adds] the branding to his disclosure page. he is all in, apparently.
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=Salvidrim%21+%28paid%29&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 Nov 1] Salvidim (paid) uses the page mover right to move client's page to preferred branding. (noted by TonyBallioni)

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&oldid=807095093 21:36 25 Oct] Izad (Studio71 executive) article created by WolvesS
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&oldid=807095035 21:36 25 Oct] Weinstein (Studio71 executive) article created by WolvesS
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=807203774 2 Nov] Weinstain tagged by JJMC89 for N
::(and NPOV [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=807296770 2 Nov] Izad article tagged by JJMC89 for N
::(and NPOV [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 21:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC))

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&diff=prev&oldid=809904030 12 Nov] Salvidrim discloses the two executives articles at his userpage
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=prev&oldid=809903636 12 Nov] Salvidrim draftifies Weinstein article using page mover right
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=prev&oldid=809903726 12 Nov] Salvidrim drafties Izad article using page mover right

(this is apparently when the complaining about waiting happens on the facebook chat disclosed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=next&oldid=811213901 here])

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=prev&oldid=810455217 10:19 15 Nov] Soetermans signs up for AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=next&oldid=810455217 14:21 15 Nov] Primefac accepts Sotermans at AfC (note, later removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants&diff=next&oldid=810684485 here])
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=810479376&oldid=809903723 14:31 15 Nov] Soetermans accepts the Weinstein article with no changes
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=809955148 14:34 15 Nov] Soetermans accepts the Izad article with no changes
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=810762902&oldid=810510485 17 Nov] JJMC89 tags Weinstein for N
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=810762778&oldid=810510498 17 Nov] JJMC89 tags Izad for N

* The two bullets below are among the two that are most upsetting to me. Note this diligence on behalf of the client to get the tags removed, but zero diligence to protect AfC and indeed citing the corrupt AfC. And putting pressure on an independent editor who is looking out for the project. Upsetting.
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJMC89&type=revision&diff=810794033&oldid=810621738 13:56 17 Nov] Salvidrim asks JJMC89 at his talk page to remove the N tag, citing the AfC
**[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JJMC89&diff=next&oldid=810794033 2:07 18 Nov] Salvidrim follows up witih JJMC89
:::FWIW, I expected JJMC89 to either tell me how he wanted the page fixed for the maintenance tag to be removed, or to take it to AfD, which is what he ended up doing. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Salvidrim! |Salvidrim! ]] ([[User talk:Salvidrim! #top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Salvidrim! |contribs]]) 21:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=810793899 18 Nov] JJMC89 nominates Izad for deletion
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=810762902 18 Nov] JJMC89 nominates Weinstein for deletion

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811007629&oldid=811005160 18 Nov] salvidrim makes initial !vote at Izad article, notes his “integrity” and cites the AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811008083 18 Nov] Salvidrim makes 2nd comment at Izad article, again citing his reputation
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=811020000&oldid=811005601 18/19 Nov] Salvidrim makes initial !vote at AfD for Weinstein, notes his “integrity” and cites the AfC
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&type=revision&diff=811042113&oldid=811039939 19 Nov] Salvidrim makes 2nd comment at Weinstein AfD

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&type=revision&diff=811024863&oldid=810966445 19 Nov] JJMC89 notes on Jytdog TP that Salvidrim is editing for pay, for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Should_Wikipedians_be_allowed_to_use_community_granted_tools_in_exchange_for_money.3F the list at VPP] - that kicks off a dialogue with Salvidrim in which all this became clear

* 19 Nov Jytdog asks [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811009168 at Izad AfD] and asks [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811042113 at Weinstein AfD] if Salvidrim is being paid for this AfD work
* 19 Nov Salvidrim gives more-or-less yes answer [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811118319 at Izad] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811119078 at Weinstein], discloses that the client wanted the tags removed and putting through AfC was Salvidrim’s solution
* 19 Nov after figuring out the AfC timelines Jytdog noted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Weinstein_(business_executive)&diff=next&oldid=811146443 at Weinstein AfD] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&diff=next&oldid=811147241 at Izad AfD] that AfC review was tainted
* etc.

5 bullets below added in this diff. Not sure this is the best outcome of these matters and am posting here so others can review. Also the continued and ''immediate'' lobbying by Salvidrim is hard to understand in light of everything that else that has been happening. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
* 20:50 Nov 20, [[User:DGG]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FReza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811311534&oldid=811263117 starts to close the AfD] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Reza+Izad&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 deletes the Izad article] (that is a link to the deletion log). At the AfD DGG [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Reza_Izad&action=history per the history] hits a snag with the formatting in the AfD (Salvidrim had added a hat that messed up the closing bracketing).
* Apparently DGG made a mistake using the deletion tool and deleted a bunch of stuff (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=DGG&page=&year=2017&month=11&tagfilter=&subtype= DGG deletion log])
* 20:53 Nov 20 Salvidrim (not paid) opens discussion at DGG's talk page about the Afd formatting snag; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DGG&oldid=811430499#AfD_closure_template_bug section here] and that evolves into discussion about the mistake DGG made using the deletion tool, which also includes Salvidrim suggesting to undelete to keep redirects related to Studio71, which DGG agrees to do in the context of fixing the other errors (see deletion log above for the Izad thing)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reza_Izad&type=revision&diff=811312202&oldid=811003776 20:54 Nov 20] Salvidrim (paid) creates a redirect at the Izad article after DGG undeletes it. (so the talk page is deleted, the article page is not)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studio71&type=revision&diff=811313360&oldid=811311551 21:02 Nov 20] Salvidrim (paid) added the pictures of the two executives to the Studio71 article.
:::Your post just made me notice the Reza Izad revisions were mistakenly ALL restored. The intent was for it to be deleted, and a single revision for its recreation as a valid redirect to the article where he's mentioned. The other previous revisions should ''all'' be deleted per the AfD. (Obviously I won't fix it myself). The AfD closure then re-closure really made a mess of things for sure.
:::As for the edit to Studio71, it wasn't paid or asked for, but I still think that there is no reason not to promote the use of good freely-licensed pictures in the article where the people depicted are mentioned (it's hardly uncommon for company articles to include freely-licensed pics of key founders), and I only did it with {{noping|Salvidrim! (paid)}} due to the past association existing. I consider this remedial edit a form of apology for the mess and scrutiny that the two human article subjects had to go through by my fault, when they should have remained declined AfC drafts instead. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 17:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Remember the whole "judgement" thing that this all about? C'mon man. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
* See also
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soetermans&oldid=811285606#AfC_moves Thread] at Soeterman's TP
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&oldid=811283692#Re:_people_with_privileges_who_edited_for_pay thread] at my TP with Salvidrim
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WolvesS&oldid=811310903#Paid_editing_-_full_disclosure thread] at WolvesS' TP, which I have only just opened.
::No point reaching out to {{noping|Jlauren22}}, the creator of the Datari article, as this is very clearly a throwaway sock.

-- I also want to give kudos to [[User:JJMC89]] who handled all this with a cool head and with grace. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 20:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:And I will add. It is so mind-numbingly mundane to get drama from paid editors over fucking tags. All this fucking drama over fucking tags. And people trying to get fucking paid to remove fucking tags. What a waste of... everything. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 20:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
* [[:File:Taking a break... (8077275351).jpg|Oh geez.]] Yeah. Umm. That's less than ideal. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 21:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Hi everyone, I just had evening class and I'm heading home currently. I've been trying to follow the discussion. Are there any questions people want answered specifically? I'll try to reply tomorrow. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 21:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi - thanks for checking in. Not from me. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 21:50, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Soetermans}} I think Salvridimi completely misunderstood me above. I'd just like to get some basic facts about how paid editing works on Wikipedia, from the paid editor's side of things. Could you could write up a couple of pages on what it is like to work for a paid editing firm? how you made contact? how assignments were made, how do you get paid? where you got your sources for the articles? were new sources created - i.e. published in "RS" just so they could be included? Who did you contact at the paid editing firm? How much were you paid for an article? How many co-workers were you in contact with on-Wiki? What were your instructions? What were you told before you signed up? Did they mislead you on this?
::::Do you now think there should be a clearer "[[WP:Paid editing policy]]"?
::::[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 01:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::Hi {{re|Smallbones|p=}}, sure, I don't mind. Where and how would you like to see it? [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

* I've been sideways following both the discussion here and at Jyt's talk. So, after a good deal of thought, here's my down and dirty. Even if ''every single other aspect'' of the checks out as 100% above the table, [[User:Salvidrim!|Salvidrim!]] using their access to assign advanced rights to an account '''''specifically registered to make paid contributions''''' is an abuse of the tools. Full stop. Actually using them only makes it worse. No user who showed up at PERM with {{tq|I'm a COI editor, and I'd please like some extra buttons so I can push them to make myself some money}} is going to get them. They wouldn't get them because no clear minded sysop is going to give it to them. This account got them here because we didn't have a clear minded sysop; we had a sysop with a conflict of interest. This alone is enough for me to strongly suggest resignation '''''as an act of mercy to save us the trouble'''''.
:Besides that, essentially {{tq|I have a conflict of interest, but you can trust me because I'm a sysop}}, explicit or implied, is a flagrant abuse of position. COI does not have a ''good intentions clause''. The question of your integrity is already settled when you decide to heavily weigh in on an AfD '''''that you wouldn't have know about to begin with if you didn't have a COI'''''. With only these two points considered, I would plead with you personally to resign, because I don't like ArbCom, I've never filed a case there ever, much less to desysop someone, and I would much rather never have to figure it out, but if no one else does, I will. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 23:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for your feedback. I don't believe I've ever said something analoguous to "I'm paid but trust me, I'm an admin", although of course it's impossible to avoid people gathering that fact implicitly. As for the rights I've granted my alt: Confirmed is standard and basically meaningless; rollback is a convenience (redundant with Twinkle which anyone can use); pending changes reviewer I agree should go (I didn't really give it a second thought), removed it now; autopatrol has alway been no-go (and with the "no direct mainspace creations" policy likely to pass soon, won't serve any purpose anyways); so I guess the only user right that really is the object of debate is page mover, which I can't see how paid editors could really abuse, the only usefulness in my eye is for draftifying pages without having to get someone else to G6 the leftover mainspace redirect, and perhaps moving drafts out of user sandbox and into draftspace without having leftovers in userspace. If the concern is user/draft moves to mainspace, that's not okay whether or not a redirect is left behind, meaning page mover has no impact. So if it's really a point of controversy I don't mind removing it and having to CSD leftovers, I just don't think it's a problem either way. :) [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: Sorry, but I don't accept this. Back-channel communication with spammers is a terrible idea. Especially for an admin who is also engaged in paid editing. I mean, really, objectively terrible. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::What? What "backchannel communication with spammers"? [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} You directly executed a round-robin move on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Studio71&type=revision&diff=808254142&oldid=807184931 Studio 71 to Studio71]. This is a stylization change, which is not an uncontroversial move (I've been taken to move reviews over periods in titles before.) This is what your client was branded as, yes, but that might not be what community consensus and our naming conventions determine that it should have been named. By granting yourself page mover access, you were able to bypass review of this move by other editors either at [[WP:RM/TR]] or at a full [[WP:RM|RM]]. This was a use of tools you granted your paid account from your personal admin account to bypass a community review process in order to make the page title match the preferred brand stylization of your clients. This was not just something that you did accidentally, you were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvidrim!_(paid)&oldid=808254043 specifically paid] to execute that move, and had granted yourself page mover rights 4 minutes before making the disclosure that you were paid to move the article. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks, the fact I honestly believed the move to be totally uncontroversial similarly highlights how much I let the COI influence me despite beliving myself true and uninfluencable. I removed all user rights from the alt. Community processes provide absolutely necessary oversight which should not be bypassed by paid editors. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 23:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} No, don't thank me. I'm not doing you a favor. I'm not doing anything that gives me any pleasure either. But I don't think you understand. What I am saying is that you have made a series of decisions that calls into serious question your ability to use the tools in an impartial and responsible manner, and a series of decisions that eliminates the confidence in your ability to exercise the measure of community trust given to you. I am not offering constructive feedback to help you improve yourself as a person or an editor. I'm certainly not offering feedback that will allow you to more effectively make personal gain off of Wikipedia while you hold one of the higher positions of community trust the project has to give.
:::I am '''''telling you''''' that you will either resign the tools, or I will set in motion a discussion to have them taken away from you. The only acceptable responses are "Yes, I will resign the tools" or "No, you will have to take them away from me". [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 00:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::My answer is that I don't think this single fuckup in which I wrongly believed myself "too good to mishandle COI" means I am incapable of fulfilling adequately the duties of an admin. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 00:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Roger that. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 00:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::hey [[User:GreenMeansGo]], I appreciate your passion on this. I do. My sense is that Salvidrim is looking at this mess (and I really think he is looking at it) and where it came from with respect to how he thought about himself and about how Wikipedia works, and is rethinking things... and he is doing that in public, and in the glare of a lot of attention. Which is really fucking hard. Please give this some time.... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::As it happens I'm busy this week. Happy Thanksgiving. Should be plenty of time to consider where the priorities are. I'd like to find some answer that resolves this without me having to read for three hours about how to file an ArbCom case. An answer that involves both paid editing an the mop is not one that resolves this. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 01:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

[[User:Salvidrim!]], would you be willing to pledge to completely and unconditionally abandon any paid or [[WP:COI]] editing, and not to use your admin rights in connection with any [[WP:COI]] editor? That might go a ways toward addressing some of the concerns raised here. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 01:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:This is exactly the question I have been asking myself. I'm likely going to end up doing just that, but please let me think over my shit for a day or two. I'd rather have a well-thought-through commitment than a hasty one. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I know you said you were busy {{ping|GreenMeansGo}}, but would you care to share your thoughts on how acceptable you think this proposal to be? [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::If you need to think about it, then block your paid account and remove all rights in the interim, but understand that the fact that you need to think about it means I've probably lost all respect for you for the foreseeable future. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 01:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::If the fact I prefer to carefully think things through instead of taking rash emotional decisions makes you lose respect for me... whatever. Let me sleep on it at least. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 02:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::GMG really, there is no need for big drama. We can wait a few days. If you take some time and learn about Salvidrim you will see that this is not a small thing for him, to have this go so awry. On the bell curve of community opinion about paid editing, he has been -- very publicly (e..g [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2016/Candidates/Salvidrim!#Question_from_User:Doc_James here] in an Arbcom election Q&A -- over on the positive-towards-it slope for a long time, and i think his lived experience has given him some things to think about. To really think about. Please give him space. Please. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 02:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::[[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]], the fact that I'm surprised to find you on the other side of the argument actually makes me take your position more seriously. But I have to disagree nontheless. I think there is a precise and regrettable need for exactly this drama. I don't think I need to tell you this in particular, but maybe it helps to have it said.
::::I am not at all comfortable with user with COIs having access to specifically OCRP, the admin toolkit, and AfC, in that order and across the board. Having someone actively use that access to further paid editing is beyond toleration in a way that involves little nuance. ''Trust'' is far and away our most valuable commodity. It's something we stockpile because it's what makes this thing work. It's valuable precisely because ''it's not for sale'', and putting a price tag on it doesn't just affect individual users and articles; it affects the bedrock of trust.
::::None of this is in the interest of attacking any individual. We've already lost one long time editor, probably permanently, and we seem certain to here to lose a sysop. No one wants to see these things happen, but it is an acceptable if lamentable loss if it is necessary to protect the integrity of trust, because the integrity of trust is more important than any one contributor. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 12:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::My remarks to you here have been just asking for you and other folks to not make immediate demands on Salvidrim nor to escalate immediately. Two reasons for that -- the first is to give Salvidrim time to think, and the second is because we don't know what he will come back with, per my note [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=811364840&oldid=811363997 below]. While what has happened in the past is very clear (and I ~think~ we have laid out all the key events and interactions, but I should spend some more time to see if i have missed anything), the question of what Salvidrim intends to do in the future is something that everybody in the community will be thinking about and will change how this looks in the eyes of the community. It will. That is how this place works.
:::::In general, when the community considers taking actions against editors (blocks, bans, and i would say even removal of privileges) it is about preventing future harm. I brought KDS4444 to AN because he had no insight into the problems he was causing - he didn't understand COI and what it was doing to him when he edited under it nor why people were reviewing his paid edits -- and the disruption over managing his ever-growing pile of COI edits was never going to stop in my view. With regard to what he did at OTRS, future damage was prevented by removing his access, and the harm he caused WP in the eyes of the people with whom he interacted there cannot be redeemed... but what bothered me the most was the place in him from which the decision was made to abuse OTRS that way. That was unredeemed as well. I don't want a person like that in the community.
:::::If Salvidrim comes back here and says that he will give up paid editing and he really sees all the harm he has caused, and "the lights are on" with respect to ''the place in him where these bad judgementa and actions came from'', I don't think I will support a desysop. The way I think about people, I trust people ''more'' who make mistakes and are able to a) see the mistake, and b) see ''why'' they made the mistake; c) can articulate that clearly and without bullshit.
:::::I do get it that for some people what Salvidrim has done is an irredeemable breach of trust and they want his bit stripped no matter what decision he comes back with.
:::::I also think that if he wants to keep the bit, him doing that by resigning it and getting re-certified through an RfA is probably the best thing for him '''and the community'''.
:::::If he wants to keep the bit and won't voluntarily resubmit to RfA, and this becomes an Arbcom case, a lot will depend on ''how'' the case is brought and conducted (will it be "hey look at this" or "you must strip his bit!") and there are serious risks in my view (i think about risks a lot and try to manage them!). First, if it becomes ugly and antagonistic, it will probably harm relationships among editors here long term. Second if the outcome is that he keeps the bit, it risks confusing and de-solidifying the community consensus around these specific issues. And third, there has always been a faction of the community that doesn't care about paid editing (it is getting smaller and weaker in my view) but one of their lines of arguments is that people who do care about it are moralistic witch hunters who ''themselves'' cause disruption. If he comes back "with the lights on" and the Arbcom case gets ugly, and he keeps the bit at the end of the case, that line will be able to sing much louder. Which in my view is not good for the long-term effort to move community consensus toward stronger and more clear COI management. (and all these risks of badness are why i think Salvidrim should voluntarily resign the bit and go through a new RfA - if he decides to keep it and won't do that, I think there will be an Arbom or some other case ... and this is really not good for anybody and will require yet '''more''' time on this matter. I am very much hoping he sees this)
:::::Of course if there is an Arbcom case it could be conducted well and ends in a way that clarifies and consolidates consensus too.
:::::Those are the kinds of things I am thinking about. Lots of "ifs" on top of other "ifs". But very much with an eye to long term movements in community consensus around COI management and paid editing, as well as what is best in this specific situation. Trying to think through all those things. We all look at things differently.
:::::But more than anything, we should just be waiting at this point, and discussing various options if people want to. Not making demands or escalating ... not until Salvidrim comes back and lets us know his intentions for the future. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 15:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::There are, at this point, more than a dozen calling for a resignation. Most after my own comments, but my comments stand on their own, and I would have no qualms about being a lone standard bearer were it the case. There is no resolution to this month long sustained poor decision making that is not a resignation or an ArbCom thread. If they want to stop paid editing, then they are welcome to do so, regain the community trust, and get it back. But there is no world in which we allow someone to have the bit when it's not even clear they can be trusted to have access to AfC, and were this not a sysop, they probably would have already lost AfC as well as OTRS without a thought. I'm sorry they made the decision that their standing in the community was worth a few dollars, but that's the decision they made, and have repeatedly not seen any issues with glaring problems until they are spelled out for them in grotesque detail. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 16:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I think he is horrified with what he has done now that he sees it. Being human is weird that way - we can do that to ourselves. I agree that an Arbcom case is very likely if he doesn't voluntarily resign the bit. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 16:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Reiterating my earlier note for all parties in this thread so it doesn't come as a surprise: I'm planning to write up this case and the paid editor/OTRS case for the upcoming ''Signpost''. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I don't know when your deadline is, but if it's got at least a few days, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have that haven't been adressed here. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 01:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Negative three days, officially. I guess nothing at this time, maybe after you make your decision on what next steps to take. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 01:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

* I ask everybody to make sure you have read [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AConflict_of_interest%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=811291294&oldid=811289694 this diff] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=next&oldid=811292585 this diff] by Salvidrim, in the midst of this flood of words. I think this thread is kind of done until we hear back from him. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think the discussion is "done". While disclosed paid editing by administrators is still a grey area, engaging in the further previously undisclosed activities and favors as Salvadrim has done, even if he now agrees he fucked up, means he has for all intents and purposes probably lost the community's trust. I think that would be how this would play out if it went to AN, ANI, or ArbCom. This is especially true of someone who ran for RfB four months ago under a platform of "what the hell". Why run for RfB? Was he a paid editor at that time? My sense is that if this whole scenario went to AN, ANI, or ArbCom, what would happen for Salvadrim would be a de-sysop and a topic ban from AfC and NPP. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I hear that, totally. But the situation is not stable right now. (please just have a look at his [[User:Salvidrim!|current userpage]], for example) Please consider --Salvidrim might come back here and say - "I intend to keep on editing for pay, and I want to keep my admin bit." He might say - "I am going to stop editing for pay and I will not start again without getting prior consensus. Please forgive my breach of trust and let me earn it back." He might say, "I am giving up my bit and becoming a paid editor." Or something very different. I think folks will have very different responses to each of those, don't you?
:::(btw, I didn't say "done", I said "kind of done until we hear back from him."...) [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 04:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I agree the ball is in his court, but at the end of the day the situation boils down to this: did Salvidrim! in his actions cause a breach of the community's trust in such a way that in order to function as an administrator he needs to show he still has it through a new RfA. I think he has, and that he should resign and resubmit to an RfA with all of this out in the open if he thinks he still has the community's trust. If he thinks this isn't necessary, the only forum that can resolve that question is the Arbitration Committee.{{pb}}This is true even if he says he will not edit for pay in the future, because a breach of trust did occur on the meatpuppetry and the assigning himself user rights which were used to bypass community processes for actions he was directly paid to make. I don't want to pile on, and I ''do'' respect that he is taking this seriously and is thinking about all of his possible responses. I also appreciate how focused you are on him as a person, Jytdog, which is something we sometimes miss in these discussions. I don't think we can have much more conversation here about what to do until he lets us know what he is thinking, but I also think it is important to him to make clear that it is very possible that the next step from here is an arbitration case request: AN or ANI really can't do anything in regards to the trust question. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Briefly, I think this is a good plan: resign sysop and stand for new RfA. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 04:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::I agree completely with [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] here. Paid editors reviewing and accepting each other's AFC submissions shows a serious lapse of judgment that I think is incompatible with the community trust required to remain an admin - and I think the only honorable response here is to resign the admin bit and re-run for RFA. (And I'll echo Tony's suggestion that, failing that, an arb case request seems likely.) [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 07:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::::::I too agree with {{u|TonyBallioni}}, and echo the calls for a resignation of the bit and a re-rerun at RfA. I have no trust in the editor, and their access to OTRS is now concerning (given we've all been shown how easy it is to solicit work from there) -- [[User:There'sNoTime|There'sNoTime]] ([[User talk:There'sNoTime|to explain]]) 08:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*I'll keep this brief because I said enough over the KDS4444 issue that resulted in an indef block and ban: In no way is holding advanced rights of any kind compatible with editing for money or reward or helping anyone else to do it. It would be putting a fox in charge of the henhouse. It dosn't matter what good he might have done for the project, Salvidrim! has lost the trust that was invested in him as an admin - just for starters - and any other trust as an editor has gone with it. The choice is clear, either he hands all his tools in, or Arbcom will do it for him and the end result there may even be a block and a ban. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 12:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

===On the nature of paid editing===
Hi everyone,

Just for readability's sake I'm going to start a subsection in this discussion. I've been thinking a lot about paid editing and COI. I'm not trying to be melodramatic here, but my reputation on Wikipedia is important to me. I've been talking with {{re|Jytdog|p=}} on the matter on [[User_talk:Soetermans#AfC_moves|my talk page]], and I agree, I completely fucked up with the AfC thing, thinking that notability would somehow take precedence over neutrality and transparancy. One of my paid articles, [[Datari Turner]], is up for [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Datari_Turner_(2nd_nomination)|deletion]]; {{re|Smartse|p=}} said they're wondering about the notability of the articles on [[John Shahidi|John]] and [[Sam Shahidi]]. To try and avoid any confusion or any other repercussions, I have some questions.

*[[WP:COI]] says that "COI editing is strongly discouraged", and [[WP:PAY]] says that paid editors are "very strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly". Instead, paid editors should use {{tlx|request edit}} or by posting a note here at COIN. Instead of being actually paid to edit, paid editors would get paid to ''ask others'' to do the editing for them. For instance, I've been asked to expand and update the article on Norwegian design duo [[Arne & Carlos]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arne_%26_Carlos&type=revision&diff=811112286&oldid=765707762 diff]). That took me a little while to get done, and I think it would be unfair to ask other editors to do the work for me ''and'' me getting paid for their work. Is there another possible way to communicate any paid edits? What about using drafts first? Or a "paid articles for creation"?
*What is the use of a COI maintenance template, when it's already established that there's paid editing been done? The [[Template:COI|documentation]] says "Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning." [[WP:WTRMT]] No. 6 says "Some neutrality-related templates, such as {{tlx|COI}} (associated with the conflict of interest guideline) and {{tlx|POV}} (associated with the neutral point of view policy), strongly recommend that the tagging editor initiate a discussion (generally on the article's talk page), to support the placement of the tag. If the tagging editor failed to do so, or the discussion is dormant, the template can be removed". Should there be an additional discussion, even when a paid editor has disclosed they have been to do paid editing on the article?
*I fucked up with the AfC situation. For my actual paid edits, I have been [[User:Soetermans#Paid_editing|transparent]] about them, and I've tried to be neutral and objective while writing them. Now I'm wondering, is it actually possible for an experienced editor to do paid editing? It's not even that I ''want'' to do paid editing at this point -- I've been an editor for over ten years and were paid to edit seven articles since October 2017 and there's this whole mess -- but there are plenty of people and companies out there that are notable by Wikipedia's standards, but don't have any volunteer writing about them. I thought ''I'' could help improve Wikipedia, help them out and make a little money on the side. I thought I did. I'm honestly asking, because I don't know anymore. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 08:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{tq|thinking that notability would somehow take precedence over neutrality and transparancy}} I don't think this is the most important point, but I'd like to point out that both articles you reviewed would have taken me two minutes to decline as non-notable. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 08:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I see your point. With those AfC moves, I wasn't being payed (I wasn't even asked to do so by Mister Wiki), but I wanted to help Salvidrim! out. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
* {{yo|Soetermans}} I'll just say that it is possible to do paid editing. Not ideal, but possible. But it does mean that your actions are in some way presumed to be potentially compromised, and it requires oversight (of the ordinary type, not [[WP:OVERSIGHT]]) by someone who is impartial. It also means that you should not be involved in functions that involve that oversight capacity, as AfC does. The real problem with COI not not necessarily malicious bad faith editors out to abuse Wikipedia. Those are fairly common and usually exceptionally easy to spot. The more difficult problem is that a COI can make good faith editors do corrosive things unknowingly and with the best intentions. I think that, more than anything, is probably what happened here, and all this is a good example of how paid editing is possible, but doesn't mix well with also being a volunteer who at some level occupies a position of respect. [[User:GreenMeansGo|GMG]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo|talk]] 13:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for assuming good faith towards me. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
**The COI template is a request for an independent person to fully review the content in question. As the quality of paid editing is generally very poor this is generally required. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 13:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{re|Soetermans}}{{ec}} {{tq|I think it would be unfair to ask other editors to do the work for me ''and'' me getting paid for their work.}} This is a very valid question. Take a read of [[WP:BOGOF]] ("buy one get one free") for [[User:Bri|Bri]]'s take on it. As you noted, {{tl|request edit}} is available, but don't expect a quick response!
::Templates are primarily there to alert the reader to potential problems. The fact that paid editing has been disclosed means that there can be no dispute about the relevance of adding {{tl|coi}} and there is no need to explain why it is necessary. In other cases the coi may be less clear and rquires a note to explain. Even if there are no obvious problems with the current content, unless the subject has been researched by another editor it's impossible to know whether or not the article is written from a NPOV. Obviously that takes time...
::It certainly is possible for an experienced editor to write for pay, but you have to tread very carefully and be aware that some editors consider it distasteful, regardless of policies and guidelines. {{noping|CorporateM}} was pretty successful, but saying that he was hounded away from editing in the end. I understand how you can see this could be a win-win, but the volunteer time that is required to ensure that content is neutral is considerable and inevitably when we have money on our minds, judgement is compromised - poor sources are more likely to be used, notability standards lowered and content leers towards promotion. I don't think that there is anyway round that. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 13:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::[[WP:BOGOF]] makes perfect sense, even when it's done by a disclosed paid editor. Other editors still need to double-check if the article is at all notable, or if it has any promotional/advertesing tone to it. So [[WP:PAY]], in my opinion, is a bit vague. Paid editors are strongly encouraged ''not'' to edit COI articles directly, but can request edits. It's almost like paid editors are more like paid Wikipedia lobbyists. Does that make any sense at all?
:::Well, the COI maintenance template goes back to the first point, in that other editors still need to check the article. I get that. While I can proclaim I'm being as objective as possible, there's still a COI.
:::If paid editing is possible, I think it can only be done with extreme patience. How does the community feel about only allowing drafts for paid edits, for COIN to go over? I know this still sounds like the community and COIN still has to do more work, but in that case, there's direct oversight. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::(ec) I'm sorry, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=811233586 this, just yesterday], is just taking the piss. Context: [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTop]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTopSEO]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTopSEO.com]], [[Special:Undelete/OverTheTop (company)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (company)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (digital agency)]], [[Special:Undelete/Over The Top (digital marketing)]], [[User:Larddwe]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Scorpion293]], [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jamesflare]], [[User:Simonconrads]], [[User:Willo523]], [[User:Lizziehnazo]].
::*{{spamlink|overthetopseo.com}}
::Blacklisted and regex salted. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 13:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::If I actually had done some research first, I would've known that trying to create an article on Sheetrit was near impossible. I understand how that might've come across, and I apologize. As you can see from [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|my contributions]], I decided to hold off on making any possible COI edits after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=811239859 this statement], including [[Arne & Carlos]], which I was still working on. [[User:Soetermans|soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A '''TALK''']] 14:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::With respect to paid editing, our readers expect us to be independent of the topics we write about. If we become less and less independent our reputation will be harmed. Paid editing thus does not risk harming **just** your reputation it risks harming the reputation of all of us, and thus why many of us are against those with advanced privileges being allowed to take up the practice. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 13:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*Using AfC help reduce promotionalism, because it adds an extra layer of scrutiny before NPP. But it does not decrease the burden on the community, because it requires that extra round. Most article submitted to AfC, especially by obviously promotional editors, require multiple rounds of review at AfC before they're ready to go into mainspace--and promotional editors tend to resubmit articles many times without improvement, and thus require multiple unproductive reviews, and finally the extra step of using MfD to remove them one at a time. Outside COI editors trying to promote themselves will often give up after a few tries; paid editors in the past have sometimes argued to the last ditch to keep the work from being deleted (I think some of this may be due to the typical contract offering refund if removed before X months-- which gives an obvious incentive to use every tactic to delay, even for the most hopeless. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 18:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

===Salvidrim===
Not going to make any resignation announcement today, or tomorrow, or this week. See [[User:Salvidrim!]]. I'd be happy to come to an agreement on some level of community sanctions w/r/t paid editing (such as no more paid edits, no approving paid AfCs/edit-requests/PERM-requests or whatever else needs to be agreed upon) but many commenters above have said there were not interested in discusing that: they want desysopping by shame or by force. I still don't think the COI mishandling (resulting in the AfC collusion or alt-perm assignment) requires desysopping; the AfC collusion could have happened with or without the admin tools, and the alt-perm mistake was acknowledged and reverted (and not particularly griveous or requiring an emergency desysop). I don't think there was a pattern of abuse of tools of behaviour unbecoming of an admin (which is what ArbCom usually looks for). I do think there was a mishandling and underestimating of how strongly and openly COI needs to be tackled and reviewed, and am happy to discuss what restrictions should be put in place to ensure it doesn't become a recurrent problem. This is probably the last I'll say for a while on-wiki unless there is agreement to resolve this with community sanctions (to be agreed upon), or if I end up having to defend at ArbCom. [[User:Salvidrim!|Ben · Salvidrim!]] [[User talk:Salvidrim|✉]] 18:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

*Noting for the record that the [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Mister_Wiki|Mister Wiki Arbcom case]] was opened by TonyBallioni in the last 24 hours ({{diff2|811461652|permlink}}). ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 21:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::yep, at 19:38, Tony Ballioni filed an Arbcom case request. I cannot say that I disagree with that, based on the post above. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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===Extended discussion===
:This is becoming almost a repeat of the [[user:KDS4444]] case. The community does not want want a desysopping by shame or by force, they just want the natural consequences of abuse of trust to be carried out. Notwithstanding, it will also serve as an important example and warning to all other would be paid editors. On Wikipedia, rank does ''not'' have its privileges, so please don't be lulled into a false expectation of leniency because you are an admin - in fact many editors would demand even harsher treatment of those with positions of trust. You don't have much choice - you are not in a position to dictate the terms of what happens next, plea bargaining doesn't come into it. With your action you have lost the community's trust vested in your access to special user rights. KDS couldn't have his sysop bit removed because he wasn't one, but all his others, including OTRS were revoked, with everything terminating in an indef block and ban. That's what will be called for at Arbcom if you prefer not to fall on your sword. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 22:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Indeed. Seeking to avoid doing the decent thing is so very 2017, isn't it? [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Salvidrim you misused your admin tools by giving your new "paid" account special privileges. This was a completely "involved" move. You combine that with exchanging approvals at AfC with a paid editor from the same firm with the belief that this should technically get one around policies regulating paid editing and yes we have an issue.
:::Do we need to explicitly spell out every single thing a paid editor is not allowed to do? This is like KDS arguing "well you have no rule against me using OTRS for making money from those emailing in asking for help". Some things we simple expect admins to know. [[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 00:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
*This might be a [[teachable moment]] for the community at large thinking about paid editing. From private discussions with other editors who have considered this, I think there are definitely under 5 people doing successful inside-the-lines paid editing. Yet here we have two cases in a row where we have lost otherwise productive and valuable community members because they were unable to follow the guidelines around paid editing. At some point do we revisit the cost-benefit equation? ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 00:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::Are you willing to name those 5ish? I might have some to add... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:::We do not need a cost/benefit study. We're not that desperate for editors that we have to put the foxes in charge of the henhouse or be lenient with those that only eat chicken or two because they were hungry. Humour apart, the only way to combat paid editing is to outlaw it completely. 99% of it is underground anyway, and we're not doing too bad at smoking some of it out, especially if it involves users abusing special privileges. Paid editing has more than enough hallmarks to raise sufficient curiosity. If we can continue to catch enough of it, it might be a signal that paid editing doesn't pay, particularly when they find themselves having to refund their customers. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 06:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== DeviceLock ==


* {{la|Data loss prevention software}}
* {{la|Data breach}}
* {{la|USB flash drive security}}
* {{la|List of data breaches}}
* {{la|Cloud storage}}
* {{la|Cloud computing security}}
* {{ld|DeviceLock}}
* {{userlinks|Ashot Oganesyan}}

I've cleaned up all the articles in mainspace from this person's spamming. Obviously here to promote the company. I have [[User_talk:Ashot_Oganesyan#Conflict_of_interest_and_paid_editing_in_Wikipedia|tried to open a discussion]], but crickets so far.

I've nominated devicelock.com for the spamblacklist but until that goes through I don't want to get into edit warring with this person. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:I will be keeping my watch on the user'd contributions.No worries:)[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 09:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Anybody who reads Russian might like to check out [[:ru:DeviceLock]] to see if that is spam or otherwise bad.

I have already put their logo up for deletion on the Commons due to its implausible claim to be licensed for unlimted reuse and modification. Surely no company would be that silly? The user who uploaded it is not the user above. He has uploaded similar logos for the same company and had them deleted before. --[[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 19:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:The [[:ru:DeviceLock]] article is very well written. It is extremely comprehensive without being a hard sell. Obviously written by someone with an extremely intimate knowledge of the product, probably company director Ashot_Oganesyan ([https://www.anti-malware.ru/interviews/2015-09-03/16673 see him here]), who supplied the very similar advertorial that is used in all the sources. If the company needs a text for a product brochure, this would be it. It's clearly part of an organised marketing campaign. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 21:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Andrew McIntosh (professor) ==

* {{la|Andrew McIntosh (professor)}}
* {{userlinks|WikiJonathanpeter}}
* {{userlinks|Ipadmasterman}}
I removed some predatory journals fomr this article two days ago. Up pops WikiJonathanpeter, who has not edited since March, to revert. I reverted, and in comes Ipadmasterman, with his grand total of four previous edits, all back in July, to revert again. I smell socks. Oh, note that WikiJonathanpeter's few other article edits are all to biblical topics. McIntosh is notorious as a creationist. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:40, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Whatever you think of the guy or the credibility of the source is irreverent. The source was written by the guy and expresses his view. This is the best evidence you'll get for ones view. Whatever you think of the guy, please be humble and let his views be expressed [[User:WikiJonathanpeter|WikiJonathanpeter]] ([[User talk:WikiJonathanpeter|talk]]) 23:56, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
::: What I think is, actually, relevant, because unlike you I am independent of the subject. This is now at [[WP:ANI]]. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 23:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
: The article was created as a Coatrack a while ago. I and another guy set out to change it. Unfortunately, there are those who would want to get back the article to how it use to be. [[User:WikiJonathanpeter|WikiJonathanpeter]] ([[User talk:WikiJonathanpeter|talk]]) 00:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Just noting that [[User:WikiJonathanpeter]] has been blocked for socking, but not [[User:Ipadmasterman]] [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 01:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:Socking is not what is going on here. [[User:WikiJonathanpeter]] is a separate entity that I have no connection with. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ipadmasterman|Ipadmasterman]] ([[User talk:Ipadmasterman#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ipadmasterman|contribs]]) 02:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
*'''Comment'''-The article seems to be good, at least as of now.Has watchlisted.[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|''Winged Blades'']][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric| Godric]] 09:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: It might ''seem'' good, but it still lists one publication in a predatory journal. We should not be driving traffic to these abusive firms. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 10:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Luke Harding ==


* {{la|Luke Harding}}
* {{userlinks|DinaNagapetyants}}


I note that the user DinaNagapetyants who removed the section about the proven plagiarism by the professional anti-Russian journalist Luke Harding, a plagiarism that was admitted and apologised for by the Guardian, where the plagiarised material was published, is herself a writer for the Guardian who co-wrote an anti-Russia article with Mr Harding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/20/natalia-potanina-vladimir-potanin-ex-wife-russia-richest-men-divorce

Surely this conflict of interest should have been declared at the very least? It's a clear abuse in my opinion: censorship of an embarrassing but obviously notable fact - because proven and well-sourced (see the talk page) plagiarism by a notable journalist is always notable - by a person who 1) professionally collaborates with the article's subject in his explicitly partisan (in Mr Harding's case, anti-Russian) journalistic discourse, 2) by co-writing articles for the same employer who 3) published the plagiarism and apologised for it, and 4) without this clear non-neutrality being disclosed.

To be clear, Dina Nagapetyants has two undisclosed conflicts here, her relationship with the Guardian and her relationship with Mr Harding.

Consider this a complaint against Dina Nagapetyants as well as a request for the reinstatement of the suppressed material in some form. I think Dina Nagapetyants should also disclose if she discussed her edits of Mr Harding's page with Mr Harding.

Dina Nagapetyants has also made her pro-Harding bias clear on her talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DinaNagapetyants where she rejects criticism (not from me) of her evident bias on the Luke Harding article. For example: "for his recent book Mr. Harding has received universal acclaim" - an egregiously sycophantic claim that is factually false - no partisan work receives universal acclaim.

[[Special:Contributions/121.72.181.139|121.72.181.139]] ([[User talk:121.72.181.139|talk]]) 03:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:User:DinaNagapetyants made only about 50 edits from June 6 - June 15, 2016 and hasn't edited since. I doubt we can do anything that addresses your complaint against her. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 03:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::You're probably right, but the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Harding&diff=725064368&oldid=725064157 section] about plagiarism was removed and never replaced. Not brilliant sourcing, but evidently two sources - Private Eye and Newsweek have noted plagiarism. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 13:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::Right, I see that now: every single one of her edits was to the Luke Harding article where she had this undisclosed conflict of interest or to her talk page defending those edits, with the single exception of her own one-line user page. Can she just be locked out of editing this particular article? That would solve the problem, and it's worth doing because her inactivity could well end if changes are made to the page about her friend that is her sole focus on Wikipedia. I would also like to see the plagiarism section restored; I read SmartSE's comment as justifying this. I'd do it myself but I'm just a humble IP address and loath to enter a potential edit war with Mr Harding's friends. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.72.181.139|121.72.181.139]] ([[User talk:121.72.181.139#top|talk]]) 06:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Chronic fatigue syndrome article — longstanding editor Sciencewatcher has a potential COI ==
{{archive top|Inappropriate forum: [[WP:COINOTBIAS]] ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 22:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)}}

* {{la|chronic fatigue syndrome }}
* {{userlinks| Sciencewatcher}}


The Wikipedia article on the disease myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) has for many years been an area for edit disputes, due to the controversial nature and circumstances of this disease. Given the controversy, one would consider it prudent to check whether any of the regular editors might have conflicts of interest. Thus on the article talk page (where COIs are usually discussed), I asked two of the longstanding regular editors of the ME/CFS article whether they have any potential conflicts of interest, which is a legitimate and important question. The text of the ensuing discussion on the ME/CFS talk page can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chronic_fatigue_syndrome&oldid=811420506 here]. This link is a diff link ([[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has deleted one of my comments on the talk page, but the diff link contains all the comments).

Note that I am not a Wikipedia editor and I am not involved with the editing of the ME/CFS article, but thought it would be a good idea to ask the regular editors of the ME/CFS article (those who have been editing it for many years) whether they might have a COI.

One regular editor ([[User:Doc James|'''Doc James''']]) was happy to provide a clear statement that he has no COI, which settled that matter simply and easily. However, the other regular editor ([[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]]) refused to provide any statement regarding possible COIs, even though he was asked several times. This raised some suspicion, and so I made some background checks, and found that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] does indeed possess potential COIs: [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has a published academic study (as a single independent researcher), a published book (available to buy on Amazon) and a website which all clearly advocate what is termed the ''psychogenic view'' of chronic fatigue syndrome.

The heart of the controversy about ME/CFS are the two competing views of the aetiology this disease: the view that ME/CFS is a psychogenic "all in the mind" condition versus the view that ME/CFS is a biologically-caused organic disease. Thus the fact that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] has something of an external career as a promotor of the psychogenic view, and is selling a book expounding and advocating this psychogenic view, would appear to introduce a potential COI, especially in an area like ME/CFS which is surrounded by controversy.

When I put it to [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] that he has a book for sale on Amazon advocating the psychogenic view of ME/CFS, he completely denied this. But I know for fact that he does have such a book for sale, and can provide a weblink to it. So he appears to be trying to cover up this potential COI on the talk pages.

In order not to reveal identity, I will not post here any weblinks to his academic study, his book for sale on Amazon, and his website, but I will send those links, as well as the real life identity of [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]], to you by email if required.

Thus this is a request for COIN to look into this case, and consider whether these circumstances surrounding [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] represent a COI. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 15:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:You don't seem to have provided any evidence here, just your own bad-faith ([[WP:AGF]]) speculation. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 15:55, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::What exactly do you mean by evidence? I can provide links to his book, website etc, on request.

::Good faith was indeed assumed, and any statement by [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] declaring no COIs would have been accepted on good faith. However, [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] repeatedly refused to provide such a statement. Since it is simple and straightforward to make such a COI statement, and would have settled the matter there and then, it was perplexing that [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] should refuse to give one. On investigation, I discovered he had written a book which is for sale that expounds the same psychogenic views that he advocates on the Wikipedia chronic fatigue syndrome article (as well as several other Wikipedia articles in which the same psychogenic vs organic controversy exists), which may in itself constitute a COI. [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] then lied about not having such a book (which does make one wonder whether good faith is appropriate in this case), and he has still not been courteous enough to volunteer a statement regarding whether he has COIs or not. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 17:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Twelve pings to science watcher in two posts seems like [[wp:badgering]] and [[wp:harrassment]] to me. You've had your answer at the talk page, and still provided no evidence. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 17:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

::::What is a "ping"?

::::[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] you don't seem that experienced in these COIN cases, judging by the absence of your username in the history page, so it would be nice to hear from people who are more experienced, who might also be kind enough to answer my question regarding what is evidence, which you didn't. At the top of this page, is says "Post here if you are concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using Wikipedia to promote their own interests at the expense of neutrality." That is my concern, and the reason I posted here. So I am asking the more experienced people here to look into whether [[User:Sciencewatcher|sciencewatcher]] may be using Wikipedia to promote his own interests at the expense of neutrality. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 17:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::A ''ping'' is what you did to me above, causing me to be notified at the top of any page I visit on the project that somebody has mentioned me. You dont get pings because you dont use an account. you sent twelve pings to sciencewatcher. Hint:- count the number of times you linked sciencewatcher's name in your two posts above. as to the rest of your bad faith comments. Aha haha, hahaha. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 17:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::::You should probably AGF and assume the ip doesn't know that linking a username pings a person rather than assuming that they're trying to badger Sciencewatcher. (after all, it isn't exactly obvious that even linking someone's name pings them) [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 18:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
===Is this a COI matter?===
46.208, I think you are mistaking COI for [[WP:Expert]]. Knowledge of a subject matter area does not imply any conflict of interest. The conflict comes in when one expects to gain something by editing here, or has "divided loyalties" as an editor wrt Wikipedia's mission to be an accurate and unbiased source of information. Asserting (without evidence) that an editor has written a book in no ways establishes COI. I'm concerned that this noticeboard may be misused as a bludgeon to "win" a content dispute by silencing other editors: [[WP:COINOTBIAS]]. That's not its purpose. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 18:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

:Thank your for your response, Bri. Just to clarify: are you saying that (1) the issue here is that I have not provided evidence that that sciencewatcher has actually published a book? The reason I have not posted links to this book, website and paper is because at the top of this COIN page it says "''Be careful not to out other editors. ... If revealing private information is needed to resolve COI editing, and if the issue is serious enough to warrant it, editors can seek the advice of functionaries or the arbitration committee by email''."

:Or are you saying that (2) even if sciencewatcher has published a book, that alone is not sufficient evidence for a COI? It is the "divided loyalties" issue that I think could be a COI problem with sciencewatcher: when reading his book, website and published academic paper it is clear he is a strong proponent of one side of the chronic fatigue syndrome controversy (the so-called psychogenic view of ME/CFS), and is strongly against the other side of the controversy (the view that ME/CFS is a biologically caused disease). Thus outside of Wikipedia, sciencewatcher appears committed to one side of this polarized controversy. So this is where it seems that a COI may arise. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 19:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::It is good to avoid [[WP:OUTING]] and I don't have a great answer as to what do do with that information other than to read the OUTING link. I don't think e.g. the functionaries mail list is appropriate under to the circumstances. What I see you describing, again just above, "a strong proponent of one side" is definitionally a (potential) ''bias'', not a conflict of interest. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 19:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Bri, for clarifying the issues. [[Special:Contributions/46.208.234.40|46.208.234.40]] ([[User talk:46.208.234.40|talk]]) 20:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
: Insistence on the term "myalgic encephalomyelitis" automatically marks you out as one of the warring parties. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a 100% medically accurate and value-neutral term, unless you are entirely devoted to the belief that it is encepathomyelitis and cannot possibly be anything else, in which case you are not basing your belief on the evidence. I am not aware of any evidence that this is objectively proven to be a form of encephalomyelitis (feel free to fill a gap in my knowledge there). The use of pejoratives like "all in the mind" and "psychogenic" is profoundly unhelpful. I don't know anyone who believes that. All we know is that (a) nobody actually knows what the actual aetiology is and (b) some CBT techniques appear to help. That's not a surprise: self-reinforcing cycles are a problem in any disorder that either causes or is caused or is exacerbated by mental state. I've had PTSD, I have experienced this first hand. Oh, we know one more thing: there are some people, a minority, for whom the mere suggestion that the condition has any psychological component whatsoever is utterly unacceptable, to the point that they will attack anybody who even thinks about trying CBT as part of palliative treatment. I trust you are not one of those people. Fellow admins can look at the deleted history of {{la|Simon Wessely}} to see what I mean. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Christ! I just found out that we had forgotten to revdel the worst of it. Fixed now. Admins, take a look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simon_Wessely&oldid=28310923&unhide=1 this] to see what I mean. Probably the worst BLP violation I have ever seen. [[User Talk:JzG|Guy]] ([[User:JzG/help|Help!]]) 22:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Jigsaw Records ==

* {{la|Jigsaw Records (UK company)}} — Notability an promo concerns on the talk page
** The previous history of {{la|Jigsaw Records}} was split into the above and {{la|Jigsaw Records (US company)}}.
* {{la|Gregor Coleman}} (signed? to Jigsaw Records)
* {{la|Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)}} (Jigsaw Records founder) — G11
* {{userlinks|Wikidocs}}
Wikidocs appears to be here to promote Jigsaw Records and those associated with it. Wikidocs hijacked the original Jigsaw Records article (now [[Jigsaw Records (US company)]]) to replace it with what is now [[Jigsaw Records (UK company)]]. The history was split by {{U|Dlohcierekim}}. {{ping|prefix=(FYI: |Justlettersandnumbers|Marchjuly|Theroadislong|p=)}} — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 07:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

As I’ve told Theroadislong, my interest is in Gregor Coleman as a fan. I am therefore naturally curious of the label to which he is signed and the manager under which he is associated. I do not know why you have removed the page for Chris Percival, given multiple editors had already established its suitability. But I am unconnected to these entities aside from being a fan of Gregor. You will also note that I have also edited other pages on Wiki. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 08:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Further improvements ==

Hello Theroadislong...
I'd like to work with you to improve SOCO International's Wiki page, get the facts out there and legitimize the page/remove the tags. I will not directly edit the page again since
I am a COI editor and do have a 'close connection' with the subject. Nevertheless, I would like to help present the facts about SOCO's activities while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.
In order to remove the promotional content I suggest removing the following three sentences, but please let me know what needs to happen to further improve the page and I would be happy to assist:
-- "In 2016 it was reported that SOCO had indicated that with low cost production, no debt and its disciplined approach to capital allocation, the company was in a good position to weather a prolonged industry downturn."
--"Looking ahead, the company said it plans to produce 10,000 to 11,500 barrels of oil equivalent a day in 2016 This doesn't included potentially higher output scenarios from its TGT field in Vietnam."
--"The start of production was achieved more than a month ahead of schedule, SOCO said, and the H5 wellhead platform development was completed with zero lost time accidents."
I look forward to hearing from you,
SOCOrep — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) — [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. 

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== 18:22:28, 25 December 2016 review of submission by Mathematician1 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mathematician1|ts=18:22:28, 25 December 2016|declined=Draft:Albert_Aflitunov_Ptolemy}}

== 10:50:54, 6 February 2017 review of submission by 2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61 ==
{{Lafc|username=2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61|ts=10:50:54, 6 February 2017|declined=Draft:Mohanlal_discography}}

Decline reason - "content is already included in his article [[Mohanlal]]": Yes, it was meant to be removed after ''Mohanlal discography'' becomes a stand-alone list. Please consider a re-review.

== 23:21:28, 27 March 2017 review of submission by 92.21.247.53 ==
{{Lafc|username=92.21.247.53|ts=23:21:28, 27 March 2017|declined=Draft:Rene_Michael_Stuart}}

'This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability'.

As my draft submission says, I was the CASWO. I am filling in the missing information between my predecessor and my successor . I am open to suggestions on how I can increase or prove my 'notability'. I would have thought my notability can be proved by my award of the MBE, and I have referenced that?

== 23:04:55, 20 April 2017 review of submission by 223.104.38.188 ==
{{Lafc|username=223.104.38.188|ts=23:04:55, 20 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

Do you know how scammy the page would look if she posted hundreds of articles you can see for the subject when you do a Google or Baidu search?? Come on. Be sensible.

== 09:14:06, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 64.88.227.140 ==
{{Lafc|username=64.88.227.140|ts=09:14:06, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

I know about MEAT and this is not MEAT. Im pretty sure this subject even wrote a domain name decision involving Wikipedia, and I am trying to find it.

== 21:56:11, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 123.211.76.48 ==
{{Lafc|username=123.211.76.48|ts=21:56:11, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

This article looks better with more references included. Thank you.

== 04:00:59, 23 April 2017 review of submission by 49.197.187.175 ==
{{Lafc|username=49.197.187.175|ts=04:00:59, 23 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

There are lots more articles to add.

== 15:31:04, 30 April 2017 review of submission by Neram4 ==
{{Lafc|username=Neram4|ts=15:31:04, 30 April 2017|declined=Draft:Merin_Gregory}}

Merin Gregory is a well known playback singer n malayalam movie winner who was the title winner of idea star singer.
She is even listed in Imdb aswell.
Link : http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8720964/

She had sang many superhit songs in malayalam.

Please confirm this Wikipedia page.

Thank You

== popular choreographer mentioned in other news sites ==

Sir, Sajna Najam is a popular choreographer at South India in Kerala. Information of a good choreographer like this deserves to be included in this encyclopedia and is an important part of Malayalam cinema industry. In Wikipedia pages for Movies section the name of Choreographer has no space for inputting. That's why it seems to be missing. If else it would have been added. And she is similar to another popular choreographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_(choreographer)

Please include this information about Sajna Najam and pls avoid any situation of deleting it from data base as many people will surely look for these details.

Detailed information about it has been mentioned at many sites as follows.

http://metrovaartha.com/en/2015/08/24/experimental-dance-steps-of-a-housewife-that-proved/
http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/shes-got-the-moves/article6839021.ece
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/tv/ReadMore/8642/sajna-najam-on-filmy-choreography/

== 15:34:37, 24 May 2017 review of submission by 171.49.189.97 ==
{{Lafc|username=171.49.189.97|ts=15:34:37, 24 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

As a contributor to Wikipedia, I feel that the article meets all the requirements of a Wikipedia article particularly neutrality and notability.

There are no opinions or promotional statements in the article.
On the contrary, it provides a holistic picture of an organisation in the Power electronic sector in India.
I have revised the article once again.

Kindly advise ways in which I can improve this article, as I have feel the article is objective and only enlightens a reader of an Indian organisation in the power quality space.

== 15:20:50, 28 May 2017 review of submission by 122.174.181.157 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.181.157|ts=15:20:50, 28 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
Have included the references as per the link you shared,
Is there anything that can be added?

== Hello i have a question ==

== 17:21:45, 1 June 2017 review of submission by 122.174.127.41 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.127.41|ts=17:21:45, 1 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
As per your suggestions, I have modified the article.

Can you please provide your inputs?

== 15:17:53, 6 June 2017 review of submission by 122.164.208.137 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.164.208.137|ts=15:17:53, 6 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello Theroadislong,
I have modified the article.
Can you move it to the article space if it's fine?

Thanks

== Look no offense buddy.. ==

This firm used wikipedia to sow the seeds of civil war, dissent and racial division in my country..You should let the edit stay around for 10 minutes at least..Fuck Bell Pottinger! Fuck the corrupt fucks in charge of our state now.. We love you though! ;) And expect every client of the PR company to be edited, along with the companies page..I am one of millions of angry fucks..

== Help ==

Can you please tell what should I do to improve. I am new here

== Smiley ==

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== Hello ==

Hello, Theroadislong!
Thank you for your advice about my article. This helped me understand some of my mistakes. If You do not mind, could You review the new edits to this article. Is everything in my article correct? I wish you every success in your career.Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vagif_Ibrahimov

== Question about Draft:Fractal Visuals ==

Hi I am new to Wikipedia and trying to understand how to establish notability. In the Draft: Fractal Visuals article doesn't the fact that the tweet coming from a reputable source like the Moody College of Communication from University of Texas official account allow it to be used as a credible source? Thanks!

== Removed information ==

Dear Wikipedia

Also can you kindly put back the biography information, this was after all compiled by myself, there's no copyright infringement here.

Thank you
PEP

== 11:29:32, 27 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=11:29:32, 27 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

I'm asking for re reviewing this page based on the fact that
I'm the first person in Russia who made snowboard
and Gromel snowboard is the first company in Russia who made snowboards on commercial bases
from 1988 till 1993 when company was sold.
This information based on 4
patent's of innovation (numbers attached)
several magazine articles (attached)
internet publications (attached)
I have provided many links
proving that fact
Currently I'm the only company in Ohio making boards.

Why articles about
Donec snowboards
K2 snowboards
exist in Wekipedia
but Gromel snowboards where denied????

== Article Biography, Not Copy & Pasted ==

Dear Theraodislong

I did not copy and paste my article from Islandah Radio's website, actually it happened the other way around, this biography was put together by myself, also I've adjusted it slightly so no more confusion can arise, (this article is no infringing on any copyright laws, it's a totally original biography)

Thank you
PEP

== Accidentally edited my article logged out ==

Dear Theroadislong

You are correct I did edit not logged in, this was a mistake on my part, I thought I was logged in, if you look you will see I logged in immediately afterwards. Will check properly next time.

Cheers

PEP

== 05:24:04, 28 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=05:24:04, 28 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

Ser
sorry for being Lille bit ruff in conversation
But your almost immediate review made me little bit worried!
I have question
Once you reviewed the article about Gromel snowboards
did you pay attention on paragraph 7

'''7 Patents From 1988 to 1995 Ostatnigrosh and Melnikov registered four snurfer and snowboard patents. Aleksey Ostanigrosh holds Russian Patents, #1391670 (link 17), dated 04/30/1988, #1584971 (link 18), #1584972 (link 19) dated 8/15/1990. Aleksey Ostanigrosh and Alexei Melnikov hold Russian Patents #2030196 (link 20) dated 03/10/1995
'''
Ser. Did you had the chance to look at these patents?
I do not know if you have enough knowledge of Russian language or you need some translation?
Any way here is short translation for you, just in case.
This paragraph has numbers for different 4 patents two of them I have for snurfer modifications
One for invention of rotating snowboard bindings
and last one me and my Friend Aleksey Melnikov for snowdoard production technology
our patents are first in USSR-RUSSIA for that king sporting goods
You are welcome to do a search if you want.
We have an priority on them. It is proven by patent date and patent numbers
I bed you know how it works.
Ser it is not some publication in news paper or some links in Internet social media
it is an official State Documents with dates and numbers These patents are holding our position as first people who made snowboard in USSR-RUSSIA
and create first Snowboard production company in USSR-RUSSIA
If you want to proof it wrong , go for it!

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Could you please help me to delete this page that I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour. Actually the farsi page was available and I tried to create English version but I couldn't find resources. There is another user who has created the exsiting Frasi page, he will create the English page. So I prefer just delete one I have built, then that would be easier for him. Would you please delete this draft page or let me know how can I do that?
Regards
Solmaz

== Draft: Liam Goligher ==

You gave me a number of suggestions which I am working on. I apologize, but I am used to writing for business (Fortune 500 companies, for example) where one has to make things interesting, so my style was off. I have cut it down as you suggested.

It will take time to address some, because I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. How do I save my work. My only option seems to be RESUBMIT and I know it is not yet ready.

1. Surely the NY Times is not the only kind of news outlet of significance. It may depend on the field. In this case, Christianity Today is the most significant news outlet, with tens of millions of readers in both print and online and many more browsers, of course. In psychology it would be something else. There is one major citation from that news outlet. Dr. Goligher has kicked off probably the biggest Debate within conservative American Christianity in at least 60 years. Hardly insignificant.
;Wikipedia requires indepth coverage in multiple [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

2. I am having trouble with a photo of Dr. Goligher. We were provided a current photo from his church, as I would think is appropriate. Apparently they put a copyright on it. How do we get around that?
:We don't get around that, either take a photograph yourself and upload it or leave the article without one. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
3. Many of the links are, as you noted to other Wiki articles. Dr. Goligher has connections with dozens of people and organizations which already have Wiki pages. In addition to citations, there seem to be links based on phrases and keywords which change color when a person runs the cursor over them. Dozens of my citations can be replaced by those. How does one do that?
:This has been shown to you on the draft article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
4. How does one deal with bound copies of sets of CDs and MP3 which do not have ISBN numbers? These are as important teaching tools as his books, I would guess even more so. At just one major conference of a major Christian denomination, 600 people grabbed up the first set. Much important information is now being shared orally, via such sets.

5. I hear that there is software that takes the ISBN number and creates the entry for books. Do I have to do that, or does it happen automatically?

As you can see. I am not ready to resubmit, but I am working on it. So how do I save my work?
:When you are in edit mode there is a large blue save changes button click it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for any help. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 04:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Please accept my apology, I did not mean to include soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia. Would you please show me examples of these being included, so I know not to include them in my edits again. Thank you

Ok thank you, I will add references to the article.
:For example "a creative performance and painting artist with a unique style of work combining performance, painting and music" and " has drawn international acclaim for her provocative, powerful and bold works." and "Amos’ dramatic work is her understanding of the human condition, a response to the world around her and with an underlying narrative of her life and experiences." are promotional and not neutral tone and unreferenced. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I talked to the reviewer. The problem is that Liam Goligher practices Christian humility to a fault. He suggested that we create a 'stub' of what we can verify and get that much out there. I think that is appropriate. More sources will come forward, I expect. He is too much in the limelight. I'll follow the reviewer's guidance. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 18:55, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

I understand that you are ignoring me
So
According to my knowledge You just are not doing your job
I will have contact company headquarters
and discuss your style of work — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 
:We are all volunteers here it is NOT my job! You are being paid to write an article about your company. I feel no desire to help you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Sorry
I could not find your respond
I was thinking you are ignoring me

I will contact headquarters and now
and the return to our discussion — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

== gromel snowboards ==

I did contact headquarters and aborted
My previous request

Sorry for misunderstanding
your respond was attached to my question it is why I could not find it in the beginning.

So
I can write more information about the subject
May you please send me some article that I can use as an example
Also
As I mentioned before in my "angry" letter We do have 4 patents
To me document officially provided by State are independent sources
Also we have provide number of links on Internet and runet

Our goal was writing in encyclopedia that we are first company in USSR - Russia who build snowboard
and still making this product here in USA being american company of course for 10 years now

Please look at these articles
and let me know where exactly gromel snowboards draft needs to be corrected
and I will certainly do that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donek_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTB_(company)

Thanks
Aleksey — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 05:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

==hello==
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am concerned about retribution for asking questions

You found my other account by my e-mail address correct? [[User:Lowlowprofile|Lowlowprofile]] ([[User talk:Lowlowprofile|talk]]) 14:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

you look like a nice guy :)
:I think you should assume good faith, the editor you are accusing of retribution is very well respected and would do no such thing. Your edit history is available to view by anyone. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== 749 ==

drat. will i never catch you? -- [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
:ha haa it's not a race. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Hi, I see you marked my page for deletion. It would help if you said why, rather than waste my time. I've got a decade of experience in the area of kettlebells and trying to contribute, but just deleting stuff doesn't help or anyone else. What is the user page for if not for what I posted? I'm trying to keep it short without advertising, just displaying the reason why my edits and contributions are valuable. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 08:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Taco fleur}}, an editor's user page is a place to tell about themselves, sure, but it's not a place to ''promote'' oneself. If I had to guess it would be the "missions" part of your userpage that is the issue, because it sounds like you're trying to sell something (even if you aren't). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC) {{tps}}
:{{tps}} {{reply|Taco fleur}} quite. it definitely has a social media/webhost/nothing to do with editing wikipedia feel to it. You could look at our user pages for a better idea of content. [[Wikipedia:User page design center]] has information that can help you design a user page.
::For your information, Taco fleur offers [https://www.upwork.com/jobs/_~0134e2a2990933d2e2/ $100 on this website] for a recreation of the deleted page. --[[User:Shev123|Shev123]] ([[User talk:Shev123|talk]]) 17:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Taco Fleur has to offer money to people to help him understand what it is that Wikipedia EXACTLY wants to see, because he spends hours genuinely setting something up, which then gets deleted at the push of a button. While better content could be achieved if the person deleting stuff actually opens his eyes and looks a bit deeper, asks questions, communicates. Take my personal profile for example, I had no mention of brands, just my experience and what I wanted to do on wikipedia to help, which I understand is exactly what it needs to say, but still not good enough. Do I need to write a special tone that I just don't have??? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 

:::It would be easier for {{u|Taco fleur}} to just request it be undeleted so they can remove the garbage. Or simply recreate it from scratch; it's just a userpage. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|Taco fleur}} This page might help you [[Wikipedia:User page design center/About you]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Taco fleur}}, I think you'll find that ''most'' of the comments here have had indications of what you could do to improve the page. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 19:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I give up. Spend hours trying to get it to where it's suitable and someone just deleted it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Didn't see the timeframe, but the user page ''has'' been restored. Case closed? [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:You might want to take a look at [[Deletionpedia]], if you're looking to copy some information which was in the deleted article.--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! Please provide some further explanation regarding an edit you made to Afran Nisho. ==

I'm afraid that I didn't quite get why you removed the list of appearances in [[Afran Nisho]]. I'm guessing that it was because of a lack of sources. [[Talk:Afran_Nisho#Removal_of_list_of_appearances.|Relevant talk page section.]]--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:I did explain in the edit summary. I removed the large list of appearances because it was unreferenced, I kept the few that were referenced even though they are not notable appearances. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you!--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 09:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto ==

Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto so quickly and giving helpful feedback. I agree that it needs more work (notability, reliability, objectivity).
Mike — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mikemorrell49|Mikemorrell49]] ([[User talk:Mikemorrell49#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mikemorrell49|contribs]]) 14:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Q on reference source language ==

== 16:09:38, 3 November 2017 review of submission by Mikemorrell49 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mikemorrell49|ts=16:09:38, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:BredaPhoto}}

This is not a re-review just a question.
You recently reviewed the page Draft:BredaPhoto and your feedback on notability, reliability and objectivity was very helpful. Thanks for this! The BredaPhoto event is an international event both in terms of participating photographers and in terms of visitors. BredaPhoto is also mentioned in multiple English language Wikipedia articles about the city of Breda. For both reasons, I was asked to write an English language page on the history of BredaPhoto and the next event. I'm a volunteer for BredaPhoto and I've declared a possible COI on the talk page. I fully understand the requirement to refer to independent sources of information to confirm notabilty and reliabilty. There are independent sources (newspaper and magazine articles) for this page but most - if not all - are in Dutch. BredaPhoto is a more important topic to cover in the Netherlands than in the 'international' countries. So my question is: would Dutch language sources be valid as references for an English language Wikipedia page? If you could point me to a page where this question has already been answered, that would be fine too. I've not found an answer so far.
Mike
:Whilst English language references would be ideal, there is nothing to stop you using Dutch ones as long as they are reliable and independent. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:20:51, 3 November 2017 review of submission by VivaLaPandaz ==
{{Lafc|username=VivaLaPandaz|ts=22:20:51, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bubbies_Fine_Foods}}

You rejected my submission commenting that too many of the references point to the company's own website. I have added additional references in the External links section, but should those instead be worked into the post content?
:Yes please... Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything said or published by Bubbies Fine Foods. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them: the article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 20:54:43, 4 November 2017 review of submission by BibianaG ==
{{Lafc|username=BibianaG|ts=20:54:43, 4 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bibiana_Goldenthal}}

Hello,
The person who's page i'm editing is my voice teacher.
She is an 84 year old woman, and has contributed much to the music world in her life.
Unfortunately, she is a modest person, and did not request much of her work published.
I have gathered from her newspaper clippings (some in hebrew and some in english), photos, and attributions from famous musicians and conductors.
All I wanted was for her to have a page on Wikipedia in her life time, but i just can't seem to get the editing right, and my page edit keeps being declined.
I would much appreciate a guideline to what kind of improvements my edit could have?
I have linked other sites where she is referenced. I have attached newspaper clipping mentioning her.
I've added pictured of her playing in an opera.
I even added some of her work to youtube!
She is already mentions in some page on this site (her students' pages),
but her page is still declined.

Please advice.
:The reference [http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Goldenthal-Bibiana.htm] is a good one. The photographs of newspaper cuttings are possibly useful if you know the date and title of the newspaper then they can also be used as a source. Any other newspaper articles would also help. Youtube is not considered a reliable source I'm afraid. Just find some more [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Please realise though that as you know her you have a conflict of interest. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
::Please NEVER copy and paste content from other pages though as you did from here [https://www.jamd.ac.il/en/content/bibiana-goldenthal] [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:34, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

==AfC==
I've accepted [:Josef Alois Ladurner]]. anyone with an entry on Grove is notable, even if the article is otherwise incomplete '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 07:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Ok I wasn't able to verify any of the references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Kingston University]] ==

Hi Theroadislong. I wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frenchbook&oldid=808849315#Your_edits_to_Kingston_University this message] on the talk page of the problematic editor after their latest revert. Within minutes, they blanked their whole talk page. Humph! I'm kind of assuming that if there weren't a ''significant'' COI, they wouldn't have done that. I'll keep an eye on the article and if they keep up the shenanigans and refuse to discuss on the talk page, I may take this to the [[WP:COIN|COI Noticeboard]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== An article you have been editing is under discretionary sanctions ==

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== Request on 11:03:32, 6 November 2017 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Svenalamo ==
{{anchor|11:03:32, 6 November 2017 review of submission by Svenalamo}}
{{Lafc|username=Svenalamo|ts=11:03:32, 6 November 2017|declinedtalk=Draft:Josef_Alois_Ladurner}}



Hi, I have edited the article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Alois_Ladurner
I believe the issues should be solved now. Could you please check and remove the copyright template?
Thanks!

[[User:Svenalamo|Svenalamo]] ([[User talk:Svenalamo|talk]]) 11:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:It's the edit history that needs redacting and I am not an admin so can't do this. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Humans are apes ==

Hi there :)! You reverted my edit a while ago in [[Creation and evolution in public education|this article]]. I'm not going to edit war over something so tiny but I would like to point out that humans ''are'' apes descended from monkeys. Not only the respective articles say so, Richard Dawkins [http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm does too]. That change I made was not incorrect. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/145.90.81.46|145.90.81.46]] ([[User talk:145.90.81.46#top|talk]]) 16:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Thank you - Prof Askari Draft ==

Thank you for your comments. Really appreciated.
I am on the learning curve as formatting is not my expertise. Would you able to help me in referencing format as I made several errors doing it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Syedahmerraza|Syedahmerraza]] ([[User talk:Syedahmerraza#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Syedahmerraza|contribs]]) 20:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Disruptive Editing ==

Hi,

I work at Verve Records, specifically in the digital marketing department, and we have decided to switch the introduction paragraph to what I had edited based on the current state of our label. I would not consider this "disruptive editing," and if there are any problems please feel free to email me at [email protected] or [email protected].

Nick — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup]] ([[User talk:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|contribs]]) 20:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything you want to say about your company. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. Sentences like “holds the world’s richest jazz catalogue and features seminal recordings from legendary artists” and “ recently expanded to scope newer artists while also keeping true to its roots” are just marketing puffery and certainly not acceptable in an encyclopaedia article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 20:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

== Agilsoft ==

I have taken out more pitchy comments and added some additional links to justify my claims. As a private company in a relatively small and emerging area, third party evaluations such as PC Magazine have been linked. However, there is less evaluation and third party content than with more traditional links. I have reduced the bios of the team as well. I would point out that roughly 2/3rds of the links are to non-Agiloft links. I merely pointed to Agiloft to justify claims they were making, which seem reasonable to me, e.g. pricing, money back guarantee, etc.

Please let me know if you have additional objections. I will fix them.

Alistair Davidson — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alistairdavidson|Alistairdavidson]] ([[User talk:Alistairdavidson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alistairdavidson|contribs]]) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) 
:As another reviewer has commented your draft [[Draft:Agilsoft]] Reads more like a press release, than a formal, neutral article. Linked in is never a good source and Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. The list of customers sourced to their own website needs to go as does the list of resellers and the team section none of this belongs in an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theroadislong|contribs]]) 10:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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== 16:13:33, 11 November 2017 review of submission by Wikidocs ==
{{Lafc|username=Wikidocs|ts=16:13:33, 11 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Percival}}

Hello, could you please provide more details on what you would like to see on improvements? The awards are national and sponsored by international banks (Lloyd’s Bank), national newspapers (Telegraph) and reliable sources (Richtopia, Rise Global & Business Insider). The notability is also via entrepreneurial success and as a figurehead of public-interest brands, the subject represents the leader for notable names in music etc and is cited in related WP pages (without link to this subject, as this page does not currently exist). Public like to have access to details of these leaders and is seen widely on WP, and would link from related articles.

Sources are broad and include primary and secondary from national newspapers (broadsheet, tabloid) and national magazines and well respected business sources. Also from the likes of BT and Virgin.

It would be prudent to understand how you would like to see the article develop before approving it? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:None of the awards are notable in Wikipedia terms i.e. they don't have their own articles yet. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Ok, but another reviewer has just contradicted this by saying whether something else has an article or not is irrelevant? Still not sure on what you want me to do to improve it, as it’s not just about the awards and you’ve failed to address my other questions. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 
:::I have removed a lot of puffery and non neutral tone content, so it's easier to see what we have left. I think it still needs some more reliable sources which aren't local press release types or interviews and if you have a connection with the article's subject you should declare it on your user page. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, thanks for your input and help. I’ve no connection other than being a fan of one of his artists signed to Jigsaw Records (which why I’ve got an interest in his background which I think should be shared publicly). I’ll try and find more sources and add them in. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::: I’ve now added in several further sources from various origins, along with some further relevant information which I found on the way. Hopefully, you will now agree there are sufficient sources and that the article can be approved? Thank you for your help with editing it too, really appriciate it.[[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::: [[re:Theroadislong]] More edits have been made and an image added from Wiki Commons which was on file. Look forward to hearing your views on the additional sources. Hopefully this is now acceptable? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== FTB LLC ==

Hi Theroadislong. My submission was just denied and I am interested in learning the specifics as to why so I can improve. I have listed multiple articles about the company that support its notability in External Links. The company has published multiple books, some by well-known authors. In looking at other small publishing company pages, I see they have less information than my article and were approved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macleay_Press and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_Publications). Can you please help me understand? Thanks in advance!
[[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 19:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Your article [[Draft:Fig Tree Books LLC]] was declined because Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As far as I can see none of your references are about the company? It may be that some of the many external links could be used as references instead. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::The two other publisher articles you list [[Macleay Press]] and [[Gryphon_Publications]] are VERY poor quality and should probably be listed for deletion. There are many poor quality articles on Wikipedia, created when standards were lower. See [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply. There are four articles featuring the company from The Times of Israel, Foreword Reviews, Shelf Awareness, and Lilith. I moved them out of the External Links section into a Notes section to make them more accessible and the page more organized. I also added a book award to The Sea Beach Line. Would you mind looking again? Sincerely appreciate. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 22:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Is there any content in the links that can be used in the article then they can be added as references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hi Theroadislong. Thanks so much for your help. I followed your suggestions and cited sources of information in the body of the article so they are now references. I believe this will do the trick and would be very grateful if you looked again. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 17:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kaleshwaram Project ==

Hi, what is a acceptable reference? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 22:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC) 
:You have added 5 references that look like they might be suitable, but the Wikipedia links are not required you have already used them in the article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
-K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57#top|talk]]) 01:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Kaleshwaram Project - Kaleshwaram Lift Irrigation Scheme ==

i've added all required references...when this will be approved and available for public wiki? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 01:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Penny Rolls(Help) ==

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
[[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57|talk]]) 03:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant
:I'm sorry I have not the remotest idea what you are asking here, but good luck with your project. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== 07:53:55, 14 November 2017 review of submission by FriendlyB ==
{{Lafc|username=FriendlyB|ts=07:53:55, 14 November 2017|declined=Draft:Dr._Petry_Textile_Auxiliaries}}

Dear Thereodislong,

thank you for reviewing the draft "Dr. Petry Textile Auxiliaries".

For the sources, I cited independent sources, such as
- http://www.genios.de/fachzeitschriften/artikel/MTB/20080617/umweltschutz-und-nachhaltigkeit-in-/060817061.html
- https://www.biooekonomie-bw.de/de/fachbeitrag/aktuell/insektenchitin-macht-textilherstellung-nachhaltiger/

In order to have more evidence, I added information from further independent sources and references:
- https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/companies/6311207Z:GR-textilchemie-dr-petry-gmbh
- https://www.bluesign.com/industry/chemical-suppliers/references/textilchemie-dr-petry

Thank you in advance for re-reviewing.

== Help with a company entry (Pendo) ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Thanks for reviewing my intro for Pendo [[Draft:Pendo]]. I understand that you didn't feel that the article met the criteria for a company page, but I would love to get more feedback on how I might improve it. I did a bunch of research on what's acceptable prior to writing and submitting, but mostly what I found most helpful was looking at comparable pages on Wikipedia and try to use them as templates. For example, I looked at [[SimilarWeb]] and [[Walkme]]. Granted, my draft was shorter than these examples, but I really tried to keep it as neutral as possible so as not to get too marketing-like.

Would love to hear from you how you think I can improve the draft in light of these thoughts.

Thanks,
[[User:Hillameller|Hillameller]] ([[User talk:Hillameller|talk]])hillameller —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 09:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 
:I have removed blatant promotional puffery from your draft, the fact that you don't see it is precisely why people with conflicts of interest are not encouraged to create articles about their own companies. My advice would be to wait until someone unconnected with the company does it for you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== 17:04:19, 14 November 2017 review of submission by Timslater ==
{{Lafc|username=Timslater|ts=17:04:19, 14 November 2017|declined=Draft:Fat_Lama}}

Hi Theroadislong. Many thanks for reviewing my draft for Fat Lama. I've deleted a few sections which sounded a little advertorial - apologies, I'm used to working with marketing materials.

Very grateful if you could offer further feedback on the latest draft, or if applicable, approve it.

Many thanks.

[[User:Timslater|Timslater]] ([[User talk:Timslater|talk]]) 17:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:I'll leave it for another reviewer to comment this time but your company doesn't appear notable enough. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Prince Johnny C ==

I have resubmitted the PJC article. I have included a number of citations and have detailed the notability criteria that the article meets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music). Let me know if you need anything else. [[User:Jayhova4x4|Jayhova4x4]] ([[User talk:Jayhova4x4|talk]]) 01:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:21:16, 16 November 2017 review of submission by 5.95.100.80 ==
{{Lafc|username=5.95.100.80|ts=22:21:16, 16 November 2017|declined=Draft:Siena_International_Photo_Awards}}

Hi, I've added this many independent newspapers talking about Siena International Photo awards in the external links:

The Guardian, 2016 edition
The Guardian, 2016 edition
Business Insider
Geo.de
Geo.de
NPR
Spiegel
Daily Mail
Weekly Times
Ami Vitale
Il Sole 24 Ore

What should I do in order to make it reliable?
:Please read [[WP:REFB]] for help with formatting sources. Your list of external links needs to be converted to inline citations. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 07:55, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== 10:36:34, 17 November 2017 review of submission by ChriSyuk ==
{{Lafc|username=ChriSyuk|ts=10:36:34, 17 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Ross}}

Chris Ross works in professional football. That is why he has notability. I forgot to add (footballer) to the title. You'll see from his background he has been notably at a number of Scottish Professional football clubs.
::Chris Ross is not mentioned here [http://rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news/archive/rcfc-foundation-heritage-exhibition-launch/] or here [http://www.therosscountyfoundation.org/heritage/] this source [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGHm4FUmd4E] is Youtube and not reliable, this source [https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisrossss] is Linked in and not reliable, this source [http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/sports-history-news-and-blog/a-celebration-of-highland-football-heritage-in-dingwall] is a passing mention we need multiple in depth coverage of Chris Ross to establish notability. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== 18:15:35, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Giobenjamin ==
{{Lafc|username=Giobenjamin|ts=18:15:35, 17 November 2017|declined=Draft:Jo_Palma}}

The added citations are not self published. The Youtube video is posted by pechakucha which is TEDTalk but for architects. I changed the citation link btw. Also if other architects and news sources refer to something as internationally renowned/globally known, I cant insert that into the article?(What if i cite it?). All the citations are about him being apart of each specific project. None are "Self Published", the other architect pages are absolutely horrid in comparison but they still are able to make the cut. This article i wrote has all the proper citation proving he has worked on each projects as the senior architect. Do you know the SQ Ft of nato Hq? no you dont because there is no wikipedia article which im trying to work backwards to create. This architect created these projects and i'm trying to get this article up and you cut it down with poor criticism and lack of information that is needed to make this apart of wikipedia even though all the information is correct.....not fair.
:I don't recall saying anything about self published sources? I declined your article because it reads like an advert it starts with "He is an internationally renowned architect, having designed iconic skyscrapers" [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Article about Shane Berkery ==

Hi @Theroadislong

1. This article is not about myself. This is not intended to be an autobiography - although Shane is a relative.
2. All the sources are relevant and reputable. Let me know if there is a specific one with which you have a question and I clarify or remove. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Berko45|Berko45]] ([[User talk:Berko45#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berko45|contribs]]) 21:01, 17 November 2017 (UTC) 

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peter_Hotez ==

You wrote: Not done I'm sorry but no one is going to even consider this giant wall of text please suggest proposed changes one by one, sentence by sentence. Theroadislong (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that would work because the problem is the layout of the current article is really bad so it kind of needs a total reorg. Is there someone who could look at it as a new article or something like that? Thanks again for your help. Nate Wolf Nwolf 1470 — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nwolf1470|Nwolf1470]] ([[User talk:Nwolf1470#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nwolf1470|contribs]]) 21:12, 17 November 2017 (UTC) 
:I have changed a couple of headings as per your request. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[René Redzepi]] page ==

Hi there. I was in the process of trying to improve and update [[René Redzepi]]'s Wiki page -- which meant I would need to untangle the mess between his page and the Noma page. But that editor pretty much spooked me and drove me off the page over the external link issue. I saw you edited and wanted to thank you for that. I'm getting very discouraged from contributing after dealing this this guy and previously Jytdog. They aren't even really editing and contributing, are just deleting. It's sort of a nightmare. Very disheartened. Hope all is well with you. Thanks again. Best, Erika aka [[User:BrillLyle|BrillLyle]] ([[User talk:BrillLyle|talk]]) 03:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

== David Cassidy ==

I made a mistake. When you Google search "David Cassidy death", Google presents a dialogue box showing he died. As far as the link I provided, I only read the summary that was provided on the Google page. Had I clicked the link, I would have saw that Google was incorrect in reporting a death date and that it was a hoax.

[[User:Stevebradley1|Stevebradley1]] ([[User talk:Stevebradley1|talk]]) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 13:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC) 

:Ok no worries, we all make mistakes, have a good day. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== my external link ==

Hello,
No need to be aggressive. Are you the owner of the Bob Dylan article?
I do not really see what the problem is: what I have added is not a commercial link, as you can check by yourself.
I thought Wikipedia was a participative work, and I was only participating, by adding a link that can be usefull to people interested in Bob Dylan.
May be you could explain me why it cannot be added...
All the best. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Michpom|Michpom]] ([[User talk:Michpom#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michpom|contribs]]) 17:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC) 
:In your 7 years of editing Wikipedia your only edits have been to add your own website to the Bob Dylan page this what we call spamming. Please read [[WP:ELONO]]. Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites are not encouraged. You are welcome to start a discussion at [[Talk:Bob Dylan]] and if there is consensus for it's inclusion it can be added. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Speedy declined ==

I've declined your speedy deletion nomination of [[Wikipedia talk:Mrecords]]. This page was created from an improper move of [[:User:Preeze36]]. I have posted a technical move request to have the page moved back to its proper place; deletion would only disrupt the page history. (Given this user's editing pattern, I think preserving the history of this page might be important for future discussions.) [[User:WikiDan61|WikiDan61]][[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]][[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]] 18:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hugo Huerta Marin ==

Thanks theroadislong. There is printed press in the us and Mexico that I am not sure how to upload, having the page online would make it much easier to understand the context of the project Portrait of an Artis please let me know. [[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying and apologies for the misunderstanding. I have had changed the links to references and I think this is good to go, can you please verify the page is now good to go?

Thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hugo_Huerta_Marin
Hi, I removed the links from the references as you kindly suggested. Is there anything else I have to do on my side, otherwise can you please revise the page again? THANK YOU![[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 01:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:You have misunderstood what was required I have removed the external links from the body of the article for you and replaced your reference list. You need to read [[WP:REFB]] and place citations to support each statement of fact at the end of each line. You need in-depth coverage of the subject in sources which are independent of the subject. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

[[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 14:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I will let another reviewer take a look, I am concerned that the references as they stand are not enough to establish your notability and you appear to be using another account to edit the autobiographic article.[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I understand, we were trying to figure out if the issue was that I was writing the article, as I said before it would be much easier to understand the context of the project Portrait of an Artist for future exhibitions and references, if not I understand. Please let me know if I have to re submit for another viewer to take a look or if I shall just wait for your feedback. Thanks and best[[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 16:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:You say "we", Wikipedia accounts are strictly for single person use only. Creating another account to disguise the fact you are writing an autobiography is [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sock puppetry]] the problem with the draft as it stands is the lack of in depth independent sources discussing you which it needs to establish notability. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::I see the draft has been deleted because of copyright infringement. I strongly suggest you wait until someone unconnected with you writes the article, which they will once you are shown to be notable enough. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== request to approve my wiki page ==

Hi...
This is kishore TK I found my page was disapproved you check my Owasp wiki here https://www.owasp.org/index.php/KishoreTK . I hope you will be approving my page.
thanks! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kishoretk18|Kishoretk18]] ([[User talk:Kishoretk18#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kishoretk18|contribs]]) 17:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Having a poorly referenced autobiography at owasp.org is nothing to do with getting an article approved at Wikipedia? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== VisualBash & my lack of objectivity... ==

Greetings Theroadislong,

Is there a way that I can share my correspondence with the small (but lazy) VisualBash Community?

I really have no sales agenda, what I really want is for folks to see this and help me understand why this framework has helped me become a better programmer (...and finally satisfy my wife Ally's programming needs :^)

Anyway, if you know of anyone who can help me achieve the proper "Zeitgeist", something I apparently() completely lack (I was never one of the cool, Symbolic Logic, Boolean or crypto kids, - a sad story... The entire Internet took place and all I got was this domain name, [email protected], which you are most welcome to use in correspondence if need be).

Finally Theroadislong the horror it all is the vanity that I can actually write, I just do not know what I should write. I just invented VisualBash, and want to tell people that it is very cool.

Maybe what you need is somewhere on http://visualbash.org.

Finally, thanks for taking the time to review my submission.

Sincerely,

Paul Flint
[[User:Flintiii|Flintiii]] ([[User talk:Flintiii|talk]]) 21:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Jigsaw Records ==

Do not change a page for which the entity Jigsaw Records Ltd has trademark protection, and the contents you are changing it to is not the same entity. This is against the law [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 22:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:You have hijacked the article, which was originally about the company Jigsaw Records founded in Seattle in 1995. NOT a non notable company formed in 2017 this is likely to get you blocked. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 23:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Please review the trademark. You are illegally promoting an organisation who is not afforded legal protection. This is likely to get you blocked. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC) [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Wikidocs

2017-11-21T22:56:15Z

Wikidocs: /* Jigsaw Records */

User talk:Wikidocs

2017-11-21T22:54:36Z

Wikidocs: /* Jigsaw Records */

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== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Gregor Coleman|Gregor Coleman]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by KGirlTrucker81 was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The Sun is not a good source.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
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{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The sources aren't enough to establish notability. A large chunk of the sources is just about his company, and a person can't inherit notability from a company they are apart of. Beyond that, there is a slew of primary sources or routine PR stuff. The couple of articles that directly cover the subject are just local coverage from his hometown and two are interview, thus making them primary, not secondary. The top 100 list is about the only thing close to substantial, but being included in a list of 100 other people just isn't enough to establish notability.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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[[User:Sulfurboy|Sulfurboy]] ([[User talk:Sulfurboy|talk]]) 13:57, 11 November 2017 (UTC)</div>

== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=Like I said, the top 100 list isn't enough for notability, especially considering the list is crowdsourced.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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== November 2017 ==
[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to [[:Draft:Chris Percival]], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] for that. ''Please do not removed submission decline history on your draft page.'' [[User:Sulfurboy|Sulfurboy]] ([[User talk:Sulfurboy|talk]]) 14:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

I didn't, you have removed some edits which improved the article? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]]) 14:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== Your submission at [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for creation]]: [[Draft:Chris Percival|Chris Percival]] (November 11) ==
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> [[File:AFC-Logo_Decline.svg|50px|left]]Your recent article submission to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|Articles for Creation]] has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time.<nowiki> </nowiki>The reason left by Theroadislong was:

{{divbox|gray|3=This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires ''significant'' coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in ''published'', [[WP:RS|''reliable'']], [[WP:SECONDARY|''secondary'']] sources that are ''[[Wikipedia:Identifying and using independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject—see the [[WP:BIO|guidelines on the notability of people]], [[WP:VRS|the golden rule]] and learn about [[Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability)|mistakes to avoid]] when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] and [[Help:Introduction to referencing/1]]), so that the information is [[WP:V|verifiable]], and there is clear evidence of why the subject is [[WP:N|notable]] and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional ''reliable'' sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.|}} The comment the reviewer left was:

{{divbox|blue|3=The awards are not notable.}} Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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== Managing a conflict of interest ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, Wikidocs. We [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome]] your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|you have written about]] in the article [[Draft:Chris Percival]], you may have a [[conflict of interest]] (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. Editing for the purpose of advertising or promotion is not permitted. See the '''[[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]]''' and [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations|FAQ for organizations]] for more information. We ask that you:

*'''avoid editing or creating''' articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
* '''propose changes''' on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{tl|request edit}} template);
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*'''do your best''' to comply with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Core content policies|content policies]].

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure|WP:PAID]]). Thank you.{{#ifexpr: ({{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} - 20171111164407) < 5000000000 | [[Category:User talk pages with conflict of interest notices|{{PAGENAME}}]] | }} [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 16:44, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)]]==
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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may '''contest the nomination''' by [[:Chris Percival (Entrepreneur)|visiting the page]] and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with [[Wikipedia:List of policies|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]]. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the {{Querylink|Special:Log|qs=type=delete&page=Chris+Percival+%28Entrepreneur%29|deleting administrator}}.   [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 12:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Jigsaw Records]] ==

You cannot hijack an article and change what it is about...if the company is notable draft an article about it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Jigsaw Records Ltd has trademark protection. The Seattle Company you are trying to replace it with does not. This is contrary to law. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]]) 22:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Further improvements ==

Hello Theroadislong...
I'd like to work with you to improve SOCO International's Wiki page, get the facts out there and legitimize the page/remove the tags. I will not directly edit the page again since
I am a COI editor and do have a 'close connection' with the subject. Nevertheless, I would like to help present the facts about SOCO's activities while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.
In order to remove the promotional content I suggest removing the following three sentences, but please let me know what needs to happen to further improve the page and I would be happy to assist:
-- "In 2016 it was reported that SOCO had indicated that with low cost production, no debt and its disciplined approach to capital allocation, the company was in a good position to weather a prolonged industry downturn."
--"Looking ahead, the company said it plans to produce 10,000 to 11,500 barrels of oil equivalent a day in 2016 This doesn't included potentially higher output scenarios from its TGT field in Vietnam."
--"The start of production was achieved more than a month ahead of schedule, SOCO said, and the H5 wellhead platform development was completed with zero lost time accidents."
I look forward to hearing from you,
SOCOrep — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) — [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. 

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== 18:22:28, 25 December 2016 review of submission by Mathematician1 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mathematician1|ts=18:22:28, 25 December 2016|declined=Draft:Albert_Aflitunov_Ptolemy}}

== 10:50:54, 6 February 2017 review of submission by 2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61 ==
{{Lafc|username=2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61|ts=10:50:54, 6 February 2017|declined=Draft:Mohanlal_discography}}

Decline reason - "content is already included in his article [[Mohanlal]]": Yes, it was meant to be removed after ''Mohanlal discography'' becomes a stand-alone list. Please consider a re-review.

== 23:21:28, 27 March 2017 review of submission by 92.21.247.53 ==
{{Lafc|username=92.21.247.53|ts=23:21:28, 27 March 2017|declined=Draft:Rene_Michael_Stuart}}

'This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability'.

As my draft submission says, I was the CASWO. I am filling in the missing information between my predecessor and my successor . I am open to suggestions on how I can increase or prove my 'notability'. I would have thought my notability can be proved by my award of the MBE, and I have referenced that?

== 23:04:55, 20 April 2017 review of submission by 223.104.38.188 ==
{{Lafc|username=223.104.38.188|ts=23:04:55, 20 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

Do you know how scammy the page would look if she posted hundreds of articles you can see for the subject when you do a Google or Baidu search?? Come on. Be sensible.

== 09:14:06, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 64.88.227.140 ==
{{Lafc|username=64.88.227.140|ts=09:14:06, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

I know about MEAT and this is not MEAT. Im pretty sure this subject even wrote a domain name decision involving Wikipedia, and I am trying to find it.

== 21:56:11, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 123.211.76.48 ==
{{Lafc|username=123.211.76.48|ts=21:56:11, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

This article looks better with more references included. Thank you.

== 04:00:59, 23 April 2017 review of submission by 49.197.187.175 ==
{{Lafc|username=49.197.187.175|ts=04:00:59, 23 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

There are lots more articles to add.

== 15:31:04, 30 April 2017 review of submission by Neram4 ==
{{Lafc|username=Neram4|ts=15:31:04, 30 April 2017|declined=Draft:Merin_Gregory}}

Merin Gregory is a well known playback singer n malayalam movie winner who was the title winner of idea star singer.
She is even listed in Imdb aswell.
Link : http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8720964/

She had sang many superhit songs in malayalam.

Please confirm this Wikipedia page.

Thank You

== popular choreographer mentioned in other news sites ==

Sir, Sajna Najam is a popular choreographer at South India in Kerala. Information of a good choreographer like this deserves to be included in this encyclopedia and is an important part of Malayalam cinema industry. In Wikipedia pages for Movies section the name of Choreographer has no space for inputting. That's why it seems to be missing. If else it would have been added. And she is similar to another popular choreographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_(choreographer)

Please include this information about Sajna Najam and pls avoid any situation of deleting it from data base as many people will surely look for these details.

Detailed information about it has been mentioned at many sites as follows.

http://metrovaartha.com/en/2015/08/24/experimental-dance-steps-of-a-housewife-that-proved/
http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/shes-got-the-moves/article6839021.ece
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/tv/ReadMore/8642/sajna-najam-on-filmy-choreography/

== 15:34:37, 24 May 2017 review of submission by 171.49.189.97 ==
{{Lafc|username=171.49.189.97|ts=15:34:37, 24 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

As a contributor to Wikipedia, I feel that the article meets all the requirements of a Wikipedia article particularly neutrality and notability.

There are no opinions or promotional statements in the article.
On the contrary, it provides a holistic picture of an organisation in the Power electronic sector in India.
I have revised the article once again.

Kindly advise ways in which I can improve this article, as I have feel the article is objective and only enlightens a reader of an Indian organisation in the power quality space.

== 15:20:50, 28 May 2017 review of submission by 122.174.181.157 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.181.157|ts=15:20:50, 28 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
Have included the references as per the link you shared,
Is there anything that can be added?

== Hello i have a question ==

== 17:21:45, 1 June 2017 review of submission by 122.174.127.41 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.127.41|ts=17:21:45, 1 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
As per your suggestions, I have modified the article.

Can you please provide your inputs?

== 15:17:53, 6 June 2017 review of submission by 122.164.208.137 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.164.208.137|ts=15:17:53, 6 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello Theroadislong,
I have modified the article.
Can you move it to the article space if it's fine?

Thanks

== Look no offense buddy.. ==

This firm used wikipedia to sow the seeds of civil war, dissent and racial division in my country..You should let the edit stay around for 10 minutes at least..Fuck Bell Pottinger! Fuck the corrupt fucks in charge of our state now.. We love you though! ;) And expect every client of the PR company to be edited, along with the companies page..I am one of millions of angry fucks..

== Help ==

Can you please tell what should I do to improve. I am new here

== Smiley ==

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== Hello ==

Hello, Theroadislong!
Thank you for your advice about my article. This helped me understand some of my mistakes. If You do not mind, could You review the new edits to this article. Is everything in my article correct? I wish you every success in your career.Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vagif_Ibrahimov

== Question about Draft:Fractal Visuals ==

Hi I am new to Wikipedia and trying to understand how to establish notability. In the Draft: Fractal Visuals article doesn't the fact that the tweet coming from a reputable source like the Moody College of Communication from University of Texas official account allow it to be used as a credible source? Thanks!

== Removed information ==

Dear Wikipedia

Also can you kindly put back the biography information, this was after all compiled by myself, there's no copyright infringement here.

Thank you
PEP

== 11:29:32, 27 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=11:29:32, 27 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

I'm asking for re reviewing this page based on the fact that
I'm the first person in Russia who made snowboard
and Gromel snowboard is the first company in Russia who made snowboards on commercial bases
from 1988 till 1993 when company was sold.
This information based on 4
patent's of innovation (numbers attached)
several magazine articles (attached)
internet publications (attached)
I have provided many links
proving that fact
Currently I'm the only company in Ohio making boards.

Why articles about
Donec snowboards
K2 snowboards
exist in Wekipedia
but Gromel snowboards where denied????

== Article Biography, Not Copy & Pasted ==

Dear Theraodislong

I did not copy and paste my article from Islandah Radio's website, actually it happened the other way around, this biography was put together by myself, also I've adjusted it slightly so no more confusion can arise, (this article is no infringing on any copyright laws, it's a totally original biography)

Thank you
PEP

== Accidentally edited my article logged out ==

Dear Theroadislong

You are correct I did edit not logged in, this was a mistake on my part, I thought I was logged in, if you look you will see I logged in immediately afterwards. Will check properly next time.

Cheers

PEP

== 05:24:04, 28 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=05:24:04, 28 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

Ser
sorry for being Lille bit ruff in conversation
But your almost immediate review made me little bit worried!
I have question
Once you reviewed the article about Gromel snowboards
did you pay attention on paragraph 7

'''7 Patents From 1988 to 1995 Ostatnigrosh and Melnikov registered four snurfer and snowboard patents. Aleksey Ostanigrosh holds Russian Patents, #1391670 (link 17), dated 04/30/1988, #1584971 (link 18), #1584972 (link 19) dated 8/15/1990. Aleksey Ostanigrosh and Alexei Melnikov hold Russian Patents #2030196 (link 20) dated 03/10/1995
'''
Ser. Did you had the chance to look at these patents?
I do not know if you have enough knowledge of Russian language or you need some translation?
Any way here is short translation for you, just in case.
This paragraph has numbers for different 4 patents two of them I have for snurfer modifications
One for invention of rotating snowboard bindings
and last one me and my Friend Aleksey Melnikov for snowdoard production technology
our patents are first in USSR-RUSSIA for that king sporting goods
You are welcome to do a search if you want.
We have an priority on them. It is proven by patent date and patent numbers
I bed you know how it works.
Ser it is not some publication in news paper or some links in Internet social media
it is an official State Documents with dates and numbers These patents are holding our position as first people who made snowboard in USSR-RUSSIA
and create first Snowboard production company in USSR-RUSSIA
If you want to proof it wrong , go for it!

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Could you please help me to delete this page that I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour. Actually the farsi page was available and I tried to create English version but I couldn't find resources. There is another user who has created the exsiting Frasi page, he will create the English page. So I prefer just delete one I have built, then that would be easier for him. Would you please delete this draft page or let me know how can I do that?
Regards
Solmaz

== Draft: Liam Goligher ==

You gave me a number of suggestions which I am working on. I apologize, but I am used to writing for business (Fortune 500 companies, for example) where one has to make things interesting, so my style was off. I have cut it down as you suggested.

It will take time to address some, because I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. How do I save my work. My only option seems to be RESUBMIT and I know it is not yet ready.

1. Surely the NY Times is not the only kind of news outlet of significance. It may depend on the field. In this case, Christianity Today is the most significant news outlet, with tens of millions of readers in both print and online and many more browsers, of course. In psychology it would be something else. There is one major citation from that news outlet. Dr. Goligher has kicked off probably the biggest Debate within conservative American Christianity in at least 60 years. Hardly insignificant.
;Wikipedia requires indepth coverage in multiple [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

2. I am having trouble with a photo of Dr. Goligher. We were provided a current photo from his church, as I would think is appropriate. Apparently they put a copyright on it. How do we get around that?
:We don't get around that, either take a photograph yourself and upload it or leave the article without one. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
3. Many of the links are, as you noted to other Wiki articles. Dr. Goligher has connections with dozens of people and organizations which already have Wiki pages. In addition to citations, there seem to be links based on phrases and keywords which change color when a person runs the cursor over them. Dozens of my citations can be replaced by those. How does one do that?
:This has been shown to you on the draft article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
4. How does one deal with bound copies of sets of CDs and MP3 which do not have ISBN numbers? These are as important teaching tools as his books, I would guess even more so. At just one major conference of a major Christian denomination, 600 people grabbed up the first set. Much important information is now being shared orally, via such sets.

5. I hear that there is software that takes the ISBN number and creates the entry for books. Do I have to do that, or does it happen automatically?

As you can see. I am not ready to resubmit, but I am working on it. So how do I save my work?
:When you are in edit mode there is a large blue save changes button click it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for any help. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 04:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Please accept my apology, I did not mean to include soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia. Would you please show me examples of these being included, so I know not to include them in my edits again. Thank you

Ok thank you, I will add references to the article.
:For example "a creative performance and painting artist with a unique style of work combining performance, painting and music" and " has drawn international acclaim for her provocative, powerful and bold works." and "Amos’ dramatic work is her understanding of the human condition, a response to the world around her and with an underlying narrative of her life and experiences." are promotional and not neutral tone and unreferenced. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I talked to the reviewer. The problem is that Liam Goligher practices Christian humility to a fault. He suggested that we create a 'stub' of what we can verify and get that much out there. I think that is appropriate. More sources will come forward, I expect. He is too much in the limelight. I'll follow the reviewer's guidance. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 18:55, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

I understand that you are ignoring me
So
According to my knowledge You just are not doing your job
I will have contact company headquarters
and discuss your style of work — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 
:We are all volunteers here it is NOT my job! You are being paid to write an article about your company. I feel no desire to help you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Sorry
I could not find your respond
I was thinking you are ignoring me

I will contact headquarters and now
and the return to our discussion — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

== gromel snowboards ==

I did contact headquarters and aborted
My previous request

Sorry for misunderstanding
your respond was attached to my question it is why I could not find it in the beginning.

So
I can write more information about the subject
May you please send me some article that I can use as an example
Also
As I mentioned before in my "angry" letter We do have 4 patents
To me document officially provided by State are independent sources
Also we have provide number of links on Internet and runet

Our goal was writing in encyclopedia that we are first company in USSR - Russia who build snowboard
and still making this product here in USA being american company of course for 10 years now

Please look at these articles
and let me know where exactly gromel snowboards draft needs to be corrected
and I will certainly do that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donek_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTB_(company)

Thanks
Aleksey — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 05:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

==hello==
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am concerned about retribution for asking questions

You found my other account by my e-mail address correct? [[User:Lowlowprofile|Lowlowprofile]] ([[User talk:Lowlowprofile|talk]]) 14:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

you look like a nice guy :)
:I think you should assume good faith, the editor you are accusing of retribution is very well respected and would do no such thing. Your edit history is available to view by anyone. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== 749 ==

drat. will i never catch you? -- [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
:ha haa it's not a race. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Hi, I see you marked my page for deletion. It would help if you said why, rather than waste my time. I've got a decade of experience in the area of kettlebells and trying to contribute, but just deleting stuff doesn't help or anyone else. What is the user page for if not for what I posted? I'm trying to keep it short without advertising, just displaying the reason why my edits and contributions are valuable. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 08:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Taco fleur}}, an editor's user page is a place to tell about themselves, sure, but it's not a place to ''promote'' oneself. If I had to guess it would be the "missions" part of your userpage that is the issue, because it sounds like you're trying to sell something (even if you aren't). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC) {{tps}}
:{{tps}} {{reply|Taco fleur}} quite. it definitely has a social media/webhost/nothing to do with editing wikipedia feel to it. You could look at our user pages for a better idea of content. [[Wikipedia:User page design center]] has information that can help you design a user page.
::For your information, Taco fleur offers [https://www.upwork.com/jobs/_~0134e2a2990933d2e2/ $100 on this website] for a recreation of the deleted page. --[[User:Shev123|Shev123]] ([[User talk:Shev123|talk]]) 17:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Taco Fleur has to offer money to people to help him understand what it is that Wikipedia EXACTLY wants to see, because he spends hours genuinely setting something up, which then gets deleted at the push of a button. While better content could be achieved if the person deleting stuff actually opens his eyes and looks a bit deeper, asks questions, communicates. Take my personal profile for example, I had no mention of brands, just my experience and what I wanted to do on wikipedia to help, which I understand is exactly what it needs to say, but still not good enough. Do I need to write a special tone that I just don't have??? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 

:::It would be easier for {{u|Taco fleur}} to just request it be undeleted so they can remove the garbage. Or simply recreate it from scratch; it's just a userpage. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|Taco fleur}} This page might help you [[Wikipedia:User page design center/About you]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Taco fleur}}, I think you'll find that ''most'' of the comments here have had indications of what you could do to improve the page. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 19:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I give up. Spend hours trying to get it to where it's suitable and someone just deleted it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Didn't see the timeframe, but the user page ''has'' been restored. Case closed? [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:You might want to take a look at [[Deletionpedia]], if you're looking to copy some information which was in the deleted article.--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! Please provide some further explanation regarding an edit you made to Afran Nisho. ==

I'm afraid that I didn't quite get why you removed the list of appearances in [[Afran Nisho]]. I'm guessing that it was because of a lack of sources. [[Talk:Afran_Nisho#Removal_of_list_of_appearances.|Relevant talk page section.]]--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:I did explain in the edit summary. I removed the large list of appearances because it was unreferenced, I kept the few that were referenced even though they are not notable appearances. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you!--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 09:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto ==

Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto so quickly and giving helpful feedback. I agree that it needs more work (notability, reliability, objectivity).
Mike — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mikemorrell49|Mikemorrell49]] ([[User talk:Mikemorrell49#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mikemorrell49|contribs]]) 14:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Q on reference source language ==

== 16:09:38, 3 November 2017 review of submission by Mikemorrell49 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mikemorrell49|ts=16:09:38, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:BredaPhoto}}

This is not a re-review just a question.
You recently reviewed the page Draft:BredaPhoto and your feedback on notability, reliability and objectivity was very helpful. Thanks for this! The BredaPhoto event is an international event both in terms of participating photographers and in terms of visitors. BredaPhoto is also mentioned in multiple English language Wikipedia articles about the city of Breda. For both reasons, I was asked to write an English language page on the history of BredaPhoto and the next event. I'm a volunteer for BredaPhoto and I've declared a possible COI on the talk page. I fully understand the requirement to refer to independent sources of information to confirm notabilty and reliabilty. There are independent sources (newspaper and magazine articles) for this page but most - if not all - are in Dutch. BredaPhoto is a more important topic to cover in the Netherlands than in the 'international' countries. So my question is: would Dutch language sources be valid as references for an English language Wikipedia page? If you could point me to a page where this question has already been answered, that would be fine too. I've not found an answer so far.
Mike
:Whilst English language references would be ideal, there is nothing to stop you using Dutch ones as long as they are reliable and independent. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:20:51, 3 November 2017 review of submission by VivaLaPandaz ==
{{Lafc|username=VivaLaPandaz|ts=22:20:51, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bubbies_Fine_Foods}}

You rejected my submission commenting that too many of the references point to the company's own website. I have added additional references in the External links section, but should those instead be worked into the post content?
:Yes please... Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything said or published by Bubbies Fine Foods. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them: the article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 20:54:43, 4 November 2017 review of submission by BibianaG ==
{{Lafc|username=BibianaG|ts=20:54:43, 4 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bibiana_Goldenthal}}

Hello,
The person who's page i'm editing is my voice teacher.
She is an 84 year old woman, and has contributed much to the music world in her life.
Unfortunately, she is a modest person, and did not request much of her work published.
I have gathered from her newspaper clippings (some in hebrew and some in english), photos, and attributions from famous musicians and conductors.
All I wanted was for her to have a page on Wikipedia in her life time, but i just can't seem to get the editing right, and my page edit keeps being declined.
I would much appreciate a guideline to what kind of improvements my edit could have?
I have linked other sites where she is referenced. I have attached newspaper clipping mentioning her.
I've added pictured of her playing in an opera.
I even added some of her work to youtube!
She is already mentions in some page on this site (her students' pages),
but her page is still declined.

Please advice.
:The reference [http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Goldenthal-Bibiana.htm] is a good one. The photographs of newspaper cuttings are possibly useful if you know the date and title of the newspaper then they can also be used as a source. Any other newspaper articles would also help. Youtube is not considered a reliable source I'm afraid. Just find some more [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Please realise though that as you know her you have a conflict of interest. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
::Please NEVER copy and paste content from other pages though as you did from here [https://www.jamd.ac.il/en/content/bibiana-goldenthal] [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:34, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

==AfC==
I've accepted [:Josef Alois Ladurner]]. anyone with an entry on Grove is notable, even if the article is otherwise incomplete '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 07:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Ok I wasn't able to verify any of the references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Kingston University]] ==

Hi Theroadislong. I wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frenchbook&oldid=808849315#Your_edits_to_Kingston_University this message] on the talk page of the problematic editor after their latest revert. Within minutes, they blanked their whole talk page. Humph! I'm kind of assuming that if there weren't a ''significant'' COI, they wouldn't have done that. I'll keep an eye on the article and if they keep up the shenanigans and refuse to discuss on the talk page, I may take this to the [[WP:COIN|COI Noticeboard]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== An article you have been editing is under discretionary sanctions ==

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== Request on 11:03:32, 6 November 2017 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Svenalamo ==
{{anchor|11:03:32, 6 November 2017 review of submission by Svenalamo}}
{{Lafc|username=Svenalamo|ts=11:03:32, 6 November 2017|declinedtalk=Draft:Josef_Alois_Ladurner}}



Hi, I have edited the article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Alois_Ladurner
I believe the issues should be solved now. Could you please check and remove the copyright template?
Thanks!

[[User:Svenalamo|Svenalamo]] ([[User talk:Svenalamo|talk]]) 11:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:It's the edit history that needs redacting and I am not an admin so can't do this. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Humans are apes ==

Hi there :)! You reverted my edit a while ago in [[Creation and evolution in public education|this article]]. I'm not going to edit war over something so tiny but I would like to point out that humans ''are'' apes descended from monkeys. Not only the respective articles say so, Richard Dawkins [http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm does too]. That change I made was not incorrect. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/145.90.81.46|145.90.81.46]] ([[User talk:145.90.81.46#top|talk]]) 16:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Thank you - Prof Askari Draft ==

Thank you for your comments. Really appreciated.
I am on the learning curve as formatting is not my expertise. Would you able to help me in referencing format as I made several errors doing it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Syedahmerraza|Syedahmerraza]] ([[User talk:Syedahmerraza#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Syedahmerraza|contribs]]) 20:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Disruptive Editing ==

Hi,

I work at Verve Records, specifically in the digital marketing department, and we have decided to switch the introduction paragraph to what I had edited based on the current state of our label. I would not consider this "disruptive editing," and if there are any problems please feel free to email me at [email protected] or [email protected].

Nick — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup]] ([[User talk:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|contribs]]) 20:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything you want to say about your company. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. Sentences like “holds the world’s richest jazz catalogue and features seminal recordings from legendary artists” and “ recently expanded to scope newer artists while also keeping true to its roots” are just marketing puffery and certainly not acceptable in an encyclopaedia article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 20:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

== Agilsoft ==

I have taken out more pitchy comments and added some additional links to justify my claims. As a private company in a relatively small and emerging area, third party evaluations such as PC Magazine have been linked. However, there is less evaluation and third party content than with more traditional links. I have reduced the bios of the team as well. I would point out that roughly 2/3rds of the links are to non-Agiloft links. I merely pointed to Agiloft to justify claims they were making, which seem reasonable to me, e.g. pricing, money back guarantee, etc.

Please let me know if you have additional objections. I will fix them.

Alistair Davidson — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alistairdavidson|Alistairdavidson]] ([[User talk:Alistairdavidson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alistairdavidson|contribs]]) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) 
:As another reviewer has commented your draft [[Draft:Agilsoft]] Reads more like a press release, than a formal, neutral article. Linked in is never a good source and Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. The list of customers sourced to their own website needs to go as does the list of resellers and the team section none of this belongs in an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theroadislong|contribs]]) 10:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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== 16:13:33, 11 November 2017 review of submission by Wikidocs ==
{{Lafc|username=Wikidocs|ts=16:13:33, 11 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Percival}}

Hello, could you please provide more details on what you would like to see on improvements? The awards are national and sponsored by international banks (Lloyd’s Bank), national newspapers (Telegraph) and reliable sources (Richtopia, Rise Global & Business Insider). The notability is also via entrepreneurial success and as a figurehead of public-interest brands, the subject represents the leader for notable names in music etc and is cited in related WP pages (without link to this subject, as this page does not currently exist). Public like to have access to details of these leaders and is seen widely on WP, and would link from related articles.

Sources are broad and include primary and secondary from national newspapers (broadsheet, tabloid) and national magazines and well respected business sources. Also from the likes of BT and Virgin.

It would be prudent to understand how you would like to see the article develop before approving it? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:None of the awards are notable in Wikipedia terms i.e. they don't have their own articles yet. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Ok, but another reviewer has just contradicted this by saying whether something else has an article or not is irrelevant? Still not sure on what you want me to do to improve it, as it’s not just about the awards and you’ve failed to address my other questions. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 
:::I have removed a lot of puffery and non neutral tone content, so it's easier to see what we have left. I think it still needs some more reliable sources which aren't local press release types or interviews and if you have a connection with the article's subject you should declare it on your user page. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, thanks for your input and help. I’ve no connection other than being a fan of one of his artists signed to Jigsaw Records (which why I’ve got an interest in his background which I think should be shared publicly). I’ll try and find more sources and add them in. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::: I’ve now added in several further sources from various origins, along with some further relevant information which I found on the way. Hopefully, you will now agree there are sufficient sources and that the article can be approved? Thank you for your help with editing it too, really appriciate it.[[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::: [[re:Theroadislong]] More edits have been made and an image added from Wiki Commons which was on file. Look forward to hearing your views on the additional sources. Hopefully this is now acceptable? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== FTB LLC ==

Hi Theroadislong. My submission was just denied and I am interested in learning the specifics as to why so I can improve. I have listed multiple articles about the company that support its notability in External Links. The company has published multiple books, some by well-known authors. In looking at other small publishing company pages, I see they have less information than my article and were approved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macleay_Press and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_Publications). Can you please help me understand? Thanks in advance!
[[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 19:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Your article [[Draft:Fig Tree Books LLC]] was declined because Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As far as I can see none of your references are about the company? It may be that some of the many external links could be used as references instead. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::The two other publisher articles you list [[Macleay Press]] and [[Gryphon_Publications]] are VERY poor quality and should probably be listed for deletion. There are many poor quality articles on Wikipedia, created when standards were lower. See [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply. There are four articles featuring the company from The Times of Israel, Foreword Reviews, Shelf Awareness, and Lilith. I moved them out of the External Links section into a Notes section to make them more accessible and the page more organized. I also added a book award to The Sea Beach Line. Would you mind looking again? Sincerely appreciate. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 22:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Is there any content in the links that can be used in the article then they can be added as references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hi Theroadislong. Thanks so much for your help. I followed your suggestions and cited sources of information in the body of the article so they are now references. I believe this will do the trick and would be very grateful if you looked again. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 17:57, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kaleshwaram Project ==

Hi, what is a acceptable reference? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 22:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC) 
:You have added 5 references that look like they might be suitable, but the Wikipedia links are not required you have already used them in the article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
-K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57#top|talk]]) 01:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Kaleshwaram Project - Kaleshwaram Lift Irrigation Scheme ==

i've added all required references...when this will be approved and available for public wiki? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 01:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Penny Rolls(Help) ==

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
[[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57|talk]]) 03:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant
:I'm sorry I have not the remotest idea what you are asking here, but good luck with your project. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== 07:53:55, 14 November 2017 review of submission by FriendlyB ==
{{Lafc|username=FriendlyB|ts=07:53:55, 14 November 2017|declined=Draft:Dr._Petry_Textile_Auxiliaries}}

Dear Thereodislong,

thank you for reviewing the draft "Dr. Petry Textile Auxiliaries".

For the sources, I cited independent sources, such as
- http://www.genios.de/fachzeitschriften/artikel/MTB/20080617/umweltschutz-und-nachhaltigkeit-in-/060817061.html
- https://www.biooekonomie-bw.de/de/fachbeitrag/aktuell/insektenchitin-macht-textilherstellung-nachhaltiger/

In order to have more evidence, I added information from further independent sources and references:
- https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/companies/6311207Z:GR-textilchemie-dr-petry-gmbh
- https://www.bluesign.com/industry/chemical-suppliers/references/textilchemie-dr-petry

Thank you in advance for re-reviewing.

== Help with a company entry (Pendo) ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Thanks for reviewing my intro for Pendo [[Draft:Pendo]]. I understand that you didn't feel that the article met the criteria for a company page, but I would love to get more feedback on how I might improve it. I did a bunch of research on what's acceptable prior to writing and submitting, but mostly what I found most helpful was looking at comparable pages on Wikipedia and try to use them as templates. For example, I looked at [[SimilarWeb]] and [[Walkme]]. Granted, my draft was shorter than these examples, but I really tried to keep it as neutral as possible so as not to get too marketing-like.

Would love to hear from you how you think I can improve the draft in light of these thoughts.

Thanks,
[[User:Hillameller|Hillameller]] ([[User talk:Hillameller|talk]])hillameller —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 09:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 
:I have removed blatant promotional puffery from your draft, the fact that you don't see it is precisely why people with conflicts of interest are not encouraged to create articles about their own companies. My advice would be to wait until someone unconnected with the company does it for you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== 17:04:19, 14 November 2017 review of submission by Timslater ==
{{Lafc|username=Timslater|ts=17:04:19, 14 November 2017|declined=Draft:Fat_Lama}}

Hi Theroadislong. Many thanks for reviewing my draft for Fat Lama. I've deleted a few sections which sounded a little advertorial - apologies, I'm used to working with marketing materials.

Very grateful if you could offer further feedback on the latest draft, or if applicable, approve it.

Many thanks.

[[User:Timslater|Timslater]] ([[User talk:Timslater|talk]]) 17:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
:I'll leave it for another reviewer to comment this time but your company doesn't appear notable enough. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== Prince Johnny C ==

I have resubmitted the PJC article. I have included a number of citations and have detailed the notability criteria that the article meets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music). Let me know if you need anything else. [[User:Jayhova4x4|Jayhova4x4]] ([[User talk:Jayhova4x4|talk]]) 01:19, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:21:16, 16 November 2017 review of submission by 5.95.100.80 ==
{{Lafc|username=5.95.100.80|ts=22:21:16, 16 November 2017|declined=Draft:Siena_International_Photo_Awards}}

Hi, I've added this many independent newspapers talking about Siena International Photo awards in the external links:

The Guardian, 2016 edition
The Guardian, 2016 edition
Business Insider
Geo.de
Geo.de
NPR
Spiegel
Daily Mail
Weekly Times
Ami Vitale
Il Sole 24 Ore

What should I do in order to make it reliable?
:Please read [[WP:REFB]] for help with formatting sources. Your list of external links needs to be converted to inline citations. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 07:55, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== 10:36:34, 17 November 2017 review of submission by ChriSyuk ==
{{Lafc|username=ChriSyuk|ts=10:36:34, 17 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Ross}}

Chris Ross works in professional football. That is why he has notability. I forgot to add (footballer) to the title. You'll see from his background he has been notably at a number of Scottish Professional football clubs.
::Chris Ross is not mentioned here [http://rosscountyfootballclub.co.uk/news/archive/rcfc-foundation-heritage-exhibition-launch/] or here [http://www.therosscountyfoundation.org/heritage/] this source [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGHm4FUmd4E] is Youtube and not reliable, this source [https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisrossss] is Linked in and not reliable, this source [http://www.scottishsporthistory.com/sports-history-news-and-blog/a-celebration-of-highland-football-heritage-in-dingwall] is a passing mention we need multiple in depth coverage of Chris Ross to establish notability. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== 18:15:35, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Giobenjamin ==
{{Lafc|username=Giobenjamin|ts=18:15:35, 17 November 2017|declined=Draft:Jo_Palma}}

The added citations are not self published. The Youtube video is posted by pechakucha which is TEDTalk but for architects. I changed the citation link btw. Also if other architects and news sources refer to something as internationally renowned/globally known, I cant insert that into the article?(What if i cite it?). All the citations are about him being apart of each specific project. None are "Self Published", the other architect pages are absolutely horrid in comparison but they still are able to make the cut. This article i wrote has all the proper citation proving he has worked on each projects as the senior architect. Do you know the SQ Ft of nato Hq? no you dont because there is no wikipedia article which im trying to work backwards to create. This architect created these projects and i'm trying to get this article up and you cut it down with poor criticism and lack of information that is needed to make this apart of wikipedia even though all the information is correct.....not fair.
:I don't recall saying anything about self published sources? I declined your article because it reads like an advert it starts with "He is an internationally renowned architect, having designed iconic skyscrapers" [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Article about Shane Berkery ==

Hi @Theroadislong

1. This article is not about myself. This is not intended to be an autobiography - although Shane is a relative.
2. All the sources are relevant and reputable. Let me know if there is a specific one with which you have a question and I clarify or remove. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Berko45|Berko45]] ([[User talk:Berko45#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berko45|contribs]]) 21:01, 17 November 2017 (UTC) 

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peter_Hotez ==

You wrote: Not done I'm sorry but no one is going to even consider this giant wall of text please suggest proposed changes one by one, sentence by sentence. Theroadislong (talk) 20:49, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that would work because the problem is the layout of the current article is really bad so it kind of needs a total reorg. Is there someone who could look at it as a new article or something like that? Thanks again for your help. Nate Wolf Nwolf 1470 — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nwolf1470|Nwolf1470]] ([[User talk:Nwolf1470#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nwolf1470|contribs]]) 21:12, 17 November 2017 (UTC) 
:I have changed a couple of headings as per your request. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[René Redzepi]] page ==

Hi there. I was in the process of trying to improve and update [[René Redzepi]]'s Wiki page -- which meant I would need to untangle the mess between his page and the Noma page. But that editor pretty much spooked me and drove me off the page over the external link issue. I saw you edited and wanted to thank you for that. I'm getting very discouraged from contributing after dealing this this guy and previously Jytdog. They aren't even really editing and contributing, are just deleting. It's sort of a nightmare. Very disheartened. Hope all is well with you. Thanks again. Best, Erika aka [[User:BrillLyle|BrillLyle]] ([[User talk:BrillLyle|talk]]) 03:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

== David Cassidy ==

I made a mistake. When you Google search "David Cassidy death", Google presents a dialogue box showing he died. As far as the link I provided, I only read the summary that was provided on the Google page. Had I clicked the link, I would have saw that Google was incorrect in reporting a death date and that it was a hoax.

[[User:Stevebradley1|Stevebradley1]] ([[User talk:Stevebradley1|talk]]) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 13:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC) 

:Ok no worries, we all make mistakes, have a good day. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== my external link ==

Hello,
No need to be aggressive. Are you the owner of the Bob Dylan article?
I do not really see what the problem is: what I have added is not a commercial link, as you can check by yourself.
I thought Wikipedia was a participative work, and I was only participating, by adding a link that can be usefull to people interested in Bob Dylan.
May be you could explain me why it cannot be added...
All the best. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Michpom|Michpom]] ([[User talk:Michpom#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michpom|contribs]]) 17:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC) 
:In your 7 years of editing Wikipedia your only edits have been to add your own website to the Bob Dylan page this what we call spamming. Please read [[WP:ELONO]]. Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites are not encouraged. You are welcome to start a discussion at [[Talk:Bob Dylan]] and if there is consensus for it's inclusion it can be added. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Speedy declined ==

I've declined your speedy deletion nomination of [[Wikipedia talk:Mrecords]]. This page was created from an improper move of [[:User:Preeze36]]. I have posted a technical move request to have the page moved back to its proper place; deletion would only disrupt the page history. (Given this user's editing pattern, I think preserving the history of this page might be important for future discussions.) [[User:WikiDan61|WikiDan61]][[User talk:WikiDan61|ChatMe!]][[Special:Contributions/WikiDan61|ReadMe!!]] 18:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hugo Huerta Marin ==

Thanks theroadislong. There is printed press in the us and Mexico that I am not sure how to upload, having the page online would make it much easier to understand the context of the project Portrait of an Artis please let me know. [[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 15:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying and apologies for the misunderstanding. I have had changed the links to references and I think this is good to go, can you please verify the page is now good to go?

Thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hugo_Huerta_Marin
Hi, I removed the links from the references as you kindly suggested. Is there anything else I have to do on my side, otherwise can you please revise the page again? THANK YOU![[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 01:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:You have misunderstood what was required I have removed the external links from the body of the article for you and replaced your reference list. You need to read [[WP:REFB]] and place citations to support each statement of fact at the end of each line. You need in-depth coverage of the subject in sources which are independent of the subject. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:47, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

[[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 14:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:I will let another reviewer take a look, I am concerned that the references as they stand are not enough to establish your notability and you appear to be using another account to edit the autobiographic article.[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I understand, we were trying to figure out if the issue was that I was writing the article, as I said before it would be much easier to understand the context of the project Portrait of an Artist for future exhibitions and references, if not I understand. Please let me know if I have to re submit for another viewer to take a look or if I shall just wait for your feedback. Thanks and best[[User:HugoHuertaMarin|HugoHuertaMarin]] ([[User talk:HugoHuertaMarin|talk]]) 16:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:You say "we", Wikipedia accounts are strictly for single person use only. Creating another account to disguise the fact you are writing an autobiography is [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sock puppetry]] the problem with the draft as it stands is the lack of in depth independent sources discussing you which it needs to establish notability. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::I see the draft has been deleted because of copyright infringement. I strongly suggest you wait until someone unconnected with you writes the article, which they will once you are shown to be notable enough. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== request to approve my wiki page ==

Hi...
This is kishore TK I found my page was disapproved you check my Owasp wiki here https://www.owasp.org/index.php/KishoreTK . I hope you will be approving my page.
thanks! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kishoretk18|Kishoretk18]] ([[User talk:Kishoretk18#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kishoretk18|contribs]]) 17:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Having a poorly referenced autobiography at owasp.org is nothing to do with getting an article approved at Wikipedia? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== VisualBash & my lack of objectivity... ==

Greetings Theroadislong,

Is there a way that I can share my correspondence with the small (but lazy) VisualBash Community?

I really have no sales agenda, what I really want is for folks to see this and help me understand why this framework has helped me become a better programmer (...and finally satisfy my wife Ally's programming needs :^)

Anyway, if you know of anyone who can help me achieve the proper "Zeitgeist", something I apparently() completely lack (I was never one of the cool, Symbolic Logic, Boolean or crypto kids, - a sad story... The entire Internet took place and all I got was this domain name, [email protected], which you are most welcome to use in correspondence if need be).

Finally Theroadislong the horror it all is the vanity that I can actually write, I just do not know what I should write. I just invented VisualBash, and want to tell people that it is very cool.

Maybe what you need is somewhere on http://visualbash.org.

Finally, thanks for taking the time to review my submission.

Sincerely,

Paul Flint
[[User:Flintiii|Flintiii]] ([[User talk:Flintiii|talk]]) 21:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== Jigsaw Records ==

Do not change a page for which the entity has trademark protection, and the contents you are changing it to is not the same entity. This is against the law [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 22:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Article missing? Antonino da Patti ==

Greetings, FYI at [[Talk:Antonino da Patti]] Revision history - the ''article'' tab is red linked. Unable to find the article. If article was deleted, should talk go as well? I'm just reporting here as I don't know how to correct. Regards,  [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] [[User_talk:JoeHebda|(talk) ]] 16:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|JoeHebda}}, and thanks for picking that up. I'd gone and moved the talk page instead of the article itself, not the first time by any means that I've made that particular dumb mistake (I really wish there was a pop-up warning when you try to do that). It's fixed now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni ==

AWB applies ''automatic'' formatting fixes to an article ''independently'' of the specific edit that a user is making — so if it made bad formatting changes of its own while I was in the process of applying the {{tl|uncategorized}} tag, that's a ''software'' bug that needs to be addressed by AWB's programmers, and not a personal error on ''my'' part. And the "uncategorized" tag ''has'' to be there if the article doesn't have any categories on it, so you don't get to dismiss that as a "useless" edit that nobody should have been making at all — there were almost 1,500 articles on the uncategorized articles list yesterday, of which I didn't even manage to get through half so there are still over 800, so one software bug on one article does not require me to forego AWB and ''manually'' tag them all as uncategorized one by one. And further, if you're not familiar with how AWB works, there's no way for me to have "seen I screwed up", as you so angrily put it; it does not ''show'' you the "after" view of a page after you've applied an edit, but rather moves on to the next page in the batch. So I'm sorry it happened, but none of it represents ''me'' screwing up or acting irresponsibly. If there's a bug in AWB's "automated cleanup" programming, that's for AWB's programmers to fix. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 16:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

==Polli==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for your kind message. :-) That user has been blocked on it.wiki as well and we worked on his page too. Thanks for remembering me so kindly the policies about pages' chronology, I know them, since I am sysop on it.wiki since 2006. :-)) But this is a different case. I will try to explain it with my English. At the beginning, I published that text in Polli Corporation, but after a while I discovered that Polli Corporation was a different company (even if not notable and a vandalism), so I copied my text in [[Polli (company)]], a new page. Please note that it was a ''new'' and rewritten page, created from scratch. :) The page [[Polli Corporation]] should be deleted, while the other one is totally new, therefore - in this case - it is not correct to keep the chronology of a vandalism, and I am actually the first user who wrote that text. Hope it helps. Cheers. :) --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 03:11, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes]] ==

Heyo Justlettersandnumbers and thank you for your comments. I have been away from the process and I am not sure about what happens next. I was wondering if your queries were resolved, could you restore the tick per Ashorocetus' review for its promotion? I saw something similar at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jochen Rindt]] and thought I should message you. Regards, '''''[[User:Yash!|Ya]][[User talk:Yash!|sh]][[Special:Contributions/Yash!|!]]''''' 04:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

== Diana ==
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Hi Jlan. I am back from yoga class and ready to start working in Diana, Princess of Wales. If you could tell me which diffs you have cleared that would be perfect. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Diannaa}}, I did the last seven on my list (# 104–110), and have already removed them from there. The diffs from 111 on shouldn't need checking because that's where I optimistically rolled it back to when I first identified the problem. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I am going to work on it for a couple hours, so stay off for now. Thanks so much for your help. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I am stopping for now. I have completed to and including #85 on your list. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Wow! That's heroic – and the end is in sight. I'll try to do some more tomorrow, working on the other large project in my sandbox at the moment. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I have finished the rest of the diffs and will be revision-deleting back to the diff about the coat of arms that we talked about. Thanks again for your help with clean-up of this article. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 20:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

== JMO ==

I smell a sockpuppet: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Neonhorseranch&diff=next&oldid=702471679]. Just my opinion. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

==On ethnicity of [[Giovanni Battista Pittoni]]==
I did revert back to Italian. See talk page for artist. No one denies the truth of your assertion, but the consensus has been to call such persons "Italian", and I think there are good reasons for that.
Sydney Joseph Freedberg in his volume, titled "Painting in Italy, 1500-1600", discusses painters from Milan to Venice to Naples. The same is true for Rudolf Wittkower in his Pelican History of Art, "Art and Architecture Italy, 1600-1750". GB Pittoni is mentioned in page 91. Both these are major works in the topic by major scholars. They see a role for using the term "Italian" to describe painters from these regions in these eras. If this is still very contentious, the prior debate would have to be re-opened.[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 19:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

== New sock of "Alec Smithson" ==
Will you report "Max"? I'm off PC, and just with tablet this goes badly..--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 21:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, just doing it now. It couldn't be much more obvious, could it? We should mention this to {{u|Lucas}} too, as he's made a similar account on Italian wp, Utente:Max Araldi. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Yopie}} Thanks, is there any ip check (check user, I mean) to see? Thanks! --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 02:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Lucas}}, Max was blocked on behavioural similarity. {{u|Yopie}} filed an [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alec Smithson|SPI]] but didn't request checkuser. Regards (to both), [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Yopie}} Ok, it was too old to check (I thought there could be multiple ips), so it's a [[WP:DUCK|duck]]. Thank you both. --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 09:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Lucas}}, checkusers won't link IPs to registered accounts – at least, not publicly. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I am not used to ask for a check directly here on en.wiki and I do know that the policy (at least should) apply interwiki, but as you can see [[:it:Wikipedia:Check user/Richieste|"''sometimes''" it happens]]. ;) In any case, a checkuser may say "yes, there is a postive link with 3 ips that are trying to avoid the block". --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 17:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::AFIK as former CsArbComm member, this is possible for a checkuser, but you must explicitly demand it. But they dont like it and usualy they prefer behaviour check. With "Alec" we not need it, because his poor English and obsession with Natoli.--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 00:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== David W. Allan ==

I see you were the one to strip the [[David_W._Allan]] page. David is my father. We spent a lot of time creating that page, with references, etc. I can't fathom why you stripped it. He is a world-leading scientist. What are you? IEEE is doing a feature issue on his Allan Variance soon. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/publications/tr/special-issue-variance-50th.asp

I see that older versions of that page here are unavailable to restore to. Why?

It's this kind of nonsense that spurred me 12 years ago to start http://PESWiki.com, the best exotic free energy website in the world. I can't stand the kind of idiocy that occurs here at Wikipedia, personified by what you just did to the article about my dad. A lot of people worked on that page, then you stripped it, for no good reason.

You should be banned from Wikipedia, but you're probably one of its key administrators.

How do we restore that page? How do we banish you?

-- [[User:Sterlingda|Sterlingda]] ([[User talk:Sterlingda|talk]]) 00:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Sterlingda}} The page will not be restored. The content was removed and old revisions deleted due to copyright violations. (See the [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=David_W._Allan}} log].) — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 02:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Terreña==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Parnall ==

Thanks for deleting all of the copyvio stuff on [[Parnall]]. I am amazed it could have been undetected for over 13 years. Is it OK to remove some of the empty sub heads etc or should I wait until an admin has done the deletion request? — [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 16:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Rodw}}, and thank you so much for noticing that copyvio and listing it – kudos! You should feel free to edit the remaining skeleton of the page in any way you like (apart from, obviously, sticking back any of the copyvio!), there's no need to wait. As for the age, this has set a new record for me – version 169,000-odd of Wikipedia! It might also have been the oldest text without any significant references in Wikipedia, but who knows? I wish you luck with it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Over my head ==

If you can pop over to [[Međimurje horse]] and help {{u|Tsaag Valren}}, she's got a project going where she's trying to get the horse articles consistent on wikidata, and apparently we have two articles on the same horse breed -- I think. The language issues are over my head, and Tsaag is very active on French wiki, but she values help with her English, so I thought that you might be able to be of more help to her on this project than I am. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]|GO [[Thunder (mascot)|THUNDER!]] 04:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Johannes Engel==
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}} — [[User:Coffee|<big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee</big>]] // [[user talk:Coffee|have a cup]] // [[Special:Contributions/Coffee|beans]] // 12:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your continued investigations into textual copyright violations such as at [[Anu Malhotra]]. I'm sure you know, but I'll chip in, that it is very much appreciated. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Thank you, {{u|BethNaught}}, for your kind words! For a variety of reasons I've been able to do very little recently. The backlog is completely out of hand, but I'm hoping to chip away at it a bit more often from now on. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

== Bruce Silverstein Gallery ==

Justlettersandnumbers,
Can you please clarify your ongoing issue with the updates being made to the Bruce Silverstein Gallery page? Your comments from the previous edits: "Not an improvement; this page is about the gallery, not a person; copyright violations, too." If you look at other gallery wiki pages (i.e. Pace MacGill) the same format is being used and you do not take issue with this? The gallery owner of any gallery is a large part of the historical and contemporary program of the gallery. Might you suggest ways for the BSG page to be built in a more appropriate manner?

[[Special:Contributions/207.38.161.165|207.38.161.165]] ([[User talk:207.38.161.165|talk]]) 03:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! By far the best way forward for that page is for editors with a [[WP:COI|close personal or professional connection]] with the gallery to keep strictly away from the article and refrain entirely from editing it, but instead propose any desired change on the talk page, [[Talk:Bruce Silverstein Gallery]]. There are instructions on that page on how to do that. Please note that, if the [https://web.archive.org/web/20080206050534/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118125429882128346-search.html?KEYWORDS=silverstein+photography&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month WSJ] says the gallery was "in a 500-square-foot studio on the first floor of a townhouse on West 22nd Street in New York", you cannot simply copy that into Wikipedia; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not tolerated here (it's also against the law). I agree that our article on [[Peter MacGill]] needs attention. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Wondering about ==

a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SNAAAAKE!!#Copyright_problem:_Kaufering_concentration_camp warning] your placed on [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]] about content that had been in [[Kaufering concentration camp]]. I know that particular editor is blocked and could not find his name in the article's editing history (was thinking it could have been one of his socks?) Just curious about how the warning ended up on that user talk page. Thanks, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Shearonink}}! The copyvio at [[Kaufering concentration camp]] was added by user HanzoHattori in 2007. [[User talk:HanzoHattori]] redirects to [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]], so that's where I left the notice. I haven't looked at the sock history, though someone will need to if there turns out to be any pattern of copyright violation here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
::I figured it was something like that - what a tangled socking web. Thanks for answering my query, I'm always curious about how Wikipedia works. Cheers, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your work at [[Bobby Lockwood]] following the copyright violations - thanks. :-) [[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 13:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
|}
:Just letting you know I removed the circumflex accent from the word "role" - there shouldn't be one on that word. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::Er, are you quite sure about that, {{u|Chesnaught555}}? Here are [http://scholar.google.it/scholar?start=980&q=rôle+-role&hl=en&lr=lang_en&as_sdt=0,5 about 10 000 results on Google Scholar] which seem not to be aware of it. Perhaps you'd like to undo that edit? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah, my apologies. I will undo that. I didn't think the English language had circumflex accents. Still, my apologies, I'll revert it. --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} Well, [http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/15488/what-is-the-distinction-between-role-and-r%C3%B4le-with-a-circumflex TIL]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 18:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

==Just edited addition to the FIT article ==
Following your very good suggestions, I have sourced my post and placed it where it may more appropriately fit with other dates and foundational information about the college.[[User:Andesite39|Andesite39]] ([[User talk:Andesite39|talk]]) 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Green-legged Partridge==
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}} —[[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 00:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright? ==

Does [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infantilization&type=revision&diff=706758503&oldid=706676557 this edit] constitute a copyright violation? [[User:Hawaan12|Hawaan12]] ([[User talk:Hawaan12|talk]]) 04:35, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:Sorry to have been slow to reply, {{u|Hawaan12}}. I see why you ask, but I don't see any real copyvio problem there. However, as an aside, I don't think the ''Beckett and Phenomenology'' source is an appropriate one – it's discussing Beckett's language, not the definition of infantilisation. That should come from a text on that subject. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I did a small re-write a few days ago of the sections that had been highlighted. There's only so many ways to re-word a sentence, so I'm not sure how to approach it. Any suggestions would be appreciated, as it's certainly a notable biography. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 23:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:I saw that, {{u|Magnolia677}}, but I didn't feel that it had resolved the problem. Rather than re-wording of a sentence or two, what the page needs is to be rewritten in completely new words – your own words. The meaning of the source can freely be reproduced, but not in the same language that the source uses. It often helps if you avoid following the structure of the source too, and drawing from more than one source as you write can also help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== Alec Smithson ==

Well, my last ounce of good faith concerning the current IP at [[Carlo Biotti]] has completely disappeared. At first I thought he might have been a family member, but I'm now quite convinced that it's [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|Alec Smithson]]. Newbie attorney makes edits like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carlo_Biotti&type=revision&diff=707240710&oldid=707220347 this]? Uh huh. Do you think we should apply for page protection or just keep reverting him? The trouble is, as an IP they'll never block him for more than a couple of days [[File:SMirC-sad.svg|20px]] . [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! It's him for sure – I've been dealing with the same rubbish for months; {{u|Yopie}} has dealt with a good deal of it too. However, your family-member suggestion is not a dumb one. It took me a moment or two to realise that the two possibilities were not incompatible. The most likely reason for the lunatic obsession with people called Natoli and Polli is that they are relatives, Biotti may be another (see for example [[:File:Emilio Biotti Champion.jpg|this mis-named file]]).
:What to do? I've no idea – he changes IP all the time, and the level of disruption at any one article is not usually enough to justify protection. I think the only thing to do is to revert on sight without paying any attention at all to whatever he may be trying to say or engaging with him in any way. This is of course where we need those "more robust tools" against long-term abuse that we've asked the WMF for. I've nearly finished cleaning up and attributing his articles here (see [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/sandbox|the list here]]); those on it.wp and fr.wp are still mostly a total pig's breakfast, but I'm not planning to work on them. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::I wonder if a CBAN on Alec Smithson would be ideal here. It's clear that he's [[WP:NOTHERE]], not to mention an [[WP:CIR|incompetent]] sockmaster whose only intent is to cause havoc. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, he's already indeffed here and [[:m:Special:CentralAuth/Alec_Smithson|globally locked]]. I don't really see that a ban would give us any advantage in dealing with the IP-hopping, do you? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Fair enough sir. Perhaps range blocking the IPs would be within the community's best interest, if that has yet to be done? --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, well, well. A bit of googling this morning turns up '''lots''' of people with the double name of [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH Natoli Biotti], [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH#q=%22Polli++Natoli%22 Polli Natoli], and people related to both groups e.g. [http://www.geni.com/people/Maria-Polli/6000000024711190657 here]. It would certainly account for the... er... fervor of his outrage at "mistakes" in the articles. A range block would be difficult. He seems to use [[Telecom Italia]] IPs geolocated to the area around Milan with a range between (at least) 95... and 79... I'm sure they'd tell us it would affect way too many users. Anyhow, from now on, I'll just revert him without comment. Justlettersandnumbers, are there any other pages you'd like me to watch? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I think that's pretty much all we can do, and it's completely dependent on constant watching of the pages. So yes, please do add some to your watchlist if you have room. The most obsessive topics are Natoli, Polli, Lierna and Sperlinga, but take your pick from my list. Thanks for your help! Just in case you've any lingering good faith about the IP: [[Special:Contributions/79.31.142.172|definitive confirmation]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I've added all the (existing) pages he's created to my watchlist. Interesting pattern. Apart from stuff obviously related to the Natoli/Polli/Biotti clan, I suspect many of the artist biographies were for works which they own, followed by biographies of art historians to validate the material about the artists. Ditto the "historians of nobility". What an incredible time-sink this person has been, not to mention abusing my assumption of good faith by socking away at the same time he was claiming to be the "legal advisor" to Carlo Biotti's family. UGH! Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Excellent, thank you! Time-sink? You can say that again! Good thought about the artworks, that would explain the interest in obscure second- and third-rate artists (some of the fourth-rate ones got deleted). Your good faith was misplaced but does you credit. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Yours, all yours ==

Well-intentioned overeager newbie: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boerperd&oldid=709695405]. Old edits read like a copy-and-paste; I suspect the images are all copyvio too. Article was blanked as unreffed (probably copyvio) and redirected to [[Boer pony]], which could use some work anyway. I have other fish to fry. Have at it if you choose to, but perhaps the issue of whether we need revdel at [[Boerperd]] history is also something up your alley. Anyway, it's all yours. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:You saw what I've done. I didn't see any evidence of copyvio in either the English or the Afrikaans content added by the new editor; did you see anything specific? (I'll look again if you did) I added attribution for the part that was translated. I've nominated most of the images for deletion on Commons, but don't have the language skills to do the same on af.wp (that's a pretty impenetrable language!). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Forgot I had this watchlisted due to ancient dramahz. I took a look at Boerperd, and the stand-out thing was that the images are all credited to other individuals (in the captions in the article, as if this is a newspaper), but the author of the page uploaded them as self-owned, so that's a red flag. Dunno about the text; if it was translated from something in Afrikaans, it might be originally from elsewhere. Hope the image catch is helpful. — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 07:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's why I [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Justlettersandnumbers nominated most of them for deletion] – those that had a photographer or studio credited in the text, on the image itself, or in the EXIF data. A few of them didn't have any of those, and G-image searching didn't immediately throw up any evidence of copyvio; I imagine that the Commons admin who looks at the deletion requests will also look at other uploads, and be much smarter than I am at this kind of thing. I did use Earwig's tool to check for copyvio in the Afrikaans version of the page (which would have made ours a translational copyvio), but found no cause for anxiety. Unless you guys can see anything else to worry about here I really think we're in the clear (as far as text goes, anyway). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::The breathless "my magic pony is a unicorn" tone in the article kind of jumped out at me, which is probably why I was fretting ... best you handle this new editor. Actually, if they can be calmed down, sometimes the over-enthusiastic can become really good contributors; it really does depend on how much they are able to learn how things work on en.wiki. But on this one, glad to see you reach out to that editor and on this one, it is better you handle it, JLAN; I've got two mentees right now and both are going great guns, keeping me pretty busy (along with all the usual wiki-drahmahz elsewhere...). [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

==List of writers on horsemanship==
Please see my comment on the talk page. A list of written works is not suitable evidence of notability because it is not an independent source. [[User:IronGargoyle|IronGargoyle]] ([[User talk:IronGargoyle|talk]]) 23:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

:JLAN, FYI: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IronGargoyle#March_2016]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[:File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg]] ==

Hi Jlan. Could you do me a favour and see if you can find a permission email for this photo in the OTRS queue? It's been tagged as OTRS pending for a long time, and the email has been recently re-sent. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:Found it, but the permission wasn't entirely sufficient – I've had to ask for clarification. Fifteen months, eh? – but it looks as if it was them who dropped the ball. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for checking. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 19:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

::: Good Evening Jlan - a correction, at my request a different individual, the new (this year) Digital Marketing Manager for Studio Theater, sent a new email to [email protected] at 10:31am EDT 14 March 2016. This email included the following:

::: "I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

::: If necessary I can forward you the entire email, a copy of the email that she bcc'ed me

::: ed

::: [[User:Ecragg|Ecragg]] ([[User talk:Ecragg|talk]]) 02:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::: Yes, {{u|Ecragg}}, that is the ticket I found, read and added to the page with {{diff|File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg|710228145|710014229|this edit}}. However, the permission was not entirely sufficient, so I asked for further clarification. I've not heard back. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

== Possible copyright infringement? ==

Hello. I see that you detected copyright infringement in the Baltimore and Ohio article. I am suspecting that the article [[Building the Virginian Railway]] might count: If I were to look up some phases or excerpts from the latter article in quotations in Google Books, I usually get a result of the H. Reid book ''The Virginian Railway''. The searched excerpts includes the book result even if it doesn't mention the railroad. I can't copy any excerpt to my message in case it's copyrighted material. I don't have the book, but checking the contents of the book and verify any matched text will prove if there's an infringement or not (I'm not assuming you have the book). [[User:TheGGoose|TheGGoose]] ([[User talk:TheGGoose|talk]]) 03:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Simon of Athens==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Heh ==

Just so you know, I do run across articles you've worked on from multiple other sources: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw#Articles_you_might_like_to_edit.2C_from_SuggestBot_2]. BTW, thanks for doing Simon and congrats on the DYK. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Louise Blouin and Louise Blouin Media pages ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, Let me introduce myself, I’m working for Louise Blouin Media and I’ve tried to add some information on both Louise Blouin Media and Louise Blouin pages for more than one year! All information I added were certified information concerning our group, our brands, our developments or our Chairman. I noticed that you removed or restored 75 times contents on our pages! I do not understand why all our posts were suppressed,as contents and sources were relevant and perfectly neutrally sourced. It seems that you have a personal issue with those pages and that you deliberately are trying to harm our reputation, which is not acceptable. Best, Lbm usuer2015 — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{tps}} Please read [[WP:COI]], especially the section on [[WP:COI#COI editing strongly discouraged|conflict of interest editing]]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Need Help ==

I wrote an article named [[OC Osilliation]] a well known musician in Zambia and Southern Africa and is currently in America working with well known musicians like [[Akon]]. My article has been tagged that my article '''may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music''' so I need you to help me correct this please you can do your search and you will see that he meets the notability of [[Wikipedia]]. Please review my work. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Icem4k}}! It looks to me as if that article needs more and better [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to establish notability beyond reasonable doubt; I searched Google news and gbooks under both his names, and didn't find any. At the moment, I'm not sure that the page would survive if someone were to nominate it for deletion. Please take great care not to copy content from other websites into Wikipedia. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:: [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thanks for your advice I will work on that. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==
I'd like to bring the [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] article back to life. Can you help me out on next steps? Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:I just noticed another note above. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! You are welcome to start on a rewrite of that article. Please follow [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minnie_J._Grinstead/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this link] to be taken to the right place for that. You may copy the structural elements of the article (the infobox, references, categories and so on) directly to the new page, but please take great care not to copy any copyright-violating body text, as that will make the rewrite useless. If you prefer, I can stub the article, which you can then expand as you see fit. Your choice! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Could you please stub the article? Also, do you know which source triggered the copyright violation bot? Thanks again. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah yes...[http://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/minnie-j-grinstead/11734 this one]. There's barely any biographical info on her. I'll give it another go. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Done, {{u|Magnolia677}}. Good luck with it! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion Flag for [[Young Rail Professionals (YRP)]] page ==

Hi there,
You have left a speedy deletion note on the wikipedia page. May I ask for a reason for this? I have received notifications from other administrators for deletions in the past. I have since updated the article and improved it to reflect a third party view. Would be much appreciated if you could provide feedback regarding the same. Thanks a ton! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.18.83.125|92.18.83.125]] ([[User talk:92.18.83.125|talk]]) 19:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|92.18.83.125}}, you appear to be mistaken – you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Rail_Professionals_(YRP)&action=history have not edited] [[Young Rail Professionals]], and your talk page has never been edited. As you can see from the large speedy deletion template at the top of the page, it is nominated for deletion for two reasons: G11, unambiguous promotion; and G12, unequivocal copyright violation (from [http://www.youngrailpro.com/about-yrp/ here]). The copyright violation is foundational (added with the first version of the article), so there is no clean version that it could be reverted to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Nigora goat article ==

Hello, I was wondering how the Nigora article may be edited to improve it? I created the original article for public consumption/education on the Nigora breed ten years ago, and I have done my best to keep it updated ever since. The stub that exists in place of the article now contains inaccurate information regarding the foundation breeds, which needs to be changed. It also does not contain any in-depth breed information. I understand there was some concern that copyright may have been violated by content in the article; can you explain to me where you feel this may have be done? I own the intellectual property rights to the information used. I am also the founding member of the American Nigora Breeders Assoc. and own the content found in the ANGBA website and elsewhere. I provide the information, and my time, on a purely voluntary basis; I receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for my work. As to conflict of interest, I suppose this would best pertain to the Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC (now defunct): There was a paragraph in the Wikipedia Nigora article which stated, "The American Nigora Goat Breeders Association (ANGBA) is not affiliated in any way with the "Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC" (NGBS) created October 31, 2013, nor does ANGBA endorse or approve the breed standards of the NGBS." The reason for this is it was discovered that NGBS was plagiarizing the ANGBA website and group content, verbatim, and a cease and desist letter was sent to the founder of the NGBS. Since the NGBS was disbanded in 2015 it would make even having mention of the caveat moot, except for the fact their closing has left NGBS members without paperwork on their goats, and these members are now contacting the ANGBA to find out why they have not received paperwork from NGBS. Please let me know how to best improve the Wikipedia Nigora article. Thank you. [[User:Irthumper|Irthumper]] ([[User talk:Irthumper|talk]]) 10:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Irthumper}}, and thank you for disclosing your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the [[Nigora]] goat. Please follow that blue link to read our guidelines for conflict-of-interest editors. In general, you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Nigora]], following the procedure outlined there. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to you or your association), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Copyright violations were added to the page with {{diff|Nigora|537210010|529498068|this edit}}, as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=537210010&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnigoragoats.homestead.com%2FNIGORA-GOAT-BASICS-101.html this useful tool] shows. Please use the talk page of the article for any further discussion. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:29, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Bobby Lockwood]] ==

I've noticed that all of the IPs adding [[WP:BLP]], quite possibly [[WP:COI]]-violating information to [[Bobby Lockwood]] geolocate to the UK (which is a tad obvious, I know), but the majority in the 86.* range, with some going into the 94.* range. Furthermore, this is quite clearly the same person as "Jasmine-Rioxox", as one of these IPs attempted to restore her version of the article - I had asked her in December to tweak the wording, which she did, and that exact wording was used in a restored version. What do you think? Is this worthy of being reported to an administrator? Perhaps page protection on Bobby Lockwood, under "persistent BLP violations"? I am interested in hearing your opinion on this matter. (On a personal note, I want to thank you for keeping an eye on the article. Much appreciated.) --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Chesnaught555|Ches}}! I don't know, but my feeling is that this is pretty low-level background noise, and that probably admins have more important things to deal with. If it shows signs of getting out of hand then perhaps semi-protection would be appropriate, we could ask. Meanwhile, thanks to you too for watching it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::No problem. Semi-protection may be the best way forward - I'll request that if any more of those IP addresses edit the article again. Some of the IPs seem to be single-purpose (by which I mean they ''only'' edit Bobby Lockwood). I will keep a look out. Thanks, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright in UCC ==

JL&N, I thought I would take this here from the talk page for ''Course of Dealing'' to lower the level of excitement. I don't know how to tell you this in a more polite way, but you guys are just '''''wrong''''' about copyright law. What BD said is right, and you are getting bad advice from somebody.

Cornell cannot possibly have a copyright interest in the UCC. I have been teaching copyright and patent law for 25 years at GW Law School in DC, and I don't know (and am pretty sure I have never known) any copyright scholar who would agree that Cornell has a copyright in the UCC. The UCC is a statute, a uniform law adopted in many states. You cannot have a copyright in that.

Cornell is simply lying if they say they have a copyright in the UCC. They are not its author and it was dedicated into the public domain about 40 or 50 years ago.

You need to get better legal advice if it is as you described it. Your current legal advice source is terrible if it is telling you that it is copyright infringement to copy statutory texts.

There must be Wikipedians who are US or UK copyright lawyers who will help you out if you need it on basic copyright law principles. I would. I am sure BD would, Ed Colins too. Probably Notecardforfree would. Greg Jack (Pickett) might. There are more. Thank you for your no doubt well intended contributions to WP.
:[[User:PraeceptorIP|PraeceptorIP]] ([[User talk:PraeceptorIP|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

{{tps}}{{u|PraeceptorIP}}, while the data itself might not be copyrightable, the work still can be, the web design, the typesetting (of hardcopy) and so on. Also, even if a work is in public domain, a copypaste is still plagiarism. (yeah, I'm one of those above too...) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

== Agree of course ==

I was just re-stating the warning box that D left. I had written out a long further explanation basically saying what you said, but after 3 e/c's it would be redundant and pointless to add now. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 00:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks – on the rare occasions I don't agree exactly with what you've said I tend to go ahead and say so, in full confidence that you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Good to see you back, by the way – there were "no crows here" not too long ago. Do you know the Stevie Smith poem [[Not Waving but Drowning]]? Sometimes I feel it describes our situation at the copyright boards … "much further out than you thought … and not waving but drowning". I think we need more people, but who? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:*Yes, I got flung to the far corners of wherever for job-related stuff, and took only my iPad. Great for browsing but horrible for CP/SCV type stuff, and far too easy to mis-click (one of the reasons I don't have Rollback)! Also, good analogy with the poem! It does feel like pushing a car with a rope sometimes, especially with MRG's vastly reduced time in those boards due to her new role. I've been keeping an eye open for new commenters on those boards to see if we can <s>shanghai</s> encourage them to help out, with no luck so far. Still, we few, we happy few, press on though! [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 18:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you very much for your helpful language support on the [[El Shahbaa]] AfD, which was closed as "keep." Your help was crucial. If interested, I spotted this today, is more up your alley than mine: [[Limousin_horse]]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 04:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

== Danny Lane ==

Hi there, thanks for your recent flagging of the problems with my edits to the [[Danny Lane]] page. I've now spent some time rewriting this page and fixing any issues that may have been unenyclopedic in tone or breached copyright. I have also made sure to keep your edits in the source code. I hope this all looks ok now, please let me know if there are any further issues. Thanks! [[User:Ljs90|Ljs90]] ([[User talk:Ljs90|talk]]) 13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you for your help/advice ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I saw that you remove the link to redirect from "Centre de musique romantique française" to "Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique". Actually he was right: Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique is the entire name of the institution. The palace and the centre are just parts of the same name. Could you please replace the link? Or is there a way to change the title of the page "Centre de musique romantique française" in order to add the other part of its name?
Many thanks in advance :)
--[[User:JoséphineKirch|JoséphineKirch]] ([[User talk:JoséphineKirch|talk]]) 13:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== You have deleted a reliable sources in my article ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I have recently added three references to the article Cropio. These references are from reliable sources. Explain me, please, the reason for deletion. Thanks! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Morena makarena|Morena makarena]] ([[User talk:Morena makarena|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morena makarena|contribs]]) 14:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 
:A few things for your consideration, {{u|Morena makarena}}:
:# The content you added was largely copied from [http://cropio.com/en/about/ here], as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=715058346&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcropio.com%2Fen%2Fabout%2F this useful tool] shows. That is a copyright violation, and not permitted here; persistent violations of copyright can lead to [[WP:Blocking policy|suspension of editing privileges]]
:# It isn't your article, it's Wikipedia's article
:# Please read the notice I left on your talk page with {{diff|User talk:Morena makarena|712479368|712469763|this edit}}; in brief: [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] editors are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Cropio]]. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to the company), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Often that "strong discouragement" takes the form of wholesale reversion of COI edits (I would have reverted your edits even without the copyright violation).
:# You can mention reliable sources that you have identified either on the talk page of the article, or at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cropio]], where they may influence the opinion of other editors – or indeed in both places.
:[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== Dealing with copyvio pages ==

Hi. I saw you dealing with copyright violations at [[Katie van Scherpenberg]] and wondered if you could help explain something to me. You've used the template requesting redaction of the revisions of the article that contain copyright material. The instructions at [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Dealing with copyright violations]] don't say to do that. It seems good practice though. Should I be adding that template when I identify copyright violations as well as putting a note on the article talk page, or is there some other process by which redactions are undertaken? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 21:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Cordless Larry}}! I think opinions vary on how important it is to revdelete after removing copyvio. My own thinking is roughly that if it's still in the history it's still visible to the world at large, albeit not so obviously as when it was in the article, whereas if it's been revdeleted only admins can see it. So yes, I think it's good practice, and I almost always request it as a matter of course (thus adding to the workload of, and trying the patience of, the few admins who handle such requests – who to date have been kind enough never to complain). It also seems to be a safeguard against mistaken, misguided or (occasionally) malicious editors restoring copyvio to the page. I think it should probably be mentioned in the instructions. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. I'm sure that I've requested revision deletion in the past, but when I've dealt with a couple of cases recently I consulted the instructions and didn't find mention of it, and was a bit confused about its place. I think your approach is probably a good one, and I agree that it would be helpful if the instructions had something to say how/whether to do this. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 22:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

==John Cabot University==
You're right-- I had misread it as saying that it "is accredited by ..." -- which was the wording of the original source they originally used for the copyvio. I definitely agree that the fact they previouslymade use of the former corrupt system is relevant. Thanks for fixing it up '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 03:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Your copyvio claims ==

{{Moved discussion from|my talk page|2=[[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)}}
First, many thanks for the "Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome to Wikipedia]]!" - as I've only worked on this project for almost 10 years.

Beyond that, I think it's clear that your tagging of my work has gone entirely overboard. Regarding the [[Suzi Bass Award]] article, everything was properly sourced and attributed. I noticed there are 14 links to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in that article. And because you think you have found matching phrases like "is to celebrate and promote atlanta professional theatre through the evaluation and recognition of excellence" which ''is'' verbatim the awards' stated mission; or phrases like "the suzi bass awards founded in 2003," which ''is'' when the organization was founded; or generic phrases like: "twenty one professional theatres," "the color purple," "professional theatre community," "the suzi bass awards inc," "participating theatres," and "suzi bass awards is a not for profit corporation," etc. does not constitute copyright violations. They are reliably sourced statements of fact. They are not editorial content.

Likewise, I have not edited on the [[Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] ''since 2012.'' Specifically, not since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Mitchell_%28photographer%29&diff=482051496&oldid=481147294 this edit] on March 10, 2012. So the fact that you would tag that entire page, ''four years later;'' after dozens of other editors have contributed - and with over 16 [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in the article, all because of ''one source'' you believe may be suspect? And because of generic matches like: "alvin ailey american dance theater and," "on photographing dance and dancers," "mitchell moved from florida to new york city," "his own photographs," "from 1960 to 1970," etc., - indicates to me the use of the duplicate detector tool with very little understanding of the discretion required to use it effectively. Once again, these are statements of fact. In some cases, they are proper names! They are not editorial content.

Additionally, rather than tagging these articles, you should have followed policy required by [[WP:DCV]] and addressed your concerns on the talk pages ''first''. I now see you have done the same thing by wholesale reverting my edits on [[Mike Nussbaum]] as well. Kindly revert your tags and state your concerns on the respective articles' talk pages, which policy requires. There they can be properly addressed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 10:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|X4n6}}, have you actually read [[WP:DCV]]? Talk page discussion is the '''minimum''' action that should be taken if copyright violation is '''suspected'''. In your case, the foundational copyright violations at [[:Suzi Bass Award]] and [[:Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] are a near-certainty, and the part of that policy that applies is:{{quotation|If the criteria for speedy deletion do not apply, you should blank the article or the appropriate section with the {{tlxs|copyvio|url{{=}}insert URL here}} template, and list the page at [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]]; see [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions|instructions]]. This will give interested contributors a week to verify permission for the text or propose a rewrite. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringement and no usable rewrite is proposed, it may be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]] by any [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]] or reduced to a non-infringing stub.}}
:So that's what I've done there. At [[:Mike Nussbaum]], the copyvio was added after the creation of the article, and the relevant bit of the policy is:{{quote|If ''all'' of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement or removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable, check the [[Help:Page history|page history]]; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should [[Help:Reverting|revert]] the page to that version.}}
:Which I did. Clear? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::* Thanks, but I do not want this conversation on my talk page. So let's keep it here. Regarding your question, have I read [[WP:DCV]]: I'll simply answer that the very first line of it is hard to miss, yet it appears that you did: <blockquote>"Handling of suspected violations of copyright policy depends on the particulars of a given case. If you suspect a copyright violation but are uncertain if the content is copyrighted or whether the external site is copying from Wikipedia, you should ''at least'' bring up the issue on that page's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|discussion page]]."</blockquote>

:::Pretty clear too. Correct? So I'm still waiting for you to remove the tags and discuss the ''specific'' concerns you have with each article on their respective talk pages. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

:::* I also noticed that you essentially [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=715883305&oldid=696813140 blanked] the [[Henry King Stanford]] article, before I assume, you had a moment of Zen and realized you had gone too far - so you restored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=next&oldid=715883625 some content] here. I also noticed that you accused me of copy & pasting from a [http://www6.miami.edu/advancement/NamedBuildingsGables.doc dead link]. But the worst thing you find there was really just [http://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/compare.php?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DHenry_King_Stanford%26oldid%3D155799497&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060902045612%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Flibrary.gcsu.edu%2F~sc%2Fcollections%2Fpres%2Fstanford%2Fstanford.html&minwords=2&minchars=13 1 out of 9] matches that could be viewed as too much. For that you could have easily just tagged that section, removed that content, or even (gosh!) just rewritten the paragraph. But instead, you blanked, then tagged, the entire article. But why you didn't choose any of the less draconian measures, you never explained. Again, it makes one question your judgment when it comes to the use of the detection tool. As for [[Terrelle Pryor]], I counted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrelle_Pryor&diff=prev&oldid=431880593 4 separate], reliably sourced and attributed, new sources in that edit: the [[Chicago Sun-Times]], [[Forbes]], [[Fox Sports]] and the [[Associated Press]]. But you're apparently accusing me of the copy & pasting [[hat-trick]] of lifting from 3 of those sources in the same 1 sentence. I also note that those edits are over five years old. So I really do find it extremely interesting that in none of the almost 1000 edits that have occurred at that article since - that no one, but you, has ever alleged a reason for concern. Extremely interesting indeed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 21:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wow, just wow. I stumbled across this after visiting [[User:X4n6|X4n6]]'s talk page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] is to be commended for his/her cool head dealing with this crap. The gall of talking to a copyright editor like this after several blatant copyright violations is unbelievable.
:::::Here, have a tiny barnstar! [[File:Resilient_Barnstar.png|30px|The Resilient Barnstar. I award the Resilient Barnstar to Justlettersandnumbers for always keeping a cool head. '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)]] '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

==Transporter Guy==
I quickly checked [[Glutamate-gated ion channel family|this page]] and found that a fragment of text starting from ''The GIC channels are divided into three types: (1) a-amino-3-hydroxy-5-n ethyl-4- isoxazole propionate (AMPA)-'' was indeed copied, however it was copied not from the patent, but from the corresponding [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.10 TCDB entry] (this user uses TCDB abstracts). Both the patent and the TCDB entry contain the same text. Given that TCDB exists for a very long time, well known, and is under free reuse license, I would think that authors of the patent copy-pasted this text from TCDB, without providing appropriate attribution. The same could be with some other alleged copyright violations by this user. Yes, I am pretty much sure that the copy from TCDB was taken by authors of the patent. Let's compare [http://www.google.com/patents/WO2002026805A2?cl=en the patent] with another TCDB entry [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6]. Both include same text (''each with N- and C-termini on the inside of the cell, two amphipathic transmembrane spanning segments...'') in another paragraph. Note that both paragraphs in patent that reuse text from TCDB do not contain any references, whereas other paragraphs contain references. If this is a copyright violation, it was made by authors of the patent. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 15:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, I think this all came from a review article published by Dr. Saier around 2000. But my time is up. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 17:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
:However, it was another way around in this case [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.1]. Here, authors of the TCDB database did a close paraphrasing (rather than a copy-paste) from an abstract from PubMed. ("Using all-atom molecular dynamics simulations, Jensen et al. (2012) showed how a voltage-gated potassium channel (KV)..."). The user copied this text from TCDB probably without knowing that the text was a close paraphrase of PubMed abstract. This should be fixed, but I do not think a few things like that warrant a full-scale copyright investigation.[[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Two other cases (holin pages) appear to be rather remote paraphrasing. If they are copyright violations is disputable. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}Hi, {{u|My very best wishes}}! A few things:
# The copyvio blanking template carries, in large clear letters, a message which reads "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent". Unless you fall into one of those three groups, please don't remove those templates from articles.
# You wrote on Grahm's talk page "I am not an expert in copyright issues ... One suggestion would be to creators of the database to change their license and make it standard GFDL." Please read [[WP:GFDL]]; as you will see, that licence has not been compatible here since 2009, retroactive to 1 November 2008.
# Please try a Google search for the string "The different channel (receptor) types exhibit distinct ion selectivities and conductance properties. The NMDA-selective large conductance channels are highly permeable to monovalent cations and Ca". You will, I believe, get hits (''inter alia'') for three pages: our article; the tcbd.org website; and a patent application dated 26 September 2001. Do you see any evidence that the tcdb page was created before that date? The earliest version on archive.org appears to be [https://web.archive.org/web/20100717020758/http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6 this], from 17 July 2010. It seems that tcdb copied from an earlier source, as it appears to have done quite often. That means that, whatever licence it has or claims to have, the affected content cannot be hosted on Wikipedia.
# Either [[WT:CP]] or the talk page of the article would be a better place than this to continue this discussion.
Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

== I hope this helped ==

I truly apologize for the mess up at DYK with [[Céline Gittens]]. As a further mea culpa, I went out and found a few more sources and added some material on her background and personal life. I hope it was helpful, and I will not be in the least upset if you need to revert anything I messed up. I got it up to about 2000 kb by the drpda tool, so that should make any reviewer happy. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if the DYK reviewer is waiting for you to "bless" my extra edits, but maybe pop by there and drop a quick note as to your position. Thanks. (And wow, she is really a very interesting young woman, a good topic for an article) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
::Those were very helpful edits, {{u|Montanabw}}, and nice extra sources. Thank you! I'd said I'd do no more to the article (it was a rescue after a copyright clean-up, not something I'd chosen to write about), but I added a tiny bit more after your improvements. And the mess-up, such as it was, was entirely my fault for not being clear that I intended to withdraw the nomination only if the initial length assessment was found to be correct. Thanks again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you. ==

Just a quick note here to say once again, thank you! While I may not yet be fully proficient to untangle the writhing snake maze of dealing with potential copyright violations, there is progress in the learning thanks to you. I appreciate you taking up the issue and for showing me how you did it too. Gratitude abounds, [[User:AD64|AD64]] ([[User talk:AD64|talk]]) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thanks for your help on fixing [[List of Jim Rockford's answering machine gags]] for the copyright issues. Since I am more or less retired as a Wikipedia editor, your help is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Maintenance ==

Don't you think it's time ''you'' applied for some more tools? Email me if you don't think it is and I'll try to convince you otherwise ;) [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== [[London School of Business and Finance]] and all its pomps and works ==

Hi JLaN. Just a heads-up that I have begun clean up of this article following the London College of Contemporary Arts discussion. The details are at '''[[Talk:London_School_of_Business_and_Finance#Clean_up|Talk:London School of Business and Finance]]'''. As I imagine my revisions will not escape the notice of the owner's brand managers, you might want to put it on watch. In the end, I also created a separate article on the owner, [[Global University Systems]], which you might also want to put on watch. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi There, rewrited the UiPath page you marked as copyright infringement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UiPath Could you please tell me if it's OK.
Best!
[[User:RoboticRPA|RoboticRPA]] ([[User talk:RoboticRPA|talk]]) 14:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
|}

==DYK for Céline Gittens==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#15 May 2016|15 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Céline Gittens]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that in 2012 the Trinidadian '''[[Céline Gittens]]''' became the first [[Black people|black]] ballerina to dance the twin rôles of Odette and Odile in [[Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|Tchaikovsky's]] ''[[Swan Lake]]'' in the United Kingdom?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Céline Gittens]]. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-05&end=2016-05-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=C%C3%A9line_Gittens Céline Gittens]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

== Rejected draft: Churchill Retirement Living ==

Hi {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} - thank you for looking at the draft of the article on this company. I had submitted this article previously and revised the wording to address the issue of it coming across as promotional. I thought I had done enough to rectify this issue, but it looks like not enough was done. I would try fixing this if it weren't for the other issue of source material. I think I've already uncovered as many sources as are available at present and if these are insufficient, it's going to be difficult to successfully overcome the problem. The organisation is quite well known in their sector so it may be that more usable sources can be included. In any case, thanks for taking the time on this occasion. [[User:Fbell74|Fbell74]] ([[User talk:Fbell74|talk]]) 02:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== Supposed copyright violation at [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] ==

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that the History section of [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] contained a direct translation. I was very careful to cite the source and to use my own words. I don't believe anyone involved in the copyright violation 'investigation' actually speaks Portuguese. I can assure you that it was a good faith edit and that it was not a direct translation. Thanks. [[User:Giso6150|giso6150]] ([[User talk:Giso6150|talk]]) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Giso6150}}, that's always a tricky one when translating from a foreign-language source; it was my impression that your translation, though elegant, was directly from the source. I'll answer more fully there, though. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

== Other possible copyvios by the Harrison Smith IP ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.43.239.53 The IP] that was responsible for the copyvio recently rolled back on [[Harrison Smith (American football)]] made a few more edits around that time to other American football players. Seems some of them came from the players' university bios, just like Smith's, and were closely paraphrased. [[Duron Carter]] looks the most suspect. Also, a trustable user informed me that the IP apparently edits as [[User:Gcveintee]] now. [[User:Lizard the Wizard|Lizard]] ([[User talk:Lizard the Wizard|talk]]) 00:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for this reminder, {{u|Lizard the Wizard}} – I'd already started looking at other contribs of the IP. I've been able to be here only sporadically recently, and will now be away for a week or more; this will remind me to look further when I return. Meanwhile, do please blank and list any other copyvios you are able to identify, that'd be a big help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

==Intriguing Possessive Theory==
Noted your fascinating suggestion and wonder whether it deserves more than a moment's thought. I'm reticent; I might have to go to Land's End to find anyone else who supports it and time's precious. [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz}} 09:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:See for example W. Stannard Allen, ''Living English Structure'', page 17. But yes, there are a few customary exceptions – World's End, stone's throw etc. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry to say that this is just simply not a happening thing. At the same time, I confess I'm no expert on books designed for foreigners facing the challenge of English as a second language, though, which is to say I defer to sources like the Oxford Guide to Style, Chambers, etc., and recommend them in this instance. Your piece of information is simply fanciful. [[talk:sirlanz}sirlanz]] 09:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Alec Smithson sock ==

Thank you for your message, I've gblocked that account. Sorry for the delay.
:--[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you for that, {{u|M7}}! So, is there anywhere or any way to request or co-ordinate a global nuke of his edits? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Probably the best way is to ask to some active global sysop on Meta.wiki. Thank you, --[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

== Information missing! Jonas Burgert ==

Hi, I work a gallery that represents the artist Jonas Burgert and his page is missing a lot of information which keeps getting taken down when I try to include.

All of his exhibitions are missing and I wanted those to be added. Can anyone help with this?

[[User:Isa.aballi|Isa.aballi]] ([[User talk:Isa.aballi|talk]]) 09:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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== NHEG wikipedia ==

I noticed that my changes to NHEG page have been undone by you. I would like to resolve this by understanding why this was done. Please let me know. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 12:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
:I have reverted NHEG page to the changes I had made. Please don't revert back without explaining to me through talk as to what the issues are. We can resolve this without going back and forth on the wikipedia page. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 19:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
::{{u|Atchopra}}, I see that your account is very new. If you look at the [[edit summary]] I left with {{diff||726525859|726513903|this edit}}, you will see that it reads "Copyright violation of http://www.newheightseducation.org"; I also posted a long message on the talk page, at [[Talk:New Heights Education Group#Copyright problem removed]], which should give you some useful reading. Please do not add copyright material to Wikipedia again. Thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

== NHEG wikipedia ==

Thanks for explanation on copyrights. I also have another question. Why were external links removed? [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 01:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to [[Teahouse]]. I appreciate your help. I have made couple of changes on NHEG wikipedia. Please check and let me know if they are okay. I am learning and I don't want to make more mistakes. Thanks [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 15:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== CSD tag ==

[[Common communication format]] seems to match [http://www.netugc.com/common-communication-format-ccf this page] which has a CC license. But the material also matches [http://lispp.blogspot.com/2012/06/common-communication-format-ccf.html this page] and others, which claim copyright. How do we sort this out? (The lazy way is to say that it does not qualify as an article on other grounds)--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 12:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Sphilbrick}}! For once in my life I'm reasonably sure of my ground: the www.netugc.com page does indeed carry a CC licence, but it is a [[Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License]], and so is not [[WP:Compatible license|compatible]] for our (text-based) purposes. As things stand, that content can't be copied here. I believe that the G12 nomination was correctly based in this case and that both pages should be deleted ([[User:Nasirudheen]] too). OK, I've said my bit – now tell me what I've missed! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks - I sort of knew that but forgot. One of the things I have learned about myself is that it is easier to remember things if they make sense. I now recall seeing the table that specifies that 4.0 international isn't acceptable, but I never understood why. That's quite unfortunate, as I bet some select a CC license with the thought that it would make it useful for Wikipedia, and presume the most recent license should work. I see the footnote explaining that it isn't backwards compatible, but I don't know what that means (I know the generic meaning, not sure why it applies here). Do you know if there is a clear explanation anywhere?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

::Okay, maybe I can figure this out for myself. While in some cases, the rewording appears to be largely a rewrite of 3.0 with possibly some clarification, such as specific mention that any purpose includes commercial, other aspects are more restrictive. Specifically the 3.0 attribution does not require a link to the license but the 4.0 does. So I think this means that if I take some 4.0 text and use it in another website I have to attribute it and include a link to the license, presumably the 4.0 license. However, if I copy that material into Wikipedia which uses a 3.0 license, that page won't have a link to the 4.0 license and thus is in violation of the terms.

::Even this point is a little shaky. It doesn't explicitly say one has to provide a link to a 4.0 license, although it does say you must include "a notice that refers to this public license".

::Do you know if this is the aspect that gave the lawyers pause, or if it was something else?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I also see that I should've checked the talk page first as Dianna made this point. I have developed a habit of checking the talk page of G 12's, as they often contain some relevant information (most of the time just the usual statement "it's okay for me to use this because I wrote it"); sometimes something very relevant to the license issue. I failed to follow that habit this time which I should have.--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, I haven't tried to investigate whether a 4.0 licence '''could''' be used here, or if not, why not; nor offhand do I know of any discussion or explanation of that. What I gleaned from [[User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 57#U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit|this conversation]] was that a change of licence would be a site-wide change, and that until and unless that happens, 4.0 can't be used for text. The bit I find hardest to keep at the front of my mind, specially when looking at tickets, is that it's OK (or even preferred?) on Commons, but not compatible here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|Sphilbrick}} Hi guys, I'm actually the one (for better/worse) that got the WP:COMPLIC template updated. Apparently the verbiage of 4.0 says something like "content must be re-used under this same version or later", so using 4.0 text would not allow us to re-publish under 3.0, according to legal. The thread I brought this up on was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive_56#CC-BY_4.0]. The whole enwiki would have to change to 4.0 in order to source 4.0 text and re-publish, and from what I gather there's already a group on enwiki who oppose any re-licensing of their contribs, so no telling how that rfc would go. Commons is already at 4.0 so image use under that license is apparently ok, since we don't host those images but just basically link to them. Images hosted locally on enwiki would be 3.0 so again no problem. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 16:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, {{u|Crow}}, that's the conversation I was really looking for, not the slightly later one I linked higher up. This is going to keep coming up; perhaps we should make a shortcut or something for it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hello! I wanted to ask (sincerely, and not in a pain-in-the-ass way) where the policy is about deleting PAID COI articles via AfD? I do see that the Orangemoody investigation resulted in a bunch of deletions, as you describe. However to me that seems like a higher-level admin intervention-slash-cleanup job. I'm really curious to see where it is written that COI/Paid editing can lead to deletion at AfD. I've seen people say ''not'' to consider COI lots of times at AfD, but never the deltion policy you mention. Thanks in advance for your time! [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 21:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|HappyValleyEditor}}, I'm sorry to have been slow to reply to this. I don't think there's a policy, but I do think there's a precedent, set as far as I know in the Orangemoody clean-up; but from what I understand there were other forces at play there too, including socking and copyvio. The only discussion of this that I'm aware of is [[Wikipedia:Buy one, get one free|this one]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you for taking the time to reply! Happy editing. [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 22:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Hi, dear Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your help. Am going further with my translation and will notice you, when ready. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 20:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i guess, my page is ready to be moved. Would you be so kind to have a look on it? If something is wrong, i would be glad to hear it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gyanda/Heiner_Thiel - Thank you in advance!!! --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Precious anniversary ==

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--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you, Gerda! I felt honoured then, and do again now. Three years, eh? – seems like yesterday. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I can't count: three years now ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 05:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Deleting mistake categories ==

Hi. If you ever make a category by mistake, as you did with {{cl|Montain_ranges_of_the_Apennine_Mountains}} - don't just blank it. If you tag it with '''<nowiki>{{db-self}}</nowiki>''' it will get deleted faster than if a third party uses the <nowiki>{{db-empty}}</nowiki> method and it's better to get things deleted than to have blank categories lying around. Cheers. [[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 13:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Le Deluge}}. Deletion of category redirects is not a topic we have much guidance on … so advice noted. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

== CopyPatrol ==

Hello! I know you are active in dealing with copyright violations, so I thought you might be interested in the new [[toollabs:copypatrol|CopyPatrol]] tool from [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]]. It combs recent changes and lists possible copyright violations. The interface should be straightforward; hit "No action needed" if it is a false positive, properly attributed quotes, etc, and "Page fixed" if it needed correction and you've done so (this would include tagging for speedy deletion). We plan to add more neat features like rollback, CSD tagging, and issuing of templates to the user's talk page. Hope you find this useful, and thanks for your ongoing efforts in this important area of work! :) — [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] [[User talk:MusikAnimal|talk]] 01:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

== RfA ==

Are you considering to accept an [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Justlettersandnumbers|RfA]] for yourself? Given your revdel requests as mentioned at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#RevDel advice]] and the work on copyvios, you could possibly become an administrator like [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] and [[User:MER-C|MER-C]], who also work on copyvios. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 15:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
:+1 to that. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
::+1 from me too! Go for it. --[[User:Patient Zero|'''Zero''']][[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']] 15:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

==Frida Kahlo==

Hello,

Sorry, didn't want to step on anyone's toes with my edits, but I thought that the sfn-format was standard these days so didn't realise that a discussion had to be had, as this has not been a problem in the articles I've worked on previously! I'm going to overhaul the entire article in the coming month, and would therefore be changing all references to sfn-format. I've now started a discussion on the article's talk page, please add your thoughts :) [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 20:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
:Sorry, I meant to drop you a note of apology. I'm away from home, only sporadic internet access, and I forgot. That was rude, if unintentional. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
::No worries :) I probably should've started discussing my GA intentions earlier, but the article seemed so stable (aside from the recurring vandalism) that I didn't think I'd get any replies. [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 22:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

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== Copyright violation help appreciated ==

Hello there, I noticed that large parts of [[FIFPro]] were directly copied and/or paraphrased from the official [https://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-history-first-meeting Fifpro] homepage which -I believe- is a violation of copyright? I would report it myself but all the guidelines and rules are a little too much for me. Perhaps you can help out? cheers --[[User:Havlicek stole the ball|Havlicek stole the ball]] ([[User talk:Havlicek stole the ball|talk]]) 10:27, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
: {{tpw}} {{Reply to|Havlicek stole the ball}} It is a copyright violation. I have removed the infringing text. Thank you for reporting. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 17:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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== [[Rosmah Mansor]] ==

Hi Jlan. Can you do me a favour? There's what looks like a viable draft of the above article at the subpage [[:Talk:Rosmah Mansor/Temp]] that could be moved into main space. Not sure what's supposed to happen next to get this draft into mainspace. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 14:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Diannaa}}! I'm away at the moment, with only very limited and occasional internet. But from what little I see, that temp page may not be as viable as it at first appears; I'm bothered by the degree of overlap [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Talk%3ARosmah+Mansor%2FTemp&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1 here], but perhaps you've already looked at and discounted that? As for the actual mechanism of moving one of those pages into place, I've no real idea how it should be done (except that it needs tools I don't have); specifically, I don't know whether a histmerge with the old version is needed, or if the replacement page starts a new "clean slate" history. But I'm pretty sure {{u|MER-C}}, who often does that task, will know and be able to advise (please?). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
::Good catch, it looks like that website had the content first, according to the Wayback Machine. I will take it out. Hopefully MER-C can take it from there. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 21:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:::The rewrite is still not clean, it contained a copyvio from http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-571969. At this point, I don't think it can be trusted. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 06:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
::::That was my impression, too, {{u|MER-C}}, based on the quick glance I took at it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

== Maremma Sheepdog / Pastore Abruzzese ==

I don't know why you deleted the many integrations that I provided to the article about the [[Maremma Sheepdog]]. I didn't provide the sources because it was just a work of translation from the Italian article. Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and dedication it took to edit the English article, which is a mess and it is very lacking?

First of all I would change the name of the article, for nobody in Italy calls that dog 'Maremma', but - even if the ENCI calls it 'Cane da Pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese' - everybody knows it by the name of 'Pastore Abruzzese' ('Abruzzese Shepherd Dog'). It's just the American shallowness that changed its international name on unknown basis. (You may want to provide sources for that)

Also, being that breed almost unknown to the rest of the world, I wanted to improve the article. And, in order to do it, it is impossible to get the countless sources that you would normally have for Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds, so the article necessarily needs to rely on the information provided by the Italian breeders and shepherds, respectively on their web pages and on Italian TV documentaries. That is why your necessity to make the article more enciclopedic falls apart.

You could have been right in deleting a few sentences of mine, but not the whole sections about the name, the origin, the Behaviour and the Training of the dog, which are easily verifiable and documented. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kid Hey GBE|Kid Hey GBE]] ([[User talk:Kid Hey GBE|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kid Hey GBE|contribs]]) 15:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC) 

:{{tps}}Kid Hey, you added a ton of unsourced, unreferenced material. Other wikis cannot be a source for each other —we need independent sources. If you know this information has sources, you most certainly can go to the sources cited in the it.wiki article to do so. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stewie Speer copyright issues ==

Hi - thanks for your message about this article, sorry for the delay in responding. I have followed your instructions and would very much like this article to be restored as soon as is practicable, so that I can edit and improve it. As per my multiple messages on the Stewie Speer talk page and my email to the Permissions today, I hereby confirm that I, Duncan Kimball (Dunks58) am the author of the original Milesago article from which it was adapted, and that I am the creator and principal author of the website Milesago.com. Thanks for your feedback, hope this will resolve the issue. If there is anything else I need to do to facilitate this, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 04:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

== Ban'ei article ==

If you would be kind enough to tag sections with 'citation needed' needing improvement in that article so I could concentrate improving them. (Foreigner has bad english, sorry.)
[[Special:Contributions/88.114.91.37|88.114.91.37]] ([[User talk:88.114.91.37|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Luca Bestetti]] ==

Apologies. I had no idea. But now I see a whole litany on this editor in your Talk Page history above. The article subject still seems notable. Seems a shame. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:Nothing for you to apologise for, {{u|Martinevans123}} – if anything, I should be apologising to you. This is a pestilential long-term abuser of the good faith of other editors, and as we know the only possible way to deal with that is immediate, unconditional reversion, so I hope some kind admin will act on that soon. There's of course nothing to stop a bona-fide editor from recreating a page on the same subject. Pinging {{u|Lucas}}, {{u|Yopie}} and {{u|M7}} in case any of them want to look at sock edits on other projects (or add the new ones to the global ban, perhaps?). {{u|MikeV}}, you blocked [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alec Smithson/Archive|one of the earlier ones]]; do you see any value in a check-user request here? EthanSanders and Sergey7 are unmistakable socks, but there could also perhaps be others? Thanks to all, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ping {{u|Mike V}} following fail above. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::... ah yes, Mike V's hot on [[SOX gene family|socks]] - I should know. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC) 
:::EthanSanders and Sergey7 are {{confirmed}} to each other. The previous socks are technically stale. As for a behavioral connection, I see a link to the master account so I've blocked them as socks of Alec Smithson. [[User:Mike V|Mike V]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|Talk]] 23:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. Yes, that [[Broken Idol|broken Italian]] did look a bit [[Costa Concordia disaster|too broken]]. Do you think [[Luca Bestetti]] is notable and worth saving? Of course, I can't re-create it until it has been deleted (?) Or maybe eagerly taking over a topic from a sockpuppet would taint my pristine reputation? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, {{u|Mike V}}! Do have any thoughts about the creator of [[Luciano de Liberato|this]]? – there's some overlap of area of interest. {{u|Martinevans123}}, I just haven't looked at the importance or otherwise of Bestetti – my interest here is in limiting the damage of a long-term abuser, and to that end it might be preferable if the page were not immediately re-created (assuming it ever gets deleted, that is), in order to [[WP:DENY]] him the satisfaction. But you'll do as you think fit; you might like to note that '''nothing''' that person writes can be trusted. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, I must admit, I had assumed that Bestetti had at least been born. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Page Deletion - contested but ignored]] ==

Hi. My page was marked for deletion for various reasons to which I contested. Apparently, that was a waste of my time. Not sure why you're able to contest if it doesn't warrant further discussion. Nonetheless, is the page completely deleted, or can it be retrieved? I was in the middle of revising it to better meet the guidelines. I declared my conflict with the article, and did not agree with the notion that it was for promotional purposes, based on the fact that the subject is notable person. If you had read the revised version, before deleting it, you would have noticed that ALL sources were newspapers and/or magazine articles or repute. I had requested in my contest for assistance on direction and or help with the article itself moving forward. I would still like that assistance, if the article can be re-instated for revision and review. Please advise. I can understand wanting to ensure all content on the site is proper and legitimate, but if a page is created under my account as a draft, and not in the public domain, I'm not sure why it has to be deleted and can't simply be revised and re-reviewed. Please let me know what can be done. [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC) [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you can't copy copyright content from elsewhere on the web into any part of Wikipedia, including your own userspace; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not permitted here. Also, you should not be attempting to promote your relative here, regardless of whether or not she is [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards (I don't know if she is or not). If she's important and interesting enough, some uninvolved editor will eventually create a page about her; please have the decency to wait until that happens, and refrain from editing it if it does. Sorry if this seems harsh; on the bright side, there are more than five million articles here, many of which are in dire need of improvement. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] - biased user ==

Two days ago I inserted information reported on the New York Times "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation." to the page at Roberto Gagliardi

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] removed this insertion within minutes and once again censored information found on accredited sources for unclear and unjustifiable reasons. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] then proceeded to remove the main points from the page, stripping it of its most important parts that are well-sourced and have been on the page for some time.

The actions of [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] are not based on facts but on personal presumptions and he does not act by the book but by his own standards.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] has continually censored (over several months), not only the sentence "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation" but other important facts from highly reputable sources known all around the world such as "La Nazione" (in the top 5 Italian newspapers) the Evening Standard, the Council of Chianciano Terme and Saatchi Museum's "Art and Music" official printed magazine (among other sources). These sources deemed the information in the public interest in Italy, the USA and the U.K. but [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] strangely decided that the information was irrelevant or found some other reason to remove it.

People on wikipedia are published due to their personal and professional achievements. Once a person is deemed as notable, personal and professional information of certain stature is relevant if, of course, is backed up by reliable sources. This user has disputed very prestigious publications (who deemed the information notable enough to publish) and has demoted information as not fit for an encyclopedia due to its professional and personal nature when such facts are exactly what a page about a notable "person" are all about.

This user's contributions seem to have been carried out with the intention to remove the foundations of this page with the aim of eventually having it totally removed. This user has failed to have the page removed already once but continues to undermine the page by gradually eroding the page of its content.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] undermines the foundations of Wikipedia and damages the integrity of thousands of other administrators, deleting the truth and betraying the bonafide of other wikipedia collaborators. In carrying out his censorship based on prejudice and in ignoring the facts, he is acting against the moral principles of Wikipedia.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] , from an analysis of his actions on this page, can be defined as unfit to collaborate with a serious organisation like Wikipedia due to lack of proper and independent judgement.

It has become clear that the desire to demonstrate his power as censor has overshadowed his important duty to remain unbiased and serve the truth.

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.131.238.35|81.131.238.35]] ([[User talk:81.131.238.35|talk]]) 16:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Giorgio Petrosyan, External links ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, please tell me why the external links was removed because it is useful to the visitor and provides additional information about the fighter? (https://234fight.com/mma/giorgio-petrosyan-wiki-profile/) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 20:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 
:Er, no, {{u|AndeeF}}, that page is of no interest to Wikipedia readers as it is copied (without the required acknowledgement!) from Wikipedia. An IP, 93.171.160.105, [[WP:LINKSPAM|spammed]] a [[Special:Contributions/93.171.160.105|lot of links to that site]]. I removed them and left a warning for the IP editor. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, how do you know which pages are not interested in (?), you are interested in fighting? According to my statistics (Statistics website) Visitors switched from wiki spend on site of more than one minute, which shows the interest !!! I can provide real proof. Wiki copied in part, whether in the presence of reverse links on the wiki count on a return link to the article? Ta! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 23:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Social Discovery Ventures. Copyright ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures) is a translation from russian article https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures . [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Then it would require [[WP:ATTREQ|copyright attribution]], {{u|MoscowFF}} – which I see has now been provided by {{u|JJMC89}}. That leaves the question of how your translation happened to use some of the exact words of another website (one possible explanation is that you each independently used the same translation tool to translate the Russian-language page). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for answering my previous question. Could you tell me what should I do to restore this article? Or maybe I should just wait while issue are resolved? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 10:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Could you say, may I edit the article by myself to replace the disputable part? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 13:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::: This has already been answered on my talk page. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 16:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Fernando Carcupino]] ==

Hi JLAN. As you have probably seen, I grew tired of reverting the sub-stub and expanded it today. I'm sure it won't be long until [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|our friend]] shows up to "improve" it further in his own special way [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:Well, well, well, true to form he showed up in the dead of night (Italian time) under the guise of the Telecom Italia IP [[Special:Contributions/82.58.82.206|82.58.82.206]]. I've reverted the edits and left a note on the talk page about the "honours" and need for better referencing before adding them. Keep an eagle eye on it. I will too, of course. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 05:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::I saw, {{u|Voceditenore}}; you seem to have established notability where I was doubtful. As for the nuisance, I think the best thing is to avoid any interaction at all other than immediate reversion of all edits. And yes, I'm watching ... Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, I have no intention of interacting with him. Besides, his IP is dynamic, shifting constantly, and when he gets bored of [[Telecom Italia]] he switches to [[WIND (Italy)|Wind]]. He went on a complete rampage between the 10th and 12th of this month, not only here but also globally ([https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=82.54.66.110], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=95.236.167.246], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=79.13.112.103], etc.), including the Italian Wikipedia where he snaffled my new text for Carcupino while adding his own inimitable touches and of course monkeyed with his innumerable Natoli articles. He even has stuff on Simple Wikipedia. I've duffed him in to the admins there [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5477035#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user]. Onwards and upwards. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 10:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

==[[Bharti Dayal]]==
Its not an autobiography ! its a knowledge update on Wikipedia and to Wikipedians !Required <nowiki><ref></nowiki>has been given now you edit as I am not a good editor. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bharti Dayal|Bharti Dayal]] ([[User talk:Bharti Dayal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bharti Dayal|contribs]]) 09:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|Bharti Dayal}}, if you are [[Bharti Dayal]] you should not (in general) edit the page about yourself – that is [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]] and is strongly discouraged. If you are not that person you should not be using her name and should [[Wikipedia:Changing username|change your username]] immediately – please see [[WP:IMPERSONATE]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

== FYI ==

See the Administrators' Notice Board on Simple English Wikipedia [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5491283#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user here] for the latest onslaught. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 17:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

== CCI case for Josephlalrinhlua786? ==

Hi JLAN, I'm just following up on a ping that JJMC89 dropped you on his talk page. Copyright stuff ain't 'zackly my forte, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on how to deal with {{noping|Josephlalrinhlua786}}, and specifically whether or not you think a CCI is warranted. This guy was indeffed circa August 2016 for copyright violations, and I recently indeffed him when it became apparent he had continued the copyvios. Some examples:
* At [[Westworld (TV series)]] compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westworld_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=742200105&oldid=742130602 these] to [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hbos-westworld-100-million-price-934347 this reference].
* He was a major contributor at [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]]. Some obvious plagiarism includes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742458060 this content] which matches content found [http://www.forbes.com/sites/dongroves/2016/10/02/biopic-of-indian-cricket-hero-m-s-dhoni-scores-big-in-india-u-s/#3c9a7f038b85 here].
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742854381 Here], we see:
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it."
:compared to
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it." found [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Disha-Patani-learnt-an-endangered-tribal-language-for-M-S-Dhoni-The-Untold-Story/articleshow/53783925.cms?from=mdr here]
I'm confident there are many more examples like this. I just choose not to clutter up your talk page with them. Anyway, your input is appreciated. Regards, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 20:25, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}! Yes, I think you should almost certainly request a CCI for this user (based on what you say – I haven't looked in depth at his contribs). While the general rule of thumb is a minimum of five examples of infringement, it's my feeling that a CCI request should be more or less automatic for any user indeffed for repeated copyright violations (unless there are really few contribs, of course). A big advantage of a CCI investigation is that it gives us the "authority" to presumptively remove all content by the user without needing to check each edit individually. In the case of [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]], the page could be rolled back to {{oldid|M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story|742403086|this version}}; that removes a lot of content, but at least we'd be (reasonably) sure there's no remaining copyvio. I see {{u|JJMC89}} has removed a good deal already; I do slightly wonder if there's any more lurking (I might try to take a look if I can ever find a bit of time do dedicate to Wikipedia). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::I appreciate your thoughts, thank you. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Araucana]] ==

Hi - that large block quote from the 2008 study seems very much overkill, especially in the light of [http://scicultchickens.org/sites/scicultchickens.org/files/uploads/PNAS-2014-Thomson-4826-31.pdf this] 2013 report.

"Significance

Ancient DNA sequences from chickens provide an opportunity to study their human-mediated dispersal across the Pacific due to the significant genetic diversity and range of archaeological material available. We analyze ancient and modern material and reveal that previous studies have been impacted by contamination with modern chicken DNA and, that as a result, there is no evidence for Polynesian dispersal of chickens to preColumbian South America. We identify genetic markers of authentic ancient Polynesian chickens and use them to model early chicken dispersals across the Pacific. We find connections between chickens in the Micronesian and Bismarck Islands, but no evidence these were involved in dispersals further east. We also find clues about the origins of Polynesian chickens in the Philippines"

That source is also used in [[Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories#Claims involving chickens]], a section which is a mess - the two paragraphs need combining. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Doug Weller}}, it's been a while! Yep, it seems excessive. I've not finished there by any means. I plan to remove essentially all unsourced material, but want to add some more sourced stuff before I do so. And yes, the other article has essentially the same material twice over. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks, sounds good. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

== Help on a request edit - Louise Blouin page ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, could you please help me on my request edit on Louise Blouin page. I made an request edit on 08:23, 24 March 2016 (UTC) on the talk page about the Philanthropy part and I have no news. I would like your assistance on this. Thank you in advance for your help. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 

== Request to investigate ==

[[David Israelite]]'s first revision is a copyvio. However the copyvio seems to have been edited out. I have to go now. I know you do lots of good work in this area so if you could investigate how many revisions need RD1 I'd be grateful. Thanks, [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|BethNaught}}! It didn't seem to me that the foundational copyvio was completely removed (Earwig was still giving me a good deal of overlap, though some was from job titles and the like). I removed everything and rewrote from scratch. I think all previous revisions should be revdeleted, and have added a request to the page to that effect. Please feel free to over-ride that if you don't agree. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::I've carried out the deletion. Thank you for your effort rewriting it! [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 06:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Infobox horse breed ==

Instead of reverting the edit you could have just fixed the obvious typo... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]/[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|What I been doing]]) 20:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, indeed, and if there'd been anything remotely obvious about it, I might have tried to do so. By much the same token, you could have taken a fraction of a second to preview your botched edit and see that the example right there on the template page was displaying a duplicated image, and so fix it yourself (the Preview button is there for a reason ...). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I've figured out how and when I can block IPV6 ranges. Brad Watson (Miami) will hopefully find block evasion a bit more difficult for the next 3 months. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, that's good! We need that sort of stuff like we need a hole in the head … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

== Help ==

*[[Karachay horse]]. Myself and another editor took an initial whack at cleanup, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karachay_horse&type=revision&diff=749147220&oldid=748654475] but the editor is apparently both a newbie and English may not be first language. Tons of Russian language links, possible copyvio on the new material. Given the language issues, this one looks like it's up your alley. Good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! I don't speak or read Russian, but I had a quick look anyway. It seems to be better than many of our articles. I think the sources would need checking by a Russian-speaker (one seems to be a farm, so is probably not RS). The main question seems to be whether the breed actually exists, and the article seems at least to assert that it has official recognition. It'd be good to find some confirmation of that … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

== New Page Review needs your help ==

Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}},

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at [[Special:NewPagesFeed]] of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although [[WP:NPR|New Page Reviewing]] can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at [[WP:PERM]] and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at [[WP:NPR]] and [[WP:NPP|the new tutorial]].

''(Sent to all active AfC reviewers)'' [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


== Nazaire Group ==

{{Ping|Justlettersandnumbers}} - Hello Justlettersandnumbers, I wanted you to know that I am a resident of Long Island, and fond of conglomerates and groups. I am writing about businesses, and organizations as a 3rd party contributor, informing through cited material information of organizations and groups, raging from Alphabet Inc., an American multinational conglomerate(owners of Google, etc.) to lodges & secret societies, such as Independent Order of Odd Fellows.

== Resolving issues on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University ==

I tried pinging you, but I am not sure you got the message, so I am just restating what I put on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University:
I have raised what I believe are legitimate issues on the Talk page concerning:

Car collection
Courses section
Fashion Week reference
Online courses reference
Accreditation reference

Instead of responding to what I believe are logical arguments presented in cooperative language, @Justlettersandnumbers: ignored me completely, until he/she finally dealt the “COI” card. I believe this is an “ad hominem” attack, as per [[Paul Graham (computer programmer)|Graham’s Hierarchy of Disagreement]], if not actually name calling, going against the fundamental Wikipedia policy of “[[assuming good faith]].” Perhaps it has been a problem that I have posted anonymously, and therefore have not gained respect, so I am now a registered user, to ask one more time, for Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs) to address my concerns, which I feel are legitimate, before I take these issues to Dispute resolution.[[User:Freespeechman|Freespeechman]] ([[User talk:Freespeechman|talk]]) 07:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Challenge ==

Hi, excellent work! I moved the Swedish ones to [[Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic)]] though. That list will be copied every 100 entries into the European one so it'll rejoin that soon enough. Hope this is OK. Happy editing!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 21:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Dr. Blofeld|Dr B}}, I wasn't sure where to list them – now I know! Your challenge is much-needed stimulus to this lazy editor – thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Well you're doing some terrific work, always good to see content coming in for different countries!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 22:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you re italics ==

Thank you for bringing to my attention the rule that there should be no italics for proper names. - [[User:Blairall|Blairall]] ([[User talk:Blairall|talk]]) 18:18, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
:Well, {{u|Blairall}}, it's perhaps more of a guideline than a rule – certainly it's very widely and routinely ignored here. Your edit drew my attention to that page, where I made a couple of small additions – so thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

== [[WP:ACE2016|ArbCom Elections 2016]]: Voting now open! ==

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== Double redirects ==

Please have a look at [[Wikipedia:Double redirects]], particularly {{tq|"Wikipedia's MediaWiki software is currently configured to not follow the second redirect"}}. When you {{oldid2|750627688|created}} [[Smaland (cattle)]] as a redirect to [[Småland (cattle)]] (itself a redirect), you made a double redirect, which does not work.

You may be misreading [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]]: "Articles should link to these redirects. Do not retarget links to these redirects directly to the article to which they redirect." This is guidance to editors not to change links (within articles) that link directly to the redirect. In other words, "don't change <nowiki>[[Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki> in an article into <nowiki>[[Swedish Red Pied|Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki>". On the other hand, it is essential that double redirects be resolved to the eventual target page, because they simply doesn't work otherwise. Hope that makes sense now. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 22:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the trouble to post here, {{u|RexxS}}. Everything you say makes sense if you choose to read it in that way. But the advice at [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]] does not actually specify links '''in articles''', just links in general. What I wanted to do was create redirects to the "redirects with possibilities" that I had created (I can't write those articles myself because (1) I don't have access to a high-quality Swedish research library and (2) my understanding of Swedish is anyway pitiably poor). The bot has re-targeted those redirects to [[:Swedish Red Pied]], which doesn't really help anyone to find that article, but does make my intentionally-created redirects much harder to find. I don't want the software to follow the second redirect, i want people to be taken to the potential new article, and then have to follow with a single mouseclick if they're not interested in creating it. I don't know how that accords with all our "rules", but I do know that it is intended to expand the encyclopaedia. I think the bot should be told not to "fix" double redirects if the second one is "with possibilities". Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 02:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

== SILVA ribosomal RNA Article ==
Dear Justlettersandnumbers, I tried to update the following article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SILVA_ribosomal_RNA_database which is partly wrong and completely outdated, but my efforts resulted in blocking my account and deleting the information I added. So I would ask you to delete the whole entry - better no information in Wikipedia than wrong and outdated information. I do not know who started the entry, but obviously it was not maintained. Many thanks.
Frank Oliver Glöckner, PI of the SILVA project. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/194.95.7.19|194.95.7.19]] ([[User talk:194.95.7.19#top|talk]]) 16:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi, Dr. Glöckner, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry that your first experience here was not a good one – unfortunately, that can happen. There are a number of things you can do:
:* The account {{u|Silva wikipedia}}, which edited [[SILVA ribosomal RNA database]] on 18 November, is blocked only because the name is not allowable under our rules here – no editor may contribute under the name of an organisation. The owner of that account can request a change of username at any time. Or you can create an account for yourself whenever you like.
:* Once you have an account, you can, if you wish, nominate the SILVA page for [[WP:AfD|deletion]]. I think its fairly unlikely that that would succeed – you would need to show that the database is not widely discussed in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]], and thus is not [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards, and I think that would be hard to do. I don't have the necessary power to delete the page, and even if I did, there'd need to be consensus to delete before I could use it.
:* In any discussion related to SILVA you should make it clear that you are connected to the project; there's guidance on this [[WP:COI|here]].
:* You are always welcome to propose or request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page, [[Talk:SILVA ribosomal RNA database]].
:Please ask here if you have questions or if you need help getting started. Wikipedia particularly needs and values expert editors, so I hope you will stay with us. Please be aware that in Wikipedia, as in academia, one cannot simply copy material from other published sources and post it here – we try quite hard to protect the copyrights of authors. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

== Städelschule ==

Hi, you recently edited the article on Städelschule in Frankfurt am Main. Working at Städelschule, we translated our German version of the article and uploaded the English one recently. Unfortunately I cannot read your comment to the edits in full length. What else - besides the copyright infringement - was your concern?

Kindly,
Marie — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MarieEgger|MarieEgger]] ([[User talk:MarieEgger#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarieEgger|contribs]]) 16:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi! {{u|MarieEgger}}.Thanks for making clear your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the school; please follow that bluelink to read about that, and read the section I posted on the talk-page wtih exactly that title. Also, please don't remove the copyvio blanking from the article again: you don't have that right, and repeatedly doing so could lead to trouble. Please wait patiently for the matter to be sorted out – which i'm afraid may take some time. If you translated the dewiki page, you must provide attribution for that content on the talk-page – please see {{tl|translated page}}. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

== kathiawari horse ==

hello justlettersandnumbers i am equine expert from gujarat state of india, kathiyawad is the region in gujarat known for its horse and are named after it as kathiyawadi horse, there are many mistakes on kathiyawadi horse article which should be removed, so you should help me to correct it, not remove it. the title "kathiawar" is totally wrong spelling and information are very short and unclear. so please try to help me in this contribution by not reediting the kathiyawari horse article. please do this favour, i hope you will understand — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:24, 2 December 2016 (UTC) 

=== please try to help me if i am wrong ===

article like kathiyawadi horse, kathi darbar, chetak are well researched by me for 10 years. i am from the area where kathiyawadi horse are found and have information about it. second this is that i belong to kathi community who have developed this breed and are still owner of kathiawari breed. i am trying to help wikipedia about this information. but i am poor in english language, so i can not express my information properly so please try to help me, i am not your enemy. there are many mistakes about article — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 05:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC) 

:I'll do what I can to help, {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}. Please understand, though, that you will have to get used to our way of doing things here. For example, your first step after your edits have been rejected should not be to make the same edit again, but to '''start a discussion on the talk-page'''. Until you do that, I very much doubt if any progress will be made at [[:Kathiawari]]. Also, please take great care not to copy content into Wikipedia from other sources, as you did for example {{diff|Kathi Darbar|752602396|752600503|here}}, unless you are '''absolutely sure''' that it is suitably licenced for use here (in which case you must provide [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia|attribution]]). In that particular case, the GFDL licencing of the page is '''not''' compatible with Wikipedia – you can't copy from there. I'll leave an invitation to the Teahouse on your talk-page; you could also try asking at [[WT:Wikiproject India]] if there is anyone who could help you with language. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

::Just a drive by comment, Aniruddhbhaidhadhal posted to my talk page, and I moved that conversation over to his so others might also assist. I explained my concerns with the edits. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I see now the pattern, this supposed politically correct person, have had some issues against horse/cattle breeds before.
Mr Justlettersandnumbers, you deleted plenty of information on a wikipedia page that doesn´t belong to you and that you didn´t created it (it happened the same with me).
Next time, you should start a discussion on the talk page yourself, before destroying other works that took years from them. You never set a foot on the ground, to study and research these cattle and horse breeds yourself, so respect other works. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.37.171.168|188.37.171.168]] ([[User talk:188.37.171.168#top|talk]]) 17:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC) 

== kathiywadi horse ==

sorry but i do not want to promote anything,( i am not from that community) but only want true information to be displayed, can we add this

"horse derives its name from the region kathiawar,mostly prominence of kathi darbar community,this people are the main breeder of the horse so proud are the kathi darbar of their mares that they rarely sold them (source:-1884 Gazetteer By Bombay Presidency Vol8 Kathiawar, page 89)" — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC) 

== BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected ==

'''AfC Reviewers''' are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on '''Thursday 8 December''' for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See [http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38219838 BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon]. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) ([[user:Kudpung]] for [[WP:NPR|NPR]]. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


== Undiscussed moves of Italian abbey articles ==

Why have you moved so many articles on Italian abbeys from their standard English language names, at which most of them were stable, to Italian names, with no discussion whatsoever? You were wrong to do this - see the standards on use of English article titles, common names (in English) and so forth: you were presumably unaware of them, or you would not have caused so much damage. Please move them back again. [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Eustachiusz}}, I reversed a couple of [[WP:CUTPASTE|cut-and-paste moves]] and several undiscussed page moves, all performed without discussion by {{u|Rococo1700}}. Our [[WP:AT|article title policy]] is completely clear on this matter: "Do not ... use obscure or made-up names". If you disagree with the current name of any of those pages, please start a [[WP:RM|move request]] in the normal way. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry - I should have checked more carefully. Most of them are on my watchlist and when your moves all showed up en masse I assumed the worst. Best wishes, [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 23:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Just as I moved some of those articles from one name to another, you have done the same. Some of those articles were first written by me, and I agree with the WP article title policy, that I should now have named them the way I did. You can start a [[[WP:RM|move request]] to move them back. But as it stands the category of Italian abbeys has some abbeys called all the following ways:
*Abbazia of so and so
*Abbey of so and so
*So and So abbey
*Monastery of So and So
*So and So abbey

We need a consensus. Other categories for other countries provide a template. Please provide an argument that substantiates your position and do not just revert the names given by author on a whim. For example, [[Abbey of Santa Maria delle Macchie, San Ginesio]] should be [[Santa Maria delle Macchie abbey, San Ginesio]]. If you wish to change this, please use [[WP:RM|Move request]]. I will post this to User:Eustachiusz also. It is always good to see who is interested in a certain topic.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

In my view there has been no standard in nomenclature for naming abbeys or monastery. When in doubt, see what is customary: In reviewing Category:Benedictine monasteries:

the German category (137 pages) and the American site (39 pages) follow the sequence of ''(Name) abbey'' or ''Abbey''. The French category (115 pages) uses both the sequence above or Abbey (Name). No consistency. The Spanish category favors monastery (since abbey has no direct translation in Spanish) and ''Monastery of (Name)'', which mirrors Spanish language grammar.

In looking at the choices, I prefer the German and American naming system, it seems the most consistent, and gives the primary name primacy, always helpful.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Incorrect Copyright Claim - Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia Page ==

Hey there Justlettersandnumbers, the 4 books referenced from links on Amazon.com mention the subject Charlie Zeleny and actually public domain information referenced in the original Wikipedia page article that has been up for over 5 years on the subject Charlie Zeleny. It is common knowledge that the subject is in fact a pro drummer, music director, producer and solo artist. The Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia page has been up for over 5 years (last major update 2011 prior to 2016) and looks like it was actually referenced in the Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography, Volume 1 by Miloslav Rechcigl Jr. which was released just recently on November 10th, 2016.

Here are multiple sources stating that Charlie Zeleny is an American drummer, music director, producer and solo artist:
* http://www.paiste.com/e/endorser_det.php?page=bio&endorserid=4606
* http://www.futurecomposer.com/2010/12/01/musician-profile-charlie-zeleny/
* https://www.discogs.com/artist/690830-Charlie-Zeleny
* http://www.protectionracket.com/artists/item/charlie-zeleny
* http://pearldrum.com/artists/drumset-artists/charlie-zeleny

Please remove the incorrect copyright claim when you get a chance. Also, please let me know if I need to change the reference to Amazon's books in any way to avoid this issue in the future. Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/100.35.194.25|100.35.194.25]] ([[User talk:100.35.194.25|talk]]) 14:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Hello all of my edits were taken down from a page I edited for not citing plagerism. I am confused because I cited my sources correctly. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Destrest|Destrest]] ([[User talk:Destrest#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Destrest|contribs]]) 03:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Destrest}}! I reverted your addition to [[Ousmane Sow]] because you copied large chunks of text word-for-word from [http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/3337667.pdf this article on JSTOR]. Please read the message I left for you on your talk-page about this; if you have questions you can ask there or here. Just to be completely clear: it doesn't matter whether you've cited the source or not, you can't copy from it. You have to write in your own words. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Happy Saturnalia! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 01:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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== Horse breed infobox ==

Not sure why the infobox on the Kathiwari article formatted so strangely; perhaps just because no photo. As far as a "proper" infobox, if you have ideas for things to change at {{tl|Infobox horse breed}}, feel free to pop over there and initiate a discussion. If adding a separate parameter for height range is one idea, I'm not completely opposed, though clearly there is the issue of the partial truce that I definitely do not want to stir up again. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:The other animal breed infoboxes, which are based on {{tl|infobox animal breed}} have, among other things, parameters for conservation status, distribution, height, weight and coat colour, all of which I'd like to see added to the horse one. I don't know why horse <s>and donkey</s> got left out when all the others were updated. I might try to sketch out something in a sandbox and invite criticism. Meanwhile, yes, let's keep waving that white flag. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Nordeus talk page ==

Can you please check out [[Talk:Nordeus]] so we can try to work things out. Thank you.--[[User:Serbianboy|VuXman]] [[User talk:Serbianboy|talk]] 09:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you, {{u|Nettrom}}! That's very generous of you, considering that what I did there annihilated the work you'd already put in to improve it. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== Buon Natale! ==

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'''May you have very Happy Holidays, Justlettersandnumbers'''

'''and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and panettone!'''

''Best wishes, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)''
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== Alexandre Mars‎‎ ==

Thanks for your attention to [[Alexandre Mars‎‎]] and finding that copyvio. I'm not sure if you saw the discussion on the article's talk page or on [[WP:COIN]], but Mars' PR director, {{user|Jennepicfoundation‎}} has been running roughshod over that article. I'm hoping to get a few other voices commenting on this paid editor's conduct. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] ([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]]) 15:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

{{user|Justlettersandnumbers‎}} Thanks for your help with the copyright info. I've replied to the post on Alexandre Mars's talk page.

== [[Aequale]]s ==

You're quite right, I have no idea what the group is playing in the picture. They are clearly a trombone quartet, but that only meets the very broad definition of an aequale, as a piece for equal voices or instruments, which is not really what the article is about. I have inserted a more clearly-associated illustration: a score of a 19th-century trombone funeral quartet. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 19:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

:I think that's much better, thank you, {{u|HLHJ}}! Personally, I'd much prefer to see a historic edition there rather than a modern one, though. I seem to have a copy of a nineteenth-century Breitkopf print of the same works, presumably downloaded from IMSLP (it carries the date of composition, 2 November 1812 – the Day of the Dead in that fateful year). Would that be better? If so I can easily upload it. I don't know the full publication history of those pieces, but as WoO they were presumably not published in Beethoven's time; nor do I know if there's an extant manuscript. The edition I have might even be the first printed edition. Regards, seasonal wishes, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

::That sounds great. It could be used to illustrate [[Old Cathedral, Linz#Music]], as well. Please do, when you have time. I've made an [[:commons:aequales|aequales category on Commons]], so if you stick it in there, then if anyone prefers to read a modern text they can find both easily. A recording would be marvelous, but I haven't found a suitably-licensed one yet.
::Incidentally, the [http://www.indiana.edu/~trombone/trombone_choir.html#sounds Indiana group] lists some pieces they've played, including [[Václav Nelhýbel]]'s "[[Tower Music]]", arranged for eight trombones, which seems to reference the aequale tradition. They've posted some recordings of Canzon Septimi Toni No. 2 by [[Giovanni Gabrieli]] and suchlike, too. [http://alanmswanson.com Alan Swanson] has posted a score and a recording of his "Equale per quattro tromboni, “Academic Discussion in Groningen”", but it's not very 18th-century, nor, obviously, public domain!
::[http://kimballtrombone.com/2009/07/28/trombone-history-beethovens-drei-equali/ Will Kimball's trombone history teaching page] also has a section on Beethoven's "Drei Equali", with a primary source in translation. Thanks for telling me that it was composed on the 2nd of November; I was wondering if it was a response to a performance. Best wishes for the holidays! [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 21:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I'll try to upload it soon … but see below! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Hello again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]]. I hope you had a nice Christmas. I found the original public-domain text of the document I quoted in the aequale article (in blackletter, here: pp.20-21 [http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN689342624&PHYSID=PHYS_0031&DMDID=DMDLOG_0001 page], [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/GBQX4QRMTF2ANNAAIWAI4PW6DAR35YTF record]). I hadn't considered the copyright on such a short translation; good catch. I post the original text here, followed by my own translation:
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In der ersten Klasse wird bei Ankunft der Geistlichkeit durch eine kurze Trauermusik (''Equal'') mit Posaunen oder andern Blasinstrumenten das Zeichen zur geistlichen Trauerhandlung fuer die Anwesenden gegeben, nach deren Vollendung sich der Leichenzug in bewegung sesset, welches wieder mittelst der blasenden Trauermusik angezeigt wird, mit welcher dann waerend des Zuges die Gesangmusik, die ein drei- oder vierstimmiges ''Misserere'' singet, abwechselt bis zum Eingange der Kirche oder Grabstaette, wo der Einsegnung der ''Vers.: Requiem aeternam'', gesungen wird. Nach erfolgter Einsegnung und dem allgemeinem Gebet wird eine Trauer-Motette gesungen.
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For first-class [funerals], the arrival of the clergy will be announced by a short mourning-music (''Equale'') played on trombones or other wind instruments. This will mark the beginning of the funeral service. After this, the funeral procession will set out, again suitably announced by mourning music on wind instruments. During the procession, this shall be played alternately with a three- or four-voice choral ''Misserere'' until arrival at the entrance of the church or graveyard, where the Requiem aeternam is sung in benediction. After the benediction and common prayer, a mourning motet is sung.
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::::Have you in the meantime found a professional public-domain translation? I'm sure a professional translator intimately acquainted with the funerary rituals of early 19th-century Linz would do a better job, so if you have, please post that. If not, could you please put this quote into the article, with the original text in a footnote? [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|HLHJ}}, as you may have seen, I have answered there. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Happy Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year ==

To all who watch or visit this page:

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My very best wishes for the Christmas holidays and for the New Year. For family reasons I will be on Wikipedia only infrequently (if at all) for several days from now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

==Holiday card==
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== Let's clean up some beef! ==

Thanks for {{diff|Template:Beef|prev|758179932|your edit to Template:Beef}}. Please help me update the articles removed from the navbox by removing the navbox from them ([[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]). [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 23:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your support! I made a BOLD edit, and have followed up with a rationale on the talk-page. I was thinking of waiting for some reaction there – perhaps for a day or two – before cleaning up as you suggest. But please do as you think fit. I certainly would be glad to see it gone from the breed articles – it collates a mass of trivial or irrelevant topics and so serves essentially no useful navigational purpose. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
::Incidentally, what do you think of a beef cattle breed navbox? Is it worth making, or would it be superfluous to [[:Category:Beef cattle breeds]]? [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 20:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi, {{u|Ibadibam}}! As I (more or less) said on the talk-page there, I believe that the idea that cattle breeds can be categorised into a single use is only really going to be applicable to a small minority of mostly industrial-type breeds, and that the vast majority of breeds round the world are probably dual- or triple-purpose – not counting modern "uses" such as vegetation management and heritage conservation. It's also often a very modern categorisation, as many breeds were used as draught animals until the second half of the last century; a breed like the [[:Chianina]] has two thousand years of history, and has been a "beef breed" since the 1980s. Where I live, the last working cattle disappeared less than thirty years ago.
:::So I think that navboxes based on geographical criteria alone are more likely to be useful. I've made quite a lot of these (I think most of what is in [[:Category:Domestic animal breed navigational boxes|here]] other than the British and dog topics). But why don't you suggest this at [[WT:FARM]] and see what others think? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'm not that invested in the idea; just sussing out your opinion. I think the existing navboxes are more than sufficient. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 21:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I restored the beef cattle category on the Piedmontese because they are considered [http://www.piemontese.info premium beef producers] and are established as a foundation breed (F1) for beef cattle (F2). I understood that Category: Beef was intended for food, but cattle that produce both beef (F1) and dairy products (the latter of which is actually a secondary trait world-wide for this breed unlike Holsteins) should not eliminate them from being categorized as beef cattle. The F1 bulls and cows are used far more often in beef production than anything else. [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 23:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:Doing a drive-by, keep in mind that navboxes don't have to be 100% bidirectional; that's a guideline, not a policy. [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] has had a lot of drama over that questions. It is, in my view, perfectly appropriate to keep the beef navbox on beef cattle breed articles as a secondary box to a navbox on cattle breeds or whatever. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, agreed (on the first bit) – notice that I haven't said anything about bi-directionality here or at [[Template talk:Beef]]. But you don't need to be a genius to guess which way an RfC would go if there was to be one.

::À propos, I think it's time to pre-emptively turn {{tl|Equine}} into a portal or something – it too introduces a mass of only marginally relevant links to a lot of breed articles, and makes a very inviting target for those who enjoy trying to enforce guidance as rules. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::Heh, there was a major spat at WPEQ over someone who removed it from all 400 breed articles -- and I think before that there was a huge spat about including it! But we have a portal. [[Portal:Horses]] (maybe it should be linked on the navbox, it's in the project tag at the talk page, but readers don't go there. Dana boomer created the portal and I maintained it for a while after she left, but got a bit tired of doing so. At present, it is useless for navigation because all it can do is link to the category tree, which is a mess. I rather like our navbox, actually; though there is room to tweak some aspects, we do need a navbox that is an overview of the equine project, from breeds to activities, etc...IMHO. I think that navboxes that are too narrow are of no real benefit to the reader. But that's a discussion for the WPEQ page. What I do think we need is to take a look at the complete anarchy that is the category structure and whether there is a way to make that more sane. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

==Unrelated topic==
We probably need to have a broader discussion at WPEQ over whether putting "History" or "Characteristics" first in breed articles should be standardized or on an article-by-article basis. The latter may be the best approach, but the problem is when it's a fine line. (i.e. long history sections before describing appearance can be discouraging to the younger reader that often is the primary consumer of horse breed articles. I flipped one on the Kathiawari due to its prior GA status, but most of the time, the distinction is not a big deal because the articles are short anyway, so no long sections to discourage the reader. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Just noticed ==

You may want to take some of the material in [ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a1250e/annexes/List%20of%20breeds%20documented%20in%20the%20Global%20Databank%20for%20Animal%20Genetic%20Resources/List_breeds.pdf this source] with a grain of salt; while it may be accurate for stating something is an endangered breed, it listed the [[Waler horse]] as an extinct breed, which it most certainly is not ([http://www.rbta.org/the-waler-horse/], [http://www.walerhorse.com], [http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/horses/australias_horses/waler_horse], etc...). The same report also lists the "Palouse" as a breed of Australia -- and that is an old name for the American [[Appaloosa]] (see [[Palouse River]]). They also classify the "[[warmblood]]" as an Australian breed. I presume they got their lists from the DAD-IS or something? (big sigh) These governmental agency reports that get relied upon are absolutely terrible. (You've heard me rant about the USA "breeds"before... the "[[cow pony]].," "[[broomtail]]" and the "[[cayuse horse|cayuse]]" listed as breeds? Arrgh) Anyway, just letting you know that these international agencies may have a [[GIGO]] problem with their data. They are more RS than the fan breed pages you have diligently been trying to deal with (and thank you), but they are kind of worrisome. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:Er, yes, I know that! The database just holds the data submitted to it by each country, and "Breeds currently recorded in the global Databank for Animal Genetic Resources" (2007) is based on that data (the title is a hint!). So of course it's only as good as the data itself. It is indeed really surprising if the National Animal Germplasm Program of the USDA Agricultural Research Service doesn't know anything about American horse breeds, but if it doesn't that's hardly the fault of the FAO! Looks as if the Trade and Market Access Division of the Australian Government Department of Agriculture isn't much better. Fortunately, many countries do manage to report their breeds accurately, often with useful and detailed information. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::It appeared that the list of breeds data was from the same sources that the FAO DAD-IS gets theirs? ( i.e. national ag agency reports...?) At least, the USA list looked similar to what the FAO has... so, maybe my question is this: Which nations, in your view, have proved that they do a good job and which ones appear to delegate it to their most junior woodchuck? Seems, to me, overall, that the larger first world nations seem also to be the worse "offenders" with their listings. I suspect that the poor third-world nations might actually do a lot better? Your thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Mostly, as I said above, I think countries submit good and useful data; too often, even if the data is there, I find that it would need deeper knowledge than I have to interpret it (the various Mongolian horse breeds, for example). As I recall, Germany over-reports (almost 200 horse breeds IIRC), which makes it relatively hard to sift the useful data from the useless. Somebody (France, perhaps?) reports every plumage variety of each chicken as a separate breed – not really helpful. Because the reporting is done by government agencies or ministries or whatever, breeds without official recognition are quite likely to be omitted. Anyway, why not try a strongly-worded letter to the USDA, telling them what you think of their reporting of horses? (reporting of cattle looks pretty much OK). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Sigh. Surely you jest? Change the USDA report standards? Have someone who knows what they are talking about compile data? I wish. They have stuff that's 25 years old and never updated (I suspect the reason they list some extinct breeds is because they've copied over records dating to the 1800s...) The problem with the USA is that we are so fond of non-regulation of "free enterprise" that we don't care if breeds are officially recognized or not except where there is an import/export thing going on where we agree to recognize stud books from other nations for the purpose of importing "purebred" animals (follow the money. In the USA, always follow the money) -- there is no licensing of breeding stock done by the government, the only thing that is seriously regulated are issues surrounding disease transmission and food safety. And the regs for "recognized breeds" are... [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-9.pdf hopeless] [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf], [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf]). As a result, we have laws like [http://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0810/chapter_0040/part_0020/section_0100/0810-0040-0020-0100.html this one]-- with no further definition or guideline. Sorry, I'm ranting. But here's my favorite of the day: [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009019 1500] "Wild"Mustangs? But [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009015 30,000] "Spanish" Mustangs? (Most modern Mustangs have small amounts of Spanish blood, though there are a few remnant populations that are near-pure -- but the stats from the USDA to the DAD-IS really should have been flipped...) Sorry, went down a rabbit hole. It's really rather depressing. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Adamson University - RD1 ==

Thanks for that one - only 1725 revisions had to be deleted to get back to April 2008! :-) [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 12:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm really sorry, I did realise it was going to be a lot of work – that's why I only vaguely asked if it should go all the way back to the first copyvio on 15 September 2005‎! Many thanks for dealing with some of these, not many people do (and it's not hard to see why not). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
::Not a problem, doing them in batches of 250 did test the software or my laptop though. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 17:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright "violation" issue ==

Hi - so sorry for my previous lack of repsonse but I have only just come across your message to me, re copyright issues. For the record, I am Duncan Kimball of Sydney Australia, (dunks58). I am the co-founder and copyright owner of the milesago.com website, and I am the editor and author of most of the material therein (unless otherwise stated there). I am anxious to ensure that the contributions in question can be retained in the relevant articles. I am happy to undertake whatever procedures are necessary. If you could please advise how to go about this, I would be most grateful. Thanks and best regards, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 15:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:Hi there, {{u|Dunks58}}, I was hoping you'd get in touch. Here's where I think we are: an email about this was sent to OTRS about six months ago, but it wasn't in itself quite sufficient for us to accept as permission. Someone (not me) replied to it asking for some clarification, but as far as I can see no reply was ever received. I'll forward the email to the sender. It has the number 2016081910002945 in its title; as long as that is quoted in any reply we should be able to join up the dots. We're also going to need a full list of all articles that contain content copied from that site – I hope you'll be able to help with that? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

::Justlettersandnumbers and {{u|Dunks58}}, there's a notice on milesago.com [http://www.milesago.com/MainFrame.htm here] that all material is authored by Duncan Kimball unless otherwise stated and that all of Kimball's material is released on CC-By-SA 3.0. Isn't that enough as long as cross-checks are made between the WP articles in question and the pages on the website where the text comes from to verify that no other author is credited? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 15:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Certainly looks that way to me, {{u|Voceditenore}} – many thanks for finding that (it's not on any of the many pages of the site that I've looked at, perhaps because they were archived versions). Provided it covers all subpages of the website (Duncan?), all that's needed is to compile a complete list of all our pages with stuff copied from there, and then add a suitable attribution statement to each. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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== [[Nina Menkes]] article ==

I just kinda stumbled across this article in a very indirect way. I guess you could say I have a very minor interest, but not a conflict of interest here. In any case, I'll probably work at the article slowly over a couple of weeks. I may ask a very good editor to help a bit. In any case let me know if you have any objections to any of my edits. There's a lot of material and a lot of COI there, so I'll se what I can do. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 20:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me, {{u|Smallbones}}! I've not much interest in the topic, but no desire at all to see people trying to use our pages to promote themselves, so I took a brush-hook to what was there. There's been socking as well as the COI, by the way. She's clearly notable, it shouldn't be too hard to find some factual information about her (not that I managed to find much). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 21:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Claus Drexel ==

Thanks for letting me know. I think it got moved along with the main page, I certainly didn't intentionally move the talk page and now I know if it ever comes up again to uncheck that box. [[User:Katharineamy|Katharineamy]] ([[User talk:Katharineamy|talk]]) 20:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:It's surely not your fault – it was misnamed from the start. Now [[Talk:Claus Drexel (filmmaker)/Temp|tagged for deletion]]. Normally, it's the ones with /Temp at the end that have a special function. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
{{you've got mail|subject=The Wikipedia Library -OUP|ts=07:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)}}
--[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron11598]] [[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] 07:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== Italian singer ==

Looked at a fairly superficial review like a probable keep to me, but I cannot read the foreign language sources, figured you would have some credibility on this discussion: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aura D'Angelo]]. My own view open to change pending further info... [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Charles Adelson ==

You marked this page for speedy deletion on the grounds of alleged CSD G10 problem. Please explain to me why you think the page "attacks, threatens or disparages." It is a neutral and well-sourced page about a notable figure, whose fame is primarily in connection with an ongoing murder investigation of a prominent Florida law professor. I checked Google News a few minutes ago and found 43,800 hits for Charles Adelson, mostly related to the murder. If you feel something in particular "attacks, threatens or disparages," please remove it. The decision to remove the entire page is inexplicable. Indeed, the only threat I can see in connection with the page is your threat to block me from editing on the basis of a false accusation of having created an attack page. [[User:Knowitall369|Knowitall369]] ([[User talk:Knowitall369|talk]]) 00:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:Well, that seems to have been resolved by the deletion of both [[:Charles Adelson]] and [[:Wendi Adelson]]. I've also reverted some edits at [[:Dan Markel]] that appeared to be unduly negative about living people without proper factual references. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
== RfC requested about tags ==

I have [[Talk:Roger Gosden#RfC of COI written article|requested RfC]] to address the issues you raised with maintenance tags. I am obviously not the right person to address said tags. — አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 19:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:As has been pointed out to me this is not the proper use of an RfC. However, I converted it a normal discussion and would like your input before I request that the tags you placed on [[Roger Gosden]] be removed. Simply, placing a [[Template:COI]] on an article without explanation on its talk page is a violation of policies in [[WP:COI]] and is even highlighted in the documentation of the template. Please join the discussion.— አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 04:57, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

== References on Robert Orledge ==

Hi, I note you reverted my changes to the references on [[Robert Orledge]]. I don't have any problem with reverting to the untemplated format for references, but is there any reason to keep a dead link (the Liverpool university one) when a one line stub (after removal of all the copyvio I found) has 2 references to support it?— [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 09:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
:In my personal view, very little, {{u|Rodw}}. I was thinking of the guidance at [[WP:KDL]]. But please do as you think fit. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

== Consensus ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. When making an edit that causes drastic changes to a Wikipedia article, especially one that removes a large amount of information created by other users, such as your recent edits to [[Pekin (duck)]] please discuss it on the article's [[WP:Talk page]] first. Doing this allows other editors to discuss the potential changes with you, so you can be sure that [[WP:Consensus]] has been reached, as this is a Wikipedia standard. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 04:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:Errm, {{u|EditSafe}}, there was already consensus on the talk-page that the article needed to be overhauled. Please see the section [[Talk:Pekin (duck)#Wow]], where three editors agreed on exactly that. You were one of them. I suggest continuing this on that page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::I do not think that anyone wanted you to remove all of the content and replace it with a short section of your own like you did. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

I don't think you have much to apologize for. It is true, in general, that new users tend to be met with hostility and that it's a problem that this drives away what could otherwise be useful contributors. I just don't happen to think that was what was happening in this case. But if you have evidence to the contrary, maybe it is I who should apologize. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:40, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== North American Piedmontese ==

I don't understand why you removed so much information from the NAP article and made accusations that the information was promotional or it was a brand name, or whatever else you stated as the reason for removal. What you did was not unlike removing information in an [[AQHA]] article about double-registered paints and palominos, and calling Quarter horses a brand name. Your questions on the TP of the article leads me to believe you didn't do any research before you started removing information. I updated the few dead links and provided more links - which you could just as easily have done rather than delete and add tags. <s>I think the right thing to do in this case is for you to go back to the article and self-revert or replace all the information you removed from that article.</s> [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC) Strike on 16:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== revision made on the Lloyd Klein Page ==

Hi Just:
I am hoping I did not delete the recent paragraph that cites a recent personal issue that made tabloid headlines regarding alleged attacks on Mr. Klein and subsequent arrests revolving around the incident. The contributor (kbabej) who wrote the article should know better as she or he has contributed substantially to wikipedia biography articles. It seems to me to be a clear violation of wikipedia rules regarding posting potentially libelous and defamatory posts regarding living persons. I did a deletion of that edit as it has repercussions of great harm to the LLoyd Klein brand which was separately listed from Mr. Klein the person but merged into his biography page. As you I know I am closely involved with the topic and do not want to break the COI rules about interfering in an article, however I do recall that the rare instances that such an action is permissible is when it is one that is of defamatory nature. Your advice and guidance is appreciated.[[User:Fashionator|Fashionator]] ([[User talk:Fashionator|talk]]) 00:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your note, {{u|Fashionator}}. I can't look in detail now, but anything sourced only to the ''Daily Fail'' should be be removed without hesitation, and removing unreferenced or poorly-sourced defamatory content from the [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]] is not just permitted but an obligation. I'll try to look more carefully when I've had some sleep. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Article Redirection ==

I noticed you just placed a redirect on the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utrechts-Alblasserwaards&redirect=no Utrechts-Alblasserwaards]. Should you do the same then for the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hollandic South Hollandic] and other dialect-related articles lacking sources? Wishing you well, [[User:Tezamen|Tezamen]] ([[User talk:Tezamen|talk]]) 21:50, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Tezamen}}! I just happened to come across that one short stub. It had no references at all, so I redirected it. With suitable sources it could presumably become an article. Please do the same at [[South Hollandic]] and other similar pages if you think that appropriate. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Hi, I have reviewed the copyvio notice on the article [[Emma McClarkin]] and have removed all parts that were directly copied from other websites. Please remove the copyvio box. --[[User:Dimi z|dimi_z]] ([[User talk:Dimi z|talk]]) 13:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, further to the above comment, has there been any movement on this? Many thanks for your help. We are new to this but want to make positive contributions. [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 10:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Alexwikipediaedits}}! There's an OTRS ticket relating to that page, which I'm hoping someone other than me will handle. Unfortunately there's quite backlog (around 500 tickets last time I looked), so a little more patience may be needed. Unfortunately the rewrite by {{u|Dimi z}} (which should have been done at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Emma_McClarkin/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this page], not in the article itself) does not seem to be useable – see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Emma+McClarkin&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Femmamcclarkin.com%2Fabout-me%2F this comparison].
:Just one thing: why do you refer to yourself as "we"? You should know that Wikipedia user accounts are strictly for individual use – if there's more than one of you, you must each make your own account. Am I right in assuming that you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to McClarkin? If so, you must declare it – I'll leave a note on your talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Sometimes its easy to get lost in the everyday & lose sight of the little things you have done along the way. I just wanted to thank you again for your gentle encouragement & help in 2015 in creating my first article. Apparently I have now created enough valid articles to have "autopatrolled" permission. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 04:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for this, {{u|Find bruce}} – it was my pleasure! I remember that article, though not the actual name of the cyclist (of course I could easily look it up). As it happens, I've seen your name a couple of times, and have looked to see what you've been up to – which seems always to be the law. That we managed to retain a valuable editor after an initial minor setback isn't such a "little thing", though – it's really crucial to the future of the project, and something we often get wrong. I'm truly pleased that you're still around, and that you took the trouble to post here – thank you! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
::law, politics, history, cyclists & fish - what I enjoy & interests me is an odd mix, never managed to find more than 3 in one article. The cycling articles are a lot of work finding reliable information, so I do them only occasionally. For me its mostly about finding the overlooked aspects whether it is whole articles or cleaning up tables & references. In writing that, it seems to be true for most editors - finding the combination of what needs to be done that corresponds with their interests. Cheers, [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 10:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

== About [[Thomas Campbell (Australian politician)]] - good outcome, and thank you ==

Hi, Justlettersandnumbers, 
* Short version: the encyclopedia is better because of this.
* Long version: [[n/a|not applicable]], see the short version.
Pete AU aka --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Many thanks for flagging a potential copyright issue for the Emma McClarkin page. Further to Dimi's edits, are we able to remove this copyright notice? Now that we are fully aware of the protocol, we will make sure we adhere to it. Thanks [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 17:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Rolf Gindorf ==

Thanks for taking care of the copyright violation problem at [[Rolf Gindorf]]. I'm still rather new at this, and I wasn't sure if I should remove the material altogether or try to get someone who could read the German articles to try to fix it. I asked for advice at the help desk but the result was not very helpful (mostly because I phrased my question badly). Glad to have it cleared up, and to have some idea of how to proceed in the future. Cheers! [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 18:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
:What you did achieved the desired result, {{u|Leschnei}}, so thank you! There's whole article to be rewritten there if you're interested, but it might indeed be easier for someone who reads German. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Johann Adolph Hass]] ==

Hello,

On 5 February you posted a close paraphrasing tag on the above article. I have attempted to reword it a bit, could you take a look at it and if it's better remove the tag? Thanks. [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 20:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Jdcooper}}! I put that tag there because someone emailed OTRS about the close paraphrasing, and it didn't seem to me to be quite bad enough for the copyright problems board (on reflection, I could have been wrong about that). I've had a look at what you did, and at the original Grove article and … well, I'm still not happy. If Grove says "It was large instruments such as these that so many later 18th-century German composers had in mind, with good Bebung effects, discreet volume and a fairly bright tone", then our article simply cannot read "It was large instruments such as these that many late 18th-century German composers (such as C. P. E. Bach) had in mind when composing for the instrument, with good bebung ability and a bright tone". I've convinced myself, that's a copyvio, I'm going to go and fix it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::Ok, fair enough. I didn't fix that bit because I didn't understand it! [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 10:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, that's certainly fair enough, {{u|Jdcooper}}! – I don't think many people know what ''bebung'' is, or indeed what a clavichord is, for that matter. Thank you for what you did to improve that article, and for reminding me that I'd put that tag there. There's a '''lot''' more to be written about him if you are interested, he seems to be much more important than our article implies. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm glad to hear that! But me, I'm a clean-up gnome. I will add him to my watchlist and leave it to the experts :) [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 11:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

for pointing me to http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/09e06a12.pdf. It was a good reading experience. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 19:44, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:My pleasure, {{u|PigeonIP}}. It's good to see you around. I haven't yet looked at the Paul-Erwin Oswald pages you recommended, but thank you for the links. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== Palazzetto Bru Zane ==

Thank you for your comment on my article. I was not aware of the fact that the inclusion of 'original research' (or just personal knowledge) is not suitable for Wikipedia and that the official homepage of an institution does not count as an appropriate source - I see the point that it is not independent even if it is reliable and verifiable. However, I found most of the general information about the foundation's activities in mostly German newspaper articles (where I got to know it in the first place). It would seem odd to me to add a reference to every single sentence (they organise concerts, they publish CDs, and so on), but would the article be acceptable with these newspaper articles given as sources? I could also delete the information that is only available via the homepage; I only strived for thoroughness in adding those and I thought mentioning say the Internet radio might just be as rewarding for the interested reader as it was for me when I came across it. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 17:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, {{u|CharlesVilliers}}, content added here should normally be supported by independent references unless it is really unlikely to be challenged. As a general rule, we don't normally just overwrite someone else's article – though it does sometimes happen if the existing text is really poor. I don't think that's the case here. Also, I've asked for the page to be moved back to [[:Centre de musique romantique française]], on the basis that the centre (which is, what, six or seven years old?) is a separate topic from the [[:Casino Zane]], which has three or four centuries of history, and deserves a page of its own. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you again for your quick reply. The name of the foundation/organisation/centre is indeed ''Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique française'', even if it may seem counterintuitive. Not only their homepage and the logo confirm this, but also newspaper articles such as this one, see the first sentence: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/feb/23/mehul-uthal-cd-review-deshayes-beuron-bou Just as you put it, ''Casino Zane'' may be the most appropriate name for the building itself, while ''Centre de musique romantique française'' rather acts as a subtitle explaining the nature of the organisation. I invested some time in writing this article and very conscientiously checked all sources I could find. I will try to edit my version with giving these sources more precisely. Concerning additional information that is to be found on their homepage and is also very unlikely to be challenged - do you strongly advise against including it? [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 18:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:::{{u|CharlesVilliers}}, the best place to discuss this is the talk-page of the article, perhaps you could take it there? It would be polite to invite comment from {{u|In ictu oculi}} and perhaps some of the other editors who wrote the content that's there now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Hello, and thank you for your improvements on the article. Glancing over your edit summaries, I get the impression that you are quite upset with the previous and maybe the current state of the page. You have every right to do so. Still, I find expressions such as ″this is an encyclopaedia, for heaven's sake!″, ″uninspiring opera″ or the term ″hijack″ you used in the move discussion inappropriate and directed rather to me as a person than strictly limited to the matter. I regret you had a rather harsh attitude to all my additions, which were meant to be constructive; for example, you removed the mention of the [[Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles]] as unreferenced, while at least one of the given links draws this comparison ([[http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2009/10/08/venise-capitale-a-distance-de-la-musique-romantique-francaise_1251171_3246.html?xtmc=bru_zane&xtcr=13]]). As a new member, a [[Wikipedia:Please_bite_the_newbies|newbie]], I think I deserve a more respectful, kinder treatment. I had to adjust and am still adjusting to the change from reader to editor. I personally think it's great what the Palazzetto is doing—otherwise I would have had no interest in writing about it—but I was very aware to keep a neutral tone. English is not my first language so I may not always have succeeded. But as I understand Wikipedia, suboptimal phrases can continuously be improved by everyone and that's what I was hoping for to happen. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 13:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your close attention to the editing history of the article on David and Simon Reuben. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
|}
:{{ec}} Thanks, {{u|Edwardx}}! But it seems I've still not finished there, there's more. Working on it now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Someone really needed to get on top of it, and well done for doing so. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

==Reuben Foundation==
Just stumbled across [[Reuben Foundation]]. Looks like the same COI editor may have added problematic material. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, that'll be next. What a mess! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thanks! [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

[[File:Cute grey kitten.jpg|left|150px]]
thanks for creating 'geometry of fear', well organized and very informative page.

[[User:Allthingsgo|LairdUnlimited]] ([[User talk:Allthingsgo|talk]]) 19:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:Thank you, {{u|Allthingsgo}}, I'm pleased to hear that someone has read it – almost all those people are so very thoroughly forgotten! I started that short page when I was writing about [[Robert Clatworthy (sculptor)|Robert Clatworthy]] and found we had nothing on them. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

== Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. ==
[[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]]
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The discussion is about the topic [[American Pekin Duck]].
Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Seems that EditSafe filed a request for volunteer interference. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

We have a second round of statements at [[WP:DRN#Talk:American Pekin_Duck#Previous_and_current_revisions]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 17:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Look familiar? ==

Newly registered account via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Klein49 Klein49]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 07:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:And another one registered yesterday via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Eco2346 Eco2346]. Here on English WP, they just tried to re-create [[Bob Marchese]] (the actor who portrayed [[Carlo Biotti]] in ''[[Piazza Fontana: The Italian Conspiracy]]'') and as you saw, also added nonsense to [[Lierna Castle]]. The edit patterns of both accounts both here and cross-wiki speak for themselves. Do you think it's worth filing an SPI? Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::First thing, big kudos for your patience and tenacity in keeping on top (?) of this – thank you, {{u|Voceditenore}}! I don't know whether there's any value in a local SPI for what is mostly a global problem, affecting many Wikipedias where admins may perhaps be fewer and less experienced than here. A few Smithson socks ago I asked {{u|M7}} to globally lock a couple of them, which he/she did (thank you!). When I asked if we could also globally nuke the sock edits, the reply was "ask an active sysop on meta" – which I didn't, probably a mistake.

::I see that {{u|Vituzzu}}, who is an active admin on it.wp, is also a check-user on meta, which may be just what we need – so pinging in the hope he may be able/willing to advise whether anything can or should be done, and if so what and how (Vituzzu, if you see this, we can provide any amount of background if needed, just ask!). What would be still better would be to know what might be done to keep it under control in the future. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

:::I don't know if I'm on top of this, but I must say this whack-a-mole game is becoming extremely tedious. He had gone almost a year here w/out creating registered sock accounts and now two in as many days. Anyhow, an adminsistrator on it.wp, [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]], successfully requested a global lock on the latest one above [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eco2346 Eco2346]. I've now applied [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global#Global_lock_for_Klein49 here] on Meta for a global lock on Klein49. We'll see what happens. I'm not sure if this account has to be blocked on en.wp first. Anyhow, if he tries any more of these, I'm strongly tempted to create an [[WP:LTA|LTA]] page for Smithson. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, I blocked Klein49: no mercy, sorry, waiting for glock ;) I agree with both of you: the game is tedious and the guy is becoming more and more dangerous above all for minor wikis, avoiding the bigger ones, too much guarded. I dont'know if [[WP:LTA|LTA]] will do, but good luck. I guess: impossible a ''big-global-universal-end-of-the-world-filter'' for the word "Natoli" :D ? It might help. Ciao! [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 08:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hi [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]]. Thanks so much for the block on it.wp. That should make the global lock easier. You're right, he's especially a danger to the smaller Wikis. He's creating havoc on simple.wp. [[WP:LTA|LTA]] isn't a sanction as such but it is very useful in preserving [[institutional memory]] and helping others spot future abuse. At the moment, it's only me and Justlettersandnumbers on en.wp who are keeping him on watch and know his patterns. {{{{SIGH}}}}. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Actually, VdT, I've noticed {{u|AttoRenato}} keeping a watch on some en.wp pages too (thank you!). I've no idea how to do an LTA page, but I'm happy to contribute. What I really want to know is where to go to ask for and discuss a global solution. We asked the Foundation for better tools to deal with long-term abuse; this seems to be just the sort of thing we need them for. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::You mean something like the ability to globally nuke the edits of globally locked accounts? I guess one problem is that it wouldn't work with IPs, and most of his damage now is done via IPs, which shift constantly. There's potential for a lot of collateral damage. Or perhaps the idea of global edit filters for words like "Natoli", "Biotti", "Polli", "Sperlinga" etc.? The problem with that is that there would have to be some way from exempting extended auto-confirmed users and it wouldn't stop him from adding nonsense to exisiting articles as long as the additions didn't include those words. I guess you could start by raising the issue at [[:meta:Wikimedia Forum]] or perhaps contact [[User:Mdennis (WMF)]] for suggestions on who best to approach. Re an LTA page, I've done one before. I'll see about cooking one up and post it if the nonsense continues. (It's bound to!) I'm also going to warn simple.wp and [[Wikidata]]. He's made numerous edits to Wikidata. Lord knows what "facts" he has added to that dubious "knowledge base", many of which can get automatically incorporated into infoboxes or even generate articles on some wikis. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 12:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! :) So, improving blocking tools in a way that is less wack-a-mole and more intelligent is in the works, but isn't going to be an instant change. The work is being done as part of a grant from the Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund meant to help combat harassment and trolling, but with collateral benefits (see [[Meta:Community health initiative]]). Our blocking tools are dinosaurs, easily circumvented. Our Product team is working to change that. In terms of global edit filters or global rollback, those would likely be best raised at the Community Wishlist survey if you're looking for WMF assistance. Otherwise, a discussion at the forum or even starting with the [[WP:VPT]] might be the way to start, prior to filing a Phabricator ticket. --[[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie Dennis (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Mdennis (WMF)|talk]]) 13:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks [[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie]] [[File:SMirC-smile.svg|25 px]]. [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 19:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/YACUT89a7 He's back...], check please. Bye. --[[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 03:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

== Up your alley ==

Non-English speaker with good intentions, and probably knowledge, but what a mess. [[Karachay horse]]. You are better at untangling this sort of mess than I am, good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, Montana! Actually you mentioned this before ([[#Help|Help, dated 13 November 2016]]). I still feel the same – it could do with some tidying up, but it's better than most of our breed articles. Some of the references should probably be checked, but I don't speak Russian and I most definitely don't know any [[Karachay-Balkar]]. Why not list it in the clean-up section of [[Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English]] in the hope of attracting someone who does? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

==[[Capel Manor House]]==

Quick query - don't understand why we'd want to revert to the old (1976) West Kent and The Weald Pevsner, when we've got the new one (2012) available. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|KJP1}}! I had two reasons for doing that: (a) I could see it on Google books, but had no preview for the more recent one (do you?), and there may be more there that can be made use of; and (b) Pevsner himself is listed as an author of that edition (published before he died) – I linked directly to our page on him for that reason. But I don't feel particularly strongly about it, I was really more interested in removing the sock-puppet edits. Do you want to change it back? Or cite both? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::In my great good fortune, I've got the entire Pevsner, old and new. I do think there's a bit more we can take from the new, so I'll have a look and, if I can, I'll cite the new. As you say, the 1976 version was also by Newman and Pevsner - Newman started as one of Pevsner's many drivers. Agree entirely re. the sock puppet edits - I strongly suspect the whole original article was "lifted" from somewhere. All the best. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 19:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That sounds excellent, thank you! Yes, I cleaned up five articles with large contributions from {{noping|Gyles82}}, who was indeffed for copyright violations; in three of them I found blatant copy-pasting, in two I did not, and so removed the text on presumption only; but, like you, I'm quite convinced it was plagiarised. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Wendell M. Levi: The Pigeon ==

Do you have access to The Pigeon by Wendell M. Levi? There shall be a preface mentioning Karl Stauber (Swiss photographer, author, ... ) I would like to read... (don't know the year)

I am preparing to write articles about Karl Stauber, Dr. Werner Lüthgen and Wilfried Detering (in German). Lüthgen and Detering just died this February (both are recipients of the "[[Bundesverdienstkreuz]] am Bande"; [[:de:Liste von Trägern des Bundesverdienstkreuzes#Verdienstkreuz am Bande]] (not included)). Karl Stauber had his 90th birthday. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 08:50, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|PigeonIP}}! I don't have any access to that book beyond what Google gives me, which is [https://books.google.it/books?id=wgpBAAAAYAAJ&dq=editions%3A2MU_TaR0CWgC&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22karl+stauber%22 snippet view of the 1957 edition]. Stauber is mentioned more than 40 times – I assume he supplied some of the illustrations? I look forward to reading about him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:40, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
::I am just able to get "matching items" in the 57th edition via hathitrust (but no snippets)
::82 photographs of Stauber are mentioned...
::rereading the article: "persönliche Widmung" is a book with personal dedication Stauber got from Levi... – no preface :(
::btw.: thanks for using the notification-tool. This way I get the pings (sometimes) in timeand in other projects (de-wp, wm-co) to be able to answer ;) --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 12:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== "how did this end up here??? (sorry!)" ==

Well, I can explain, though you've probably figured it out for yourself by now. If you're still curious, all is explained [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Article_title|here]]. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 15:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, worked it out, {{u|Maproom}}. What I don't know is whether you should/could have changed "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Maproom|ns=118}}</nowiki>" to read "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Galical|ns=118}}</nowiki>". That would I think have averted the strange behaviour. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

== Quin Abbey ==

Hi: Looking at the text now, you are correct that I should have taken greater care to paraphrase the content more. Although the Clare County Library is clearly named as the source, this was in many places way too close to the original.

It might have been preferable to just rephrase/condense the offending parts. However, I realize that a quick correction was needed.[[User:Drow69|Drow69]] ([[User talk:Drow69|talk]]) 15:53, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Drow69}}! And yes, in an ideal world where we had dozens of editors working on copyright clean-up and each had the luxury of unlimited time to deal with each suspected problem, it would certainly be more friendly and better for the individual article to rewrite all infringing content. I do actually try to do that to some small extent. The hitch is that, in general, an editor who adds one copyright violation very often also adds another, and establishing with reasonable certainty whether that has or has not happened can be '''very''' time-consuming. So I'm afraid I usually just revert to before the first identified "bad" edit unless there's a clearly-defined block of offending text that can be neatly excised. It's not ideal, I know. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Rodeo bulls ==

JLAN, I've been helping the editor who is working on the rodeo bull riding articles — I think all that is really needed is a talkpage heads up and ask her to fix stuff, perhaps with a link to the copyvio results you are relying upon so she can see the trouble areas; this is a fairly new user who learns quickly and has a lot of good faith. She’s been real good about taking advice when I’ve offered itWe have a teachable person and I don’t want to lose her as an editor because she has a good combination of energy and interest that we need more of around here. Try not to bite too hard, OK? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
:Late reply, sorry! Yes, saw some of the kerfuffle on your talk-page. It's [[WP:IAR|kind of just OK]] to remove the copyvio template from a page once you're quite sure there's no remaining problem, but do please make double-sure that you really have got it all – you'd missed several bits at [[Challenge of the Champions]], as you saw. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Sensory processing disorder]] ==

Hey, can anything be done about the copyvio situation on the article? It's been tagged for a month now and gets 1,000 views daily (was also in the news recently because a woman's son who was patted down by the TSA had this). [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 15:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Opencooper}}, sorry I didn't answer this sooner. I've now looked in more detail at the article history, and it's not good news: it needs to be rewritten. I've posted an explanation on the talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
::Hey, no biggie, thanks for looking into it. That's unfortunate. As I don't feel comfortable editing a medical article myself either, I've posted [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Article_rewrite_needed|a plea]] at WikiProject Medicine. [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 05:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

==Translationese==
Hi, thanks for your comments a few weeks ago at the Village Pump. Unfortunately I had to put down Wikipedia for a few weeks there and I didn't get to push the discussion further. I myself don't know how to create a template, but I'll try to use the templates you suggested if I encounter this again. I do agree with Thnidu though that an in-line template would be best. FYI, the link to the Village Pump discussion is [[WP:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_137#New_template_needed|here]]. - [[User:Wwallacee|Wwallacee]] ([[User talk:Wwallacee|talk]]) 09:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== Hieroglyphs ==

The comments on the CP listing gave me the impression that the idea of having the list was the copyright infringement (as opposed to the issue being the copying of text), and the AFD seemed to conclude that no, having the list was fine. If you think I misunderstood something, please feel free to put the item back at CP. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
:I think you've got the right idea – that the copying of an ordered list by an author whose work is still in copyright could well be unacceptable. I didn't see that the AfD discussion had really gone into that. I've been ducking this because it's well outside my comfort zone. I suppose I'll start a talk-page discussion … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology]] ==

That article always drives me nuts - lots of fluff, grandstanding/POV/best thing since sliced bread statements. I keep an eye on it mainly for outright-vandalism but every time I read some of it I think "DAYum this thing needs a complete overhaul". Your recent changes have been a big improvement, so thank you. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
:Well, thanks, {{u|Shearonink}} – but really I only chipped a little at the tip of the iceberg. There's a '''lot''' more to be done there, I think. I thought I'd wait to see if those initial changes would stick before I did too much more. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
::Btw, you've inspired me so I've decide to chip away at the Alumni section - WP:BLP concerns etc. My criteria atm is that if the person's WP-article even just ''mentions'' that the person attended TJHSST then their name stays. Then I'll go back through and add references for those folks. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:20, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

== Chinese academy of sciences ==

Hello, you have [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/773262083 removed] all edits I added in this change [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/766032952]

I saw you later removed inline weblinks too, but the information I added is merely an expansion to what is there already.

I would appreciate it if you could add it back yourself. Thanks!

[[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC) [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Pieceofmetalwork}}, those institutions were – like almost everything in that page – without any [[WP:reference|reference]]. Please feel free to add them back yourself with appropriate [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
::Because you removed the references... A link to a website on a domain owned by the academy of sciences is a proof of its existence. Having inline links is bad practice, right, but then you can't remove the links, then claim that there is no source, because those were the references. [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 21:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Zwirner gallery page ==

Hi there,

I've been trying to fix the page for DavidZwirner gallery, because it's massive out of date and thin. Here are my suggested edits, which are purely factural and fully referenced. Could you let me know why it all keeps being deleted?
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The David Zwirner Gallery is an American contemporary art gallery owned by David Zwirner. It has two gallery spaces in New York City and one in London, and has plans to open in Hong Kong in 2018.[1]
History
1990s
In 1993, David Zwirner (b. 1964, Cologne, Germany) opened his first eponymous gallery on Greene Street in the SoHo neighborhood of New York City.[2]
In its first year, the reception of its exhibition by the young Los Angeles-based artist Jason Rhoades, along with a gallery expansion in 1994, contributed to the gallery’s early recognition.[3] In 1994, David Zwirner presented the U.S. debut exhibition of Belgian painter Luc Tuymans.[4]
The roster of artists during this decade also included Raoul De Keyser, Stan Douglas, Marcel Dzama, On Kawara, Toba Khedoori, The Estate of Gordon Matta-Clark, John McCracken, Raymond Pettibon, Yutaka Sone, Diana Thater, Franz West, and Christopher Williams.
2000s
In 2002, Zwirner moved his gallery from SoHo to Chelsea (525 West 19th Street). In 2006, the gallery then expanded from 10,000 to 30,000 square feet (2,800 m2) by adding spaces at 519 and 533 West 19th Street.
Artists who joined the gallery during this decade included Tomma Abts, Francis Alÿs, Mamma Andersson, Michaël Borremans, R. Crumb, Philip-Lorca diCorcia, Marlene Dumas, Suzan Frecon, Isa Genzken, Jockum Nordström, Chris Ofili, Michael Riedel, Thomas Ruff, James Welling, Lisa Yuskavage, and the Leipzig painter Neo Rauch, who had his U.S. debut exhibition at the gallery in 2000.
The gallery also announced the representation of a number of estates, including those of Dan Flavin, Alice Neel, Fred Sandback, and Al Taylor.
From 2000 to 2009, David Zwirner also was a partner with Iwan Wirth in Zwirner & Wirth, a gallery on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, which focused on private sales and historically researched exhibitions.
Following the move of David Zwirner’s part of the business to Chelsea, highlights have included Dan Flavin: Series and Progressions (2009), a major survey of the artist’s work in fluorescent light, and Primary Atmospheres: Works from California 1960-1970,[5] a critically acclaimed survey of West Coast Minimalism which is often credited with contributing to the transformation of the market for many of the “Light and Space” artists.
2010 to present
In 2012, David Zwirner expanded into Europe.[6] The gallery opened in an eighteenth-century Georgian townhouse on Grafton Street in London’s Mayfair district with a solo exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans.[7] After a renovation overseen by architect Annabelle Selldorf of Selldorf Architects, the building has almost 10,000 square feet (930 m2) throughout five floors, with main exhibition spaces on three levels.[8]
The gallery announced its exclusive representation of Judd Foundation in 2010, and the Estate of Ad Reinhardt in 2013. Other artists who joined the gallery included Carol Bove (2011); Doug Wheeler (2012); Jeff Koons, Yayoi Kusama, Oscar Murillo, and Jordan Wolfson (2013); Karla Black, Bridget Riley, Richard Serra, Wolfgang Tillmans, and Kerry James Marshall (2014); Blinky Palermo and Jan Schoonhoven (2015). The gallery announced its exclusive representation of William Eggleston in 2016, and of the Estate of Ruth Asawa in 2017.[9] As of 2017, the Estate of Felix Gonzalez-Torres is co-represented by David Zwirner and Andrea Rosen Gallery.[10]
Further expansion continued in 2013 with the opening of a new five-story 30,000 square foot (2,800 m2) building in New York’s Chelsea neighborhood (537 West 20th Street).[11] Also designed by Selldorf, it became the first commercial art gallery to receive LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) certification.[12] The building was featured on the cover of Architectural Record[13] magazine and featured in Architect magazine.[14] The inaugural exhibition was a presentation of significant large-scale works by Dan Flavin and Donald Judd.[15]
David Zwirner Books was founded in 2014 as the stand-alone publishing house of David Zwirner. The imprint publishes catalogues, monographs, historical surveys, artist books, and catalogue raisonnés related to the gallery’s exhibition program.[16] Zwirner's son Lucas is Editorial Director at David Zwirner Books.[17]
In early 2018, David Zwirner will open a new location in Hong Kong. With interiors by Annabelle Selldorf, the gallery will incorporate close to 10,000 square feet of exhibition space on two floors of H Queen's, a new building in the city's Central district designed by William Lim.[18]
Artists:
Tomma Abts
Anni Albers
Josef Albers
Francis Alÿs
Mamma Andersson
Ruth Asawa
Karla Black
Michaël Borremans
Carol Bove
R. Crumb
Raoul De Keyser
Philip-Lorca diCorcia
Stan Douglas
Marlene Dumas
Marcel Dzama
William Eggleston
Dan Flavin
Suzan Frecon
Isa Genzken
Felix Gonzalez-Torres
Donald Judd
On Kawara
Toba Khedoori
Jeff Koons
Yayoi Kusama
Sherrie Levine
Kerry James Marshall
Gordon Matta-Clark
John McCracken
Giorgio Morandi
Oscar Murillo
Alice Neel
Jockum Nordström
Chris Ofili
Palermo
Raymond Pettibon
Sigmar Polke
Neo Rauch
Ad Reinhardt
Jason Rhoades
Michael Riedel
Bridget Riley
Thomas Ruff
Fred Sandback
Jan Schoonhoven
Richard Serra
Yutaka Sone
Al Taylor
Diana Thater
Wolfgang Tillmans
Luc Tuymans
James Welling
Doug Wheeler
Christopher Williams
Jordan Wolfson
Yun Hyong-keun
Lisa Yuskavage

References
1.
• Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner's Art Empire". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "The Rhoades Less Traveled - Previews - Art in America". www.artinamericamagazine.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Villarreal, Ignacio. "Exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans inaugurate David Zwirner's new space in London". artdaily.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Viveros-Faune, Christian (2010-01-26). "David Zwirner's 'Primary Atmospheres' Is California Sweet". Village Voice. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Magazine, Wallpaper* (2012-10-05). "A trio of US galleries opens in London before Frieze Art Fair | Art | Wallpaper* Magazine". Wallpaper*. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "'We wanted something that screamed Europe'". Financial Times. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Represents the Estate of Ruth Asawa | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-01-09. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "Andrea Rosen Will Close Her Gallery After 27 Years | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-02-22. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Gallery | Open Green Map". www.opengreenmap.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Architect. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • USA, AICA. "AICA-USA | NEWS & EVENTS | Review: Dan Flavin and Donald Judd at David Zwirner Gallery". www.aicausa.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Will Open David Zwirner Books in Chelsea This Fall | ARTnews". www.artnews.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • http://theartnewspaper.com/news/in-the-frame/zwirner-prodigy-turns-to-in-house-publishing/. Missing or empty |title= (help)
18. • Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
Categories:
• 1993 establishments in New York
• Culture of New York City
• Art galleries in Manhattan
• Art galleries established in 1993
• Art galleries in London
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Many thanks [[User:1-ona|1-ona]] ([[User talk:1-ona|talk]]) 14:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|1-ona}}! I've been trying to fix it too – it was a long way from what we regard as suitable content for an encyclopaedia. The best place to talk about this is the talk-page of the article, [[Talk:David Zwirner Gallery]]. Do you have some connection to the gallery, by the way? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Changes in "[[American Pekin]]" ==

Hello again. The article is reverted back to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Pekin&oldid=775346995 your version]. You may improve it right now; I told the other editor to refrain from editing it for a long while. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 13:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|George Ho}}, I'll try to get to it soon. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

==Stig Harder & Fashion Net==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I apologize for the mixup.

Could you help get the articles back for FASHION NET at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_Net and my own at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Harder? I read the reason was there weren't enough references online to establish notability.

Here are several references from print publications back when the Internet was in its infancy:
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stigharder.com/media/harpers-bazaar-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/henne-2002.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/elle-japan-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/guardian-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/le-monde-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/net-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/netuser-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/new-york-times-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/paper-magazine.jpg stigharder.com/media/planete-internet-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/time-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/usa-today-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/wired-1996.jpg

My executive membership at the IADAS (click on letter H): https://www.iadas.net/membership/

Thank you so much.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 07:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I found the archived page for Cooper Hewitt's "Mixing Messages" exhibition in 1996-1997 where Lumiere was included:

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/19970215142503/http://mixingmessages.si.edu:80/mm/dialogue/comm5.jhtml;MSkKN8ldt0c3R4wNNhG9EntHIMA793ySd5zF1QNZss8m0lA

I see the article itself is missing from the archive, but my staff back then did a screenshot: stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg
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Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 20:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Stigharder}}, I'm afraid you really are asking the wrong person. I've spent several hours of my life, over a period of several years, trying to clean up inappropriate promotional edits made by you or [[WP:SOCK|people connected with you]], and I have absolutely no interest in seeing any of the articles restored.

That said, it looks to me as if you '''might perhaps''' have enough sources there to justify requesting a [[WP:deletion review]] with the reason "[[WP:DRVPURPOSE|significant new information has come to light since ... deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page]]", so that's an option you could consider. I think you should expect some fairly vigorous opposition if you do decide to give it a try. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Justlettersandnumbers.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 19:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Editors Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I pottered over to [[Francesco Clemente]] this afternoon intending to fix some of the content issues I knew were there... lo and behold, you'd already done a sterling job of fixing the problems with the article. Thanks for your hard work! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|雲]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]] 11:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Yunshui}}, much appreciated! That's a work-in-progress, though, still far from complete. I hope to get back to it soon, if you don't get to it first. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Laws of London]] ==

Hello, another editor has (or rather, had) tagged the page as g8, the notice giving the criteria 'redirect to non-existent page' or 'to itself' etc. I have removed it, as your redirect to the appropriate section seems valid to me. Regards, [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 15:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:I saw, {{u|Eagleash}}, thank you for that. I've added a {{tl|R with possibilities}} tag to it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
::OK good. I wasn't sure whether you might have w/listed it... [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 16:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

== Paid Editor radar? ==

How good is your undisclosed paid editor radar? I saw your post at the noticeboards trying to deal with one... I've just done an unusual thing for me and nominated a couple articles for AfD... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephanie_Fryar_(2nd_nomination)], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brian_Bain], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jared_Keylon]. Anyway, noticed the same person created each. I did a bit of digging and this user is [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/?user=RonSigPi&project=en.wikipedia.org&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects prolific] in article creation, but quality... ? Anyway, I don't know if he's over-eager or an undisclosed paid editor, plus you know I can get bitey when I get on the track of some sort of problem, so thought I'd ask you if either 1) You want to sniff about with your nose for problems (radar, perhaps?) or 2) If this is outside your balliwick, perhaps you can point me to the guru(s) of sniffing out paid editors. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
:If I have any radar at all, I'd say it's somewhere between poor and pathetic. There are some very switched-on people at WP:COIN, with real perception and investigation and research skills, so that's where I'd usually take suspicions of this sort. Even so, I'm pretty certain that it isn't the problem here, which appears to be just the common Wikipedia disease of creating yet more stubs about completely non-notable sportspeople because they've once kicked or struck a ball or whatever for money. Which reminds me, there's a discussion of that guideline underway somewhere … [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, there is a link to the discussion from [[WT:WikiProject Horse racing]]. I'm ambivalent, I agree about the kicked a ball thing, but I had quite a debate once over a jockey who won the Grand National back in the 1800s, when the facade of "amateur gentlemen" was maintained... won that round, but saw a need for guidelines. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]

{{od}}Totally different issue: [[Yanardag]]. Not sure what to do with this; clean up or AfD. Thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:34, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{tps}} If the horse is on both a postage stamp (currently pictured) and the [[Coat of arms of Turkmenistan]], it obviously meets Wikipedia notability requirements. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 07:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yep, agree with {{u|Softlavender}} – he's surely notable. [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/turkmenistan/1460852/A-peep-into-the-strange-world-of-Turkmenbashi-whose-every-word-is-law.html Here's a mention] in the ''Daily Telegraph'', for example. And yes, it certainly needs some work, which I'm not planning to put in (I had a go at [[Chetak]], though). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Heh, my situation too. Maybe I'll just post at WPEQ talk and see if anyone bites. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

:{{tps}} [[User:Montanabw]] I think I have a fairly good nose for spotting UPE but I don't see anything that raises my suspicions with this editor. Everything appears to be sourced and verifies from the cited sources and the content is not promotional. As to whether they are notable... [[WP:NSPORT]] isn't my expertise. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 09:02, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::Montana, this {{up-arrow}} is one of the switched-on editors I was referring to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

==Take up a fair old chunk of your page, I'm afraid ;)==
(About half of Astley's ''Art of Riding'', 1584, removed to reduce page size)

Best of luck! — [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|'''O Fortuna''']][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis''''']] 16:09, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== 10:24:13, 7 May 2017 review of submission by 5.80.9.116 ==
{{Lafc|username=5.80.9.116|ts=10:24:13, 7 May 2017|declined=Draft:Good_Bad_Poems}}

Dear Just etc..,

Many thanks for the advice. I am not able to develop my article on Good Bad Poetry after the fashion that you suggest, and I have concluded that it is best if I abandon it.

Thank you again for the trouble you have taken to help me.

Lewis Jones.

Just, Thank you for taking the time to explain. I did new edit, putting references in parenthesis, as I couldn't figure it out how to use a template (I did spend a lot of time trying to learn - but I understand that what it is important is the I provide a reliable source. Some editors have been using Yad Vashem website, whom I was told by an editor at Wikipedia is partisan. I am using references from books mentioned in your list.

I care about integrity and neutrality on history of the Holocaust, which, sometimes is very politicized. [[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 00:31, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Courtesy notice ==

This is a courtesy notice to let you know I have posted at ANI to get further input on the [[:Balfour Declaration]] citation question. [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Balfour Declaration]]. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== LDR ==

Hey Justlettersandnumbers there seems to be a list defined reference error with ref name r|jsc in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacob_sheep&diff=779609025&oldid=779593337 this] edit. I can't look any further because the page is locked. Regards [[User:CV9933|CV9933]] ([[User talk:CV9933|talk]]) 11:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|CV9933}}! – my mistake, as so often. I've asked for it to be fixed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

==Louise Blouin==
Dear [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]], i noticed you just undid my edits on [[Louise Blouin]] Wiki article without a proper explanation why that information should not be there on [[Louise Blouin]] Wikipedia page. You explain one resource is not reliable, What about others? I also checked your history on this page. Most of the time you demotivate new users to contribute on Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 12:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
:The ''[[Daily Mail|Daily Fail]]'' is not a reliable source. If you look at the edit I made after that, you'll see that I did add back the ''Observer'' reference, with a little actual information from it. The tone of the actual text you added was not appropriate to an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if your edit is undone, please don't just make the same edit again, but instead start a discussion on the talk-page (if you wish). Your accusation of demotivation of new users is a serious one; if it has basis, you should certainly take it to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
::OK, Let the others decide. You are disrupting me to improving the article. To resolve the issue I am inviting {{ping|Montanabw}}, {{ping|Barek}}, {{ping|BOZ}}, {{ping|CactusWriter}}, {{ping|Canley}}, {{ping|DaGizza}}, {{ping|David Levy}}, {{ping|Daniel Case}}, {{ping|Deor}} and {{ping|Ealdgyth}}. In the meanwhile i undone your edits and mke it correct as you suggest by adding more references. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 10:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I have no idea why I was pinged on this, but here is my opinion as just another editor. As stated by Justlettersandnumbers, ''The Daily Mail'' is not a reliable source. And, IMO, neither was the small tabloid newspaper ''New York Observer''. Nor are self-submitted bios in the UN book or the Huffington Post. If the only information to be included is that Blouin was the CEO of Trader Classified Media than a single [[Bloomberg News]] [https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=511904&capId=22815753] citation should be sufficient. I note that "she led over 7,000 employees worldwide" is not mentioned in any source. — [[User:CactusWriter|CactusWriter ]][[User talk:CactusWriter|(talk)]] 00:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::: No clue why I was pinged either - but I don't do BLPs if I can avoid it, so someone else is a better judge. Nor am I Brit, so I really can't judge the Daily Mail. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:24, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Guys, it's a total mystery to me – the IP has added the same poor content 5 times now, I've just no idea why, nor how the pings were chosen. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Holocaust ... ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Henia_Perlman&diff=prev&oldid=780540472 Re: this edit], I'd change the system to the one I use for most of my articles if I thought I could get away with it. I find the system on [[Middle Ages]] much much much easier to deal with, but I swear that some folks on Wikipedia think that if it has a template, it HAS to be better. Don't ever even try to figure out [[WP:List defined references]], it'll explode your head. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diligence'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for the help with the copyright violations on [[The Holocaust]], it's very much appreciated. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Ealdgyth}} – we got it done despite some hiccoughs, probably mostly thanks to your rather convincing examples on the talk-page. As for the reference format thing, I had to laugh – far from popping my head, LDR is to me the neatest and most straightforward system of all, my invariable choice when there is choice. Examples at ''[[Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni]]'' or [[Johannes Engel]], if your head can take the pressure. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Don Reitz ==
Can you please list your particular content concerns about this article on the talkpage so I may address them? I would like to address your concerns.  —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 03:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{re|Justlettersandnumbers}} I have moved this article to draft and resubmitted it to AfC. I implore you, beg you to name your concerns on the draft talkpage so I may fix them before the article is approved again as I am certain it will be. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 09:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

==Hand of God Article==

Hi, so I'm curious what information I posted that was copywrited? I can't see it on the History and I don't recall the specific edit. I'd like to know so I could avoid problems in the future. [[User:jlcoving|'''jlcoving''']] ([[User talk:jlcoving|talk]]) 21:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|jlcoving}}, I'm afraid I can't give you an exact answer to this, as – like you – I can't see the two edits you made to [[Hand of God (TV series)]]. But as far as I remember, you had added a bit of plot summary identical to what was on one of the websites listed on the talk-page (the editor after you then added a lot more). I think you'll have to ask an admin if you want more precise detail. In general, the advice is that everything you write in Wikipedia must be entirely in your own words – it's almost never OK to borrow text from other places. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== Cirque du Soleil - Volta ==
Hi Justlettersnadnumbers, I created the page for this Cirque du Soleil show, and it was rejected and deleted due to "copyright violations"... Could you further explain exactly what was the violation? I'm new and I don't know exactly what I did wrong. I used confirmed sources for all the material, and spent hours creating a page that was all of a sudden wiped; the show has now premiered and we have no page for it. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 18:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Estebanpirazo}}! I'm afraid I missed this message earlier, as it was at the top of this page instead of at the bottom. [[:Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]] was redirected and its history hidden because it contained material copied from elsewhere on the internet – we don't allow text copied from non-free sources here. There's a message about this on your talk-page, with the header [[User talk:Estebanpirazo#Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)|Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]]. There's no objection to you restarting the page provided you are sure there's enough in-depth coverage of it in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] – just go to the page, hit edit, remove all the text that's there and start writing. If you have questions, the [[WP:Teahouse|Teahouse]] is a good place to ask them, or you can ask here. Good luck! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

::Hi, {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}, I contacted Cirque du Soleil directly regarding your comment about the material found on their webpage being copyrighted, and their answer is that the material on those pages is part of their press releases, and free to use if needed. I actually explained them what I used their information for, and they answered they have no problem with me using it in the creation of the Wikipedia page for the Cirque du Soleil show Volta. Please let me know how to proceed in this case, to reinstate the Wikipedia page I have created, and let me know if you need me to forward you the e-mail I received directly from them stating this material is free to use. The page I created also has several other references to independent material that are free to use for the creation of the Wikipedia page of this show. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 11:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

== May 2017 ==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] It appears that you have been '''[[WP:Canvassing|canvassing]]'''—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly notices|friendly notices]] are allowed, they should be '''limited''' and '''nonpartisan''' in distribution and should reflect a '''neutral''' point of view. Please do not post notices which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Excessive cross-posting|indiscriminately cross-posted]], which espouse a certain [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Campaigning|point of view]] or side of a debate, or which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Votestacking|selectively sent]] only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. 

== May 2017 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit that you made to [[:Bonin Bough]] has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed because it was a misuse of a [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|warning or blocking template]]. Please use the [[User talk:Sandbox for user warnings|user warnings sandbox]] for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|introduction page]] to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.

Actually, I have not reverted it. But [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABonin_Bough&type=revision&diff=780862569&oldid=779775374 this edit was inappropriate] for a COI that was properly declared: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=Janweh64&page=Bonin_Bough&server=enwiki&max= in the edit summary] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Janweh64&diff=prev&oldid=772229242 on my userpage]. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 00:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== {{tl|long dash}} ==

FYI {{u|Born2bgratis}} is now going around articles changing {{tl|long dash}} ({{long dash}}) to unicode 11835 (⸻) with predictable consequences. See for example [[Bede]] (which I've reverted), and the discussion on his [[User talk:Born2bgratis#Bede|talk page]]. Regards, [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 11:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Willie J. Hagan]] ==

See [[Talk:Willie J. Hagan]]. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 07:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your corrections of my edits. Please forgive me that I am not yet totally familiar with Wikipedia etiquette. But I am learning. I hope you'll find some time for edit requests I left on [[Talk:Jürgen_Schmidhuber]] and [[Talk:Felix_Gers]]. (BTW I can hardly believe the sheer number of your edits on so many different topics.) [[User:Slowfun|Slowfun]] ([[User talk:Slowfun|talk]]) 16:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
{{you've got mail|subject=meta email - newspapers.com|ts=23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)}}
--[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron11598]] [[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] 23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

{{ygm}}

== Deletion of Monoranjan Roy ==

I could not find reasons for deletion. It just says its advertising. I did make the article in neutral manner without intent to advertise. I need to understand it to avoid deletion in future, can you help me understand the reason and provide me with the copy of deleted article.
[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 06:02, 27 May 2017 (UTC)ritz082
:{{u|Ritz082}}, I nominated that page for deletion because it appeared to be intended only to give publicity to a person that you apparently have a close (and also, apparently, undeclared) connection to – it was you that took [[:File:Monoranjan Roy.jpg|this picture of him]], was it not, as you claim on that page? I invite you read [[WP:PROMOTION]] and [[WP:PAID]]. I can't provide you with a copy of the page, but you can ask the admin who deleted it, {{u|Cryptic}}. In case you are thinking of re-creating it, may I also suggest that you read about [[WP:notability|notability]] – it is very unlikely that that person meets our criteria for inclusion in this encyclopaedia. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for letting me know the reason. I did meet the person, but the idea was not promotion. I do feel that his name mention is required in wiki. I do want to re-create the article, and I have read [[WP:notability|notability]], but will do only when I am sure it is not going to be deleted / questioned again.[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 09:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==Thank you Justlettersandnumbers==
Thank you for the link.
I started to read them.
It's very challenging.[[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 06:06, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Giuseppe Pinelli]] ==
Giuseppe Pinelli wasn't killed (consequently, he wasn't victim of human rights abuses). Please, don't change the page. --[[Special:Contributions/151.65.128.21|151.65.128.21]] ([[User talk:151.65.128.21|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

== copywrite violation ==

kindly revert my talk page back to a time BEFORE you gave me a warning

the article you reverted is currently in the process of being edited, and it is being CHECKED for copywrite here constantly https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 and by ANOTHER ADMIN

you have now not only gotten in the way of this process but have warned me about copywrite for NO REASON

~ T. Spike ~|✉ 16:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Tony Spike}}, you can remove a warning from your talk-page if you want to. It might be an idea to take some notice of it first, though. As you can see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=784689283&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.referenceforbusiness.com%2Fhistory2%2F96%2FCaradon-plc.html%29 here], the text you added was unacceptably close to the source, and you've already been warned about this. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

::{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}yeah well i have already removed everything from my talk page and left a note their explaining what is happening ...i may have already been warned about it but it makes no difference to me weather i have been warned already or not since im still trying to sort the problem out

::besides the only reason this is happening in the first place is because the company names remain the same between the two articles, anyone who actually bothered to look at that fact before removing it would notice and i will challenge anyone that thinks otherwise

::now ....goodbye

::~ T. Spike ~|✉ 17:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Francesco Clemente ==

HI, You suggested changes to [[Francesco Clemente]] I replied to you on my talk page also. Please read. Please guide me what to do next, I spent a lot of time in fixing article and I read and researched a lot to fix this one and adding info. I was totally unaware of those two links as being flagged for copyright violation. Please guide me, should I remove those 2 and republish the changes? [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 15:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|HeatherMPinchbeck}}, I suggest you post on the talk-page of the article. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I made all the changes and even checked it thoroughly, please let me know should I publish it again? I made myself clear about any COI on my talk page again and again and if you don't want me to fix articles I'll not in the future, I told you that it was a random selection as I always try to fix articles with banners. So I spent a lot of time on this article and researched a lot, I don't want it wasted. Please, let me know, Thanks. [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 04:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

== Bonin Bough - Question ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I wanted to reach out as you've rejected the entry for Bonin Bough a few times now. I'm just curious as to what more is needed - as Bonin is one of the most awarded executives in marketing and one of the youngest C-level executives in the world (no puffery here :) And has been INDUCTED into the Advertising Hall of Fame. Just wondering how a person who used to be a doorman at a NY bar has a Wikipedia page, but Bonin is not considered notable enough? There is a ton more reliable press out there on Bonin so is it just a case of adding those? Please let me know.

Thanks!

Sofia
:Sofia, please see the reasons I left at [[Draft:Bonin Bough]] when I declined it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

== Undone edit for GNA University ==

Dear User, This content is written for GNA University, and the section you re deleting consists departments of GNA University which i think is an important information of university. Kindly take this into serious consideration.

[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna|talk]]) 09:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)Manik.sarna
:Thank you for declaring your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], {{u|Manik.sarna}}. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I am a freelance photographer and stay in same area where GNA University and Lovely professional university is located. So i am updating the information which i gathered about these institutes. These are very basic infos which donot even promote any of them. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 
:[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] - Sorry, but adding content to articles citing your personal knowledge, experience, or relationships with others constitutes [[WP:NOR|original research]], which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Content that's added to articles must either be ''attributable'' to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], or ''[[WP:CITE|directly attributed]]'' to a reliable source. I highly recommend that you review these policies and guidelines, as they're very important to understand and follow. If you have any questions regarding them, please let one of us know. Cheers -- [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 10:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Oshwah for explaining this. I would certainly edit the points mentioned by you. Can i put the names of Different Faculties/departments in the GNA University page? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:14, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]] ==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''claims significance, representing multiple notable authors indicates significance as well. Use [[WP:AFD]] instead.''' Thank you. '''[[User:SoWhy|So]][[User talk:SoWhy|Why]]''' 14:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:OK. It seems you and {{u|Bbb23}}, who [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Mark+Gottlieb+%28Literary+Agent%29&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= deleted it for the same reason last night], don't quite agree in the interpretation of that criterion. Oh, well, AfD it is. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::It would be a boring world if administrators agreed on everything.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks a bunch! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hey! Thanks a lot for explaining me on the references. It helps out a lot. Thanks again buddy! [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
|}
Side Note: I felt the second version of the barnstar (the one I gave) better than the first; however, if you like the first one, I would change it to the first. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:22, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|Adityavagarwal}}! As I said, if you have more questions, ask away (better there than here, but either is fine)! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

Hi! Thanks a bunch for your inputs on [[Mallard]]. {{p|:)}} Yep, Peking duck relates to the domestic duck (which is in fact a descendant of the mallard). Earlier, that section of food was not present, when in [[Talk:Mallard/GA1]], there were suggestions to add the food section with ''canard a l'orange'', etc. So, I added them. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 18:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

== Simon Philby ==

Hi there,

RE: [[Simon Philby]], there is no conflict of interest present. I am simply creating the wikipedia page on behalf of Mr Philby's team as a free copywrite.

I agree that my citations need to be improved, however this is my first full article so this has been a wikipedia learning curve.

However I ask that the COI tags be please removed.

regards,

[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)jacka1993[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest so very clearly, {{u|Jacka1993}} – obviously, if you are writing a page for him you have a COI. I had already seen what you wrote [[:File:Simon James Philby Photo 1.jpg|here]], "Personal image of Simon Philby, provided by Mr Philby himself for a biography wikipedia page that I am writing for him". So really the only remaining question is whether you are being paid for your work on this and pages such as [[Leslie Benzies]] ("{{diff|User talk:Rhain|prev|765249291|Hi there, I am contacting you on behalf of a client who is working on behalf of Leslie Benzies}}"). If so, please immediately make the necessary [[Wikipedia:paid-contribution disclosure|paid-contribution disclosure]]s. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive copy-editing of "Reeves's muntjac" page ==

I noticed you deleted a lot of valid data of "Reeves's muntjac" with your "copy-editing". Please wait while i revert your edit and re-do it properly.[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 06:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

finished for now[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 07:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the "disruptive", {{u|Trurle}}. My only {{diff|Reeves's muntjac|780142961|780058535|edit}} to [[Reeves's muntjac]] was to remove some poorly-referenced and ill-written content you had added (please read [[WP:BURDEN]]). I don't see that your recent additions are much better, but they certainly aren't the only problem that article has. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== Please see ANI ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Hello Justlettersandnumbers , I mentioned you at ANI. Section is [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Magioladitis_high_speed_editing]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|xaosflux]] [[User talk:Xaosflux|Talk]] 11:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive Erasing on "Margareta Boivin" page==

Just to clarify your job as an editor of Wikipedea is to help people edit their content for publishing, and not to delete content that has not been published yet. Please use your due-diligence by putting my content back promptly and making it available for me to further edit it.--[[User:Sebastienb06|Sebastienb06]] ([[User talk:Sebastienb06|talk]]) 04:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for the "disruptive", {{u|Sebastienb06}}, first one this month. Thank you also for your definition of my job here – I'd been wondering about that, labouring under the misapprehension that I was a volunteer.
:The content you'd added to [[Draft:Margareta Boivin]] was removed as a [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]] of [http://www.mboivin-art.com/?q=mb-biography her website]. You can read it there, but you may not copy it into Wikipedia. It is anyway entirely unsuitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if you have some personal or professional connection to Boivin, you have [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] (please follow the blue link to read about that). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== DAD-IS for USA ==

The DAD-IS list is absolute garbage for US horses and should not be used as a source for any American-based breed. [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=c2b8d2714d8f962a2a15612562a95626,reportsreport12_50000120_50000045 Breeds reported by United States of America: Horse]. I mean, seriously, it includes non-American-originating breeds like the Akhal-Teke, but not the Arabian; it includes something called the "Moroccan Spotted" that I've never heard of, (nor the "Kanata pony") and its attempts to document "American" breeds are absurd, there is no such thing as a "Wild" Mustang (as Mustangs are feral) and a [[broomtail]] is a low-quality horse, not a breed. A [[Cayuse]] is a bit more ambivalent, but if there is such a breed, it's actually a western Canadian landrace. So whoever compiled this particular list was an idiot. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 10:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that, and I'm happy to take your word for it. But the [[National Animal Germplasm Program]] of the [[Agricultural Research Service]] of the [[US Department of Agriculture]] is clearly a reliable source by our standards, so what it reports to [[DAD-IS]] is presumably the same. Where did I cite it, I can't recall? – I do mostly try to avoid doing so, out of deference to your views. On the other hand, Germany reports with extreme (actually, almost excessive) care; I don't understand why you've removed that reference from Gypsy Horse? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::OK, got it, it was [[American Drum Horse]]. The list must surely be reliable for a statement that this breed is not included in it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::The German link was tossed because all it was for was the statement that "Tinker Horse" is a breed name, when the same thing is repeated in the next sentence with breed association links. So, it's not a moral issue (other than the word being a racial slur) but it was duplicative. If you want to restore it, well, I find it annoying, but only a single mosquito-level of annoying. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Collapse|1=As for the DAD-IS on the Drum Horse article, stating the negative is irrelevant -- US government doesn't officially recognize or license breeds they way they do in Europe anyway. (This may not be a plus for the quality of our horses, but it's reality. All free enterprise here. ''Caveat emptor''.) Also remember that the USA also is not good about playing with the United Nations in general, so these UN programs are often ignored in the US with the minimal effort possible put forth. It is perhaps simpler in Europe, where people apparently have a lot more trust in governmental agencies and international organizations. Kudos to Germany. (heck, the Germans are rockstars -- [[Angela Merkel]] is becoming my new political hero these days too: [http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/08/angela_merkel_becomes_the_star_of_g20_with_epic_eye_roll_at_putin.html] ). ;-) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::But for the US DAD-IS list in general, you don't have to take my word for it, you know enough about breeding and genetics to see how bad the USA list at DAD-IS is for yourself. I have to rant, though. The 40-some breeds listed are not all of the breeds present in the USA and the list is pretty random, with no clear criterion for inclusion -- they aren't listed on account of being either rare or common (the QH and Morgan are very popular; the Cracker horse is rare), or for being American-developed (The AK and the Clydesdale are listed, the Standardbred is not) or anything else. I see some breed pages reference a 1993 FAO breed survey, who knows... it could go back to some list done up around in 1950. They also have some totally horse-ignorant WTF content, such as saying the Missouri Fox Trotter is "usually brownish-orange" ([http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009005 yes, they really did]) or do absurd things like listing the "Palomino" as a breed (see [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009009 here]) when it is genetically impossible to fix the color as a breed trait... Palomino is an incomplete dominant There is a Palomino color breed registry, but it admits all breeds based only on observed color, including at least one flaxen chestnut purebred Arab. (A good rant on that [http://tackytackoftheday.blogspot.com/2010/11/arabians-do-not-come-in-buckskin-or.html here]) The DAD-IS also lists Assateague and Chicoteague horses both, even though they live on the same island and are the same breed (a state line crosses the Island, that's the only difference, it's political not genetic). And I doubt it reflects a true genetic bank: I doubt they have germplasm from a "broomtail", because there is no such thing -- and the "Conestoga" (also questionable as to if a breed or a type) definitely was not extant into the era of DNA sampling. In short, the issues of rare breed preservation and conservation breeding are separate from the issues of developing new commercially-viable breeds and the government is not involved with either one. Thus, my conclusion that the DAD-IS list is next to useless for the USA other than, maybe, the info available nowhere else (say, if we do a Conestoga horse article). But review for yourself... have you ever heard of a "Moroccan Spotted"...? new one for me… |2=rather long rant|bg=#F0F0F0}}[[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that. [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#DAD-IS]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 06:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Mass Deletion in [[Aurochs]] ==
Sorry sir, I just edit some in [[Aurochs]] but I don't know that I suddenly delete so much characters and save. I'm so sorry sir for anything what I've done. [[User:Jaspergeli|Jaspergeli]] ([[User talk:Jaspergeli|talk]]) 02:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:We all make mistakes, {{u|Jaspergeli}}, but not all are as easy to fix as this one was. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== suspected of sock puppetry ==

very sorry for any of my mistake. password of my previous account was lost. so I have to register another account. my previous account is not in any use.I am not using another account. I hope you will understand my situation.please do me a favor to understand my problem. I request you to take back deletion request.I am new at Wikipedia facing many problems help me to be editor like you.sorry for my poor English — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|contribs]]) 14:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal}}, if by "my previous account" you mean {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}, it really doesn't matter whether you've lost the password or not, as you are indefinitely blocked for misuse of more than one account – misuse which it appears may be continuing. If that's not who you are, you can make your case at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kjp007]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Contributions to Janet Echelman ==

Hello, Justlettersandnumbers,
I am writing to you here to discuss your conflict of interest citing to multiple of my edits on Janet Echelman's page and her related pages. All information on the pages that I added is information that can be obtained by reading her website, press about her works, and related websites like unnumberedsparks.com. I am not a paid employee for Janet Echelman and am concerned by all of the reversion that has been done to my edits.
Thanks, [[User:Artisteditorial|Artisteditorial]] ([[User talk:Artisteditorial|talk]]) 15:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== Ping ==

Pinged you at Yanardag talk, but I had a typo and it didn't send. Ongoing discussion and more source content. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Unwarranted Deletions ==

Hello. I am one of the primary editors on the [[VCU School of the Arts]] page. I saw that you removed quite a bit of text from the article yesterday, but many of your edits seem ill-informed. You claim that the persons listed under "Alumni" have no sources to support their attendance at VCUarts. However, the Wikipedia entries for [[Diana al-Hadid]], [[Sam Beam]], [[Tara Donovan]], [[Teresita Fernández]], [[GWAR]], [[Jason Butler Harner]], [[Donwan Harrell]], [[Michael Hearst]], [[Sterling Hundley]], [[Zachary Knighton]], [[Philip B. Meggs]], [[Wiley Miller]], [[Steve Segal]], [[Carol Sutton (artist)|Carol Sutton]], [[Alice Tangerini]], [[Phil Trumbo]], and [[Mike Wieringo]] all mention Virginia Commonwealth University as their alma mater. In fact, the Sam Beam source that you explicitly claim bears "no mention of this school" ([[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2007/09/iron-wine.html Paste Magazine]]) in fact does so quite plainly. "With a BFA from Virginia Commonwealth..." begins the third paragraph; a Bachelor of Fine Arts is only obtainable as a studio arts student. Beam has also spoken in interviews about painting his own album covers, which I would be happy to cite as well.

I'm curious to know why you did not check the corresponding articles. If it was a matter of sourcing, the citations could have been borrowed from each person's respective article. Though many of these individuals' pages are poorly written, I don't suppose it is my duty to touch up every page linked across a single article. You also left a single link to [[List of Virginia Commonwealth University alumni]] lingering after you deleted the VCUarts list, despite ''its'' lack of sources.

Admittedly, checking back I've noticed that some of the individuals I included are alumni of the university and not the school specifically; I can remove their names from a future list. Nevertheless, practicing slash-and-burn across whole swaths of text contributes little to the improvement of an article. It would have been far more helpful for you to check the corresponding pages, verify the sources, and introduce them into the existing text. I have noticed on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VCU_School_of_the_Arts&action=history history page] that I am the only editor to make significant positive contributions to [[VCU School of the Arts]] since May. I understand that my editing career on the encyclopedia is far less illustrious than most, and I certainly am not asking for lenience or leeway, but collaboration would be welcome.

Furthermore, your assertion that "Wikipedia is built on independent reliable sources and cares little or nothing what people or bodies say about themselves" is just plain silly. Wikipedia editors regularly employ direct, primary, and reflexive sources to describe a copywritten entity, organization, business, or other collective or private body. The [[featured article]] [[Homer Simpson]] cites DVD commentary via the character's creator; the page for [[Harvard University]] cites Harvard's official website and fact sheets ''throughout''; [[Yale University|Yale]], [[University of Oxford|Oxford]], [[University of Virginia|UVA]], [[Museum of Modern Art|MoMA]], and [[Louvre]] all cite official websites and communications to support the same information that you claim is unsuitable for primary sources. Standards and guidelines without precedent is mere platitude.

I am writing this not as a reprimand or to instigate an argument. You are clearly an accomplished editor who feels strongly about this website and your role in making it the best that it can be. But I do mean to impress upon you that I would like to build this article into something more in-line with the standards of Wikipedia—and I cannot do that alone. Deletion without consideration of how the text could be improved only sets the entire page back. [[User:Doopliss77|Doopliss77]] ([[User talk:Doopliss77|talk]]) 18:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your recent edit ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pazzi_family&curid=215624&diff=791288392&oldid=791286589 This] is just rude. Please read [[WP:BITE]] and [[WP:CIVIL]].

Not only was it downright bad manners, you're also incorrect. Medieval is a legitimate spelling in many parts of the world and is widely accepted on Wikipedia. See our article [[Middle_Ages#Terminology_and_periodisation]]. Oh and [[WP:ENGVAR]]. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]] 09:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:Well, er, yes, exactly – [[WP:ENGVAR]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== [[Mayuto Correa]] ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. Thanks for keeping an eye on this. I presume you saw the utter dog's dinner the editor in question had made previously in expanding the discography. Took me nearly an hour to clean it up yesterday. Having said that, I restored his latest edits as they simply put the discography in chrono order, which is actually a help and the work added checks out. '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive242#Mayuto_Correa Here's]''' the rather messy background to this article and its COI editors, who may or may not be the same person. Grrrrrr. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 11:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:You've done all the work there, {{u|Voceditenore}}, so all thanks to you. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Mark T. Johnston ==

I wasn't sure how the system works at Wikipedia so I created my article after fixing an error in the James E. Avant article then by using the many existing articles with stubs I found at [[:Category:American horse racing biography stubs]] as a guideline. There are numerous of them that have less info/citations than mine. Here is a list of a few. Should I move these to a DRAFT page for editing improvement?

Thank you for your help.

[[James E. Avant]] 
[[Frank "Buddy" Abadie]] 
[[Whitey Abel]] 
[[Menotti Aristone]] 
[[Patricia Cooksey]] 
[[Bill Cubbedge]] 
[[Cam Gambolati]] 
[[Edwin J. Gregson]] 
[[George Martens (jockey)]] 
[[Robert H. Tourtelot]] 
[[Marion Van Berg]] 
[[Ian Wilkes]]

== Expand template reverts ==

Am getting a lot of "already reverted" warnings in trying to do "June 10" which I have checked out. Can you please use {{tl|Checking}} on whatever date you want to do, so we don't duplicate effort? Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:04, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

:I've abandoned June 10 for too many "already reverted" (but not every single one; are you jumping around in the list?) Anyway, I'll pick another date, you can complete [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Ettrig&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=2017-06-10&end=2017-06-10 June 10] at your leisure. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

== COIN ==

FYI: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Janet Echelman]] — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 00:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Case opened ==

You were recently listed as a party to or recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by August 6, 2017, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''Mini''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''apolis''''']] 17:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
The article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has failed [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Johannes Engel]] for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 02:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

== Heiner Thiel in collection of Scottdale's museum ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i emailed the museum and got the confirmation that they do have a work of Heiner Thiel in their collection. Quote: "We do have a sculpture by Heiner Thiel in our collection and I have attached a photo for you to see. It is “Untitled” and measures 36 inches high x 33 inches wide x 5 inches deep, and is made of aluminum. We do not have our collection available online yet, but are working on adding it to our website." - These info come from the Registrar of the museum. - Question: is this enough to verify the fact and could i add thus this to the site or is this still insuffient? Please let me know, what you think. Thanks. --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 19:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|Gyanda}}, Wikipedia is built on what is reported in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]]. Unlike in the academic world, where this kind of personal communication is common and is regarded as fully reliable, here if there isn't a reliable '''published''' source for the information we don't include it in our pages. So I think it's better to leave it out for now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your help. I rest my case. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 13:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your edits to Native Art Department International ==

First you move the article into a draft space telling me there aren't enough references even though barely 24 hours have passed and I'm [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:A21sauce years more experienced as an editor] than you. Then you get pissy when I simply revert your changes when I have more than enough references and decide you don't like the article anyway. Wikipedia is fun, but it's no place to use as a cudgel for your own cultural bias and inexperience. Both Maria Hupfield and Jason Lujan have shown extensively as artists--you can look that up yourself quite easily. Stop enacting the [[white supremacy]] that is ruining the world right now. thanks--[[User:A21sauce|A21sauce]] ([[User talk:A21sauce|talk]]) 02:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:A21sauce, you need to read or reread wikipedia's rules on [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] and [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]]. I've worked with JLAN for a number of years and collaborated on dozens of articles. This editor is experienced and has a passion for high quality (along with a sharp tongue and no sufferance for fools). I've had my disagreements with JLAN over the years over issues related to a European-based viewpoint, but your accusations of "inexperience" and "white supremacy" are completely uncalled for. It was rightly pointed out to you that the ''quality'' of your edits is the issue. As an experienced editor yourself, you should know better than to make such broad-based, ''ad hominem'' attacks. I've been a member of [[WP:IPNA]] for a number of years and I have not ever witnessed JLAN expressing bias against Native American people or any other ethnic group; if anything, this is an editor with a strong interest in other cultures. Now, please either find more sources to establish that the topic is notable and not merely a PR piece, or move the article to draft space or a user sandbox until it is ready for prime time. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|A21sauce}}, however experienced you believe you are, you created [[Native Art Department International|a poorly-referenced BLP article]] which did not adequately demonstrate the notability of the subject. I moved it to draft space so that you could develop it at your leisure, but you chose to undo that. Now the community [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Native Art Department International|will decide whether it should be kept]]. If the topic is notable you need only to add the sources which demonstrate that notability – as you could easily have done when you created the page. By the way, how is [[Akiko Nagashima]] notable? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:10, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::(AFD stalker..) I thought this was a good nomination. The 'organization' just isn't notable.[[Special:Contributions/104.163.142.4|104.163.142.4]] ([[User talk:104.163.142.4|talk]]) 08:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== A beer for you ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Mr.justlettersandnumbers, thanks for the observation, a friend of mine was responsible for searching and adding the links, he ended up just pointing to wikipedia for every other link after a few ones and ended up adding a slash('/') to an '.html' page, which was really our main source of reference. Thanks Again. [[User:Surge10|Surge10]] ([[User talk:Surge10|talk]]) 12:42, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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== [[Tawag ng Tanghalan (season 2)]] ==

Hey, please bring back my article. The season's semi finals just started today so 1 source can be found. I'm about to put the source when you delete the page. It's already there on the draft page and I've submitted it for review. Thanks. [[User:Leo kingston|Leo kingston]] ([[User talk:Leo kingston|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

== [[James D. Spaniolo]] ==

Many thanks. I'll work on it some more. - Kent [[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 14:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Added a number of references to this article to substantiate material presented and have submitted today. Thanks for your review. ([[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 15:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC))

== Kawina Surinamese music ==

Fair enough you moved it to draft - but the English language version of Wikipedia needed an ambiguous template for 'kawina'
What I wrote on Kawina is factually correct and I don't have time to put more energy in it. Your choice either you leave it for someone else to add info to or you just let it rot away in the draft space ;-) [[User:Rdeman|Rdeman]] ([[User talk:Rdeman|talk]]) 01:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
:Really it's your choice, {{u|Rdeman}} – in general it's [[WP:BURDEN|up to the person who adds the content]] to make sure it is supported by suitable reliable sources. Unfortunately we already have many, many thousands of poorly-referenced articles, and I for one don't want that number to increase. The genre seems to be just barely notable by our standards, so we should perhaps have an article on it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright violations ==

Hello talk:Justlettersandnumbers,

Are you still involved with copyright violations? If so, I stumbled upon [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|this article]]. It appears that there's some serious copyright violations, especially in the "The attack" section. What do you suggest we do from here? [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 08:29, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|EtienneDolet}}! I'm actually taking a bit of a break from [[WP:CP]] at the moment, but I looked at [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush]]. I'm not immediately seeing any problem; the attack paragraph started out like {{oldid|May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|420528332|this}} in 2011, and has evolved naturally since then. No serious copying jumps to my eye (OK, "33 soldiers and 5 civilians" could have been rephrased). Have I missed something obvious? What do you see that is troubling you? From what source? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== 13:59:37, 8 August 2017 review of submission by IssaDeK ==
{{Lafc|username=IssaDeK|ts=13:59:37, 8 August 2017|declined=Draft:Richard_Hirschbaeck}}

Dear Justlettersandnumbers. Thank you for your review and helpful comments on the Richard Hirschbaeck artist page. I am at the moment trying to improve the page based on your suggestions. I am an administor of the Richard Hirschbaeck estate, but I wished to make the article as my own contribution to the work of Richard Hirschbaeck. I am trying to attain more independent sources for the writing, to write in a more neutral tone and not reference the website itself too much. I have permission from the copyright owners of the estate to use material and excerpts from the website, therefor, the copyright has not been violated. As for the "notability", it is a case which is, I guess, hard to argue. I will cite as many independent sources as possible, and I would like to note that an entry in the German National Library does imply by itself notability, where Hirschbaeck is mentioned. Any other guides would be very helpful. Best regards.

Hi! Why did you delete my edit? I think it was an important edit, and I feel that when we work together and do not judge, it helps. Besides, it was a good edit. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.193.80.5|206.193.80.5]] ([[User talk:206.193.80.5#top|talk]]) 12:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC) 

== Colette Mazzucelli ==

Thanks for your help on [[Draft:Colette Mazzucelli]]. I am an OTRS volunteer who has been in contact with the subject about 'her' article. I restored it to draft space because I suspect that the 30 kilobytes removed from the article history (due to undisclosed paid editing by a blocked sockpuppet of someone who advertises Wikipedia editing services on LinkedIn) may actually have some content in it that demonstrates notability of the subject. The article was deleted for lack of notability some time after that content had been removed. I have also pointed out [[WP:NACADEMIC]] to Dr Mazzucelli, who assured me that she and her colleagues will make every effort to comply with that and other applicable guidelines in getting her article up to Wikipedia standards before submitting it for review.

I'd appreciate if you kept an eye on it, and also appreciate any improvements you care to make. If you believe the subject is notable and will survive another AFD round, feel free to move it back to main space. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

:Oh, I see you're an OTRS volunteer also. If you want the background for proper context, please see {{OTRS ticket|9391458|2016082710007096}}. It's an old ticket from a year ago, and I took it over on 22 July this year. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Anachronist}} – I've been aware of this for a while. Personally, I don't see the notability, but I'm prepared to be convinced. I note with amusement that [[Special:Contributions/SamsonFerenc|her pet cat]] is now editing the page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Hathorn ==

See the goings-on at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn]] during the last few minutes. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 12:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I have just rewritten [[Thomas Hal Phillips]], which is on the [[Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/20110727_12|CCI list]]. I'm am utterly bamboozled regarding what I am supposed to do in order to indicate that the article is now effectively new. Do you have any idea? - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 18:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
: I've marked it as cleaned. You can use {{tlsx|CPC|c}}. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 19:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
::OK, thanks very much for that. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 19:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Yep, though it may not be the best or only way to do it. Taking stuff out of order: '''after''' you are sure the page is clean, the steps are:
:::* add <nowiki>{{subst:cclean|url= url, including "http://" |CCI= SomeUser }}</nowiki> to the talk page; if you didn't identify any specific copyvio and just presumptively removed all his text, just leave the url blank; SomeUser is just the CCI name, so here 20110727
:::* if you did identify a specific copyvio, use {{tl|copyvio-revdel}} (on the article) to ask for all revisions containing it to be hidden
:::* go to the CCI, edit the section; delete everything after the first colon (all the diffs), and add a {{tl|y}}, {{tl|?}} or {{tl|n}} depending on what you found, perhaps with a word or two of explanation ("cleaned", "rewritten", "presumptively removed", etc) and sign

:::For what it's worth, what I do to be sure the page really is clean is:
:::* if it's an obvious copyvio, make a note of where from; but if it's not obvious, waste no time searching for a source and just presumptively remove instead, which a CCI specifically allows us to do; in either case:
:::* if he created it, remove all running text, save, then start the rewrite
:::* If he added stuff later, either revert to the preceding version or completely remove the bit(s) he added, save, rewrite
:::All this may seem like a lot of bureaucracy, but in the end it's the rewriting that takes the time.

:::Oh, another thing you can do instead of taking them to AfD is blank them and list them at [[WP:CP]], where they are liable for speedy deletion after seven days unless a viable rewrite has been proposed in the interim. You probably know all this, of course. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, i don't know what is happening. Everything i write for the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel is verified and correct.
What am i doing wrong and why are you not accepting this?
please let me know how to move forward and what i;m doing wrong as i really do not understand. Everything i have written is factual and with links to appropriate places.
your help and explanation would be appreciated,
thank you
denis — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:35, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 

== PAD!ES ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel
re this site. i make changes that are all verified and don't understand what i'm doing wrong that whatever is up gets taken down. and incomplete information is put up.
why is this and what can i do to make the changes that are all verified with links to prove correct to make them permanent?
thank you for your help and please explain why you are taking these down and what i need to do. Curiously enough all of this was up for a very long time until you saw problems.
please explain and help me understand what i need to do to have this corrected.
thanks
ideas person — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:42, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Ideasperson}}, I left the edit summary "Rm a mas[s] of unreferenced stuff, including copyvio from http://chateaudepadies.wordpress.com/about/". Content you add to Wikipedia must be [[WP:verifiable|verifiable]] by reference to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and must not be [[WP:COPYVIO|copied]] from other published material such as books or websites. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Marawi - citations needed ==

Hi, I'd appreciate if you specified what was the problem with citations in that article instead of just adding a refimprove template. [[User:Alaexis|Alaexis]][[User_talk:Alaexis|¿question?]] 04:33, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Alaexis}}, there was no problem with the citations as such, but for a cultivar with hundreds of years of history there are surely better sources than a couple of newspaper articles – reference works on viticulture and oenology, for example. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
== Draftify log ==

I have had a chat with Evad37, and at my request he modified the [[User:Evad37/MoveToDraft]] tool to add a 'Draftify log' functionality similar to the CSD log functionality of twinkle. I know that you are a regular user of the tool and thought that you might like to know as it seems like a useful way to keep track of draftifications afterward. All you need to do to activate the tool is to create a page at [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/Draftify log]]. Cheers and keep up the good work. — '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|InsertCleverPhraseHere]] ([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])''''' 06:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Insertcleverphrasehere}}, that seems to be a good idea. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Edit on ''Blockbuster LLC'' ==

Hello, you recently reverted my edit on [[Blockbuster LLC]] on the basis of Spam. I added The Blockbuster Fan Page as an external link, because they track the open franchise-owned Blockbuster stores. I don't completely know all of Wikipedia's rules, so I'd like for you to explain why the edit was removed. -[[User:KevinTheGuy|KevinTheGuy]] ([[User talk:KevinTheGuy|talk]]) 22:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, {{u|KevinTheGuy}}, that wasn't a good choice of edit summary on my part – I'd have done better to cite [[WP:NOTLINK]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Interdisciplinary Design for the Built Environment ==

I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia, and perhaps not fully familiar with all its conventions. But I am struggling a bit to understand the justification for peremptorily merging/redirecting this page. By comparison, why does the page you created: '''Young Man with a Horn (Miles Davis album)''' have its own page? Does it have more visibly independently-sourced content? Why is it not simply merged into the general Miles Davis page? I've always thought the whole point about html was that you could have a series of independent pages with, crucially, links to follow up whatever was of interest making it possible to navigate and follow up anything you wanted. If things are all merged together, that becomes a whole lot more difficult. Very disappointed. [[User:Torino-Topolino|Torino-Topolino]] ([[User talk:Torino-Topolino|talk]]) 16:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Clarifying [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] ==

Hello. Your comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chinese_Academy_of_Sciences&diff=prev&oldid=799626965 here] made me think that an RfC at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]] intended to clarify whether [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] should apply to more than just primary sources would be a good idea. Let me know if you want to contribute to its wording. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 10:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for this, {{u|Cordless Larry}}; in an ideal world I'd say "yes, of course that needs to be done". In this less-than-perfect one, I see broad scope for extended discussion leading to an inconclusive result. Sorry, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC) P.S. let me know if you do start it, though.
::Well, it's not an RfC (yet), but I did start a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Does/should WP:NOFULLTEXT apply to more than just primary sources?]] and your comments would be welcome. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

==A furious prosimian for you==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your careful and dependable work to find and remove copyright violations. It's a painstaking job. Thanks!--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 11:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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:That's a very charming prosimian, {{u|Fuhghettaboutit}}, I'm delighted to receive it, thank you! I often notice with pleasure your clear and accurate explanations of copyright policy. We seem to be steadily sinking under the weight of copyvio (though probably less rapidly than we are under the weight of paid/COI editing). If you have any thoughts on how and where an attempt might be started to make some impression the [[WP:CCI]] backlog (78000 pages last time I looked), I'd be interested to hear/discuss them – even the CCI request process is backlogged. Meanwhile, I thought I'd have a go at the much smaller list oustanding at [[WP:CP]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks Justlettersandnumbers! I would have responded sooner but I've barely been on the past few days (issues in RL). You're echoing my feeling, especially of late—of the extent of the mountain we face. I actually [[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit#Junopolo|wrote a post expressing similar sentiment (pessimism)]] (mostly about paid editing) just by coincidence about a half hour before your post above. Would that a knew what to do. I see no way that any of it can be tackled without ''many'' new editors, both willing to do thankless work, and capable. Of course, in the short term, on the specific issue of CCI, there's always a drive of some sort, maybe set up as a competition, with virtual awards to be given, prefaced by a training page? Maybe the fact that the ACTRIAL trial is running has freed up some hands to put to use more than usual? Just thinking out loud. But if you think that nascent, half-formed idea has any currency, I'd be happy to try to collaborate. Of course, though I do a lot of copyright work, I do little on the CCI backlog end of matters. I believe copyright work is vital, but that area of it I must tell you I find mmm... numbing, despite knowing its importance.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 03:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Thinking about anything I could do to lessen the load, I noticed that {{tl|db-g12}} instructs admin to list at WP:CP if they decline the tagging, rather than providing any nudge to clean up remaining copyright problems themselves, if willing and able. So, I've made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Db-g12&diff=prev&oldid=801881682 this edit], linking admins to the copyright violations section I wrote at [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol]].--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
: Randomly dropping by to express my appreciation for your copyright violation work too! [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|Talk]] 15:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== BVIS ==

Hello. I was just perusing your RFPP request. It seems there is [[British Vietnamese International School|BVIS Ho Chi Minh City]], then [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/en/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bvis BVIS Hanoi], then additionally a [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bis BIS Hanoi]. Actually there's also a [[British International School Ho Chi Minh City|BIS Ho Chi Minh City]]. I'm sure how they should be consolidated, if at all, but I thought I'd just mention that BIS Hanoi is not BVIS Hanoi. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 09:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:Aargh, thanks, {{u|zzuuzz}}! – I checked that they were in the same city, owned by the same company, didn't look up the actual physical addresses. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::Understandable, and quite a confusing situation they have there (the RFPP request remains, btw) -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 19:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

== BIS Hanoi redirected link? Huyennguyen243 ==
Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I have created an article for British International School Hanoi since August however my article has been continuously redirected to British Vietnamese International School Hanoi at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Vietnamese_International_School_Hanoi. A volunteer on Wikipedia suggested me to talk to you about this. I'd like to explain that the two schools are separate and have differentiation in curriculum & student body although we are owned by the same company and locate in Hanoi. Could you please help to undo the redirect the BIS Hanoi article to BVIS Hanoi's one? Any further information please let me know. Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Huyennguyen243|Huyennguyen243]] ([[User talk:Huyennguyen243#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huyennguyen243|contribs]]) 04:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest]] ==
Hi. Thankyou for your participation in the challenge series or/and contests. In November [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|The Women in Red World Contest]] is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If this would appeal to you and you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on women during this month for your region or wherever please sign up in the participants section. The articles done may also count towards the ongoing challenge. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Help would also be appreciated in drawing up the lists of missing articles. If you think of any missing articles please add them to the sub lists by continent at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles|Missing articles]]. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 08:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Edo Segal]]==
Hello. Thank you for making me aware of the edit warring policy. Is there any way we can get the page deleted? The content that's been approved and remains up there is unimportant and irrelevant, and the mention of the Golani Brigade could potentially be damaging given recent news. Is there a Wikipedia criterion for deletion that fits this reasoning? Thank you! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Claire.c.n|Claire.c.n]] ([[User talk:Claire.c.n#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Claire.c.n|contribs]]) 18:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC) 
*I don't know what "recent events" you're talking about--that stuff about the brigade is well verified, in an online article, and you added, or re-added it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edo_Segal&diff=803939278&oldid=803936678 yourself]. But what you could do is pull different, more relevant content from that article. And I say "could" because I don't know if ''you'' can--I have not seen you edit the article neutrally. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Drmies}} – as you've seen, there's very little in the page (which is why I've proposed merging it). I don't know exactly how that stuff got there, but I think I may have written some of it – the page has an extensive and tedious history of COI and copyvio. {{u|Claire.c.n}}, your first step is probably to declare what [[WP:COI|connection]] you have to Segal (your use of "we" makes it pretty obvious that there is such a connection), and specifically whether you [[WP:PAID|receive any payment of any kind]] from Segal or any of his businesses (paid editors '''must''' declare the source of payments they receive, in accordance with our [[WP:Terms of Use|Terms of Use]]). Once that's out of the way, you can request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page; there are instructions there on how to go about that. If you wish, you can try [[WP:AFD|nominating the page for deletion]], but I think he's been written about just enough that the nomination would possibly not succeed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Hmm that other article really has no meat on it either, does it. This Edo Segal guy is kind of interesting (though that one article is waaaaay too puffy) and has been mentioned a few more times, but I don't know how much more we can get out of him. One thing you could consider is sending it to AfD... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Indeed, {{u|Drmies}}, he certainly does not seem to be just your ordinary successful businessman. I must admit I've not looked very hard for further sources for the page, probably because there are so many other topics I'd rather be writing about. You? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Google News didn't have much to add. I may come back to this to see if AfD is a valid option. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Graphic artists]] ==

I don't think this is a viable category. It will get deleted. I suggest you use one of the others in [[:Category:Artists by genre]].[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 11:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Rathfelder}}, you may well be right. Which of those categories is, in your opinion, the right one for [[Graphic arts|graphic artists]] – artists who work in graphic media such as silk-screen, woodcut, engraving etc., but are not by any stretch of the imagination [[graphic design]]ers, who prepare advertising copy and the like? By the way, I don't think we should categorise people by nationality unless the nationality is stated, with reference, in the article text. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping you knew the answer to that question, because I don't. Maybe "Graphic artists" could be a useful category, but if so it needs to be populated. Perhaps you could have a look at the entries under graphic designers and see if any of them would be better there? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 12:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's a good idea, {{u|Rathfelder}}, thank you; I'll see what substantial categories I can add to it, rather than piecemeal individuals. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

== Interesting article, possible source ==

[https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.attelage-patrimoine.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fle-commerce-du-cheval-de-travail.html&edit-text= This article on working horses in France] is the google translate version, if you can read it in the original French, it may be better. But looks like it may have good info on some of the French horse breeds, possibly including some on the extinct breeds list. Anyway, thought it might be up your alley. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia ==

Hi

Thanks for your changes to [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia]] on dealing with text that has been added under a license that isn't compatible with Wikipedia. I think that the sentence 'Please do NOT attempt to rephrase the text without first removing it, as this can give rise to a [[wikipedia:Derivative work|derivative work]]' might be a bit confusing. I'm trying to write this page to be usable by people who are fairly new to Wikipedia. Is there any guidance anywhere on 'how much/how to' rephrase copyrighted material so it doesn't create a derivative work? This is quite unclear, the current sentence makes it sound a bit like you can't rephrase text from another source at all.

Thanks again

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 09:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|John Cummings}}! I'm certainly open to suggestions on how that sentence could be improved. Here's my take on the sticky question of "rephrasing":
:# we don't do it – it tends to lead to [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]
:# what we do is write new text, in our own words, to express the ideas, concepts and facts in the sources
:# if there's been a copyright violation (content copied more or less directly from a source), then it needs to be removed, either by reverting to the version before it was inserted, or by excising the copyright content and any text that derives from it (see the instructions at [[WP:CP]])
:# if instead someone fiddles with the wording a bit to make it slightly different from the source, the problem is not solved and a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]] may have been created (like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa); that modified text will still need to be removed.
:I'm aware that others may have a rather more tolerant attitude to rewriting problem text without first removing it, but I'm not sure that that tolerance is in accordance with our policy (by which I mean, I don't think it is). I'll have a look at the text I added to your page and see if I can suggest something better – I wrote that in some haste, as I wanted to try to correct what appeared to me to be some quite mistaken advice. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Justlettersandnumbers}}, thanks very much for your thoughts, perhaps something like this? I'm trying to keep the instructions accurate but succinct, TLDR is a real issue:
# Remove the text and attribution from the article , either by reverting to the version before it was inserted (being careful not to lose any other work done on the article), or by [[WP:CP|deleting the text]].
# Rewrite the text in your own words and avoid [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]] which will create a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]].
[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 11:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Heiner Thiel]] ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, recently i worked on the article and found that there were all these ''ref name''-tags, which i couldn't understand. And then i re-entered the original links, with the result that now this message came ''Cite error: A list-defined reference named "ref9" is not used in the content (see the help page).'' and this got me very nervous. I asked at the help-desk, how i could erase this and someone wrote that you were so kind to work on the formatting of the article and had put the ref name tags there... and now i erased all your work, i just didn't understand, why they were there. Could you please help me to understand? I don't want to do things wrong and i can only excuse myself for having erased all the work and effort you put into it. It was just that i did not understand. Sorry. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Gyanda}}, there's nothing to apologise for, please don't give this another thought. I made those changes because I couldn't make head or tail of an early version of the page. If you've now worked out how to do without them that's fine with me. However, I remain concerned both that Thiel is not really notable by our standards, and that you may have some personal or professional connection to him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::The only connection i have is that i like his art. I'm only writing on abstract artists, whose work i like. I try to build up some knowledge on the terms of this part of art, as i haven't studied it - but studied literature instead. So i still have to learn a lot about art and it is a nice work as i am retired now and do have lots of time (and am not very mobile, due to physical handicap, so i do my best to be useful still :-). Thank you very much for your work on the article! Kind regards, Gyanda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gyanda|contribs]]) 20:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC) 

== What was wrong with this statement? ==

Art Research Center First Exhibition: October 29 1966 to January 31 1967 Kansas City, MO Public Library, 12th & Oak. Seven members participated in the first ARC Exhibition. Michael Stephens, Constructive Artist, Designer, Lecturer, Nancy Ann Stephens, Artist, Designer, Jon B. Thogmartin, Architect, Structural Artist,Norton Nelkin, Wittgensteinian, Philosopher, Theoretician, Gary Rice, Theoretician, Computer, Programmer, Philip J. VanVoorst, Artist, Graphic Designer,John Abbick, Artist, Conceptual Modeler,Harold Chase, Systematic Artist. Source The Kansas City Star Nov 13 1966 ([[User:Philboyxp|Philboyxp]] ([[User talk:Philboyxp|talk]]) 17:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC))
:Well, quite a lot, I'm afraid, {{u|Philboyxp}}. Relatively minor problems are that It's All Capitalised As If It Were The Title Of A Book Or Something, and that it is nonsense (do you really believe that Gary Rice was a computer as well as a programmer, that Nelkin could have been a [[Wittgenstein]]ian if he were not also a philosopher?). More serious problems are your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] in relation to this page, and the apparently insuperable difficulty that most if not all of these people are fairly thoroughly non-[[WP:notable|notable]], such that listing them in an article does not really expand our understanding at all. I'll leave a note on the talk-page about conflict of interest and how to handle it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

==Lau==
My error,of course. I obviously should have either deleted or rewritten much more thorly ,but the simplest thing noe id delete it snd I just did that. Apparently I was working too late at night. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 16:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:I'm so sorry, I meant to leave you a note to say just that – that some of the problematic initial text had slipped through your rewrite, but I forgot – I've been very caught up in real life today and have only visited very briefly here. How I wish that we had a real-time copyvio check on page creations that would simply block the save function on text that appears to be copied. It'd stop a lot of run-of-the-mill copyvio, but would also catch the occasional good-faith mistake such as this one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:::It would have stopped this, but there are always borderline problems--the programs we have mark lists of publications and similar uncopyrightable text that could not be expressed otherwise as copyvio. More generally, there's of course the problem of how much effort to use on rewriting promotional articles. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 17:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Art gallery editing Wikipedia articles ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I have a question: I work for an Art gallery. My job involves curating and writing about some of the artists we host. I've been getting acquainted with Wikipedia these last few days to see how I may be able to contribute within guidelines. Would my contributions be considered COI editing? I am not paid by the artists involved, but my employer is an arts organization that hosts some of these artists. I noticed you have been involved in editing Wikipedia articles for some of the artist pages I would like to contribute to, so thought you'd be a good editor to ask for advice. Thank you for your help :-) Liz [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 12:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|CroatianNeptune}}, and thanks for asking! In my personal opinion, yes, you would be considered to have a [[WP:COI]] in relation to any artist or work that the gallery markets, and should limit your contributions to our articles on them to talk-page requests (ask if you don't know how to do that). Based on what you say, I'm pretty sure that you should also make a [[WP:PAID|paid editor disclosure]]. But that's just my opinion; if you'd like a more general view, you could ask at the [[WP:COIN|conflict-of-interest noticeboard]]. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
::: Hi [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]], Thank you for your advice. I will follow it. Best wishes. [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 13:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== Joel Selanikio Edits ==

Hi, I saw that you removed significant portions of the article on [[Joel Selanikio]] due to some citation and user edit issues. The current article, however, references him primarily as a physician, but the original outlined his role as a technology company CEO, as related to the awards still listed on the page. I was wondering your thoughts on why those references were removed as it changes the meaning of the page in its current form. Thanks!  [[User:Chatfielda|Chatfielda]] [[User_talk:Chatfielda|(talk) ]] 18:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I made fifteen or so edits there, {{u|Chatfielda}}. Unless I am much mistaken, I left an edit summary for each of them, so that my reasons for making each change would be quite clear. If there's any that isn't clear to you, please ask (the talk-page of the article would be the best place for that). Oh, and if you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to him, you should disclose it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sussex Chicken ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers,
In the Popular Poultry Breeds source I added, the author talked about how the Sussex chicken came to be, specifically on page 242-243. It basically followed the lineage from the Dorking chicken, which (with the help of the [[Dorking chicken]] page) led to me adding that portion on. Perhaps I phrased something wrong in the next bit, because (from the info I gathered) the naming of the Sussex Chicken came after [[Harrison Weir]] suggested naming chickens from their proper location, which was the Sussex county. I'm pretty sure the county was around the time he was alive because he suggested it again in 1903, but if you can tell me when the county was made, that would be great because I don't have that knowledge. As far as the four and five toes bit, I wanted to get another source, although the same info can be found in the Popular source. Is the Popular source not a good source to cite from? Thanks for looking it over and if you can help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it as a rookie. [[User:John Cartright|John Cartright]] ([[User talk:John Cartright|talk]]) 16:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:Urggh, it seems I forgot to answer you, {{u|John Cartright}} – sorry about that. The Scrivener source appears to be [[WP:RS|reliable]] by our standards – it's published by a small but reputable publishing house. However, I don't think your reading of it and the other sources is accurate – I don't think it is credible that the breed was named by Harrison Weir, or that it derives from the [[Dorking (chicken)|Dorking]], which is characterised by a distinctive fifth toe. Our page on that breed certainly makes some absurd claims, and needs cleaning up. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Making Headway ==

I apologize if I'm not do doing this right, as I'm a wikipedia notice. Somebody on the live help chat said I should contact you. I while back I tried to get a volunteer to set up a page for a non-profit that I work at. I didn't go through that process correctly, but eventually a more experienced wikipedia editors helped me to edit and organize the information, including declaring that I had a connection to the organization. After everything was done, I submitted the entry, but it was rejected twice because "no changes were made". However, there were a lot of changes since the original entry and I have no idea what else needs to be changed. Everything is sources and nothing is promotional. Can you please help. Than you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Making_Headway_Foundation [[User:Danlipka|Daniel Lipka]] ([[User talk:Danlipka|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Smithson yet again! ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. As you know, he's been on a bit of a rampage here in the last two weeks, and an even bigger rampage at Simple WP where they let IPs create articles [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. To make a long story short, I've created [[Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson]]. There needs to be a record of his MO that people can refer to. I think it would be useful to other Wikis as well. The Italians pretty much have his number, but he's been very busy on the Spanish and French Wikis in addition to Simple. I'm going to ask an admin to change the status of the LTA from "pending" to "active". Feel free to tweak it in the meantime. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:That is a great step forward, {{u|Voceditenore}}, thank you for the work you've put into it. I've been thinking about how this should or could be stopped more effectively, and wondering if an edit filter could be set up to flag any edit containing the principal keywords – but I've no idea how edit filters work, or even who to ask ({{u|Crow}}, are you such a person?). Ideally, I think that would be a global filter, if there is such a thing (and if there isn't there should be). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

::More about a filter in a moment. Meanwhile, you might want to keep an eye on [[Draft:Gualtiero Galmanini]] and its creator, a newly registered account. Smithson has been busy lately creating articles about him all over the place, e.g. [[simple:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[:it:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[fr:Gualtiero Galmanini]], '''[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Gualtiero+Galmanini%22 etc.]'''. It might be a coincidence, but I doubt it, given the time frame. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

*About filters, it would have to be one that stipulates it's for IPs only and it would have to filter for the articles themselves and for key words. Some of his targets get a lot of editing by registered users. But even then it might also exclude legitimate IPs, which many find undesirable. I think these normally get raised at ANI to get approval. Perhaps either you or I could post there asking if this is possible. What do you think? By the way, here's the latest example of him sneaking "Lierna" into a non-obvious target: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dieter_Zetsche&type=revision&diff=809018772&oldid=808928471]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:*Yes I'm an Edit Filter Manager so can potentially put something together. If there's a pattern or keyword that are always used, that helps. Looking at the LTA, just by what is given it would be hard to crate something that doesn't cause a large amount of legit edits to be blocked. Feel free to email me such conditions if these should be kept quiet to avoid the sock figuring out how to evade the filter. Thanks, [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 14:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding revert of move ==

I moved the page according to [[Wikipedia:Moving a page]] and I didn't expect the move to be controversial because in my opinion the Italian title of the article is violating [[Wikipedia:Article titles]] which says that the titles of articles are in English. ''Wikipedia:Moving a page'' doesn't say that an article must be discussed before being moved unless it is expected to be controversial. I have a couple of questions: What do you find controversial about the move of the article? Where does it say that the move must be discussed beforehand? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 22:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

:Wow. I mean wow. Did you really have to just click the revert button instead of moving the article to the name you wanted? Did it cross your mind at all the amount of time that I spent editing the article? I spent a few hours on that article and you just push the revert button? Are you for real? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 23:24, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

::I will ask you to do your proper homework before reverting other people's hard work. You should really take into account the significant amount of time that other editors put into editing articles before reverting their work. And this is something that a senior editor as yourself should know. "Dictionary of the Spanish Language" is not an obscure or made up name, it is actually the official translation in English that the Royal Spanish Academy uses for the name in Spanish of its dictionary, Diccionario de la Lengua Española.<ref>http://www.rae.es/sites/default/files/Triptico_RAE_ingles_web.pdf</ref> [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 00:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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:::{{u|Thinker78}}, it seems that you moved [[:Accademia della Crusca]] and [[:Diccionario de la lengua española]] based on a very incomplete understanding of [[WP:AT|our article title policy]], so I reverted the moves. Thank you for starting the move requests, which would probably have been your best first step; so far, it seems I'm not alone in thinking the titles you chose are not the right ones. I also reverted changes you'd made to those two articles following the moves, as my revert had rendered them inappropriate (we use the same name within the article as we do in the page title). As a general rule, you can probably assume that moving a page on a prominent institution from a title that's been stable for thirteen years is almost certain to be controversial unless there's been some relevant recent change in our titling policy. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For doing your homework better than those saying "do your homework" :) [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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== [[Fort Collins, Colorado]] ==

Hi there. I noticed you started [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 115#Layer3 TV]] back in June. Today I stumbled upon [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fort_Collins,_Colorado&diff=prev&oldid=808890767 this] odd-smelling edit to [[Fort Collins, Colorado]]. I also see that [[Jeff Binder]] has a connection to Fort Collins, see [http://www.cobizmag.com/Articles/A-startup-state-of-mind/]. I'm not sure how to re-open this COI discussion. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! Yes, that's a curious edit. I'm not sure I see the connection to Layer3 TV, though, but perhaps that's because I haven't looked hard enough. In any case, to re-start a discussion like that I just start a new one with a title something like "Layer3 TV, again" and a link to the previous one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Touro ==

Hey there, I made a limited effort at putting information at [[Touro College and University System]], but another set of eyes couldn't hurt. I think for a long time, just [[Touro College]] was used as a catchall for the institution and the university network. Made a new category and added appropriate pages to that cat and left the TC cat on pages that were directly related to the home institution. Please have a look if things are up to snuff. If this is of no interest to you and you only came by the page because of the copyvio, I understand that too. Cheers, [[User:JesseRafe|JesseRafe]] ([[User talk:JesseRafe|talk]]) 20:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Barnstar of European Merit ==

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== Jigsaw Records ==

Please do not undo a factually correct and approved article, where significant public interest and sources have been cited. This is also a material breach of the intellectual property referred to on the page (the mark ‘Jigsaw Records’ is trademarked to Jigsaw Records Ltd accoding to the IPO). Any further attempt to change this will be reported to an admin to protect the page and avert a breach of the trademark. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Article missing? Antonino da Patti ==

Greetings, FYI at [[Talk:Antonino da Patti]] Revision history - the ''article'' tab is red linked. Unable to find the article. If article was deleted, should talk go as well? I'm just reporting here as I don't know how to correct. Regards,  [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] [[User_talk:JoeHebda|(talk) ]] 16:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|JoeHebda}}, and thanks for picking that up. I'd gone and moved the talk page instead of the article itself, not the first time by any means that I've made that particular dumb mistake (I really wish there was a pop-up warning when you try to do that). It's fixed now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni ==

AWB applies ''automatic'' formatting fixes to an article ''independently'' of the specific edit that a user is making — so if it made bad formatting changes of its own while I was in the process of applying the {{tl|uncategorized}} tag, that's a ''software'' bug that needs to be addressed by AWB's programmers, and not a personal error on ''my'' part. And the "uncategorized" tag ''has'' to be there if the article doesn't have any categories on it, so you don't get to dismiss that as a "useless" edit that nobody should have been making at all — there were almost 1,500 articles on the uncategorized articles list yesterday, of which I didn't even manage to get through half so there are still over 800, so one software bug on one article does not require me to forego AWB and ''manually'' tag them all as uncategorized one by one. And further, if you're not familiar with how AWB works, there's no way for me to have "seen I screwed up", as you so angrily put it; it does not ''show'' you the "after" view of a page after you've applied an edit, but rather moves on to the next page in the batch. So I'm sorry it happened, but none of it represents ''me'' screwing up or acting irresponsibly. If there's a bug in AWB's "automated cleanup" programming, that's for AWB's programmers to fix. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 16:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

==Polli==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for your kind message. :-) That user has been blocked on it.wiki as well and we worked on his page too. Thanks for remembering me so kindly the policies about pages' chronology, I know them, since I am sysop on it.wiki since 2006. :-)) But this is a different case. I will try to explain it with my English. At the beginning, I published that text in Polli Corporation, but after a while I discovered that Polli Corporation was a different company (even if not notable and a vandalism), so I copied my text in [[Polli (company)]], a new page. Please note that it was a ''new'' and rewritten page, created from scratch. :) The page [[Polli Corporation]] should be deleted, while the other one is totally new, therefore - in this case - it is not correct to keep the chronology of a vandalism, and I am actually the first user who wrote that text. Hope it helps. Cheers. :) --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 03:11, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes]] ==

Heyo Justlettersandnumbers and thank you for your comments. I have been away from the process and I am not sure about what happens next. I was wondering if your queries were resolved, could you restore the tick per Ashorocetus' review for its promotion? I saw something similar at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jochen Rindt]] and thought I should message you. Regards, '''''[[User:Yash!|Ya]][[User talk:Yash!|sh]][[Special:Contributions/Yash!|!]]''''' 04:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Jlan. I am back from yoga class and ready to start working in Diana, Princess of Wales. If you could tell me which diffs you have cleared that would be perfect. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Diannaa}}, I did the last seven on my list (# 104–110), and have already removed them from there. The diffs from 111 on shouldn't need checking because that's where I optimistically rolled it back to when I first identified the problem. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I am going to work on it for a couple hours, so stay off for now. Thanks so much for your help. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I am stopping for now. I have completed to and including #85 on your list. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Wow! That's heroic – and the end is in sight. I'll try to do some more tomorrow, working on the other large project in my sandbox at the moment. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I have finished the rest of the diffs and will be revision-deleting back to the diff about the coat of arms that we talked about. Thanks again for your help with clean-up of this article. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 20:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

== JMO ==

I smell a sockpuppet: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Neonhorseranch&diff=next&oldid=702471679]. Just my opinion. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

==On ethnicity of [[Giovanni Battista Pittoni]]==
I did revert back to Italian. See talk page for artist. No one denies the truth of your assertion, but the consensus has been to call such persons "Italian", and I think there are good reasons for that.
Sydney Joseph Freedberg in his volume, titled "Painting in Italy, 1500-1600", discusses painters from Milan to Venice to Naples. The same is true for Rudolf Wittkower in his Pelican History of Art, "Art and Architecture Italy, 1600-1750". GB Pittoni is mentioned in page 91. Both these are major works in the topic by major scholars. They see a role for using the term "Italian" to describe painters from these regions in these eras. If this is still very contentious, the prior debate would have to be re-opened.[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 19:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

== New sock of "Alec Smithson" ==
Will you report "Max"? I'm off PC, and just with tablet this goes badly..--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 21:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, just doing it now. It couldn't be much more obvious, could it? We should mention this to {{u|Lucas}} too, as he's made a similar account on Italian wp, Utente:Max Araldi. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Yopie}} Thanks, is there any ip check (check user, I mean) to see? Thanks! --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 02:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Lucas}}, Max was blocked on behavioural similarity. {{u|Yopie}} filed an [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alec Smithson|SPI]] but didn't request checkuser. Regards (to both), [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Yopie}} Ok, it was too old to check (I thought there could be multiple ips), so it's a [[WP:DUCK|duck]]. Thank you both. --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 09:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Lucas}}, checkusers won't link IPs to registered accounts – at least, not publicly. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I am not used to ask for a check directly here on en.wiki and I do know that the policy (at least should) apply interwiki, but as you can see [[:it:Wikipedia:Check user/Richieste|"''sometimes''" it happens]]. ;) In any case, a checkuser may say "yes, there is a postive link with 3 ips that are trying to avoid the block". --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 17:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::AFIK as former CsArbComm member, this is possible for a checkuser, but you must explicitly demand it. But they dont like it and usualy they prefer behaviour check. With "Alec" we not need it, because his poor English and obsession with Natoli.--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 00:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== David W. Allan ==

I see you were the one to strip the [[David_W._Allan]] page. David is my father. We spent a lot of time creating that page, with references, etc. I can't fathom why you stripped it. He is a world-leading scientist. What are you? IEEE is doing a feature issue on his Allan Variance soon. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/publications/tr/special-issue-variance-50th.asp

I see that older versions of that page here are unavailable to restore to. Why?

It's this kind of nonsense that spurred me 12 years ago to start http://PESWiki.com, the best exotic free energy website in the world. I can't stand the kind of idiocy that occurs here at Wikipedia, personified by what you just did to the article about my dad. A lot of people worked on that page, then you stripped it, for no good reason.

You should be banned from Wikipedia, but you're probably one of its key administrators.

How do we restore that page? How do we banish you?

-- [[User:Sterlingda|Sterlingda]] ([[User talk:Sterlingda|talk]]) 00:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Sterlingda}} The page will not be restored. The content was removed and old revisions deleted due to copyright violations. (See the [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=David_W._Allan}} log].) — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 02:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Terreña==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Parnall ==

Thanks for deleting all of the copyvio stuff on [[Parnall]]. I am amazed it could have been undetected for over 13 years. Is it OK to remove some of the empty sub heads etc or should I wait until an admin has done the deletion request? — [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 16:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Rodw}}, and thank you so much for noticing that copyvio and listing it – kudos! You should feel free to edit the remaining skeleton of the page in any way you like (apart from, obviously, sticking back any of the copyvio!), there's no need to wait. As for the age, this has set a new record for me – version 169,000-odd of Wikipedia! It might also have been the oldest text without any significant references in Wikipedia, but who knows? I wish you luck with it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Over my head ==

If you can pop over to [[Međimurje horse]] and help {{u|Tsaag Valren}}, she's got a project going where she's trying to get the horse articles consistent on wikidata, and apparently we have two articles on the same horse breed -- I think. The language issues are over my head, and Tsaag is very active on French wiki, but she values help with her English, so I thought that you might be able to be of more help to her on this project than I am. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]|GO [[Thunder (mascot)|THUNDER!]] 04:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Johannes Engel==
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your continued investigations into textual copyright violations such as at [[Anu Malhotra]]. I'm sure you know, but I'll chip in, that it is very much appreciated. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Thank you, {{u|BethNaught}}, for your kind words! For a variety of reasons I've been able to do very little recently. The backlog is completely out of hand, but I'm hoping to chip away at it a bit more often from now on. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

== Bruce Silverstein Gallery ==

Justlettersandnumbers,
Can you please clarify your ongoing issue with the updates being made to the Bruce Silverstein Gallery page? Your comments from the previous edits: "Not an improvement; this page is about the gallery, not a person; copyright violations, too." If you look at other gallery wiki pages (i.e. Pace MacGill) the same format is being used and you do not take issue with this? The gallery owner of any gallery is a large part of the historical and contemporary program of the gallery. Might you suggest ways for the BSG page to be built in a more appropriate manner?

[[Special:Contributions/207.38.161.165|207.38.161.165]] ([[User talk:207.38.161.165|talk]]) 03:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! By far the best way forward for that page is for editors with a [[WP:COI|close personal or professional connection]] with the gallery to keep strictly away from the article and refrain entirely from editing it, but instead propose any desired change on the talk page, [[Talk:Bruce Silverstein Gallery]]. There are instructions on that page on how to do that. Please note that, if the [https://web.archive.org/web/20080206050534/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118125429882128346-search.html?KEYWORDS=silverstein+photography&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month WSJ] says the gallery was "in a 500-square-foot studio on the first floor of a townhouse on West 22nd Street in New York", you cannot simply copy that into Wikipedia; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not tolerated here (it's also against the law). I agree that our article on [[Peter MacGill]] needs attention. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Wondering about ==

a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SNAAAAKE!!#Copyright_problem:_Kaufering_concentration_camp warning] your placed on [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]] about content that had been in [[Kaufering concentration camp]]. I know that particular editor is blocked and could not find his name in the article's editing history (was thinking it could have been one of his socks?) Just curious about how the warning ended up on that user talk page. Thanks, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Shearonink}}! The copyvio at [[Kaufering concentration camp]] was added by user HanzoHattori in 2007. [[User talk:HanzoHattori]] redirects to [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]], so that's where I left the notice. I haven't looked at the sock history, though someone will need to if there turns out to be any pattern of copyright violation here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
::I figured it was something like that - what a tangled socking web. Thanks for answering my query, I'm always curious about how Wikipedia works. Cheers, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your work at [[Bobby Lockwood]] following the copyright violations - thanks. :-) [[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 13:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Just letting you know I removed the circumflex accent from the word "role" - there shouldn't be one on that word. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::Er, are you quite sure about that, {{u|Chesnaught555}}? Here are [http://scholar.google.it/scholar?start=980&q=rôle+-role&hl=en&lr=lang_en&as_sdt=0,5 about 10 000 results on Google Scholar] which seem not to be aware of it. Perhaps you'd like to undo that edit? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah, my apologies. I will undo that. I didn't think the English language had circumflex accents. Still, my apologies, I'll revert it. --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} Well, [http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/15488/what-is-the-distinction-between-role-and-r%C3%B4le-with-a-circumflex TIL]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 18:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

==Just edited addition to the FIT article ==
Following your very good suggestions, I have sourced my post and placed it where it may more appropriately fit with other dates and foundational information about the college.[[User:Andesite39|Andesite39]] ([[User talk:Andesite39|talk]]) 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Green-legged Partridge==
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}} —[[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 00:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright? ==

Does [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infantilization&type=revision&diff=706758503&oldid=706676557 this edit] constitute a copyright violation? [[User:Hawaan12|Hawaan12]] ([[User talk:Hawaan12|talk]]) 04:35, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:Sorry to have been slow to reply, {{u|Hawaan12}}. I see why you ask, but I don't see any real copyvio problem there. However, as an aside, I don't think the ''Beckett and Phenomenology'' source is an appropriate one – it's discussing Beckett's language, not the definition of infantilisation. That should come from a text on that subject. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I did a small re-write a few days ago of the sections that had been highlighted. There's only so many ways to re-word a sentence, so I'm not sure how to approach it. Any suggestions would be appreciated, as it's certainly a notable biography. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 23:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:I saw that, {{u|Magnolia677}}, but I didn't feel that it had resolved the problem. Rather than re-wording of a sentence or two, what the page needs is to be rewritten in completely new words – your own words. The meaning of the source can freely be reproduced, but not in the same language that the source uses. It often helps if you avoid following the structure of the source too, and drawing from more than one source as you write can also help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== Alec Smithson ==

Well, my last ounce of good faith concerning the current IP at [[Carlo Biotti]] has completely disappeared. At first I thought he might have been a family member, but I'm now quite convinced that it's [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|Alec Smithson]]. Newbie attorney makes edits like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carlo_Biotti&type=revision&diff=707240710&oldid=707220347 this]? Uh huh. Do you think we should apply for page protection or just keep reverting him? The trouble is, as an IP they'll never block him for more than a couple of days [[File:SMirC-sad.svg|20px]] . [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! It's him for sure – I've been dealing with the same rubbish for months; {{u|Yopie}} has dealt with a good deal of it too. However, your family-member suggestion is not a dumb one. It took me a moment or two to realise that the two possibilities were not incompatible. The most likely reason for the lunatic obsession with people called Natoli and Polli is that they are relatives, Biotti may be another (see for example [[:File:Emilio Biotti Champion.jpg|this mis-named file]]).
:What to do? I've no idea – he changes IP all the time, and the level of disruption at any one article is not usually enough to justify protection. I think the only thing to do is to revert on sight without paying any attention at all to whatever he may be trying to say or engaging with him in any way. This is of course where we need those "more robust tools" against long-term abuse that we've asked the WMF for. I've nearly finished cleaning up and attributing his articles here (see [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/sandbox|the list here]]); those on it.wp and fr.wp are still mostly a total pig's breakfast, but I'm not planning to work on them. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::I wonder if a CBAN on Alec Smithson would be ideal here. It's clear that he's [[WP:NOTHERE]], not to mention an [[WP:CIR|incompetent]] sockmaster whose only intent is to cause havoc. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, he's already indeffed here and [[:m:Special:CentralAuth/Alec_Smithson|globally locked]]. I don't really see that a ban would give us any advantage in dealing with the IP-hopping, do you? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Fair enough sir. Perhaps range blocking the IPs would be within the community's best interest, if that has yet to be done? --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, well, well. A bit of googling this morning turns up '''lots''' of people with the double name of [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH Natoli Biotti], [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH#q=%22Polli++Natoli%22 Polli Natoli], and people related to both groups e.g. [http://www.geni.com/people/Maria-Polli/6000000024711190657 here]. It would certainly account for the... er... fervor of his outrage at "mistakes" in the articles. A range block would be difficult. He seems to use [[Telecom Italia]] IPs geolocated to the area around Milan with a range between (at least) 95... and 79... I'm sure they'd tell us it would affect way too many users. Anyhow, from now on, I'll just revert him without comment. Justlettersandnumbers, are there any other pages you'd like me to watch? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I think that's pretty much all we can do, and it's completely dependent on constant watching of the pages. So yes, please do add some to your watchlist if you have room. The most obsessive topics are Natoli, Polli, Lierna and Sperlinga, but take your pick from my list. Thanks for your help! Just in case you've any lingering good faith about the IP: [[Special:Contributions/79.31.142.172|definitive confirmation]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I've added all the (existing) pages he's created to my watchlist. Interesting pattern. Apart from stuff obviously related to the Natoli/Polli/Biotti clan, I suspect many of the artist biographies were for works which they own, followed by biographies of art historians to validate the material about the artists. Ditto the "historians of nobility". What an incredible time-sink this person has been, not to mention abusing my assumption of good faith by socking away at the same time he was claiming to be the "legal advisor" to Carlo Biotti's family. UGH! Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Excellent, thank you! Time-sink? You can say that again! Good thought about the artworks, that would explain the interest in obscure second- and third-rate artists (some of the fourth-rate ones got deleted). Your good faith was misplaced but does you credit. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Yours, all yours ==

Well-intentioned overeager newbie: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boerperd&oldid=709695405]. Old edits read like a copy-and-paste; I suspect the images are all copyvio too. Article was blanked as unreffed (probably copyvio) and redirected to [[Boer pony]], which could use some work anyway. I have other fish to fry. Have at it if you choose to, but perhaps the issue of whether we need revdel at [[Boerperd]] history is also something up your alley. Anyway, it's all yours. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:You saw what I've done. I didn't see any evidence of copyvio in either the English or the Afrikaans content added by the new editor; did you see anything specific? (I'll look again if you did) I added attribution for the part that was translated. I've nominated most of the images for deletion on Commons, but don't have the language skills to do the same on af.wp (that's a pretty impenetrable language!). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Forgot I had this watchlisted due to ancient dramahz. I took a look at Boerperd, and the stand-out thing was that the images are all credited to other individuals (in the captions in the article, as if this is a newspaper), but the author of the page uploaded them as self-owned, so that's a red flag. Dunno about the text; if it was translated from something in Afrikaans, it might be originally from elsewhere. Hope the image catch is helpful. — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 07:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's why I [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Justlettersandnumbers nominated most of them for deletion] – those that had a photographer or studio credited in the text, on the image itself, or in the EXIF data. A few of them didn't have any of those, and G-image searching didn't immediately throw up any evidence of copyvio; I imagine that the Commons admin who looks at the deletion requests will also look at other uploads, and be much smarter than I am at this kind of thing. I did use Earwig's tool to check for copyvio in the Afrikaans version of the page (which would have made ours a translational copyvio), but found no cause for anxiety. Unless you guys can see anything else to worry about here I really think we're in the clear (as far as text goes, anyway). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::The breathless "my magic pony is a unicorn" tone in the article kind of jumped out at me, which is probably why I was fretting ... best you handle this new editor. Actually, if they can be calmed down, sometimes the over-enthusiastic can become really good contributors; it really does depend on how much they are able to learn how things work on en.wiki. But on this one, glad to see you reach out to that editor and on this one, it is better you handle it, JLAN; I've got two mentees right now and both are going great guns, keeping me pretty busy (along with all the usual wiki-drahmahz elsewhere...). [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

==List of writers on horsemanship==
Please see my comment on the talk page. A list of written works is not suitable evidence of notability because it is not an independent source. [[User:IronGargoyle|IronGargoyle]] ([[User talk:IronGargoyle|talk]]) 23:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

:JLAN, FYI: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IronGargoyle#March_2016]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[:File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg]] ==

Hi Jlan. Could you do me a favour and see if you can find a permission email for this photo in the OTRS queue? It's been tagged as OTRS pending for a long time, and the email has been recently re-sent. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:Found it, but the permission wasn't entirely sufficient – I've had to ask for clarification. Fifteen months, eh? – but it looks as if it was them who dropped the ball. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for checking. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 19:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

::: Good Evening Jlan - a correction, at my request a different individual, the new (this year) Digital Marketing Manager for Studio Theater, sent a new email to [email protected] at 10:31am EDT 14 March 2016. This email included the following:

::: "I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

::: If necessary I can forward you the entire email, a copy of the email that she bcc'ed me

::: ed

::: [[User:Ecragg|Ecragg]] ([[User talk:Ecragg|talk]]) 02:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::: Yes, {{u|Ecragg}}, that is the ticket I found, read and added to the page with {{diff|File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg|710228145|710014229|this edit}}. However, the permission was not entirely sufficient, so I asked for further clarification. I've not heard back. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

== Possible copyright infringement? ==

Hello. I see that you detected copyright infringement in the Baltimore and Ohio article. I am suspecting that the article [[Building the Virginian Railway]] might count: If I were to look up some phases or excerpts from the latter article in quotations in Google Books, I usually get a result of the H. Reid book ''The Virginian Railway''. The searched excerpts includes the book result even if it doesn't mention the railroad. I can't copy any excerpt to my message in case it's copyrighted material. I don't have the book, but checking the contents of the book and verify any matched text will prove if there's an infringement or not (I'm not assuming you have the book). [[User:TheGGoose|TheGGoose]] ([[User talk:TheGGoose|talk]]) 03:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Simon of Athens==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Heh ==

Just so you know, I do run across articles you've worked on from multiple other sources: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw#Articles_you_might_like_to_edit.2C_from_SuggestBot_2]. BTW, thanks for doing Simon and congrats on the DYK. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Louise Blouin and Louise Blouin Media pages ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, Let me introduce myself, I’m working for Louise Blouin Media and I’ve tried to add some information on both Louise Blouin Media and Louise Blouin pages for more than one year! All information I added were certified information concerning our group, our brands, our developments or our Chairman. I noticed that you removed or restored 75 times contents on our pages! I do not understand why all our posts were suppressed,as contents and sources were relevant and perfectly neutrally sourced. It seems that you have a personal issue with those pages and that you deliberately are trying to harm our reputation, which is not acceptable. Best, Lbm usuer2015 — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{tps}} Please read [[WP:COI]], especially the section on [[WP:COI#COI editing strongly discouraged|conflict of interest editing]]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Need Help ==

I wrote an article named [[OC Osilliation]] a well known musician in Zambia and Southern Africa and is currently in America working with well known musicians like [[Akon]]. My article has been tagged that my article '''may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music''' so I need you to help me correct this please you can do your search and you will see that he meets the notability of [[Wikipedia]]. Please review my work. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Icem4k}}! It looks to me as if that article needs more and better [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to establish notability beyond reasonable doubt; I searched Google news and gbooks under both his names, and didn't find any. At the moment, I'm not sure that the page would survive if someone were to nominate it for deletion. Please take great care not to copy content from other websites into Wikipedia. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:: [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thanks for your advice I will work on that. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==
I'd like to bring the [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] article back to life. Can you help me out on next steps? Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:I just noticed another note above. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! You are welcome to start on a rewrite of that article. Please follow [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minnie_J._Grinstead/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this link] to be taken to the right place for that. You may copy the structural elements of the article (the infobox, references, categories and so on) directly to the new page, but please take great care not to copy any copyright-violating body text, as that will make the rewrite useless. If you prefer, I can stub the article, which you can then expand as you see fit. Your choice! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Could you please stub the article? Also, do you know which source triggered the copyright violation bot? Thanks again. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah yes...[http://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/minnie-j-grinstead/11734 this one]. There's barely any biographical info on her. I'll give it another go. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Done, {{u|Magnolia677}}. Good luck with it! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion Flag for [[Young Rail Professionals (YRP)]] page ==

Hi there,
You have left a speedy deletion note on the wikipedia page. May I ask for a reason for this? I have received notifications from other administrators for deletions in the past. I have since updated the article and improved it to reflect a third party view. Would be much appreciated if you could provide feedback regarding the same. Thanks a ton! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.18.83.125|92.18.83.125]] ([[User talk:92.18.83.125|talk]]) 19:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|92.18.83.125}}, you appear to be mistaken – you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Rail_Professionals_(YRP)&action=history have not edited] [[Young Rail Professionals]], and your talk page has never been edited. As you can see from the large speedy deletion template at the top of the page, it is nominated for deletion for two reasons: G11, unambiguous promotion; and G12, unequivocal copyright violation (from [http://www.youngrailpro.com/about-yrp/ here]). The copyright violation is foundational (added with the first version of the article), so there is no clean version that it could be reverted to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Nigora goat article ==

Hello, I was wondering how the Nigora article may be edited to improve it? I created the original article for public consumption/education on the Nigora breed ten years ago, and I have done my best to keep it updated ever since. The stub that exists in place of the article now contains inaccurate information regarding the foundation breeds, which needs to be changed. It also does not contain any in-depth breed information. I understand there was some concern that copyright may have been violated by content in the article; can you explain to me where you feel this may have be done? I own the intellectual property rights to the information used. I am also the founding member of the American Nigora Breeders Assoc. and own the content found in the ANGBA website and elsewhere. I provide the information, and my time, on a purely voluntary basis; I receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for my work. As to conflict of interest, I suppose this would best pertain to the Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC (now defunct): There was a paragraph in the Wikipedia Nigora article which stated, "The American Nigora Goat Breeders Association (ANGBA) is not affiliated in any way with the "Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC" (NGBS) created October 31, 2013, nor does ANGBA endorse or approve the breed standards of the NGBS." The reason for this is it was discovered that NGBS was plagiarizing the ANGBA website and group content, verbatim, and a cease and desist letter was sent to the founder of the NGBS. Since the NGBS was disbanded in 2015 it would make even having mention of the caveat moot, except for the fact their closing has left NGBS members without paperwork on their goats, and these members are now contacting the ANGBA to find out why they have not received paperwork from NGBS. Please let me know how to best improve the Wikipedia Nigora article. Thank you. [[User:Irthumper|Irthumper]] ([[User talk:Irthumper|talk]]) 10:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Irthumper}}, and thank you for disclosing your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the [[Nigora]] goat. Please follow that blue link to read our guidelines for conflict-of-interest editors. In general, you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Nigora]], following the procedure outlined there. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to you or your association), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Copyright violations were added to the page with {{diff|Nigora|537210010|529498068|this edit}}, as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=537210010&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnigoragoats.homestead.com%2FNIGORA-GOAT-BASICS-101.html this useful tool] shows. Please use the talk page of the article for any further discussion. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:29, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Bobby Lockwood]] ==

I've noticed that all of the IPs adding [[WP:BLP]], quite possibly [[WP:COI]]-violating information to [[Bobby Lockwood]] geolocate to the UK (which is a tad obvious, I know), but the majority in the 86.* range, with some going into the 94.* range. Furthermore, this is quite clearly the same person as "Jasmine-Rioxox", as one of these IPs attempted to restore her version of the article - I had asked her in December to tweak the wording, which she did, and that exact wording was used in a restored version. What do you think? Is this worthy of being reported to an administrator? Perhaps page protection on Bobby Lockwood, under "persistent BLP violations"? I am interested in hearing your opinion on this matter. (On a personal note, I want to thank you for keeping an eye on the article. Much appreciated.) --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Chesnaught555|Ches}}! I don't know, but my feeling is that this is pretty low-level background noise, and that probably admins have more important things to deal with. If it shows signs of getting out of hand then perhaps semi-protection would be appropriate, we could ask. Meanwhile, thanks to you too for watching it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::No problem. Semi-protection may be the best way forward - I'll request that if any more of those IP addresses edit the article again. Some of the IPs seem to be single-purpose (by which I mean they ''only'' edit Bobby Lockwood). I will keep a look out. Thanks, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright in UCC ==

JL&N, I thought I would take this here from the talk page for ''Course of Dealing'' to lower the level of excitement. I don't know how to tell you this in a more polite way, but you guys are just '''''wrong''''' about copyright law. What BD said is right, and you are getting bad advice from somebody.

Cornell cannot possibly have a copyright interest in the UCC. I have been teaching copyright and patent law for 25 years at GW Law School in DC, and I don't know (and am pretty sure I have never known) any copyright scholar who would agree that Cornell has a copyright in the UCC. The UCC is a statute, a uniform law adopted in many states. You cannot have a copyright in that.

Cornell is simply lying if they say they have a copyright in the UCC. They are not its author and it was dedicated into the public domain about 40 or 50 years ago.

You need to get better legal advice if it is as you described it. Your current legal advice source is terrible if it is telling you that it is copyright infringement to copy statutory texts.

There must be Wikipedians who are US or UK copyright lawyers who will help you out if you need it on basic copyright law principles. I would. I am sure BD would, Ed Colins too. Probably Notecardforfree would. Greg Jack (Pickett) might. There are more. Thank you for your no doubt well intended contributions to WP.
:[[User:PraeceptorIP|PraeceptorIP]] ([[User talk:PraeceptorIP|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

{{tps}}{{u|PraeceptorIP}}, while the data itself might not be copyrightable, the work still can be, the web design, the typesetting (of hardcopy) and so on. Also, even if a work is in public domain, a copypaste is still plagiarism. (yeah, I'm one of those above too...) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

== Agree of course ==

I was just re-stating the warning box that D left. I had written out a long further explanation basically saying what you said, but after 3 e/c's it would be redundant and pointless to add now. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 00:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks – on the rare occasions I don't agree exactly with what you've said I tend to go ahead and say so, in full confidence that you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Good to see you back, by the way – there were "no crows here" not too long ago. Do you know the Stevie Smith poem [[Not Waving but Drowning]]? Sometimes I feel it describes our situation at the copyright boards … "much further out than you thought … and not waving but drowning". I think we need more people, but who? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:*Yes, I got flung to the far corners of wherever for job-related stuff, and took only my iPad. Great for browsing but horrible for CP/SCV type stuff, and far too easy to mis-click (one of the reasons I don't have Rollback)! Also, good analogy with the poem! It does feel like pushing a car with a rope sometimes, especially with MRG's vastly reduced time in those boards due to her new role. I've been keeping an eye open for new commenters on those boards to see if we can <s>shanghai</s> encourage them to help out, with no luck so far. Still, we few, we happy few, press on though! [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 18:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you very much for your helpful language support on the [[El Shahbaa]] AfD, which was closed as "keep." Your help was crucial. If interested, I spotted this today, is more up your alley than mine: [[Limousin_horse]]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 04:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

== Danny Lane ==

Hi there, thanks for your recent flagging of the problems with my edits to the [[Danny Lane]] page. I've now spent some time rewriting this page and fixing any issues that may have been unenyclopedic in tone or breached copyright. I have also made sure to keep your edits in the source code. I hope this all looks ok now, please let me know if there are any further issues. Thanks! [[User:Ljs90|Ljs90]] ([[User talk:Ljs90|talk]]) 13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you for your help/advice ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I saw that you remove the link to redirect from "Centre de musique romantique française" to "Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique". Actually he was right: Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique is the entire name of the institution. The palace and the centre are just parts of the same name. Could you please replace the link? Or is there a way to change the title of the page "Centre de musique romantique française" in order to add the other part of its name?
Many thanks in advance :)
--[[User:JoséphineKirch|JoséphineKirch]] ([[User talk:JoséphineKirch|talk]]) 13:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== You have deleted a reliable sources in my article ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I have recently added three references to the article Cropio. These references are from reliable sources. Explain me, please, the reason for deletion. Thanks! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Morena makarena|Morena makarena]] ([[User talk:Morena makarena|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morena makarena|contribs]]) 14:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 
:A few things for your consideration, {{u|Morena makarena}}:
:# The content you added was largely copied from [http://cropio.com/en/about/ here], as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=715058346&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcropio.com%2Fen%2Fabout%2F this useful tool] shows. That is a copyright violation, and not permitted here; persistent violations of copyright can lead to [[WP:Blocking policy|suspension of editing privileges]]
:# It isn't your article, it's Wikipedia's article
:# Please read the notice I left on your talk page with {{diff|User talk:Morena makarena|712479368|712469763|this edit}}; in brief: [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] editors are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Cropio]]. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to the company), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Often that "strong discouragement" takes the form of wholesale reversion of COI edits (I would have reverted your edits even without the copyright violation).
:# You can mention reliable sources that you have identified either on the talk page of the article, or at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cropio]], where they may influence the opinion of other editors – or indeed in both places.
:[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== Dealing with copyvio pages ==

Hi. I saw you dealing with copyright violations at [[Katie van Scherpenberg]] and wondered if you could help explain something to me. You've used the template requesting redaction of the revisions of the article that contain copyright material. The instructions at [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Dealing with copyright violations]] don't say to do that. It seems good practice though. Should I be adding that template when I identify copyright violations as well as putting a note on the article talk page, or is there some other process by which redactions are undertaken? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 21:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Cordless Larry}}! I think opinions vary on how important it is to revdelete after removing copyvio. My own thinking is roughly that if it's still in the history it's still visible to the world at large, albeit not so obviously as when it was in the article, whereas if it's been revdeleted only admins can see it. So yes, I think it's good practice, and I almost always request it as a matter of course (thus adding to the workload of, and trying the patience of, the few admins who handle such requests – who to date have been kind enough never to complain). It also seems to be a safeguard against mistaken, misguided or (occasionally) malicious editors restoring copyvio to the page. I think it should probably be mentioned in the instructions. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. I'm sure that I've requested revision deletion in the past, but when I've dealt with a couple of cases recently I consulted the instructions and didn't find mention of it, and was a bit confused about its place. I think your approach is probably a good one, and I agree that it would be helpful if the instructions had something to say how/whether to do this. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 22:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

==John Cabot University==
You're right-- I had misread it as saying that it "is accredited by ..." -- which was the wording of the original source they originally used for the copyvio. I definitely agree that the fact they previouslymade use of the former corrupt system is relevant. Thanks for fixing it up '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 03:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Your copyvio claims ==

{{Moved discussion from|my talk page|2=[[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)}}
First, many thanks for the "Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome to Wikipedia]]!" - as I've only worked on this project for almost 10 years.

Beyond that, I think it's clear that your tagging of my work has gone entirely overboard. Regarding the [[Suzi Bass Award]] article, everything was properly sourced and attributed. I noticed there are 14 links to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in that article. And because you think you have found matching phrases like "is to celebrate and promote atlanta professional theatre through the evaluation and recognition of excellence" which ''is'' verbatim the awards' stated mission; or phrases like "the suzi bass awards founded in 2003," which ''is'' when the organization was founded; or generic phrases like: "twenty one professional theatres," "the color purple," "professional theatre community," "the suzi bass awards inc," "participating theatres," and "suzi bass awards is a not for profit corporation," etc. does not constitute copyright violations. They are reliably sourced statements of fact. They are not editorial content.

Likewise, I have not edited on the [[Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] ''since 2012.'' Specifically, not since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Mitchell_%28photographer%29&diff=482051496&oldid=481147294 this edit] on March 10, 2012. So the fact that you would tag that entire page, ''four years later;'' after dozens of other editors have contributed - and with over 16 [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in the article, all because of ''one source'' you believe may be suspect? And because of generic matches like: "alvin ailey american dance theater and," "on photographing dance and dancers," "mitchell moved from florida to new york city," "his own photographs," "from 1960 to 1970," etc., - indicates to me the use of the duplicate detector tool with very little understanding of the discretion required to use it effectively. Once again, these are statements of fact. In some cases, they are proper names! They are not editorial content.

Additionally, rather than tagging these articles, you should have followed policy required by [[WP:DCV]] and addressed your concerns on the talk pages ''first''. I now see you have done the same thing by wholesale reverting my edits on [[Mike Nussbaum]] as well. Kindly revert your tags and state your concerns on the respective articles' talk pages, which policy requires. There they can be properly addressed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 10:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|X4n6}}, have you actually read [[WP:DCV]]? Talk page discussion is the '''minimum''' action that should be taken if copyright violation is '''suspected'''. In your case, the foundational copyright violations at [[:Suzi Bass Award]] and [[:Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] are a near-certainty, and the part of that policy that applies is:{{quotation|If the criteria for speedy deletion do not apply, you should blank the article or the appropriate section with the {{tlxs|copyvio|url{{=}}insert URL here}} template, and list the page at [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]]; see [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions|instructions]]. This will give interested contributors a week to verify permission for the text or propose a rewrite. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringement and no usable rewrite is proposed, it may be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]] by any [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]] or reduced to a non-infringing stub.}}
:So that's what I've done there. At [[:Mike Nussbaum]], the copyvio was added after the creation of the article, and the relevant bit of the policy is:{{quote|If ''all'' of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement or removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable, check the [[Help:Page history|page history]]; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should [[Help:Reverting|revert]] the page to that version.}}
:Which I did. Clear? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::* Thanks, but I do not want this conversation on my talk page. So let's keep it here. Regarding your question, have I read [[WP:DCV]]: I'll simply answer that the very first line of it is hard to miss, yet it appears that you did: <blockquote>"Handling of suspected violations of copyright policy depends on the particulars of a given case. If you suspect a copyright violation but are uncertain if the content is copyrighted or whether the external site is copying from Wikipedia, you should ''at least'' bring up the issue on that page's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|discussion page]]."</blockquote>

:::Pretty clear too. Correct? So I'm still waiting for you to remove the tags and discuss the ''specific'' concerns you have with each article on their respective talk pages. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

:::* I also noticed that you essentially [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=715883305&oldid=696813140 blanked] the [[Henry King Stanford]] article, before I assume, you had a moment of Zen and realized you had gone too far - so you restored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=next&oldid=715883625 some content] here. I also noticed that you accused me of copy & pasting from a [http://www6.miami.edu/advancement/NamedBuildingsGables.doc dead link]. But the worst thing you find there was really just [http://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/compare.php?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DHenry_King_Stanford%26oldid%3D155799497&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060902045612%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Flibrary.gcsu.edu%2F~sc%2Fcollections%2Fpres%2Fstanford%2Fstanford.html&minwords=2&minchars=13 1 out of 9] matches that could be viewed as too much. For that you could have easily just tagged that section, removed that content, or even (gosh!) just rewritten the paragraph. But instead, you blanked, then tagged, the entire article. But why you didn't choose any of the less draconian measures, you never explained. Again, it makes one question your judgment when it comes to the use of the detection tool. As for [[Terrelle Pryor]], I counted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrelle_Pryor&diff=prev&oldid=431880593 4 separate], reliably sourced and attributed, new sources in that edit: the [[Chicago Sun-Times]], [[Forbes]], [[Fox Sports]] and the [[Associated Press]]. But you're apparently accusing me of the copy & pasting [[hat-trick]] of lifting from 3 of those sources in the same 1 sentence. I also note that those edits are over five years old. So I really do find it extremely interesting that in none of the almost 1000 edits that have occurred at that article since - that no one, but you, has ever alleged a reason for concern. Extremely interesting indeed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 21:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wow, just wow. I stumbled across this after visiting [[User:X4n6|X4n6]]'s talk page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] is to be commended for his/her cool head dealing with this crap. The gall of talking to a copyright editor like this after several blatant copyright violations is unbelievable.
:::::Here, have a tiny barnstar! [[File:Resilient_Barnstar.png|30px|The Resilient Barnstar. I award the Resilient Barnstar to Justlettersandnumbers for always keeping a cool head. '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)]] '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

==Transporter Guy==
I quickly checked [[Glutamate-gated ion channel family|this page]] and found that a fragment of text starting from ''The GIC channels are divided into three types: (1) a-amino-3-hydroxy-5-n ethyl-4- isoxazole propionate (AMPA)-'' was indeed copied, however it was copied not from the patent, but from the corresponding [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.10 TCDB entry] (this user uses TCDB abstracts). Both the patent and the TCDB entry contain the same text. Given that TCDB exists for a very long time, well known, and is under free reuse license, I would think that authors of the patent copy-pasted this text from TCDB, without providing appropriate attribution. The same could be with some other alleged copyright violations by this user. Yes, I am pretty much sure that the copy from TCDB was taken by authors of the patent. Let's compare [http://www.google.com/patents/WO2002026805A2?cl=en the patent] with another TCDB entry [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6]. Both include same text (''each with N- and C-termini on the inside of the cell, two amphipathic transmembrane spanning segments...'') in another paragraph. Note that both paragraphs in patent that reuse text from TCDB do not contain any references, whereas other paragraphs contain references. If this is a copyright violation, it was made by authors of the patent. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 15:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, I think this all came from a review article published by Dr. Saier around 2000. But my time is up. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 17:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
:However, it was another way around in this case [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.1]. Here, authors of the TCDB database did a close paraphrasing (rather than a copy-paste) from an abstract from PubMed. ("Using all-atom molecular dynamics simulations, Jensen et al. (2012) showed how a voltage-gated potassium channel (KV)..."). The user copied this text from TCDB probably without knowing that the text was a close paraphrase of PubMed abstract. This should be fixed, but I do not think a few things like that warrant a full-scale copyright investigation.[[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Two other cases (holin pages) appear to be rather remote paraphrasing. If they are copyright violations is disputable. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}Hi, {{u|My very best wishes}}! A few things:
# The copyvio blanking template carries, in large clear letters, a message which reads "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent". Unless you fall into one of those three groups, please don't remove those templates from articles.
# You wrote on Grahm's talk page "I am not an expert in copyright issues ... One suggestion would be to creators of the database to change their license and make it standard GFDL." Please read [[WP:GFDL]]; as you will see, that licence has not been compatible here since 2009, retroactive to 1 November 2008.
# Please try a Google search for the string "The different channel (receptor) types exhibit distinct ion selectivities and conductance properties. The NMDA-selective large conductance channels are highly permeable to monovalent cations and Ca". You will, I believe, get hits (''inter alia'') for three pages: our article; the tcbd.org website; and a patent application dated 26 September 2001. Do you see any evidence that the tcdb page was created before that date? The earliest version on archive.org appears to be [https://web.archive.org/web/20100717020758/http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6 this], from 17 July 2010. It seems that tcdb copied from an earlier source, as it appears to have done quite often. That means that, whatever licence it has or claims to have, the affected content cannot be hosted on Wikipedia.
# Either [[WT:CP]] or the talk page of the article would be a better place than this to continue this discussion.
Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

== I hope this helped ==

I truly apologize for the mess up at DYK with [[Céline Gittens]]. As a further mea culpa, I went out and found a few more sources and added some material on her background and personal life. I hope it was helpful, and I will not be in the least upset if you need to revert anything I messed up. I got it up to about 2000 kb by the drpda tool, so that should make any reviewer happy. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if the DYK reviewer is waiting for you to "bless" my extra edits, but maybe pop by there and drop a quick note as to your position. Thanks. (And wow, she is really a very interesting young woman, a good topic for an article) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
::Those were very helpful edits, {{u|Montanabw}}, and nice extra sources. Thank you! I'd said I'd do no more to the article (it was a rescue after a copyright clean-up, not something I'd chosen to write about), but I added a tiny bit more after your improvements. And the mess-up, such as it was, was entirely my fault for not being clear that I intended to withdraw the nomination only if the initial length assessment was found to be correct. Thanks again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you. ==

Just a quick note here to say once again, thank you! While I may not yet be fully proficient to untangle the writhing snake maze of dealing with potential copyright violations, there is progress in the learning thanks to you. I appreciate you taking up the issue and for showing me how you did it too. Gratitude abounds, [[User:AD64|AD64]] ([[User talk:AD64|talk]]) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thanks for your help on fixing [[List of Jim Rockford's answering machine gags]] for the copyright issues. Since I am more or less retired as a Wikipedia editor, your help is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Maintenance ==

Don't you think it's time ''you'' applied for some more tools? Email me if you don't think it is and I'll try to convince you otherwise ;) [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== [[London School of Business and Finance]] and all its pomps and works ==

Hi JLaN. Just a heads-up that I have begun clean up of this article following the London College of Contemporary Arts discussion. The details are at '''[[Talk:London_School_of_Business_and_Finance#Clean_up|Talk:London School of Business and Finance]]'''. As I imagine my revisions will not escape the notice of the owner's brand managers, you might want to put it on watch. In the end, I also created a separate article on the owner, [[Global University Systems]], which you might also want to put on watch. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi There, rewrited the UiPath page you marked as copyright infringement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UiPath Could you please tell me if it's OK.
Best!
[[User:RoboticRPA|RoboticRPA]] ([[User talk:RoboticRPA|talk]]) 14:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
|}

==DYK for Céline Gittens==
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|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#15 May 2016|15 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Céline Gittens]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that in 2012 the Trinidadian '''[[Céline Gittens]]''' became the first [[Black people|black]] ballerina to dance the twin rôles of Odette and Odile in [[Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|Tchaikovsky's]] ''[[Swan Lake]]'' in the United Kingdom?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Céline Gittens]]. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-05&end=2016-05-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=C%C3%A9line_Gittens Céline Gittens]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

== Rejected draft: Churchill Retirement Living ==

Hi {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} - thank you for looking at the draft of the article on this company. I had submitted this article previously and revised the wording to address the issue of it coming across as promotional. I thought I had done enough to rectify this issue, but it looks like not enough was done. I would try fixing this if it weren't for the other issue of source material. I think I've already uncovered as many sources as are available at present and if these are insufficient, it's going to be difficult to successfully overcome the problem. The organisation is quite well known in their sector so it may be that more usable sources can be included. In any case, thanks for taking the time on this occasion. [[User:Fbell74|Fbell74]] ([[User talk:Fbell74|talk]]) 02:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== Supposed copyright violation at [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] ==

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that the History section of [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] contained a direct translation. I was very careful to cite the source and to use my own words. I don't believe anyone involved in the copyright violation 'investigation' actually speaks Portuguese. I can assure you that it was a good faith edit and that it was not a direct translation. Thanks. [[User:Giso6150|giso6150]] ([[User talk:Giso6150|talk]]) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Giso6150}}, that's always a tricky one when translating from a foreign-language source; it was my impression that your translation, though elegant, was directly from the source. I'll answer more fully there, though. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

== Other possible copyvios by the Harrison Smith IP ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.43.239.53 The IP] that was responsible for the copyvio recently rolled back on [[Harrison Smith (American football)]] made a few more edits around that time to other American football players. Seems some of them came from the players' university bios, just like Smith's, and were closely paraphrased. [[Duron Carter]] looks the most suspect. Also, a trustable user informed me that the IP apparently edits as [[User:Gcveintee]] now. [[User:Lizard the Wizard|Lizard]] ([[User talk:Lizard the Wizard|talk]]) 00:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for this reminder, {{u|Lizard the Wizard}} – I'd already started looking at other contribs of the IP. I've been able to be here only sporadically recently, and will now be away for a week or more; this will remind me to look further when I return. Meanwhile, do please blank and list any other copyvios you are able to identify, that'd be a big help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

==Intriguing Possessive Theory==
Noted your fascinating suggestion and wonder whether it deserves more than a moment's thought. I'm reticent; I might have to go to Land's End to find anyone else who supports it and time's precious. [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz}} 09:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:See for example W. Stannard Allen, ''Living English Structure'', page 17. But yes, there are a few customary exceptions – World's End, stone's throw etc. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry to say that this is just simply not a happening thing. At the same time, I confess I'm no expert on books designed for foreigners facing the challenge of English as a second language, though, which is to say I defer to sources like the Oxford Guide to Style, Chambers, etc., and recommend them in this instance. Your piece of information is simply fanciful. [[talk:sirlanz}sirlanz]] 09:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Alec Smithson sock ==

Thank you for your message, I've gblocked that account. Sorry for the delay.
:--[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you for that, {{u|M7}}! So, is there anywhere or any way to request or co-ordinate a global nuke of his edits? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Probably the best way is to ask to some active global sysop on Meta.wiki. Thank you, --[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

== Information missing! Jonas Burgert ==

Hi, I work a gallery that represents the artist Jonas Burgert and his page is missing a lot of information which keeps getting taken down when I try to include.

All of his exhibitions are missing and I wanted those to be added. Can anyone help with this?

[[User:Isa.aballi|Isa.aballi]] ([[User talk:Isa.aballi|talk]]) 09:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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== NHEG wikipedia ==

I noticed that my changes to NHEG page have been undone by you. I would like to resolve this by understanding why this was done. Please let me know. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 12:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
:I have reverted NHEG page to the changes I had made. Please don't revert back without explaining to me through talk as to what the issues are. We can resolve this without going back and forth on the wikipedia page. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 19:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
::{{u|Atchopra}}, I see that your account is very new. If you look at the [[edit summary]] I left with {{diff||726525859|726513903|this edit}}, you will see that it reads "Copyright violation of http://www.newheightseducation.org"; I also posted a long message on the talk page, at [[Talk:New Heights Education Group#Copyright problem removed]], which should give you some useful reading. Please do not add copyright material to Wikipedia again. Thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

== NHEG wikipedia ==

Thanks for explanation on copyrights. I also have another question. Why were external links removed? [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 01:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to [[Teahouse]]. I appreciate your help. I have made couple of changes on NHEG wikipedia. Please check and let me know if they are okay. I am learning and I don't want to make more mistakes. Thanks [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 15:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== CSD tag ==

[[Common communication format]] seems to match [http://www.netugc.com/common-communication-format-ccf this page] which has a CC license. But the material also matches [http://lispp.blogspot.com/2012/06/common-communication-format-ccf.html this page] and others, which claim copyright. How do we sort this out? (The lazy way is to say that it does not qualify as an article on other grounds)--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 12:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Sphilbrick}}! For once in my life I'm reasonably sure of my ground: the www.netugc.com page does indeed carry a CC licence, but it is a [[Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License]], and so is not [[WP:Compatible license|compatible]] for our (text-based) purposes. As things stand, that content can't be copied here. I believe that the G12 nomination was correctly based in this case and that both pages should be deleted ([[User:Nasirudheen]] too). OK, I've said my bit – now tell me what I've missed! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks - I sort of knew that but forgot. One of the things I have learned about myself is that it is easier to remember things if they make sense. I now recall seeing the table that specifies that 4.0 international isn't acceptable, but I never understood why. That's quite unfortunate, as I bet some select a CC license with the thought that it would make it useful for Wikipedia, and presume the most recent license should work. I see the footnote explaining that it isn't backwards compatible, but I don't know what that means (I know the generic meaning, not sure why it applies here). Do you know if there is a clear explanation anywhere?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

::Okay, maybe I can figure this out for myself. While in some cases, the rewording appears to be largely a rewrite of 3.0 with possibly some clarification, such as specific mention that any purpose includes commercial, other aspects are more restrictive. Specifically the 3.0 attribution does not require a link to the license but the 4.0 does. So I think this means that if I take some 4.0 text and use it in another website I have to attribute it and include a link to the license, presumably the 4.0 license. However, if I copy that material into Wikipedia which uses a 3.0 license, that page won't have a link to the 4.0 license and thus is in violation of the terms.

::Even this point is a little shaky. It doesn't explicitly say one has to provide a link to a 4.0 license, although it does say you must include "a notice that refers to this public license".

::Do you know if this is the aspect that gave the lawyers pause, or if it was something else?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I also see that I should've checked the talk page first as Dianna made this point. I have developed a habit of checking the talk page of G 12's, as they often contain some relevant information (most of the time just the usual statement "it's okay for me to use this because I wrote it"); sometimes something very relevant to the license issue. I failed to follow that habit this time which I should have.--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, I haven't tried to investigate whether a 4.0 licence '''could''' be used here, or if not, why not; nor offhand do I know of any discussion or explanation of that. What I gleaned from [[User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 57#U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit|this conversation]] was that a change of licence would be a site-wide change, and that until and unless that happens, 4.0 can't be used for text. The bit I find hardest to keep at the front of my mind, specially when looking at tickets, is that it's OK (or even preferred?) on Commons, but not compatible here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|Sphilbrick}} Hi guys, I'm actually the one (for better/worse) that got the WP:COMPLIC template updated. Apparently the verbiage of 4.0 says something like "content must be re-used under this same version or later", so using 4.0 text would not allow us to re-publish under 3.0, according to legal. The thread I brought this up on was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive_56#CC-BY_4.0]. The whole enwiki would have to change to 4.0 in order to source 4.0 text and re-publish, and from what I gather there's already a group on enwiki who oppose any re-licensing of their contribs, so no telling how that rfc would go. Commons is already at 4.0 so image use under that license is apparently ok, since we don't host those images but just basically link to them. Images hosted locally on enwiki would be 3.0 so again no problem. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 16:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, {{u|Crow}}, that's the conversation I was really looking for, not the slightly later one I linked higher up. This is going to keep coming up; perhaps we should make a shortcut or something for it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hello! I wanted to ask (sincerely, and not in a pain-in-the-ass way) where the policy is about deleting PAID COI articles via AfD? I do see that the Orangemoody investigation resulted in a bunch of deletions, as you describe. However to me that seems like a higher-level admin intervention-slash-cleanup job. I'm really curious to see where it is written that COI/Paid editing can lead to deletion at AfD. I've seen people say ''not'' to consider COI lots of times at AfD, but never the deltion policy you mention. Thanks in advance for your time! [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 21:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|HappyValleyEditor}}, I'm sorry to have been slow to reply to this. I don't think there's a policy, but I do think there's a precedent, set as far as I know in the Orangemoody clean-up; but from what I understand there were other forces at play there too, including socking and copyvio. The only discussion of this that I'm aware of is [[Wikipedia:Buy one, get one free|this one]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you for taking the time to reply! Happy editing. [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 22:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Hi, dear Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your help. Am going further with my translation and will notice you, when ready. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 20:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i guess, my page is ready to be moved. Would you be so kind to have a look on it? If something is wrong, i would be glad to hear it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gyanda/Heiner_Thiel - Thank you in advance!!! --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Precious anniversary ==

{{User QAIbox
| title = Three years ago ...
| image = Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
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| normal = ... you were recipient no. '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#Justlettersandnumbers|912]]''' of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious|Precious]], a prize of QAI!
}}
--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you, Gerda! I felt honoured then, and do again now. Three years, eh? – seems like yesterday. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I can't count: three years now ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 05:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Deleting mistake categories ==

Hi. If you ever make a category by mistake, as you did with {{cl|Montain_ranges_of_the_Apennine_Mountains}} - don't just blank it. If you tag it with '''<nowiki>{{db-self}}</nowiki>''' it will get deleted faster than if a third party uses the <nowiki>{{db-empty}}</nowiki> method and it's better to get things deleted than to have blank categories lying around. Cheers. [[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 13:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Le Deluge}}. Deletion of category redirects is not a topic we have much guidance on … so advice noted. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

== CopyPatrol ==

Hello! I know you are active in dealing with copyright violations, so I thought you might be interested in the new [[toollabs:copypatrol|CopyPatrol]] tool from [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]]. It combs recent changes and lists possible copyright violations. The interface should be straightforward; hit "No action needed" if it is a false positive, properly attributed quotes, etc, and "Page fixed" if it needed correction and you've done so (this would include tagging for speedy deletion). We plan to add more neat features like rollback, CSD tagging, and issuing of templates to the user's talk page. Hope you find this useful, and thanks for your ongoing efforts in this important area of work! :) — [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] [[User talk:MusikAnimal|talk]] 01:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

== RfA ==

Are you considering to accept an [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Justlettersandnumbers|RfA]] for yourself? Given your revdel requests as mentioned at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#RevDel advice]] and the work on copyvios, you could possibly become an administrator like [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] and [[User:MER-C|MER-C]], who also work on copyvios. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 15:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
:+1 to that. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
::+1 from me too! Go for it. --[[User:Patient Zero|'''Zero''']][[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']] 15:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

==Frida Kahlo==

Hello,

Sorry, didn't want to step on anyone's toes with my edits, but I thought that the sfn-format was standard these days so didn't realise that a discussion had to be had, as this has not been a problem in the articles I've worked on previously! I'm going to overhaul the entire article in the coming month, and would therefore be changing all references to sfn-format. I've now started a discussion on the article's talk page, please add your thoughts :) [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 20:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
:Sorry, I meant to drop you a note of apology. I'm away from home, only sporadic internet access, and I forgot. That was rude, if unintentional. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
::No worries :) I probably should've started discussing my GA intentions earlier, but the article seemed so stable (aside from the recurring vandalism) that I didn't think I'd get any replies. [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 22:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

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== Copyright violation help appreciated ==

Hello there, I noticed that large parts of [[FIFPro]] were directly copied and/or paraphrased from the official [https://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-history-first-meeting Fifpro] homepage which -I believe- is a violation of copyright? I would report it myself but all the guidelines and rules are a little too much for me. Perhaps you can help out? cheers --[[User:Havlicek stole the ball|Havlicek stole the ball]] ([[User talk:Havlicek stole the ball|talk]]) 10:27, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
: {{tpw}} {{Reply to|Havlicek stole the ball}} It is a copyright violation. I have removed the infringing text. Thank you for reporting. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 17:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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== [[Rosmah Mansor]] ==

Hi Jlan. Can you do me a favour? There's what looks like a viable draft of the above article at the subpage [[:Talk:Rosmah Mansor/Temp]] that could be moved into main space. Not sure what's supposed to happen next to get this draft into mainspace. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 14:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Diannaa}}! I'm away at the moment, with only very limited and occasional internet. But from what little I see, that temp page may not be as viable as it at first appears; I'm bothered by the degree of overlap [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Talk%3ARosmah+Mansor%2FTemp&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1 here], but perhaps you've already looked at and discounted that? As for the actual mechanism of moving one of those pages into place, I've no real idea how it should be done (except that it needs tools I don't have); specifically, I don't know whether a histmerge with the old version is needed, or if the replacement page starts a new "clean slate" history. But I'm pretty sure {{u|MER-C}}, who often does that task, will know and be able to advise (please?). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
::Good catch, it looks like that website had the content first, according to the Wayback Machine. I will take it out. Hopefully MER-C can take it from there. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 21:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:::The rewrite is still not clean, it contained a copyvio from http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-571969. At this point, I don't think it can be trusted. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 06:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
::::That was my impression, too, {{u|MER-C}}, based on the quick glance I took at it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

== Maremma Sheepdog / Pastore Abruzzese ==

I don't know why you deleted the many integrations that I provided to the article about the [[Maremma Sheepdog]]. I didn't provide the sources because it was just a work of translation from the Italian article. Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and dedication it took to edit the English article, which is a mess and it is very lacking?

First of all I would change the name of the article, for nobody in Italy calls that dog 'Maremma', but - even if the ENCI calls it 'Cane da Pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese' - everybody knows it by the name of 'Pastore Abruzzese' ('Abruzzese Shepherd Dog'). It's just the American shallowness that changed its international name on unknown basis. (You may want to provide sources for that)

Also, being that breed almost unknown to the rest of the world, I wanted to improve the article. And, in order to do it, it is impossible to get the countless sources that you would normally have for Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds, so the article necessarily needs to rely on the information provided by the Italian breeders and shepherds, respectively on their web pages and on Italian TV documentaries. That is why your necessity to make the article more enciclopedic falls apart.

You could have been right in deleting a few sentences of mine, but not the whole sections about the name, the origin, the Behaviour and the Training of the dog, which are easily verifiable and documented. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kid Hey GBE|Kid Hey GBE]] ([[User talk:Kid Hey GBE|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kid Hey GBE|contribs]]) 15:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC) 

:{{tps}}Kid Hey, you added a ton of unsourced, unreferenced material. Other wikis cannot be a source for each other —we need independent sources. If you know this information has sources, you most certainly can go to the sources cited in the it.wiki article to do so. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stewie Speer copyright issues ==

Hi - thanks for your message about this article, sorry for the delay in responding. I have followed your instructions and would very much like this article to be restored as soon as is practicable, so that I can edit and improve it. As per my multiple messages on the Stewie Speer talk page and my email to the Permissions today, I hereby confirm that I, Duncan Kimball (Dunks58) am the author of the original Milesago article from which it was adapted, and that I am the creator and principal author of the website Milesago.com. Thanks for your feedback, hope this will resolve the issue. If there is anything else I need to do to facilitate this, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 04:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

== Ban'ei article ==

If you would be kind enough to tag sections with 'citation needed' needing improvement in that article so I could concentrate improving them. (Foreigner has bad english, sorry.)
[[Special:Contributions/88.114.91.37|88.114.91.37]] ([[User talk:88.114.91.37|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Luca Bestetti]] ==

Apologies. I had no idea. But now I see a whole litany on this editor in your Talk Page history above. The article subject still seems notable. Seems a shame. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:Nothing for you to apologise for, {{u|Martinevans123}} – if anything, I should be apologising to you. This is a pestilential long-term abuser of the good faith of other editors, and as we know the only possible way to deal with that is immediate, unconditional reversion, so I hope some kind admin will act on that soon. There's of course nothing to stop a bona-fide editor from recreating a page on the same subject. Pinging {{u|Lucas}}, {{u|Yopie}} and {{u|M7}} in case any of them want to look at sock edits on other projects (or add the new ones to the global ban, perhaps?). {{u|MikeV}}, you blocked [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alec Smithson/Archive|one of the earlier ones]]; do you see any value in a check-user request here? EthanSanders and Sergey7 are unmistakable socks, but there could also perhaps be others? Thanks to all, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ping {{u|Mike V}} following fail above. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::... ah yes, Mike V's hot on [[SOX gene family|socks]] - I should know. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC) 
:::EthanSanders and Sergey7 are {{confirmed}} to each other. The previous socks are technically stale. As for a behavioral connection, I see a link to the master account so I've blocked them as socks of Alec Smithson. [[User:Mike V|Mike V]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|Talk]] 23:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. Yes, that [[Broken Idol|broken Italian]] did look a bit [[Costa Concordia disaster|too broken]]. Do you think [[Luca Bestetti]] is notable and worth saving? Of course, I can't re-create it until it has been deleted (?) Or maybe eagerly taking over a topic from a sockpuppet would taint my pristine reputation? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, {{u|Mike V}}! Do have any thoughts about the creator of [[Luciano de Liberato|this]]? – there's some overlap of area of interest. {{u|Martinevans123}}, I just haven't looked at the importance or otherwise of Bestetti – my interest here is in limiting the damage of a long-term abuser, and to that end it might be preferable if the page were not immediately re-created (assuming it ever gets deleted, that is), in order to [[WP:DENY]] him the satisfaction. But you'll do as you think fit; you might like to note that '''nothing''' that person writes can be trusted. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, I must admit, I had assumed that Bestetti had at least been born. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Page Deletion - contested but ignored]] ==

Hi. My page was marked for deletion for various reasons to which I contested. Apparently, that was a waste of my time. Not sure why you're able to contest if it doesn't warrant further discussion. Nonetheless, is the page completely deleted, or can it be retrieved? I was in the middle of revising it to better meet the guidelines. I declared my conflict with the article, and did not agree with the notion that it was for promotional purposes, based on the fact that the subject is notable person. If you had read the revised version, before deleting it, you would have noticed that ALL sources were newspapers and/or magazine articles or repute. I had requested in my contest for assistance on direction and or help with the article itself moving forward. I would still like that assistance, if the article can be re-instated for revision and review. Please advise. I can understand wanting to ensure all content on the site is proper and legitimate, but if a page is created under my account as a draft, and not in the public domain, I'm not sure why it has to be deleted and can't simply be revised and re-reviewed. Please let me know what can be done. [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC) [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you can't copy copyright content from elsewhere on the web into any part of Wikipedia, including your own userspace; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not permitted here. Also, you should not be attempting to promote your relative here, regardless of whether or not she is [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards (I don't know if she is or not). If she's important and interesting enough, some uninvolved editor will eventually create a page about her; please have the decency to wait until that happens, and refrain from editing it if it does. Sorry if this seems harsh; on the bright side, there are more than five million articles here, many of which are in dire need of improvement. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] - biased user ==

Two days ago I inserted information reported on the New York Times "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation." to the page at Roberto Gagliardi

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] removed this insertion within minutes and once again censored information found on accredited sources for unclear and unjustifiable reasons. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] then proceeded to remove the main points from the page, stripping it of its most important parts that are well-sourced and have been on the page for some time.

The actions of [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] are not based on facts but on personal presumptions and he does not act by the book but by his own standards.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] has continually censored (over several months), not only the sentence "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation" but other important facts from highly reputable sources known all around the world such as "La Nazione" (in the top 5 Italian newspapers) the Evening Standard, the Council of Chianciano Terme and Saatchi Museum's "Art and Music" official printed magazine (among other sources). These sources deemed the information in the public interest in Italy, the USA and the U.K. but [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] strangely decided that the information was irrelevant or found some other reason to remove it.

People on wikipedia are published due to their personal and professional achievements. Once a person is deemed as notable, personal and professional information of certain stature is relevant if, of course, is backed up by reliable sources. This user has disputed very prestigious publications (who deemed the information notable enough to publish) and has demoted information as not fit for an encyclopedia due to its professional and personal nature when such facts are exactly what a page about a notable "person" are all about.

This user's contributions seem to have been carried out with the intention to remove the foundations of this page with the aim of eventually having it totally removed. This user has failed to have the page removed already once but continues to undermine the page by gradually eroding the page of its content.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] undermines the foundations of Wikipedia and damages the integrity of thousands of other administrators, deleting the truth and betraying the bonafide of other wikipedia collaborators. In carrying out his censorship based on prejudice and in ignoring the facts, he is acting against the moral principles of Wikipedia.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] , from an analysis of his actions on this page, can be defined as unfit to collaborate with a serious organisation like Wikipedia due to lack of proper and independent judgement.

It has become clear that the desire to demonstrate his power as censor has overshadowed his important duty to remain unbiased and serve the truth.

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.131.238.35|81.131.238.35]] ([[User talk:81.131.238.35|talk]]) 16:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Giorgio Petrosyan, External links ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, please tell me why the external links was removed because it is useful to the visitor and provides additional information about the fighter? (https://234fight.com/mma/giorgio-petrosyan-wiki-profile/) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 20:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 
:Er, no, {{u|AndeeF}}, that page is of no interest to Wikipedia readers as it is copied (without the required acknowledgement!) from Wikipedia. An IP, 93.171.160.105, [[WP:LINKSPAM|spammed]] a [[Special:Contributions/93.171.160.105|lot of links to that site]]. I removed them and left a warning for the IP editor. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, how do you know which pages are not interested in (?), you are interested in fighting? According to my statistics (Statistics website) Visitors switched from wiki spend on site of more than one minute, which shows the interest !!! I can provide real proof. Wiki copied in part, whether in the presence of reverse links on the wiki count on a return link to the article? Ta! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 23:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Social Discovery Ventures. Copyright ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures) is a translation from russian article https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures . [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Then it would require [[WP:ATTREQ|copyright attribution]], {{u|MoscowFF}} – which I see has now been provided by {{u|JJMC89}}. That leaves the question of how your translation happened to use some of the exact words of another website (one possible explanation is that you each independently used the same translation tool to translate the Russian-language page). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for answering my previous question. Could you tell me what should I do to restore this article? Or maybe I should just wait while issue are resolved? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 10:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Could you say, may I edit the article by myself to replace the disputable part? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 13:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::: This has already been answered on my talk page. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 16:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Fernando Carcupino]] ==

Hi JLAN. As you have probably seen, I grew tired of reverting the sub-stub and expanded it today. I'm sure it won't be long until [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|our friend]] shows up to "improve" it further in his own special way [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:Well, well, well, true to form he showed up in the dead of night (Italian time) under the guise of the Telecom Italia IP [[Special:Contributions/82.58.82.206|82.58.82.206]]. I've reverted the edits and left a note on the talk page about the "honours" and need for better referencing before adding them. Keep an eagle eye on it. I will too, of course. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 05:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::I saw, {{u|Voceditenore}}; you seem to have established notability where I was doubtful. As for the nuisance, I think the best thing is to avoid any interaction at all other than immediate reversion of all edits. And yes, I'm watching ... Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, I have no intention of interacting with him. Besides, his IP is dynamic, shifting constantly, and when he gets bored of [[Telecom Italia]] he switches to [[WIND (Italy)|Wind]]. He went on a complete rampage between the 10th and 12th of this month, not only here but also globally ([https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=82.54.66.110], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=95.236.167.246], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=79.13.112.103], etc.), including the Italian Wikipedia where he snaffled my new text for Carcupino while adding his own inimitable touches and of course monkeyed with his innumerable Natoli articles. He even has stuff on Simple Wikipedia. I've duffed him in to the admins there [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5477035#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user]. Onwards and upwards. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 10:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

==[[Bharti Dayal]]==
Its not an autobiography ! its a knowledge update on Wikipedia and to Wikipedians !Required <nowiki><ref></nowiki>has been given now you edit as I am not a good editor. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bharti Dayal|Bharti Dayal]] ([[User talk:Bharti Dayal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bharti Dayal|contribs]]) 09:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|Bharti Dayal}}, if you are [[Bharti Dayal]] you should not (in general) edit the page about yourself – that is [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]] and is strongly discouraged. If you are not that person you should not be using her name and should [[Wikipedia:Changing username|change your username]] immediately – please see [[WP:IMPERSONATE]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

== FYI ==

See the Administrators' Notice Board on Simple English Wikipedia [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5491283#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user here] for the latest onslaught. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 17:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

== CCI case for Josephlalrinhlua786? ==

Hi JLAN, I'm just following up on a ping that JJMC89 dropped you on his talk page. Copyright stuff ain't 'zackly my forte, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on how to deal with {{noping|Josephlalrinhlua786}}, and specifically whether or not you think a CCI is warranted. This guy was indeffed circa August 2016 for copyright violations, and I recently indeffed him when it became apparent he had continued the copyvios. Some examples:
* At [[Westworld (TV series)]] compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westworld_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=742200105&oldid=742130602 these] to [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hbos-westworld-100-million-price-934347 this reference].
* He was a major contributor at [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]]. Some obvious plagiarism includes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742458060 this content] which matches content found [http://www.forbes.com/sites/dongroves/2016/10/02/biopic-of-indian-cricket-hero-m-s-dhoni-scores-big-in-india-u-s/#3c9a7f038b85 here].
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742854381 Here], we see:
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it."
:compared to
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it." found [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Disha-Patani-learnt-an-endangered-tribal-language-for-M-S-Dhoni-The-Untold-Story/articleshow/53783925.cms?from=mdr here]
I'm confident there are many more examples like this. I just choose not to clutter up your talk page with them. Anyway, your input is appreciated. Regards, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 20:25, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}! Yes, I think you should almost certainly request a CCI for this user (based on what you say – I haven't looked in depth at his contribs). While the general rule of thumb is a minimum of five examples of infringement, it's my feeling that a CCI request should be more or less automatic for any user indeffed for repeated copyright violations (unless there are really few contribs, of course). A big advantage of a CCI investigation is that it gives us the "authority" to presumptively remove all content by the user without needing to check each edit individually. In the case of [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]], the page could be rolled back to {{oldid|M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story|742403086|this version}}; that removes a lot of content, but at least we'd be (reasonably) sure there's no remaining copyvio. I see {{u|JJMC89}} has removed a good deal already; I do slightly wonder if there's any more lurking (I might try to take a look if I can ever find a bit of time do dedicate to Wikipedia). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::I appreciate your thoughts, thank you. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Araucana]] ==

Hi - that large block quote from the 2008 study seems very much overkill, especially in the light of [http://scicultchickens.org/sites/scicultchickens.org/files/uploads/PNAS-2014-Thomson-4826-31.pdf this] 2013 report.

"Significance

Ancient DNA sequences from chickens provide an opportunity to study their human-mediated dispersal across the Pacific due to the significant genetic diversity and range of archaeological material available. We analyze ancient and modern material and reveal that previous studies have been impacted by contamination with modern chicken DNA and, that as a result, there is no evidence for Polynesian dispersal of chickens to preColumbian South America. We identify genetic markers of authentic ancient Polynesian chickens and use them to model early chicken dispersals across the Pacific. We find connections between chickens in the Micronesian and Bismarck Islands, but no evidence these were involved in dispersals further east. We also find clues about the origins of Polynesian chickens in the Philippines"

That source is also used in [[Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories#Claims involving chickens]], a section which is a mess - the two paragraphs need combining. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Doug Weller}}, it's been a while! Yep, it seems excessive. I've not finished there by any means. I plan to remove essentially all unsourced material, but want to add some more sourced stuff before I do so. And yes, the other article has essentially the same material twice over. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks, sounds good. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

== Help on a request edit - Louise Blouin page ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, could you please help me on my request edit on Louise Blouin page. I made an request edit on 08:23, 24 March 2016 (UTC) on the talk page about the Philanthropy part and I have no news. I would like your assistance on this. Thank you in advance for your help. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 

== Request to investigate ==

[[David Israelite]]'s first revision is a copyvio. However the copyvio seems to have been edited out. I have to go now. I know you do lots of good work in this area so if you could investigate how many revisions need RD1 I'd be grateful. Thanks, [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|BethNaught}}! It didn't seem to me that the foundational copyvio was completely removed (Earwig was still giving me a good deal of overlap, though some was from job titles and the like). I removed everything and rewrote from scratch. I think all previous revisions should be revdeleted, and have added a request to the page to that effect. Please feel free to over-ride that if you don't agree. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::I've carried out the deletion. Thank you for your effort rewriting it! [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 06:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Infobox horse breed ==

Instead of reverting the edit you could have just fixed the obvious typo... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]/[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|What I been doing]]) 20:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, indeed, and if there'd been anything remotely obvious about it, I might have tried to do so. By much the same token, you could have taken a fraction of a second to preview your botched edit and see that the example right there on the template page was displaying a duplicated image, and so fix it yourself (the Preview button is there for a reason ...). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I've figured out how and when I can block IPV6 ranges. Brad Watson (Miami) will hopefully find block evasion a bit more difficult for the next 3 months. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, that's good! We need that sort of stuff like we need a hole in the head … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

== Help ==

*[[Karachay horse]]. Myself and another editor took an initial whack at cleanup, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karachay_horse&type=revision&diff=749147220&oldid=748654475] but the editor is apparently both a newbie and English may not be first language. Tons of Russian language links, possible copyvio on the new material. Given the language issues, this one looks like it's up your alley. Good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! I don't speak or read Russian, but I had a quick look anyway. It seems to be better than many of our articles. I think the sources would need checking by a Russian-speaker (one seems to be a farm, so is probably not RS). The main question seems to be whether the breed actually exists, and the article seems at least to assert that it has official recognition. It'd be good to find some confirmation of that … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

== New Page Review needs your help ==

Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}},

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at [[Special:NewPagesFeed]] of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although [[WP:NPR|New Page Reviewing]] can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at [[WP:PERM]] and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at [[WP:NPR]] and [[WP:NPP|the new tutorial]].

''(Sent to all active AfC reviewers)'' [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


== Nazaire Group ==

{{Ping|Justlettersandnumbers}} - Hello Justlettersandnumbers, I wanted you to know that I am a resident of Long Island, and fond of conglomerates and groups. I am writing about businesses, and organizations as a 3rd party contributor, informing through cited material information of organizations and groups, raging from Alphabet Inc., an American multinational conglomerate(owners of Google, etc.) to lodges & secret societies, such as Independent Order of Odd Fellows.

== Resolving issues on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University ==

I tried pinging you, but I am not sure you got the message, so I am just restating what I put on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University:
I have raised what I believe are legitimate issues on the Talk page concerning:

Car collection
Courses section
Fashion Week reference
Online courses reference
Accreditation reference

Instead of responding to what I believe are logical arguments presented in cooperative language, @Justlettersandnumbers: ignored me completely, until he/she finally dealt the “COI” card. I believe this is an “ad hominem” attack, as per [[Paul Graham (computer programmer)|Graham’s Hierarchy of Disagreement]], if not actually name calling, going against the fundamental Wikipedia policy of “[[assuming good faith]].” Perhaps it has been a problem that I have posted anonymously, and therefore have not gained respect, so I am now a registered user, to ask one more time, for Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs) to address my concerns, which I feel are legitimate, before I take these issues to Dispute resolution.[[User:Freespeechman|Freespeechman]] ([[User talk:Freespeechman|talk]]) 07:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Challenge ==

Hi, excellent work! I moved the Swedish ones to [[Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic)]] though. That list will be copied every 100 entries into the European one so it'll rejoin that soon enough. Hope this is OK. Happy editing!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 21:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Dr. Blofeld|Dr B}}, I wasn't sure where to list them – now I know! Your challenge is much-needed stimulus to this lazy editor – thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Well you're doing some terrific work, always good to see content coming in for different countries!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 22:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you re italics ==

Thank you for bringing to my attention the rule that there should be no italics for proper names. - [[User:Blairall|Blairall]] ([[User talk:Blairall|talk]]) 18:18, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
:Well, {{u|Blairall}}, it's perhaps more of a guideline than a rule – certainly it's very widely and routinely ignored here. Your edit drew my attention to that page, where I made a couple of small additions – so thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

== [[WP:ACE2016|ArbCom Elections 2016]]: Voting now open! ==

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== Double redirects ==

Please have a look at [[Wikipedia:Double redirects]], particularly {{tq|"Wikipedia's MediaWiki software is currently configured to not follow the second redirect"}}. When you {{oldid2|750627688|created}} [[Smaland (cattle)]] as a redirect to [[Småland (cattle)]] (itself a redirect), you made a double redirect, which does not work.

You may be misreading [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]]: "Articles should link to these redirects. Do not retarget links to these redirects directly to the article to which they redirect." This is guidance to editors not to change links (within articles) that link directly to the redirect. In other words, "don't change <nowiki>[[Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki> in an article into <nowiki>[[Swedish Red Pied|Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki>". On the other hand, it is essential that double redirects be resolved to the eventual target page, because they simply doesn't work otherwise. Hope that makes sense now. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 22:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the trouble to post here, {{u|RexxS}}. Everything you say makes sense if you choose to read it in that way. But the advice at [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]] does not actually specify links '''in articles''', just links in general. What I wanted to do was create redirects to the "redirects with possibilities" that I had created (I can't write those articles myself because (1) I don't have access to a high-quality Swedish research library and (2) my understanding of Swedish is anyway pitiably poor). The bot has re-targeted those redirects to [[:Swedish Red Pied]], which doesn't really help anyone to find that article, but does make my intentionally-created redirects much harder to find. I don't want the software to follow the second redirect, i want people to be taken to the potential new article, and then have to follow with a single mouseclick if they're not interested in creating it. I don't know how that accords with all our "rules", but I do know that it is intended to expand the encyclopaedia. I think the bot should be told not to "fix" double redirects if the second one is "with possibilities". Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 02:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

== SILVA ribosomal RNA Article ==
Dear Justlettersandnumbers, I tried to update the following article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SILVA_ribosomal_RNA_database which is partly wrong and completely outdated, but my efforts resulted in blocking my account and deleting the information I added. So I would ask you to delete the whole entry - better no information in Wikipedia than wrong and outdated information. I do not know who started the entry, but obviously it was not maintained. Many thanks.
Frank Oliver Glöckner, PI of the SILVA project. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/194.95.7.19|194.95.7.19]] ([[User talk:194.95.7.19#top|talk]]) 16:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi, Dr. Glöckner, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry that your first experience here was not a good one – unfortunately, that can happen. There are a number of things you can do:
:* The account {{u|Silva wikipedia}}, which edited [[SILVA ribosomal RNA database]] on 18 November, is blocked only because the name is not allowable under our rules here – no editor may contribute under the name of an organisation. The owner of that account can request a change of username at any time. Or you can create an account for yourself whenever you like.
:* Once you have an account, you can, if you wish, nominate the SILVA page for [[WP:AfD|deletion]]. I think its fairly unlikely that that would succeed – you would need to show that the database is not widely discussed in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]], and thus is not [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards, and I think that would be hard to do. I don't have the necessary power to delete the page, and even if I did, there'd need to be consensus to delete before I could use it.
:* In any discussion related to SILVA you should make it clear that you are connected to the project; there's guidance on this [[WP:COI|here]].
:* You are always welcome to propose or request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page, [[Talk:SILVA ribosomal RNA database]].
:Please ask here if you have questions or if you need help getting started. Wikipedia particularly needs and values expert editors, so I hope you will stay with us. Please be aware that in Wikipedia, as in academia, one cannot simply copy material from other published sources and post it here – we try quite hard to protect the copyrights of authors. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

== Städelschule ==

Hi, you recently edited the article on Städelschule in Frankfurt am Main. Working at Städelschule, we translated our German version of the article and uploaded the English one recently. Unfortunately I cannot read your comment to the edits in full length. What else - besides the copyright infringement - was your concern?

Kindly,
Marie — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MarieEgger|MarieEgger]] ([[User talk:MarieEgger#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarieEgger|contribs]]) 16:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi! {{u|MarieEgger}}.Thanks for making clear your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the school; please follow that bluelink to read about that, and read the section I posted on the talk-page wtih exactly that title. Also, please don't remove the copyvio blanking from the article again: you don't have that right, and repeatedly doing so could lead to trouble. Please wait patiently for the matter to be sorted out – which i'm afraid may take some time. If you translated the dewiki page, you must provide attribution for that content on the talk-page – please see {{tl|translated page}}. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

== kathiawari horse ==

hello justlettersandnumbers i am equine expert from gujarat state of india, kathiyawad is the region in gujarat known for its horse and are named after it as kathiyawadi horse, there are many mistakes on kathiyawadi horse article which should be removed, so you should help me to correct it, not remove it. the title "kathiawar" is totally wrong spelling and information are very short and unclear. so please try to help me in this contribution by not reediting the kathiyawari horse article. please do this favour, i hope you will understand — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:24, 2 December 2016 (UTC) 

=== please try to help me if i am wrong ===

article like kathiyawadi horse, kathi darbar, chetak are well researched by me for 10 years. i am from the area where kathiyawadi horse are found and have information about it. second this is that i belong to kathi community who have developed this breed and are still owner of kathiawari breed. i am trying to help wikipedia about this information. but i am poor in english language, so i can not express my information properly so please try to help me, i am not your enemy. there are many mistakes about article — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 05:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC) 

:I'll do what I can to help, {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}. Please understand, though, that you will have to get used to our way of doing things here. For example, your first step after your edits have been rejected should not be to make the same edit again, but to '''start a discussion on the talk-page'''. Until you do that, I very much doubt if any progress will be made at [[:Kathiawari]]. Also, please take great care not to copy content into Wikipedia from other sources, as you did for example {{diff|Kathi Darbar|752602396|752600503|here}}, unless you are '''absolutely sure''' that it is suitably licenced for use here (in which case you must provide [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia|attribution]]). In that particular case, the GFDL licencing of the page is '''not''' compatible with Wikipedia – you can't copy from there. I'll leave an invitation to the Teahouse on your talk-page; you could also try asking at [[WT:Wikiproject India]] if there is anyone who could help you with language. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

::Just a drive by comment, Aniruddhbhaidhadhal posted to my talk page, and I moved that conversation over to his so others might also assist. I explained my concerns with the edits. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I see now the pattern, this supposed politically correct person, have had some issues against horse/cattle breeds before.
Mr Justlettersandnumbers, you deleted plenty of information on a wikipedia page that doesn´t belong to you and that you didn´t created it (it happened the same with me).
Next time, you should start a discussion on the talk page yourself, before destroying other works that took years from them. You never set a foot on the ground, to study and research these cattle and horse breeds yourself, so respect other works. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.37.171.168|188.37.171.168]] ([[User talk:188.37.171.168#top|talk]]) 17:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC) 

== kathiywadi horse ==

sorry but i do not want to promote anything,( i am not from that community) but only want true information to be displayed, can we add this

"horse derives its name from the region kathiawar,mostly prominence of kathi darbar community,this people are the main breeder of the horse so proud are the kathi darbar of their mares that they rarely sold them (source:-1884 Gazetteer By Bombay Presidency Vol8 Kathiawar, page 89)" — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC) 

== BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected ==

'''AfC Reviewers''' are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on '''Thursday 8 December''' for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See [http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38219838 BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon]. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) ([[user:Kudpung]] for [[WP:NPR|NPR]]. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


== Undiscussed moves of Italian abbey articles ==

Why have you moved so many articles on Italian abbeys from their standard English language names, at which most of them were stable, to Italian names, with no discussion whatsoever? You were wrong to do this - see the standards on use of English article titles, common names (in English) and so forth: you were presumably unaware of them, or you would not have caused so much damage. Please move them back again. [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Eustachiusz}}, I reversed a couple of [[WP:CUTPASTE|cut-and-paste moves]] and several undiscussed page moves, all performed without discussion by {{u|Rococo1700}}. Our [[WP:AT|article title policy]] is completely clear on this matter: "Do not ... use obscure or made-up names". If you disagree with the current name of any of those pages, please start a [[WP:RM|move request]] in the normal way. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry - I should have checked more carefully. Most of them are on my watchlist and when your moves all showed up en masse I assumed the worst. Best wishes, [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 23:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Just as I moved some of those articles from one name to another, you have done the same. Some of those articles were first written by me, and I agree with the WP article title policy, that I should now have named them the way I did. You can start a [[[WP:RM|move request]] to move them back. But as it stands the category of Italian abbeys has some abbeys called all the following ways:
*Abbazia of so and so
*Abbey of so and so
*So and So abbey
*Monastery of So and So
*So and So abbey

We need a consensus. Other categories for other countries provide a template. Please provide an argument that substantiates your position and do not just revert the names given by author on a whim. For example, [[Abbey of Santa Maria delle Macchie, San Ginesio]] should be [[Santa Maria delle Macchie abbey, San Ginesio]]. If you wish to change this, please use [[WP:RM|Move request]]. I will post this to User:Eustachiusz also. It is always good to see who is interested in a certain topic.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

In my view there has been no standard in nomenclature for naming abbeys or monastery. When in doubt, see what is customary: In reviewing Category:Benedictine monasteries:

the German category (137 pages) and the American site (39 pages) follow the sequence of ''(Name) abbey'' or ''Abbey''. The French category (115 pages) uses both the sequence above or Abbey (Name). No consistency. The Spanish category favors monastery (since abbey has no direct translation in Spanish) and ''Monastery of (Name)'', which mirrors Spanish language grammar.

In looking at the choices, I prefer the German and American naming system, it seems the most consistent, and gives the primary name primacy, always helpful.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Incorrect Copyright Claim - Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia Page ==

Hey there Justlettersandnumbers, the 4 books referenced from links on Amazon.com mention the subject Charlie Zeleny and actually public domain information referenced in the original Wikipedia page article that has been up for over 5 years on the subject Charlie Zeleny. It is common knowledge that the subject is in fact a pro drummer, music director, producer and solo artist. The Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia page has been up for over 5 years (last major update 2011 prior to 2016) and looks like it was actually referenced in the Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography, Volume 1 by Miloslav Rechcigl Jr. which was released just recently on November 10th, 2016.

Here are multiple sources stating that Charlie Zeleny is an American drummer, music director, producer and solo artist:
* http://www.paiste.com/e/endorser_det.php?page=bio&endorserid=4606
* http://www.futurecomposer.com/2010/12/01/musician-profile-charlie-zeleny/
* https://www.discogs.com/artist/690830-Charlie-Zeleny
* http://www.protectionracket.com/artists/item/charlie-zeleny
* http://pearldrum.com/artists/drumset-artists/charlie-zeleny

Please remove the incorrect copyright claim when you get a chance. Also, please let me know if I need to change the reference to Amazon's books in any way to avoid this issue in the future. Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/100.35.194.25|100.35.194.25]] ([[User talk:100.35.194.25|talk]]) 14:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Hello all of my edits were taken down from a page I edited for not citing plagerism. I am confused because I cited my sources correctly. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Destrest|Destrest]] ([[User talk:Destrest#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Destrest|contribs]]) 03:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Destrest}}! I reverted your addition to [[Ousmane Sow]] because you copied large chunks of text word-for-word from [http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/3337667.pdf this article on JSTOR]. Please read the message I left for you on your talk-page about this; if you have questions you can ask there or here. Just to be completely clear: it doesn't matter whether you've cited the source or not, you can't copy from it. You have to write in your own words. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Happy Saturnalia! ==

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== Horse breed infobox ==

Not sure why the infobox on the Kathiwari article formatted so strangely; perhaps just because no photo. As far as a "proper" infobox, if you have ideas for things to change at {{tl|Infobox horse breed}}, feel free to pop over there and initiate a discussion. If adding a separate parameter for height range is one idea, I'm not completely opposed, though clearly there is the issue of the partial truce that I definitely do not want to stir up again. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:The other animal breed infoboxes, which are based on {{tl|infobox animal breed}} have, among other things, parameters for conservation status, distribution, height, weight and coat colour, all of which I'd like to see added to the horse one. I don't know why horse <s>and donkey</s> got left out when all the others were updated. I might try to sketch out something in a sandbox and invite criticism. Meanwhile, yes, let's keep waving that white flag. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Nordeus talk page ==

Can you please check out [[Talk:Nordeus]] so we can try to work things out. Thank you.--[[User:Serbianboy|VuXman]] [[User talk:Serbianboy|talk]] 09:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I think you deserve this for cleaning up articles, [[Calum Graham‎]] in particular. Thought it would be a simple thing to do, but I noticed it was a lot of work. So here's a thank you for taking care of articles like that! [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[User talk:Nettrom|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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:Thank you, {{u|Nettrom}}! That's very generous of you, considering that what I did there annihilated the work you'd already put in to improve it. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== Buon Natale! ==

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'''May you have very Happy Holidays, Justlettersandnumbers'''

'''and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and panettone!'''

''Best wishes, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)''
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== Alexandre Mars‎‎ ==

Thanks for your attention to [[Alexandre Mars‎‎]] and finding that copyvio. I'm not sure if you saw the discussion on the article's talk page or on [[WP:COIN]], but Mars' PR director, {{user|Jennepicfoundation‎}} has been running roughshod over that article. I'm hoping to get a few other voices commenting on this paid editor's conduct. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] ([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]]) 15:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

{{user|Justlettersandnumbers‎}} Thanks for your help with the copyright info. I've replied to the post on Alexandre Mars's talk page.

== [[Aequale]]s ==

You're quite right, I have no idea what the group is playing in the picture. They are clearly a trombone quartet, but that only meets the very broad definition of an aequale, as a piece for equal voices or instruments, which is not really what the article is about. I have inserted a more clearly-associated illustration: a score of a 19th-century trombone funeral quartet. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 19:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

:I think that's much better, thank you, {{u|HLHJ}}! Personally, I'd much prefer to see a historic edition there rather than a modern one, though. I seem to have a copy of a nineteenth-century Breitkopf print of the same works, presumably downloaded from IMSLP (it carries the date of composition, 2 November 1812 – the Day of the Dead in that fateful year). Would that be better? If so I can easily upload it. I don't know the full publication history of those pieces, but as WoO they were presumably not published in Beethoven's time; nor do I know if there's an extant manuscript. The edition I have might even be the first printed edition. Regards, seasonal wishes, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

::That sounds great. It could be used to illustrate [[Old Cathedral, Linz#Music]], as well. Please do, when you have time. I've made an [[:commons:aequales|aequales category on Commons]], so if you stick it in there, then if anyone prefers to read a modern text they can find both easily. A recording would be marvelous, but I haven't found a suitably-licensed one yet.
::Incidentally, the [http://www.indiana.edu/~trombone/trombone_choir.html#sounds Indiana group] lists some pieces they've played, including [[Václav Nelhýbel]]'s "[[Tower Music]]", arranged for eight trombones, which seems to reference the aequale tradition. They've posted some recordings of Canzon Septimi Toni No. 2 by [[Giovanni Gabrieli]] and suchlike, too. [http://alanmswanson.com Alan Swanson] has posted a score and a recording of his "Equale per quattro tromboni, “Academic Discussion in Groningen”", but it's not very 18th-century, nor, obviously, public domain!
::[http://kimballtrombone.com/2009/07/28/trombone-history-beethovens-drei-equali/ Will Kimball's trombone history teaching page] also has a section on Beethoven's "Drei Equali", with a primary source in translation. Thanks for telling me that it was composed on the 2nd of November; I was wondering if it was a response to a performance. Best wishes for the holidays! [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 21:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I'll try to upload it soon … but see below! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Hello again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]]. I hope you had a nice Christmas. I found the original public-domain text of the document I quoted in the aequale article (in blackletter, here: pp.20-21 [http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN689342624&PHYSID=PHYS_0031&DMDID=DMDLOG_0001 page], [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/GBQX4QRMTF2ANNAAIWAI4PW6DAR35YTF record]). I hadn't considered the copyright on such a short translation; good catch. I post the original text here, followed by my own translation:
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In der ersten Klasse wird bei Ankunft der Geistlichkeit durch eine kurze Trauermusik (''Equal'') mit Posaunen oder andern Blasinstrumenten das Zeichen zur geistlichen Trauerhandlung fuer die Anwesenden gegeben, nach deren Vollendung sich der Leichenzug in bewegung sesset, welches wieder mittelst der blasenden Trauermusik angezeigt wird, mit welcher dann waerend des Zuges die Gesangmusik, die ein drei- oder vierstimmiges ''Misserere'' singet, abwechselt bis zum Eingange der Kirche oder Grabstaette, wo der Einsegnung der ''Vers.: Requiem aeternam'', gesungen wird. Nach erfolgter Einsegnung und dem allgemeinem Gebet wird eine Trauer-Motette gesungen.
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For first-class [funerals], the arrival of the clergy will be announced by a short mourning-music (''Equale'') played on trombones or other wind instruments. This will mark the beginning of the funeral service. After this, the funeral procession will set out, again suitably announced by mourning music on wind instruments. During the procession, this shall be played alternately with a three- or four-voice choral ''Misserere'' until arrival at the entrance of the church or graveyard, where the Requiem aeternam is sung in benediction. After the benediction and common prayer, a mourning motet is sung.
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::::Have you in the meantime found a professional public-domain translation? I'm sure a professional translator intimately acquainted with the funerary rituals of early 19th-century Linz would do a better job, so if you have, please post that. If not, could you please put this quote into the article, with the original text in a footnote? [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|HLHJ}}, as you may have seen, I have answered there. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Happy Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year ==

To all who watch or visit this page:

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My very best wishes for the Christmas holidays and for the New Year. For family reasons I will be on Wikipedia only infrequently (if at all) for several days from now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

==Holiday card==
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|''"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind youThat Dad Time be your friend from here to the endAnd sickness nor sorrow don't find you."—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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== Let's clean up some beef! ==

Thanks for {{diff|Template:Beef|prev|758179932|your edit to Template:Beef}}. Please help me update the articles removed from the navbox by removing the navbox from them ([[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]). [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 23:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your support! I made a BOLD edit, and have followed up with a rationale on the talk-page. I was thinking of waiting for some reaction there – perhaps for a day or two – before cleaning up as you suggest. But please do as you think fit. I certainly would be glad to see it gone from the breed articles – it collates a mass of trivial or irrelevant topics and so serves essentially no useful navigational purpose. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
::Incidentally, what do you think of a beef cattle breed navbox? Is it worth making, or would it be superfluous to [[:Category:Beef cattle breeds]]? [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 20:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi, {{u|Ibadibam}}! As I (more or less) said on the talk-page there, I believe that the idea that cattle breeds can be categorised into a single use is only really going to be applicable to a small minority of mostly industrial-type breeds, and that the vast majority of breeds round the world are probably dual- or triple-purpose – not counting modern "uses" such as vegetation management and heritage conservation. It's also often a very modern categorisation, as many breeds were used as draught animals until the second half of the last century; a breed like the [[:Chianina]] has two thousand years of history, and has been a "beef breed" since the 1980s. Where I live, the last working cattle disappeared less than thirty years ago.
:::So I think that navboxes based on geographical criteria alone are more likely to be useful. I've made quite a lot of these (I think most of what is in [[:Category:Domestic animal breed navigational boxes|here]] other than the British and dog topics). But why don't you suggest this at [[WT:FARM]] and see what others think? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'm not that invested in the idea; just sussing out your opinion. I think the existing navboxes are more than sufficient. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 21:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I restored the beef cattle category on the Piedmontese because they are considered [http://www.piemontese.info premium beef producers] and are established as a foundation breed (F1) for beef cattle (F2). I understood that Category: Beef was intended for food, but cattle that produce both beef (F1) and dairy products (the latter of which is actually a secondary trait world-wide for this breed unlike Holsteins) should not eliminate them from being categorized as beef cattle. The F1 bulls and cows are used far more often in beef production than anything else. [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 23:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:Doing a drive-by, keep in mind that navboxes don't have to be 100% bidirectional; that's a guideline, not a policy. [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] has had a lot of drama over that questions. It is, in my view, perfectly appropriate to keep the beef navbox on beef cattle breed articles as a secondary box to a navbox on cattle breeds or whatever. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, agreed (on the first bit) – notice that I haven't said anything about bi-directionality here or at [[Template talk:Beef]]. But you don't need to be a genius to guess which way an RfC would go if there was to be one.

::À propos, I think it's time to pre-emptively turn {{tl|Equine}} into a portal or something – it too introduces a mass of only marginally relevant links to a lot of breed articles, and makes a very inviting target for those who enjoy trying to enforce guidance as rules. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::Heh, there was a major spat at WPEQ over someone who removed it from all 400 breed articles -- and I think before that there was a huge spat about including it! But we have a portal. [[Portal:Horses]] (maybe it should be linked on the navbox, it's in the project tag at the talk page, but readers don't go there. Dana boomer created the portal and I maintained it for a while after she left, but got a bit tired of doing so. At present, it is useless for navigation because all it can do is link to the category tree, which is a mess. I rather like our navbox, actually; though there is room to tweak some aspects, we do need a navbox that is an overview of the equine project, from breeds to activities, etc...IMHO. I think that navboxes that are too narrow are of no real benefit to the reader. But that's a discussion for the WPEQ page. What I do think we need is to take a look at the complete anarchy that is the category structure and whether there is a way to make that more sane. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

==Unrelated topic==
We probably need to have a broader discussion at WPEQ over whether putting "History" or "Characteristics" first in breed articles should be standardized or on an article-by-article basis. The latter may be the best approach, but the problem is when it's a fine line. (i.e. long history sections before describing appearance can be discouraging to the younger reader that often is the primary consumer of horse breed articles. I flipped one on the Kathiawari due to its prior GA status, but most of the time, the distinction is not a big deal because the articles are short anyway, so no long sections to discourage the reader. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Just noticed ==

You may want to take some of the material in [ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a1250e/annexes/List%20of%20breeds%20documented%20in%20the%20Global%20Databank%20for%20Animal%20Genetic%20Resources/List_breeds.pdf this source] with a grain of salt; while it may be accurate for stating something is an endangered breed, it listed the [[Waler horse]] as an extinct breed, which it most certainly is not ([http://www.rbta.org/the-waler-horse/], [http://www.walerhorse.com], [http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/horses/australias_horses/waler_horse], etc...). The same report also lists the "Palouse" as a breed of Australia -- and that is an old name for the American [[Appaloosa]] (see [[Palouse River]]). They also classify the "[[warmblood]]" as an Australian breed. I presume they got their lists from the DAD-IS or something? (big sigh) These governmental agency reports that get relied upon are absolutely terrible. (You've heard me rant about the USA "breeds"before... the "[[cow pony]].," "[[broomtail]]" and the "[[cayuse horse|cayuse]]" listed as breeds? Arrgh) Anyway, just letting you know that these international agencies may have a [[GIGO]] problem with their data. They are more RS than the fan breed pages you have diligently been trying to deal with (and thank you), but they are kind of worrisome. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:Er, yes, I know that! The database just holds the data submitted to it by each country, and "Breeds currently recorded in the global Databank for Animal Genetic Resources" (2007) is based on that data (the title is a hint!). So of course it's only as good as the data itself. It is indeed really surprising if the National Animal Germplasm Program of the USDA Agricultural Research Service doesn't know anything about American horse breeds, but if it doesn't that's hardly the fault of the FAO! Looks as if the Trade and Market Access Division of the Australian Government Department of Agriculture isn't much better. Fortunately, many countries do manage to report their breeds accurately, often with useful and detailed information. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::It appeared that the list of breeds data was from the same sources that the FAO DAD-IS gets theirs? ( i.e. national ag agency reports...?) At least, the USA list looked similar to what the FAO has... so, maybe my question is this: Which nations, in your view, have proved that they do a good job and which ones appear to delegate it to their most junior woodchuck? Seems, to me, overall, that the larger first world nations seem also to be the worse "offenders" with their listings. I suspect that the poor third-world nations might actually do a lot better? Your thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Mostly, as I said above, I think countries submit good and useful data; too often, even if the data is there, I find that it would need deeper knowledge than I have to interpret it (the various Mongolian horse breeds, for example). As I recall, Germany over-reports (almost 200 horse breeds IIRC), which makes it relatively hard to sift the useful data from the useless. Somebody (France, perhaps?) reports every plumage variety of each chicken as a separate breed – not really helpful. Because the reporting is done by government agencies or ministries or whatever, breeds without official recognition are quite likely to be omitted. Anyway, why not try a strongly-worded letter to the USDA, telling them what you think of their reporting of horses? (reporting of cattle looks pretty much OK). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Sigh. Surely you jest? Change the USDA report standards? Have someone who knows what they are talking about compile data? I wish. They have stuff that's 25 years old and never updated (I suspect the reason they list some extinct breeds is because they've copied over records dating to the 1800s...) The problem with the USA is that we are so fond of non-regulation of "free enterprise" that we don't care if breeds are officially recognized or not except where there is an import/export thing going on where we agree to recognize stud books from other nations for the purpose of importing "purebred" animals (follow the money. In the USA, always follow the money) -- there is no licensing of breeding stock done by the government, the only thing that is seriously regulated are issues surrounding disease transmission and food safety. And the regs for "recognized breeds" are... [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-9.pdf hopeless] [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf], [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf]). As a result, we have laws like [http://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0810/chapter_0040/part_0020/section_0100/0810-0040-0020-0100.html this one]-- with no further definition or guideline. Sorry, I'm ranting. But here's my favorite of the day: [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009019 1500] "Wild"Mustangs? But [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009015 30,000] "Spanish" Mustangs? (Most modern Mustangs have small amounts of Spanish blood, though there are a few remnant populations that are near-pure -- but the stats from the USDA to the DAD-IS really should have been flipped...) Sorry, went down a rabbit hole. It's really rather depressing. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Adamson University - RD1 ==

Thanks for that one - only 1725 revisions had to be deleted to get back to April 2008! :-) [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 12:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm really sorry, I did realise it was going to be a lot of work – that's why I only vaguely asked if it should go all the way back to the first copyvio on 15 September 2005‎! Many thanks for dealing with some of these, not many people do (and it's not hard to see why not). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
::Not a problem, doing them in batches of 250 did test the software or my laptop though. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 17:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright "violation" issue ==

Hi - so sorry for my previous lack of repsonse but I have only just come across your message to me, re copyright issues. For the record, I am Duncan Kimball of Sydney Australia, (dunks58). I am the co-founder and copyright owner of the milesago.com website, and I am the editor and author of most of the material therein (unless otherwise stated there). I am anxious to ensure that the contributions in question can be retained in the relevant articles. I am happy to undertake whatever procedures are necessary. If you could please advise how to go about this, I would be most grateful. Thanks and best regards, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 15:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:Hi there, {{u|Dunks58}}, I was hoping you'd get in touch. Here's where I think we are: an email about this was sent to OTRS about six months ago, but it wasn't in itself quite sufficient for us to accept as permission. Someone (not me) replied to it asking for some clarification, but as far as I can see no reply was ever received. I'll forward the email to the sender. It has the number 2016081910002945 in its title; as long as that is quoted in any reply we should be able to join up the dots. We're also going to need a full list of all articles that contain content copied from that site – I hope you'll be able to help with that? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

::Justlettersandnumbers and {{u|Dunks58}}, there's a notice on milesago.com [http://www.milesago.com/MainFrame.htm here] that all material is authored by Duncan Kimball unless otherwise stated and that all of Kimball's material is released on CC-By-SA 3.0. Isn't that enough as long as cross-checks are made between the WP articles in question and the pages on the website where the text comes from to verify that no other author is credited? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 15:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Certainly looks that way to me, {{u|Voceditenore}} – many thanks for finding that (it's not on any of the many pages of the site that I've looked at, perhaps because they were archived versions). Provided it covers all subpages of the website (Duncan?), all that's needed is to compile a complete list of all our pages with stuff copied from there, and then add a suitable attribution statement to each. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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== [[Nina Menkes]] article ==

I just kinda stumbled across this article in a very indirect way. I guess you could say I have a very minor interest, but not a conflict of interest here. In any case, I'll probably work at the article slowly over a couple of weeks. I may ask a very good editor to help a bit. In any case let me know if you have any objections to any of my edits. There's a lot of material and a lot of COI there, so I'll se what I can do. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 20:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me, {{u|Smallbones}}! I've not much interest in the topic, but no desire at all to see people trying to use our pages to promote themselves, so I took a brush-hook to what was there. There's been socking as well as the COI, by the way. She's clearly notable, it shouldn't be too hard to find some factual information about her (not that I managed to find much). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 21:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Claus Drexel ==

Thanks for letting me know. I think it got moved along with the main page, I certainly didn't intentionally move the talk page and now I know if it ever comes up again to uncheck that box. [[User:Katharineamy|Katharineamy]] ([[User talk:Katharineamy|talk]]) 20:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:It's surely not your fault – it was misnamed from the start. Now [[Talk:Claus Drexel (filmmaker)/Temp|tagged for deletion]]. Normally, it's the ones with /Temp at the end that have a special function. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
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--[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron11598]] [[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] 07:35, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== Italian singer ==

Looked at a fairly superficial review like a probable keep to me, but I cannot read the foreign language sources, figured you would have some credibility on this discussion: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aura D'Angelo]]. My own view open to change pending further info... [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Charles Adelson ==

You marked this page for speedy deletion on the grounds of alleged CSD G10 problem. Please explain to me why you think the page "attacks, threatens or disparages." It is a neutral and well-sourced page about a notable figure, whose fame is primarily in connection with an ongoing murder investigation of a prominent Florida law professor. I checked Google News a few minutes ago and found 43,800 hits for Charles Adelson, mostly related to the murder. If you feel something in particular "attacks, threatens or disparages," please remove it. The decision to remove the entire page is inexplicable. Indeed, the only threat I can see in connection with the page is your threat to block me from editing on the basis of a false accusation of having created an attack page. [[User:Knowitall369|Knowitall369]] ([[User talk:Knowitall369|talk]]) 00:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:Well, that seems to have been resolved by the deletion of both [[:Charles Adelson]] and [[:Wendi Adelson]]. I've also reverted some edits at [[:Dan Markel]] that appeared to be unduly negative about living people without proper factual references. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
== RfC requested about tags ==

I have [[Talk:Roger Gosden#RfC of COI written article|requested RfC]] to address the issues you raised with maintenance tags. I am obviously not the right person to address said tags. — አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 19:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:As has been pointed out to me this is not the proper use of an RfC. However, I converted it a normal discussion and would like your input before I request that the tags you placed on [[Roger Gosden]] be removed. Simply, placing a [[Template:COI]] on an article without explanation on its talk page is a violation of policies in [[WP:COI]] and is even highlighted in the documentation of the template. Please join the discussion.— አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 04:57, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

== References on Robert Orledge ==

Hi, I note you reverted my changes to the references on [[Robert Orledge]]. I don't have any problem with reverting to the untemplated format for references, but is there any reason to keep a dead link (the Liverpool university one) when a one line stub (after removal of all the copyvio I found) has 2 references to support it?— [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 09:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
:In my personal view, very little, {{u|Rodw}}. I was thinking of the guidance at [[WP:KDL]]. But please do as you think fit. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

== Consensus ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. When making an edit that causes drastic changes to a Wikipedia article, especially one that removes a large amount of information created by other users, such as your recent edits to [[Pekin (duck)]] please discuss it on the article's [[WP:Talk page]] first. Doing this allows other editors to discuss the potential changes with you, so you can be sure that [[WP:Consensus]] has been reached, as this is a Wikipedia standard. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 04:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:Errm, {{u|EditSafe}}, there was already consensus on the talk-page that the article needed to be overhauled. Please see the section [[Talk:Pekin (duck)#Wow]], where three editors agreed on exactly that. You were one of them. I suggest continuing this on that page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::I do not think that anyone wanted you to remove all of the content and replace it with a short section of your own like you did. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

I don't think you have much to apologize for. It is true, in general, that new users tend to be met with hostility and that it's a problem that this drives away what could otherwise be useful contributors. I just don't happen to think that was what was happening in this case. But if you have evidence to the contrary, maybe it is I who should apologize. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:40, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== North American Piedmontese ==

I don't understand why you removed so much information from the NAP article and made accusations that the information was promotional or it was a brand name, or whatever else you stated as the reason for removal. What you did was not unlike removing information in an [[AQHA]] article about double-registered paints and palominos, and calling Quarter horses a brand name. Your questions on the TP of the article leads me to believe you didn't do any research before you started removing information. I updated the few dead links and provided more links - which you could just as easily have done rather than delete and add tags. <s>I think the right thing to do in this case is for you to go back to the article and self-revert or replace all the information you removed from that article.</s> [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC) Strike on 16:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== revision made on the Lloyd Klein Page ==

Hi Just:
I am hoping I did not delete the recent paragraph that cites a recent personal issue that made tabloid headlines regarding alleged attacks on Mr. Klein and subsequent arrests revolving around the incident. The contributor (kbabej) who wrote the article should know better as she or he has contributed substantially to wikipedia biography articles. It seems to me to be a clear violation of wikipedia rules regarding posting potentially libelous and defamatory posts regarding living persons. I did a deletion of that edit as it has repercussions of great harm to the LLoyd Klein brand which was separately listed from Mr. Klein the person but merged into his biography page. As you I know I am closely involved with the topic and do not want to break the COI rules about interfering in an article, however I do recall that the rare instances that such an action is permissible is when it is one that is of defamatory nature. Your advice and guidance is appreciated.[[User:Fashionator|Fashionator]] ([[User talk:Fashionator|talk]]) 00:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your note, {{u|Fashionator}}. I can't look in detail now, but anything sourced only to the ''Daily Fail'' should be be removed without hesitation, and removing unreferenced or poorly-sourced defamatory content from the [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]] is not just permitted but an obligation. I'll try to look more carefully when I've had some sleep. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Article Redirection ==

I noticed you just placed a redirect on the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utrechts-Alblasserwaards&redirect=no Utrechts-Alblasserwaards]. Should you do the same then for the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hollandic South Hollandic] and other dialect-related articles lacking sources? Wishing you well, [[User:Tezamen|Tezamen]] ([[User talk:Tezamen|talk]]) 21:50, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Tezamen}}! I just happened to come across that one short stub. It had no references at all, so I redirected it. With suitable sources it could presumably become an article. Please do the same at [[South Hollandic]] and other similar pages if you think that appropriate. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Hi, I have reviewed the copyvio notice on the article [[Emma McClarkin]] and have removed all parts that were directly copied from other websites. Please remove the copyvio box. --[[User:Dimi z|dimi_z]] ([[User talk:Dimi z|talk]]) 13:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, further to the above comment, has there been any movement on this? Many thanks for your help. We are new to this but want to make positive contributions. [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 10:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Alexwikipediaedits}}! There's an OTRS ticket relating to that page, which I'm hoping someone other than me will handle. Unfortunately there's quite backlog (around 500 tickets last time I looked), so a little more patience may be needed. Unfortunately the rewrite by {{u|Dimi z}} (which should have been done at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Emma_McClarkin/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this page], not in the article itself) does not seem to be useable – see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Emma+McClarkin&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Femmamcclarkin.com%2Fabout-me%2F this comparison].
:Just one thing: why do you refer to yourself as "we"? You should know that Wikipedia user accounts are strictly for individual use – if there's more than one of you, you must each make your own account. Am I right in assuming that you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to McClarkin? If so, you must declare it – I'll leave a note on your talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Sometimes its easy to get lost in the everyday & lose sight of the little things you have done along the way. I just wanted to thank you again for your gentle encouragement & help in 2015 in creating my first article. Apparently I have now created enough valid articles to have "autopatrolled" permission. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 04:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for this, {{u|Find bruce}} – it was my pleasure! I remember that article, though not the actual name of the cyclist (of course I could easily look it up). As it happens, I've seen your name a couple of times, and have looked to see what you've been up to – which seems always to be the law. That we managed to retain a valuable editor after an initial minor setback isn't such a "little thing", though – it's really crucial to the future of the project, and something we often get wrong. I'm truly pleased that you're still around, and that you took the trouble to post here – thank you! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
::law, politics, history, cyclists & fish - what I enjoy & interests me is an odd mix, never managed to find more than 3 in one article. The cycling articles are a lot of work finding reliable information, so I do them only occasionally. For me its mostly about finding the overlooked aspects whether it is whole articles or cleaning up tables & references. In writing that, it seems to be true for most editors - finding the combination of what needs to be done that corresponds with their interests. Cheers, [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 10:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

== About [[Thomas Campbell (Australian politician)]] - good outcome, and thank you ==

Hi, Justlettersandnumbers, 
* Short version: the encyclopedia is better because of this.
* Long version: [[n/a|not applicable]], see the short version.
Pete AU aka --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Many thanks for flagging a potential copyright issue for the Emma McClarkin page. Further to Dimi's edits, are we able to remove this copyright notice? Now that we are fully aware of the protocol, we will make sure we adhere to it. Thanks [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 17:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Rolf Gindorf ==

Thanks for taking care of the copyright violation problem at [[Rolf Gindorf]]. I'm still rather new at this, and I wasn't sure if I should remove the material altogether or try to get someone who could read the German articles to try to fix it. I asked for advice at the help desk but the result was not very helpful (mostly because I phrased my question badly). Glad to have it cleared up, and to have some idea of how to proceed in the future. Cheers! [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 18:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
:What you did achieved the desired result, {{u|Leschnei}}, so thank you! There's whole article to be rewritten there if you're interested, but it might indeed be easier for someone who reads German. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Johann Adolph Hass]] ==

Hello,

On 5 February you posted a close paraphrasing tag on the above article. I have attempted to reword it a bit, could you take a look at it and if it's better remove the tag? Thanks. [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 20:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Jdcooper}}! I put that tag there because someone emailed OTRS about the close paraphrasing, and it didn't seem to me to be quite bad enough for the copyright problems board (on reflection, I could have been wrong about that). I've had a look at what you did, and at the original Grove article and … well, I'm still not happy. If Grove says "It was large instruments such as these that so many later 18th-century German composers had in mind, with good Bebung effects, discreet volume and a fairly bright tone", then our article simply cannot read "It was large instruments such as these that many late 18th-century German composers (such as C. P. E. Bach) had in mind when composing for the instrument, with good bebung ability and a bright tone". I've convinced myself, that's a copyvio, I'm going to go and fix it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::Ok, fair enough. I didn't fix that bit because I didn't understand it! [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 10:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, that's certainly fair enough, {{u|Jdcooper}}! – I don't think many people know what ''bebung'' is, or indeed what a clavichord is, for that matter. Thank you for what you did to improve that article, and for reminding me that I'd put that tag there. There's a '''lot''' more to be written about him if you are interested, he seems to be much more important than our article implies. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm glad to hear that! But me, I'm a clean-up gnome. I will add him to my watchlist and leave it to the experts :) [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 11:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

for pointing me to http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/09e06a12.pdf. It was a good reading experience. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 19:44, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:My pleasure, {{u|PigeonIP}}. It's good to see you around. I haven't yet looked at the Paul-Erwin Oswald pages you recommended, but thank you for the links. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== Palazzetto Bru Zane ==

Thank you for your comment on my article. I was not aware of the fact that the inclusion of 'original research' (or just personal knowledge) is not suitable for Wikipedia and that the official homepage of an institution does not count as an appropriate source - I see the point that it is not independent even if it is reliable and verifiable. However, I found most of the general information about the foundation's activities in mostly German newspaper articles (where I got to know it in the first place). It would seem odd to me to add a reference to every single sentence (they organise concerts, they publish CDs, and so on), but would the article be acceptable with these newspaper articles given as sources? I could also delete the information that is only available via the homepage; I only strived for thoroughness in adding those and I thought mentioning say the Internet radio might just be as rewarding for the interested reader as it was for me when I came across it. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 17:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, {{u|CharlesVilliers}}, content added here should normally be supported by independent references unless it is really unlikely to be challenged. As a general rule, we don't normally just overwrite someone else's article – though it does sometimes happen if the existing text is really poor. I don't think that's the case here. Also, I've asked for the page to be moved back to [[:Centre de musique romantique française]], on the basis that the centre (which is, what, six or seven years old?) is a separate topic from the [[:Casino Zane]], which has three or four centuries of history, and deserves a page of its own. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you again for your quick reply. The name of the foundation/organisation/centre is indeed ''Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique française'', even if it may seem counterintuitive. Not only their homepage and the logo confirm this, but also newspaper articles such as this one, see the first sentence: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/feb/23/mehul-uthal-cd-review-deshayes-beuron-bou Just as you put it, ''Casino Zane'' may be the most appropriate name for the building itself, while ''Centre de musique romantique française'' rather acts as a subtitle explaining the nature of the organisation. I invested some time in writing this article and very conscientiously checked all sources I could find. I will try to edit my version with giving these sources more precisely. Concerning additional information that is to be found on their homepage and is also very unlikely to be challenged - do you strongly advise against including it? [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 18:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:::{{u|CharlesVilliers}}, the best place to discuss this is the talk-page of the article, perhaps you could take it there? It would be polite to invite comment from {{u|In ictu oculi}} and perhaps some of the other editors who wrote the content that's there now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Hello, and thank you for your improvements on the article. Glancing over your edit summaries, I get the impression that you are quite upset with the previous and maybe the current state of the page. You have every right to do so. Still, I find expressions such as ″this is an encyclopaedia, for heaven's sake!″, ″uninspiring opera″ or the term ″hijack″ you used in the move discussion inappropriate and directed rather to me as a person than strictly limited to the matter. I regret you had a rather harsh attitude to all my additions, which were meant to be constructive; for example, you removed the mention of the [[Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles]] as unreferenced, while at least one of the given links draws this comparison ([[http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2009/10/08/venise-capitale-a-distance-de-la-musique-romantique-francaise_1251171_3246.html?xtmc=bru_zane&xtcr=13]]). As a new member, a [[Wikipedia:Please_bite_the_newbies|newbie]], I think I deserve a more respectful, kinder treatment. I had to adjust and am still adjusting to the change from reader to editor. I personally think it's great what the Palazzetto is doing—otherwise I would have had no interest in writing about it—but I was very aware to keep a neutral tone. English is not my first language so I may not always have succeeded. But as I understand Wikipedia, suboptimal phrases can continuously be improved by everyone and that's what I was hoping for to happen. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 13:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your close attention to the editing history of the article on David and Simon Reuben. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
|}
:{{ec}} Thanks, {{u|Edwardx}}! But it seems I've still not finished there, there's more. Working on it now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Someone really needed to get on top of it, and well done for doing so. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

==Reuben Foundation==
Just stumbled across [[Reuben Foundation]]. Looks like the same COI editor may have added problematic material. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, that'll be next. What a mess! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thanks! [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

[[File:Cute grey kitten.jpg|left|150px]]
thanks for creating 'geometry of fear', well organized and very informative page.

[[User:Allthingsgo|LairdUnlimited]] ([[User talk:Allthingsgo|talk]]) 19:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:Thank you, {{u|Allthingsgo}}, I'm pleased to hear that someone has read it – almost all those people are so very thoroughly forgotten! I started that short page when I was writing about [[Robert Clatworthy (sculptor)|Robert Clatworthy]] and found we had nothing on them. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

== Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. ==
[[File:Peacedove.svg|60px|left]]
This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The discussion is about the topic [[American Pekin Duck]].
Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Seems that EditSafe filed a request for volunteer interference. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

We have a second round of statements at [[WP:DRN#Talk:American Pekin_Duck#Previous_and_current_revisions]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 17:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Look familiar? ==

Newly registered account via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Klein49 Klein49]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 07:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:And another one registered yesterday via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Eco2346 Eco2346]. Here on English WP, they just tried to re-create [[Bob Marchese]] (the actor who portrayed [[Carlo Biotti]] in ''[[Piazza Fontana: The Italian Conspiracy]]'') and as you saw, also added nonsense to [[Lierna Castle]]. The edit patterns of both accounts both here and cross-wiki speak for themselves. Do you think it's worth filing an SPI? Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::First thing, big kudos for your patience and tenacity in keeping on top (?) of this – thank you, {{u|Voceditenore}}! I don't know whether there's any value in a local SPI for what is mostly a global problem, affecting many Wikipedias where admins may perhaps be fewer and less experienced than here. A few Smithson socks ago I asked {{u|M7}} to globally lock a couple of them, which he/she did (thank you!). When I asked if we could also globally nuke the sock edits, the reply was "ask an active sysop on meta" – which I didn't, probably a mistake.

::I see that {{u|Vituzzu}}, who is an active admin on it.wp, is also a check-user on meta, which may be just what we need – so pinging in the hope he may be able/willing to advise whether anything can or should be done, and if so what and how (Vituzzu, if you see this, we can provide any amount of background if needed, just ask!). What would be still better would be to know what might be done to keep it under control in the future. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

:::I don't know if I'm on top of this, but I must say this whack-a-mole game is becoming extremely tedious. He had gone almost a year here w/out creating registered sock accounts and now two in as many days. Anyhow, an adminsistrator on it.wp, [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]], successfully requested a global lock on the latest one above [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eco2346 Eco2346]. I've now applied [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global#Global_lock_for_Klein49 here] on Meta for a global lock on Klein49. We'll see what happens. I'm not sure if this account has to be blocked on en.wp first. Anyhow, if he tries any more of these, I'm strongly tempted to create an [[WP:LTA|LTA]] page for Smithson. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, I blocked Klein49: no mercy, sorry, waiting for glock ;) I agree with both of you: the game is tedious and the guy is becoming more and more dangerous above all for minor wikis, avoiding the bigger ones, too much guarded. I dont'know if [[WP:LTA|LTA]] will do, but good luck. I guess: impossible a ''big-global-universal-end-of-the-world-filter'' for the word "Natoli" :D ? It might help. Ciao! [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 08:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hi [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]]. Thanks so much for the block on it.wp. That should make the global lock easier. You're right, he's especially a danger to the smaller Wikis. He's creating havoc on simple.wp. [[WP:LTA|LTA]] isn't a sanction as such but it is very useful in preserving [[institutional memory]] and helping others spot future abuse. At the moment, it's only me and Justlettersandnumbers on en.wp who are keeping him on watch and know his patterns. {{{{SIGH}}}}. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Actually, VdT, I've noticed {{u|AttoRenato}} keeping a watch on some en.wp pages too (thank you!). I've no idea how to do an LTA page, but I'm happy to contribute. What I really want to know is where to go to ask for and discuss a global solution. We asked the Foundation for better tools to deal with long-term abuse; this seems to be just the sort of thing we need them for. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::You mean something like the ability to globally nuke the edits of globally locked accounts? I guess one problem is that it wouldn't work with IPs, and most of his damage now is done via IPs, which shift constantly. There's potential for a lot of collateral damage. Or perhaps the idea of global edit filters for words like "Natoli", "Biotti", "Polli", "Sperlinga" etc.? The problem with that is that there would have to be some way from exempting extended auto-confirmed users and it wouldn't stop him from adding nonsense to exisiting articles as long as the additions didn't include those words. I guess you could start by raising the issue at [[:meta:Wikimedia Forum]] or perhaps contact [[User:Mdennis (WMF)]] for suggestions on who best to approach. Re an LTA page, I've done one before. I'll see about cooking one up and post it if the nonsense continues. (It's bound to!) I'm also going to warn simple.wp and [[Wikidata]]. He's made numerous edits to Wikidata. Lord knows what "facts" he has added to that dubious "knowledge base", many of which can get automatically incorporated into infoboxes or even generate articles on some wikis. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 12:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! :) So, improving blocking tools in a way that is less wack-a-mole and more intelligent is in the works, but isn't going to be an instant change. The work is being done as part of a grant from the Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund meant to help combat harassment and trolling, but with collateral benefits (see [[Meta:Community health initiative]]). Our blocking tools are dinosaurs, easily circumvented. Our Product team is working to change that. In terms of global edit filters or global rollback, those would likely be best raised at the Community Wishlist survey if you're looking for WMF assistance. Otherwise, a discussion at the forum or even starting with the [[WP:VPT]] might be the way to start, prior to filing a Phabricator ticket. --[[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie Dennis (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Mdennis (WMF)|talk]]) 13:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks [[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie]] [[File:SMirC-smile.svg|25 px]]. [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 19:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/YACUT89a7 He's back...], check please. Bye. --[[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 03:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

== Up your alley ==

Non-English speaker with good intentions, and probably knowledge, but what a mess. [[Karachay horse]]. You are better at untangling this sort of mess than I am, good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, Montana! Actually you mentioned this before ([[#Help|Help, dated 13 November 2016]]). I still feel the same – it could do with some tidying up, but it's better than most of our breed articles. Some of the references should probably be checked, but I don't speak Russian and I most definitely don't know any [[Karachay-Balkar]]. Why not list it in the clean-up section of [[Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English]] in the hope of attracting someone who does? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

==[[Capel Manor House]]==

Quick query - don't understand why we'd want to revert to the old (1976) West Kent and The Weald Pevsner, when we've got the new one (2012) available. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|KJP1}}! I had two reasons for doing that: (a) I could see it on Google books, but had no preview for the more recent one (do you?), and there may be more there that can be made use of; and (b) Pevsner himself is listed as an author of that edition (published before he died) – I linked directly to our page on him for that reason. But I don't feel particularly strongly about it, I was really more interested in removing the sock-puppet edits. Do you want to change it back? Or cite both? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::In my great good fortune, I've got the entire Pevsner, old and new. I do think there's a bit more we can take from the new, so I'll have a look and, if I can, I'll cite the new. As you say, the 1976 version was also by Newman and Pevsner - Newman started as one of Pevsner's many drivers. Agree entirely re. the sock puppet edits - I strongly suspect the whole original article was "lifted" from somewhere. All the best. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 19:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That sounds excellent, thank you! Yes, I cleaned up five articles with large contributions from {{noping|Gyles82}}, who was indeffed for copyright violations; in three of them I found blatant copy-pasting, in two I did not, and so removed the text on presumption only; but, like you, I'm quite convinced it was plagiarised. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Wendell M. Levi: The Pigeon ==

Do you have access to The Pigeon by Wendell M. Levi? There shall be a preface mentioning Karl Stauber (Swiss photographer, author, ... ) I would like to read... (don't know the year)

I am preparing to write articles about Karl Stauber, Dr. Werner Lüthgen and Wilfried Detering (in German). Lüthgen and Detering just died this February (both are recipients of the "[[Bundesverdienstkreuz]] am Bande"; [[:de:Liste von Trägern des Bundesverdienstkreuzes#Verdienstkreuz am Bande]] (not included)). Karl Stauber had his 90th birthday. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 08:50, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|PigeonIP}}! I don't have any access to that book beyond what Google gives me, which is [https://books.google.it/books?id=wgpBAAAAYAAJ&dq=editions%3A2MU_TaR0CWgC&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22karl+stauber%22 snippet view of the 1957 edition]. Stauber is mentioned more than 40 times – I assume he supplied some of the illustrations? I look forward to reading about him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:40, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
::I am just able to get "matching items" in the 57th edition via hathitrust (but no snippets)
::82 photographs of Stauber are mentioned...
::rereading the article: "persönliche Widmung" is a book with personal dedication Stauber got from Levi... – no preface :(
::btw.: thanks for using the notification-tool. This way I get the pings (sometimes) in timeand in other projects (de-wp, wm-co) to be able to answer ;) --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 12:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== "how did this end up here??? (sorry!)" ==

Well, I can explain, though you've probably figured it out for yourself by now. If you're still curious, all is explained [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Article_title|here]]. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 15:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, worked it out, {{u|Maproom}}. What I don't know is whether you should/could have changed "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Maproom|ns=118}}</nowiki>" to read "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Galical|ns=118}}</nowiki>". That would I think have averted the strange behaviour. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

== Quin Abbey ==

Hi: Looking at the text now, you are correct that I should have taken greater care to paraphrase the content more. Although the Clare County Library is clearly named as the source, this was in many places way too close to the original.

It might have been preferable to just rephrase/condense the offending parts. However, I realize that a quick correction was needed.[[User:Drow69|Drow69]] ([[User talk:Drow69|talk]]) 15:53, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Drow69}}! And yes, in an ideal world where we had dozens of editors working on copyright clean-up and each had the luxury of unlimited time to deal with each suspected problem, it would certainly be more friendly and better for the individual article to rewrite all infringing content. I do actually try to do that to some small extent. The hitch is that, in general, an editor who adds one copyright violation very often also adds another, and establishing with reasonable certainty whether that has or has not happened can be '''very''' time-consuming. So I'm afraid I usually just revert to before the first identified "bad" edit unless there's a clearly-defined block of offending text that can be neatly excised. It's not ideal, I know. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Rodeo bulls ==

JLAN, I've been helping the editor who is working on the rodeo bull riding articles — I think all that is really needed is a talkpage heads up and ask her to fix stuff, perhaps with a link to the copyvio results you are relying upon so she can see the trouble areas; this is a fairly new user who learns quickly and has a lot of good faith. She’s been real good about taking advice when I’ve offered itWe have a teachable person and I don’t want to lose her as an editor because she has a good combination of energy and interest that we need more of around here. Try not to bite too hard, OK? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
:Late reply, sorry! Yes, saw some of the kerfuffle on your talk-page. It's [[WP:IAR|kind of just OK]] to remove the copyvio template from a page once you're quite sure there's no remaining problem, but do please make double-sure that you really have got it all – you'd missed several bits at [[Challenge of the Champions]], as you saw. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Sensory processing disorder]] ==

Hey, can anything be done about the copyvio situation on the article? It's been tagged for a month now and gets 1,000 views daily (was also in the news recently because a woman's son who was patted down by the TSA had this). [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 15:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Opencooper}}, sorry I didn't answer this sooner. I've now looked in more detail at the article history, and it's not good news: it needs to be rewritten. I've posted an explanation on the talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
::Hey, no biggie, thanks for looking into it. That's unfortunate. As I don't feel comfortable editing a medical article myself either, I've posted [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Article_rewrite_needed|a plea]] at WikiProject Medicine. [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 05:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

==Translationese==
Hi, thanks for your comments a few weeks ago at the Village Pump. Unfortunately I had to put down Wikipedia for a few weeks there and I didn't get to push the discussion further. I myself don't know how to create a template, but I'll try to use the templates you suggested if I encounter this again. I do agree with Thnidu though that an in-line template would be best. FYI, the link to the Village Pump discussion is [[WP:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_137#New_template_needed|here]]. - [[User:Wwallacee|Wwallacee]] ([[User talk:Wwallacee|talk]]) 09:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== Hieroglyphs ==

The comments on the CP listing gave me the impression that the idea of having the list was the copyright infringement (as opposed to the issue being the copying of text), and the AFD seemed to conclude that no, having the list was fine. If you think I misunderstood something, please feel free to put the item back at CP. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
:I think you've got the right idea – that the copying of an ordered list by an author whose work is still in copyright could well be unacceptable. I didn't see that the AfD discussion had really gone into that. I've been ducking this because it's well outside my comfort zone. I suppose I'll start a talk-page discussion … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology]] ==

That article always drives me nuts - lots of fluff, grandstanding/POV/best thing since sliced bread statements. I keep an eye on it mainly for outright-vandalism but every time I read some of it I think "DAYum this thing needs a complete overhaul". Your recent changes have been a big improvement, so thank you. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
:Well, thanks, {{u|Shearonink}} – but really I only chipped a little at the tip of the iceberg. There's a '''lot''' more to be done there, I think. I thought I'd wait to see if those initial changes would stick before I did too much more. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
::Btw, you've inspired me so I've decide to chip away at the Alumni section - WP:BLP concerns etc. My criteria atm is that if the person's WP-article even just ''mentions'' that the person attended TJHSST then their name stays. Then I'll go back through and add references for those folks. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:20, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

== Chinese academy of sciences ==

Hello, you have [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/773262083 removed] all edits I added in this change [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/766032952]

I saw you later removed inline weblinks too, but the information I added is merely an expansion to what is there already.

I would appreciate it if you could add it back yourself. Thanks!

[[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC) [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Pieceofmetalwork}}, those institutions were – like almost everything in that page – without any [[WP:reference|reference]]. Please feel free to add them back yourself with appropriate [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
::Because you removed the references... A link to a website on a domain owned by the academy of sciences is a proof of its existence. Having inline links is bad practice, right, but then you can't remove the links, then claim that there is no source, because those were the references. [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 21:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Zwirner gallery page ==

Hi there,

I've been trying to fix the page for DavidZwirner gallery, because it's massive out of date and thin. Here are my suggested edits, which are purely factural and fully referenced. Could you let me know why it all keeps being deleted?
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The David Zwirner Gallery is an American contemporary art gallery owned by David Zwirner. It has two gallery spaces in New York City and one in London, and has plans to open in Hong Kong in 2018.[1]
History
1990s
In 1993, David Zwirner (b. 1964, Cologne, Germany) opened his first eponymous gallery on Greene Street in the SoHo neighborhood of New York City.[2]
In its first year, the reception of its exhibition by the young Los Angeles-based artist Jason Rhoades, along with a gallery expansion in 1994, contributed to the gallery’s early recognition.[3] In 1994, David Zwirner presented the U.S. debut exhibition of Belgian painter Luc Tuymans.[4]
The roster of artists during this decade also included Raoul De Keyser, Stan Douglas, Marcel Dzama, On Kawara, Toba Khedoori, The Estate of Gordon Matta-Clark, John McCracken, Raymond Pettibon, Yutaka Sone, Diana Thater, Franz West, and Christopher Williams.
2000s
In 2002, Zwirner moved his gallery from SoHo to Chelsea (525 West 19th Street). In 2006, the gallery then expanded from 10,000 to 30,000 square feet (2,800 m2) by adding spaces at 519 and 533 West 19th Street.
Artists who joined the gallery during this decade included Tomma Abts, Francis Alÿs, Mamma Andersson, Michaël Borremans, R. Crumb, Philip-Lorca diCorcia, Marlene Dumas, Suzan Frecon, Isa Genzken, Jockum Nordström, Chris Ofili, Michael Riedel, Thomas Ruff, James Welling, Lisa Yuskavage, and the Leipzig painter Neo Rauch, who had his U.S. debut exhibition at the gallery in 2000.
The gallery also announced the representation of a number of estates, including those of Dan Flavin, Alice Neel, Fred Sandback, and Al Taylor.
From 2000 to 2009, David Zwirner also was a partner with Iwan Wirth in Zwirner & Wirth, a gallery on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, which focused on private sales and historically researched exhibitions.
Following the move of David Zwirner’s part of the business to Chelsea, highlights have included Dan Flavin: Series and Progressions (2009), a major survey of the artist’s work in fluorescent light, and Primary Atmospheres: Works from California 1960-1970,[5] a critically acclaimed survey of West Coast Minimalism which is often credited with contributing to the transformation of the market for many of the “Light and Space” artists.
2010 to present
In 2012, David Zwirner expanded into Europe.[6] The gallery opened in an eighteenth-century Georgian townhouse on Grafton Street in London’s Mayfair district with a solo exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans.[7] After a renovation overseen by architect Annabelle Selldorf of Selldorf Architects, the building has almost 10,000 square feet (930 m2) throughout five floors, with main exhibition spaces on three levels.[8]
The gallery announced its exclusive representation of Judd Foundation in 2010, and the Estate of Ad Reinhardt in 2013. Other artists who joined the gallery included Carol Bove (2011); Doug Wheeler (2012); Jeff Koons, Yayoi Kusama, Oscar Murillo, and Jordan Wolfson (2013); Karla Black, Bridget Riley, Richard Serra, Wolfgang Tillmans, and Kerry James Marshall (2014); Blinky Palermo and Jan Schoonhoven (2015). The gallery announced its exclusive representation of William Eggleston in 2016, and of the Estate of Ruth Asawa in 2017.[9] As of 2017, the Estate of Felix Gonzalez-Torres is co-represented by David Zwirner and Andrea Rosen Gallery.[10]
Further expansion continued in 2013 with the opening of a new five-story 30,000 square foot (2,800 m2) building in New York’s Chelsea neighborhood (537 West 20th Street).[11] Also designed by Selldorf, it became the first commercial art gallery to receive LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) certification.[12] The building was featured on the cover of Architectural Record[13] magazine and featured in Architect magazine.[14] The inaugural exhibition was a presentation of significant large-scale works by Dan Flavin and Donald Judd.[15]
David Zwirner Books was founded in 2014 as the stand-alone publishing house of David Zwirner. The imprint publishes catalogues, monographs, historical surveys, artist books, and catalogue raisonnés related to the gallery’s exhibition program.[16] Zwirner's son Lucas is Editorial Director at David Zwirner Books.[17]
In early 2018, David Zwirner will open a new location in Hong Kong. With interiors by Annabelle Selldorf, the gallery will incorporate close to 10,000 square feet of exhibition space on two floors of H Queen's, a new building in the city's Central district designed by William Lim.[18]
Artists:
Tomma Abts
Anni Albers
Josef Albers
Francis Alÿs
Mamma Andersson
Ruth Asawa
Karla Black
Michaël Borremans
Carol Bove
R. Crumb
Raoul De Keyser
Philip-Lorca diCorcia
Stan Douglas
Marlene Dumas
Marcel Dzama
William Eggleston
Dan Flavin
Suzan Frecon
Isa Genzken
Felix Gonzalez-Torres
Donald Judd
On Kawara
Toba Khedoori
Jeff Koons
Yayoi Kusama
Sherrie Levine
Kerry James Marshall
Gordon Matta-Clark
John McCracken
Giorgio Morandi
Oscar Murillo
Alice Neel
Jockum Nordström
Chris Ofili
Palermo
Raymond Pettibon
Sigmar Polke
Neo Rauch
Ad Reinhardt
Jason Rhoades
Michael Riedel
Bridget Riley
Thomas Ruff
Fred Sandback
Jan Schoonhoven
Richard Serra
Yutaka Sone
Al Taylor
Diana Thater
Wolfgang Tillmans
Luc Tuymans
James Welling
Doug Wheeler
Christopher Williams
Jordan Wolfson
Yun Hyong-keun
Lisa Yuskavage

References
1.
• Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner's Art Empire". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "The Rhoades Less Traveled - Previews - Art in America". www.artinamericamagazine.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Villarreal, Ignacio. "Exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans inaugurate David Zwirner's new space in London". artdaily.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Viveros-Faune, Christian (2010-01-26). "David Zwirner's 'Primary Atmospheres' Is California Sweet". Village Voice. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Magazine, Wallpaper* (2012-10-05). "A trio of US galleries opens in London before Frieze Art Fair | Art | Wallpaper* Magazine". Wallpaper*. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "'We wanted something that screamed Europe'". Financial Times. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Represents the Estate of Ruth Asawa | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-01-09. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "Andrea Rosen Will Close Her Gallery After 27 Years | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-02-22. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Gallery | Open Green Map". www.opengreenmap.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Architect. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • USA, AICA. "AICA-USA | NEWS & EVENTS | Review: Dan Flavin and Donald Judd at David Zwirner Gallery". www.aicausa.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Will Open David Zwirner Books in Chelsea This Fall | ARTnews". www.artnews.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • http://theartnewspaper.com/news/in-the-frame/zwirner-prodigy-turns-to-in-house-publishing/. Missing or empty |title= (help)
18. • Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
Categories:
• 1993 establishments in New York
• Culture of New York City
• Art galleries in Manhattan
• Art galleries established in 1993
• Art galleries in London
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Many thanks [[User:1-ona|1-ona]] ([[User talk:1-ona|talk]]) 14:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|1-ona}}! I've been trying to fix it too – it was a long way from what we regard as suitable content for an encyclopaedia. The best place to talk about this is the talk-page of the article, [[Talk:David Zwirner Gallery]]. Do you have some connection to the gallery, by the way? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Changes in "[[American Pekin]]" ==

Hello again. The article is reverted back to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Pekin&oldid=775346995 your version]. You may improve it right now; I told the other editor to refrain from editing it for a long while. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 13:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|George Ho}}, I'll try to get to it soon. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

==Stig Harder & Fashion Net==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I apologize for the mixup.

Could you help get the articles back for FASHION NET at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_Net and my own at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Harder? I read the reason was there weren't enough references online to establish notability.

Here are several references from print publications back when the Internet was in its infancy:
{{cot}}
stigharder.com/media/harpers-bazaar-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/henne-2002.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/elle-japan-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/guardian-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/le-monde-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/net-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/netuser-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/new-york-times-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/paper-magazine.jpg stigharder.com/media/planete-internet-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/time-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/usa-today-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/wired-1996.jpg

My executive membership at the IADAS (click on letter H): https://www.iadas.net/membership/

Thank you so much.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 07:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I found the archived page for Cooper Hewitt's "Mixing Messages" exhibition in 1996-1997 where Lumiere was included:

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/19970215142503/http://mixingmessages.si.edu:80/mm/dialogue/comm5.jhtml;MSkKN8ldt0c3R4wNNhG9EntHIMA793ySd5zF1QNZss8m0lA

I see the article itself is missing from the archive, but my staff back then did a screenshot: stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg
{{cob}}
Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 20:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Stigharder}}, I'm afraid you really are asking the wrong person. I've spent several hours of my life, over a period of several years, trying to clean up inappropriate promotional edits made by you or [[WP:SOCK|people connected with you]], and I have absolutely no interest in seeing any of the articles restored.

That said, it looks to me as if you '''might perhaps''' have enough sources there to justify requesting a [[WP:deletion review]] with the reason "[[WP:DRVPURPOSE|significant new information has come to light since ... deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page]]", so that's an option you could consider. I think you should expect some fairly vigorous opposition if you do decide to give it a try. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Justlettersandnumbers.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 19:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Editors Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I pottered over to [[Francesco Clemente]] this afternoon intending to fix some of the content issues I knew were there... lo and behold, you'd already done a sterling job of fixing the problems with the article. Thanks for your hard work! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|雲]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]] 11:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Yunshui}}, much appreciated! That's a work-in-progress, though, still far from complete. I hope to get back to it soon, if you don't get to it first. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Laws of London]] ==

Hello, another editor has (or rather, had) tagged the page as g8, the notice giving the criteria 'redirect to non-existent page' or 'to itself' etc. I have removed it, as your redirect to the appropriate section seems valid to me. Regards, [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 15:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:I saw, {{u|Eagleash}}, thank you for that. I've added a {{tl|R with possibilities}} tag to it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
::OK good. I wasn't sure whether you might have w/listed it... [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 16:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

== Paid Editor radar? ==

How good is your undisclosed paid editor radar? I saw your post at the noticeboards trying to deal with one... I've just done an unusual thing for me and nominated a couple articles for AfD... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephanie_Fryar_(2nd_nomination)], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brian_Bain], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jared_Keylon]. Anyway, noticed the same person created each. I did a bit of digging and this user is [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/?user=RonSigPi&project=en.wikipedia.org&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects prolific] in article creation, but quality... ? Anyway, I don't know if he's over-eager or an undisclosed paid editor, plus you know I can get bitey when I get on the track of some sort of problem, so thought I'd ask you if either 1) You want to sniff about with your nose for problems (radar, perhaps?) or 2) If this is outside your balliwick, perhaps you can point me to the guru(s) of sniffing out paid editors. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
:If I have any radar at all, I'd say it's somewhere between poor and pathetic. There are some very switched-on people at WP:COIN, with real perception and investigation and research skills, so that's where I'd usually take suspicions of this sort. Even so, I'm pretty certain that it isn't the problem here, which appears to be just the common Wikipedia disease of creating yet more stubs about completely non-notable sportspeople because they've once kicked or struck a ball or whatever for money. Which reminds me, there's a discussion of that guideline underway somewhere … [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, there is a link to the discussion from [[WT:WikiProject Horse racing]]. I'm ambivalent, I agree about the kicked a ball thing, but I had quite a debate once over a jockey who won the Grand National back in the 1800s, when the facade of "amateur gentlemen" was maintained... won that round, but saw a need for guidelines. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]

{{od}}Totally different issue: [[Yanardag]]. Not sure what to do with this; clean up or AfD. Thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:34, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{tps}} If the horse is on both a postage stamp (currently pictured) and the [[Coat of arms of Turkmenistan]], it obviously meets Wikipedia notability requirements. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 07:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yep, agree with {{u|Softlavender}} – he's surely notable. [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/turkmenistan/1460852/A-peep-into-the-strange-world-of-Turkmenbashi-whose-every-word-is-law.html Here's a mention] in the ''Daily Telegraph'', for example. And yes, it certainly needs some work, which I'm not planning to put in (I had a go at [[Chetak]], though). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Heh, my situation too. Maybe I'll just post at WPEQ talk and see if anyone bites. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

:{{tps}} [[User:Montanabw]] I think I have a fairly good nose for spotting UPE but I don't see anything that raises my suspicions with this editor. Everything appears to be sourced and verifies from the cited sources and the content is not promotional. As to whether they are notable... [[WP:NSPORT]] isn't my expertise. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 09:02, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::Montana, this {{up-arrow}} is one of the switched-on editors I was referring to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

==Take up a fair old chunk of your page, I'm afraid ;)==
(About half of Astley's ''Art of Riding'', 1584, removed to reduce page size)

Best of luck! — [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|'''O Fortuna''']][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis''''']] 16:09, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== 10:24:13, 7 May 2017 review of submission by 5.80.9.116 ==
{{Lafc|username=5.80.9.116|ts=10:24:13, 7 May 2017|declined=Draft:Good_Bad_Poems}}

Dear Just etc..,

Many thanks for the advice. I am not able to develop my article on Good Bad Poetry after the fashion that you suggest, and I have concluded that it is best if I abandon it.

Thank you again for the trouble you have taken to help me.

Lewis Jones.

Just, Thank you for taking the time to explain. I did new edit, putting references in parenthesis, as I couldn't figure it out how to use a template (I did spend a lot of time trying to learn - but I understand that what it is important is the I provide a reliable source. Some editors have been using Yad Vashem website, whom I was told by an editor at Wikipedia is partisan. I am using references from books mentioned in your list.

I care about integrity and neutrality on history of the Holocaust, which, sometimes is very politicized. [[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 00:31, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Courtesy notice ==

This is a courtesy notice to let you know I have posted at ANI to get further input on the [[:Balfour Declaration]] citation question. [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Balfour Declaration]]. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== LDR ==

Hey Justlettersandnumbers there seems to be a list defined reference error with ref name r|jsc in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacob_sheep&diff=779609025&oldid=779593337 this] edit. I can't look any further because the page is locked. Regards [[User:CV9933|CV9933]] ([[User talk:CV9933|talk]]) 11:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|CV9933}}! – my mistake, as so often. I've asked for it to be fixed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

==Louise Blouin==
Dear [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]], i noticed you just undid my edits on [[Louise Blouin]] Wiki article without a proper explanation why that information should not be there on [[Louise Blouin]] Wikipedia page. You explain one resource is not reliable, What about others? I also checked your history on this page. Most of the time you demotivate new users to contribute on Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 12:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
:The ''[[Daily Mail|Daily Fail]]'' is not a reliable source. If you look at the edit I made after that, you'll see that I did add back the ''Observer'' reference, with a little actual information from it. The tone of the actual text you added was not appropriate to an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if your edit is undone, please don't just make the same edit again, but instead start a discussion on the talk-page (if you wish). Your accusation of demotivation of new users is a serious one; if it has basis, you should certainly take it to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
::OK, Let the others decide. You are disrupting me to improving the article. To resolve the issue I am inviting {{ping|Montanabw}}, {{ping|Barek}}, {{ping|BOZ}}, {{ping|CactusWriter}}, {{ping|Canley}}, {{ping|DaGizza}}, {{ping|David Levy}}, {{ping|Daniel Case}}, {{ping|Deor}} and {{ping|Ealdgyth}}. In the meanwhile i undone your edits and mke it correct as you suggest by adding more references. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 10:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I have no idea why I was pinged on this, but here is my opinion as just another editor. As stated by Justlettersandnumbers, ''The Daily Mail'' is not a reliable source. And, IMO, neither was the small tabloid newspaper ''New York Observer''. Nor are self-submitted bios in the UN book or the Huffington Post. If the only information to be included is that Blouin was the CEO of Trader Classified Media than a single [[Bloomberg News]] [https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=511904&capId=22815753] citation should be sufficient. I note that "she led over 7,000 employees worldwide" is not mentioned in any source. — [[User:CactusWriter|CactusWriter ]][[User talk:CactusWriter|(talk)]] 00:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::: No clue why I was pinged either - but I don't do BLPs if I can avoid it, so someone else is a better judge. Nor am I Brit, so I really can't judge the Daily Mail. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:24, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Guys, it's a total mystery to me – the IP has added the same poor content 5 times now, I've just no idea why, nor how the pings were chosen. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Holocaust ... ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Henia_Perlman&diff=prev&oldid=780540472 Re: this edit], I'd change the system to the one I use for most of my articles if I thought I could get away with it. I find the system on [[Middle Ages]] much much much easier to deal with, but I swear that some folks on Wikipedia think that if it has a template, it HAS to be better. Don't ever even try to figure out [[WP:List defined references]], it'll explode your head. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diligence'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for the help with the copyright violations on [[The Holocaust]], it's very much appreciated. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Ealdgyth}} – we got it done despite some hiccoughs, probably mostly thanks to your rather convincing examples on the talk-page. As for the reference format thing, I had to laugh – far from popping my head, LDR is to me the neatest and most straightforward system of all, my invariable choice when there is choice. Examples at ''[[Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni]]'' or [[Johannes Engel]], if your head can take the pressure. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Don Reitz ==
Can you please list your particular content concerns about this article on the talkpage so I may address them? I would like to address your concerns.  —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 03:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{re|Justlettersandnumbers}} I have moved this article to draft and resubmitted it to AfC. I implore you, beg you to name your concerns on the draft talkpage so I may fix them before the article is approved again as I am certain it will be. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 09:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

==Hand of God Article==

Hi, so I'm curious what information I posted that was copywrited? I can't see it on the History and I don't recall the specific edit. I'd like to know so I could avoid problems in the future. [[User:jlcoving|'''jlcoving''']] ([[User talk:jlcoving|talk]]) 21:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|jlcoving}}, I'm afraid I can't give you an exact answer to this, as – like you – I can't see the two edits you made to [[Hand of God (TV series)]]. But as far as I remember, you had added a bit of plot summary identical to what was on one of the websites listed on the talk-page (the editor after you then added a lot more). I think you'll have to ask an admin if you want more precise detail. In general, the advice is that everything you write in Wikipedia must be entirely in your own words – it's almost never OK to borrow text from other places. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== Cirque du Soleil - Volta ==
Hi Justlettersnadnumbers, I created the page for this Cirque du Soleil show, and it was rejected and deleted due to "copyright violations"... Could you further explain exactly what was the violation? I'm new and I don't know exactly what I did wrong. I used confirmed sources for all the material, and spent hours creating a page that was all of a sudden wiped; the show has now premiered and we have no page for it. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 18:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Estebanpirazo}}! I'm afraid I missed this message earlier, as it was at the top of this page instead of at the bottom. [[:Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]] was redirected and its history hidden because it contained material copied from elsewhere on the internet – we don't allow text copied from non-free sources here. There's a message about this on your talk-page, with the header [[User talk:Estebanpirazo#Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)|Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]]. There's no objection to you restarting the page provided you are sure there's enough in-depth coverage of it in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] – just go to the page, hit edit, remove all the text that's there and start writing. If you have questions, the [[WP:Teahouse|Teahouse]] is a good place to ask them, or you can ask here. Good luck! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

::Hi, {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}, I contacted Cirque du Soleil directly regarding your comment about the material found on their webpage being copyrighted, and their answer is that the material on those pages is part of their press releases, and free to use if needed. I actually explained them what I used their information for, and they answered they have no problem with me using it in the creation of the Wikipedia page for the Cirque du Soleil show Volta. Please let me know how to proceed in this case, to reinstate the Wikipedia page I have created, and let me know if you need me to forward you the e-mail I received directly from them stating this material is free to use. The page I created also has several other references to independent material that are free to use for the creation of the Wikipedia page of this show. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 11:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

== May 2017 ==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] It appears that you have been '''[[WP:Canvassing|canvassing]]'''—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly notices|friendly notices]] are allowed, they should be '''limited''' and '''nonpartisan''' in distribution and should reflect a '''neutral''' point of view. Please do not post notices which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Excessive cross-posting|indiscriminately cross-posted]], which espouse a certain [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Campaigning|point of view]] or side of a debate, or which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Votestacking|selectively sent]] only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. 

== May 2017 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit that you made to [[:Bonin Bough]] has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed because it was a misuse of a [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|warning or blocking template]]. Please use the [[User talk:Sandbox for user warnings|user warnings sandbox]] for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|introduction page]] to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.

Actually, I have not reverted it. But [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABonin_Bough&type=revision&diff=780862569&oldid=779775374 this edit was inappropriate] for a COI that was properly declared: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=Janweh64&page=Bonin_Bough&server=enwiki&max= in the edit summary] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Janweh64&diff=prev&oldid=772229242 on my userpage]. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 00:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== {{tl|long dash}} ==

FYI {{u|Born2bgratis}} is now going around articles changing {{tl|long dash}} ({{long dash}}) to unicode 11835 (⸻) with predictable consequences. See for example [[Bede]] (which I've reverted), and the discussion on his [[User talk:Born2bgratis#Bede|talk page]]. Regards, [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 11:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Willie J. Hagan]] ==

See [[Talk:Willie J. Hagan]]. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 07:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your corrections of my edits. Please forgive me that I am not yet totally familiar with Wikipedia etiquette. But I am learning. I hope you'll find some time for edit requests I left on [[Talk:Jürgen_Schmidhuber]] and [[Talk:Felix_Gers]]. (BTW I can hardly believe the sheer number of your edits on so many different topics.) [[User:Slowfun|Slowfun]] ([[User talk:Slowfun|talk]]) 16:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
{{you've got mail|subject=meta email - newspapers.com|ts=23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)}}
--[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron11598]] [[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] 23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

{{ygm}}

== Deletion of Monoranjan Roy ==

I could not find reasons for deletion. It just says its advertising. I did make the article in neutral manner without intent to advertise. I need to understand it to avoid deletion in future, can you help me understand the reason and provide me with the copy of deleted article.
[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 06:02, 27 May 2017 (UTC)ritz082
:{{u|Ritz082}}, I nominated that page for deletion because it appeared to be intended only to give publicity to a person that you apparently have a close (and also, apparently, undeclared) connection to – it was you that took [[:File:Monoranjan Roy.jpg|this picture of him]], was it not, as you claim on that page? I invite you read [[WP:PROMOTION]] and [[WP:PAID]]. I can't provide you with a copy of the page, but you can ask the admin who deleted it, {{u|Cryptic}}. In case you are thinking of re-creating it, may I also suggest that you read about [[WP:notability|notability]] – it is very unlikely that that person meets our criteria for inclusion in this encyclopaedia. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for letting me know the reason. I did meet the person, but the idea was not promotion. I do feel that his name mention is required in wiki. I do want to re-create the article, and I have read [[WP:notability|notability]], but will do only when I am sure it is not going to be deleted / questioned again.[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 09:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==Thank you Justlettersandnumbers==
Thank you for the link.
I started to read them.
It's very challenging.[[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 06:06, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Giuseppe Pinelli]] ==
Giuseppe Pinelli wasn't killed (consequently, he wasn't victim of human rights abuses). Please, don't change the page. --[[Special:Contributions/151.65.128.21|151.65.128.21]] ([[User talk:151.65.128.21|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

== copywrite violation ==

kindly revert my talk page back to a time BEFORE you gave me a warning

the article you reverted is currently in the process of being edited, and it is being CHECKED for copywrite here constantly https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 and by ANOTHER ADMIN

you have now not only gotten in the way of this process but have warned me about copywrite for NO REASON

~ T. Spike ~|✉ 16:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Tony Spike}}, you can remove a warning from your talk-page if you want to. It might be an idea to take some notice of it first, though. As you can see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=784689283&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.referenceforbusiness.com%2Fhistory2%2F96%2FCaradon-plc.html%29 here], the text you added was unacceptably close to the source, and you've already been warned about this. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

::{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}yeah well i have already removed everything from my talk page and left a note their explaining what is happening ...i may have already been warned about it but it makes no difference to me weather i have been warned already or not since im still trying to sort the problem out

::besides the only reason this is happening in the first place is because the company names remain the same between the two articles, anyone who actually bothered to look at that fact before removing it would notice and i will challenge anyone that thinks otherwise

::now ....goodbye

::~ T. Spike ~|✉ 17:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Francesco Clemente ==

HI, You suggested changes to [[Francesco Clemente]] I replied to you on my talk page also. Please read. Please guide me what to do next, I spent a lot of time in fixing article and I read and researched a lot to fix this one and adding info. I was totally unaware of those two links as being flagged for copyright violation. Please guide me, should I remove those 2 and republish the changes? [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 15:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|HeatherMPinchbeck}}, I suggest you post on the talk-page of the article. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I made all the changes and even checked it thoroughly, please let me know should I publish it again? I made myself clear about any COI on my talk page again and again and if you don't want me to fix articles I'll not in the future, I told you that it was a random selection as I always try to fix articles with banners. So I spent a lot of time on this article and researched a lot, I don't want it wasted. Please, let me know, Thanks. [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 04:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

== Bonin Bough - Question ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I wanted to reach out as you've rejected the entry for Bonin Bough a few times now. I'm just curious as to what more is needed - as Bonin is one of the most awarded executives in marketing and one of the youngest C-level executives in the world (no puffery here :) And has been INDUCTED into the Advertising Hall of Fame. Just wondering how a person who used to be a doorman at a NY bar has a Wikipedia page, but Bonin is not considered notable enough? There is a ton more reliable press out there on Bonin so is it just a case of adding those? Please let me know.

Thanks!

Sofia
:Sofia, please see the reasons I left at [[Draft:Bonin Bough]] when I declined it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

== Undone edit for GNA University ==

Dear User, This content is written for GNA University, and the section you re deleting consists departments of GNA University which i think is an important information of university. Kindly take this into serious consideration.

[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna|talk]]) 09:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)Manik.sarna
:Thank you for declaring your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], {{u|Manik.sarna}}. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I am a freelance photographer and stay in same area where GNA University and Lovely professional university is located. So i am updating the information which i gathered about these institutes. These are very basic infos which donot even promote any of them. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 
:[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] - Sorry, but adding content to articles citing your personal knowledge, experience, or relationships with others constitutes [[WP:NOR|original research]], which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Content that's added to articles must either be ''attributable'' to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], or ''[[WP:CITE|directly attributed]]'' to a reliable source. I highly recommend that you review these policies and guidelines, as they're very important to understand and follow. If you have any questions regarding them, please let one of us know. Cheers -- [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 10:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Oshwah for explaining this. I would certainly edit the points mentioned by you. Can i put the names of Different Faculties/departments in the GNA University page? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:14, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]] ==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''claims significance, representing multiple notable authors indicates significance as well. Use [[WP:AFD]] instead.''' Thank you. '''[[User:SoWhy|So]][[User talk:SoWhy|Why]]''' 14:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:OK. It seems you and {{u|Bbb23}}, who [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Mark+Gottlieb+%28Literary+Agent%29&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= deleted it for the same reason last night], don't quite agree in the interpretation of that criterion. Oh, well, AfD it is. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::It would be a boring world if administrators agreed on everything.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks a bunch! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hey! Thanks a lot for explaining me on the references. It helps out a lot. Thanks again buddy! [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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Side Note: I felt the second version of the barnstar (the one I gave) better than the first; however, if you like the first one, I would change it to the first. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:22, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|Adityavagarwal}}! As I said, if you have more questions, ask away (better there than here, but either is fine)! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

Hi! Thanks a bunch for your inputs on [[Mallard]]. {{p|:)}} Yep, Peking duck relates to the domestic duck (which is in fact a descendant of the mallard). Earlier, that section of food was not present, when in [[Talk:Mallard/GA1]], there were suggestions to add the food section with ''canard a l'orange'', etc. So, I added them. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 18:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

== Simon Philby ==

Hi there,

RE: [[Simon Philby]], there is no conflict of interest present. I am simply creating the wikipedia page on behalf of Mr Philby's team as a free copywrite.

I agree that my citations need to be improved, however this is my first full article so this has been a wikipedia learning curve.

However I ask that the COI tags be please removed.

regards,

[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)jacka1993[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest so very clearly, {{u|Jacka1993}} – obviously, if you are writing a page for him you have a COI. I had already seen what you wrote [[:File:Simon James Philby Photo 1.jpg|here]], "Personal image of Simon Philby, provided by Mr Philby himself for a biography wikipedia page that I am writing for him". So really the only remaining question is whether you are being paid for your work on this and pages such as [[Leslie Benzies]] ("{{diff|User talk:Rhain|prev|765249291|Hi there, I am contacting you on behalf of a client who is working on behalf of Leslie Benzies}}"). If so, please immediately make the necessary [[Wikipedia:paid-contribution disclosure|paid-contribution disclosure]]s. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive copy-editing of "Reeves's muntjac" page ==

I noticed you deleted a lot of valid data of "Reeves's muntjac" with your "copy-editing". Please wait while i revert your edit and re-do it properly.[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 06:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

finished for now[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 07:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the "disruptive", {{u|Trurle}}. My only {{diff|Reeves's muntjac|780142961|780058535|edit}} to [[Reeves's muntjac]] was to remove some poorly-referenced and ill-written content you had added (please read [[WP:BURDEN]]). I don't see that your recent additions are much better, but they certainly aren't the only problem that article has. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== Please see ANI ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Hello Justlettersandnumbers , I mentioned you at ANI. Section is [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Magioladitis_high_speed_editing]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|xaosflux]] [[User talk:Xaosflux|Talk]] 11:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive Erasing on "Margareta Boivin" page==

Just to clarify your job as an editor of Wikipedea is to help people edit their content for publishing, and not to delete content that has not been published yet. Please use your due-diligence by putting my content back promptly and making it available for me to further edit it.--[[User:Sebastienb06|Sebastienb06]] ([[User talk:Sebastienb06|talk]]) 04:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for the "disruptive", {{u|Sebastienb06}}, first one this month. Thank you also for your definition of my job here – I'd been wondering about that, labouring under the misapprehension that I was a volunteer.
:The content you'd added to [[Draft:Margareta Boivin]] was removed as a [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]] of [http://www.mboivin-art.com/?q=mb-biography her website]. You can read it there, but you may not copy it into Wikipedia. It is anyway entirely unsuitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if you have some personal or professional connection to Boivin, you have [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] (please follow the blue link to read about that). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== DAD-IS for USA ==

The DAD-IS list is absolute garbage for US horses and should not be used as a source for any American-based breed. [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=c2b8d2714d8f962a2a15612562a95626,reportsreport12_50000120_50000045 Breeds reported by United States of America: Horse]. I mean, seriously, it includes non-American-originating breeds like the Akhal-Teke, but not the Arabian; it includes something called the "Moroccan Spotted" that I've never heard of, (nor the "Kanata pony") and its attempts to document "American" breeds are absurd, there is no such thing as a "Wild" Mustang (as Mustangs are feral) and a [[broomtail]] is a low-quality horse, not a breed. A [[Cayuse]] is a bit more ambivalent, but if there is such a breed, it's actually a western Canadian landrace. So whoever compiled this particular list was an idiot. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 10:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that, and I'm happy to take your word for it. But the [[National Animal Germplasm Program]] of the [[Agricultural Research Service]] of the [[US Department of Agriculture]] is clearly a reliable source by our standards, so what it reports to [[DAD-IS]] is presumably the same. Where did I cite it, I can't recall? – I do mostly try to avoid doing so, out of deference to your views. On the other hand, Germany reports with extreme (actually, almost excessive) care; I don't understand why you've removed that reference from Gypsy Horse? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::OK, got it, it was [[American Drum Horse]]. The list must surely be reliable for a statement that this breed is not included in it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::The German link was tossed because all it was for was the statement that "Tinker Horse" is a breed name, when the same thing is repeated in the next sentence with breed association links. So, it's not a moral issue (other than the word being a racial slur) but it was duplicative. If you want to restore it, well, I find it annoying, but only a single mosquito-level of annoying. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Collapse|1=As for the DAD-IS on the Drum Horse article, stating the negative is irrelevant -- US government doesn't officially recognize or license breeds they way they do in Europe anyway. (This may not be a plus for the quality of our horses, but it's reality. All free enterprise here. ''Caveat emptor''.) Also remember that the USA also is not good about playing with the United Nations in general, so these UN programs are often ignored in the US with the minimal effort possible put forth. It is perhaps simpler in Europe, where people apparently have a lot more trust in governmental agencies and international organizations. Kudos to Germany. (heck, the Germans are rockstars -- [[Angela Merkel]] is becoming my new political hero these days too: [http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/08/angela_merkel_becomes_the_star_of_g20_with_epic_eye_roll_at_putin.html] ). ;-) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::But for the US DAD-IS list in general, you don't have to take my word for it, you know enough about breeding and genetics to see how bad the USA list at DAD-IS is for yourself. I have to rant, though. The 40-some breeds listed are not all of the breeds present in the USA and the list is pretty random, with no clear criterion for inclusion -- they aren't listed on account of being either rare or common (the QH and Morgan are very popular; the Cracker horse is rare), or for being American-developed (The AK and the Clydesdale are listed, the Standardbred is not) or anything else. I see some breed pages reference a 1993 FAO breed survey, who knows... it could go back to some list done up around in 1950. They also have some totally horse-ignorant WTF content, such as saying the Missouri Fox Trotter is "usually brownish-orange" ([http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009005 yes, they really did]) or do absurd things like listing the "Palomino" as a breed (see [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009009 here]) when it is genetically impossible to fix the color as a breed trait... Palomino is an incomplete dominant There is a Palomino color breed registry, but it admits all breeds based only on observed color, including at least one flaxen chestnut purebred Arab. (A good rant on that [http://tackytackoftheday.blogspot.com/2010/11/arabians-do-not-come-in-buckskin-or.html here]) The DAD-IS also lists Assateague and Chicoteague horses both, even though they live on the same island and are the same breed (a state line crosses the Island, that's the only difference, it's political not genetic). And I doubt it reflects a true genetic bank: I doubt they have germplasm from a "broomtail", because there is no such thing -- and the "Conestoga" (also questionable as to if a breed or a type) definitely was not extant into the era of DNA sampling. In short, the issues of rare breed preservation and conservation breeding are separate from the issues of developing new commercially-viable breeds and the government is not involved with either one. Thus, my conclusion that the DAD-IS list is next to useless for the USA other than, maybe, the info available nowhere else (say, if we do a Conestoga horse article). But review for yourself... have you ever heard of a "Moroccan Spotted"...? new one for me… |2=rather long rant|bg=#F0F0F0}}[[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that. [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#DAD-IS]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 06:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Mass Deletion in [[Aurochs]] ==
Sorry sir, I just edit some in [[Aurochs]] but I don't know that I suddenly delete so much characters and save. I'm so sorry sir for anything what I've done. [[User:Jaspergeli|Jaspergeli]] ([[User talk:Jaspergeli|talk]]) 02:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:We all make mistakes, {{u|Jaspergeli}}, but not all are as easy to fix as this one was. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== suspected of sock puppetry ==

very sorry for any of my mistake. password of my previous account was lost. so I have to register another account. my previous account is not in any use.I am not using another account. I hope you will understand my situation.please do me a favor to understand my problem. I request you to take back deletion request.I am new at Wikipedia facing many problems help me to be editor like you.sorry for my poor English — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|contribs]]) 14:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal}}, if by "my previous account" you mean {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}, it really doesn't matter whether you've lost the password or not, as you are indefinitely blocked for misuse of more than one account – misuse which it appears may be continuing. If that's not who you are, you can make your case at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kjp007]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Contributions to Janet Echelman ==

Hello, Justlettersandnumbers,
I am writing to you here to discuss your conflict of interest citing to multiple of my edits on Janet Echelman's page and her related pages. All information on the pages that I added is information that can be obtained by reading her website, press about her works, and related websites like unnumberedsparks.com. I am not a paid employee for Janet Echelman and am concerned by all of the reversion that has been done to my edits.
Thanks, [[User:Artisteditorial|Artisteditorial]] ([[User talk:Artisteditorial|talk]]) 15:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== Ping ==

Pinged you at Yanardag talk, but I had a typo and it didn't send. Ongoing discussion and more source content. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Unwarranted Deletions ==

Hello. I am one of the primary editors on the [[VCU School of the Arts]] page. I saw that you removed quite a bit of text from the article yesterday, but many of your edits seem ill-informed. You claim that the persons listed under "Alumni" have no sources to support their attendance at VCUarts. However, the Wikipedia entries for [[Diana al-Hadid]], [[Sam Beam]], [[Tara Donovan]], [[Teresita Fernández]], [[GWAR]], [[Jason Butler Harner]], [[Donwan Harrell]], [[Michael Hearst]], [[Sterling Hundley]], [[Zachary Knighton]], [[Philip B. Meggs]], [[Wiley Miller]], [[Steve Segal]], [[Carol Sutton (artist)|Carol Sutton]], [[Alice Tangerini]], [[Phil Trumbo]], and [[Mike Wieringo]] all mention Virginia Commonwealth University as their alma mater. In fact, the Sam Beam source that you explicitly claim bears "no mention of this school" ([[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2007/09/iron-wine.html Paste Magazine]]) in fact does so quite plainly. "With a BFA from Virginia Commonwealth..." begins the third paragraph; a Bachelor of Fine Arts is only obtainable as a studio arts student. Beam has also spoken in interviews about painting his own album covers, which I would be happy to cite as well.

I'm curious to know why you did not check the corresponding articles. If it was a matter of sourcing, the citations could have been borrowed from each person's respective article. Though many of these individuals' pages are poorly written, I don't suppose it is my duty to touch up every page linked across a single article. You also left a single link to [[List of Virginia Commonwealth University alumni]] lingering after you deleted the VCUarts list, despite ''its'' lack of sources.

Admittedly, checking back I've noticed that some of the individuals I included are alumni of the university and not the school specifically; I can remove their names from a future list. Nevertheless, practicing slash-and-burn across whole swaths of text contributes little to the improvement of an article. It would have been far more helpful for you to check the corresponding pages, verify the sources, and introduce them into the existing text. I have noticed on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VCU_School_of_the_Arts&action=history history page] that I am the only editor to make significant positive contributions to [[VCU School of the Arts]] since May. I understand that my editing career on the encyclopedia is far less illustrious than most, and I certainly am not asking for lenience or leeway, but collaboration would be welcome.

Furthermore, your assertion that "Wikipedia is built on independent reliable sources and cares little or nothing what people or bodies say about themselves" is just plain silly. Wikipedia editors regularly employ direct, primary, and reflexive sources to describe a copywritten entity, organization, business, or other collective or private body. The [[featured article]] [[Homer Simpson]] cites DVD commentary via the character's creator; the page for [[Harvard University]] cites Harvard's official website and fact sheets ''throughout''; [[Yale University|Yale]], [[University of Oxford|Oxford]], [[University of Virginia|UVA]], [[Museum of Modern Art|MoMA]], and [[Louvre]] all cite official websites and communications to support the same information that you claim is unsuitable for primary sources. Standards and guidelines without precedent is mere platitude.

I am writing this not as a reprimand or to instigate an argument. You are clearly an accomplished editor who feels strongly about this website and your role in making it the best that it can be. But I do mean to impress upon you that I would like to build this article into something more in-line with the standards of Wikipedia—and I cannot do that alone. Deletion without consideration of how the text could be improved only sets the entire page back. [[User:Doopliss77|Doopliss77]] ([[User talk:Doopliss77|talk]]) 18:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your recent edit ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pazzi_family&curid=215624&diff=791288392&oldid=791286589 This] is just rude. Please read [[WP:BITE]] and [[WP:CIVIL]].

Not only was it downright bad manners, you're also incorrect. Medieval is a legitimate spelling in many parts of the world and is widely accepted on Wikipedia. See our article [[Middle_Ages#Terminology_and_periodisation]]. Oh and [[WP:ENGVAR]]. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]] 09:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:Well, er, yes, exactly – [[WP:ENGVAR]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== [[Mayuto Correa]] ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. Thanks for keeping an eye on this. I presume you saw the utter dog's dinner the editor in question had made previously in expanding the discography. Took me nearly an hour to clean it up yesterday. Having said that, I restored his latest edits as they simply put the discography in chrono order, which is actually a help and the work added checks out. '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive242#Mayuto_Correa Here's]''' the rather messy background to this article and its COI editors, who may or may not be the same person. Grrrrrr. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 11:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:You've done all the work there, {{u|Voceditenore}}, so all thanks to you. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Mark T. Johnston ==

I wasn't sure how the system works at Wikipedia so I created my article after fixing an error in the James E. Avant article then by using the many existing articles with stubs I found at [[:Category:American horse racing biography stubs]] as a guideline. There are numerous of them that have less info/citations than mine. Here is a list of a few. Should I move these to a DRAFT page for editing improvement?

Thank you for your help.

[[James E. Avant]] 
[[Frank "Buddy" Abadie]] 
[[Whitey Abel]] 
[[Menotti Aristone]] 
[[Patricia Cooksey]] 
[[Bill Cubbedge]] 
[[Cam Gambolati]] 
[[Edwin J. Gregson]] 
[[George Martens (jockey)]] 
[[Robert H. Tourtelot]] 
[[Marion Van Berg]] 
[[Ian Wilkes]]

== Expand template reverts ==

Am getting a lot of "already reverted" warnings in trying to do "June 10" which I have checked out. Can you please use {{tl|Checking}} on whatever date you want to do, so we don't duplicate effort? Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:04, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

:I've abandoned June 10 for too many "already reverted" (but not every single one; are you jumping around in the list?) Anyway, I'll pick another date, you can complete [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Ettrig&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=2017-06-10&end=2017-06-10 June 10] at your leisure. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

== COIN ==

FYI: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Janet Echelman]] — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 00:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Case opened ==

You were recently listed as a party to or recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by August 6, 2017, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''Mini''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''apolis''''']] 17:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
The article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has failed [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Johannes Engel]] for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 02:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

== Heiner Thiel in collection of Scottdale's museum ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i emailed the museum and got the confirmation that they do have a work of Heiner Thiel in their collection. Quote: "We do have a sculpture by Heiner Thiel in our collection and I have attached a photo for you to see. It is “Untitled” and measures 36 inches high x 33 inches wide x 5 inches deep, and is made of aluminum. We do not have our collection available online yet, but are working on adding it to our website." - These info come from the Registrar of the museum. - Question: is this enough to verify the fact and could i add thus this to the site or is this still insuffient? Please let me know, what you think. Thanks. --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 19:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|Gyanda}}, Wikipedia is built on what is reported in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]]. Unlike in the academic world, where this kind of personal communication is common and is regarded as fully reliable, here if there isn't a reliable '''published''' source for the information we don't include it in our pages. So I think it's better to leave it out for now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your help. I rest my case. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 13:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your edits to Native Art Department International ==

First you move the article into a draft space telling me there aren't enough references even though barely 24 hours have passed and I'm [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:A21sauce years more experienced as an editor] than you. Then you get pissy when I simply revert your changes when I have more than enough references and decide you don't like the article anyway. Wikipedia is fun, but it's no place to use as a cudgel for your own cultural bias and inexperience. Both Maria Hupfield and Jason Lujan have shown extensively as artists--you can look that up yourself quite easily. Stop enacting the [[white supremacy]] that is ruining the world right now. thanks--[[User:A21sauce|A21sauce]] ([[User talk:A21sauce|talk]]) 02:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:A21sauce, you need to read or reread wikipedia's rules on [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] and [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]]. I've worked with JLAN for a number of years and collaborated on dozens of articles. This editor is experienced and has a passion for high quality (along with a sharp tongue and no sufferance for fools). I've had my disagreements with JLAN over the years over issues related to a European-based viewpoint, but your accusations of "inexperience" and "white supremacy" are completely uncalled for. It was rightly pointed out to you that the ''quality'' of your edits is the issue. As an experienced editor yourself, you should know better than to make such broad-based, ''ad hominem'' attacks. I've been a member of [[WP:IPNA]] for a number of years and I have not ever witnessed JLAN expressing bias against Native American people or any other ethnic group; if anything, this is an editor with a strong interest in other cultures. Now, please either find more sources to establish that the topic is notable and not merely a PR piece, or move the article to draft space or a user sandbox until it is ready for prime time. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|A21sauce}}, however experienced you believe you are, you created [[Native Art Department International|a poorly-referenced BLP article]] which did not adequately demonstrate the notability of the subject. I moved it to draft space so that you could develop it at your leisure, but you chose to undo that. Now the community [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Native Art Department International|will decide whether it should be kept]]. If the topic is notable you need only to add the sources which demonstrate that notability – as you could easily have done when you created the page. By the way, how is [[Akiko Nagashima]] notable? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:10, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::(AFD stalker..) I thought this was a good nomination. The 'organization' just isn't notable.[[Special:Contributions/104.163.142.4|104.163.142.4]] ([[User talk:104.163.142.4|talk]]) 08:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== A beer for you ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Mr.justlettersandnumbers, thanks for the observation, a friend of mine was responsible for searching and adding the links, he ended up just pointing to wikipedia for every other link after a few ones and ended up adding a slash('/') to an '.html' page, which was really our main source of reference. Thanks Again. [[User:Surge10|Surge10]] ([[User talk:Surge10|talk]]) 12:42, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
|}

== [[Tawag ng Tanghalan (season 2)]] ==

Hey, please bring back my article. The season's semi finals just started today so 1 source can be found. I'm about to put the source when you delete the page. It's already there on the draft page and I've submitted it for review. Thanks. [[User:Leo kingston|Leo kingston]] ([[User talk:Leo kingston|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

== [[James D. Spaniolo]] ==

Many thanks. I'll work on it some more. - Kent [[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 14:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Added a number of references to this article to substantiate material presented and have submitted today. Thanks for your review. ([[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 15:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC))

== Kawina Surinamese music ==

Fair enough you moved it to draft - but the English language version of Wikipedia needed an ambiguous template for 'kawina'
What I wrote on Kawina is factually correct and I don't have time to put more energy in it. Your choice either you leave it for someone else to add info to or you just let it rot away in the draft space ;-) [[User:Rdeman|Rdeman]] ([[User talk:Rdeman|talk]]) 01:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
:Really it's your choice, {{u|Rdeman}} – in general it's [[WP:BURDEN|up to the person who adds the content]] to make sure it is supported by suitable reliable sources. Unfortunately we already have many, many thousands of poorly-referenced articles, and I for one don't want that number to increase. The genre seems to be just barely notable by our standards, so we should perhaps have an article on it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright violations ==

Hello talk:Justlettersandnumbers,

Are you still involved with copyright violations? If so, I stumbled upon [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|this article]]. It appears that there's some serious copyright violations, especially in the "The attack" section. What do you suggest we do from here? [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 08:29, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|EtienneDolet}}! I'm actually taking a bit of a break from [[WP:CP]] at the moment, but I looked at [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush]]. I'm not immediately seeing any problem; the attack paragraph started out like {{oldid|May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|420528332|this}} in 2011, and has evolved naturally since then. No serious copying jumps to my eye (OK, "33 soldiers and 5 civilians" could have been rephrased). Have I missed something obvious? What do you see that is troubling you? From what source? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== 13:59:37, 8 August 2017 review of submission by IssaDeK ==
{{Lafc|username=IssaDeK|ts=13:59:37, 8 August 2017|declined=Draft:Richard_Hirschbaeck}}

Dear Justlettersandnumbers. Thank you for your review and helpful comments on the Richard Hirschbaeck artist page. I am at the moment trying to improve the page based on your suggestions. I am an administor of the Richard Hirschbaeck estate, but I wished to make the article as my own contribution to the work of Richard Hirschbaeck. I am trying to attain more independent sources for the writing, to write in a more neutral tone and not reference the website itself too much. I have permission from the copyright owners of the estate to use material and excerpts from the website, therefor, the copyright has not been violated. As for the "notability", it is a case which is, I guess, hard to argue. I will cite as many independent sources as possible, and I would like to note that an entry in the German National Library does imply by itself notability, where Hirschbaeck is mentioned. Any other guides would be very helpful. Best regards.

Hi! Why did you delete my edit? I think it was an important edit, and I feel that when we work together and do not judge, it helps. Besides, it was a good edit. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.193.80.5|206.193.80.5]] ([[User talk:206.193.80.5#top|talk]]) 12:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC) 

== Colette Mazzucelli ==

Thanks for your help on [[Draft:Colette Mazzucelli]]. I am an OTRS volunteer who has been in contact with the subject about 'her' article. I restored it to draft space because I suspect that the 30 kilobytes removed from the article history (due to undisclosed paid editing by a blocked sockpuppet of someone who advertises Wikipedia editing services on LinkedIn) may actually have some content in it that demonstrates notability of the subject. The article was deleted for lack of notability some time after that content had been removed. I have also pointed out [[WP:NACADEMIC]] to Dr Mazzucelli, who assured me that she and her colleagues will make every effort to comply with that and other applicable guidelines in getting her article up to Wikipedia standards before submitting it for review.

I'd appreciate if you kept an eye on it, and also appreciate any improvements you care to make. If you believe the subject is notable and will survive another AFD round, feel free to move it back to main space. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

:Oh, I see you're an OTRS volunteer also. If you want the background for proper context, please see {{OTRS ticket|9391458|2016082710007096}}. It's an old ticket from a year ago, and I took it over on 22 July this year. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Anachronist}} – I've been aware of this for a while. Personally, I don't see the notability, but I'm prepared to be convinced. I note with amusement that [[Special:Contributions/SamsonFerenc|her pet cat]] is now editing the page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Hathorn ==

See the goings-on at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn]] during the last few minutes. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 12:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I have just rewritten [[Thomas Hal Phillips]], which is on the [[Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/20110727_12|CCI list]]. I'm am utterly bamboozled regarding what I am supposed to do in order to indicate that the article is now effectively new. Do you have any idea? - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 18:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
: I've marked it as cleaned. You can use {{tlsx|CPC|c}}. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 19:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
::OK, thanks very much for that. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 19:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Yep, though it may not be the best or only way to do it. Taking stuff out of order: '''after''' you are sure the page is clean, the steps are:
:::* add <nowiki>{{subst:cclean|url= url, including "http://" |CCI= SomeUser }}</nowiki> to the talk page; if you didn't identify any specific copyvio and just presumptively removed all his text, just leave the url blank; SomeUser is just the CCI name, so here 20110727
:::* if you did identify a specific copyvio, use {{tl|copyvio-revdel}} (on the article) to ask for all revisions containing it to be hidden
:::* go to the CCI, edit the section; delete everything after the first colon (all the diffs), and add a {{tl|y}}, {{tl|?}} or {{tl|n}} depending on what you found, perhaps with a word or two of explanation ("cleaned", "rewritten", "presumptively removed", etc) and sign

:::For what it's worth, what I do to be sure the page really is clean is:
:::* if it's an obvious copyvio, make a note of where from; but if it's not obvious, waste no time searching for a source and just presumptively remove instead, which a CCI specifically allows us to do; in either case:
:::* if he created it, remove all running text, save, then start the rewrite
:::* If he added stuff later, either revert to the preceding version or completely remove the bit(s) he added, save, rewrite
:::All this may seem like a lot of bureaucracy, but in the end it's the rewriting that takes the time.

:::Oh, another thing you can do instead of taking them to AfD is blank them and list them at [[WP:CP]], where they are liable for speedy deletion after seven days unless a viable rewrite has been proposed in the interim. You probably know all this, of course. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, i don't know what is happening. Everything i write for the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel is verified and correct.
What am i doing wrong and why are you not accepting this?
please let me know how to move forward and what i;m doing wrong as i really do not understand. Everything i have written is factual and with links to appropriate places.
your help and explanation would be appreciated,
thank you
denis — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:35, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 

== PAD!ES ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel
re this site. i make changes that are all verified and don't understand what i'm doing wrong that whatever is up gets taken down. and incomplete information is put up.
why is this and what can i do to make the changes that are all verified with links to prove correct to make them permanent?
thank you for your help and please explain why you are taking these down and what i need to do. Curiously enough all of this was up for a very long time until you saw problems.
please explain and help me understand what i need to do to have this corrected.
thanks
ideas person — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:42, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Ideasperson}}, I left the edit summary "Rm a mas[s] of unreferenced stuff, including copyvio from http://chateaudepadies.wordpress.com/about/". Content you add to Wikipedia must be [[WP:verifiable|verifiable]] by reference to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and must not be [[WP:COPYVIO|copied]] from other published material such as books or websites. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Marawi - citations needed ==

Hi, I'd appreciate if you specified what was the problem with citations in that article instead of just adding a refimprove template. [[User:Alaexis|Alaexis]][[User_talk:Alaexis|¿question?]] 04:33, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Alaexis}}, there was no problem with the citations as such, but for a cultivar with hundreds of years of history there are surely better sources than a couple of newspaper articles – reference works on viticulture and oenology, for example. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
== Draftify log ==

I have had a chat with Evad37, and at my request he modified the [[User:Evad37/MoveToDraft]] tool to add a 'Draftify log' functionality similar to the CSD log functionality of twinkle. I know that you are a regular user of the tool and thought that you might like to know as it seems like a useful way to keep track of draftifications afterward. All you need to do to activate the tool is to create a page at [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/Draftify log]]. Cheers and keep up the good work. — '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|InsertCleverPhraseHere]] ([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])''''' 06:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Insertcleverphrasehere}}, that seems to be a good idea. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Edit on ''Blockbuster LLC'' ==

Hello, you recently reverted my edit on [[Blockbuster LLC]] on the basis of Spam. I added The Blockbuster Fan Page as an external link, because they track the open franchise-owned Blockbuster stores. I don't completely know all of Wikipedia's rules, so I'd like for you to explain why the edit was removed. -[[User:KevinTheGuy|KevinTheGuy]] ([[User talk:KevinTheGuy|talk]]) 22:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, {{u|KevinTheGuy}}, that wasn't a good choice of edit summary on my part – I'd have done better to cite [[WP:NOTLINK]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Interdisciplinary Design for the Built Environment ==

I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia, and perhaps not fully familiar with all its conventions. But I am struggling a bit to understand the justification for peremptorily merging/redirecting this page. By comparison, why does the page you created: '''Young Man with a Horn (Miles Davis album)''' have its own page? Does it have more visibly independently-sourced content? Why is it not simply merged into the general Miles Davis page? I've always thought the whole point about html was that you could have a series of independent pages with, crucially, links to follow up whatever was of interest making it possible to navigate and follow up anything you wanted. If things are all merged together, that becomes a whole lot more difficult. Very disappointed. [[User:Torino-Topolino|Torino-Topolino]] ([[User talk:Torino-Topolino|talk]]) 16:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Clarifying [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] ==

Hello. Your comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chinese_Academy_of_Sciences&diff=prev&oldid=799626965 here] made me think that an RfC at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]] intended to clarify whether [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] should apply to more than just primary sources would be a good idea. Let me know if you want to contribute to its wording. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 10:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for this, {{u|Cordless Larry}}; in an ideal world I'd say "yes, of course that needs to be done". In this less-than-perfect one, I see broad scope for extended discussion leading to an inconclusive result. Sorry, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC) P.S. let me know if you do start it, though.
::Well, it's not an RfC (yet), but I did start a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Does/should WP:NOFULLTEXT apply to more than just primary sources?]] and your comments would be welcome. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

==A furious prosimian for you==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your careful and dependable work to find and remove copyright violations. It's a painstaking job. Thanks!--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 11:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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:That's a very charming prosimian, {{u|Fuhghettaboutit}}, I'm delighted to receive it, thank you! I often notice with pleasure your clear and accurate explanations of copyright policy. We seem to be steadily sinking under the weight of copyvio (though probably less rapidly than we are under the weight of paid/COI editing). If you have any thoughts on how and where an attempt might be started to make some impression the [[WP:CCI]] backlog (78000 pages last time I looked), I'd be interested to hear/discuss them – even the CCI request process is backlogged. Meanwhile, I thought I'd have a go at the much smaller list oustanding at [[WP:CP]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks Justlettersandnumbers! I would have responded sooner but I've barely been on the past few days (issues in RL). You're echoing my feeling, especially of late—of the extent of the mountain we face. I actually [[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit#Junopolo|wrote a post expressing similar sentiment (pessimism)]] (mostly about paid editing) just by coincidence about a half hour before your post above. Would that a knew what to do. I see no way that any of it can be tackled without ''many'' new editors, both willing to do thankless work, and capable. Of course, in the short term, on the specific issue of CCI, there's always a drive of some sort, maybe set up as a competition, with virtual awards to be given, prefaced by a training page? Maybe the fact that the ACTRIAL trial is running has freed up some hands to put to use more than usual? Just thinking out loud. But if you think that nascent, half-formed idea has any currency, I'd be happy to try to collaborate. Of course, though I do a lot of copyright work, I do little on the CCI backlog end of matters. I believe copyright work is vital, but that area of it I must tell you I find mmm... numbing, despite knowing its importance.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 03:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Thinking about anything I could do to lessen the load, I noticed that {{tl|db-g12}} instructs admin to list at WP:CP if they decline the tagging, rather than providing any nudge to clean up remaining copyright problems themselves, if willing and able. So, I've made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Db-g12&diff=prev&oldid=801881682 this edit], linking admins to the copyright violations section I wrote at [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol]].--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
: Randomly dropping by to express my appreciation for your copyright violation work too! [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|Talk]] 15:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== BVIS ==

Hello. I was just perusing your RFPP request. It seems there is [[British Vietnamese International School|BVIS Ho Chi Minh City]], then [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/en/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bvis BVIS Hanoi], then additionally a [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bis BIS Hanoi]. Actually there's also a [[British International School Ho Chi Minh City|BIS Ho Chi Minh City]]. I'm sure how they should be consolidated, if at all, but I thought I'd just mention that BIS Hanoi is not BVIS Hanoi. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 09:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:Aargh, thanks, {{u|zzuuzz}}! – I checked that they were in the same city, owned by the same company, didn't look up the actual physical addresses. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::Understandable, and quite a confusing situation they have there (the RFPP request remains, btw) -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 19:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

== BIS Hanoi redirected link? Huyennguyen243 ==
Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I have created an article for British International School Hanoi since August however my article has been continuously redirected to British Vietnamese International School Hanoi at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Vietnamese_International_School_Hanoi. A volunteer on Wikipedia suggested me to talk to you about this. I'd like to explain that the two schools are separate and have differentiation in curriculum & student body although we are owned by the same company and locate in Hanoi. Could you please help to undo the redirect the BIS Hanoi article to BVIS Hanoi's one? Any further information please let me know. Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Huyennguyen243|Huyennguyen243]] ([[User talk:Huyennguyen243#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huyennguyen243|contribs]]) 04:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest]] ==
Hi. Thankyou for your participation in the challenge series or/and contests. In November [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|The Women in Red World Contest]] is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If this would appeal to you and you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on women during this month for your region or wherever please sign up in the participants section. The articles done may also count towards the ongoing challenge. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Help would also be appreciated in drawing up the lists of missing articles. If you think of any missing articles please add them to the sub lists by continent at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles|Missing articles]]. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 08:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Edo Segal]]==
Hello. Thank you for making me aware of the edit warring policy. Is there any way we can get the page deleted? The content that's been approved and remains up there is unimportant and irrelevant, and the mention of the Golani Brigade could potentially be damaging given recent news. Is there a Wikipedia criterion for deletion that fits this reasoning? Thank you! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Claire.c.n|Claire.c.n]] ([[User talk:Claire.c.n#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Claire.c.n|contribs]]) 18:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC) 
*I don't know what "recent events" you're talking about--that stuff about the brigade is well verified, in an online article, and you added, or re-added it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edo_Segal&diff=803939278&oldid=803936678 yourself]. But what you could do is pull different, more relevant content from that article. And I say "could" because I don't know if ''you'' can--I have not seen you edit the article neutrally. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Drmies}} – as you've seen, there's very little in the page (which is why I've proposed merging it). I don't know exactly how that stuff got there, but I think I may have written some of it – the page has an extensive and tedious history of COI and copyvio. {{u|Claire.c.n}}, your first step is probably to declare what [[WP:COI|connection]] you have to Segal (your use of "we" makes it pretty obvious that there is such a connection), and specifically whether you [[WP:PAID|receive any payment of any kind]] from Segal or any of his businesses (paid editors '''must''' declare the source of payments they receive, in accordance with our [[WP:Terms of Use|Terms of Use]]). Once that's out of the way, you can request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page; there are instructions there on how to go about that. If you wish, you can try [[WP:AFD|nominating the page for deletion]], but I think he's been written about just enough that the nomination would possibly not succeed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Hmm that other article really has no meat on it either, does it. This Edo Segal guy is kind of interesting (though that one article is waaaaay too puffy) and has been mentioned a few more times, but I don't know how much more we can get out of him. One thing you could consider is sending it to AfD... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Indeed, {{u|Drmies}}, he certainly does not seem to be just your ordinary successful businessman. I must admit I've not looked very hard for further sources for the page, probably because there are so many other topics I'd rather be writing about. You? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Google News didn't have much to add. I may come back to this to see if AfD is a valid option. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Graphic artists]] ==

I don't think this is a viable category. It will get deleted. I suggest you use one of the others in [[:Category:Artists by genre]].[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 11:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Rathfelder}}, you may well be right. Which of those categories is, in your opinion, the right one for [[Graphic arts|graphic artists]] – artists who work in graphic media such as silk-screen, woodcut, engraving etc., but are not by any stretch of the imagination [[graphic design]]ers, who prepare advertising copy and the like? By the way, I don't think we should categorise people by nationality unless the nationality is stated, with reference, in the article text. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping you knew the answer to that question, because I don't. Maybe "Graphic artists" could be a useful category, but if so it needs to be populated. Perhaps you could have a look at the entries under graphic designers and see if any of them would be better there? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 12:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's a good idea, {{u|Rathfelder}}, thank you; I'll see what substantial categories I can add to it, rather than piecemeal individuals. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

== Interesting article, possible source ==

[https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.attelage-patrimoine.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fle-commerce-du-cheval-de-travail.html&edit-text= This article on working horses in France] is the google translate version, if you can read it in the original French, it may be better. But looks like it may have good info on some of the French horse breeds, possibly including some on the extinct breeds list. Anyway, thought it might be up your alley. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia ==

Hi

Thanks for your changes to [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia]] on dealing with text that has been added under a license that isn't compatible with Wikipedia. I think that the sentence 'Please do NOT attempt to rephrase the text without first removing it, as this can give rise to a [[wikipedia:Derivative work|derivative work]]' might be a bit confusing. I'm trying to write this page to be usable by people who are fairly new to Wikipedia. Is there any guidance anywhere on 'how much/how to' rephrase copyrighted material so it doesn't create a derivative work? This is quite unclear, the current sentence makes it sound a bit like you can't rephrase text from another source at all.

Thanks again

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 09:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|John Cummings}}! I'm certainly open to suggestions on how that sentence could be improved. Here's my take on the sticky question of "rephrasing":
:# we don't do it – it tends to lead to [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]
:# what we do is write new text, in our own words, to express the ideas, concepts and facts in the sources
:# if there's been a copyright violation (content copied more or less directly from a source), then it needs to be removed, either by reverting to the version before it was inserted, or by excising the copyright content and any text that derives from it (see the instructions at [[WP:CP]])
:# if instead someone fiddles with the wording a bit to make it slightly different from the source, the problem is not solved and a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]] may have been created (like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa); that modified text will still need to be removed.
:I'm aware that others may have a rather more tolerant attitude to rewriting problem text without first removing it, but I'm not sure that that tolerance is in accordance with our policy (by which I mean, I don't think it is). I'll have a look at the text I added to your page and see if I can suggest something better – I wrote that in some haste, as I wanted to try to correct what appeared to me to be some quite mistaken advice. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Justlettersandnumbers}}, thanks very much for your thoughts, perhaps something like this? I'm trying to keep the instructions accurate but succinct, TLDR is a real issue:
# Remove the text and attribution from the article , either by reverting to the version before it was inserted (being careful not to lose any other work done on the article), or by [[WP:CP|deleting the text]].
# Rewrite the text in your own words and avoid [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]] which will create a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]].
[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 11:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Heiner Thiel]] ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, recently i worked on the article and found that there were all these ''ref name''-tags, which i couldn't understand. And then i re-entered the original links, with the result that now this message came ''Cite error: A list-defined reference named "ref9" is not used in the content (see the help page).'' and this got me very nervous. I asked at the help-desk, how i could erase this and someone wrote that you were so kind to work on the formatting of the article and had put the ref name tags there... and now i erased all your work, i just didn't understand, why they were there. Could you please help me to understand? I don't want to do things wrong and i can only excuse myself for having erased all the work and effort you put into it. It was just that i did not understand. Sorry. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Gyanda}}, there's nothing to apologise for, please don't give this another thought. I made those changes because I couldn't make head or tail of an early version of the page. If you've now worked out how to do without them that's fine with me. However, I remain concerned both that Thiel is not really notable by our standards, and that you may have some personal or professional connection to him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::The only connection i have is that i like his art. I'm only writing on abstract artists, whose work i like. I try to build up some knowledge on the terms of this part of art, as i haven't studied it - but studied literature instead. So i still have to learn a lot about art and it is a nice work as i am retired now and do have lots of time (and am not very mobile, due to physical handicap, so i do my best to be useful still :-). Thank you very much for your work on the article! Kind regards, Gyanda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gyanda|contribs]]) 20:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC) 

== What was wrong with this statement? ==

Art Research Center First Exhibition: October 29 1966 to January 31 1967 Kansas City, MO Public Library, 12th & Oak. Seven members participated in the first ARC Exhibition. Michael Stephens, Constructive Artist, Designer, Lecturer, Nancy Ann Stephens, Artist, Designer, Jon B. Thogmartin, Architect, Structural Artist,Norton Nelkin, Wittgensteinian, Philosopher, Theoretician, Gary Rice, Theoretician, Computer, Programmer, Philip J. VanVoorst, Artist, Graphic Designer,John Abbick, Artist, Conceptual Modeler,Harold Chase, Systematic Artist. Source The Kansas City Star Nov 13 1966 ([[User:Philboyxp|Philboyxp]] ([[User talk:Philboyxp|talk]]) 17:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC))
:Well, quite a lot, I'm afraid, {{u|Philboyxp}}. Relatively minor problems are that It's All Capitalised As If It Were The Title Of A Book Or Something, and that it is nonsense (do you really believe that Gary Rice was a computer as well as a programmer, that Nelkin could have been a [[Wittgenstein]]ian if he were not also a philosopher?). More serious problems are your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] in relation to this page, and the apparently insuperable difficulty that most if not all of these people are fairly thoroughly non-[[WP:notable|notable]], such that listing them in an article does not really expand our understanding at all. I'll leave a note on the talk-page about conflict of interest and how to handle it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

==Lau==
My error,of course. I obviously should have either deleted or rewritten much more thorly ,but the simplest thing noe id delete it snd I just did that. Apparently I was working too late at night. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 16:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:I'm so sorry, I meant to leave you a note to say just that – that some of the problematic initial text had slipped through your rewrite, but I forgot – I've been very caught up in real life today and have only visited very briefly here. How I wish that we had a real-time copyvio check on page creations that would simply block the save function on text that appears to be copied. It'd stop a lot of run-of-the-mill copyvio, but would also catch the occasional good-faith mistake such as this one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:::It would have stopped this, but there are always borderline problems--the programs we have mark lists of publications and similar uncopyrightable text that could not be expressed otherwise as copyvio. More generally, there's of course the problem of how much effort to use on rewriting promotional articles. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 17:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Art gallery editing Wikipedia articles ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I have a question: I work for an Art gallery. My job involves curating and writing about some of the artists we host. I've been getting acquainted with Wikipedia these last few days to see how I may be able to contribute within guidelines. Would my contributions be considered COI editing? I am not paid by the artists involved, but my employer is an arts organization that hosts some of these artists. I noticed you have been involved in editing Wikipedia articles for some of the artist pages I would like to contribute to, so thought you'd be a good editor to ask for advice. Thank you for your help :-) Liz [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 12:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|CroatianNeptune}}, and thanks for asking! In my personal opinion, yes, you would be considered to have a [[WP:COI]] in relation to any artist or work that the gallery markets, and should limit your contributions to our articles on them to talk-page requests (ask if you don't know how to do that). Based on what you say, I'm pretty sure that you should also make a [[WP:PAID|paid editor disclosure]]. But that's just my opinion; if you'd like a more general view, you could ask at the [[WP:COIN|conflict-of-interest noticeboard]]. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
::: Hi [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]], Thank you for your advice. I will follow it. Best wishes. [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 13:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== Joel Selanikio Edits ==

Hi, I saw that you removed significant portions of the article on [[Joel Selanikio]] due to some citation and user edit issues. The current article, however, references him primarily as a physician, but the original outlined his role as a technology company CEO, as related to the awards still listed on the page. I was wondering your thoughts on why those references were removed as it changes the meaning of the page in its current form. Thanks!  [[User:Chatfielda|Chatfielda]] [[User_talk:Chatfielda|(talk) ]] 18:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I made fifteen or so edits there, {{u|Chatfielda}}. Unless I am much mistaken, I left an edit summary for each of them, so that my reasons for making each change would be quite clear. If there's any that isn't clear to you, please ask (the talk-page of the article would be the best place for that). Oh, and if you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to him, you should disclose it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sussex Chicken ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers,
In the Popular Poultry Breeds source I added, the author talked about how the Sussex chicken came to be, specifically on page 242-243. It basically followed the lineage from the Dorking chicken, which (with the help of the [[Dorking chicken]] page) led to me adding that portion on. Perhaps I phrased something wrong in the next bit, because (from the info I gathered) the naming of the Sussex Chicken came after [[Harrison Weir]] suggested naming chickens from their proper location, which was the Sussex county. I'm pretty sure the county was around the time he was alive because he suggested it again in 1903, but if you can tell me when the county was made, that would be great because I don't have that knowledge. As far as the four and five toes bit, I wanted to get another source, although the same info can be found in the Popular source. Is the Popular source not a good source to cite from? Thanks for looking it over and if you can help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it as a rookie. [[User:John Cartright|John Cartright]] ([[User talk:John Cartright|talk]]) 16:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:Urggh, it seems I forgot to answer you, {{u|John Cartright}} – sorry about that. The Scrivener source appears to be [[WP:RS|reliable]] by our standards – it's published by a small but reputable publishing house. However, I don't think your reading of it and the other sources is accurate – I don't think it is credible that the breed was named by Harrison Weir, or that it derives from the [[Dorking (chicken)|Dorking]], which is characterised by a distinctive fifth toe. Our page on that breed certainly makes some absurd claims, and needs cleaning up. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Making Headway ==

I apologize if I'm not do doing this right, as I'm a wikipedia notice. Somebody on the live help chat said I should contact you. I while back I tried to get a volunteer to set up a page for a non-profit that I work at. I didn't go through that process correctly, but eventually a more experienced wikipedia editors helped me to edit and organize the information, including declaring that I had a connection to the organization. After everything was done, I submitted the entry, but it was rejected twice because "no changes were made". However, there were a lot of changes since the original entry and I have no idea what else needs to be changed. Everything is sources and nothing is promotional. Can you please help. Than you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Making_Headway_Foundation [[User:Danlipka|Daniel Lipka]] ([[User talk:Danlipka|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Smithson yet again! ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. As you know, he's been on a bit of a rampage here in the last two weeks, and an even bigger rampage at Simple WP where they let IPs create articles [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. To make a long story short, I've created [[Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson]]. There needs to be a record of his MO that people can refer to. I think it would be useful to other Wikis as well. The Italians pretty much have his number, but he's been very busy on the Spanish and French Wikis in addition to Simple. I'm going to ask an admin to change the status of the LTA from "pending" to "active". Feel free to tweak it in the meantime. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:That is a great step forward, {{u|Voceditenore}}, thank you for the work you've put into it. I've been thinking about how this should or could be stopped more effectively, and wondering if an edit filter could be set up to flag any edit containing the principal keywords – but I've no idea how edit filters work, or even who to ask ({{u|Crow}}, are you such a person?). Ideally, I think that would be a global filter, if there is such a thing (and if there isn't there should be). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

::More about a filter in a moment. Meanwhile, you might want to keep an eye on [[Draft:Gualtiero Galmanini]] and its creator, a newly registered account. Smithson has been busy lately creating articles about him all over the place, e.g. [[simple:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[:it:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[fr:Gualtiero Galmanini]], '''[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Gualtiero+Galmanini%22 etc.]'''. It might be a coincidence, but I doubt it, given the time frame. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

*About filters, it would have to be one that stipulates it's for IPs only and it would have to filter for the articles themselves and for key words. Some of his targets get a lot of editing by registered users. But even then it might also exclude legitimate IPs, which many find undesirable. I think these normally get raised at ANI to get approval. Perhaps either you or I could post there asking if this is possible. What do you think? By the way, here's the latest example of him sneaking "Lierna" into a non-obvious target: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dieter_Zetsche&type=revision&diff=809018772&oldid=808928471]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:*Yes I'm an Edit Filter Manager so can potentially put something together. If there's a pattern or keyword that are always used, that helps. Looking at the LTA, just by what is given it would be hard to crate something that doesn't cause a large amount of legit edits to be blocked. Feel free to email me such conditions if these should be kept quiet to avoid the sock figuring out how to evade the filter. Thanks, [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 14:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding revert of move ==

I moved the page according to [[Wikipedia:Moving a page]] and I didn't expect the move to be controversial because in my opinion the Italian title of the article is violating [[Wikipedia:Article titles]] which says that the titles of articles are in English. ''Wikipedia:Moving a page'' doesn't say that an article must be discussed before being moved unless it is expected to be controversial. I have a couple of questions: What do you find controversial about the move of the article? Where does it say that the move must be discussed beforehand? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 22:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

:Wow. I mean wow. Did you really have to just click the revert button instead of moving the article to the name you wanted? Did it cross your mind at all the amount of time that I spent editing the article? I spent a few hours on that article and you just push the revert button? Are you for real? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 23:24, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

::I will ask you to do your proper homework before reverting other people's hard work. You should really take into account the significant amount of time that other editors put into editing articles before reverting their work. And this is something that a senior editor as yourself should know. "Dictionary of the Spanish Language" is not an obscure or made up name, it is actually the official translation in English that the Royal Spanish Academy uses for the name in Spanish of its dictionary, Diccionario de la Lengua Española.<ref>http://www.rae.es/sites/default/files/Triptico_RAE_ingles_web.pdf</ref> [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 00:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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:::{{u|Thinker78}}, it seems that you moved [[:Accademia della Crusca]] and [[:Diccionario de la lengua española]] based on a very incomplete understanding of [[WP:AT|our article title policy]], so I reverted the moves. Thank you for starting the move requests, which would probably have been your best first step; so far, it seems I'm not alone in thinking the titles you chose are not the right ones. I also reverted changes you'd made to those two articles following the moves, as my revert had rendered them inappropriate (we use the same name within the article as we do in the page title). As a general rule, you can probably assume that moving a page on a prominent institution from a title that's been stable for thirteen years is almost certain to be controversial unless there's been some relevant recent change in our titling policy. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For doing your homework better than those saying "do your homework" :) [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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== [[Fort Collins, Colorado]] ==

Hi there. I noticed you started [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 115#Layer3 TV]] back in June. Today I stumbled upon [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fort_Collins,_Colorado&diff=prev&oldid=808890767 this] odd-smelling edit to [[Fort Collins, Colorado]]. I also see that [[Jeff Binder]] has a connection to Fort Collins, see [http://www.cobizmag.com/Articles/A-startup-state-of-mind/]. I'm not sure how to re-open this COI discussion. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! Yes, that's a curious edit. I'm not sure I see the connection to Layer3 TV, though, but perhaps that's because I haven't looked hard enough. In any case, to re-start a discussion like that I just start a new one with a title something like "Layer3 TV, again" and a link to the previous one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Touro ==

Hey there, I made a limited effort at putting information at [[Touro College and University System]], but another set of eyes couldn't hurt. I think for a long time, just [[Touro College]] was used as a catchall for the institution and the university network. Made a new category and added appropriate pages to that cat and left the TC cat on pages that were directly related to the home institution. Please have a look if things are up to snuff. If this is of no interest to you and you only came by the page because of the copyvio, I understand that too. Cheers, [[User:JesseRafe|JesseRafe]] ([[User talk:JesseRafe|talk]]) 20:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Barnstar of European Merit ==

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== Jigsaw Records ==

Please do not undo a factually correct and approved article, where significant public interest and sources have coverage. Any further attempt to change this will be reported to an admin to protect the page. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Article missing? Antonino da Patti ==

Greetings, FYI at [[Talk:Antonino da Patti]] Revision history - the ''article'' tab is red linked. Unable to find the article. If article was deleted, should talk go as well? I'm just reporting here as I don't know how to correct. Regards,  [[User:JoeHebda|JoeHebda]] [[User_talk:JoeHebda|(talk) ]] 16:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|JoeHebda}}, and thanks for picking that up. I'd gone and moved the talk page instead of the article itself, not the first time by any means that I've made that particular dumb mistake (I really wish there was a pop-up warning when you try to do that). It's fixed now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni ==

AWB applies ''automatic'' formatting fixes to an article ''independently'' of the specific edit that a user is making — so if it made bad formatting changes of its own while I was in the process of applying the {{tl|uncategorized}} tag, that's a ''software'' bug that needs to be addressed by AWB's programmers, and not a personal error on ''my'' part. And the "uncategorized" tag ''has'' to be there if the article doesn't have any categories on it, so you don't get to dismiss that as a "useless" edit that nobody should have been making at all — there were almost 1,500 articles on the uncategorized articles list yesterday, of which I didn't even manage to get through half so there are still over 800, so one software bug on one article does not require me to forego AWB and ''manually'' tag them all as uncategorized one by one. And further, if you're not familiar with how AWB works, there's no way for me to have "seen I screwed up", as you so angrily put it; it does not ''show'' you the "after" view of a page after you've applied an edit, but rather moves on to the next page in the batch. So I'm sorry it happened, but none of it represents ''me'' screwing up or acting irresponsibly. If there's a bug in AWB's "automated cleanup" programming, that's for AWB's programmers to fix. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 16:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

==Polli==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for your kind message. :-) That user has been blocked on it.wiki as well and we worked on his page too. Thanks for remembering me so kindly the policies about pages' chronology, I know them, since I am sysop on it.wiki since 2006. :-)) But this is a different case. I will try to explain it with my English. At the beginning, I published that text in Polli Corporation, but after a while I discovered that Polli Corporation was a different company (even if not notable and a vandalism), so I copied my text in [[Polli (company)]], a new page. Please note that it was a ''new'' and rewritten page, created from scratch. :) The page [[Polli Corporation]] should be deleted, while the other one is totally new, therefore - in this case - it is not correct to keep the chronology of a vandalism, and I am actually the first user who wrote that text. Hope it helps. Cheers. :) --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 03:11, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

== [[Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes]] ==

Heyo Justlettersandnumbers and thank you for your comments. I have been away from the process and I am not sure about what happens next. I was wondering if your queries were resolved, could you restore the tick per Ashorocetus' review for its promotion? I saw something similar at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Jochen Rindt]] and thought I should message you. Regards, '''''[[User:Yash!|Ya]][[User talk:Yash!|sh]][[Special:Contributions/Yash!|!]]''''' 04:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

== Diana ==
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Hi Jlan. I am back from yoga class and ready to start working in Diana, Princess of Wales. If you could tell me which diffs you have cleared that would be perfect. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Diannaa}}, I did the last seven on my list (# 104–110), and have already removed them from there. The diffs from 111 on shouldn't need checking because that's where I optimistically rolled it back to when I first identified the problem. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I am going to work on it for a couple hours, so stay off for now. Thanks so much for your help. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I am stopping for now. I have completed to and including #85 on your list. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Wow! That's heroic – and the end is in sight. I'll try to do some more tomorrow, working on the other large project in my sandbox at the moment. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::I have finished the rest of the diffs and will be revision-deleting back to the diff about the coat of arms that we talked about. Thanks again for your help with clean-up of this article. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 20:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

== JMO ==

I smell a sockpuppet: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Neonhorseranch&diff=next&oldid=702471679]. Just my opinion. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

==On ethnicity of [[Giovanni Battista Pittoni]]==
I did revert back to Italian. See talk page for artist. No one denies the truth of your assertion, but the consensus has been to call such persons "Italian", and I think there are good reasons for that.
Sydney Joseph Freedberg in his volume, titled "Painting in Italy, 1500-1600", discusses painters from Milan to Venice to Naples. The same is true for Rudolf Wittkower in his Pelican History of Art, "Art and Architecture Italy, 1600-1750". GB Pittoni is mentioned in page 91. Both these are major works in the topic by major scholars. They see a role for using the term "Italian" to describe painters from these regions in these eras. If this is still very contentious, the prior debate would have to be re-opened.[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 19:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

== New sock of "Alec Smithson" ==
Will you report "Max"? I'm off PC, and just with tablet this goes badly..--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 21:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, just doing it now. It couldn't be much more obvious, could it? We should mention this to {{u|Lucas}} too, as he's made a similar account on Italian wp, Utente:Max Araldi. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|Yopie}} Thanks, is there any ip check (check user, I mean) to see? Thanks! --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 02:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Lucas}}, Max was blocked on behavioural similarity. {{u|Yopie}} filed an [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alec Smithson|SPI]] but didn't request checkuser. Regards (to both), [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Yopie}} Ok, it was too old to check (I thought there could be multiple ips), so it's a [[WP:DUCK|duck]]. Thank you both. --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 09:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Lucas}}, checkusers won't link IPs to registered accounts – at least, not publicly. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I am not used to ask for a check directly here on en.wiki and I do know that the policy (at least should) apply interwiki, but as you can see [[:it:Wikipedia:Check user/Richieste|"''sometimes''" it happens]]. ;) In any case, a checkuser may say "yes, there is a postive link with 3 ips that are trying to avoid the block". --[[User:Lucas|Lucas]] ([[User talk:Lucas|talk]]) 17:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::AFIK as former CsArbComm member, this is possible for a checkuser, but you must explicitly demand it. But they dont like it and usualy they prefer behaviour check. With "Alec" we not need it, because his poor English and obsession with Natoli.--[[User:Yopie|Yopie]] ([[User talk:Yopie|talk]]) 00:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== David W. Allan ==

I see you were the one to strip the [[David_W._Allan]] page. David is my father. We spent a lot of time creating that page, with references, etc. I can't fathom why you stripped it. He is a world-leading scientist. What are you? IEEE is doing a feature issue on his Allan Variance soon. http://www.ieee-uffc.org/publications/tr/special-issue-variance-50th.asp

I see that older versions of that page here are unavailable to restore to. Why?

It's this kind of nonsense that spurred me 12 years ago to start http://PESWiki.com, the best exotic free energy website in the world. I can't stand the kind of idiocy that occurs here at Wikipedia, personified by what you just did to the article about my dad. A lot of people worked on that page, then you stripped it, for no good reason.

You should be banned from Wikipedia, but you're probably one of its key administrators.

How do we restore that page? How do we banish you?

-- [[User:Sterlingda|Sterlingda]] ([[User talk:Sterlingda|talk]]) 00:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
: {{Reply to|Sterlingda}} The page will not be restored. The content was removed and old revisions deleted due to copyright violations. (See the [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=David_W._Allan}} log].) — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 02:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Terreña==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 12:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Parnall ==

Thanks for deleting all of the copyvio stuff on [[Parnall]]. I am amazed it could have been undetected for over 13 years. Is it OK to remove some of the empty sub heads etc or should I wait until an admin has done the deletion request? — [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 16:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Rodw}}, and thank you so much for noticing that copyvio and listing it – kudos! You should feel free to edit the remaining skeleton of the page in any way you like (apart from, obviously, sticking back any of the copyvio!), there's no need to wait. As for the age, this has set a new record for me – version 169,000-odd of Wikipedia! It might also have been the oldest text without any significant references in Wikipedia, but who knows? I wish you luck with it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Over my head ==

If you can pop over to [[Međimurje horse]] and help {{u|Tsaag Valren}}, she's got a project going where she's trying to get the horse articles consistent on wikidata, and apparently we have two articles on the same horse breed -- I think. The language issues are over my head, and Tsaag is very active on French wiki, but she values help with her English, so I thought that you might be able to be of more help to her on this project than I am. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]|GO [[Thunder (mascot)|THUNDER!]] 04:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Johannes Engel==
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== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your continued investigations into textual copyright violations such as at [[Anu Malhotra]]. I'm sure you know, but I'll chip in, that it is very much appreciated. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Thank you, {{u|BethNaught}}, for your kind words! For a variety of reasons I've been able to do very little recently. The backlog is completely out of hand, but I'm hoping to chip away at it a bit more often from now on. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

== Bruce Silverstein Gallery ==

Justlettersandnumbers,
Can you please clarify your ongoing issue with the updates being made to the Bruce Silverstein Gallery page? Your comments from the previous edits: "Not an improvement; this page is about the gallery, not a person; copyright violations, too." If you look at other gallery wiki pages (i.e. Pace MacGill) the same format is being used and you do not take issue with this? The gallery owner of any gallery is a large part of the historical and contemporary program of the gallery. Might you suggest ways for the BSG page to be built in a more appropriate manner?

[[Special:Contributions/207.38.161.165|207.38.161.165]] ([[User talk:207.38.161.165|talk]]) 03:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! By far the best way forward for that page is for editors with a [[WP:COI|close personal or professional connection]] with the gallery to keep strictly away from the article and refrain entirely from editing it, but instead propose any desired change on the talk page, [[Talk:Bruce Silverstein Gallery]]. There are instructions on that page on how to do that. Please note that, if the [https://web.archive.org/web/20080206050534/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118125429882128346-search.html?KEYWORDS=silverstein+photography&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month WSJ] says the gallery was "in a 500-square-foot studio on the first floor of a townhouse on West 22nd Street in New York", you cannot simply copy that into Wikipedia; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not tolerated here (it's also against the law). I agree that our article on [[Peter MacGill]] needs attention. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Wondering about ==

a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SNAAAAKE!!#Copyright_problem:_Kaufering_concentration_camp warning] your placed on [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]] about content that had been in [[Kaufering concentration camp]]. I know that particular editor is blocked and could not find his name in the article's editing history (was thinking it could have been one of his socks?) Just curious about how the warning ended up on that user talk page. Thanks, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Shearonink}}! The copyvio at [[Kaufering concentration camp]] was added by user HanzoHattori in 2007. [[User talk:HanzoHattori]] redirects to [[User talk:SNAAAAKE!!]], so that's where I left the notice. I haven't looked at the sock history, though someone will need to if there turns out to be any pattern of copyright violation here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
::I figured it was something like that - what a tangled socking web. Thanks for answering my query, I'm always curious about how Wikipedia works. Cheers, [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your work at [[Bobby Lockwood]] following the copyright violations - thanks. :-) [[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 13:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Just letting you know I removed the circumflex accent from the word "role" - there shouldn't be one on that word. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::Er, are you quite sure about that, {{u|Chesnaught555}}? Here are [http://scholar.google.it/scholar?start=980&q=rôle+-role&hl=en&lr=lang_en&as_sdt=0,5 about 10 000 results on Google Scholar] which seem not to be aware of it. Perhaps you'd like to undo that edit? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah, my apologies. I will undo that. I didn't think the English language had circumflex accents. Still, my apologies, I'll revert it. --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 17:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} Well, [http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/15488/what-is-the-distinction-between-role-and-r%C3%B4le-with-a-circumflex TIL]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 18:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

==Just edited addition to the FIT article ==
Following your very good suggestions, I have sourced my post and placed it where it may more appropriately fit with other dates and foundational information about the college.[[User:Andesite39|Andesite39]] ([[User talk:Andesite39|talk]]) 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Green-legged Partridge==
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}} —[[User:HJ Mitchell|'''HJ Mitchell''']] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|Penny for your thoughts? ]] 00:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright? ==

Does [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infantilization&type=revision&diff=706758503&oldid=706676557 this edit] constitute a copyright violation? [[User:Hawaan12|Hawaan12]] ([[User talk:Hawaan12|talk]]) 04:35, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:Sorry to have been slow to reply, {{u|Hawaan12}}. I see why you ask, but I don't see any real copyvio problem there. However, as an aside, I don't think the ''Beckett and Phenomenology'' source is an appropriate one – it's discussing Beckett's language, not the definition of infantilisation. That should come from a text on that subject. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I did a small re-write a few days ago of the sections that had been highlighted. There's only so many ways to re-word a sentence, so I'm not sure how to approach it. Any suggestions would be appreciated, as it's certainly a notable biography. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 23:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
:I saw that, {{u|Magnolia677}}, but I didn't feel that it had resolved the problem. Rather than re-wording of a sentence or two, what the page needs is to be rewritten in completely new words – your own words. The meaning of the source can freely be reproduced, but not in the same language that the source uses. It often helps if you avoid following the structure of the source too, and drawing from more than one source as you write can also help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== Alec Smithson ==

Well, my last ounce of good faith concerning the current IP at [[Carlo Biotti]] has completely disappeared. At first I thought he might have been a family member, but I'm now quite convinced that it's [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|Alec Smithson]]. Newbie attorney makes edits like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carlo_Biotti&type=revision&diff=707240710&oldid=707220347 this]? Uh huh. Do you think we should apply for page protection or just keep reverting him? The trouble is, as an IP they'll never block him for more than a couple of days [[File:SMirC-sad.svg|20px]] . [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! It's him for sure – I've been dealing with the same rubbish for months; {{u|Yopie}} has dealt with a good deal of it too. However, your family-member suggestion is not a dumb one. It took me a moment or two to realise that the two possibilities were not incompatible. The most likely reason for the lunatic obsession with people called Natoli and Polli is that they are relatives, Biotti may be another (see for example [[:File:Emilio Biotti Champion.jpg|this mis-named file]]).
:What to do? I've no idea – he changes IP all the time, and the level of disruption at any one article is not usually enough to justify protection. I think the only thing to do is to revert on sight without paying any attention at all to whatever he may be trying to say or engaging with him in any way. This is of course where we need those "more robust tools" against long-term abuse that we've asked the WMF for. I've nearly finished cleaning up and attributing his articles here (see [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/sandbox|the list here]]); those on it.wp and fr.wp are still mostly a total pig's breakfast, but I'm not planning to work on them. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::I wonder if a CBAN on Alec Smithson would be ideal here. It's clear that he's [[WP:NOTHERE]], not to mention an [[WP:CIR|incompetent]] sockmaster whose only intent is to cause havoc. Best, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, he's already indeffed here and [[:m:Special:CentralAuth/Alec_Smithson|globally locked]]. I don't really see that a ban would give us any advantage in dealing with the IP-hopping, do you? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Fair enough sir. Perhaps range blocking the IPs would be within the community's best interest, if that has yet to be done? --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] 19:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, well, well. A bit of googling this morning turns up '''lots''' of people with the double name of [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH Natoli Biotti], [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=natoli+biotti&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6TSVtzMKIf8UJnMgogH#q=%22Polli++Natoli%22 Polli Natoli], and people related to both groups e.g. [http://www.geni.com/people/Maria-Polli/6000000024711190657 here]. It would certainly account for the... er... fervor of his outrage at "mistakes" in the articles. A range block would be difficult. He seems to use [[Telecom Italia]] IPs geolocated to the area around Milan with a range between (at least) 95... and 79... I'm sure they'd tell us it would affect way too many users. Anyhow, from now on, I'll just revert him without comment. Justlettersandnumbers, are there any other pages you'd like me to watch? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I think that's pretty much all we can do, and it's completely dependent on constant watching of the pages. So yes, please do add some to your watchlist if you have room. The most obsessive topics are Natoli, Polli, Lierna and Sperlinga, but take your pick from my list. Thanks for your help! Just in case you've any lingering good faith about the IP: [[Special:Contributions/79.31.142.172|definitive confirmation]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I've added all the (existing) pages he's created to my watchlist. Interesting pattern. Apart from stuff obviously related to the Natoli/Polli/Biotti clan, I suspect many of the artist biographies were for works which they own, followed by biographies of art historians to validate the material about the artists. Ditto the "historians of nobility". What an incredible time-sink this person has been, not to mention abusing my assumption of good faith by socking away at the same time he was claiming to be the "legal advisor" to Carlo Biotti's family. UGH! Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Excellent, thank you! Time-sink? You can say that again! Good thought about the artworks, that would explain the interest in obscure second- and third-rate artists (some of the fourth-rate ones got deleted). Your good faith was misplaced but does you credit. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Yours, all yours ==

Well-intentioned overeager newbie: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boerperd&oldid=709695405]. Old edits read like a copy-and-paste; I suspect the images are all copyvio too. Article was blanked as unreffed (probably copyvio) and redirected to [[Boer pony]], which could use some work anyway. I have other fish to fry. Have at it if you choose to, but perhaps the issue of whether we need revdel at [[Boerperd]] history is also something up your alley. Anyway, it's all yours. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:You saw what I've done. I didn't see any evidence of copyvio in either the English or the Afrikaans content added by the new editor; did you see anything specific? (I'll look again if you did) I added attribution for the part that was translated. I've nominated most of the images for deletion on Commons, but don't have the language skills to do the same on af.wp (that's a pretty impenetrable language!). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Forgot I had this watchlisted due to ancient dramahz. I took a look at Boerperd, and the stand-out thing was that the images are all credited to other individuals (in the captions in the article, as if this is a newspaper), but the author of the page uploaded them as self-owned, so that's a red flag. Dunno about the text; if it was translated from something in Afrikaans, it might be originally from elsewhere. Hope the image catch is helpful. — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 07:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's why I [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Justlettersandnumbers nominated most of them for deletion] – those that had a photographer or studio credited in the text, on the image itself, or in the EXIF data. A few of them didn't have any of those, and G-image searching didn't immediately throw up any evidence of copyvio; I imagine that the Commons admin who looks at the deletion requests will also look at other uploads, and be much smarter than I am at this kind of thing. I did use Earwig's tool to check for copyvio in the Afrikaans version of the page (which would have made ours a translational copyvio), but found no cause for anxiety. Unless you guys can see anything else to worry about here I really think we're in the clear (as far as text goes, anyway). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::The breathless "my magic pony is a unicorn" tone in the article kind of jumped out at me, which is probably why I was fretting ... best you handle this new editor. Actually, if they can be calmed down, sometimes the over-enthusiastic can become really good contributors; it really does depend on how much they are able to learn how things work on en.wiki. But on this one, glad to see you reach out to that editor and on this one, it is better you handle it, JLAN; I've got two mentees right now and both are going great guns, keeping me pretty busy (along with all the usual wiki-drahmahz elsewhere...). [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

==List of writers on horsemanship==
Please see my comment on the talk page. A list of written works is not suitable evidence of notability because it is not an independent source. [[User:IronGargoyle|IronGargoyle]] ([[User talk:IronGargoyle|talk]]) 23:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

:JLAN, FYI: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:IronGargoyle#March_2016]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[:File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg]] ==

Hi Jlan. Could you do me a favour and see if you can find a permission email for this photo in the OTRS queue? It's been tagged as OTRS pending for a long time, and the email has been recently re-sent. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 18:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:Found it, but the permission wasn't entirely sufficient – I've had to ask for clarification. Fifteen months, eh? – but it looks as if it was them who dropped the ball. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for checking. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 19:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

::: Good Evening Jlan - a correction, at my request a different individual, the new (this year) Digital Marketing Manager for Studio Theater, sent a new email to [email protected] at 10:31am EDT 14 March 2016. This email included the following:

::: "I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

::: If necessary I can forward you the entire email, a copy of the email that she bcc'ed me

::: ed

::: [[User:Ecragg|Ecragg]] ([[User talk:Ecragg|talk]]) 02:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:::: Yes, {{u|Ecragg}}, that is the ticket I found, read and added to the page with {{diff|File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg|710228145|710014229|this edit}}. However, the permission was not entirely sufficient, so I asked for further clarification. I've not heard back. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

== Possible copyright infringement? ==

Hello. I see that you detected copyright infringement in the Baltimore and Ohio article. I am suspecting that the article [[Building the Virginian Railway]] might count: If I were to look up some phases or excerpts from the latter article in quotations in Google Books, I usually get a result of the H. Reid book ''The Virginian Railway''. The searched excerpts includes the book result even if it doesn't mention the railroad. I can't copy any excerpt to my message in case it's copyrighted material. I don't have the book, but checking the contents of the book and verify any matched text will prove if there's an infringement or not (I'm not assuming you have the book). [[User:TheGGoose|TheGGoose]] ([[User talk:TheGGoose|talk]]) 03:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Simon of Athens==
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}} [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 00:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Heh ==

Just so you know, I do run across articles you've worked on from multiple other sources: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Montanabw#Articles_you_might_like_to_edit.2C_from_SuggestBot_2]. BTW, thanks for doing Simon and congrats on the DYK. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Louise Blouin and Louise Blouin Media pages ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, Let me introduce myself, I’m working for Louise Blouin Media and I’ve tried to add some information on both Louise Blouin Media and Louise Blouin pages for more than one year! All information I added were certified information concerning our group, our brands, our developments or our Chairman. I noticed that you removed or restored 75 times contents on our pages! I do not understand why all our posts were suppressed,as contents and sources were relevant and perfectly neutrally sourced. It seems that you have a personal issue with those pages and that you deliberately are trying to harm our reputation, which is not acceptable. Best, Lbm usuer2015 — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{tps}} Please read [[WP:COI]], especially the section on [[WP:COI#COI editing strongly discouraged|conflict of interest editing]]. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]]) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

== Need Help ==

I wrote an article named [[OC Osilliation]] a well known musician in Zambia and Southern Africa and is currently in America working with well known musicians like [[Akon]]. My article has been tagged that my article '''may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music''' so I need you to help me correct this please you can do your search and you will see that he meets the notability of [[Wikipedia]]. Please review my work. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Icem4k}}! It looks to me as if that article needs more and better [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to establish notability beyond reasonable doubt; I searched Google news and gbooks under both his names, and didn't find any. At the moment, I'm not sure that the page would survive if someone were to nominate it for deletion. Please take great care not to copy content from other websites into Wikipedia. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:: [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thanks for your advice I will work on that. [[User:Icem4k|Icem4k]] ([[User talk:Icem4k|talk]]) 17:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] ==
I'd like to bring the [[Minnie J. Grinstead]] article back to life. Can you help me out on next steps? Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:I just noticed another note above. Thanks. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! You are welcome to start on a rewrite of that article. Please follow [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minnie_J._Grinstead/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this link] to be taken to the right place for that. You may copy the structural elements of the article (the infobox, references, categories and so on) directly to the new page, but please take great care not to copy any copyright-violating body text, as that will make the rewrite useless. If you prefer, I can stub the article, which you can then expand as you see fit. Your choice! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Could you please stub the article? Also, do you know which source triggered the copyright violation bot? Thanks again. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah yes...[http://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/minnie-j-grinstead/11734 this one]. There's barely any biographical info on her. I'll give it another go. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 15:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Done, {{u|Magnolia677}}. Good luck with it! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion Flag for [[Young Rail Professionals (YRP)]] page ==

Hi there,
You have left a speedy deletion note on the wikipedia page. May I ask for a reason for this? I have received notifications from other administrators for deletions in the past. I have since updated the article and improved it to reflect a third party view. Would be much appreciated if you could provide feedback regarding the same. Thanks a ton! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.18.83.125|92.18.83.125]] ([[User talk:92.18.83.125|talk]]) 19:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|92.18.83.125}}, you appear to be mistaken – you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Rail_Professionals_(YRP)&action=history have not edited] [[Young Rail Professionals]], and your talk page has never been edited. As you can see from the large speedy deletion template at the top of the page, it is nominated for deletion for two reasons: G11, unambiguous promotion; and G12, unequivocal copyright violation (from [http://www.youngrailpro.com/about-yrp/ here]). The copyright violation is foundational (added with the first version of the article), so there is no clean version that it could be reverted to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

== Nigora goat article ==

Hello, I was wondering how the Nigora article may be edited to improve it? I created the original article for public consumption/education on the Nigora breed ten years ago, and I have done my best to keep it updated ever since. The stub that exists in place of the article now contains inaccurate information regarding the foundation breeds, which needs to be changed. It also does not contain any in-depth breed information. I understand there was some concern that copyright may have been violated by content in the article; can you explain to me where you feel this may have be done? I own the intellectual property rights to the information used. I am also the founding member of the American Nigora Breeders Assoc. and own the content found in the ANGBA website and elsewhere. I provide the information, and my time, on a purely voluntary basis; I receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for my work. As to conflict of interest, I suppose this would best pertain to the Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC (now defunct): There was a paragraph in the Wikipedia Nigora article which stated, "The American Nigora Goat Breeders Association (ANGBA) is not affiliated in any way with the "Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC" (NGBS) created October 31, 2013, nor does ANGBA endorse or approve the breed standards of the NGBS." The reason for this is it was discovered that NGBS was plagiarizing the ANGBA website and group content, verbatim, and a cease and desist letter was sent to the founder of the NGBS. Since the NGBS was disbanded in 2015 it would make even having mention of the caveat moot, except for the fact their closing has left NGBS members without paperwork on their goats, and these members are now contacting the ANGBA to find out why they have not received paperwork from NGBS. Please let me know how to best improve the Wikipedia Nigora article. Thank you. [[User:Irthumper|Irthumper]] ([[User talk:Irthumper|talk]]) 10:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Irthumper}}, and thank you for disclosing your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the [[Nigora]] goat. Please follow that blue link to read our guidelines for conflict-of-interest editors. In general, you are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Nigora]], following the procedure outlined there. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to you or your association), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Copyright violations were added to the page with {{diff|Nigora|537210010|529498068|this edit}}, as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=537210010&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnigoragoats.homestead.com%2FNIGORA-GOAT-BASICS-101.html this useful tool] shows. Please use the talk page of the article for any further discussion. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:29, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[Bobby Lockwood]] ==

I've noticed that all of the IPs adding [[WP:BLP]], quite possibly [[WP:COI]]-violating information to [[Bobby Lockwood]] geolocate to the UK (which is a tad obvious, I know), but the majority in the 86.* range, with some going into the 94.* range. Furthermore, this is quite clearly the same person as "Jasmine-Rioxox", as one of these IPs attempted to restore her version of the article - I had asked her in December to tweak the wording, which she did, and that exact wording was used in a restored version. What do you think? Is this worthy of being reported to an administrator? Perhaps page protection on Bobby Lockwood, under "persistent BLP violations"? I am interested in hearing your opinion on this matter. (On a personal note, I want to thank you for keeping an eye on the article. Much appreciated.) --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Chesnaught555|Ches}}! I don't know, but my feeling is that this is pretty low-level background noise, and that probably admins have more important things to deal with. If it shows signs of getting out of hand then perhaps semi-protection would be appropriate, we could ask. Meanwhile, thanks to you too for watching it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::No problem. Semi-protection may be the best way forward - I'll request that if any more of those IP addresses edit the article again. Some of the IPs seem to be single-purpose (by which I mean they ''only'' edit Bobby Lockwood). I will keep a look out. Thanks, --[[User:Chesnaught555|'''Ches''']] [[User talk:Chesnaught555|'''(talk)''']] [[Special:Contributions/Chesnaught555|'''(contribs)''']] 16:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

== Copyright in UCC ==

JL&N, I thought I would take this here from the talk page for ''Course of Dealing'' to lower the level of excitement. I don't know how to tell you this in a more polite way, but you guys are just '''''wrong''''' about copyright law. What BD said is right, and you are getting bad advice from somebody.

Cornell cannot possibly have a copyright interest in the UCC. I have been teaching copyright and patent law for 25 years at GW Law School in DC, and I don't know (and am pretty sure I have never known) any copyright scholar who would agree that Cornell has a copyright in the UCC. The UCC is a statute, a uniform law adopted in many states. You cannot have a copyright in that.

Cornell is simply lying if they say they have a copyright in the UCC. They are not its author and it was dedicated into the public domain about 40 or 50 years ago.

You need to get better legal advice if it is as you described it. Your current legal advice source is terrible if it is telling you that it is copyright infringement to copy statutory texts.

There must be Wikipedians who are US or UK copyright lawyers who will help you out if you need it on basic copyright law principles. I would. I am sure BD would, Ed Colins too. Probably Notecardforfree would. Greg Jack (Pickett) might. There are more. Thank you for your no doubt well intended contributions to WP.
:[[User:PraeceptorIP|PraeceptorIP]] ([[User talk:PraeceptorIP|talk]]) 22:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

{{tps}}{{u|PraeceptorIP}}, while the data itself might not be copyrightable, the work still can be, the web design, the typesetting (of hardcopy) and so on. Also, even if a work is in public domain, a copypaste is still plagiarism. (yeah, I'm one of those above too...) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

== Agree of course ==

I was just re-stating the warning box that D left. I had written out a long further explanation basically saying what you said, but after 3 e/c's it would be redundant and pointless to add now. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 00:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks – on the rare occasions I don't agree exactly with what you've said I tend to go ahead and say so, in full confidence that you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Good to see you back, by the way – there were "no crows here" not too long ago. Do you know the Stevie Smith poem [[Not Waving but Drowning]]? Sometimes I feel it describes our situation at the copyright boards … "much further out than you thought … and not waving but drowning". I think we need more people, but who? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
:*Yes, I got flung to the far corners of wherever for job-related stuff, and took only my iPad. Great for browsing but horrible for CP/SCV type stuff, and far too easy to mis-click (one of the reasons I don't have Rollback)! Also, good analogy with the poem! It does feel like pushing a car with a rope sometimes, especially with MRG's vastly reduced time in those boards due to her new role. I've been keeping an eye open for new commenters on those boards to see if we can <s>shanghai</s> encourage them to help out, with no luck so far. Still, we few, we happy few, press on though! [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 18:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you very much for your helpful language support on the [[El Shahbaa]] AfD, which was closed as "keep." Your help was crucial. If interested, I spotted this today, is more up your alley than mine: [[Limousin_horse]]. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 04:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

== Danny Lane ==

Hi there, thanks for your recent flagging of the problems with my edits to the [[Danny Lane]] page. I've now spent some time rewriting this page and fixing any issues that may have been unenyclopedic in tone or breached copyright. I have also made sure to keep your edits in the source code. I hope this all looks ok now, please let me know if there are any further issues. Thanks! [[User:Ljs90|Ljs90]] ([[User talk:Ljs90|talk]]) 13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you for your help/advice ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I saw that you remove the link to redirect from "Centre de musique romantique française" to "Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique". Actually he was right: Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique is the entire name of the institution. The palace and the centre are just parts of the same name. Could you please replace the link? Or is there a way to change the title of the page "Centre de musique romantique française" in order to add the other part of its name?
Many thanks in advance :)
--[[User:JoséphineKirch|JoséphineKirch]] ([[User talk:JoséphineKirch|talk]]) 13:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== You have deleted a reliable sources in my article ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I have recently added three references to the article Cropio. These references are from reliable sources. Explain me, please, the reason for deletion. Thanks! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Morena makarena|Morena makarena]] ([[User talk:Morena makarena|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Morena makarena|contribs]]) 14:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 
:A few things for your consideration, {{u|Morena makarena}}:
:# The content you added was largely copied from [http://cropio.com/en/about/ here], as [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=715058346&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcropio.com%2Fen%2Fabout%2F this useful tool] shows. That is a copyright violation, and not permitted here; persistent violations of copyright can lead to [[WP:Blocking policy|suspension of editing privileges]]
:# It isn't your article, it's Wikipedia's article
:# Please read the notice I left on your talk page with {{diff|User talk:Morena makarena|712479368|712469763|this edit}}; in brief: [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] editors are '''strongly discouraged''' from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, [[Talk:Cropio]]. Requests that are not supported by [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] (i.e., sources unconnected to the company), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Often that "strong discouragement" takes the form of wholesale reversion of COI edits (I would have reverted your edits even without the copyright violation).
:# You can mention reliable sources that you have identified either on the talk page of the article, or at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cropio]], where they may influence the opinion of other editors – or indeed in both places.
:[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

== Dealing with copyvio pages ==

Hi. I saw you dealing with copyright violations at [[Katie van Scherpenberg]] and wondered if you could help explain something to me. You've used the template requesting redaction of the revisions of the article that contain copyright material. The instructions at [[Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Dealing with copyright violations]] don't say to do that. It seems good practice though. Should I be adding that template when I identify copyright violations as well as putting a note on the article talk page, or is there some other process by which redactions are undertaken? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 21:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Cordless Larry}}! I think opinions vary on how important it is to revdelete after removing copyvio. My own thinking is roughly that if it's still in the history it's still visible to the world at large, albeit not so obviously as when it was in the article, whereas if it's been revdeleted only admins can see it. So yes, I think it's good practice, and I almost always request it as a matter of course (thus adding to the workload of, and trying the patience of, the few admins who handle such requests – who to date have been kind enough never to complain). It also seems to be a safeguard against mistaken, misguided or (occasionally) malicious editors restoring copyvio to the page. I think it should probably be mentioned in the instructions. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for your reply. I'm sure that I've requested revision deletion in the past, but when I've dealt with a couple of cases recently I consulted the instructions and didn't find mention of it, and was a bit confused about its place. I think your approach is probably a good one, and I agree that it would be helpful if the instructions had something to say how/whether to do this. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 22:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

==John Cabot University==
You're right-- I had misread it as saying that it "is accredited by ..." -- which was the wording of the original source they originally used for the copyvio. I definitely agree that the fact they previouslymade use of the former corrupt system is relevant. Thanks for fixing it up '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 03:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Your copyvio claims ==

{{Moved discussion from|my talk page|2=[[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)}}
First, many thanks for the "Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome to Wikipedia]]!" - as I've only worked on this project for almost 10 years.

Beyond that, I think it's clear that your tagging of my work has gone entirely overboard. Regarding the [[Suzi Bass Award]] article, everything was properly sourced and attributed. I noticed there are 14 links to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in that article. And because you think you have found matching phrases like "is to celebrate and promote atlanta professional theatre through the evaluation and recognition of excellence" which ''is'' verbatim the awards' stated mission; or phrases like "the suzi bass awards founded in 2003," which ''is'' when the organization was founded; or generic phrases like: "twenty one professional theatres," "the color purple," "professional theatre community," "the suzi bass awards inc," "participating theatres," and "suzi bass awards is a not for profit corporation," etc. does not constitute copyright violations. They are reliably sourced statements of fact. They are not editorial content.

Likewise, I have not edited on the [[Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] ''since 2012.'' Specifically, not since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Mitchell_%28photographer%29&diff=482051496&oldid=481147294 this edit] on March 10, 2012. So the fact that you would tag that entire page, ''four years later;'' after dozens of other editors have contributed - and with over 16 [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in the article, all because of ''one source'' you believe may be suspect? And because of generic matches like: "alvin ailey american dance theater and," "on photographing dance and dancers," "mitchell moved from florida to new york city," "his own photographs," "from 1960 to 1970," etc., - indicates to me the use of the duplicate detector tool with very little understanding of the discretion required to use it effectively. Once again, these are statements of fact. In some cases, they are proper names! They are not editorial content.

Additionally, rather than tagging these articles, you should have followed policy required by [[WP:DCV]] and addressed your concerns on the talk pages ''first''. I now see you have done the same thing by wholesale reverting my edits on [[Mike Nussbaum]] as well. Kindly revert your tags and state your concerns on the respective articles' talk pages, which policy requires. There they can be properly addressed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 10:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|X4n6}}, have you actually read [[WP:DCV]]? Talk page discussion is the '''minimum''' action that should be taken if copyright violation is '''suspected'''. In your case, the foundational copyright violations at [[:Suzi Bass Award]] and [[:Jack Mitchell (photographer)]] are a near-certainty, and the part of that policy that applies is:{{quotation|If the criteria for speedy deletion do not apply, you should blank the article or the appropriate section with the {{tlxs|copyvio|url{{=}}insert URL here}} template, and list the page at [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]]; see [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Instructions|instructions]]. This will give interested contributors a week to verify permission for the text or propose a rewrite. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringement and no usable rewrite is proposed, it may be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]] by any [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]] or reduced to a non-infringing stub.}}
:So that's what I've done there. At [[:Mike Nussbaum]], the copyvio was added after the creation of the article, and the relevant bit of the policy is:{{quote|If ''all'' of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement or removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable, check the [[Help:Page history|page history]]; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should [[Help:Reverting|revert]] the page to that version.}}
:Which I did. Clear? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::* Thanks, but I do not want this conversation on my talk page. So let's keep it here. Regarding your question, have I read [[WP:DCV]]: I'll simply answer that the very first line of it is hard to miss, yet it appears that you did: <blockquote>"Handling of suspected violations of copyright policy depends on the particulars of a given case. If you suspect a copyright violation but are uncertain if the content is copyrighted or whether the external site is copying from Wikipedia, you should ''at least'' bring up the issue on that page's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|discussion page]]."</blockquote>

:::Pretty clear too. Correct? So I'm still waiting for you to remove the tags and discuss the ''specific'' concerns you have with each article on their respective talk pages. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

:::* I also noticed that you essentially [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=715883305&oldid=696813140 blanked] the [[Henry King Stanford]] article, before I assume, you had a moment of Zen and realized you had gone too far - so you restored [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_King_Stanford&diff=next&oldid=715883625 some content] here. I also noticed that you accused me of copy & pasting from a [http://www6.miami.edu/advancement/NamedBuildingsGables.doc dead link]. But the worst thing you find there was really just [http://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/compare.php?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DHenry_King_Stanford%26oldid%3D155799497&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060902045612%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Flibrary.gcsu.edu%2F~sc%2Fcollections%2Fpres%2Fstanford%2Fstanford.html&minwords=2&minchars=13 1 out of 9] matches that could be viewed as too much. For that you could have easily just tagged that section, removed that content, or even (gosh!) just rewritten the paragraph. But instead, you blanked, then tagged, the entire article. But why you didn't choose any of the less draconian measures, you never explained. Again, it makes one question your judgment when it comes to the use of the detection tool. As for [[Terrelle Pryor]], I counted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terrelle_Pryor&diff=prev&oldid=431880593 4 separate], reliably sourced and attributed, new sources in that edit: the [[Chicago Sun-Times]], [[Forbes]], [[Fox Sports]] and the [[Associated Press]]. But you're apparently accusing me of the copy & pasting [[hat-trick]] of lifting from 3 of those sources in the same 1 sentence. I also note that those edits are over five years old. So I really do find it extremely interesting that in none of the almost 1000 edits that have occurred at that article since - that no one, but you, has ever alleged a reason for concern. Extremely interesting indeed. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 21:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Wow, just wow. I stumbled across this after visiting [[User:X4n6|X4n6]]'s talk page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] is to be commended for his/her cool head dealing with this crap. The gall of talking to a copyright editor like this after several blatant copyright violations is unbelievable.
:::::Here, have a tiny barnstar! [[File:Resilient_Barnstar.png|30px|The Resilient Barnstar. I award the Resilient Barnstar to Justlettersandnumbers for always keeping a cool head. '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)]] '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insert]][[Special:Contributions/Insertcleverphrasehere|CleverPhrase]][[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|Here]]''''' 04:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

==Transporter Guy==
I quickly checked [[Glutamate-gated ion channel family|this page]] and found that a fragment of text starting from ''The GIC channels are divided into three types: (1) a-amino-3-hydroxy-5-n ethyl-4- isoxazole propionate (AMPA)-'' was indeed copied, however it was copied not from the patent, but from the corresponding [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.10 TCDB entry] (this user uses TCDB abstracts). Both the patent and the TCDB entry contain the same text. Given that TCDB exists for a very long time, well known, and is under free reuse license, I would think that authors of the patent copy-pasted this text from TCDB, without providing appropriate attribution. The same could be with some other alleged copyright violations by this user. Yes, I am pretty much sure that the copy from TCDB was taken by authors of the patent. Let's compare [http://www.google.com/patents/WO2002026805A2?cl=en the patent] with another TCDB entry [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6]. Both include same text (''each with N- and C-termini on the inside of the cell, two amphipathic transmembrane spanning segments...'') in another paragraph. Note that both paragraphs in patent that reuse text from TCDB do not contain any references, whereas other paragraphs contain references. If this is a copyright violation, it was made by authors of the patent. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 15:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, I think this all came from a review article published by Dr. Saier around 2000. But my time is up. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 17:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
:However, it was another way around in this case [http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.1]. Here, authors of the TCDB database did a close paraphrasing (rather than a copy-paste) from an abstract from PubMed. ("Using all-atom molecular dynamics simulations, Jensen et al. (2012) showed how a voltage-gated potassium channel (KV)..."). The user copied this text from TCDB probably without knowing that the text was a close paraphrase of PubMed abstract. This should be fixed, but I do not think a few things like that warrant a full-scale copyright investigation.[[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
::Two other cases (holin pages) appear to be rather remote paraphrasing. If they are copyright violations is disputable. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}Hi, {{u|My very best wishes}}! A few things:
# The copyvio blanking template carries, in large clear letters, a message which reads "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent". Unless you fall into one of those three groups, please don't remove those templates from articles.
# You wrote on Grahm's talk page "I am not an expert in copyright issues ... One suggestion would be to creators of the database to change their license and make it standard GFDL." Please read [[WP:GFDL]]; as you will see, that licence has not been compatible here since 2009, retroactive to 1 November 2008.
# Please try a Google search for the string "The different channel (receptor) types exhibit distinct ion selectivities and conductance properties. The NMDA-selective large conductance channels are highly permeable to monovalent cations and Ca". You will, I believe, get hits (''inter alia'') for three pages: our article; the tcbd.org website; and a patent application dated 26 September 2001. Do you see any evidence that the tcdb page was created before that date? The earliest version on archive.org appears to be [https://web.archive.org/web/20100717020758/http://www.tcdb.org/search/result.php?tc=1.A.6 this], from 17 July 2010. It seems that tcdb copied from an earlier source, as it appears to have done quite often. That means that, whatever licence it has or claims to have, the affected content cannot be hosted on Wikipedia.
# Either [[WT:CP]] or the talk page of the article would be a better place than this to continue this discussion.
Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

== I hope this helped ==

I truly apologize for the mess up at DYK with [[Céline Gittens]]. As a further mea culpa, I went out and found a few more sources and added some material on her background and personal life. I hope it was helpful, and I will not be in the least upset if you need to revert anything I messed up. I got it up to about 2000 kb by the drpda tool, so that should make any reviewer happy. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if the DYK reviewer is waiting for you to "bless" my extra edits, but maybe pop by there and drop a quick note as to your position. Thanks. (And wow, she is really a very interesting young woman, a good topic for an article) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
::Those were very helpful edits, {{u|Montanabw}}, and nice extra sources. Thank you! I'd said I'd do no more to the article (it was a rescue after a copyright clean-up, not something I'd chosen to write about), but I added a tiny bit more after your improvements. And the mess-up, such as it was, was entirely my fault for not being clear that I intended to withdraw the nomination only if the initial length assessment was found to be correct. Thanks again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you. ==

Just a quick note here to say once again, thank you! While I may not yet be fully proficient to untangle the writhing snake maze of dealing with potential copyright violations, there is progress in the learning thanks to you. I appreciate you taking up the issue and for showing me how you did it too. Gratitude abounds, [[User:AD64|AD64]] ([[User talk:AD64|talk]]) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thanks for your help on fixing [[List of Jim Rockford's answering machine gags]] for the copyright issues. Since I am more or less retired as a Wikipedia editor, your help is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Miller17CU94|Chris]] ([[User talk:Miller17CU94|talk]]) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

== Maintenance ==

Don't you think it's time ''you'' applied for some more tools? Email me if you don't think it is and I'll try to convince you otherwise ;) [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== [[London School of Business and Finance]] and all its pomps and works ==

Hi JLaN. Just a heads-up that I have begun clean up of this article following the London College of Contemporary Arts discussion. The details are at '''[[Talk:London_School_of_Business_and_Finance#Clean_up|Talk:London School of Business and Finance]]'''. As I imagine my revisions will not escape the notice of the owner's brand managers, you might want to put it on watch. In the end, I also created a separate article on the owner, [[Global University Systems]], which you might also want to put on watch. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi There, rewrited the UiPath page you marked as copyright infringement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UiPath Could you please tell me if it's OK.
Best!
[[User:RoboticRPA|RoboticRPA]] ([[User talk:RoboticRPA|talk]]) 14:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
|}

==DYK for Céline Gittens==
{{ivmbox
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|imagesize=40px
|text = On [[Wikipedia:Recent_additions#15 May 2016|15 May 2016]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Céline Gittens]]''''', which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ''... that in 2012 the Trinidadian '''[[Céline Gittens]]''' became the first [[Black people|black]] ballerina to dance the twin rôles of Odette and Odile in [[Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky|Tchaikovsky's]] ''[[Swan Lake]]'' in the United Kingdom?'' The nomination discussion and review may be seen at [[Template:Did you know nominations/Céline Gittens]]. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ([[User:Rjanag/Pageview stats|here's how]], [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-05&end=2016-05-25&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=C%C3%A9line_Gittens Céline Gittens]), and it may be added to [[Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics|the statistics page]] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|Did you know talk page]].
}} [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

== Rejected draft: Churchill Retirement Living ==

Hi {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} - thank you for looking at the draft of the article on this company. I had submitted this article previously and revised the wording to address the issue of it coming across as promotional. I thought I had done enough to rectify this issue, but it looks like not enough was done. I would try fixing this if it weren't for the other issue of source material. I think I've already uncovered as many sources as are available at present and if these are insufficient, it's going to be difficult to successfully overcome the problem. The organisation is quite well known in their sector so it may be that more usable sources can be included. In any case, thanks for taking the time on this occasion. [[User:Fbell74|Fbell74]] ([[User talk:Fbell74|talk]]) 02:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

== Supposed copyright violation at [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] ==

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that the History section of [[Colégio Anglo Maringá]] contained a direct translation. I was very careful to cite the source and to use my own words. I don't believe anyone involved in the copyright violation 'investigation' actually speaks Portuguese. I can assure you that it was a good faith edit and that it was not a direct translation. Thanks. [[User:Giso6150|giso6150]] ([[User talk:Giso6150|talk]]) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Giso6150}}, that's always a tricky one when translating from a foreign-language source; it was my impression that your translation, though elegant, was directly from the source. I'll answer more fully there, though. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

== Other possible copyvios by the Harrison Smith IP ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.43.239.53 The IP] that was responsible for the copyvio recently rolled back on [[Harrison Smith (American football)]] made a few more edits around that time to other American football players. Seems some of them came from the players' university bios, just like Smith's, and were closely paraphrased. [[Duron Carter]] looks the most suspect. Also, a trustable user informed me that the IP apparently edits as [[User:Gcveintee]] now. [[User:Lizard the Wizard|Lizard]] ([[User talk:Lizard the Wizard|talk]]) 00:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for this reminder, {{u|Lizard the Wizard}} – I'd already started looking at other contribs of the IP. I've been able to be here only sporadically recently, and will now be away for a week or more; this will remind me to look further when I return. Meanwhile, do please blank and list any other copyvios you are able to identify, that'd be a big help. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

==Intriguing Possessive Theory==
Noted your fascinating suggestion and wonder whether it deserves more than a moment's thought. I'm reticent; I might have to go to Land's End to find anyone else who supports it and time's precious. [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz}} 09:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:See for example W. Stannard Allen, ''Living English Structure'', page 17. But yes, there are a few customary exceptions – World's End, stone's throw etc. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry to say that this is just simply not a happening thing. At the same time, I confess I'm no expert on books designed for foreigners facing the challenge of English as a second language, though, which is to say I defer to sources like the Oxford Guide to Style, Chambers, etc., and recommend them in this instance. Your piece of information is simply fanciful. [[talk:sirlanz}sirlanz]] 09:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Alec Smithson sock ==

Thank you for your message, I've gblocked that account. Sorry for the delay.
:--[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you for that, {{u|M7}}! So, is there anywhere or any way to request or co-ordinate a global nuke of his edits? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Probably the best way is to ask to some active global sysop on Meta.wiki. Thank you, --[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 15:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

== Information missing! Jonas Burgert ==

Hi, I work a gallery that represents the artist Jonas Burgert and his page is missing a lot of information which keeps getting taken down when I try to include.

All of his exhibitions are missing and I wanted those to be added. Can anyone help with this?

[[User:Isa.aballi|Isa.aballi]] ([[User talk:Isa.aballi|talk]]) 09:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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== NHEG wikipedia ==

I noticed that my changes to NHEG page have been undone by you. I would like to resolve this by understanding why this was done. Please let me know. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 12:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
:I have reverted NHEG page to the changes I had made. Please don't revert back without explaining to me through talk as to what the issues are. We can resolve this without going back and forth on the wikipedia page. [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 19:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
::{{u|Atchopra}}, I see that your account is very new. If you look at the [[edit summary]] I left with {{diff||726525859|726513903|this edit}}, you will see that it reads "Copyright violation of http://www.newheightseducation.org"; I also posted a long message on the talk page, at [[Talk:New Heights Education Group#Copyright problem removed]], which should give you some useful reading. Please do not add copyright material to Wikipedia again. Thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

== NHEG wikipedia ==

Thanks for explanation on copyrights. I also have another question. Why were external links removed? [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 01:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to [[Teahouse]]. I appreciate your help. I have made couple of changes on NHEG wikipedia. Please check and let me know if they are okay. I am learning and I don't want to make more mistakes. Thanks [[User:Atchopra|Atchopra]] ([[User talk:Atchopra|talk]]) 15:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

== CSD tag ==

[[Common communication format]] seems to match [http://www.netugc.com/common-communication-format-ccf this page] which has a CC license. But the material also matches [http://lispp.blogspot.com/2012/06/common-communication-format-ccf.html this page] and others, which claim copyright. How do we sort this out? (The lazy way is to say that it does not qualify as an article on other grounds)--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 12:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Sphilbrick}}! For once in my life I'm reasonably sure of my ground: the www.netugc.com page does indeed carry a CC licence, but it is a [[Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License]], and so is not [[WP:Compatible license|compatible]] for our (text-based) purposes. As things stand, that content can't be copied here. I believe that the G12 nomination was correctly based in this case and that both pages should be deleted ([[User:Nasirudheen]] too). OK, I've said my bit – now tell me what I've missed! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks - I sort of knew that but forgot. One of the things I have learned about myself is that it is easier to remember things if they make sense. I now recall seeing the table that specifies that 4.0 international isn't acceptable, but I never understood why. That's quite unfortunate, as I bet some select a CC license with the thought that it would make it useful for Wikipedia, and presume the most recent license should work. I see the footnote explaining that it isn't backwards compatible, but I don't know what that means (I know the generic meaning, not sure why it applies here). Do you know if there is a clear explanation anywhere?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

::Okay, maybe I can figure this out for myself. While in some cases, the rewording appears to be largely a rewrite of 3.0 with possibly some clarification, such as specific mention that any purpose includes commercial, other aspects are more restrictive. Specifically the 3.0 attribution does not require a link to the license but the 4.0 does. So I think this means that if I take some 4.0 text and use it in another website I have to attribute it and include a link to the license, presumably the 4.0 license. However, if I copy that material into Wikipedia which uses a 3.0 license, that page won't have a link to the 4.0 license and thus is in violation of the terms.

::Even this point is a little shaky. It doesn't explicitly say one has to provide a link to a 4.0 license, although it does say you must include "a notice that refers to this public license".

::Do you know if this is the aspect that gave the lawyers pause, or if it was something else?--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I also see that I should've checked the talk page first as Dianna made this point. I have developed a habit of checking the talk page of G 12's, as they often contain some relevant information (most of the time just the usual statement "it's okay for me to use this because I wrote it"); sometimes something very relevant to the license issue. I failed to follow that habit this time which I should have.--[[User:Sphilbrick|S Philbrick]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|(Talk)]] 13:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, I haven't tried to investigate whether a 4.0 licence '''could''' be used here, or if not, why not; nor offhand do I know of any discussion or explanation of that. What I gleaned from [[User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 57#U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit|this conversation]] was that a change of licence would be a site-wide change, and that until and unless that happens, 4.0 can't be used for text. The bit I find hardest to keep at the front of my mind, specially when looking at tickets, is that it's OK (or even preferred?) on Commons, but not compatible here. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::*{{ping|Sphilbrick}} Hi guys, I'm actually the one (for better/worse) that got the WP:COMPLIC template updated. Apparently the verbiage of 4.0 says something like "content must be re-used under this same version or later", so using 4.0 text would not allow us to re-publish under 3.0, according to legal. The thread I brought this up on was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive_56#CC-BY_4.0]. The whole enwiki would have to change to 4.0 in order to source 4.0 text and re-publish, and from what I gather there's already a group on enwiki who oppose any re-licensing of their contribs, so no telling how that rfc would go. Commons is already at 4.0 so image use under that license is apparently ok, since we don't host those images but just basically link to them. Images hosted locally on enwiki would be 3.0 so again no problem. [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 16:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, {{u|Crow}}, that's the conversation I was really looking for, not the slightly later one I linked higher up. This is going to keep coming up; perhaps we should make a shortcut or something for it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hello! I wanted to ask (sincerely, and not in a pain-in-the-ass way) where the policy is about deleting PAID COI articles via AfD? I do see that the Orangemoody investigation resulted in a bunch of deletions, as you describe. However to me that seems like a higher-level admin intervention-slash-cleanup job. I'm really curious to see where it is written that COI/Paid editing can lead to deletion at AfD. I've seen people say ''not'' to consider COI lots of times at AfD, but never the deltion policy you mention. Thanks in advance for your time! [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 21:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|HappyValleyEditor}}, I'm sorry to have been slow to reply to this. I don't think there's a policy, but I do think there's a precedent, set as far as I know in the Orangemoody clean-up; but from what I understand there were other forces at play there too, including socking and copyvio. The only discussion of this that I'm aware of is [[Wikipedia:Buy one, get one free|this one]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you for taking the time to reply! Happy editing. [[User:HappyValleyEditor|HappyValleyEditor]] ([[User talk:HappyValleyEditor|talk]]) 22:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Hi, dear Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your help. Am going further with my translation and will notice you, when ready. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 20:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i guess, my page is ready to be moved. Would you be so kind to have a look on it? If something is wrong, i would be glad to hear it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gyanda/Heiner_Thiel - Thank you in advance!!! --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

== Precious anniversary ==

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| normal = ... you were recipient no. '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#Justlettersandnumbers|912]]''' of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious|Precious]], a prize of QAI!
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--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you, Gerda! I felt honoured then, and do again now. Three years, eh? – seems like yesterday. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

:: I can't count: three years now ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 05:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

== Deleting mistake categories ==

Hi. If you ever make a category by mistake, as you did with {{cl|Montain_ranges_of_the_Apennine_Mountains}} - don't just blank it. If you tag it with '''<nowiki>{{db-self}}</nowiki>''' it will get deleted faster than if a third party uses the <nowiki>{{db-empty}}</nowiki> method and it's better to get things deleted than to have blank categories lying around. Cheers. [[User:Le Deluge|Le Deluge]] ([[User talk:Le Deluge|talk]]) 13:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Le Deluge}}. Deletion of category redirects is not a topic we have much guidance on … so advice noted. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

== CopyPatrol ==

Hello! I know you are active in dealing with copyright violations, so I thought you might be interested in the new [[toollabs:copypatrol|CopyPatrol]] tool from [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]]. It combs recent changes and lists possible copyright violations. The interface should be straightforward; hit "No action needed" if it is a false positive, properly attributed quotes, etc, and "Page fixed" if it needed correction and you've done so (this would include tagging for speedy deletion). We plan to add more neat features like rollback, CSD tagging, and issuing of templates to the user's talk page. Hope you find this useful, and thanks for your ongoing efforts in this important area of work! :) — [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] [[User talk:MusikAnimal|talk]] 01:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

== RfA ==

Are you considering to accept an [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Justlettersandnumbers|RfA]] for yourself? Given your revdel requests as mentioned at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#RevDel advice]] and the work on copyvios, you could possibly become an administrator like [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] and [[User:MER-C|MER-C]], who also work on copyvios. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 15:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
:+1 to that. :) --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] [[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]] 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
::+1 from me too! Go for it. --[[User:Patient Zero|'''Zero''']][[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']] 15:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

==Frida Kahlo==

Hello,

Sorry, didn't want to step on anyone's toes with my edits, but I thought that the sfn-format was standard these days so didn't realise that a discussion had to be had, as this has not been a problem in the articles I've worked on previously! I'm going to overhaul the entire article in the coming month, and would therefore be changing all references to sfn-format. I've now started a discussion on the article's talk page, please add your thoughts :) [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 20:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
:Sorry, I meant to drop you a note of apology. I'm away from home, only sporadic internet access, and I forgot. That was rude, if unintentional. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
::No worries :) I probably should've started discussing my GA intentions earlier, but the article seemed so stable (aside from the recurring vandalism) that I didn't think I'd get any replies. [[User:TrueHeartSusie3|TrueHeartSusie3]] ([[User talk:TrueHeartSusie3|talk]]) 22:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

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== Copyright violation help appreciated ==

Hello there, I noticed that large parts of [[FIFPro]] were directly copied and/or paraphrased from the official [https://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-history-first-meeting Fifpro] homepage which -I believe- is a violation of copyright? I would report it myself but all the guidelines and rules are a little too much for me. Perhaps you can help out? cheers --[[User:Havlicek stole the ball|Havlicek stole the ball]] ([[User talk:Havlicek stole the ball|talk]]) 10:27, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
: {{tpw}} {{Reply to|Havlicek stole the ball}} It is a copyright violation. I have removed the infringing text. Thank you for reporting. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 17:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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== [[Rosmah Mansor]] ==

Hi Jlan. Can you do me a favour? There's what looks like a viable draft of the above article at the subpage [[:Talk:Rosmah Mansor/Temp]] that could be moved into main space. Not sure what's supposed to happen next to get this draft into mainspace. Thanks, — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 14:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Diannaa}}! I'm away at the moment, with only very limited and occasional internet. But from what little I see, that temp page may not be as viable as it at first appears; I'm bothered by the degree of overlap [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Talk%3ARosmah+Mansor%2FTemp&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=1 here], but perhaps you've already looked at and discounted that? As for the actual mechanism of moving one of those pages into place, I've no real idea how it should be done (except that it needs tools I don't have); specifically, I don't know whether a histmerge with the old version is needed, or if the replacement page starts a new "clean slate" history. But I'm pretty sure {{u|MER-C}}, who often does that task, will know and be able to advise (please?). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
::Good catch, it looks like that website had the content first, according to the Wayback Machine. I will take it out. Hopefully MER-C can take it from there. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 21:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:::The rewrite is still not clean, it contained a copyvio from http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-571969. At this point, I don't think it can be trusted. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 06:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
::::That was my impression, too, {{u|MER-C}}, based on the quick glance I took at it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

== Maremma Sheepdog / Pastore Abruzzese ==

I don't know why you deleted the many integrations that I provided to the article about the [[Maremma Sheepdog]]. I didn't provide the sources because it was just a work of translation from the Italian article. Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and dedication it took to edit the English article, which is a mess and it is very lacking?

First of all I would change the name of the article, for nobody in Italy calls that dog 'Maremma', but - even if the ENCI calls it 'Cane da Pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese' - everybody knows it by the name of 'Pastore Abruzzese' ('Abruzzese Shepherd Dog'). It's just the American shallowness that changed its international name on unknown basis. (You may want to provide sources for that)

Also, being that breed almost unknown to the rest of the world, I wanted to improve the article. And, in order to do it, it is impossible to get the countless sources that you would normally have for Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds, so the article necessarily needs to rely on the information provided by the Italian breeders and shepherds, respectively on their web pages and on Italian TV documentaries. That is why your necessity to make the article more enciclopedic falls apart.

You could have been right in deleting a few sentences of mine, but not the whole sections about the name, the origin, the Behaviour and the Training of the dog, which are easily verifiable and documented. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kid Hey GBE|Kid Hey GBE]] ([[User talk:Kid Hey GBE|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kid Hey GBE|contribs]]) 15:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC) 

:{{tps}}Kid Hey, you added a ton of unsourced, unreferenced material. Other wikis cannot be a source for each other —we need independent sources. If you know this information has sources, you most certainly can go to the sources cited in the it.wiki article to do so. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stewie Speer copyright issues ==

Hi - thanks for your message about this article, sorry for the delay in responding. I have followed your instructions and would very much like this article to be restored as soon as is practicable, so that I can edit and improve it. As per my multiple messages on the Stewie Speer talk page and my email to the Permissions today, I hereby confirm that I, Duncan Kimball (Dunks58) am the author of the original Milesago article from which it was adapted, and that I am the creator and principal author of the website Milesago.com. Thanks for your feedback, hope this will resolve the issue. If there is anything else I need to do to facilitate this, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 04:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

== Ban'ei article ==

If you would be kind enough to tag sections with 'citation needed' needing improvement in that article so I could concentrate improving them. (Foreigner has bad english, sorry.)
[[Special:Contributions/88.114.91.37|88.114.91.37]] ([[User talk:88.114.91.37|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Luca Bestetti]] ==

Apologies. I had no idea. But now I see a whole litany on this editor in your Talk Page history above. The article subject still seems notable. Seems a shame. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:Nothing for you to apologise for, {{u|Martinevans123}} – if anything, I should be apologising to you. This is a pestilential long-term abuser of the good faith of other editors, and as we know the only possible way to deal with that is immediate, unconditional reversion, so I hope some kind admin will act on that soon. There's of course nothing to stop a bona-fide editor from recreating a page on the same subject. Pinging {{u|Lucas}}, {{u|Yopie}} and {{u|M7}} in case any of them want to look at sock edits on other projects (or add the new ones to the global ban, perhaps?). {{u|MikeV}}, you blocked [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alec Smithson/Archive|one of the earlier ones]]; do you see any value in a check-user request here? EthanSanders and Sergey7 are unmistakable socks, but there could also perhaps be others? Thanks to all, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ping {{u|Mike V}} following fail above. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::... ah yes, Mike V's hot on [[SOX gene family|socks]] - I should know. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC) 
:::EthanSanders and Sergey7 are {{confirmed}} to each other. The previous socks are technically stale. As for a behavioral connection, I see a link to the master account so I've blocked them as socks of Alec Smithson. [[User:Mike V|Mike V]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|Talk]] 23:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. Yes, that [[Broken Idol|broken Italian]] did look a bit [[Costa Concordia disaster|too broken]]. Do you think [[Luca Bestetti]] is notable and worth saving? Of course, I can't re-create it until it has been deleted (?) Or maybe eagerly taking over a topic from a sockpuppet would taint my pristine reputation? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, {{u|Mike V}}! Do have any thoughts about the creator of [[Luciano de Liberato|this]]? – there's some overlap of area of interest. {{u|Martinevans123}}, I just haven't looked at the importance or otherwise of Bestetti – my interest here is in limiting the damage of a long-term abuser, and to that end it might be preferable if the page were not immediately re-created (assuming it ever gets deleted, that is), in order to [[WP:DENY]] him the satisfaction. But you'll do as you think fit; you might like to note that '''nothing''' that person writes can be trusted. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, I must admit, I had assumed that Bestetti had at least been born. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Page Deletion - contested but ignored]] ==

Hi. My page was marked for deletion for various reasons to which I contested. Apparently, that was a waste of my time. Not sure why you're able to contest if it doesn't warrant further discussion. Nonetheless, is the page completely deleted, or can it be retrieved? I was in the middle of revising it to better meet the guidelines. I declared my conflict with the article, and did not agree with the notion that it was for promotional purposes, based on the fact that the subject is notable person. If you had read the revised version, before deleting it, you would have noticed that ALL sources were newspapers and/or magazine articles or repute. I had requested in my contest for assistance on direction and or help with the article itself moving forward. I would still like that assistance, if the article can be re-instated for revision and review. Please advise. I can understand wanting to ensure all content on the site is proper and legitimate, but if a page is created under my account as a draft, and not in the public domain, I'm not sure why it has to be deleted and can't simply be revised and re-reviewed. Please let me know what can be done. [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC) [[User:Lkadish|Lkadish]] ([[User talk:Lkadish|talk]]) 14:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but you can't copy copyright content from elsewhere on the web into any part of Wikipedia, including your own userspace; that is [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and is not permitted here. Also, you should not be attempting to promote your relative here, regardless of whether or not she is [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards (I don't know if she is or not). If she's important and interesting enough, some uninvolved editor will eventually create a page about her; please have the decency to wait until that happens, and refrain from editing it if it does. Sorry if this seems harsh; on the bright side, there are more than five million articles here, many of which are in dire need of improvement. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] - biased user ==

Two days ago I inserted information reported on the New York Times "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation." to the page at Roberto Gagliardi

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] removed this insertion within minutes and once again censored information found on accredited sources for unclear and unjustifiable reasons. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] then proceeded to remove the main points from the page, stripping it of its most important parts that are well-sourced and have been on the page for some time.

The actions of [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] are not based on facts but on personal presumptions and he does not act by the book but by his own standards.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] has continually censored (over several months), not only the sentence "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation" but other important facts from highly reputable sources known all around the world such as "La Nazione" (in the top 5 Italian newspapers) the Evening Standard, the Council of Chianciano Terme and Saatchi Museum's "Art and Music" official printed magazine (among other sources). These sources deemed the information in the public interest in Italy, the USA and the U.K. but [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] strangely decided that the information was irrelevant or found some other reason to remove it.

People on wikipedia are published due to their personal and professional achievements. Once a person is deemed as notable, personal and professional information of certain stature is relevant if, of course, is backed up by reliable sources. This user has disputed very prestigious publications (who deemed the information notable enough to publish) and has demoted information as not fit for an encyclopedia due to its professional and personal nature when such facts are exactly what a page about a notable "person" are all about.

This user's contributions seem to have been carried out with the intention to remove the foundations of this page with the aim of eventually having it totally removed. This user has failed to have the page removed already once but continues to undermine the page by gradually eroding the page of its content.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] undermines the foundations of Wikipedia and damages the integrity of thousands of other administrators, deleting the truth and betraying the bonafide of other wikipedia collaborators. In carrying out his censorship based on prejudice and in ignoring the facts, he is acting against the moral principles of Wikipedia.

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers]] , from an analysis of his actions on this page, can be defined as unfit to collaborate with a serious organisation like Wikipedia due to lack of proper and independent judgement.

It has become clear that the desire to demonstrate his power as censor has overshadowed his important duty to remain unbiased and serve the truth.

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.131.238.35|81.131.238.35]] ([[User talk:81.131.238.35|talk]]) 16:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Giorgio Petrosyan, External links ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, please tell me why the external links was removed because it is useful to the visitor and provides additional information about the fighter? (https://234fight.com/mma/giorgio-petrosyan-wiki-profile/) — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 20:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 
:Er, no, {{u|AndeeF}}, that page is of no interest to Wikipedia readers as it is copied (without the required acknowledgement!) from Wikipedia. An IP, 93.171.160.105, [[WP:LINKSPAM|spammed]] a [[Special:Contributions/93.171.160.105|lot of links to that site]]. I removed them and left a warning for the IP editor. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, how do you know which pages are not interested in (?), you are interested in fighting? According to my statistics (Statistics website) Visitors switched from wiki spend on site of more than one minute, which shows the interest !!! I can provide real proof. Wiki copied in part, whether in the presence of reverse links on the wiki count on a return link to the article? Ta! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AndeeF|AndeeF]] ([[User talk:AndeeF|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AndeeF|contribs]]) 23:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC) 

== Social Discovery Ventures. Copyright ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures) is a translation from russian article https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Discovery_Ventures . [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:Then it would require [[WP:ATTREQ|copyright attribution]], {{u|MoscowFF}} – which I see has now been provided by {{u|JJMC89}}. That leaves the question of how your translation happened to use some of the exact words of another website (one possible explanation is that you each independently used the same translation tool to translate the Russian-language page). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for answering my previous question. Could you tell me what should I do to restore this article? Or maybe I should just wait while issue are resolved? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 10:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Could you say, may I edit the article by myself to replace the disputable part? [[User:MoscowFF|MoscowFF]] ([[User talk:MoscowFF|talk]]) 13:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::: This has already been answered on my talk page. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 16:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Fernando Carcupino]] ==

Hi JLAN. As you have probably seen, I grew tired of reverting the sub-stub and expanded it today. I'm sure it won't be long until [[Special:Contributions/Alec_Smithson|our friend]] shows up to "improve" it further in his own special way [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:Well, well, well, true to form he showed up in the dead of night (Italian time) under the guise of the Telecom Italia IP [[Special:Contributions/82.58.82.206|82.58.82.206]]. I've reverted the edits and left a note on the talk page about the "honours" and need for better referencing before adding them. Keep an eagle eye on it. I will too, of course. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 05:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::I saw, {{u|Voceditenore}}; you seem to have established notability where I was doubtful. As for the nuisance, I think the best thing is to avoid any interaction at all other than immediate reversion of all edits. And yes, I'm watching ... Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, I have no intention of interacting with him. Besides, his IP is dynamic, shifting constantly, and when he gets bored of [[Telecom Italia]] he switches to [[WIND (Italy)|Wind]]. He went on a complete rampage between the 10th and 12th of this month, not only here but also globally ([https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=82.54.66.110], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=95.236.167.246], [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=79.13.112.103], etc.), including the Italian Wikipedia where he snaffled my new text for Carcupino while adding his own inimitable touches and of course monkeyed with his innumerable Natoli articles. He even has stuff on Simple Wikipedia. I've duffed him in to the admins there [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5477035#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user]. Onwards and upwards. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 10:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

==[[Bharti Dayal]]==
Its not an autobiography ! its a knowledge update on Wikipedia and to Wikipedians !Required <nowiki><ref></nowiki>has been given now you edit as I am not a good editor. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bharti Dayal|Bharti Dayal]] ([[User talk:Bharti Dayal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bharti Dayal|contribs]]) 09:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC) 
:{{u|Bharti Dayal}}, if you are [[Bharti Dayal]] you should not (in general) edit the page about yourself – that is [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]] and is strongly discouraged. If you are not that person you should not be using her name and should [[Wikipedia:Changing username|change your username]] immediately – please see [[WP:IMPERSONATE]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

== FYI ==

See the Administrators' Notice Board on Simple English Wikipedia [https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=5491283#Highly_problematic_articles_by_socks_of_a_globally_blocked_user here] for the latest onslaught. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 17:51, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

== CCI case for Josephlalrinhlua786? ==

Hi JLAN, I'm just following up on a ping that JJMC89 dropped you on his talk page. Copyright stuff ain't 'zackly my forte, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on how to deal with {{noping|Josephlalrinhlua786}}, and specifically whether or not you think a CCI is warranted. This guy was indeffed circa August 2016 for copyright violations, and I recently indeffed him when it became apparent he had continued the copyvios. Some examples:
* At [[Westworld (TV series)]] compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Westworld_%28TV_series%29&type=revision&diff=742200105&oldid=742130602 these] to [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/hbos-westworld-100-million-price-934347 this reference].
* He was a major contributor at [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]]. Some obvious plagiarism includes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742458060 this content] which matches content found [http://www.forbes.com/sites/dongroves/2016/10/02/biopic-of-indian-cricket-hero-m-s-dhoni-scores-big-in-india-u-s/#3c9a7f038b85 here].
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M.S._Dhoni:_The_Untold_Story&diff=next&oldid=742854381 Here], we see:
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it."
:compared to
::"Learning the language wasn't easy for Disha as not only is Asuri an endangered language but there are very few references to it anywhere as only a handful people speak it in India and there is no script development for it." found [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Disha-Patani-learnt-an-endangered-tribal-language-for-M-S-Dhoni-The-Untold-Story/articleshow/53783925.cms?from=mdr here]
I'm confident there are many more examples like this. I just choose not to clutter up your talk page with them. Anyway, your input is appreciated. Regards, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 20:25, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Cyphoidbomb}}! Yes, I think you should almost certainly request a CCI for this user (based on what you say – I haven't looked in depth at his contribs). While the general rule of thumb is a minimum of five examples of infringement, it's my feeling that a CCI request should be more or less automatic for any user indeffed for repeated copyright violations (unless there are really few contribs, of course). A big advantage of a CCI investigation is that it gives us the "authority" to presumptively remove all content by the user without needing to check each edit individually. In the case of [[M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story]], the page could be rolled back to {{oldid|M.S. Dhoni: The Untold Story|742403086|this version}}; that removes a lot of content, but at least we'd be (reasonably) sure there's no remaining copyvio. I see {{u|JJMC89}} has removed a good deal already; I do slightly wonder if there's any more lurking (I might try to take a look if I can ever find a bit of time do dedicate to Wikipedia). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
::I appreciate your thoughts, thank you. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== [[Araucana]] ==

Hi - that large block quote from the 2008 study seems very much overkill, especially in the light of [http://scicultchickens.org/sites/scicultchickens.org/files/uploads/PNAS-2014-Thomson-4826-31.pdf this] 2013 report.

"Significance

Ancient DNA sequences from chickens provide an opportunity to study their human-mediated dispersal across the Pacific due to the significant genetic diversity and range of archaeological material available. We analyze ancient and modern material and reveal that previous studies have been impacted by contamination with modern chicken DNA and, that as a result, there is no evidence for Polynesian dispersal of chickens to preColumbian South America. We identify genetic markers of authentic ancient Polynesian chickens and use them to model early chicken dispersals across the Pacific. We find connections between chickens in the Micronesian and Bismarck Islands, but no evidence these were involved in dispersals further east. We also find clues about the origins of Polynesian chickens in the Philippines"

That source is also used in [[Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories#Claims involving chickens]], a section which is a mess - the two paragraphs need combining. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Doug Weller}}, it's been a while! Yep, it seems excessive. I've not finished there by any means. I plan to remove essentially all unsourced material, but want to add some more sourced stuff before I do so. And yes, the other article has essentially the same material twice over. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

::Thanks, sounds good. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

== Help on a request edit - Louise Blouin page ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, could you please help me on my request edit on Louise Blouin page. I made an request edit on 08:23, 24 March 2016 (UTC) on the talk page about the Philanthropy part and I have no news. I would like your assistance on this. Thank you in advance for your help. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbm user2015|Lbm user2015]] ([[User talk:Lbm user2015#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbm user2015|contribs]]) 

== Request to investigate ==

[[David Israelite]]'s first revision is a copyvio. However the copyvio seems to have been edited out. I have to go now. I know you do lots of good work in this area so if you could investigate how many revisions need RD1 I'd be grateful. Thanks, [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:27, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|BethNaught}}! It didn't seem to me that the foundational copyvio was completely removed (Earwig was still giving me a good deal of overlap, though some was from job titles and the like). I removed everything and rewrote from scratch. I think all previous revisions should be revdeleted, and have added a request to the page to that effect. Please feel free to over-ride that if you don't agree. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::I've carried out the deletion. Thank you for your effort rewriting it! [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 06:46, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Infobox horse breed ==

Instead of reverting the edit you could have just fixed the obvious typo... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] ([[User_talk:Zackmann08|Talk to me]]/[[Special:Contributions/Zackmann08|What I been doing]]) 20:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, indeed, and if there'd been anything remotely obvious about it, I might have tried to do so. By much the same token, you could have taken a fraction of a second to preview your botched edit and see that the example right there on the template page was displaying a duplicated image, and so fix it yourself (the Preview button is there for a reason ...). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

I've figured out how and when I can block IPV6 ranges. Brad Watson (Miami) will hopefully find block evasion a bit more difficult for the next 3 months. [[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, that's good! We need that sort of stuff like we need a hole in the head … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

== Help ==

*[[Karachay horse]]. Myself and another editor took an initial whack at cleanup, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karachay_horse&type=revision&diff=749147220&oldid=748654475] but the editor is apparently both a newbie and English may not be first language. Tons of Russian language links, possible copyvio on the new material. Given the language issues, this one looks like it's up your alley. Good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 02:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
:Hi! I don't speak or read Russian, but I had a quick look anyway. It seems to be better than many of our articles. I think the sources would need checking by a Russian-speaker (one seems to be a farm, so is probably not RS). The main question seems to be whether the breed actually exists, and the article seems at least to assert that it has official recognition. It'd be good to find some confirmation of that … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

== New Page Review needs your help ==

Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}},

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at [[Special:NewPagesFeed]] of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.

Although [[WP:NPR|New Page Reviewing]] can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at [[WP:PERM]] and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at [[WP:NPR]] and [[WP:NPP|the new tutorial]].

''(Sent to all active AfC reviewers)'' [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


== Nazaire Group ==

{{Ping|Justlettersandnumbers}} - Hello Justlettersandnumbers, I wanted you to know that I am a resident of Long Island, and fond of conglomerates and groups. I am writing about businesses, and organizations as a 3rd party contributor, informing through cited material information of organizations and groups, raging from Alphabet Inc., an American multinational conglomerate(owners of Google, etc.) to lodges & secret societies, such as Independent Order of Odd Fellows.

== Resolving issues on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University ==

I tried pinging you, but I am not sure you got the message, so I am just restating what I put on the Talk Page of Academy of Art University:
I have raised what I believe are legitimate issues on the Talk page concerning:

Car collection
Courses section
Fashion Week reference
Online courses reference
Accreditation reference

Instead of responding to what I believe are logical arguments presented in cooperative language, @Justlettersandnumbers: ignored me completely, until he/she finally dealt the “COI” card. I believe this is an “ad hominem” attack, as per [[Paul Graham (computer programmer)|Graham’s Hierarchy of Disagreement]], if not actually name calling, going against the fundamental Wikipedia policy of “[[assuming good faith]].” Perhaps it has been a problem that I have posted anonymously, and therefore have not gained respect, so I am now a registered user, to ask one more time, for Justlettersandnumbers (talk · contribs) to address my concerns, which I feel are legitimate, before I take these issues to Dispute resolution.[[User:Freespeechman|Freespeechman]] ([[User talk:Freespeechman|talk]]) 07:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Challenge ==

Hi, excellent work! I moved the Swedish ones to [[Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic)]] though. That list will be copied every 100 entries into the European one so it'll rejoin that soon enough. Hope this is OK. Happy editing!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 21:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Dr. Blofeld|Dr B}}, I wasn't sure where to list them – now I know! Your challenge is much-needed stimulus to this lazy editor – thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Well you're doing some terrific work, always good to see content coming in for different countries!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 22:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

== Thank you re italics ==

Thank you for bringing to my attention the rule that there should be no italics for proper names. - [[User:Blairall|Blairall]] ([[User talk:Blairall|talk]]) 18:18, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
:Well, {{u|Blairall}}, it's perhaps more of a guideline than a rule – certainly it's very widely and routinely ignored here. Your edit drew my attention to that page, where I made a couple of small additions – so thank you! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

== [[WP:ACE2016|ArbCom Elections 2016]]: Voting now open! ==

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== Double redirects ==

Please have a look at [[Wikipedia:Double redirects]], particularly {{tq|"Wikipedia's MediaWiki software is currently configured to not follow the second redirect"}}. When you {{oldid2|750627688|created}} [[Smaland (cattle)]] as a redirect to [[Småland (cattle)]] (itself a redirect), you made a double redirect, which does not work.

You may be misreading [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]]: "Articles should link to these redirects. Do not retarget links to these redirects directly to the article to which they redirect." This is guidance to editors not to change links (within articles) that link directly to the redirect. In other words, "don't change <nowiki>[[Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki> in an article into <nowiki>[[Swedish Red Pied|Smaland (cattle)]]</nowiki>". On the other hand, it is essential that double redirects be resolved to the eventual target page, because they simply doesn't work otherwise. Hope that makes sense now. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 22:43, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for taking the trouble to post here, {{u|RexxS}}. Everything you say makes sense if you choose to read it in that way. But the advice at [[:Category:Redirects with possibilities]] does not actually specify links '''in articles''', just links in general. What I wanted to do was create redirects to the "redirects with possibilities" that I had created (I can't write those articles myself because (1) I don't have access to a high-quality Swedish research library and (2) my understanding of Swedish is anyway pitiably poor). The bot has re-targeted those redirects to [[:Swedish Red Pied]], which doesn't really help anyone to find that article, but does make my intentionally-created redirects much harder to find. I don't want the software to follow the second redirect, i want people to be taken to the potential new article, and then have to follow with a single mouseclick if they're not interested in creating it. I don't know how that accords with all our "rules", but I do know that it is intended to expand the encyclopaedia. I think the bot should be told not to "fix" double redirects if the second one is "with possibilities". Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 02:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

== SILVA ribosomal RNA Article ==
Dear Justlettersandnumbers, I tried to update the following article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SILVA_ribosomal_RNA_database which is partly wrong and completely outdated, but my efforts resulted in blocking my account and deleting the information I added. So I would ask you to delete the whole entry - better no information in Wikipedia than wrong and outdated information. I do not know who started the entry, but obviously it was not maintained. Many thanks.
Frank Oliver Glöckner, PI of the SILVA project. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/194.95.7.19|194.95.7.19]] ([[User talk:194.95.7.19#top|talk]]) 16:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi, Dr. Glöckner, and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry that your first experience here was not a good one – unfortunately, that can happen. There are a number of things you can do:
:* The account {{u|Silva wikipedia}}, which edited [[SILVA ribosomal RNA database]] on 18 November, is blocked only because the name is not allowable under our rules here – no editor may contribute under the name of an organisation. The owner of that account can request a change of username at any time. Or you can create an account for yourself whenever you like.
:* Once you have an account, you can, if you wish, nominate the SILVA page for [[WP:AfD|deletion]]. I think its fairly unlikely that that would succeed – you would need to show that the database is not widely discussed in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]], and thus is not [[WP:notable|notable]] by our standards, and I think that would be hard to do. I don't have the necessary power to delete the page, and even if I did, there'd need to be consensus to delete before I could use it.
:* In any discussion related to SILVA you should make it clear that you are connected to the project; there's guidance on this [[WP:COI|here]].
:* You are always welcome to propose or request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page, [[Talk:SILVA ribosomal RNA database]].
:Please ask here if you have questions or if you need help getting started. Wikipedia particularly needs and values expert editors, so I hope you will stay with us. Please be aware that in Wikipedia, as in academia, one cannot simply copy material from other published sources and post it here – we try quite hard to protect the copyrights of authors. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

== Städelschule ==

Hi, you recently edited the article on Städelschule in Frankfurt am Main. Working at Städelschule, we translated our German version of the article and uploaded the English one recently. Unfortunately I cannot read your comment to the edits in full length. What else - besides the copyright infringement - was your concern?

Kindly,
Marie — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MarieEgger|MarieEgger]] ([[User talk:MarieEgger#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarieEgger|contribs]]) 16:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC) 
:Hi! {{u|MarieEgger}}.Thanks for making clear your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] in relation to the school; please follow that bluelink to read about that, and read the section I posted on the talk-page wtih exactly that title. Also, please don't remove the copyvio blanking from the article again: you don't have that right, and repeatedly doing so could lead to trouble. Please wait patiently for the matter to be sorted out – which i'm afraid may take some time. If you translated the dewiki page, you must provide attribution for that content on the talk-page – please see {{tl|translated page}}. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

== kathiawari horse ==

hello justlettersandnumbers i am equine expert from gujarat state of india, kathiyawad is the region in gujarat known for its horse and are named after it as kathiyawadi horse, there are many mistakes on kathiyawadi horse article which should be removed, so you should help me to correct it, not remove it. the title "kathiawar" is totally wrong spelling and information are very short and unclear. so please try to help me in this contribution by not reediting the kathiyawari horse article. please do this favour, i hope you will understand — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:24, 2 December 2016 (UTC) 

=== please try to help me if i am wrong ===

article like kathiyawadi horse, kathi darbar, chetak are well researched by me for 10 years. i am from the area where kathiyawadi horse are found and have information about it. second this is that i belong to kathi community who have developed this breed and are still owner of kathiawari breed. i am trying to help wikipedia about this information. but i am poor in english language, so i can not express my information properly so please try to help me, i am not your enemy. there are many mistakes about article — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 05:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC) 

:I'll do what I can to help, {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}. Please understand, though, that you will have to get used to our way of doing things here. For example, your first step after your edits have been rejected should not be to make the same edit again, but to '''start a discussion on the talk-page'''. Until you do that, I very much doubt if any progress will be made at [[:Kathiawari]]. Also, please take great care not to copy content into Wikipedia from other sources, as you did for example {{diff|Kathi Darbar|752602396|752600503|here}}, unless you are '''absolutely sure''' that it is suitably licenced for use here (in which case you must provide [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia|attribution]]). In that particular case, the GFDL licencing of the page is '''not''' compatible with Wikipedia – you can't copy from there. I'll leave an invitation to the Teahouse on your talk-page; you could also try asking at [[WT:Wikiproject India]] if there is anyone who could help you with language. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

::Just a drive by comment, Aniruddhbhaidhadhal posted to my talk page, and I moved that conversation over to his so others might also assist. I explained my concerns with the edits. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I see now the pattern, this supposed politically correct person, have had some issues against horse/cattle breeds before.
Mr Justlettersandnumbers, you deleted plenty of information on a wikipedia page that doesn´t belong to you and that you didn´t created it (it happened the same with me).
Next time, you should start a discussion on the talk page yourself, before destroying other works that took years from them. You never set a foot on the ground, to study and research these cattle and horse breeds yourself, so respect other works. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.37.171.168|188.37.171.168]] ([[User talk:188.37.171.168#top|talk]]) 17:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC) 

== kathiywadi horse ==

sorry but i do not want to promote anything,( i am not from that community) but only want true information to be displayed, can we add this

"horse derives its name from the region kathiawar,mostly prominence of kathi darbar community,this people are the main breeder of the horse so proud are the kathi darbar of their mares that they rarely sold them (source:-1884 Gazetteer By Bombay Presidency Vol8 Kathiawar, page 89)" — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhal|contribs]]) 02:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC) 

== BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected ==

'''AfC Reviewers''' are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on '''Thursday 8 December''' for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See [http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38219838 BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon]. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) ([[user:Kudpung]] for [[WP:NPR|NPR]]. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 00:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


== Undiscussed moves of Italian abbey articles ==

Why have you moved so many articles on Italian abbeys from their standard English language names, at which most of them were stable, to Italian names, with no discussion whatsoever? You were wrong to do this - see the standards on use of English article titles, common names (in English) and so forth: you were presumably unaware of them, or you would not have caused so much damage. Please move them back again. [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 22:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Eustachiusz}}, I reversed a couple of [[WP:CUTPASTE|cut-and-paste moves]] and several undiscussed page moves, all performed without discussion by {{u|Rococo1700}}. Our [[WP:AT|article title policy]] is completely clear on this matter: "Do not ... use obscure or made-up names". If you disagree with the current name of any of those pages, please start a [[WP:RM|move request]] in the normal way. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry - I should have checked more carefully. Most of them are on my watchlist and when your moves all showed up en masse I assumed the worst. Best wishes, [[User:Eustachiusz|Eustachiusz]] ([[User talk:Eustachiusz|talk]]) 23:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Just as I moved some of those articles from one name to another, you have done the same. Some of those articles were first written by me, and I agree with the WP article title policy, that I should now have named them the way I did. You can start a [[[WP:RM|move request]] to move them back. But as it stands the category of Italian abbeys has some abbeys called all the following ways:
*Abbazia of so and so
*Abbey of so and so
*So and So abbey
*Monastery of So and So
*So and So abbey

We need a consensus. Other categories for other countries provide a template. Please provide an argument that substantiates your position and do not just revert the names given by author on a whim. For example, [[Abbey of Santa Maria delle Macchie, San Ginesio]] should be [[Santa Maria delle Macchie abbey, San Ginesio]]. If you wish to change this, please use [[WP:RM|Move request]]. I will post this to User:Eustachiusz also. It is always good to see who is interested in a certain topic.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

In my view there has been no standard in nomenclature for naming abbeys or monastery. When in doubt, see what is customary: In reviewing Category:Benedictine monasteries:

the German category (137 pages) and the American site (39 pages) follow the sequence of ''(Name) abbey'' or ''Abbey''. The French category (115 pages) uses both the sequence above or Abbey (Name). No consistency. The Spanish category favors monastery (since abbey has no direct translation in Spanish) and ''Monastery of (Name)'', which mirrors Spanish language grammar.

In looking at the choices, I prefer the German and American naming system, it seems the most consistent, and gives the primary name primacy, always helpful.

[[User:Rococo1700|Rococo1700]] ([[User talk:Rococo1700|talk]]) 03:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Incorrect Copyright Claim - Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia Page ==

Hey there Justlettersandnumbers, the 4 books referenced from links on Amazon.com mention the subject Charlie Zeleny and actually public domain information referenced in the original Wikipedia page article that has been up for over 5 years on the subject Charlie Zeleny. It is common knowledge that the subject is in fact a pro drummer, music director, producer and solo artist. The Charlie Zeleny Wikipedia page has been up for over 5 years (last major update 2011 prior to 2016) and looks like it was actually referenced in the Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography, Volume 1 by Miloslav Rechcigl Jr. which was released just recently on November 10th, 2016.

Here are multiple sources stating that Charlie Zeleny is an American drummer, music director, producer and solo artist:
* http://www.paiste.com/e/endorser_det.php?page=bio&endorserid=4606
* http://www.futurecomposer.com/2010/12/01/musician-profile-charlie-zeleny/
* https://www.discogs.com/artist/690830-Charlie-Zeleny
* http://www.protectionracket.com/artists/item/charlie-zeleny
* http://pearldrum.com/artists/drumset-artists/charlie-zeleny

Please remove the incorrect copyright claim when you get a chance. Also, please let me know if I need to change the reference to Amazon's books in any way to avoid this issue in the future. Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/100.35.194.25|100.35.194.25]] ([[User talk:100.35.194.25|talk]]) 14:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Confused ==

Hello all of my edits were taken down from a page I edited for not citing plagerism. I am confused because I cited my sources correctly. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Destrest|Destrest]] ([[User talk:Destrest#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Destrest|contribs]]) 03:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Destrest}}! I reverted your addition to [[Ousmane Sow]] because you copied large chunks of text word-for-word from [http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/3337667.pdf this article on JSTOR]. Please read the message I left for you on your talk-page about this; if you have questions you can ask there or here. Just to be completely clear: it doesn't matter whether you've cited the source or not, you can't copy from it. You have to write in your own words. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:53, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Happy Saturnalia! ==

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== Horse breed infobox ==

Not sure why the infobox on the Kathiwari article formatted so strangely; perhaps just because no photo. As far as a "proper" infobox, if you have ideas for things to change at {{tl|Infobox horse breed}}, feel free to pop over there and initiate a discussion. If adding a separate parameter for height range is one idea, I'm not completely opposed, though clearly there is the issue of the partial truce that I definitely do not want to stir up again. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:The other animal breed infoboxes, which are based on {{tl|infobox animal breed}} have, among other things, parameters for conservation status, distribution, height, weight and coat colour, all of which I'd like to see added to the horse one. I don't know why horse <s>and donkey</s> got left out when all the others were updated. I might try to sketch out something in a sandbox and invite criticism. Meanwhile, yes, let's keep waving that white flag. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Nordeus talk page ==

Can you please check out [[Talk:Nordeus]] so we can try to work things out. Thank you.--[[User:Serbianboy|VuXman]] [[User talk:Serbianboy|talk]] 09:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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:Thank you, {{u|Nettrom}}! That's very generous of you, considering that what I did there annihilated the work you'd already put in to improve it. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

== Buon Natale! ==

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'''May you have very Happy Holidays, Justlettersandnumbers'''

'''and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and panettone!'''

''Best wishes, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)''
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== Alexandre Mars‎‎ ==

Thanks for your attention to [[Alexandre Mars‎‎]] and finding that copyvio. I'm not sure if you saw the discussion on the article's talk page or on [[WP:COIN]], but Mars' PR director, {{user|Jennepicfoundation‎}} has been running roughshod over that article. I'm hoping to get a few other voices commenting on this paid editor's conduct. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] ([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]]) 15:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

{{user|Justlettersandnumbers‎}} Thanks for your help with the copyright info. I've replied to the post on Alexandre Mars's talk page.

== [[Aequale]]s ==

You're quite right, I have no idea what the group is playing in the picture. They are clearly a trombone quartet, but that only meets the very broad definition of an aequale, as a piece for equal voices or instruments, which is not really what the article is about. I have inserted a more clearly-associated illustration: a score of a 19th-century trombone funeral quartet. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 19:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

:I think that's much better, thank you, {{u|HLHJ}}! Personally, I'd much prefer to see a historic edition there rather than a modern one, though. I seem to have a copy of a nineteenth-century Breitkopf print of the same works, presumably downloaded from IMSLP (it carries the date of composition, 2 November 1812 – the Day of the Dead in that fateful year). Would that be better? If so I can easily upload it. I don't know the full publication history of those pieces, but as WoO they were presumably not published in Beethoven's time; nor do I know if there's an extant manuscript. The edition I have might even be the first printed edition. Regards, seasonal wishes, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

::That sounds great. It could be used to illustrate [[Old Cathedral, Linz#Music]], as well. Please do, when you have time. I've made an [[:commons:aequales|aequales category on Commons]], so if you stick it in there, then if anyone prefers to read a modern text they can find both easily. A recording would be marvelous, but I haven't found a suitably-licensed one yet.
::Incidentally, the [http://www.indiana.edu/~trombone/trombone_choir.html#sounds Indiana group] lists some pieces they've played, including [[Václav Nelhýbel]]'s "[[Tower Music]]", arranged for eight trombones, which seems to reference the aequale tradition. They've posted some recordings of Canzon Septimi Toni No. 2 by [[Giovanni Gabrieli]] and suchlike, too. [http://alanmswanson.com Alan Swanson] has posted a score and a recording of his "Equale per quattro tromboni, “Academic Discussion in Groningen”", but it's not very 18th-century, nor, obviously, public domain!
::[http://kimballtrombone.com/2009/07/28/trombone-history-beethovens-drei-equali/ Will Kimball's trombone history teaching page] also has a section on Beethoven's "Drei Equali", with a primary source in translation. Thanks for telling me that it was composed on the 2nd of November; I was wondering if it was a response to a performance. Best wishes for the holidays! [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 21:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I'll try to upload it soon … but see below! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Hello again, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]]. I hope you had a nice Christmas. I found the original public-domain text of the document I quoted in the aequale article (in blackletter, here: pp.20-21 [http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN689342624&PHYSID=PHYS_0031&DMDID=DMDLOG_0001 page], [https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/GBQX4QRMTF2ANNAAIWAI4PW6DAR35YTF record]). I hadn't considered the copyright on such a short translation; good catch. I post the original text here, followed by my own translation:
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In der ersten Klasse wird bei Ankunft der Geistlichkeit durch eine kurze Trauermusik (''Equal'') mit Posaunen oder andern Blasinstrumenten das Zeichen zur geistlichen Trauerhandlung fuer die Anwesenden gegeben, nach deren Vollendung sich der Leichenzug in bewegung sesset, welches wieder mittelst der blasenden Trauermusik angezeigt wird, mit welcher dann waerend des Zuges die Gesangmusik, die ein drei- oder vierstimmiges ''Misserere'' singet, abwechselt bis zum Eingange der Kirche oder Grabstaette, wo der Einsegnung der ''Vers.: Requiem aeternam'', gesungen wird. Nach erfolgter Einsegnung und dem allgemeinem Gebet wird eine Trauer-Motette gesungen.
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For first-class [funerals], the arrival of the clergy will be announced by a short mourning-music (''Equale'') played on trombones or other wind instruments. This will mark the beginning of the funeral service. After this, the funeral procession will set out, again suitably announced by mourning music on wind instruments. During the procession, this shall be played alternately with a three- or four-voice choral ''Misserere'' until arrival at the entrance of the church or graveyard, where the Requiem aeternam is sung in benediction. After the benediction and common prayer, a mourning motet is sung.
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::::Have you in the meantime found a professional public-domain translation? I'm sure a professional translator intimately acquainted with the funerary rituals of early 19th-century Linz would do a better job, so if you have, please post that. If not, could you please put this quote into the article, with the original text in a footnote? [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{u|HLHJ}}, as you may have seen, I have answered there. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Happy Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy New Year ==

To all who watch or visit this page:

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My very best wishes for the Christmas holidays and for the New Year. For family reasons I will be on Wikipedia only infrequently (if at all) for several days from now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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|''"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind youThat Dad Time be your friend from here to the endAnd sickness nor sorrow don't find you."—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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== Let's clean up some beef! ==

Thanks for {{diff|Template:Beef|prev|758179932|your edit to Template:Beef}}. Please help me update the articles removed from the navbox by removing the navbox from them ([[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]]). [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 23:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your support! I made a BOLD edit, and have followed up with a rationale on the talk-page. I was thinking of waiting for some reaction there – perhaps for a day or two – before cleaning up as you suggest. But please do as you think fit. I certainly would be glad to see it gone from the breed articles – it collates a mass of trivial or irrelevant topics and so serves essentially no useful navigational purpose. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 23:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
::Incidentally, what do you think of a beef cattle breed navbox? Is it worth making, or would it be superfluous to [[:Category:Beef cattle breeds]]? [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 20:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi, {{u|Ibadibam}}! As I (more or less) said on the talk-page there, I believe that the idea that cattle breeds can be categorised into a single use is only really going to be applicable to a small minority of mostly industrial-type breeds, and that the vast majority of breeds round the world are probably dual- or triple-purpose – not counting modern "uses" such as vegetation management and heritage conservation. It's also often a very modern categorisation, as many breeds were used as draught animals until the second half of the last century; a breed like the [[:Chianina]] has two thousand years of history, and has been a "beef breed" since the 1980s. Where I live, the last working cattle disappeared less than thirty years ago.
:::So I think that navboxes based on geographical criteria alone are more likely to be useful. I've made quite a lot of these (I think most of what is in [[:Category:Domestic animal breed navigational boxes|here]] other than the British and dog topics). But why don't you suggest this at [[WT:FARM]] and see what others think? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:26, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I'm not that invested in the idea; just sussing out your opinion. I think the existing navboxes are more than sufficient. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 21:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I restored the beef cattle category on the Piedmontese because they are considered [http://www.piemontese.info premium beef producers] and are established as a foundation breed (F1) for beef cattle (F2). I understood that Category: Beef was intended for food, but cattle that produce both beef (F1) and dairy products (the latter of which is actually a secondary trait world-wide for this breed unlike Holsteins) should not eliminate them from being categorized as beef cattle. The F1 bulls and cows are used far more often in beef production than anything else. [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 23:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:Doing a drive-by, keep in mind that navboxes don't have to be 100% bidirectional; that's a guideline, not a policy. [[WP:BIDIRECTIONAL]] has had a lot of drama over that questions. It is, in my view, perfectly appropriate to keep the beef navbox on beef cattle breed articles as a secondary box to a navbox on cattle breeds or whatever. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, agreed (on the first bit) – notice that I haven't said anything about bi-directionality here or at [[Template talk:Beef]]. But you don't need to be a genius to guess which way an RfC would go if there was to be one.

::À propos, I think it's time to pre-emptively turn {{tl|Equine}} into a portal or something – it too introduces a mass of only marginally relevant links to a lot of breed articles, and makes a very inviting target for those who enjoy trying to enforce guidance as rules. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

:::Heh, there was a major spat at WPEQ over someone who removed it from all 400 breed articles -- and I think before that there was a huge spat about including it! But we have a portal. [[Portal:Horses]] (maybe it should be linked on the navbox, it's in the project tag at the talk page, but readers don't go there. Dana boomer created the portal and I maintained it for a while after she left, but got a bit tired of doing so. At present, it is useless for navigation because all it can do is link to the category tree, which is a mess. I rather like our navbox, actually; though there is room to tweak some aspects, we do need a navbox that is an overview of the equine project, from breeds to activities, etc...IMHO. I think that navboxes that are too narrow are of no real benefit to the reader. But that's a discussion for the WPEQ page. What I do think we need is to take a look at the complete anarchy that is the category structure and whether there is a way to make that more sane. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

==Unrelated topic==
We probably need to have a broader discussion at WPEQ over whether putting "History" or "Characteristics" first in breed articles should be standardized or on an article-by-article basis. The latter may be the best approach, but the problem is when it's a fine line. (i.e. long history sections before describing appearance can be discouraging to the younger reader that often is the primary consumer of horse breed articles. I flipped one on the Kathiawari due to its prior GA status, but most of the time, the distinction is not a big deal because the articles are short anyway, so no long sections to discourage the reader. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Just noticed ==

You may want to take some of the material in [ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a1250e/annexes/List%20of%20breeds%20documented%20in%20the%20Global%20Databank%20for%20Animal%20Genetic%20Resources/List_breeds.pdf this source] with a grain of salt; while it may be accurate for stating something is an endangered breed, it listed the [[Waler horse]] as an extinct breed, which it most certainly is not ([http://www.rbta.org/the-waler-horse/], [http://www.walerhorse.com], [http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/horses/australias_horses/waler_horse], etc...). The same report also lists the "Palouse" as a breed of Australia -- and that is an old name for the American [[Appaloosa]] (see [[Palouse River]]). They also classify the "[[warmblood]]" as an Australian breed. I presume they got their lists from the DAD-IS or something? (big sigh) These governmental agency reports that get relied upon are absolutely terrible. (You've heard me rant about the USA "breeds"before... the "[[cow pony]].," "[[broomtail]]" and the "[[cayuse horse|cayuse]]" listed as breeds? Arrgh) Anyway, just letting you know that these international agencies may have a [[GIGO]] problem with their data. They are more RS than the fan breed pages you have diligently been trying to deal with (and thank you), but they are kind of worrisome. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:Er, yes, I know that! The database just holds the data submitted to it by each country, and "Breeds currently recorded in the global Databank for Animal Genetic Resources" (2007) is based on that data (the title is a hint!). So of course it's only as good as the data itself. It is indeed really surprising if the National Animal Germplasm Program of the USDA Agricultural Research Service doesn't know anything about American horse breeds, but if it doesn't that's hardly the fault of the FAO! Looks as if the Trade and Market Access Division of the Australian Government Department of Agriculture isn't much better. Fortunately, many countries do manage to report their breeds accurately, often with useful and detailed information. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::It appeared that the list of breeds data was from the same sources that the FAO DAD-IS gets theirs? ( i.e. national ag agency reports...?) At least, the USA list looked similar to what the FAO has... so, maybe my question is this: Which nations, in your view, have proved that they do a good job and which ones appear to delegate it to their most junior woodchuck? Seems, to me, overall, that the larger first world nations seem also to be the worse "offenders" with their listings. I suspect that the poor third-world nations might actually do a lot better? Your thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 19:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Mostly, as I said above, I think countries submit good and useful data; too often, even if the data is there, I find that it would need deeper knowledge than I have to interpret it (the various Mongolian horse breeds, for example). As I recall, Germany over-reports (almost 200 horse breeds IIRC), which makes it relatively hard to sift the useful data from the useless. Somebody (France, perhaps?) reports every plumage variety of each chicken as a separate breed – not really helpful. Because the reporting is done by government agencies or ministries or whatever, breeds without official recognition are quite likely to be omitted. Anyway, why not try a strongly-worded letter to the USDA, telling them what you think of their reporting of horses? (reporting of cattle looks pretty much OK). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Sigh. Surely you jest? Change the USDA report standards? Have someone who knows what they are talking about compile data? I wish. They have stuff that's 25 years old and never updated (I suspect the reason they list some extinct breeds is because they've copied over records dating to the 1800s...) The problem with the USA is that we are so fond of non-regulation of "free enterprise" that we don't care if breeds are officially recognized or not except where there is an import/export thing going on where we agree to recognize stud books from other nations for the purpose of importing "purebred" animals (follow the money. In the USA, always follow the money) -- there is no licensing of breeding stock done by the government, the only thing that is seriously regulated are issues surrounding disease transmission and food safety. And the regs for "recognized breeds" are... [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-9.pdf hopeless] [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf], [https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title9-vol1/pdf/CFR-2006-title9-vol1-sec151-1.pdf]). As a result, we have laws like [http://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0810/chapter_0040/part_0020/section_0100/0810-0040-0020-0100.html this one]-- with no further definition or guideline. Sorry, I'm ranting. But here's my favorite of the day: [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009019 1500] "Wild"Mustangs? But [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=208945b2d25c85e67412e0f04a718e91,reportsreport8a_50009015 30,000] "Spanish" Mustangs? (Most modern Mustangs have small amounts of Spanish blood, though there are a few remnant populations that are near-pure -- but the stats from the USDA to the DAD-IS really should have been flipped...) Sorry, went down a rabbit hole. It's really rather depressing. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 18:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

== Adamson University - RD1 ==

Thanks for that one - only 1725 revisions had to be deleted to get back to April 2008! :-) [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 12:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm really sorry, I did realise it was going to be a lot of work – that's why I only vaguely asked if it should go all the way back to the first copyvio on 15 September 2005‎! Many thanks for dealing with some of these, not many people do (and it's not hard to see why not). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
::Not a problem, doing them in batches of 250 did test the software or my laptop though. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 17:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright "violation" issue ==

Hi - so sorry for my previous lack of repsonse but I have only just come across your message to me, re copyright issues. For the record, I am Duncan Kimball of Sydney Australia, (dunks58). I am the co-founder and copyright owner of the milesago.com website, and I am the editor and author of most of the material therein (unless otherwise stated there). I am anxious to ensure that the contributions in question can be retained in the relevant articles. I am happy to undertake whatever procedures are necessary. If you could please advise how to go about this, I would be most grateful. Thanks and best regards, [[User:Dunks58|Dunks]] ([[User talk:Dunks58|talk]]) 15:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:Hi there, {{u|Dunks58}}, I was hoping you'd get in touch. Here's where I think we are: an email about this was sent to OTRS about six months ago, but it wasn't in itself quite sufficient for us to accept as permission. Someone (not me) replied to it asking for some clarification, but as far as I can see no reply was ever received. I'll forward the email to the sender. It has the number 2016081910002945 in its title; as long as that is quoted in any reply we should be able to join up the dots. We're also going to need a full list of all articles that contain content copied from that site – I hope you'll be able to help with that? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

::Justlettersandnumbers and {{u|Dunks58}}, there's a notice on milesago.com [http://www.milesago.com/MainFrame.htm here] that all material is authored by Duncan Kimball unless otherwise stated and that all of Kimball's material is released on CC-By-SA 3.0. Isn't that enough as long as cross-checks are made between the WP articles in question and the pages on the website where the text comes from to verify that no other author is credited? [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 15:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Certainly looks that way to me, {{u|Voceditenore}} – many thanks for finding that (it's not on any of the many pages of the site that I've looked at, perhaps because they were archived versions). Provided it covers all subpages of the website (Duncan?), all that's needed is to compile a complete list of all our pages with stuff copied from there, and then add a suitable attribution statement to each. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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== [[Nina Menkes]] article ==

I just kinda stumbled across this article in a very indirect way. I guess you could say I have a very minor interest, but not a conflict of interest here. In any case, I'll probably work at the article slowly over a couple of weeks. I may ask a very good editor to help a bit. In any case let me know if you have any objections to any of my edits. There's a lot of material and a lot of COI there, so I'll se what I can do. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 20:59, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:Sounds good to me, {{u|Smallbones}}! I've not much interest in the topic, but no desire at all to see people trying to use our pages to promote themselves, so I took a brush-hook to what was there. There's been socking as well as the COI, by the way. She's clearly notable, it shouldn't be too hard to find some factual information about her (not that I managed to find much). Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:12, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]([[User talk:Smallbones|smalltalk]]) 21:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Claus Drexel ==

Thanks for letting me know. I think it got moved along with the main page, I certainly didn't intentionally move the talk page and now I know if it ever comes up again to uncheck that box. [[User:Katharineamy|Katharineamy]] ([[User talk:Katharineamy|talk]]) 20:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:It's surely not your fault – it was misnamed from the start. Now [[Talk:Claus Drexel (filmmaker)/Temp|tagged for deletion]]. Normally, it's the ones with /Temp at the end that have a special function. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
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== Italian singer ==

Looked at a fairly superficial review like a probable keep to me, but I cannot read the foreign language sources, figured you would have some credibility on this discussion: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aura D'Angelo]]. My own view open to change pending further info... [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Charles Adelson ==

You marked this page for speedy deletion on the grounds of alleged CSD G10 problem. Please explain to me why you think the page "attacks, threatens or disparages." It is a neutral and well-sourced page about a notable figure, whose fame is primarily in connection with an ongoing murder investigation of a prominent Florida law professor. I checked Google News a few minutes ago and found 43,800 hits for Charles Adelson, mostly related to the murder. If you feel something in particular "attacks, threatens or disparages," please remove it. The decision to remove the entire page is inexplicable. Indeed, the only threat I can see in connection with the page is your threat to block me from editing on the basis of a false accusation of having created an attack page. [[User:Knowitall369|Knowitall369]] ([[User talk:Knowitall369|talk]]) 00:36, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:Well, that seems to have been resolved by the deletion of both [[:Charles Adelson]] and [[:Wendi Adelson]]. I've also reverted some edits at [[:Dan Markel]] that appeared to be unduly negative about living people without proper factual references. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
== RfC requested about tags ==

I have [[Talk:Roger Gosden#RfC of COI written article|requested RfC]] to address the issues you raised with maintenance tags. I am obviously not the right person to address said tags. — አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 19:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:As has been pointed out to me this is not the proper use of an RfC. However, I converted it a normal discussion and would like your input before I request that the tags you placed on [[Roger Gosden]] be removed. Simply, placing a [[Template:COI]] on an article without explanation on its talk page is a violation of policies in [[WP:COI]] and is even highlighted in the documentation of the template. Please join the discussion.— አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 04:57, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

== References on Robert Orledge ==

Hi, I note you reverted my changes to the references on [[Robert Orledge]]. I don't have any problem with reverting to the untemplated format for references, but is there any reason to keep a dead link (the Liverpool university one) when a one line stub (after removal of all the copyvio I found) has 2 references to support it?— [[User:Rodw|Rod]] [[User talk:Rodw|talk]] 09:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
:In my personal view, very little, {{u|Rodw}}. I was thinking of the guidance at [[WP:KDL]]. But please do as you think fit. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

== Consensus ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. When making an edit that causes drastic changes to a Wikipedia article, especially one that removes a large amount of information created by other users, such as your recent edits to [[Pekin (duck)]] please discuss it on the article's [[WP:Talk page]] first. Doing this allows other editors to discuss the potential changes with you, so you can be sure that [[WP:Consensus]] has been reached, as this is a Wikipedia standard. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 04:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
:Errm, {{u|EditSafe}}, there was already consensus on the talk-page that the article needed to be overhauled. Please see the section [[Talk:Pekin (duck)#Wow]], where three editors agreed on exactly that. You were one of them. I suggest continuing this on that page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::I do not think that anyone wanted you to remove all of the content and replace it with a short section of your own like you did. [[User:EditSafe|EditSafe]] ([[User talk:EditSafe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== Your comment ==

I don't think you have much to apologize for. It is true, in general, that new users tend to be met with hostility and that it's a problem that this drives away what could otherwise be useful contributors. I just don't happen to think that was what was happening in this case. But if you have evidence to the contrary, maybe it is I who should apologize. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:40, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

== North American Piedmontese ==

I don't understand why you removed so much information from the NAP article and made accusations that the information was promotional or it was a brand name, or whatever else you stated as the reason for removal. What you did was not unlike removing information in an [[AQHA]] article about double-registered paints and palominos, and calling Quarter horses a brand name. Your questions on the TP of the article leads me to believe you didn't do any research before you started removing information. I updated the few dead links and provided more links - which you could just as easily have done rather than delete and add tags. <s>I think the right thing to do in this case is for you to go back to the article and self-revert or replace all the information you removed from that article.</s> [[User:Atsme|Atsme]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 22:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC) Strike on 16:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

== revision made on the Lloyd Klein Page ==

Hi Just:
I am hoping I did not delete the recent paragraph that cites a recent personal issue that made tabloid headlines regarding alleged attacks on Mr. Klein and subsequent arrests revolving around the incident. The contributor (kbabej) who wrote the article should know better as she or he has contributed substantially to wikipedia biography articles. It seems to me to be a clear violation of wikipedia rules regarding posting potentially libelous and defamatory posts regarding living persons. I did a deletion of that edit as it has repercussions of great harm to the LLoyd Klein brand which was separately listed from Mr. Klein the person but merged into his biography page. As you I know I am closely involved with the topic and do not want to break the COI rules about interfering in an article, however I do recall that the rare instances that such an action is permissible is when it is one that is of defamatory nature. Your advice and guidance is appreciated.[[User:Fashionator|Fashionator]] ([[User talk:Fashionator|talk]]) 00:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for your note, {{u|Fashionator}}. I can't look in detail now, but anything sourced only to the ''Daily Fail'' should be be removed without hesitation, and removing unreferenced or poorly-sourced defamatory content from the [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]] is not just permitted but an obligation. I'll try to look more carefully when I've had some sleep. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 00:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Article Redirection ==

I noticed you just placed a redirect on the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utrechts-Alblasserwaards&redirect=no Utrechts-Alblasserwaards]. Should you do the same then for the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Hollandic South Hollandic] and other dialect-related articles lacking sources? Wishing you well, [[User:Tezamen|Tezamen]] ([[User talk:Tezamen|talk]]) 21:50, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Tezamen}}! I just happened to come across that one short stub. It had no references at all, so I redirected it. With suitable sources it could presumably become an article. Please do the same at [[South Hollandic]] and other similar pages if you think that appropriate. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Hi, I have reviewed the copyvio notice on the article [[Emma McClarkin]] and have removed all parts that were directly copied from other websites. Please remove the copyvio box. --[[User:Dimi z|dimi_z]] ([[User talk:Dimi z|talk]]) 13:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, further to the above comment, has there been any movement on this? Many thanks for your help. We are new to this but want to make positive contributions. [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 10:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Alexwikipediaedits}}! There's an OTRS ticket relating to that page, which I'm hoping someone other than me will handle. Unfortunately there's quite backlog (around 500 tickets last time I looked), so a little more patience may be needed. Unfortunately the rewrite by {{u|Dimi z}} (which should have been done at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Emma_McClarkin/Temp&action=edit&preload=Template:Copyvio/preload this page], not in the article itself) does not seem to be useable – see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Emma+McClarkin&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Femmamcclarkin.com%2Fabout-me%2F this comparison].
:Just one thing: why do you refer to yourself as "we"? You should know that Wikipedia user accounts are strictly for individual use – if there's more than one of you, you must each make your own account. Am I right in assuming that you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to McClarkin? If so, you must declare it – I'll leave a note on your talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Sometimes its easy to get lost in the everyday & lose sight of the little things you have done along the way. I just wanted to thank you again for your gentle encouragement & help in 2015 in creating my first article. Apparently I have now created enough valid articles to have "autopatrolled" permission. [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 04:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for this, {{u|Find bruce}} – it was my pleasure! I remember that article, though not the actual name of the cyclist (of course I could easily look it up). As it happens, I've seen your name a couple of times, and have looked to see what you've been up to – which seems always to be the law. That we managed to retain a valuable editor after an initial minor setback isn't such a "little thing", though – it's really crucial to the future of the project, and something we often get wrong. I'm truly pleased that you're still around, and that you took the trouble to post here – thank you! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 08:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
::law, politics, history, cyclists & fish - what I enjoy & interests me is an odd mix, never managed to find more than 3 in one article. The cycling articles are a lot of work finding reliable information, so I do them only occasionally. For me its mostly about finding the overlooked aspects whether it is whole articles or cleaning up tables & references. In writing that, it seems to be true for most editors - finding the combination of what needs to be done that corresponds with their interests. Cheers, [[User:Find bruce|Find bruce]] ([[User talk:Find bruce|talk]]) 10:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

== About [[Thomas Campbell (Australian politician)]] - good outcome, and thank you ==

Hi, Justlettersandnumbers, 
* Short version: the encyclopedia is better because of this.
* Long version: [[n/a|not applicable]], see the short version.
Pete AU aka --[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Emma McClarkin ==

Many thanks for flagging a potential copyright issue for the Emma McClarkin page. Further to Dimi's edits, are we able to remove this copyright notice? Now that we are fully aware of the protocol, we will make sure we adhere to it. Thanks [[User:Alexwikipediaedits|Alexwikipediaedits]] ([[User talk:Alexwikipediaedits|talk]]) 17:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== Rolf Gindorf ==

Thanks for taking care of the copyright violation problem at [[Rolf Gindorf]]. I'm still rather new at this, and I wasn't sure if I should remove the material altogether or try to get someone who could read the German articles to try to fix it. I asked for advice at the help desk but the result was not very helpful (mostly because I phrased my question badly). Glad to have it cleared up, and to have some idea of how to proceed in the future. Cheers! [[User:Leschnei|Leschnei]] ([[User talk:Leschnei|talk]]) 18:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
:What you did achieved the desired result, {{u|Leschnei}}, so thank you! There's whole article to be rewritten there if you're interested, but it might indeed be easier for someone who reads German. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Johann Adolph Hass]] ==

Hello,

On 5 February you posted a close paraphrasing tag on the above article. I have attempted to reword it a bit, could you take a look at it and if it's better remove the tag? Thanks. [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 20:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Jdcooper}}! I put that tag there because someone emailed OTRS about the close paraphrasing, and it didn't seem to me to be quite bad enough for the copyright problems board (on reflection, I could have been wrong about that). I've had a look at what you did, and at the original Grove article and … well, I'm still not happy. If Grove says "It was large instruments such as these that so many later 18th-century German composers had in mind, with good Bebung effects, discreet volume and a fairly bright tone", then our article simply cannot read "It was large instruments such as these that many late 18th-century German composers (such as C. P. E. Bach) had in mind when composing for the instrument, with good bebung ability and a bright tone". I've convinced myself, that's a copyvio, I'm going to go and fix it. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::Ok, fair enough. I didn't fix that bit because I didn't understand it! [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 10:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, that's certainly fair enough, {{u|Jdcooper}}! – I don't think many people know what ''bebung'' is, or indeed what a clavichord is, for that matter. Thank you for what you did to improve that article, and for reminding me that I'd put that tag there. There's a '''lot''' more to be written about him if you are interested, he seems to be much more important than our article implies. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm glad to hear that! But me, I'm a clean-up gnome. I will add him to my watchlist and leave it to the experts :) [[User:Jdcooper|Jdcooper]] ([[User talk:Jdcooper|talk]]) 11:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

for pointing me to http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/09e06a12.pdf. It was a good reading experience. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 19:44, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
:My pleasure, {{u|PigeonIP}}. It's good to see you around. I haven't yet looked at the Paul-Erwin Oswald pages you recommended, but thank you for the links. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== Palazzetto Bru Zane ==

Thank you for your comment on my article. I was not aware of the fact that the inclusion of 'original research' (or just personal knowledge) is not suitable for Wikipedia and that the official homepage of an institution does not count as an appropriate source - I see the point that it is not independent even if it is reliable and verifiable. However, I found most of the general information about the foundation's activities in mostly German newspaper articles (where I got to know it in the first place). It would seem odd to me to add a reference to every single sentence (they organise concerts, they publish CDs, and so on), but would the article be acceptable with these newspaper articles given as sources? I could also delete the information that is only available via the homepage; I only strived for thoroughness in adding those and I thought mentioning say the Internet radio might just be as rewarding for the interested reader as it was for me when I came across it. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 17:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, {{u|CharlesVilliers}}, content added here should normally be supported by independent references unless it is really unlikely to be challenged. As a general rule, we don't normally just overwrite someone else's article – though it does sometimes happen if the existing text is really poor. I don't think that's the case here. Also, I've asked for the page to be moved back to [[:Centre de musique romantique française]], on the basis that the centre (which is, what, six or seven years old?) is a separate topic from the [[:Casino Zane]], which has three or four centuries of history, and deserves a page of its own. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you again for your quick reply. The name of the foundation/organisation/centre is indeed ''Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique française'', even if it may seem counterintuitive. Not only their homepage and the logo confirm this, but also newspaper articles such as this one, see the first sentence: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/feb/23/mehul-uthal-cd-review-deshayes-beuron-bou Just as you put it, ''Casino Zane'' may be the most appropriate name for the building itself, while ''Centre de musique romantique française'' rather acts as a subtitle explaining the nature of the organisation. I invested some time in writing this article and very conscientiously checked all sources I could find. I will try to edit my version with giving these sources more precisely. Concerning additional information that is to be found on their homepage and is also very unlikely to be challenged - do you strongly advise against including it? [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 18:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
:::{{u|CharlesVilliers}}, the best place to discuss this is the talk-page of the article, perhaps you could take it there? It would be polite to invite comment from {{u|In ictu oculi}} and perhaps some of the other editors who wrote the content that's there now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Hello, and thank you for your improvements on the article. Glancing over your edit summaries, I get the impression that you are quite upset with the previous and maybe the current state of the page. You have every right to do so. Still, I find expressions such as ″this is an encyclopaedia, for heaven's sake!″, ″uninspiring opera″ or the term ″hijack″ you used in the move discussion inappropriate and directed rather to me as a person than strictly limited to the matter. I regret you had a rather harsh attitude to all my additions, which were meant to be constructive; for example, you removed the mention of the [[Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles]] as unreferenced, while at least one of the given links draws this comparison ([[http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2009/10/08/venise-capitale-a-distance-de-la-musique-romantique-francaise_1251171_3246.html?xtmc=bru_zane&xtcr=13]]). As a new member, a [[Wikipedia:Please_bite_the_newbies|newbie]], I think I deserve a more respectful, kinder treatment. I had to adjust and am still adjusting to the change from reader to editor. I personally think it's great what the Palazzetto is doing—otherwise I would have had no interest in writing about it—but I was very aware to keep a neutral tone. English is not my first language so I may not always have succeeded. But as I understand Wikipedia, suboptimal phrases can continuously be improved by everyone and that's what I was hoping for to happen. [[User:CharlesVilliers|CharlesVilliers]] ([[User talk:CharlesVilliers|talk]]) 13:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your close attention to the editing history of the article on David and Simon Reuben. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
|}
:{{ec}} Thanks, {{u|Edwardx}}! But it seems I've still not finished there, there's more. Working on it now. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Someone really needed to get on top of it, and well done for doing so. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

==Reuben Foundation==
Just stumbled across [[Reuben Foundation]]. Looks like the same COI editor may have added problematic material. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, that'll be next. What a mess! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:: Thanks! [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 13:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

[[File:Cute grey kitten.jpg|left|150px]]
thanks for creating 'geometry of fear', well organized and very informative page.

[[User:Allthingsgo|LairdUnlimited]] ([[User talk:Allthingsgo|talk]]) 19:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 
:Thank you, {{u|Allthingsgo}}, I'm pleased to hear that someone has read it – almost all those people are so very thoroughly forgotten! I started that short page when I was writing about [[Robert Clatworthy (sculptor)|Robert Clatworthy]] and found we had nothing on them. Best regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

== Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in. ==
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This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard]] regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The discussion is about the topic [[American Pekin Duck]].
Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Seems that EditSafe filed a request for volunteer interference. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

We have a second round of statements at [[WP:DRN#Talk:American Pekin_Duck#Previous_and_current_revisions]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 17:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Look familiar? ==

Newly registered account via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Klein49 Klein49]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 07:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:And another one registered yesterday via Italian Wikipedia [https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Eco2346 Eco2346]. Here on English WP, they just tried to re-create [[Bob Marchese]] (the actor who portrayed [[Carlo Biotti]] in ''[[Piazza Fontana: The Italian Conspiracy]]'') and as you saw, also added nonsense to [[Lierna Castle]]. The edit patterns of both accounts both here and cross-wiki speak for themselves. Do you think it's worth filing an SPI? Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::First thing, big kudos for your patience and tenacity in keeping on top (?) of this – thank you, {{u|Voceditenore}}! I don't know whether there's any value in a local SPI for what is mostly a global problem, affecting many Wikipedias where admins may perhaps be fewer and less experienced than here. A few Smithson socks ago I asked {{u|M7}} to globally lock a couple of them, which he/she did (thank you!). When I asked if we could also globally nuke the sock edits, the reply was "ask an active sysop on meta" – which I didn't, probably a mistake.

::I see that {{u|Vituzzu}}, who is an active admin on it.wp, is also a check-user on meta, which may be just what we need – so pinging in the hope he may be able/willing to advise whether anything can or should be done, and if so what and how (Vituzzu, if you see this, we can provide any amount of background if needed, just ask!). What would be still better would be to know what might be done to keep it under control in the future. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

:::I don't know if I'm on top of this, but I must say this whack-a-mole game is becoming extremely tedious. He had gone almost a year here w/out creating registered sock accounts and now two in as many days. Anyhow, an adminsistrator on it.wp, [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]], successfully requested a global lock on the latest one above [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eco2346 Eco2346]. I've now applied [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global#Global_lock_for_Klein49 here] on Meta for a global lock on Klein49. We'll see what happens. I'm not sure if this account has to be blocked on en.wp first. Anyhow, if he tries any more of these, I'm strongly tempted to create an [[WP:LTA|LTA]] page for Smithson. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 08:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, I blocked Klein49: no mercy, sorry, waiting for glock ;) I agree with both of you: the game is tedious and the guy is becoming more and more dangerous above all for minor wikis, avoiding the bigger ones, too much guarded. I dont'know if [[WP:LTA|LTA]] will do, but good luck. I guess: impossible a ''big-global-universal-end-of-the-world-filter'' for the word "Natoli" :D ? It might help. Ciao! [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 08:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Hi [[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]]. Thanks so much for the block on it.wp. That should make the global lock easier. You're right, he's especially a danger to the smaller Wikis. He's creating havoc on simple.wp. [[WP:LTA|LTA]] isn't a sanction as such but it is very useful in preserving [[institutional memory]] and helping others spot future abuse. At the moment, it's only me and Justlettersandnumbers on en.wp who are keeping him on watch and know his patterns. {{{{SIGH}}}}. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 09:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Actually, VdT, I've noticed {{u|AttoRenato}} keeping a watch on some en.wp pages too (thank you!). I've no idea how to do an LTA page, but I'm happy to contribute. What I really want to know is where to go to ask for and discuss a global solution. We asked the Foundation for better tools to deal with long-term abuse; this seems to be just the sort of thing we need them for. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::You mean something like the ability to globally nuke the edits of globally locked accounts? I guess one problem is that it wouldn't work with IPs, and most of his damage now is done via IPs, which shift constantly. There's potential for a lot of collateral damage. Or perhaps the idea of global edit filters for words like "Natoli", "Biotti", "Polli", "Sperlinga" etc.? The problem with that is that there would have to be some way from exempting extended auto-confirmed users and it wouldn't stop him from adding nonsense to exisiting articles as long as the additions didn't include those words. I guess you could start by raising the issue at [[:meta:Wikimedia Forum]] or perhaps contact [[User:Mdennis (WMF)]] for suggestions on who best to approach. Re an LTA page, I've done one before. I'll see about cooking one up and post it if the nonsense continues. (It's bound to!) I'm also going to warn simple.wp and [[Wikidata]]. He's made numerous edits to Wikidata. Lord knows what "facts" he has added to that dubious "knowledge base", many of which can get automatically incorporated into infoboxes or even generate articles on some wikis. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 12:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Hey! :) So, improving blocking tools in a way that is less wack-a-mole and more intelligent is in the works, but isn't going to be an instant change. The work is being done as part of a grant from the Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund meant to help combat harassment and trolling, but with collateral benefits (see [[Meta:Community health initiative]]). Our blocking tools are dinosaurs, easily circumvented. Our Product team is working to change that. In terms of global edit filters or global rollback, those would likely be best raised at the Community Wishlist survey if you're looking for WMF assistance. Otherwise, a discussion at the forum or even starting with the [[WP:VPT]] might be the way to start, prior to filing a Phabricator ticket. --[[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie Dennis (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Mdennis (WMF)|talk]]) 13:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks [[User:Mdennis (WMF)|Maggie]] [[File:SMirC-smile.svg|25 px]]. [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 19:30, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/YACUT89a7 He's back...], check please. Bye. --[[User:AttoRenato|AttoRenato]] ([[User talk:AttoRenato|talk]]) 03:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

== Up your alley ==

Non-English speaker with good intentions, and probably knowledge, but what a mess. [[Karachay horse]]. You are better at untangling this sort of mess than I am, good luck! [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, Montana! Actually you mentioned this before ([[#Help|Help, dated 13 November 2016]]). I still feel the same – it could do with some tidying up, but it's better than most of our breed articles. Some of the references should probably be checked, but I don't speak Russian and I most definitely don't know any [[Karachay-Balkar]]. Why not list it in the clean-up section of [[Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English]] in the hope of attracting someone who does? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

==[[Capel Manor House]]==

Quick query - don't understand why we'd want to revert to the old (1976) West Kent and The Weald Pevsner, when we've got the new one (2012) available. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 18:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|KJP1}}! I had two reasons for doing that: (a) I could see it on Google books, but had no preview for the more recent one (do you?), and there may be more there that can be made use of; and (b) Pevsner himself is listed as an author of that edition (published before he died) – I linked directly to our page on him for that reason. But I don't feel particularly strongly about it, I was really more interested in removing the sock-puppet edits. Do you want to change it back? Or cite both? Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::In my great good fortune, I've got the entire Pevsner, old and new. I do think there's a bit more we can take from the new, so I'll have a look and, if I can, I'll cite the new. As you say, the 1976 version was also by Newman and Pevsner - Newman started as one of Pevsner's many drivers. Agree entirely re. the sock puppet edits - I strongly suspect the whole original article was "lifted" from somewhere. All the best. [[User:KJP1|KJP1]] ([[User talk:KJP1|talk]]) 19:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:::That sounds excellent, thank you! Yes, I cleaned up five articles with large contributions from {{noping|Gyles82}}, who was indeffed for copyright violations; in three of them I found blatant copy-pasting, in two I did not, and so removed the text on presumption only; but, like you, I'm quite convinced it was plagiarised. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

== Wendell M. Levi: The Pigeon ==

Do you have access to The Pigeon by Wendell M. Levi? There shall be a preface mentioning Karl Stauber (Swiss photographer, author, ... ) I would like to read... (don't know the year)

I am preparing to write articles about Karl Stauber, Dr. Werner Lüthgen and Wilfried Detering (in German). Lüthgen and Detering just died this February (both are recipients of the "[[Bundesverdienstkreuz]] am Bande"; [[:de:Liste von Trägern des Bundesverdienstkreuzes#Verdienstkreuz am Bande]] (not included)). Karl Stauber had his 90th birthday. --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 08:50, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|PigeonIP}}! I don't have any access to that book beyond what Google gives me, which is [https://books.google.it/books?id=wgpBAAAAYAAJ&dq=editions%3A2MU_TaR0CWgC&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22karl+stauber%22 snippet view of the 1957 edition]. Stauber is mentioned more than 40 times – I assume he supplied some of the illustrations? I look forward to reading about him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:40, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
::I am just able to get "matching items" in the 57th edition via hathitrust (but no snippets)
::82 photographs of Stauber are mentioned...
::rereading the article: "persönliche Widmung" is a book with personal dedication Stauber got from Levi... – no preface :(
::btw.: thanks for using the notification-tool. This way I get the pings (sometimes) in timeand in other projects (de-wp, wm-co) to be able to answer ;) --[[User:PigeonIP|PigeonIP]] ([[User talk:PigeonIP|talk]]) 12:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

== "how did this end up here??? (sorry!)" ==

Well, I can explain, though you've probably figured it out for yourself by now. If you're still curious, all is explained [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Article_title|here]]. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 15:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, worked it out, {{u|Maproom}}. What I don't know is whether you should/could have changed "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Maproom|ns=118}}</nowiki>" to read "<nowiki>{{AFC submission|||ts=20170320225800|u=Galical|ns=118}}</nowiki>". That would I think have averted the strange behaviour. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

== Quin Abbey ==

Hi: Looking at the text now, you are correct that I should have taken greater care to paraphrase the content more. Although the Clare County Library is clearly named as the source, this was in many places way too close to the original.

It might have been preferable to just rephrase/condense the offending parts. However, I realize that a quick correction was needed.[[User:Drow69|Drow69]] ([[User talk:Drow69|talk]]) 15:53, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Drow69}}! And yes, in an ideal world where we had dozens of editors working on copyright clean-up and each had the luxury of unlimited time to deal with each suspected problem, it would certainly be more friendly and better for the individual article to rewrite all infringing content. I do actually try to do that to some small extent. The hitch is that, in general, an editor who adds one copyright violation very often also adds another, and establishing with reasonable certainty whether that has or has not happened can be '''very''' time-consuming. So I'm afraid I usually just revert to before the first identified "bad" edit unless there's a clearly-defined block of offending text that can be neatly excised. It's not ideal, I know. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

== Rodeo bulls ==

JLAN, I've been helping the editor who is working on the rodeo bull riding articles — I think all that is really needed is a talkpage heads up and ask her to fix stuff, perhaps with a link to the copyvio results you are relying upon so she can see the trouble areas; this is a fairly new user who learns quickly and has a lot of good faith. She’s been real good about taking advice when I’ve offered itWe have a teachable person and I don’t want to lose her as an editor because she has a good combination of energy and interest that we need more of around here. Try not to bite too hard, OK? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 17:12, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
:Late reply, sorry! Yes, saw some of the kerfuffle on your talk-page. It's [[WP:IAR|kind of just OK]] to remove the copyvio template from a page once you're quite sure there's no remaining problem, but do please make double-sure that you really have got it all – you'd missed several bits at [[Challenge of the Champions]], as you saw. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Sensory processing disorder]] ==

Hey, can anything be done about the copyvio situation on the article? It's been tagged for a month now and gets 1,000 views daily (was also in the news recently because a woman's son who was patted down by the TSA had this). [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 15:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Opencooper}}, sorry I didn't answer this sooner. I've now looked in more detail at the article history, and it's not good news: it needs to be rewritten. I've posted an explanation on the talk-page. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
::Hey, no biggie, thanks for looking into it. That's unfortunate. As I don't feel comfortable editing a medical article myself either, I've posted [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Article_rewrite_needed|a plea]] at WikiProject Medicine. [[User:Opencooper|Opencooper]] ([[User talk:Opencooper|talk]]) 05:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

==Translationese==
Hi, thanks for your comments a few weeks ago at the Village Pump. Unfortunately I had to put down Wikipedia for a few weeks there and I didn't get to push the discussion further. I myself don't know how to create a template, but I'll try to use the templates you suggested if I encounter this again. I do agree with Thnidu though that an in-line template would be best. FYI, the link to the Village Pump discussion is [[WP:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_137#New_template_needed|here]]. - [[User:Wwallacee|Wwallacee]] ([[User talk:Wwallacee|talk]]) 09:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== Hieroglyphs ==

The comments on the CP listing gave me the impression that the idea of having the list was the copyright infringement (as opposed to the issue being the copying of text), and the AFD seemed to conclude that no, having the list was fine. If you think I misunderstood something, please feel free to put the item back at CP. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 22:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
:I think you've got the right idea – that the copying of an ordered list by an author whose work is still in copyright could well be unacceptable. I didn't see that the AfD discussion had really gone into that. I've been ducking this because it's well outside my comfort zone. I suppose I'll start a talk-page discussion … Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology]] ==

That article always drives me nuts - lots of fluff, grandstanding/POV/best thing since sliced bread statements. I keep an eye on it mainly for outright-vandalism but every time I read some of it I think "DAYum this thing needs a complete overhaul". Your recent changes have been a big improvement, so thank you. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:07, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
:Well, thanks, {{u|Shearonink}} – but really I only chipped a little at the tip of the iceberg. There's a '''lot''' more to be done there, I think. I thought I'd wait to see if those initial changes would stick before I did too much more. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
::Btw, you've inspired me so I've decide to chip away at the Alumni section - WP:BLP concerns etc. My criteria atm is that if the person's WP-article even just ''mentions'' that the person attended TJHSST then their name stays. Then I'll go back through and add references for those folks. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 16:20, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

== Chinese academy of sciences ==

Hello, you have [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/773262083 removed] all edits I added in this change [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/766032952]

I saw you later removed inline weblinks too, but the information I added is merely an expansion to what is there already.

I would appreciate it if you could add it back yourself. Thanks!

[[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC) [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 23:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Pieceofmetalwork}}, those institutions were – like almost everything in that page – without any [[WP:reference|reference]]. Please feel free to add them back yourself with appropriate [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 21:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
::Because you removed the references... A link to a website on a domain owned by the academy of sciences is a proof of its existence. Having inline links is bad practice, right, but then you can't remove the links, then claim that there is no source, because those were the references. [[User:Pieceofmetalwork|Pieceofmetalwork]] ([[User talk:Pieceofmetalwork|talk]]) 21:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Zwirner gallery page ==

Hi there,

I've been trying to fix the page for DavidZwirner gallery, because it's massive out of date and thin. Here are my suggested edits, which are purely factural and fully referenced. Could you let me know why it all keeps being deleted?
{{cot}}
The David Zwirner Gallery is an American contemporary art gallery owned by David Zwirner. It has two gallery spaces in New York City and one in London, and has plans to open in Hong Kong in 2018.[1]
History
1990s
In 1993, David Zwirner (b. 1964, Cologne, Germany) opened his first eponymous gallery on Greene Street in the SoHo neighborhood of New York City.[2]
In its first year, the reception of its exhibition by the young Los Angeles-based artist Jason Rhoades, along with a gallery expansion in 1994, contributed to the gallery’s early recognition.[3] In 1994, David Zwirner presented the U.S. debut exhibition of Belgian painter Luc Tuymans.[4]
The roster of artists during this decade also included Raoul De Keyser, Stan Douglas, Marcel Dzama, On Kawara, Toba Khedoori, The Estate of Gordon Matta-Clark, John McCracken, Raymond Pettibon, Yutaka Sone, Diana Thater, Franz West, and Christopher Williams.
2000s
In 2002, Zwirner moved his gallery from SoHo to Chelsea (525 West 19th Street). In 2006, the gallery then expanded from 10,000 to 30,000 square feet (2,800 m2) by adding spaces at 519 and 533 West 19th Street.
Artists who joined the gallery during this decade included Tomma Abts, Francis Alÿs, Mamma Andersson, Michaël Borremans, R. Crumb, Philip-Lorca diCorcia, Marlene Dumas, Suzan Frecon, Isa Genzken, Jockum Nordström, Chris Ofili, Michael Riedel, Thomas Ruff, James Welling, Lisa Yuskavage, and the Leipzig painter Neo Rauch, who had his U.S. debut exhibition at the gallery in 2000.
The gallery also announced the representation of a number of estates, including those of Dan Flavin, Alice Neel, Fred Sandback, and Al Taylor.
From 2000 to 2009, David Zwirner also was a partner with Iwan Wirth in Zwirner & Wirth, a gallery on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, which focused on private sales and historically researched exhibitions.
Following the move of David Zwirner’s part of the business to Chelsea, highlights have included Dan Flavin: Series and Progressions (2009), a major survey of the artist’s work in fluorescent light, and Primary Atmospheres: Works from California 1960-1970,[5] a critically acclaimed survey of West Coast Minimalism which is often credited with contributing to the transformation of the market for many of the “Light and Space” artists.
2010 to present
In 2012, David Zwirner expanded into Europe.[6] The gallery opened in an eighteenth-century Georgian townhouse on Grafton Street in London’s Mayfair district with a solo exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans.[7] After a renovation overseen by architect Annabelle Selldorf of Selldorf Architects, the building has almost 10,000 square feet (930 m2) throughout five floors, with main exhibition spaces on three levels.[8]
The gallery announced its exclusive representation of Judd Foundation in 2010, and the Estate of Ad Reinhardt in 2013. Other artists who joined the gallery included Carol Bove (2011); Doug Wheeler (2012); Jeff Koons, Yayoi Kusama, Oscar Murillo, and Jordan Wolfson (2013); Karla Black, Bridget Riley, Richard Serra, Wolfgang Tillmans, and Kerry James Marshall (2014); Blinky Palermo and Jan Schoonhoven (2015). The gallery announced its exclusive representation of William Eggleston in 2016, and of the Estate of Ruth Asawa in 2017.[9] As of 2017, the Estate of Felix Gonzalez-Torres is co-represented by David Zwirner and Andrea Rosen Gallery.[10]
Further expansion continued in 2013 with the opening of a new five-story 30,000 square foot (2,800 m2) building in New York’s Chelsea neighborhood (537 West 20th Street).[11] Also designed by Selldorf, it became the first commercial art gallery to receive LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) certification.[12] The building was featured on the cover of Architectural Record[13] magazine and featured in Architect magazine.[14] The inaugural exhibition was a presentation of significant large-scale works by Dan Flavin and Donald Judd.[15]
David Zwirner Books was founded in 2014 as the stand-alone publishing house of David Zwirner. The imprint publishes catalogues, monographs, historical surveys, artist books, and catalogue raisonnés related to the gallery’s exhibition program.[16] Zwirner's son Lucas is Editorial Director at David Zwirner Books.[17]
In early 2018, David Zwirner will open a new location in Hong Kong. With interiors by Annabelle Selldorf, the gallery will incorporate close to 10,000 square feet of exhibition space on two floors of H Queen's, a new building in the city's Central district designed by William Lim.[18]
Artists:
Tomma Abts
Anni Albers
Josef Albers
Francis Alÿs
Mamma Andersson
Ruth Asawa
Karla Black
Michaël Borremans
Carol Bove
R. Crumb
Raoul De Keyser
Philip-Lorca diCorcia
Stan Douglas
Marlene Dumas
Marcel Dzama
William Eggleston
Dan Flavin
Suzan Frecon
Isa Genzken
Felix Gonzalez-Torres
Donald Judd
On Kawara
Toba Khedoori
Jeff Koons
Yayoi Kusama
Sherrie Levine
Kerry James Marshall
Gordon Matta-Clark
John McCracken
Giorgio Morandi
Oscar Murillo
Alice Neel
Jockum Nordström
Chris Ofili
Palermo
Raymond Pettibon
Sigmar Polke
Neo Rauch
Ad Reinhardt
Jason Rhoades
Michael Riedel
Bridget Riley
Thomas Ruff
Fred Sandback
Jan Schoonhoven
Richard Serra
Yutaka Sone
Al Taylor
Diana Thater
Wolfgang Tillmans
Luc Tuymans
James Welling
Doug Wheeler
Christopher Williams
Jordan Wolfson
Yun Hyong-keun
Lisa Yuskavage

References
1.
• Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner's Art Empire". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "The Rhoades Less Traveled - Previews - Art in America". www.artinamericamagazine.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Villarreal, Ignacio. "Exhibition of new paintings by Luc Tuymans inaugurate David Zwirner's new space in London". artdaily.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Viveros-Faune, Christian (2010-01-26). "David Zwirner's 'Primary Atmospheres' Is California Sweet". Village Voice. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Magazine, Wallpaper* (2012-10-05). "A trio of US galleries opens in London before Frieze Art Fair | Art | Wallpaper* Magazine". Wallpaper*. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "'We wanted something that screamed Europe'". Financial Times. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Represents the Estate of Ruth Asawa | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-01-09. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "Andrea Rosen Will Close Her Gallery After 27 Years | artnet News". artnet News. 2017-02-22. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • Westall, Mark (2012-03-13). "David Zwirner to Open Two Major Galleries in London and New York in 2012". FAD Magazine. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Gallery | Open Green Map". www.opengreenmap.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner". Architect. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • USA, AICA. "AICA-USA | NEWS & EVENTS | Review: Dan Flavin and Donald Judd at David Zwirner Gallery". www.aicausa.org. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • "David Zwirner Will Open David Zwirner Books in Chelsea This Fall | ARTnews". www.artnews.com. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
• • http://theartnewspaper.com/news/in-the-frame/zwirner-prodigy-turns-to-in-house-publishing/. Missing or empty |title= (help)
18. • Qin, Amy (2016-06-09). "David Zwirner Gallery to Open Outpost in Hong Kong in 2017". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-04-06.
Categories:
• 1993 establishments in New York
• Culture of New York City
• Art galleries in Manhattan
• Art galleries established in 1993
• Art galleries in London
{{cob}}
Many thanks [[User:1-ona|1-ona]] ([[User talk:1-ona|talk]]) 14:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|1-ona}}! I've been trying to fix it too – it was a long way from what we regard as suitable content for an encyclopaedia. The best place to talk about this is the talk-page of the article, [[Talk:David Zwirner Gallery]]. Do you have some connection to the gallery, by the way? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== Changes in "[[American Pekin]]" ==

Hello again. The article is reverted back to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_Pekin&oldid=775346995 your version]. You may improve it right now; I told the other editor to refrain from editing it for a long while. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 13:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|George Ho}}, I'll try to get to it soon. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

==Stig Harder & Fashion Net==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I apologize for the mixup.

Could you help get the articles back for FASHION NET at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_Net and my own at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Harder? I read the reason was there weren't enough references online to establish notability.

Here are several references from print publications back when the Internet was in its infancy:
{{cot}}
stigharder.com/media/harpers-bazaar-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/henne-2002.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/british-vogue-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/elle-japan-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/guardian-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/le-monde-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/net-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/netuser-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/new-york-times-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/paper-magazine.jpg stigharder.com/media/planete-internet-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/time-magazine-1996.jpg stigharder.com/media/usa-today-1997.jpg stigharder.com/media/vogue-1995.jpg stigharder.com/media/wired-1996.jpg

My executive membership at the IADAS (click on letter H): https://www.iadas.net/membership/

Thank you so much.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 07:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Dear Justlettersandnumbers,

I found the archived page for Cooper Hewitt's "Mixing Messages" exhibition in 1996-1997 where Lumiere was included:

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/19970215142503/http://mixingmessages.si.edu:80/mm/dialogue/comm5.jhtml;MSkKN8ldt0c3R4wNNhG9EntHIMA793ySd5zF1QNZss8m0lA

I see the article itself is missing from the archive, but my staff back then did a screenshot: stigharder.com/media/cooper-hewitt-1997.jpg
{{cob}}
Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 20:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Stigharder}}, I'm afraid you really are asking the wrong person. I've spent several hours of my life, over a period of several years, trying to clean up inappropriate promotional edits made by you or [[WP:SOCK|people connected with you]], and I have absolutely no interest in seeing any of the articles restored.

That said, it looks to me as if you '''might perhaps''' have enough sources there to justify requesting a [[WP:deletion review]] with the reason "[[WP:DRVPURPOSE|significant new information has come to light since ... deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page]]", so that's an option you could consider. I think you should expect some fairly vigorous opposition if you do decide to give it a try. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Justlettersandnumbers.

Warm regards,

Stig

[[User:Stigharder|Stigharder]] ([[User talk:Stigharder|talk]]) 19:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Editors Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I pottered over to [[Francesco Clemente]] this afternoon intending to fix some of the content issues I knew were there... lo and behold, you'd already done a sterling job of fixing the problems with the article. Thanks for your hard work! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|雲]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]] 11:52, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Yunshui}}, much appreciated! That's a work-in-progress, though, still far from complete. I hope to get back to it soon, if you don't get to it first. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:03, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Laws of London]] ==

Hello, another editor has (or rather, had) tagged the page as g8, the notice giving the criteria 'redirect to non-existent page' or 'to itself' etc. I have removed it, as your redirect to the appropriate section seems valid to me. Regards, [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 15:51, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:I saw, {{u|Eagleash}}, thank you for that. I've added a {{tl|R with possibilities}} tag to it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
::OK good. I wasn't sure whether you might have w/listed it... [[User:Eagleash|Eagleash]] ([[User talk:Eagleash|talk]]) 16:33, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

== Paid Editor radar? ==

How good is your undisclosed paid editor radar? I saw your post at the noticeboards trying to deal with one... I've just done an unusual thing for me and nominated a couple articles for AfD... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stephanie_Fryar_(2nd_nomination)], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brian_Bain], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jared_Keylon]. Anyway, noticed the same person created each. I did a bit of digging and this user is [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/?user=RonSigPi&project=en.wikipedia.org&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects prolific] in article creation, but quality... ? Anyway, I don't know if he's over-eager or an undisclosed paid editor, plus you know I can get bitey when I get on the track of some sort of problem, so thought I'd ask you if either 1) You want to sniff about with your nose for problems (radar, perhaps?) or 2) If this is outside your balliwick, perhaps you can point me to the guru(s) of sniffing out paid editors. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
:If I have any radar at all, I'd say it's somewhere between poor and pathetic. There are some very switched-on people at WP:COIN, with real perception and investigation and research skills, so that's where I'd usually take suspicions of this sort. Even so, I'm pretty certain that it isn't the problem here, which appears to be just the common Wikipedia disease of creating yet more stubs about completely non-notable sportspeople because they've once kicked or struck a ball or whatever for money. Which reminds me, there's a discussion of that guideline underway somewhere … [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, there is a link to the discussion from [[WT:WikiProject Horse racing]]. I'm ambivalent, I agree about the kicked a ball thing, but I had quite a debate once over a jockey who won the Grand National back in the 1800s, when the facade of "amateur gentlemen" was maintained... won that round, but saw a need for guidelines. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]

{{od}}Totally different issue: [[Yanardag]]. Not sure what to do with this; clean up or AfD. Thoughts? [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:34, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{tps}} If the horse is on both a postage stamp (currently pictured) and the [[Coat of arms of Turkmenistan]], it obviously meets Wikipedia notability requirements. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 07:45, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yep, agree with {{u|Softlavender}} – he's surely notable. [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/turkmenistan/1460852/A-peep-into-the-strange-world-of-Turkmenbashi-whose-every-word-is-law.html Here's a mention] in the ''Daily Telegraph'', for example. And yes, it certainly needs some work, which I'm not planning to put in (I had a go at [[Chetak]], though). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Heh, my situation too. Maybe I'll just post at WPEQ talk and see if anyone bites. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 03:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

:{{tps}} [[User:Montanabw]] I think I have a fairly good nose for spotting UPE but I don't see anything that raises my suspicions with this editor. Everything appears to be sourced and verifies from the cited sources and the content is not promotional. As to whether they are notable... [[WP:NSPORT]] isn't my expertise. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 09:02, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::Montana, this {{up-arrow}} is one of the switched-on editors I was referring to. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 09:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

==Take up a fair old chunk of your page, I'm afraid ;)==
(About half of Astley's ''Art of Riding'', 1584, removed to reduce page size)

Best of luck! — [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|'''O Fortuna''']][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis''''']] 16:09, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

== 10:24:13, 7 May 2017 review of submission by 5.80.9.116 ==
{{Lafc|username=5.80.9.116|ts=10:24:13, 7 May 2017|declined=Draft:Good_Bad_Poems}}

Dear Just etc..,

Many thanks for the advice. I am not able to develop my article on Good Bad Poetry after the fashion that you suggest, and I have concluded that it is best if I abandon it.

Thank you again for the trouble you have taken to help me.

Lewis Jones.

Just, Thank you for taking the time to explain. I did new edit, putting references in parenthesis, as I couldn't figure it out how to use a template (I did spend a lot of time trying to learn - but I understand that what it is important is the I provide a reliable source. Some editors have been using Yad Vashem website, whom I was told by an editor at Wikipedia is partisan. I am using references from books mentioned in your list.

I care about integrity and neutrality on history of the Holocaust, which, sometimes is very politicized. [[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 00:31, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Courtesy notice ==

This is a courtesy notice to let you know I have posted at ANI to get further input on the [[:Balfour Declaration]] citation question. [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Balfour Declaration]]. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]] 🍁 ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 22:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

== LDR ==

Hey Justlettersandnumbers there seems to be a list defined reference error with ref name r|jsc in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacob_sheep&diff=779609025&oldid=779593337 this] edit. I can't look any further because the page is locked. Regards [[User:CV9933|CV9933]] ([[User talk:CV9933|talk]]) 11:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|CV9933}}! – my mistake, as so often. I've asked for it to be fixed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

==Louise Blouin==
Dear [[User:Justlettersandnumbers]], i noticed you just undid my edits on [[Louise Blouin]] Wiki article without a proper explanation why that information should not be there on [[Louise Blouin]] Wikipedia page. You explain one resource is not reliable, What about others? I also checked your history on this page. Most of the time you demotivate new users to contribute on Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 12:39, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
:The ''[[Daily Mail|Daily Fail]]'' is not a reliable source. If you look at the edit I made after that, you'll see that I did add back the ''Observer'' reference, with a little actual information from it. The tone of the actual text you added was not appropriate to an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if your edit is undone, please don't just make the same edit again, but instead start a discussion on the talk-page (if you wish). Your accusation of demotivation of new users is a serious one; if it has basis, you should certainly take it to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
::OK, Let the others decide. You are disrupting me to improving the article. To resolve the issue I am inviting {{ping|Montanabw}}, {{ping|Barek}}, {{ping|BOZ}}, {{ping|CactusWriter}}, {{ping|Canley}}, {{ping|DaGizza}}, {{ping|David Levy}}, {{ping|Daniel Case}}, {{ping|Deor}} and {{ping|Ealdgyth}}. In the meanwhile i undone your edits and mke it correct as you suggest by adding more references. [[Special:Contributions/122.160.30.242|122.160.30.242]] ([[User talk:122.160.30.242|talk]]) 10:45, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I have no idea why I was pinged on this, but here is my opinion as just another editor. As stated by Justlettersandnumbers, ''The Daily Mail'' is not a reliable source. And, IMO, neither was the small tabloid newspaper ''New York Observer''. Nor are self-submitted bios in the UN book or the Huffington Post. If the only information to be included is that Blouin was the CEO of Trader Classified Media than a single [[Bloomberg News]] [https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=511904&capId=22815753] citation should be sufficient. I note that "she led over 7,000 employees worldwide" is not mentioned in any source. — [[User:CactusWriter|CactusWriter ]][[User talk:CactusWriter|(talk)]] 00:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::: No clue why I was pinged either - but I don't do BLPs if I can avoid it, so someone else is a better judge. Nor am I Brit, so I really can't judge the Daily Mail. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:24, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Guys, it's a total mystery to me – the IP has added the same poor content 5 times now, I've just no idea why, nor how the pings were chosen. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Holocaust ... ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Henia_Perlman&diff=prev&oldid=780540472 Re: this edit], I'd change the system to the one I use for most of my articles if I thought I could get away with it. I find the system on [[Middle Ages]] much much much easier to deal with, but I swear that some folks on Wikipedia think that if it has a template, it HAS to be better. Don't ever even try to figure out [[WP:List defined references]], it'll explode your head. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Diligence'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for the help with the copyright violations on [[The Holocaust]], it's very much appreciated. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thanks, {{u|Ealdgyth}} – we got it done despite some hiccoughs, probably mostly thanks to your rather convincing examples on the talk-page. As for the reference format thing, I had to laugh – far from popping my head, LDR is to me the neatest and most straightforward system of all, my invariable choice when there is choice. Examples at ''[[Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni]]'' or [[Johannes Engel]], if your head can take the pressure. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 22:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Don Reitz ==
Can you please list your particular content concerns about this article on the talkpage so I may address them? I would like to address your concerns.  —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 03:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{re|Justlettersandnumbers}} I have moved this article to draft and resubmitted it to AfC. I implore you, beg you to name your concerns on the draft talkpage so I may fix them before the article is approved again as I am certain it will be. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 09:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

==Hand of God Article==

Hi, so I'm curious what information I posted that was copywrited? I can't see it on the History and I don't recall the specific edit. I'd like to know so I could avoid problems in the future. [[User:jlcoving|'''jlcoving''']] ([[User talk:jlcoving|talk]]) 21:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|jlcoving}}, I'm afraid I can't give you an exact answer to this, as – like you – I can't see the two edits you made to [[Hand of God (TV series)]]. But as far as I remember, you had added a bit of plot summary identical to what was on one of the websites listed on the talk-page (the editor after you then added a lot more). I think you'll have to ask an admin if you want more precise detail. In general, the advice is that everything you write in Wikipedia must be entirely in your own words – it's almost never OK to borrow text from other places. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== Cirque du Soleil - Volta ==
Hi Justlettersnadnumbers, I created the page for this Cirque du Soleil show, and it was rejected and deleted due to "copyright violations"... Could you further explain exactly what was the violation? I'm new and I don't know exactly what I did wrong. I used confirmed sources for all the material, and spent hours creating a page that was all of a sudden wiped; the show has now premiered and we have no page for it. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 18:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Estebanpirazo}}! I'm afraid I missed this message earlier, as it was at the top of this page instead of at the bottom. [[:Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]] was redirected and its history hidden because it contained material copied from elsewhere on the internet – we don't allow text copied from non-free sources here. There's a message about this on your talk-page, with the header [[User talk:Estebanpirazo#Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)|Copyright problem: Volta (Cirque du Soleil)]]. There's no objection to you restarting the page provided you are sure there's enough in-depth coverage of it in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]] – just go to the page, hit edit, remove all the text that's there and start writing. If you have questions, the [[WP:Teahouse|Teahouse]] is a good place to ask them, or you can ask here. Good luck! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

::Hi, {{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}, I contacted Cirque du Soleil directly regarding your comment about the material found on their webpage being copyrighted, and their answer is that the material on those pages is part of their press releases, and free to use if needed. I actually explained them what I used their information for, and they answered they have no problem with me using it in the creation of the Wikipedia page for the Cirque du Soleil show Volta. Please let me know how to proceed in this case, to reinstate the Wikipedia page I have created, and let me know if you need me to forward you the e-mail I received directly from them stating this material is free to use. The page I created also has several other references to independent material that are free to use for the creation of the Wikipedia page of this show. Thanks. [[User:Estebanpirazo|Estebanpirazo]] ([[User talk:Estebanpirazo|talk]]) 11:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

== May 2017 ==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] It appears that you have been '''[[WP:Canvassing|canvassing]]'''—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly notices|friendly notices]] are allowed, they should be '''limited''' and '''nonpartisan''' in distribution and should reflect a '''neutral''' point of view. Please do not post notices which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Excessive cross-posting|indiscriminately cross-posted]], which espouse a certain [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Campaigning|point of view]] or side of a debate, or which are [[Wikipedia:Canvassing#Votestacking|selectively sent]] only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. 

== May 2017 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit that you made to [[:Bonin Bough]] has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed because it was a misuse of a [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|warning or blocking template]]. Please use the [[User talk:Sandbox for user warnings|user warnings sandbox]] for any tests you may want to do, or take a look at our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|introduction page]] to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.

Actually, I have not reverted it. But [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABonin_Bough&type=revision&diff=780862569&oldid=779775374 this edit was inappropriate] for a COI that was properly declared: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=Janweh64&page=Bonin_Bough&server=enwiki&max= in the edit summary] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Janweh64&diff=prev&oldid=772229242 on my userpage]. —አቤል ዳዊት[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|?]][[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]]) 00:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

== {{tl|long dash}} ==

FYI {{u|Born2bgratis}} is now going around articles changing {{tl|long dash}} ({{long dash}}) to unicode 11835 (⸻) with predictable consequences. See for example [[Bede]] (which I've reverted), and the discussion on his [[User talk:Born2bgratis#Bede|talk page]]. Regards, [[User:Martin of Sheffield|Martin of Sheffield]] ([[User talk:Martin of Sheffield|talk]]) 11:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Willie J. Hagan]] ==

See [[Talk:Willie J. Hagan]]. [[User:X4n6|X4n6]] ([[User talk:X4n6|talk]]) 07:10, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

== Edit requests ==

Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your corrections of my edits. Please forgive me that I am not yet totally familiar with Wikipedia etiquette. But I am learning. I hope you'll find some time for edit requests I left on [[Talk:Jürgen_Schmidhuber]] and [[Talk:Felix_Gers]]. (BTW I can hardly believe the sheer number of your edits on so many different topics.) [[User:Slowfun|Slowfun]] ([[User talk:Slowfun|talk]]) 16:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

==You've got mail!==
{{you've got mail|subject=meta email - newspapers.com|ts=23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)}}
--[[User:Cameron11598|Cameron11598]] [[User Talk:Cameron11598|(Talk)]] 23:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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== Deletion of Monoranjan Roy ==

I could not find reasons for deletion. It just says its advertising. I did make the article in neutral manner without intent to advertise. I need to understand it to avoid deletion in future, can you help me understand the reason and provide me with the copy of deleted article.
[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 06:02, 27 May 2017 (UTC)ritz082
:{{u|Ritz082}}, I nominated that page for deletion because it appeared to be intended only to give publicity to a person that you apparently have a close (and also, apparently, undeclared) connection to – it was you that took [[:File:Monoranjan Roy.jpg|this picture of him]], was it not, as you claim on that page? I invite you read [[WP:PROMOTION]] and [[WP:PAID]]. I can't provide you with a copy of the page, but you can ask the admin who deleted it, {{u|Cryptic}}. In case you are thinking of re-creating it, may I also suggest that you read about [[WP:notability|notability]] – it is very unlikely that that person meets our criteria for inclusion in this encyclopaedia. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:53, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

[[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] Thank you for letting me know the reason. I did meet the person, but the idea was not promotion. I do feel that his name mention is required in wiki. I do want to re-create the article, and I have read [[WP:notability|notability]], but will do only when I am sure it is not going to be deleted / questioned again.[[User:Ritz082|Ritz082]] ([[User talk:Ritz082|talk]]) 09:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

==Thank you Justlettersandnumbers==
Thank you for the link.
I started to read them.
It's very challenging.[[User:Henia Perlman|Henia Perlman]] ([[User talk:Henia Perlman|talk]]) 06:06, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

== [[Giuseppe Pinelli]] ==
Giuseppe Pinelli wasn't killed (consequently, he wasn't victim of human rights abuses). Please, don't change the page. --[[Special:Contributions/151.65.128.21|151.65.128.21]] ([[User talk:151.65.128.21|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

== copywrite violation ==

kindly revert my talk page back to a time BEFORE you gave me a warning

the article you reverted is currently in the process of being edited, and it is being CHECKED for copywrite here constantly https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0 and by ANOTHER ADMIN

you have now not only gotten in the way of this process but have warned me about copywrite for NO REASON

~ T. Spike ~|✉ 16:37, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Tony Spike}}, you can remove a warning from your talk-page if you want to. It might be an idea to take some notice of it first, though. As you can see [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Novar+plc&oldid=784689283&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.referenceforbusiness.com%2Fhistory2%2F96%2FCaradon-plc.html%29 here], the text you added was unacceptably close to the source, and you've already been warned about this. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:48, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

::{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}}yeah well i have already removed everything from my talk page and left a note their explaining what is happening ...i may have already been warned about it but it makes no difference to me weather i have been warned already or not since im still trying to sort the problem out

::besides the only reason this is happening in the first place is because the company names remain the same between the two articles, anyone who actually bothered to look at that fact before removing it would notice and i will challenge anyone that thinks otherwise

::now ....goodbye

::~ T. Spike ~|✉ 17:00, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

== Francesco Clemente ==

HI, You suggested changes to [[Francesco Clemente]] I replied to you on my talk page also. Please read. Please guide me what to do next, I spent a lot of time in fixing article and I read and researched a lot to fix this one and adding info. I was totally unaware of those two links as being flagged for copyright violation. Please guide me, should I remove those 2 and republish the changes? [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 15:51, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|HeatherMPinchbeck}}, I suggest you post on the talk-page of the article. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I made all the changes and even checked it thoroughly, please let me know should I publish it again? I made myself clear about any COI on my talk page again and again and if you don't want me to fix articles I'll not in the future, I told you that it was a random selection as I always try to fix articles with banners. So I spent a lot of time on this article and researched a lot, I don't want it wasted. Please, let me know, Thanks. [[User:HeatherMPinchbeck|HeatherMPinchbeck]] ([[User talk:HeatherMPinchbeck|talk]]) 04:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

== Bonin Bough - Question ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I wanted to reach out as you've rejected the entry for Bonin Bough a few times now. I'm just curious as to what more is needed - as Bonin is one of the most awarded executives in marketing and one of the youngest C-level executives in the world (no puffery here :) And has been INDUCTED into the Advertising Hall of Fame. Just wondering how a person who used to be a doorman at a NY bar has a Wikipedia page, but Bonin is not considered notable enough? There is a ton more reliable press out there on Bonin so is it just a case of adding those? Please let me know.

Thanks!

Sofia
:Sofia, please see the reasons I left at [[Draft:Bonin Bough]] when I declined it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

== Undone edit for GNA University ==

Dear User, This content is written for GNA University, and the section you re deleting consists departments of GNA University which i think is an important information of university. Kindly take this into serious consideration.

[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna|talk]]) 09:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)Manik.sarna
:Thank you for declaring your [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]], {{u|Manik.sarna}}. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I am a freelance photographer and stay in same area where GNA University and Lovely professional university is located. So i am updating the information which i gathered about these institutes. These are very basic infos which donot even promote any of them. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 
:[[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] - Sorry, but adding content to articles citing your personal knowledge, experience, or relationships with others constitutes [[WP:NOR|original research]], which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Content that's added to articles must either be ''attributable'' to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], or ''[[WP:CITE|directly attributed]]'' to a reliable source. I highly recommend that you review these policies and guidelines, as they're very important to understand and follow. If you have any questions regarding them, please let one of us know. Cheers -- [[User:Oshwah|~Oshwah~]][[User_talk:Oshwah|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|(contribs)]] 10:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Oshwah for explaining this. I would certainly edit the points mentioned by you. Can i put the names of Different Faculties/departments in the GNA University page? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manik.sarna|Manik.sarna]] ([[User talk:Manik.sarna#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manik.sarna|contribs]]) 10:14, 20 June 2017 (UTC) 

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]] ==
Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Mark Gottlieb (Literary Agent)]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''claims significance, representing multiple notable authors indicates significance as well. Use [[WP:AFD]] instead.''' Thank you. '''[[User:SoWhy|So]][[User talk:SoWhy|Why]]''' 14:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
:OK. It seems you and {{u|Bbb23}}, who [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Mark+Gottlieb+%28Literary+Agent%29&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype= deleted it for the same reason last night], don't quite agree in the interpretation of that criterion. Oh, well, AfD it is. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 14:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
::It would be a boring world if administrators agreed on everything.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks a bunch! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hey! Thanks a lot for explaining me on the references. It helps out a lot. Thanks again buddy! [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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Side Note: I felt the second version of the barnstar (the one I gave) better than the first; however, if you like the first one, I would change it to the first. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 20:22, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you, {{u|Adityavagarwal}}! As I said, if you have more questions, ask away (better there than here, but either is fine)! Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

Hi! Thanks a bunch for your inputs on [[Mallard]]. {{p|:)}} Yep, Peking duck relates to the domestic duck (which is in fact a descendant of the mallard). Earlier, that section of food was not present, when in [[Talk:Mallard/GA1]], there were suggestions to add the food section with ''canard a l'orange'', etc. So, I added them. [[User:Adityavagarwal|Adityavagarwal]] ([[User talk:Adityavagarwal|talk]]) 18:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

== Simon Philby ==

Hi there,

RE: [[Simon Philby]], there is no conflict of interest present. I am simply creating the wikipedia page on behalf of Mr Philby's team as a free copywrite.

I agree that my citations need to be improved, however this is my first full article so this has been a wikipedia learning curve.

However I ask that the COI tags be please removed.

regards,

[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)jacka1993[[User:Jacka1993|Jacka1993]] ([[User talk:Jacka1993|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest so very clearly, {{u|Jacka1993}} – obviously, if you are writing a page for him you have a COI. I had already seen what you wrote [[:File:Simon James Philby Photo 1.jpg|here]], "Personal image of Simon Philby, provided by Mr Philby himself for a biography wikipedia page that I am writing for him". So really the only remaining question is whether you are being paid for your work on this and pages such as [[Leslie Benzies]] ("{{diff|User talk:Rhain|prev|765249291|Hi there, I am contacting you on behalf of a client who is working on behalf of Leslie Benzies}}"). If so, please immediately make the necessary [[Wikipedia:paid-contribution disclosure|paid-contribution disclosure]]s. Thank you, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive copy-editing of "Reeves's muntjac" page ==

I noticed you deleted a lot of valid data of "Reeves's muntjac" with your "copy-editing". Please wait while i revert your edit and re-do it properly.[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 06:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

finished for now[[User:Trurle|Trurle]] ([[User talk:Trurle|talk]]) 07:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for the "disruptive", {{u|Trurle}}. My only {{diff|Reeves's muntjac|780142961|780058535|edit}} to [[Reeves's muntjac]] was to remove some poorly-referenced and ill-written content you had added (please read [[WP:BURDEN]]). I don't see that your recent additions are much better, but they certainly aren't the only problem that article has. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== Please see ANI ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.  Hello Justlettersandnumbers , I mentioned you at ANI. Section is [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Magioladitis_high_speed_editing]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|xaosflux]] [[User talk:Xaosflux|Talk]] 11:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

== Disruptive Erasing on "Margareta Boivin" page==

Just to clarify your job as an editor of Wikipedea is to help people edit their content for publishing, and not to delete content that has not been published yet. Please use your due-diligence by putting my content back promptly and making it available for me to further edit it.--[[User:Sebastienb06|Sebastienb06]] ([[User talk:Sebastienb06|talk]]) 04:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Thank you for the "disruptive", {{u|Sebastienb06}}, first one this month. Thank you also for your definition of my job here – I'd been wondering about that, labouring under the misapprehension that I was a volunteer.
:The content you'd added to [[Draft:Margareta Boivin]] was removed as a [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]] of [http://www.mboivin-art.com/?q=mb-biography her website]. You can read it there, but you may not copy it into Wikipedia. It is anyway entirely unsuitable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia. Oh, and if you have some personal or professional connection to Boivin, you have [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] (please follow the blue link to read about that). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

== DAD-IS for USA ==

The DAD-IS list is absolute garbage for US horses and should not be used as a source for any American-based breed. [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=c2b8d2714d8f962a2a15612562a95626,reportsreport12_50000120_50000045 Breeds reported by United States of America: Horse]. I mean, seriously, it includes non-American-originating breeds like the Akhal-Teke, but not the Arabian; it includes something called the "Moroccan Spotted" that I've never heard of, (nor the "Kanata pony") and its attempts to document "American" breeds are absurd, there is no such thing as a "Wild" Mustang (as Mustangs are feral) and a [[broomtail]] is a low-quality horse, not a breed. A [[Cayuse]] is a bit more ambivalent, but if there is such a breed, it's actually a western Canadian landrace. So whoever compiled this particular list was an idiot. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 10:24, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that, and I'm happy to take your word for it. But the [[National Animal Germplasm Program]] of the [[Agricultural Research Service]] of the [[US Department of Agriculture]] is clearly a reliable source by our standards, so what it reports to [[DAD-IS]] is presumably the same. Where did I cite it, I can't recall? – I do mostly try to avoid doing so, out of deference to your views. On the other hand, Germany reports with extreme (actually, almost excessive) care; I don't understand why you've removed that reference from Gypsy Horse? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:10, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
::OK, got it, it was [[American Drum Horse]]. The list must surely be reliable for a statement that this breed is not included in it? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:43, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::The German link was tossed because all it was for was the statement that "Tinker Horse" is a breed name, when the same thing is repeated in the next sentence with breed association links. So, it's not a moral issue (other than the word being a racial slur) but it was duplicative. If you want to restore it, well, I find it annoying, but only a single mosquito-level of annoying. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Collapse|1=As for the DAD-IS on the Drum Horse article, stating the negative is irrelevant -- US government doesn't officially recognize or license breeds they way they do in Europe anyway. (This may not be a plus for the quality of our horses, but it's reality. All free enterprise here. ''Caveat emptor''.) Also remember that the USA also is not good about playing with the United Nations in general, so these UN programs are often ignored in the US with the minimal effort possible put forth. It is perhaps simpler in Europe, where people apparently have a lot more trust in governmental agencies and international organizations. Kudos to Germany. (heck, the Germans are rockstars -- [[Angela Merkel]] is becoming my new political hero these days too: [http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/08/angela_merkel_becomes_the_star_of_g20_with_epic_eye_roll_at_putin.html] ). ;-) [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

:::But for the US DAD-IS list in general, you don't have to take my word for it, you know enough about breeding and genetics to see how bad the USA list at DAD-IS is for yourself. I have to rant, though. The 40-some breeds listed are not all of the breeds present in the USA and the list is pretty random, with no clear criterion for inclusion -- they aren't listed on account of being either rare or common (the QH and Morgan are very popular; the Cracker horse is rare), or for being American-developed (The AK and the Clydesdale are listed, the Standardbred is not) or anything else. I see some breed pages reference a 1993 FAO breed survey, who knows... it could go back to some list done up around in 1950. They also have some totally horse-ignorant WTF content, such as saying the Missouri Fox Trotter is "usually brownish-orange" ([http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009005 yes, they really did]) or do absurd things like listing the "Palomino" as a breed (see [http://dad.fao.org/cgi-bin/EfabisWeb.cgi?sid=4cb6a73f2563b505c456e56850097470,reportsreport8a_50009009 here]) when it is genetically impossible to fix the color as a breed trait... Palomino is an incomplete dominant There is a Palomino color breed registry, but it admits all breeds based only on observed color, including at least one flaxen chestnut purebred Arab. (A good rant on that [http://tackytackoftheday.blogspot.com/2010/11/arabians-do-not-come-in-buckskin-or.html here]) The DAD-IS also lists Assateague and Chicoteague horses both, even though they live on the same island and are the same breed (a state line crosses the Island, that's the only difference, it's political not genetic). And I doubt it reflects a true genetic bank: I doubt they have germplasm from a "broomtail", because there is no such thing -- and the "Conestoga" (also questionable as to if a breed or a type) definitely was not extant into the era of DNA sampling. In short, the issues of rare breed preservation and conservation breeding are separate from the issues of developing new commercially-viable breeds and the government is not involved with either one. Thus, my conclusion that the DAD-IS list is next to useless for the USA other than, maybe, the info available nowhere else (say, if we do a Conestoga horse article). But review for yourself... have you ever heard of a "Moroccan Spotted"...? new one for me… |2=rather long rant|bg=#F0F0F0}}[[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 23:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I know you think that. [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#DAD-IS]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 06:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Mass Deletion in [[Aurochs]] ==
Sorry sir, I just edit some in [[Aurochs]] but I don't know that I suddenly delete so much characters and save. I'm so sorry sir for anything what I've done. [[User:Jaspergeli|Jaspergeli]] ([[User talk:Jaspergeli|talk]]) 02:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:We all make mistakes, {{u|Jaspergeli}}, but not all are as easy to fix as this one was. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 07:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== suspected of sock puppetry ==

very sorry for any of my mistake. password of my previous account was lost. so I have to register another account. my previous account is not in any use.I am not using another account. I hope you will understand my situation.please do me a favor to understand my problem. I request you to take back deletion request.I am new at Wikipedia facing many problems help me to be editor like you.sorry for my poor English — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal]] ([[User talk:Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal|contribs]]) 14:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhaldhadhal}}, if by "my previous account" you mean {{u|Aniruddhbhaidhadhal}}, it really doesn't matter whether you've lost the password or not, as you are indefinitely blocked for misuse of more than one account – misuse which it appears may be continuing. If that's not who you are, you can make your case at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kjp007]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

== Contributions to Janet Echelman ==

Hello, Justlettersandnumbers,
I am writing to you here to discuss your conflict of interest citing to multiple of my edits on Janet Echelman's page and her related pages. All information on the pages that I added is information that can be obtained by reading her website, press about her works, and related websites like unnumberedsparks.com. I am not a paid employee for Janet Echelman and am concerned by all of the reversion that has been done to my edits.
Thanks, [[User:Artisteditorial|Artisteditorial]] ([[User talk:Artisteditorial|talk]]) 15:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

== Ping ==

Pinged you at Yanardag talk, but I had a typo and it didn't send. Ongoing discussion and more source content. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 05:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Unwarranted Deletions ==

Hello. I am one of the primary editors on the [[VCU School of the Arts]] page. I saw that you removed quite a bit of text from the article yesterday, but many of your edits seem ill-informed. You claim that the persons listed under "Alumni" have no sources to support their attendance at VCUarts. However, the Wikipedia entries for [[Diana al-Hadid]], [[Sam Beam]], [[Tara Donovan]], [[Teresita Fernández]], [[GWAR]], [[Jason Butler Harner]], [[Donwan Harrell]], [[Michael Hearst]], [[Sterling Hundley]], [[Zachary Knighton]], [[Philip B. Meggs]], [[Wiley Miller]], [[Steve Segal]], [[Carol Sutton (artist)|Carol Sutton]], [[Alice Tangerini]], [[Phil Trumbo]], and [[Mike Wieringo]] all mention Virginia Commonwealth University as their alma mater. In fact, the Sam Beam source that you explicitly claim bears "no mention of this school" ([[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2007/09/iron-wine.html Paste Magazine]]) in fact does so quite plainly. "With a BFA from Virginia Commonwealth..." begins the third paragraph; a Bachelor of Fine Arts is only obtainable as a studio arts student. Beam has also spoken in interviews about painting his own album covers, which I would be happy to cite as well.

I'm curious to know why you did not check the corresponding articles. If it was a matter of sourcing, the citations could have been borrowed from each person's respective article. Though many of these individuals' pages are poorly written, I don't suppose it is my duty to touch up every page linked across a single article. You also left a single link to [[List of Virginia Commonwealth University alumni]] lingering after you deleted the VCUarts list, despite ''its'' lack of sources.

Admittedly, checking back I've noticed that some of the individuals I included are alumni of the university and not the school specifically; I can remove their names from a future list. Nevertheless, practicing slash-and-burn across whole swaths of text contributes little to the improvement of an article. It would have been far more helpful for you to check the corresponding pages, verify the sources, and introduce them into the existing text. I have noticed on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=VCU_School_of_the_Arts&action=history history page] that I am the only editor to make significant positive contributions to [[VCU School of the Arts]] since May. I understand that my editing career on the encyclopedia is far less illustrious than most, and I certainly am not asking for lenience or leeway, but collaboration would be welcome.

Furthermore, your assertion that "Wikipedia is built on independent reliable sources and cares little or nothing what people or bodies say about themselves" is just plain silly. Wikipedia editors regularly employ direct, primary, and reflexive sources to describe a copywritten entity, organization, business, or other collective or private body. The [[featured article]] [[Homer Simpson]] cites DVD commentary via the character's creator; the page for [[Harvard University]] cites Harvard's official website and fact sheets ''throughout''; [[Yale University|Yale]], [[University of Oxford|Oxford]], [[University of Virginia|UVA]], [[Museum of Modern Art|MoMA]], and [[Louvre]] all cite official websites and communications to support the same information that you claim is unsuitable for primary sources. Standards and guidelines without precedent is mere platitude.

I am writing this not as a reprimand or to instigate an argument. You are clearly an accomplished editor who feels strongly about this website and your role in making it the best that it can be. But I do mean to impress upon you that I would like to build this article into something more in-line with the standards of Wikipedia—and I cannot do that alone. Deletion without consideration of how the text could be improved only sets the entire page back. [[User:Doopliss77|Doopliss77]] ([[User talk:Doopliss77|talk]]) 18:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your recent edit ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pazzi_family&curid=215624&diff=791288392&oldid=791286589 This] is just rude. Please read [[WP:BITE]] and [[WP:CIVIL]].

Not only was it downright bad manners, you're also incorrect. Medieval is a legitimate spelling in many parts of the world and is widely accepted on Wikipedia. See our article [[Middle_Ages#Terminology_and_periodisation]]. Oh and [[WP:ENGVAR]]. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]] 09:58, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:Well, er, yes, exactly – [[WP:ENGVAR]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== [[Mayuto Correa]] ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. Thanks for keeping an eye on this. I presume you saw the utter dog's dinner the editor in question had made previously in expanding the discography. Took me nearly an hour to clean it up yesterday. Having said that, I restored his latest edits as they simply put the discography in chrono order, which is actually a help and the work added checks out. '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive242#Mayuto_Correa Here's]''' the rather messy background to this article and its COI editors, who may or may not be the same person. Grrrrrr. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 11:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:You've done all the work there, {{u|Voceditenore}}, so all thanks to you. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

== Draft:Mark T. Johnston ==

I wasn't sure how the system works at Wikipedia so I created my article after fixing an error in the James E. Avant article then by using the many existing articles with stubs I found at [[:Category:American horse racing biography stubs]] as a guideline. There are numerous of them that have less info/citations than mine. Here is a list of a few. Should I move these to a DRAFT page for editing improvement?

Thank you for your help.

[[James E. Avant]] 
[[Frank "Buddy" Abadie]] 
[[Whitey Abel]] 
[[Menotti Aristone]] 
[[Patricia Cooksey]] 
[[Bill Cubbedge]] 
[[Cam Gambolati]] 
[[Edwin J. Gregson]] 
[[George Martens (jockey)]] 
[[Robert H. Tourtelot]] 
[[Marion Van Berg]] 
[[Ian Wilkes]]

== Expand template reverts ==

Am getting a lot of "already reverted" warnings in trying to do "June 10" which I have checked out. Can you please use {{tl|Checking}} on whatever date you want to do, so we don't duplicate effort? Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:04, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

:I've abandoned June 10 for too many "already reverted" (but not every single one; are you jumping around in the list?) Anyway, I'll pick another date, you can complete [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=1000&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Ettrig&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=2017-06-10&end=2017-06-10 June 10] at your leisure. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 00:17, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

== COIN ==

FYI: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Janet Echelman]] — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 00:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Case opened ==

You were recently listed as a party to or recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2]]. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Evidence]]. '''Please add your evidence by August 6, 2017, which is when the evidence phase closes.''' You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Maglioladitis 2/Workshop]]. For a guide to the arbitration process, see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration]]. For the Arbitration Committee, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''Mini''''']][[User_talk:Miniapolis|'''''apolis''''']] 17:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated for [[WP:GA|GA]]-status according to the [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]]. [[Image:Time2wait.svg|20px]] This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[Johannes Engel]]==
The article [[Johannes Engel]] you nominated as a [[Wikipedia:Good article nominations|good article]] has failed [[Image:Symbol oppose vote.svg|20px]]; see [[Talk:Johannes Engel]] for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article.  Message delivered by [[User:Legobot|Legobot]], on behalf of [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] -- [[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 02:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

== Heiner Thiel in collection of Scottdale's museum ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i emailed the museum and got the confirmation that they do have a work of Heiner Thiel in their collection. Quote: "We do have a sculpture by Heiner Thiel in our collection and I have attached a photo for you to see. It is “Untitled” and measures 36 inches high x 33 inches wide x 5 inches deep, and is made of aluminum. We do not have our collection available online yet, but are working on adding it to our website." - These info come from the Registrar of the museum. - Question: is this enough to verify the fact and could i add thus this to the site or is this still insuffient? Please let me know, what you think. Thanks. --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 19:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|Gyanda}}, Wikipedia is built on what is reported in [[WP:RS|independent reliable sources]]. Unlike in the academic world, where this kind of personal communication is common and is regarded as fully reliable, here if there isn't a reliable '''published''' source for the information we don't include it in our pages. So I think it's better to leave it out for now. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your help. I rest my case. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 13:12, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Your edits to Native Art Department International ==

First you move the article into a draft space telling me there aren't enough references even though barely 24 hours have passed and I'm [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:A21sauce years more experienced as an editor] than you. Then you get pissy when I simply revert your changes when I have more than enough references and decide you don't like the article anyway. Wikipedia is fun, but it's no place to use as a cudgel for your own cultural bias and inexperience. Both Maria Hupfield and Jason Lujan have shown extensively as artists--you can look that up yourself quite easily. Stop enacting the [[white supremacy]] that is ruining the world right now. thanks--[[User:A21sauce|A21sauce]] ([[User talk:A21sauce|talk]]) 02:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:A21sauce, you need to read or reread wikipedia's rules on [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] and [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]]. I've worked with JLAN for a number of years and collaborated on dozens of articles. This editor is experienced and has a passion for high quality (along with a sharp tongue and no sufferance for fools). I've had my disagreements with JLAN over the years over issues related to a European-based viewpoint, but your accusations of "inexperience" and "white supremacy" are completely uncalled for. It was rightly pointed out to you that the ''quality'' of your edits is the issue. As an experienced editor yourself, you should know better than to make such broad-based, ''ad hominem'' attacks. I've been a member of [[WP:IPNA]] for a number of years and I have not ever witnessed JLAN expressing bias against Native American people or any other ethnic group; if anything, this is an editor with a strong interest in other cultures. Now, please either find more sources to establish that the topic is notable and not merely a PR piece, or move the article to draft space or a user sandbox until it is ready for prime time. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 06:32, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|A21sauce}}, however experienced you believe you are, you created [[Native Art Department International|a poorly-referenced BLP article]] which did not adequately demonstrate the notability of the subject. I moved it to draft space so that you could develop it at your leisure, but you chose to undo that. Now the community [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Native Art Department International|will decide whether it should be kept]]. If the topic is notable you need only to add the sources which demonstrate that notability – as you could easily have done when you created the page. By the way, how is [[Akiko Nagashima]] notable? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:10, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::(AFD stalker..) I thought this was a good nomination. The 'organization' just isn't notable.[[Special:Contributions/104.163.142.4|104.163.142.4]] ([[User talk:104.163.142.4|talk]]) 08:08, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== A beer for you ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Mr.justlettersandnumbers, thanks for the observation, a friend of mine was responsible for searching and adding the links, he ended up just pointing to wikipedia for every other link after a few ones and ended up adding a slash('/') to an '.html' page, which was really our main source of reference. Thanks Again. [[User:Surge10|Surge10]] ([[User talk:Surge10|talk]]) 12:42, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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== [[Tawag ng Tanghalan (season 2)]] ==

Hey, please bring back my article. The season's semi finals just started today so 1 source can be found. I'm about to put the source when you delete the page. It's already there on the draft page and I've submitted it for review. Thanks. [[User:Leo kingston|Leo kingston]] ([[User talk:Leo kingston|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

== [[James D. Spaniolo]] ==

Many thanks. I'll work on it some more. - Kent [[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 14:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Added a number of references to this article to substantiate material presented and have submitted today. Thanks for your review. ([[User:Kllwiki|Kllwiki]] ([[User talk:Kllwiki|talk]]) 15:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC))

== Kawina Surinamese music ==

Fair enough you moved it to draft - but the English language version of Wikipedia needed an ambiguous template for 'kawina'
What I wrote on Kawina is factually correct and I don't have time to put more energy in it. Your choice either you leave it for someone else to add info to or you just let it rot away in the draft space ;-) [[User:Rdeman|Rdeman]] ([[User talk:Rdeman|talk]]) 01:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
:Really it's your choice, {{u|Rdeman}} – in general it's [[WP:BURDEN|up to the person who adds the content]] to make sure it is supported by suitable reliable sources. Unfortunately we already have many, many thousands of poorly-referenced articles, and I for one don't want that number to increase. The genre seems to be just barely notable by our standards, so we should perhaps have an article on it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== Copyright violations ==

Hello talk:Justlettersandnumbers,

Are you still involved with copyright violations? If so, I stumbled upon [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|this article]]. It appears that there's some serious copyright violations, especially in the "The attack" section. What do you suggest we do from here? [[User:EtienneDolet|Étienne Dolet]] ([[User talk:EtienneDolet|talk]]) 08:29, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|EtienneDolet}}! I'm actually taking a bit of a break from [[WP:CP]] at the moment, but I looked at [[May 24, 1993 PKK ambush]]. I'm not immediately seeing any problem; the attack paragraph started out like {{oldid|May 24, 1993 PKK ambush|420528332|this}} in 2011, and has evolved naturally since then. No serious copying jumps to my eye (OK, "33 soldiers and 5 civilians" could have been rephrased). Have I missed something obvious? What do you see that is troubling you? From what source? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 10:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

== 13:59:37, 8 August 2017 review of submission by IssaDeK ==
{{Lafc|username=IssaDeK|ts=13:59:37, 8 August 2017|declined=Draft:Richard_Hirschbaeck}}

Dear Justlettersandnumbers. Thank you for your review and helpful comments on the Richard Hirschbaeck artist page. I am at the moment trying to improve the page based on your suggestions. I am an administor of the Richard Hirschbaeck estate, but I wished to make the article as my own contribution to the work of Richard Hirschbaeck. I am trying to attain more independent sources for the writing, to write in a more neutral tone and not reference the website itself too much. I have permission from the copyright owners of the estate to use material and excerpts from the website, therefor, the copyright has not been violated. As for the "notability", it is a case which is, I guess, hard to argue. I will cite as many independent sources as possible, and I would like to note that an entry in the German National Library does imply by itself notability, where Hirschbaeck is mentioned. Any other guides would be very helpful. Best regards.

Hi! Why did you delete my edit? I think it was an important edit, and I feel that when we work together and do not judge, it helps. Besides, it was a good edit. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.193.80.5|206.193.80.5]] ([[User talk:206.193.80.5#top|talk]]) 12:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC) 

== Colette Mazzucelli ==

Thanks for your help on [[Draft:Colette Mazzucelli]]. I am an OTRS volunteer who has been in contact with the subject about 'her' article. I restored it to draft space because I suspect that the 30 kilobytes removed from the article history (due to undisclosed paid editing by a blocked sockpuppet of someone who advertises Wikipedia editing services on LinkedIn) may actually have some content in it that demonstrates notability of the subject. The article was deleted for lack of notability some time after that content had been removed. I have also pointed out [[WP:NACADEMIC]] to Dr Mazzucelli, who assured me that she and her colleagues will make every effort to comply with that and other applicable guidelines in getting her article up to Wikipedia standards before submitting it for review.

I'd appreciate if you kept an eye on it, and also appreciate any improvements you care to make. If you believe the subject is notable and will survive another AFD round, feel free to move it back to main space. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

:Oh, I see you're an OTRS volunteer also. If you want the background for proper context, please see {{OTRS ticket|9391458|2016082710007096}}. It's an old ticket from a year ago, and I took it over on 22 July this year. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] ([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]]) 22:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Anachronist}} – I've been aware of this for a while. Personally, I don't see the notability, but I'm prepared to be convinced. I note with amusement that [[Special:Contributions/SamsonFerenc|her pet cat]] is now editing the page. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Hathorn ==

See the goings-on at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Van Thyn]] during the last few minutes. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 12:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I have just rewritten [[Thomas Hal Phillips]], which is on the [[Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/20110727_12|CCI list]]. I'm am utterly bamboozled regarding what I am supposed to do in order to indicate that the article is now effectively new. Do you have any idea? - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 18:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
: I've marked it as cleaned. You can use {{tlsx|CPC|c}}. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] ([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]]) 19:33, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
::OK, thanks very much for that. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 19:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} Yep, though it may not be the best or only way to do it. Taking stuff out of order: '''after''' you are sure the page is clean, the steps are:
:::* add <nowiki>{{subst:cclean|url= url, including "http://" |CCI= SomeUser }}</nowiki> to the talk page; if you didn't identify any specific copyvio and just presumptively removed all his text, just leave the url blank; SomeUser is just the CCI name, so here 20110727
:::* if you did identify a specific copyvio, use {{tl|copyvio-revdel}} (on the article) to ask for all revisions containing it to be hidden
:::* go to the CCI, edit the section; delete everything after the first colon (all the diffs), and add a {{tl|y}}, {{tl|?}} or {{tl|n}} depending on what you found, perhaps with a word or two of explanation ("cleaned", "rewritten", "presumptively removed", etc) and sign

:::For what it's worth, what I do to be sure the page really is clean is:
:::* if it's an obvious copyvio, make a note of where from; but if it's not obvious, waste no time searching for a source and just presumptively remove instead, which a CCI specifically allows us to do; in either case:
:::* if he created it, remove all running text, save, then start the rewrite
:::* If he added stuff later, either revert to the preceding version or completely remove the bit(s) he added, save, rewrite
:::All this may seem like a lot of bureaucracy, but in the end it's the rewriting that takes the time.

:::Oh, another thing you can do instead of taking them to AfD is blank them and list them at [[WP:CP]], where they are liable for speedy deletion after seven days unless a viable rewrite has been proposed in the interim. You probably know all this, of course. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, i don't know what is happening. Everything i write for the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel is verified and correct.
What am i doing wrong and why are you not accepting this?
please let me know how to move forward and what i;m doing wrong as i really do not understand. Everything i have written is factual and with links to appropriate places.
your help and explanation would be appreciated,
thank you
denis — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:35, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 

== PAD!ES ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Piel
re this site. i make changes that are all verified and don't understand what i'm doing wrong that whatever is up gets taken down. and incomplete information is put up.
why is this and what can i do to make the changes that are all verified with links to prove correct to make them permanent?
thank you for your help and please explain why you are taking these down and what i need to do. Curiously enough all of this was up for a very long time until you saw problems.
please explain and help me understand what i need to do to have this corrected.
thanks
ideas person — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ideasperson|Ideasperson]] ([[User talk:Ideasperson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ideasperson|contribs]]) 17:42, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Ideasperson}}, I left the edit summary "Rm a mas[s] of unreferenced stuff, including copyvio from http://chateaudepadies.wordpress.com/about/". Content you add to Wikipedia must be [[WP:verifiable|verifiable]] by reference to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], and must not be [[WP:COPYVIO|copied]] from other published material such as books or websites. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Marawi - citations needed ==

Hi, I'd appreciate if you specified what was the problem with citations in that article instead of just adding a refimprove template. [[User:Alaexis|Alaexis]][[User_talk:Alaexis|¿question?]] 04:33, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Alaexis}}, there was no problem with the citations as such, but for a cultivar with hundreds of years of history there are surely better sources than a couple of newspaper articles – reference works on viticulture and oenology, for example. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
== Draftify log ==

I have had a chat with Evad37, and at my request he modified the [[User:Evad37/MoveToDraft]] tool to add a 'Draftify log' functionality similar to the CSD log functionality of twinkle. I know that you are a regular user of the tool and thought that you might like to know as it seems like a useful way to keep track of draftifications afterward. All you need to do to activate the tool is to create a page at [[User:Justlettersandnumbers/Draftify log]]. Cheers and keep up the good work. — '''''[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|InsertCleverPhraseHere]] ([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])''''' 06:08, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Insertcleverphrasehere}}, that seems to be a good idea. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Edit on ''Blockbuster LLC'' ==

Hello, you recently reverted my edit on [[Blockbuster LLC]] on the basis of Spam. I added The Blockbuster Fan Page as an external link, because they track the open franchise-owned Blockbuster stores. I don't completely know all of Wikipedia's rules, so I'd like for you to explain why the edit was removed. -[[User:KevinTheGuy|KevinTheGuy]] ([[User talk:KevinTheGuy|talk]]) 22:23, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:Sorry, {{u|KevinTheGuy}}, that wasn't a good choice of edit summary on my part – I'd have done better to cite [[WP:NOTLINK]]. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:09, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

== Interdisciplinary Design for the Built Environment ==

I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia, and perhaps not fully familiar with all its conventions. But I am struggling a bit to understand the justification for peremptorily merging/redirecting this page. By comparison, why does the page you created: '''Young Man with a Horn (Miles Davis album)''' have its own page? Does it have more visibly independently-sourced content? Why is it not simply merged into the general Miles Davis page? I've always thought the whole point about html was that you could have a series of independent pages with, crucially, links to follow up whatever was of interest making it possible to navigate and follow up anything you wanted. If things are all merged together, that becomes a whole lot more difficult. Very disappointed. [[User:Torino-Topolino|Torino-Topolino]] ([[User talk:Torino-Topolino|talk]]) 16:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

== Clarifying [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] ==

Hello. Your comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chinese_Academy_of_Sciences&diff=prev&oldid=799626965 here] made me think that an RfC at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]] intended to clarify whether [[Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources]] should apply to more than just primary sources would be a good idea. Let me know if you want to contribute to its wording. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 10:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for this, {{u|Cordless Larry}}; in an ideal world I'd say "yes, of course that needs to be done". In this less-than-perfect one, I see broad scope for extended discussion leading to an inconclusive result. Sorry, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:08, 18 September 2017 (UTC) P.S. let me know if you do start it, though.
::Well, it's not an RfC (yet), but I did start a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Does/should WP:NOFULLTEXT apply to more than just primary sources?]] and your comments would be welcome. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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:That's a very charming prosimian, {{u|Fuhghettaboutit}}, I'm delighted to receive it, thank you! I often notice with pleasure your clear and accurate explanations of copyright policy. We seem to be steadily sinking under the weight of copyvio (though probably less rapidly than we are under the weight of paid/COI editing). If you have any thoughts on how and where an attempt might be started to make some impression the [[WP:CCI]] backlog (78000 pages last time I looked), I'd be interested to hear/discuss them – even the CCI request process is backlogged. Meanwhile, I thought I'd have a go at the much smaller list oustanding at [[WP:CP]]. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 15:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks Justlettersandnumbers! I would have responded sooner but I've barely been on the past few days (issues in RL). You're echoing my feeling, especially of late—of the extent of the mountain we face. I actually [[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit#Junopolo|wrote a post expressing similar sentiment (pessimism)]] (mostly about paid editing) just by coincidence about a half hour before your post above. Would that a knew what to do. I see no way that any of it can be tackled without ''many'' new editors, both willing to do thankless work, and capable. Of course, in the short term, on the specific issue of CCI, there's always a drive of some sort, maybe set up as a competition, with virtual awards to be given, prefaced by a training page? Maybe the fact that the ACTRIAL trial is running has freed up some hands to put to use more than usual? Just thinking out loud. But if you think that nascent, half-formed idea has any currency, I'd be happy to try to collaborate. Of course, though I do a lot of copyright work, I do little on the CCI backlog end of matters. I believe copyright work is vital, but that area of it I must tell you I find mmm... numbing, despite knowing its importance.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 03:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Thinking about anything I could do to lessen the load, I noticed that {{tl|db-g12}} instructs admin to list at WP:CP if they decline the tagging, rather than providing any nudge to clean up remaining copyright problems themselves, if willing and able. So, I've made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Db-g12&diff=prev&oldid=801881682 this edit], linking admins to the copyright violations section I wrote at [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol]].--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 14:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
: Randomly dropping by to express my appreciation for your copyright violation work too! [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]][[User_talk:Alex Shih|Talk]] 15:24, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== BVIS ==

Hello. I was just perusing your RFPP request. It seems there is [[British Vietnamese International School|BVIS Ho Chi Minh City]], then [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/en/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bvis BVIS Hanoi], then additionally a [http://www.nordangliaeducation.com/our-schools/vietnam/hanoi/bis BIS Hanoi]. Actually there's also a [[British International School Ho Chi Minh City|BIS Ho Chi Minh City]]. I'm sure how they should be consolidated, if at all, but I thought I'd just mention that BIS Hanoi is not BVIS Hanoi. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 09:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:Aargh, thanks, {{u|zzuuzz}}! – I checked that they were in the same city, owned by the same company, didn't look up the actual physical addresses. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::Understandable, and quite a confusing situation they have there (the RFPP request remains, btw) -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] [[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]] 19:31, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

== BIS Hanoi redirected link? Huyennguyen243 ==
Hello, I hope this message finds you well. I have created an article for British International School Hanoi since August however my article has been continuously redirected to British Vietnamese International School Hanoi at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Vietnamese_International_School_Hanoi. A volunteer on Wikipedia suggested me to talk to you about this. I'd like to explain that the two schools are separate and have differentiation in curriculum & student body although we are owned by the same company and locate in Hanoi. Could you please help to undo the redirect the BIS Hanoi article to BVIS Hanoi's one? Any further information please let me know. Thank you. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Huyennguyen243|Huyennguyen243]] ([[User talk:Huyennguyen243#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huyennguyen243|contribs]]) 04:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest]] ==
Hi. Thankyou for your participation in the challenge series or/and contests. In November [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest|The Women in Red World Contest]] is being held to try to produce new articles for as many countries worldwide and occupations as possible. There will be over $4000 in prizes to win, including Amazon vouchers and paid subscriptions. If this would appeal to you and you think you'd be interested in contributing new articles on women during this month for your region or wherever please sign up in the participants section. The articles done may also count towards the ongoing challenge. If you're not interested in prize money yourself but are willing to participate and raise money to buy books about women for others to use, this is also fine. Help would also be appreciated in drawing up the lists of missing articles. If you think of any missing articles please add them to the sub lists by continent at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/The World Contest/Missing articles|Missing articles]]. Thankyou, and if taking part, good luck!♦ [[User:Dr. Blofeld|''Dr. Blofeld'']] 08:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

==[[Edo Segal]]==
Hello. Thank you for making me aware of the edit warring policy. Is there any way we can get the page deleted? The content that's been approved and remains up there is unimportant and irrelevant, and the mention of the Golani Brigade could potentially be damaging given recent news. Is there a Wikipedia criterion for deletion that fits this reasoning? Thank you! — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Claire.c.n|Claire.c.n]] ([[User talk:Claire.c.n#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Claire.c.n|contribs]]) 18:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC) 
*I don't know what "recent events" you're talking about--that stuff about the brigade is well verified, in an online article, and you added, or re-added it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edo_Segal&diff=803939278&oldid=803936678 yourself]. But what you could do is pull different, more relevant content from that article. And I say "could" because I don't know if ''you'' can--I have not seen you edit the article neutrally. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, {{u|Drmies}} – as you've seen, there's very little in the page (which is why I've proposed merging it). I don't know exactly how that stuff got there, but I think I may have written some of it – the page has an extensive and tedious history of COI and copyvio. {{u|Claire.c.n}}, your first step is probably to declare what [[WP:COI|connection]] you have to Segal (your use of "we" makes it pretty obvious that there is such a connection), and specifically whether you [[WP:PAID|receive any payment of any kind]] from Segal or any of his businesses (paid editors '''must''' declare the source of payments they receive, in accordance with our [[WP:Terms of Use|Terms of Use]]). Once that's out of the way, you can request changes to the article by posting on the talk-page; there are instructions there on how to go about that. If you wish, you can try [[WP:AFD|nominating the page for deletion]], but I think he's been written about just enough that the nomination would possibly not succeed. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Hmm that other article really has no meat on it either, does it. This Edo Segal guy is kind of interesting (though that one article is waaaaay too puffy) and has been mentioned a few more times, but I don't know how much more we can get out of him. One thing you could consider is sending it to AfD... [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
::::Indeed, {{u|Drmies}}, he certainly does not seem to be just your ordinary successful businessman. I must admit I've not looked very hard for further sources for the page, probably because there are so many other topics I'd rather be writing about. You? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 13:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
:::::Google News didn't have much to add. I may come back to this to see if AfD is a valid option. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 15:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[:Category:Graphic artists]] ==

I don't think this is a viable category. It will get deleted. I suggest you use one of the others in [[:Category:Artists by genre]].[[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 11:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|Rathfelder}}, you may well be right. Which of those categories is, in your opinion, the right one for [[Graphic arts|graphic artists]] – artists who work in graphic media such as silk-screen, woodcut, engraving etc., but are not by any stretch of the imagination [[graphic design]]ers, who prepare advertising copy and the like? By the way, I don't think we should categorise people by nationality unless the nationality is stated, with reference, in the article text. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 11:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping you knew the answer to that question, because I don't. Maybe "Graphic artists" could be a useful category, but if so it needs to be populated. Perhaps you could have a look at the entries under graphic designers and see if any of them would be better there? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 12:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
:That's a good idea, {{u|Rathfelder}}, thank you; I'll see what substantial categories I can add to it, rather than piecemeal individuals. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 17:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

== Interesting article, possible source ==

[https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.attelage-patrimoine.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fle-commerce-du-cheval-de-travail.html&edit-text= This article on working horses in France] is the google translate version, if you can read it in the original French, it may be better. But looks like it may have good info on some of the French horse breeds, possibly including some on the extinct breeds list. Anyway, thought it might be up your alley. [[User:Montanabw|Montanabw]][[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]] 00:57, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia ==

Hi

Thanks for your changes to [[Wikipedia:Adding open license text to Wikipedia]] on dealing with text that has been added under a license that isn't compatible with Wikipedia. I think that the sentence 'Please do NOT attempt to rephrase the text without first removing it, as this can give rise to a [[wikipedia:Derivative work|derivative work]]' might be a bit confusing. I'm trying to write this page to be usable by people who are fairly new to Wikipedia. Is there any guidance anywhere on 'how much/how to' rephrase copyrighted material so it doesn't create a derivative work? This is quite unclear, the current sentence makes it sound a bit like you can't rephrase text from another source at all.

Thanks again

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 09:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|John Cummings}}! I'm certainly open to suggestions on how that sentence could be improved. Here's my take on the sticky question of "rephrasing":
:# we don't do it – it tends to lead to [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]]
:# what we do is write new text, in our own words, to express the ideas, concepts and facts in the sources
:# if there's been a copyright violation (content copied more or less directly from a source), then it needs to be removed, either by reverting to the version before it was inserted, or by excising the copyright content and any text that derives from it (see the instructions at [[WP:CP]])
:# if instead someone fiddles with the wording a bit to make it slightly different from the source, the problem is not solved and a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]] may have been created (like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa); that modified text will still need to be removed.
:I'm aware that others may have a rather more tolerant attitude to rewriting problem text without first removing it, but I'm not sure that that tolerance is in accordance with our policy (by which I mean, I don't think it is). I'll have a look at the text I added to your page and see if I can suggest something better – I wrote that in some haste, as I wanted to try to correct what appeared to me to be some quite mistaken advice. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 19:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Justlettersandnumbers}}, thanks very much for your thoughts, perhaps something like this? I'm trying to keep the instructions accurate but succinct, TLDR is a real issue:
# Remove the text and attribution from the article , either by reverting to the version before it was inserted (being careful not to lose any other work done on the article), or by [[WP:CP|deleting the text]].
# Rewrite the text in your own words and avoid [[WP:close paraphrasing|close paraphrasing]] which will create a [[WP:derivative work|derivative work]].
[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 11:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== [[Heiner Thiel]] ==

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, recently i worked on the article and found that there were all these ''ref name''-tags, which i couldn't understand. And then i re-entered the original links, with the result that now this message came ''Cite error: A list-defined reference named "ref9" is not used in the content (see the help page).'' and this got me very nervous. I asked at the help-desk, how i could erase this and someone wrote that you were so kind to work on the formatting of the article and had put the ref name tags there... and now i erased all your work, i just didn't understand, why they were there. Could you please help me to understand? I don't want to do things wrong and i can only excuse myself for having erased all the work and effort you put into it. It was just that i did not understand. Sorry. Kind regards, --[[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda|talk]]) 12:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Gyanda}}, there's nothing to apologise for, please don't give this another thought. I made those changes because I couldn't make head or tail of an early version of the page. If you've now worked out how to do without them that's fine with me. However, I remain concerned both that Thiel is not really notable by our standards, and that you may have some personal or professional connection to him. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
::The only connection i have is that i like his art. I'm only writing on abstract artists, whose work i like. I try to build up some knowledge on the terms of this part of art, as i haven't studied it - but studied literature instead. So i still have to learn a lot about art and it is a nice work as i am retired now and do have lots of time (and am not very mobile, due to physical handicap, so i do my best to be useful still :-). Thank you very much for your work on the article! Kind regards, Gyanda — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gyanda|Gyanda]] ([[User talk:Gyanda#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gyanda|contribs]]) 20:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC) 

== What was wrong with this statement? ==

Art Research Center First Exhibition: October 29 1966 to January 31 1967 Kansas City, MO Public Library, 12th & Oak. Seven members participated in the first ARC Exhibition. Michael Stephens, Constructive Artist, Designer, Lecturer, Nancy Ann Stephens, Artist, Designer, Jon B. Thogmartin, Architect, Structural Artist,Norton Nelkin, Wittgensteinian, Philosopher, Theoretician, Gary Rice, Theoretician, Computer, Programmer, Philip J. VanVoorst, Artist, Graphic Designer,John Abbick, Artist, Conceptual Modeler,Harold Chase, Systematic Artist. Source The Kansas City Star Nov 13 1966 ([[User:Philboyxp|Philboyxp]] ([[User talk:Philboyxp|talk]]) 17:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC))
:Well, quite a lot, I'm afraid, {{u|Philboyxp}}. Relatively minor problems are that It's All Capitalised As If It Were The Title Of A Book Or Something, and that it is nonsense (do you really believe that Gary Rice was a computer as well as a programmer, that Nelkin could have been a [[Wittgenstein]]ian if he were not also a philosopher?). More serious problems are your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] in relation to this page, and the apparently insuperable difficulty that most if not all of these people are fairly thoroughly non-[[WP:notable|notable]], such that listing them in an article does not really expand our understanding at all. I'll leave a note on the talk-page about conflict of interest and how to handle it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

==Lau==
My error,of course. I obviously should have either deleted or rewritten much more thorly ,but the simplest thing noe id delete it snd I just did that. Apparently I was working too late at night. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 16:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:I'm so sorry, I meant to leave you a note to say just that – that some of the problematic initial text had slipped through your rewrite, but I forgot – I've been very caught up in real life today and have only visited very briefly here. How I wish that we had a real-time copyvio check on page creations that would simply block the save function on text that appears to be copied. It'd stop a lot of run-of-the-mill copyvio, but would also catch the occasional good-faith mistake such as this one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 16:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:::It would have stopped this, but there are always borderline problems--the programs we have mark lists of publications and similar uncopyrightable text that could not be expressed otherwise as copyvio. More generally, there's of course the problem of how much effort to use on rewriting promotional articles. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 17:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Art gallery editing Wikipedia articles ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers,

I have a question: I work for an Art gallery. My job involves curating and writing about some of the artists we host. I've been getting acquainted with Wikipedia these last few days to see how I may be able to contribute within guidelines. Would my contributions be considered COI editing? I am not paid by the artists involved, but my employer is an arts organization that hosts some of these artists. I noticed you have been involved in editing Wikipedia articles for some of the artist pages I would like to contribute to, so thought you'd be a good editor to ask for advice. Thank you for your help :-) Liz [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 12:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|CroatianNeptune}}, and thanks for asking! In my personal opinion, yes, you would be considered to have a [[WP:COI]] in relation to any artist or work that the gallery markets, and should limit your contributions to our articles on them to talk-page requests (ask if you don't know how to do that). Based on what you say, I'm pretty sure that you should also make a [[WP:PAID|paid editor disclosure]]. But that's just my opinion; if you'd like a more general view, you could ask at the [[WP:COIN|conflict-of-interest noticeboard]]. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
::: Hi [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]], Thank you for your advice. I will follow it. Best wishes. [[User:CroatianNeptune|CroatianNeptune]] ([[User talk:CroatianNeptune|talk]]) 13:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

== Joel Selanikio Edits ==

Hi, I saw that you removed significant portions of the article on [[Joel Selanikio]] due to some citation and user edit issues. The current article, however, references him primarily as a physician, but the original outlined his role as a technology company CEO, as related to the awards still listed on the page. I was wondering your thoughts on why those references were removed as it changes the meaning of the page in its current form. Thanks!  [[User:Chatfielda|Chatfielda]] [[User_talk:Chatfielda|(talk) ]] 18:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I made fifteen or so edits there, {{u|Chatfielda}}. Unless I am much mistaken, I left an edit summary for each of them, so that my reasons for making each change would be quite clear. If there's any that isn't clear to you, please ask (the talk-page of the article would be the best place for that). Oh, and if you have some [[WP:COI|personal or professional connection]] to him, you should disclose it. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 18:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sussex Chicken ==

Hello Justlettersandnumbers,
In the Popular Poultry Breeds source I added, the author talked about how the Sussex chicken came to be, specifically on page 242-243. It basically followed the lineage from the Dorking chicken, which (with the help of the [[Dorking chicken]] page) led to me adding that portion on. Perhaps I phrased something wrong in the next bit, because (from the info I gathered) the naming of the Sussex Chicken came after [[Harrison Weir]] suggested naming chickens from their proper location, which was the Sussex county. I'm pretty sure the county was around the time he was alive because he suggested it again in 1903, but if you can tell me when the county was made, that would be great because I don't have that knowledge. As far as the four and five toes bit, I wanted to get another source, although the same info can be found in the Popular source. Is the Popular source not a good source to cite from? Thanks for looking it over and if you can help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it as a rookie. [[User:John Cartright|John Cartright]] ([[User talk:John Cartright|talk]]) 16:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
:Urggh, it seems I forgot to answer you, {{u|John Cartright}} – sorry about that. The Scrivener source appears to be [[WP:RS|reliable]] by our standards – it's published by a small but reputable publishing house. However, I don't think your reading of it and the other sources is accurate – I don't think it is credible that the breed was named by Harrison Weir, or that it derives from the [[Dorking (chicken)|Dorking]], which is characterised by a distinctive fifth toe. Our page on that breed certainly makes some absurd claims, and needs cleaning up. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Making Headway ==

I apologize if I'm not do doing this right, as I'm a wikipedia notice. Somebody on the live help chat said I should contact you. I while back I tried to get a volunteer to set up a page for a non-profit that I work at. I didn't go through that process correctly, but eventually a more experienced wikipedia editors helped me to edit and organize the information, including declaring that I had a connection to the organization. After everything was done, I submitted the entry, but it was rejected twice because "no changes were made". However, there were a lot of changes since the original entry and I have no idea what else needs to be changed. Everything is sources and nothing is promotional. Can you please help. Than you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Making_Headway_Foundation [[User:Danlipka|Daniel Lipka]] ([[User talk:Danlipka|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Smithson yet again! ==

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. As you know, he's been on a bit of a rampage here in the last two weeks, and an even bigger rampage at Simple WP where they let IPs create articles [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|25px]]. To make a long story short, I've created [[Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson]]. There needs to be a record of his MO that people can refer to. I think it would be useful to other Wikis as well. The Italians pretty much have his number, but he's been very busy on the Spanish and French Wikis in addition to Simple. I'm going to ask an admin to change the status of the LTA from "pending" to "active". Feel free to tweak it in the meantime. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
:That is a great step forward, {{u|Voceditenore}}, thank you for the work you've put into it. I've been thinking about how this should or could be stopped more effectively, and wondering if an edit filter could be set up to flag any edit containing the principal keywords – but I've no idea how edit filters work, or even who to ask ({{u|Crow}}, are you such a person?). Ideally, I think that would be a global filter, if there is such a thing (and if there isn't there should be). [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

::More about a filter in a moment. Meanwhile, you might want to keep an eye on [[Draft:Gualtiero Galmanini]] and its creator, a newly registered account. Smithson has been busy lately creating articles about him all over the place, e.g. [[simple:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[:it:Gualtiero Galmanini]], [[fr:Gualtiero Galmanini]], '''[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Gualtiero+Galmanini%22 etc.]'''. It might be a coincidence, but I doubt it, given the time frame. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

*About filters, it would have to be one that stipulates it's for IPs only and it would have to filter for the articles themselves and for key words. Some of his targets get a lot of editing by registered users. But even then it might also exclude legitimate IPs, which many find undesirable. I think these normally get raised at ANI to get approval. Perhaps either you or I could post there asking if this is possible. What do you think? By the way, here's the latest example of him sneaking "Lierna" into a non-obvious target: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dieter_Zetsche&type=revision&diff=809018772&oldid=808928471]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 18:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

:*Yes I'm an Edit Filter Manager so can potentially put something together. If there's a pattern or keyword that are always used, that helps. Looking at the LTA, just by what is given it would be hard to crate something that doesn't cause a large amount of legit edits to be blocked. Feel free to email me such conditions if these should be kept quiet to avoid the sock figuring out how to evade the filter. Thanks, [[User:Crow|'''Crow''']][[User talk:Crow|''Caw'']] 14:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

== Regarding revert of move ==

I moved the page according to [[Wikipedia:Moving a page]] and I didn't expect the move to be controversial because in my opinion the Italian title of the article is violating [[Wikipedia:Article titles]] which says that the titles of articles are in English. ''Wikipedia:Moving a page'' doesn't say that an article must be discussed before being moved unless it is expected to be controversial. I have a couple of questions: What do you find controversial about the move of the article? Where does it say that the move must be discussed beforehand? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 22:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

:Wow. I mean wow. Did you really have to just click the revert button instead of moving the article to the name you wanted? Did it cross your mind at all the amount of time that I spent editing the article? I spent a few hours on that article and you just push the revert button? Are you for real? [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 23:24, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

::I will ask you to do your proper homework before reverting other people's hard work. You should really take into account the significant amount of time that other editors put into editing articles before reverting their work. And this is something that a senior editor as yourself should know. "Dictionary of the Spanish Language" is not an obscure or made up name, it is actually the official translation in English that the Royal Spanish Academy uses for the name in Spanish of its dictionary, Diccionario de la Lengua Española.<ref>http://www.rae.es/sites/default/files/Triptico_RAE_ingles_web.pdf</ref> [[User:Thinker78|Thinker78]] ([[User talk:Thinker78|talk]]) 00:24, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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:::{{u|Thinker78}}, it seems that you moved [[:Accademia della Crusca]] and [[:Diccionario de la lengua española]] based on a very incomplete understanding of [[WP:AT|our article title policy]], so I reverted the moves. Thank you for starting the move requests, which would probably have been your best first step; so far, it seems I'm not alone in thinking the titles you chose are not the right ones. I also reverted changes you'd made to those two articles following the moves, as my revert had rendered them inappropriate (we use the same name within the article as we do in the page title). As a general rule, you can probably assume that moving a page on a prominent institution from a title that's been stable for thirteen years is almost certain to be controversial unless there's been some relevant recent change in our titling policy. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 20:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For doing your homework better than those saying "do your homework" :) [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:29, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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== [[Fort Collins, Colorado]] ==

Hi there. I noticed you started [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 115#Layer3 TV]] back in June. Today I stumbled upon [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fort_Collins,_Colorado&diff=prev&oldid=808890767 this] odd-smelling edit to [[Fort Collins, Colorado]]. I also see that [[Jeff Binder]] has a connection to Fort Collins, see [http://www.cobizmag.com/Articles/A-startup-state-of-mind/]. I'm not sure how to re-open this COI discussion. Cheers. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:54, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|Magnolia677}}! Yes, that's a curious edit. I'm not sure I see the connection to Layer3 TV, though, but perhaps that's because I haven't looked hard enough. In any case, to re-start a discussion like that I just start a new one with a title something like "Layer3 TV, again" and a link to the previous one. Regards, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers#top|talk]]) 12:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Touro ==

Hey there, I made a limited effort at putting information at [[Touro College and University System]], but another set of eyes couldn't hurt. I think for a long time, just [[Touro College]] was used as a catchall for the institution and the university network. Made a new category and added appropriate pages to that cat and left the TC cat on pages that were directly related to the home institution. Please have a look if things are up to snuff. If this is of no interest to you and you only came by the page because of the copyvio, I understand that too. Cheers, [[User:JesseRafe|JesseRafe]] ([[User talk:JesseRafe|talk]]) 20:31, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

== Barnstar of European Merit ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of European Merit'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray; height:5em;"| I, Vami_IV, award the Barnstar of European Merit to Justlettersandnumbers for their participation in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge|European 10,000 Challenge]], no matter how minor. I'm very glad to have had your diverse body of work in the quantity that I did for the Challenge. –[[User:Vami_IV|Vami]][[User talk:Vami_IV|_IV✠]] 02:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
|-
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |''this WikiAward was given to Justlettersandnumbers by [[User:Vami_IV|Vami]][[User talk:Vami_IV|_IV✠]] on 02:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC)''
|}

== Jigsaw Records ==

Please do not undo a factually correct and approved page. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Further improvements ==

Hello Theroadislong...
I'd like to work with you to improve SOCO International's Wiki page, get the facts out there and legitimize the page/remove the tags. I will not directly edit the page again since
I am a COI editor and do have a 'close connection' with the subject. Nevertheless, I would like to help present the facts about SOCO's activities while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.
In order to remove the promotional content I suggest removing the following three sentences, but please let me know what needs to happen to further improve the page and I would be happy to assist:
-- "In 2016 it was reported that SOCO had indicated that with low cost production, no debt and its disciplined approach to capital allocation, the company was in a good position to weather a prolonged industry downturn."
--"Looking ahead, the company said it plans to produce 10,000 to 11,500 barrels of oil equivalent a day in 2016 This doesn't included potentially higher output scenarios from its TGT field in Vietnam."
--"The start of production was achieved more than a month ahead of schedule, SOCO said, and the H5 wellhead platform development was completed with zero lost time accidents."
I look forward to hearing from you,
SOCOrep — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) — [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. 

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== 18:22:28, 25 December 2016 review of submission by Mathematician1 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mathematician1|ts=18:22:28, 25 December 2016|declined=Draft:Albert_Aflitunov_Ptolemy}}

== 10:50:54, 6 February 2017 review of submission by 2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61 ==
{{Lafc|username=2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61|ts=10:50:54, 6 February 2017|declined=Draft:Mohanlal_discography}}

Decline reason - "content is already included in his article [[Mohanlal]]": Yes, it was meant to be removed after ''Mohanlal discography'' becomes a stand-alone list. Please consider a re-review.

== 23:21:28, 27 March 2017 review of submission by 92.21.247.53 ==
{{Lafc|username=92.21.247.53|ts=23:21:28, 27 March 2017|declined=Draft:Rene_Michael_Stuart}}

'This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability'.

As my draft submission says, I was the CASWO. I am filling in the missing information between my predecessor and my successor . I am open to suggestions on how I can increase or prove my 'notability'. I would have thought my notability can be proved by my award of the MBE, and I have referenced that?

== 23:04:55, 20 April 2017 review of submission by 223.104.38.188 ==
{{Lafc|username=223.104.38.188|ts=23:04:55, 20 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

Do you know how scammy the page would look if she posted hundreds of articles you can see for the subject when you do a Google or Baidu search?? Come on. Be sensible.

== 09:14:06, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 64.88.227.140 ==
{{Lafc|username=64.88.227.140|ts=09:14:06, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

I know about MEAT and this is not MEAT. Im pretty sure this subject even wrote a domain name decision involving Wikipedia, and I am trying to find it.

== 21:56:11, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 123.211.76.48 ==
{{Lafc|username=123.211.76.48|ts=21:56:11, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

This article looks better with more references included. Thank you.

== 04:00:59, 23 April 2017 review of submission by 49.197.187.175 ==
{{Lafc|username=49.197.187.175|ts=04:00:59, 23 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

There are lots more articles to add.

== 15:31:04, 30 April 2017 review of submission by Neram4 ==
{{Lafc|username=Neram4|ts=15:31:04, 30 April 2017|declined=Draft:Merin_Gregory}}

Merin Gregory is a well known playback singer n malayalam movie winner who was the title winner of idea star singer.
She is even listed in Imdb aswell.
Link : http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8720964/

She had sang many superhit songs in malayalam.

Please confirm this Wikipedia page.

Thank You

== popular choreographer mentioned in other news sites ==

Sir, Sajna Najam is a popular choreographer at South India in Kerala. Information of a good choreographer like this deserves to be included in this encyclopedia and is an important part of Malayalam cinema industry. In Wikipedia pages for Movies section the name of Choreographer has no space for inputting. That's why it seems to be missing. If else it would have been added. And she is similar to another popular choreographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_(choreographer)

Please include this information about Sajna Najam and pls avoid any situation of deleting it from data base as many people will surely look for these details.

Detailed information about it has been mentioned at many sites as follows.

http://metrovaartha.com/en/2015/08/24/experimental-dance-steps-of-a-housewife-that-proved/
http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/shes-got-the-moves/article6839021.ece
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/tv/ReadMore/8642/sajna-najam-on-filmy-choreography/

== 15:34:37, 24 May 2017 review of submission by 171.49.189.97 ==
{{Lafc|username=171.49.189.97|ts=15:34:37, 24 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

As a contributor to Wikipedia, I feel that the article meets all the requirements of a Wikipedia article particularly neutrality and notability.

There are no opinions or promotional statements in the article.
On the contrary, it provides a holistic picture of an organisation in the Power electronic sector in India.
I have revised the article once again.

Kindly advise ways in which I can improve this article, as I have feel the article is objective and only enlightens a reader of an Indian organisation in the power quality space.

== 15:20:50, 28 May 2017 review of submission by 122.174.181.157 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.181.157|ts=15:20:50, 28 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
Have included the references as per the link you shared,
Is there anything that can be added?

== Hello i have a question ==

== 17:21:45, 1 June 2017 review of submission by 122.174.127.41 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.127.41|ts=17:21:45, 1 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
As per your suggestions, I have modified the article.

Can you please provide your inputs?

== 15:17:53, 6 June 2017 review of submission by 122.164.208.137 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.164.208.137|ts=15:17:53, 6 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello Theroadislong,
I have modified the article.
Can you move it to the article space if it's fine?

Thanks

== Look no offense buddy.. ==

This firm used wikipedia to sow the seeds of civil war, dissent and racial division in my country..You should let the edit stay around for 10 minutes at least..Fuck Bell Pottinger! Fuck the corrupt fucks in charge of our state now.. We love you though! ;) And expect every client of the PR company to be edited, along with the companies page..I am one of millions of angry fucks..

== Help ==

Can you please tell what should I do to improve. I am new here

== Smiley ==

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== Hello ==

Hello, Theroadislong!
Thank you for your advice about my article. This helped me understand some of my mistakes. If You do not mind, could You review the new edits to this article. Is everything in my article correct? I wish you every success in your career.Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vagif_Ibrahimov

== Question about Draft:Fractal Visuals ==

Hi I am new to Wikipedia and trying to understand how to establish notability. In the Draft: Fractal Visuals article doesn't the fact that the tweet coming from a reputable source like the Moody College of Communication from University of Texas official account allow it to be used as a credible source? Thanks!

== Such lovely folk one encounters here... ==

Many thanks for reverting that delightful gentleman on my talkpage last night! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|雲]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]] 07:51, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:You're welcome.[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

== COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! Speedy Deletion! why? ==

Dear Wikipedia I noted the warning you have placed on the article 'Phillip Leo', first of all, this is NOT an infringement of copyright because the 'Islandah Radio biography' was given to them by myself, and I was not aware they were going to put this up on their site. The owner was very kind and supporting to the artist Phillip Leo and put his biography up on their website as a supporting gesture.
To say that the artist is not notable is crazy because all you have to do is put the name into google search and you will see this artist has been in his profession over 30 years now. I can't help feeling a little unfairness is occurring here, I would appreciate if you could be a little more supportive to article creators, instead of the constant criticism of notability. I do understand there are guidelines to wikipedia entries and I will do my best to keep to them.
May I request that you do not delete the article as I have now explained why the 'Islandah biography is very similar.

Thank you

PEP
:The content on https://islandahradio.com/biography/ clearly states "Copyright Islandah Radio, All Rights Reserved 2013" at the bottom of the page. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 06:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]], so you will see this user and I assume their IP address has got into an edit war about this information as well as they keep removing the deletion tab. I have reported them [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Pep67_reported_by_User:NZ_Footballs_Conscience_.28Result:_.29|here]]. They have also been explained [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Articles_keep_being_deleted|here]] why it appears the copyright information shows on the other website first. I don't want to keep reverting them at this stage and was just going to let the Admin report sort it out. [[User:NZ Footballs Conscience|NZFC]][[User talk:NZ Footballs Conscience|(talk)]] 02:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

== Removed information ==

Dear Wikipedia

Also can you kindly put back the biography information, this was after all compiled by myself, there's no copyright infringement here.

Thank you
PEP

== One of your lambs has gone astray, baa baa ==

[[PlayStation 5]] Creator moved it out. I moved it back. Creator moved it out. Still has a draft tag on it. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 13:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

== 11:29:32, 27 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=11:29:32, 27 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

I'm asking for re reviewing this page based on the fact that
I'm the first person in Russia who made snowboard
and Gromel snowboard is the first company in Russia who made snowboards on commercial bases
from 1988 till 1993 when company was sold.
This information based on 4
patent's of innovation (numbers attached)
several magazine articles (attached)
internet publications (attached)
I have provided many links
proving that fact
Currently I'm the only company in Ohio making boards.

Why articles about
Donec snowboards
K2 snowboards
exist in Wekipedia
but Gromel snowboards where denied????

== Paid editing on [[Razoo (company)]] ==

Hi I saw you tagged the above article as having a paid contributor. It certainly doesn't surprise me but how did you know ? [[User:Domdeparis|Domdeparis]] ([[User talk:Domdeparis|talk]]) 11:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:Linda Gerhardt (Community Engagement Specialist at Razoo) is editing using her own name [https://www.linkedin.com/in/linda-gerhardt-3312b1102/]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Ah OK I thought that there was something onwiki that I had missed. Cheers [[User:Domdeparis|Domdeparis]] ([[User talk:Domdeparis|talk]]) 12:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Carlile Transportation article ==

How is it promotional in tone? Also, it is notable. Four seasons as part of a major television series... I guess you've never watched '''[[Ice Road Truckers]]'''?[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 14:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sentences like “Over the next 24 years, they established themselves as one of the premier transport companies for oil exploration” and “earning international recognition beyond their service areas.” are extremely promotional. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Did you read it in context with the next paragraph? That 30% carriage of Prudhoe cargo doesn't come without a lot of hard work, on the part of management and the drivers, to establish a base of trust with clients as well as their own support network. If you hold that standard, you could say that about EVERY company article here![[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 17:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:It's not my standard, it is Wikipedias standard, if you link to any other articles that use that language I will tag them also. Please read [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]] This policy is non-negotiable, and the [[#History|principles]] upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
So? If you find that somehow wrong, comment out the "offending" language or rewrite it.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 18:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Your re-write still uses the exact same promotional language and is not supported by the sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Did you even read the source I addd in the rewrite?[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]])
:Yes. If you want a second opinion I suggest you ask at the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:55, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::If there are any articles that need semi protection and I'm about, do feel free to ping me. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 18:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Article Biography, Not Copy & Pasted ==

Dear Theraodislong

I did not copy and paste my article from Islandah Radio's website, actually it happened the other way around, this biography was put together by myself, also I've adjusted it slightly so no more confusion can arise, (this article is no infringing on any copyright laws, it's a totally original biography)

Thank you
PEP

== Accidentally edited my article logged out ==

Dear Theroadislong

You are correct I did edit not logged in, this was a mistake on my part, I thought I was logged in, if you look you will see I logged in immediately afterwards. Will check properly next time.

Cheers

PEP

== [[Draft:Polar Industries]] ==

I have two independent reliable sources. That qualifies as multiple.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 18:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:The first is merely a listing and not in-depth, the second one is excellent, if you could find three or four more like that. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I've only been able to find two, but both go further in depth.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 19:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Great...I'll leave it for another reviewer to decide. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Copied and pasted? ==

Dear Theroadislong

Again I will state to you this article was not copied from this website, I am the original writer of this article (which is now under CC license also). Don't mean to sound rude but instead of constantly commenting on copying and pasting, I would however be grateful for some constructive advice on how to really improve this article.

Thank you

PEP
:Please add [[WP:RS|reliable independent sources]] your content has no references, you may have written the original content but it still needs a source. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:09, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sources for information ==

Dear Theroadislong

I just added a citation from the BBC which I think is a reliable source of information, but someone has just removed it.
Was there a reason for this?

PEP
:You are still not signing your posts, I removed the content because the source was content copied from Wikipedia by the BBC and Wikipedia is not a reliable source. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sources of information ==

Dear Theroadislong

Sorry I've just seen your signature message, this is why I'm sending this message again.
I just added a citation from the BBC which I thought was a reliable source of information, but someone has just removed it. Was there a reason for this?

PEP--[[User:Pep67|Pep67]] ([[User talk:Pep67|talk]]) 21:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== 05:24:04, 28 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=05:24:04, 28 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

Ser
sorry for being Lille bit ruff in conversation
But your almost immediate review made me little bit worried!
I have question
Once you reviewed the article about Gromel snowboards
did you pay attention on paragraph 7

'''7 Patents From 1988 to 1995 Ostatnigrosh and Melnikov registered four snurfer and snowboard patents. Aleksey Ostanigrosh holds Russian Patents, #1391670 (link 17), dated 04/30/1988, #1584971 (link 18), #1584972 (link 19) dated 8/15/1990. Aleksey Ostanigrosh and Alexei Melnikov hold Russian Patents #2030196 (link 20) dated 03/10/1995
'''
Ser. Did you had the chance to look at these patents?
I do not know if you have enough knowledge of Russian language or you need some translation?
Any way here is short translation for you, just in case.
This paragraph has numbers for different 4 patents two of them I have for snurfer modifications
One for invention of rotating snowboard bindings
and last one me and my Friend Aleksey Melnikov for snowdoard production technology
our patents are first in USSR-RUSSIA for that king sporting goods
You are welcome to do a search if you want.
We have an priority on them. It is proven by patent date and patent numbers
I bed you know how it works.
Ser it is not some publication in news paper or some links in Internet social media
it is an official State Documents with dates and numbers These patents are holding our position as first people who made snowboard in USSR-RUSSIA
and create first Snowboard production company in USSR-RUSSIA
If you want to proof it wrong , go for it!

== Editing of the page krishna ==

Please give me the reasons as to why you considered the changes I made to the page krishna on Wikipedia as not being neutral. My views are purely based on ancient scriptures without any bias, the most considerable being the Bhagwad Geeta.
:You added " He is the unborn, begginingless and infinite supreme lord who is both the origin and the dissolution of this cosmic manifestation. His form is both presented and unpresented. The five elements ie. air, water, Earth, fire and sky are his manifestations. He is the father and the mother of this universe. Like the mighty wind is always present in the sky, all created beings rest upon him. Although as the supreme lord, he is everywhere and everything rests upon him but he is not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for his self is the source of all creation." instead of the simpler neutral "a major deity in [[Hinduism]]. He is worshiped as the eighth [[avatar]] of the god [[Vishnu]] and also as the supreme [[God]] in his own right" please discuss on the article's talk page if you think it needs to change. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:29, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Could you please help me to delete this page that I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour. Actually the farsi page was available and I tried to create English version but I couldn't find resources. There is another user who has created the exsiting Frasi page, he will create the English page. So I prefer just delete one I have built, then that would be easier for him. Would you please delete this draft page or let me know how can I do that?
Regards
Solmaz

== Draft: Liam Goligher ==

You gave me a number of suggestions which I am working on. I apologize, but I am used to writing for business (Fortune 500 companies, for example) where one has to make things interesting, so my style was off. I have cut it down as you suggested.

It will take time to address some, because I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. How do I save my work. My only option seems to be RESUBMIT and I know it is not yet ready.

1. Surely the NY Times is not the only kind of news outlet of significance. It may depend on the field. In this case, Christianity Today is the most significant news outlet, with tens of millions of readers in both print and online and many more browsers, of course. In psychology it would be something else. There is one major citation from that news outlet. Dr. Goligher has kicked off probably the biggest Debate within conservative American Christianity in at least 60 years. Hardly insignificant.
;Wikipedia requires indepth coverage in multiple [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

2. I am having trouble with a photo of Dr. Goligher. We were provided a current photo from his church, as I would think is appropriate. Apparently they put a copyright on it. How do we get around that?
:We don't get around that, either take a photograph yourself and upload it or leave the article without one. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
3. Many of the links are, as you noted to other Wiki articles. Dr. Goligher has connections with dozens of people and organizations which already have Wiki pages. In addition to citations, there seem to be links based on phrases and keywords which change color when a person runs the cursor over them. Dozens of my citations can be replaced by those. How does one do that?
:This has been shown to you on the draft article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
4. How does one deal with bound copies of sets of CDs and MP3 which do not have ISBN numbers? These are as important teaching tools as his books, I would guess even more so. At just one major conference of a major Christian denomination, 600 people grabbed up the first set. Much important information is now being shared orally, via such sets.

5. I hear that there is software that takes the ISBN number and creates the entry for books. Do I have to do that, or does it happen automatically?

As you can see. I am not ready to resubmit, but I am working on it. So how do I save my work?
:When you are in edit mode there is a large blue save changes button click it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for any help. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 04:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Please accept my apology, I did not mean to include soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia. Would you please show me examples of these being included, so I know not to include them in my edits again. Thank you

Ok thank you, I will add references to the article.
:For example "a creative performance and painting artist with a unique style of work combining performance, painting and music" and " has drawn international acclaim for her provocative, powerful and bold works." and "Amos’ dramatic work is her understanding of the human condition, a response to the world around her and with an underlying narrative of her life and experiences." are promotional and not neutral tone and unreferenced. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I talked to the reviewer. The problem is that Liam Goligher practices Christian humility to a fault. He suggested that we create a 'stub' of what we can verify and get that much out there. I think that is appropriate. More sources will come forward, I expect. He is too much in the limelight. I'll follow the reviewer's guidance. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 18:55, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Hi
I'm contacting you third time truing to find out reason why gromel snowboards article was denied
May you please write me an explanation why it it happen.

my email
[email protected]

Thanks.
:As the decline reason says at [[Draft:Gromel snowboards]] the submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

I understand that you are ignoring me
So
According to my knowledge You just are not doing your job
I will have contact company headquarters
and discuss your style of work — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 
:We are all volunteers here it is NOT my job! You are being paid to write an article about your company. I feel no desire to help you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Sorry
I could not find your respond
I was thinking you are ignoring me

I will contact headquarters and now
and the return to our discussion — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

== gromel snowboards ==

I did contact headquarters and aborted
My previous request

Sorry for misunderstanding
your respond was attached to my question it is why I could not find it in the beginning.

So
I can write more information about the subject
May you please send me some article that I can use as an example
Also
As I mentioned before in my "angry" letter We do have 4 patents
To me document officially provided by State are independent sources
Also we have provide number of links on Internet and runet

Our goal was writing in encyclopedia that we are first company in USSR - Russia who build snowboard
and still making this product here in USA being american company of course for 10 years now

Please look at these articles
and let me know where exactly gromel snowboards draft needs to be corrected
and I will certainly do that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donek_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTB_(company)

Thanks
Aleksey — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 05:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

==hello==
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am concerned about retribution for asking questions

You found my other account by my e-mail address correct? [[User:Lowlowprofile|Lowlowprofile]] ([[User talk:Lowlowprofile|talk]]) 14:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

you look like a nice guy :)
:I think you should assume good faith, the editor you are accusing of retribution is very well respected and would do no such thing. Your edit history is available to view by anyone. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== 749 ==

drat. will i never catch you? -- [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
:ha haa it's not a race. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Hi, I see you marked my page for deletion. It would help if you said why, rather than waste my time. I've got a decade of experience in the area of kettlebells and trying to contribute, but just deleting stuff doesn't help or anyone else. What is the user page for if not for what I posted? I'm trying to keep it short without advertising, just displaying the reason why my edits and contributions are valuable. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 08:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Taco fleur}}, an editor's user page is a place to tell about themselves, sure, but it's not a place to ''promote'' oneself. If I had to guess it would be the "missions" part of your userpage that is the issue, because it sounds like you're trying to sell something (even if you aren't). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC) {{tps}}
:{{tps}} {{reply|Taco fleur}} quite. it definitely has a social media/webhost/nothing to do with editing wikipedia feel to it. You could look at our user pages for a better idea of content. [[Wikipedia:User page design center]] has information that can help you design a user page.
::For your information, Taco fleur offers [https://www.upwork.com/jobs/_~0134e2a2990933d2e2/ $100 on this website] for a recreation of the deleted page. --[[User:Shev123|Shev123]] ([[User talk:Shev123|talk]]) 17:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Taco Fleur has to offer money to people to help him understand what it is that Wikipedia EXACTLY wants to see, because he spends hours genuinely setting something up, which then gets deleted at the push of a button. While better content could be achieved if the person deleting stuff actually opens his eyes and looks a bit deeper, asks questions, communicates. Take my personal profile for example, I had no mention of brands, just my experience and what I wanted to do on wikipedia to help, which I understand is exactly what it needs to say, but still not good enough. Do I need to write a special tone that I just don't have??? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 

:::It would be easier for {{u|Taco fleur}} to just request it be undeleted so they can remove the garbage. Or simply recreate it from scratch; it's just a userpage. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|Taco fleur}} This page might help you [[Wikipedia:User page design center/About you]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Taco fleur}}, I think you'll find that ''most'' of the comments here have had indications of what you could do to improve the page. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 19:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I give up. Spend hours trying to get it to where it's suitable and someone just deleted it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Didn't see the timeframe, but the user page ''has'' been restored. Case closed? [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:You might want to take a look at [[Deletionpedia]], if you're looking to copy some information which was in the deleted article.--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! Please provide some further explanation regarding an edit you made to Afran Nisho. ==

I'm afraid that I didn't quite get why you removed the list of appearances in [[Afran Nisho]]. I'm guessing that it was because of a lack of sources. [[Talk:Afran_Nisho#Removal_of_list_of_appearances.|Relevant talk page section.]]--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:I did explain in the edit summary. I removed the large list of appearances because it was unreferenced, I kept the few that were referenced even though they are not notable appearances. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you!--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 09:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto ==

Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto so quickly and giving helpful feedback. I agree that it needs more work (notability, reliability, objectivity).
Mike — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mikemorrell49|Mikemorrell49]] ([[User talk:Mikemorrell49#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mikemorrell49|contribs]]) 14:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Q on reference source language ==

== 16:09:38, 3 November 2017 review of submission by Mikemorrell49 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mikemorrell49|ts=16:09:38, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:BredaPhoto}}

This is not a re-review just a question.
You recently reviewed the page Draft:BredaPhoto and your feedback on notability, reliability and objectivity was very helpful. Thanks for this! The BredaPhoto event is an international event both in terms of participating photographers and in terms of visitors. BredaPhoto is also mentioned in multiple English language Wikipedia articles about the city of Breda. For both reasons, I was asked to write an English language page on the history of BredaPhoto and the next event. I'm a volunteer for BredaPhoto and I've declared a possible COI on the talk page. I fully understand the requirement to refer to independent sources of information to confirm notabilty and reliabilty. There are independent sources (newspaper and magazine articles) for this page but most - if not all - are in Dutch. BredaPhoto is a more important topic to cover in the Netherlands than in the 'international' countries. So my question is: would Dutch language sources be valid as references for an English language Wikipedia page? If you could point me to a page where this question has already been answered, that would be fine too. I've not found an answer so far.
Mike
:Whilst English language references would be ideal, there is nothing to stop you using Dutch ones as long as they are reliable and independent. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:20:51, 3 November 2017 review of submission by VivaLaPandaz ==
{{Lafc|username=VivaLaPandaz|ts=22:20:51, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bubbies_Fine_Foods}}

You rejected my submission commenting that too many of the references point to the company's own website. I have added additional references in the External links section, but should those instead be worked into the post content?
:Yes please... Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything said or published by Bubbies Fine Foods. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them: the article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 20:54:43, 4 November 2017 review of submission by BibianaG ==
{{Lafc|username=BibianaG|ts=20:54:43, 4 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bibiana_Goldenthal}}

Hello,
The person who's page i'm editing is my voice teacher.
She is an 84 year old woman, and has contributed much to the music world in her life.
Unfortunately, she is a modest person, and did not request much of her work published.
I have gathered from her newspaper clippings (some in hebrew and some in english), photos, and attributions from famous musicians and conductors.
All I wanted was for her to have a page on Wikipedia in her life time, but i just can't seem to get the editing right, and my page edit keeps being declined.
I would much appreciate a guideline to what kind of improvements my edit could have?
I have linked other sites where she is referenced. I have attached newspaper clipping mentioning her.
I've added pictured of her playing in an opera.
I even added some of her work to youtube!
She is already mentions in some page on this site (her students' pages),
but her page is still declined.

Please advice.
:The reference [http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Goldenthal-Bibiana.htm] is a good one. The photographs of newspaper cuttings are possibly useful if you know the date and title of the newspaper then they can also be used as a source. Any other newspaper articles would also help. Youtube is not considered a reliable source I'm afraid. Just find some more [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Please realise though that as you know her you have a conflict of interest. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
::Please NEVER copy and paste content from other pages though as you did from here [https://www.jamd.ac.il/en/content/bibiana-goldenthal] [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:34, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

==AfC==
I've accepted [:Josef Alois Ladurner]]. anyone with an entry on Grove is notable, even if the article is otherwise incomplete '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 07:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Ok I wasn't able to verify any of the references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Kingston University]] ==

Hi Theroadislong. I wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frenchbook&oldid=808849315#Your_edits_to_Kingston_University this message] on the talk page of the problematic editor after their latest revert. Within minutes, they blanked their whole talk page. Humph! I'm kind of assuming that if there weren't a ''significant'' COI, they wouldn't have done that. I'll keep an eye on the article and if they keep up the shenanigans and refuse to discuss on the talk page, I may take this to the [[WP:COIN|COI Noticeboard]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== An article you have been editing is under discretionary sanctions ==

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== Request on 11:03:32, 6 November 2017 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Svenalamo ==
{{anchor|11:03:32, 6 November 2017 review of submission by Svenalamo}}
{{Lafc|username=Svenalamo|ts=11:03:32, 6 November 2017|declinedtalk=Draft:Josef_Alois_Ladurner}}



Hi, I have edited the article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Alois_Ladurner
I believe the issues should be solved now. Could you please check and remove the copyright template?
Thanks!

[[User:Svenalamo|Svenalamo]] ([[User talk:Svenalamo|talk]]) 11:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:It's the edit history that needs redacting and I am not an admin so can't do this. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Humans are apes ==

Hi there :)! You reverted my edit a while ago in [[Creation and evolution in public education|this article]]. I'm not going to edit war over something so tiny but I would like to point out that humans ''are'' apes descended from monkeys. Not only the respective articles say so, Richard Dawkins [http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm does too]. That change I made was not incorrect. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/145.90.81.46|145.90.81.46]] ([[User talk:145.90.81.46#top|talk]]) 16:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Thank you - Prof Askari Draft ==

Thank you for your comments. Really appreciated.
I am on the learning curve as formatting is not my expertise. Would you able to help me in referencing format as I made several errors doing it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Syedahmerraza|Syedahmerraza]] ([[User talk:Syedahmerraza#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Syedahmerraza|contribs]]) 20:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Disruptive Editing ==

Hi,

I work at Verve Records, specifically in the digital marketing department, and we have decided to switch the introduction paragraph to what I had edited based on the current state of our label. I would not consider this "disruptive editing," and if there are any problems please feel free to email me at [email protected] or [email protected].

Nick — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup]] ([[User talk:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|contribs]]) 20:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything you want to say about your company. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. Sentences like “holds the world’s richest jazz catalogue and features seminal recordings from legendary artists” and “ recently expanded to scope newer artists while also keeping true to its roots” are just marketing puffery and certainly not acceptable in an encyclopaedia article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 20:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

== Agilsoft ==

I have taken out more pitchy comments and added some additional links to justify my claims. As a private company in a relatively small and emerging area, third party evaluations such as PC Magazine have been linked. However, there is less evaluation and third party content than with more traditional links. I have reduced the bios of the team as well. I would point out that roughly 2/3rds of the links are to non-Agiloft links. I merely pointed to Agiloft to justify claims they were making, which seem reasonable to me, e.g. pricing, money back guarantee, etc.

Please let me know if you have additional objections. I will fix them.

Alistair Davidson — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alistairdavidson|Alistairdavidson]] ([[User talk:Alistairdavidson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alistairdavidson|contribs]]) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) 
:As another reviewer has commented your draft [[Draft:Agilsoft]] Reads more like a press release, than a formal, neutral article. Linked in is never a good source and Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. The list of customers sourced to their own website needs to go as does the list of resellers and the team section none of this belongs in an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theroadislong|contribs]]) 10:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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== 16:13:33, 11 November 2017 review of submission by Wikidocs ==
{{Lafc|username=Wikidocs|ts=16:13:33, 11 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Percival}}

Hello, could you please provide more details on what you would like to see on improvements? The awards are national and sponsored by international banks (Lloyd’s Bank), national newspapers (Telegraph) and reliable sources (Richtopia, Rise Global & Business Insider). The notability is also via entrepreneurial success and as a figurehead of public-interest brands, the subject represents the leader for notable names in music etc and is cited in related WP pages (without link to this subject, as this page does not currently exist). Public like to have access to details of these leaders and is seen widely on WP, and would link from related articles.

Sources are broad and include primary and secondary from national newspapers (broadsheet, tabloid) and national magazines and well respected business sources. Also from the likes of BT and Virgin.

It would be prudent to understand how you would like to see the article develop before approving it? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:None of the awards are notable in Wikipedia terms i.e. they don't have their own articles yet. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Ok, but another reviewer has just contradicted this by saying whether something else has an article or not is irrelevant? Still not sure on what you want me to do to improve it, as it’s not just about the awards and you’ve failed to address my other questions. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 
:::I have removed a lot of puffery and non neutral tone content, so it's easier to see what we have left. I think it still needs some more reliable sources which aren't local press release types or interviews and if you have a connection with the article's subject you should declare it on your user page. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, thanks for your input and help. I’ve no connection other than being a fan of one of his artists signed to Jigsaw Records (which why I’ve got an interest in his background which I think should be shared publicly). I’ll try and find more sources and add them in. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::: I’ve now added in several further sources from various origins, along with some further relevant information which I found on the way. Hopefully, you will now agree there are sufficient sources and that the article can be approved? Thank you for your help with editing it too, really appriciate it.[[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::: [[re:Theroadislong]] More edits have been made and an image added from Wiki Commons which was on file. Look forward to hearing your views on the additional sources. Hopefully this is now acceptable? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== FTB LLC ==

Hi Theroadislong. My submission was just denied and I am interested in learning the specifics as to why so I can improve. I have listed multiple articles about the company that support its notability in External Links. The company has published multiple books, some by well-known authors. In looking at other small publishing company pages, I see they have less information than my article and were approved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macleay_Press and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_Publications). Can you please help me understand? Thanks in advance!
[[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 19:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Your article [[Draft:Fig Tree Books LLC]] was declined because Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As far as I can see none of your references are about the company? It may be that some of the many external links could be used as references instead. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::The two other publisher articles you list [[Macleay Press]] and [[Gryphon_Publications]] are VERY poor quality and should probably be listed for deletion. There are many poor quality articles on Wikipedia, created when standards were lower. See [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply. There are four articles featuring the company from The Times of Israel, Foreword Reviews, Shelf Awareness, and Lilith. I moved them out of the External Links section into a Notes section to make them more accessible and the page more organized. I also added a book award to The Sea Beach Line. Would you mind looking again? Sincerely appreciate. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 22:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Is there any content in the links that can be used in the article then they can be added as references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kaleshwaram Project ==

Hi, what is a acceptable reference? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 22:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC) 
:You have added 5 references that look like they might be suitable, but the Wikipedia links are not required you have already used them in the article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
-K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57#top|talk]]) 01:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Kaleshwaram Project - Kaleshwaram Lift Irrigation Scheme ==

i've added all required references...when this will be approved and available for public wiki? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 01:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Penny Rolls(Help) ==

Hi, I tried to make a penny rolls article with my friend as a cry for help. You denied it and I was wondering if you could make an article possible because we are inexperienced and uninformed about penny rolls/their measurements. Also, did you read the whole article? I know you probably forgot ours because you probably look at a ton of these, but I'm just curious. As I said in it, we are in Science Olympiad and we are aiming to win gold in our state for a hovercraft. The hovercraft needs to carry penny rolls, so we need measurements before we are able to actually design/build it. We cannot drive yet and unfortunately don't have any rolls in either of our houses. We tried asking my parents, but they went to the store the day before and don't want to go until next week. We have other events to work on and would like to finish our design and testing before we work on our other build event. With that being said, I would prefer we design and plan our hovercraft, with measurements, before my parents go to the store again. Thanks! I'm not sure if you actually will be helpful with our penny roll crisis, but replying and trying to help us out is great!
[[Special:Contributions/72.202.139.57|72.202.139.57]] ([[User talk:72.202.139.57|talk]]) 03:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)K, 9th grade Science Olympiad participant
:I'm sorry I have not the remotest idea what you are asking here, but good luck with your project. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:23, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

== 07:53:55, 14 November 2017 review of submission by FriendlyB ==
{{Lafc|username=FriendlyB|ts=07:53:55, 14 November 2017|declined=Draft:Dr._Petry_Textile_Auxiliaries}}

Dear Thereodislong,

thank you for reviewing the draft "Dr. Petry Textile Auxiliaries".

For the sources, I cited independent sources, such as
- http://www.genios.de/fachzeitschriften/artikel/MTB/20080617/umweltschutz-und-nachhaltigkeit-in-/060817061.html
- https://www.biooekonomie-bw.de/de/fachbeitrag/aktuell/insektenchitin-macht-textilherstellung-nachhaltiger/

In order to have more evidence, I added information from further independent sources and references:
- https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/companies/6311207Z:GR-textilchemie-dr-petry-gmbh
- https://www.bluesign.com/industry/chemical-suppliers/references/textilchemie-dr-petry

Thank you in advance for re-reviewing.

== Help with a company entry (Pendo) ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Thanks for reviewing my intro for Pendo [[Draft:Pendo]]. I understand that you didn't feel that the article met the criteria for a company page, but I would love to get more feedback on how I might improve it. I did a bunch of research on what's acceptable prior to writing and submitting, but mostly what I found most helpful was looking at comparable pages on Wikipedia and try to use them as templates. For example, I looked at [[SimilarWeb]] and [[Walkme]]. Granted, my draft was shorter than these examples, but I really tried to keep it as neutral as possible so as not to get too marketing-like.

Would love to hear from you how you think I can improve the draft in light of these thoughts.

Thanks,
[[User:Hillameller|Hillameller]] ([[User talk:Hillameller|talk]])hillameller —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 09:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC) 
:I have removed blatant promotional puffery from your draft, the fact that you don't see it is precisely why people with conflicts of interest are not encouraged to create articles about their own companies. My advice would be to wait until someone unconnected with the company does it for you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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== Further improvements ==

Hello Theroadislong...
I'd like to work with you to improve SOCO International's Wiki page, get the facts out there and legitimize the page/remove the tags. I will not directly edit the page again since
I am a COI editor and do have a 'close connection' with the subject. Nevertheless, I would like to help present the facts about SOCO's activities while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.
In order to remove the promotional content I suggest removing the following three sentences, but please let me know what needs to happen to further improve the page and I would be happy to assist:
-- "In 2016 it was reported that SOCO had indicated that with low cost production, no debt and its disciplined approach to capital allocation, the company was in a good position to weather a prolonged industry downturn."
--"Looking ahead, the company said it plans to produce 10,000 to 11,500 barrels of oil equivalent a day in 2016 This doesn't included potentially higher output scenarios from its TGT field in Vietnam."
--"The start of production was achieved more than a month ahead of schedule, SOCO said, and the H5 wellhead platform development was completed with zero lost time accidents."
I look forward to hearing from you,
SOCOrep — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) — [[User:SOCOrep|SOCOrep]] ([[User talk:SOCOrep|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SOCOrep|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. 

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== 18:22:28, 25 December 2016 review of submission by Mathematician1 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mathematician1|ts=18:22:28, 25 December 2016|declined=Draft:Albert_Aflitunov_Ptolemy}}

== 10:50:54, 6 February 2017 review of submission by 2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61 ==
{{Lafc|username=2405:204:D307:5A2D:F555:DF6E:68D:AE61|ts=10:50:54, 6 February 2017|declined=Draft:Mohanlal_discography}}

Decline reason - "content is already included in his article [[Mohanlal]]": Yes, it was meant to be removed after ''Mohanlal discography'' becomes a stand-alone list. Please consider a re-review.

== 23:21:28, 27 March 2017 review of submission by 92.21.247.53 ==
{{Lafc|username=92.21.247.53|ts=23:21:28, 27 March 2017|declined=Draft:Rene_Michael_Stuart}}

'This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability'.

As my draft submission says, I was the CASWO. I am filling in the missing information between my predecessor and my successor . I am open to suggestions on how I can increase or prove my 'notability'. I would have thought my notability can be proved by my award of the MBE, and I have referenced that?

== 23:04:55, 20 April 2017 review of submission by 223.104.38.188 ==
{{Lafc|username=223.104.38.188|ts=23:04:55, 20 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

Do you know how scammy the page would look if she posted hundreds of articles you can see for the subject when you do a Google or Baidu search?? Come on. Be sensible.

== 09:14:06, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 64.88.227.140 ==
{{Lafc|username=64.88.227.140|ts=09:14:06, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

I know about MEAT and this is not MEAT. Im pretty sure this subject even wrote a domain name decision involving Wikipedia, and I am trying to find it.

== 21:56:11, 21 April 2017 review of submission by 123.211.76.48 ==
{{Lafc|username=123.211.76.48|ts=21:56:11, 21 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

This article looks better with more references included. Thank you.

== 04:00:59, 23 April 2017 review of submission by 49.197.187.175 ==
{{Lafc|username=49.197.187.175|ts=04:00:59, 23 April 2017|declined=Draft:Matthew_A._Murphy}}

There are lots more articles to add.

== 15:31:04, 30 April 2017 review of submission by Neram4 ==
{{Lafc|username=Neram4|ts=15:31:04, 30 April 2017|declined=Draft:Merin_Gregory}}

Merin Gregory is a well known playback singer n malayalam movie winner who was the title winner of idea star singer.
She is even listed in Imdb aswell.
Link : http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8720964/

She had sang many superhit songs in malayalam.

Please confirm this Wikipedia page.

Thank You

== popular choreographer mentioned in other news sites ==

Sir, Sajna Najam is a popular choreographer at South India in Kerala. Information of a good choreographer like this deserves to be included in this encyclopedia and is an important part of Malayalam cinema industry. In Wikipedia pages for Movies section the name of Choreographer has no space for inputting. That's why it seems to be missing. If else it would have been added. And she is similar to another popular choreographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_(choreographer)

Please include this information about Sajna Najam and pls avoid any situation of deleting it from data base as many people will surely look for these details.

Detailed information about it has been mentioned at many sites as follows.

http://metrovaartha.com/en/2015/08/24/experimental-dance-steps-of-a-housewife-that-proved/
http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/shes-got-the-moves/article6839021.ece
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/tv/ReadMore/8642/sajna-najam-on-filmy-choreography/

== 15:34:37, 24 May 2017 review of submission by 171.49.189.97 ==
{{Lafc|username=171.49.189.97|ts=15:34:37, 24 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

As a contributor to Wikipedia, I feel that the article meets all the requirements of a Wikipedia article particularly neutrality and notability.

There are no opinions or promotional statements in the article.
On the contrary, it provides a holistic picture of an organisation in the Power electronic sector in India.
I have revised the article once again.

Kindly advise ways in which I can improve this article, as I have feel the article is objective and only enlightens a reader of an Indian organisation in the power quality space.

== 15:20:50, 28 May 2017 review of submission by 122.174.181.157 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.181.157|ts=15:20:50, 28 May 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
Have included the references as per the link you shared,
Is there anything that can be added?

== Hello i have a question ==

== 17:21:45, 1 June 2017 review of submission by 122.174.127.41 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.174.127.41|ts=17:21:45, 1 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello,
As per your suggestions, I have modified the article.

Can you please provide your inputs?

== 15:17:53, 6 June 2017 review of submission by 122.164.208.137 ==
{{Lafc|username=122.164.208.137|ts=15:17:53, 6 June 2017|declined=Draft:Consul_Neowatt}}

Hello Theroadislong,
I have modified the article.
Can you move it to the article space if it's fine?

Thanks

== Look no offense buddy.. ==

This firm used wikipedia to sow the seeds of civil war, dissent and racial division in my country..You should let the edit stay around for 10 minutes at least..Fuck Bell Pottinger! Fuck the corrupt fucks in charge of our state now.. We love you though! ;) And expect every client of the PR company to be edited, along with the companies page..I am one of millions of angry fucks..

== Help ==

Can you please tell what should I do to improve. I am new here

== Smiley ==

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== Hello ==

Hello, Theroadislong!
Thank you for your advice about my article. This helped me understand some of my mistakes. If You do not mind, could You review the new edits to this article. Is everything in my article correct? I wish you every success in your career.Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vagif_Ibrahimov

== Gabrielle Blunt. ==

Please stop vandalising the page of Gabrielle Blunt. She died on 10th June 2014 and not on any other date, including on the date you continue to add. The Stage source is wrong. If you check this out properly, you can see that the death had already been announced in the June, so it is actually impossible she died in the August.
:I would be very happy to change this for you, BUT you have never supplied a source? and now you are blocked for sock puppetry again. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:: Please assume good faith, removing unreferenced content is NOT vandalism. I have found a book [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=11diCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=Gabrielle+Blunt+died&source=bl&ots=s1fMmxss0l&sig=YviGWwujQnAItT07JiNLY8v4otI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi358aG7PLWAhWDJMAKHQdVClwQ6AEIbDAP#v=onepage&q=Gabrielle%20Blunt%20died&f=false]which gives the date of death as 30 June 2014, so I have changed it to this in the article. The only source for 10th June is IMDb which is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

No. The Stage has updated its page after I telephoned them with a complaint that it was wrong (6th August). It now shows the correct date of death: 10th June. [[Special:Contributions/84.226.15.121|84.226.15.121]] ([[User talk:84.226.15.121|talk]]) 08:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
:and why are YOU a reliable source for her death???? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Not only am I in the industry, I am also close to the people concerned. And in this case I knew this actress personally as well.
Please just leave the flipping date of death alone. She died on 10th June. I wish she didn't, but she did. All other sources stating 30th June and 6th August are wrong and are simply copying other sites which are wrong. [[Special:Contributions/84.226.15.121|84.226.15.121]] ([[User talk:84.226.15.121|talk]]) 09:05, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
::I changed the date of death inline with your reference, you are now edit warring to remove it????? [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 09:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

== Question about Draft:Fractal Visuals ==

Hi I am new to Wikipedia and trying to understand how to establish notability. In the Draft: Fractal Visuals article doesn't the fact that the tweet coming from a reputable source like the Moody College of Communication from University of Texas official account allow it to be used as a credible source? Thanks!

== Richard... ==

I reported both, but got this response: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrator_intervention_against_vandalism&type=revision&diff=806811759&oldid=806811466 here] I quit for the night. Cheers [[User:Jim1138|Jim1138]] ([[User talk:Jim1138|talk]]) 09:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

== Such lovely folk one encounters here... ==

Many thanks for reverting that delightful gentleman on my talkpage last night! [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] [[User talk:Yunshui|雲]][[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]] 07:51, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
:You're welcome.[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:10, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

== COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT! Speedy Deletion! why? ==

Dear Wikipedia I noted the warning you have placed on the article 'Phillip Leo', first of all, this is NOT an infringement of copyright because the 'Islandah Radio biography' was given to them by myself, and I was not aware they were going to put this up on their site. The owner was very kind and supporting to the artist Phillip Leo and put his biography up on their website as a supporting gesture.
To say that the artist is not notable is crazy because all you have to do is put the name into google search and you will see this artist has been in his profession over 30 years now. I can't help feeling a little unfairness is occurring here, I would appreciate if you could be a little more supportive to article creators, instead of the constant criticism of notability. I do understand there are guidelines to wikipedia entries and I will do my best to keep to them.
May I request that you do not delete the article as I have now explained why the 'Islandah biography is very similar.

Thank you

PEP
:The content on https://islandahradio.com/biography/ clearly states "Copyright Islandah Radio, All Rights Reserved 2013" at the bottom of the page. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 06:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]], so you will see this user and I assume their IP address has got into an edit war about this information as well as they keep removing the deletion tab. I have reported them [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Pep67_reported_by_User:NZ_Footballs_Conscience_.28Result:_.29|here]]. They have also been explained [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Articles_keep_being_deleted|here]] why it appears the copyright information shows on the other website first. I don't want to keep reverting them at this stage and was just going to let the Admin report sort it out. [[User:NZ Footballs Conscience|NZFC]][[User talk:NZ Footballs Conscience|(talk)]] 02:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

== Removed information ==

Dear Wikipedia

Also can you kindly put back the biography information, this was after all compiled by myself, there's no copyright infringement here.

Thank you
PEP

== One of your lambs has gone astray, baa baa ==

[[PlayStation 5]] Creator moved it out. I moved it back. Creator moved it out. Still has a draft tag on it. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 13:40, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

== 11:29:32, 27 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=11:29:32, 27 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

I'm asking for re reviewing this page based on the fact that
I'm the first person in Russia who made snowboard
and Gromel snowboard is the first company in Russia who made snowboards on commercial bases
from 1988 till 1993 when company was sold.
This information based on 4
patent's of innovation (numbers attached)
several magazine articles (attached)
internet publications (attached)
I have provided many links
proving that fact
Currently I'm the only company in Ohio making boards.

Why articles about
Donec snowboards
K2 snowboards
exist in Wekipedia
but Gromel snowboards where denied????

== Paid editing on [[Razoo (company)]] ==

Hi I saw you tagged the above article as having a paid contributor. It certainly doesn't surprise me but how did you know ? [[User:Domdeparis|Domdeparis]] ([[User talk:Domdeparis|talk]]) 11:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:Linda Gerhardt (Community Engagement Specialist at Razoo) is editing using her own name [https://www.linkedin.com/in/linda-gerhardt-3312b1102/]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Ah OK I thought that there was something onwiki that I had missed. Cheers [[User:Domdeparis|Domdeparis]] ([[User talk:Domdeparis|talk]]) 12:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Carlile Transportation article ==

How is it promotional in tone? Also, it is notable. Four seasons as part of a major television series... I guess you've never watched '''[[Ice Road Truckers]]'''?[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 14:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:Sentences like “Over the next 24 years, they established themselves as one of the premier transport companies for oil exploration” and “earning international recognition beyond their service areas.” are extremely promotional. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Did you read it in context with the next paragraph? That 30% carriage of Prudhoe cargo doesn't come without a lot of hard work, on the part of management and the drivers, to establish a base of trust with clients as well as their own support network. If you hold that standard, you could say that about EVERY company article here![[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 17:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:It's not my standard, it is Wikipedias standard, if you link to any other articles that use that language I will tag them also. Please read [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]] This policy is non-negotiable, and the [[#History|principles]] upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
So? If you find that somehow wrong, comment out the "offending" language or rewrite it.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 18:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Your re-write still uses the exact same promotional language and is not supported by the sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Did you even read the source I addd in the rewrite?[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]])
:Yes. If you want a second opinion I suggest you ask at the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:55, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:::If there are any articles that need semi protection and I'm about, do feel free to ping me. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 18:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Article Biography, Not Copy & Pasted ==

Dear Theraodislong

I did not copy and paste my article from Islandah Radio's website, actually it happened the other way around, this biography was put together by myself, also I've adjusted it slightly so no more confusion can arise, (this article is no infringing on any copyright laws, it's a totally original biography)

Thank you
PEP

== Accidentally edited my article logged out ==

Dear Theroadislong

You are correct I did edit not logged in, this was a mistake on my part, I thought I was logged in, if you look you will see I logged in immediately afterwards. Will check properly next time.

Cheers

PEP

== [[Draft:Polar Industries]] ==

I have two independent reliable sources. That qualifies as multiple.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 18:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
:The first is merely a listing and not in-depth, the second one is excellent, if you could find three or four more like that. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 18:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I've only been able to find two, but both go further in depth.[[Special:Contributions/184.166.187.64|184.166.187.64]] ([[User talk:184.166.187.64|talk]]) 19:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
::Great...I'll leave it for another reviewer to decide. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Copied and pasted? ==

Dear Theroadislong

Again I will state to you this article was not copied from this website, I am the original writer of this article (which is now under CC license also). Don't mean to sound rude but instead of constantly commenting on copying and pasting, I would however be grateful for some constructive advice on how to really improve this article.

Thank you

PEP
:Please add [[WP:RS|reliable independent sources]] your content has no references, you may have written the original content but it still needs a source. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:09, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sources for information ==

Dear Theroadislong

I just added a citation from the BBC which I think is a reliable source of information, but someone has just removed it.
Was there a reason for this?

PEP
:You are still not signing your posts, I removed the content because the source was content copied from Wikipedia by the BBC and Wikipedia is not a reliable source. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== Sources of information ==

Dear Theroadislong

Sorry I've just seen your signature message, this is why I'm sending this message again.
I just added a citation from the BBC which I thought was a reliable source of information, but someone has just removed it. Was there a reason for this?

PEP--[[User:Pep67|Pep67]] ([[User talk:Pep67|talk]]) 21:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

== 05:24:04, 28 October 2017 review of submission by 2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50 ==
{{Lafc|username=2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:B8DC:EE42:13AE:1B50|ts=05:24:04, 28 October 2017|declined=Draft:Gromel_snowboards}}

Ser
sorry for being Lille bit ruff in conversation
But your almost immediate review made me little bit worried!
I have question
Once you reviewed the article about Gromel snowboards
did you pay attention on paragraph 7

'''7 Patents From 1988 to 1995 Ostatnigrosh and Melnikov registered four snurfer and snowboard patents. Aleksey Ostanigrosh holds Russian Patents, #1391670 (link 17), dated 04/30/1988, #1584971 (link 18), #1584972 (link 19) dated 8/15/1990. Aleksey Ostanigrosh and Alexei Melnikov hold Russian Patents #2030196 (link 20) dated 03/10/1995
'''
Ser. Did you had the chance to look at these patents?
I do not know if you have enough knowledge of Russian language or you need some translation?
Any way here is short translation for you, just in case.
This paragraph has numbers for different 4 patents two of them I have for snurfer modifications
One for invention of rotating snowboard bindings
and last one me and my Friend Aleksey Melnikov for snowdoard production technology
our patents are first in USSR-RUSSIA for that king sporting goods
You are welcome to do a search if you want.
We have an priority on them. It is proven by patent date and patent numbers
I bed you know how it works.
Ser it is not some publication in news paper or some links in Internet social media
it is an official State Documents with dates and numbers These patents are holding our position as first people who made snowboard in USSR-RUSSIA
and create first Snowboard production company in USSR-RUSSIA
If you want to proof it wrong , go for it!

== Editing of the page krishna ==

Please give me the reasons as to why you considered the changes I made to the page krishna on Wikipedia as not being neutral. My views are purely based on ancient scriptures without any bias, the most considerable being the Bhagwad Geeta.
:You added " He is the unborn, begginingless and infinite supreme lord who is both the origin and the dissolution of this cosmic manifestation. His form is both presented and unpresented. The five elements ie. air, water, Earth, fire and sky are his manifestations. He is the father and the mother of this universe. Like the mighty wind is always present in the sky, all created beings rest upon him. Although as the supreme lord, he is everywhere and everything rests upon him but he is not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for his self is the source of all creation." instead of the simpler neutral "a major deity in [[Hinduism]]. He is worshiped as the eighth [[avatar]] of the god [[Vishnu]] and also as the supreme [[God]] in his own right" please discuss on the article's talk page if you think it needs to change. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:29, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour ==

Hi Theroadislong,
Could you please help me to delete this page that I created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alireza_Kazemipour. Actually the farsi page was available and I tried to create English version but I couldn't find resources. There is another user who has created the exsiting Frasi page, he will create the English page. So I prefer just delete one I have built, then that would be easier for him. Would you please delete this draft page or let me know how can I do that?
Regards
Solmaz

== Draft: Liam Goligher ==

You gave me a number of suggestions which I am working on. I apologize, but I am used to writing for business (Fortune 500 companies, for example) where one has to make things interesting, so my style was off. I have cut it down as you suggested.

It will take time to address some, because I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. How do I save my work. My only option seems to be RESUBMIT and I know it is not yet ready.

1. Surely the NY Times is not the only kind of news outlet of significance. It may depend on the field. In this case, Christianity Today is the most significant news outlet, with tens of millions of readers in both print and online and many more browsers, of course. In psychology it would be something else. There is one major citation from that news outlet. Dr. Goligher has kicked off probably the biggest Debate within conservative American Christianity in at least 60 years. Hardly insignificant.
;Wikipedia requires indepth coverage in multiple [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].[[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

2. I am having trouble with a photo of Dr. Goligher. We were provided a current photo from his church, as I would think is appropriate. Apparently they put a copyright on it. How do we get around that?
:We don't get around that, either take a photograph yourself and upload it or leave the article without one. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
3. Many of the links are, as you noted to other Wiki articles. Dr. Goligher has connections with dozens of people and organizations which already have Wiki pages. In addition to citations, there seem to be links based on phrases and keywords which change color when a person runs the cursor over them. Dozens of my citations can be replaced by those. How does one do that?
:This has been shown to you on the draft article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
4. How does one deal with bound copies of sets of CDs and MP3 which do not have ISBN numbers? These are as important teaching tools as his books, I would guess even more so. At just one major conference of a major Christian denomination, 600 people grabbed up the first set. Much important information is now being shared orally, via such sets.

5. I hear that there is software that takes the ISBN number and creates the entry for books. Do I have to do that, or does it happen automatically?

As you can see. I am not ready to resubmit, but I am working on it. So how do I save my work?
:When you are in edit mode there is a large blue save changes button click it. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 10:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for any help. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 04:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Please accept my apology, I did not mean to include soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia. Would you please show me examples of these being included, so I know not to include them in my edits again. Thank you

Ok thank you, I will add references to the article.
:For example "a creative performance and painting artist with a unique style of work combining performance, painting and music" and " has drawn international acclaim for her provocative, powerful and bold works." and "Amos’ dramatic work is her understanding of the human condition, a response to the world around her and with an underlying narrative of her life and experiences." are promotional and not neutral tone and unreferenced. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I talked to the reviewer. The problem is that Liam Goligher practices Christian humility to a fault. He suggested that we create a 'stub' of what we can verify and get that much out there. I think that is appropriate. More sources will come forward, I expect. He is too much in the limelight. I'll follow the reviewer's guidance. [[User:M-Lee-T|M-Lee-T]] ([[User talk:M-Lee-T|talk]]) 18:55, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Hi
I'm contacting you third time truing to find out reason why gromel snowboards article was denied
May you please write me an explanation why it it happen.

my email
[email protected]

Thanks.
:As the decline reason says at [[Draft:Gromel snowboards]] the submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 14:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

I understand that you are ignoring me
So
According to my knowledge You just are not doing your job
I will have contact company headquarters
and discuss your style of work — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:30, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 
:We are all volunteers here it is NOT my job! You are being paid to write an article about your company. I feel no desire to help you. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== gromel snowboards ==

Sorry
I could not find your respond
I was thinking you are ignoring me

I will contact headquarters and now
and the return to our discussion — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 04:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

== gromel snowboards ==

I did contact headquarters and aborted
My previous request

Sorry for misunderstanding
your respond was attached to my question it is why I could not find it in the beginning.

So
I can write more information about the subject
May you please send me some article that I can use as an example
Also
As I mentioned before in my "angry" letter We do have 4 patents
To me document officially provided by State are independent sources
Also we have provide number of links on Internet and runet

Our goal was writing in encyclopedia that we are first company in USSR - Russia who build snowboard
and still making this product here in USA being american company of course for 10 years now

Please look at these articles
and let me know where exactly gromel snowboards draft needs to be corrected
and I will certainly do that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donek_Snowboards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTB_(company)

Thanks
Aleksey — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57|2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57]] ([[User talk:2607:FCC8:FCC3:9700:43A:1367:3E2F:9B57#top|talk]]) 05:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC) 

==hello==
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am concerned about retribution for asking questions

You found my other account by my e-mail address correct? [[User:Lowlowprofile|Lowlowprofile]] ([[User talk:Lowlowprofile|talk]]) 14:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

you look like a nice guy :)
:I think you should assume good faith, the editor you are accusing of retribution is very well respected and would do no such thing. Your edit history is available to view by anyone. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== 749 ==

drat. will i never catch you? -- [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 16:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
:ha haa it's not a race. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

Hi, I see you marked my page for deletion. It would help if you said why, rather than waste my time. I've got a decade of experience in the area of kettlebells and trying to contribute, but just deleting stuff doesn't help or anyone else. What is the user page for if not for what I posted? I'm trying to keep it short without advertising, just displaying the reason why my edits and contributions are valuable. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 08:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:{{u|Taco fleur}}, an editor's user page is a place to tell about themselves, sure, but it's not a place to ''promote'' oneself. If I had to guess it would be the "missions" part of your userpage that is the issue, because it sounds like you're trying to sell something (even if you aren't). [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 11:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC) {{tps}}
:{{tps}} {{reply|Taco fleur}} quite. it definitely has a social media/webhost/nothing to do with editing wikipedia feel to it. You could look at our user pages for a better idea of content. [[Wikipedia:User page design center]] has information that can help you design a user page.
::For your information, Taco fleur offers [https://www.upwork.com/jobs/_~0134e2a2990933d2e2/ $100 on this website] for a recreation of the deleted page. --[[User:Shev123|Shev123]] ([[User talk:Shev123|talk]]) 17:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Taco Fleur has to offer money to people to help him understand what it is that Wikipedia EXACTLY wants to see, because he spends hours genuinely setting something up, which then gets deleted at the push of a button. While better content could be achieved if the person deleting stuff actually opens his eyes and looks a bit deeper, asks questions, communicates. Take my personal profile for example, I had no mention of brands, just my experience and what I wanted to do on wikipedia to help, which I understand is exactly what it needs to say, but still not good enough. Do I need to write a special tone that I just don't have??? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 

:::It would be easier for {{u|Taco fleur}} to just request it be undeleted so they can remove the garbage. Or simply recreate it from scratch; it's just a userpage. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 18:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|Taco fleur}} This page might help you [[Wikipedia:User page design center/About you]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Taco fleur}}, I think you'll find that ''most'' of the comments here have had indications of what you could do to improve the page. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 19:22, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I give up. Spend hours trying to get it to where it's suitable and someone just deleted it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Taco fleur|Taco fleur]] ([[User talk:Taco fleur#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taco fleur|contribs]]) 19:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Didn't see the timeframe, but the user page ''has'' been restored. Case closed? [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 00:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:You might want to take a look at [[Deletionpedia]], if you're looking to copy some information which was in the deleted article.--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== Hi! Please provide some further explanation regarding an edit you made to Afran Nisho. ==

I'm afraid that I didn't quite get why you removed the list of appearances in [[Afran Nisho]]. I'm guessing that it was because of a lack of sources. [[Talk:Afran_Nisho#Removal_of_list_of_appearances.|Relevant talk page section.]]--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 12:37, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
:I did explain in the edit summary. I removed the large list of appearances because it was unreferenced, I kept the few that were referenced even though they are not notable appearances. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 12:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
::Thank you!--[[User:Ilikerainandstorms|Ilikerainandstorms]] ([[User talk:Ilikerainandstorms|talk]]) 09:21, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto ==

Thanks for reviewing Draft:BredaPhoto so quickly and giving helpful feedback. I agree that it needs more work (notability, reliability, objectivity).
Mike — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mikemorrell49|Mikemorrell49]] ([[User talk:Mikemorrell49#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mikemorrell49|contribs]]) 14:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Q on reference source language ==

== 16:09:38, 3 November 2017 review of submission by Mikemorrell49 ==
{{Lafc|username=Mikemorrell49|ts=16:09:38, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:BredaPhoto}}

This is not a re-review just a question.
You recently reviewed the page Draft:BredaPhoto and your feedback on notability, reliability and objectivity was very helpful. Thanks for this! The BredaPhoto event is an international event both in terms of participating photographers and in terms of visitors. BredaPhoto is also mentioned in multiple English language Wikipedia articles about the city of Breda. For both reasons, I was asked to write an English language page on the history of BredaPhoto and the next event. I'm a volunteer for BredaPhoto and I've declared a possible COI on the talk page. I fully understand the requirement to refer to independent sources of information to confirm notabilty and reliabilty. There are independent sources (newspaper and magazine articles) for this page but most - if not all - are in Dutch. BredaPhoto is a more important topic to cover in the Netherlands than in the 'international' countries. So my question is: would Dutch language sources be valid as references for an English language Wikipedia page? If you could point me to a page where this question has already been answered, that would be fine too. I've not found an answer so far.
Mike
:Whilst English language references would be ideal, there is nothing to stop you using Dutch ones as long as they are reliable and independent. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 22:20:51, 3 November 2017 review of submission by VivaLaPandaz ==
{{Lafc|username=VivaLaPandaz|ts=22:20:51, 3 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bubbies_Fine_Foods}}

You rejected my submission commenting that too many of the references point to the company's own website. I have added additional references in the External links section, but should those instead be worked into the post content?
:Yes please... Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything said or published by Bubbies Fine Foods. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them: the article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

== 20:54:43, 4 November 2017 review of submission by BibianaG ==
{{Lafc|username=BibianaG|ts=20:54:43, 4 November 2017|declined=Draft:Bibiana_Goldenthal}}

Hello,
The person who's page i'm editing is my voice teacher.
She is an 84 year old woman, and has contributed much to the music world in her life.
Unfortunately, she is a modest person, and did not request much of her work published.
I have gathered from her newspaper clippings (some in hebrew and some in english), photos, and attributions from famous musicians and conductors.
All I wanted was for her to have a page on Wikipedia in her life time, but i just can't seem to get the editing right, and my page edit keeps being declined.
I would much appreciate a guideline to what kind of improvements my edit could have?
I have linked other sites where she is referenced. I have attached newspaper clipping mentioning her.
I've added pictured of her playing in an opera.
I even added some of her work to youtube!
She is already mentions in some page on this site (her students' pages),
but her page is still declined.

Please advice.
:The reference [http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Goldenthal-Bibiana.htm] is a good one. The photographs of newspaper cuttings are possibly useful if you know the date and title of the newspaper then they can also be used as a source. Any other newspaper articles would also help. Youtube is not considered a reliable source I'm afraid. Just find some more [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Please realise though that as you know her you have a conflict of interest. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
::Please NEVER copy and paste content from other pages though as you did from here [https://www.jamd.ac.il/en/content/bibiana-goldenthal] [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 21:34, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

==AfC==
I've accepted [:Josef Alois Ladurner]]. anyone with an entry on Grove is notable, even if the article is otherwise incomplete '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 07:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:Ok I wasn't able to verify any of the references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 08:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== [[Kingston University]] ==

Hi Theroadislong. I wrote [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Frenchbook&oldid=808849315#Your_edits_to_Kingston_University this message] on the talk page of the problematic editor after their latest revert. Within minutes, they blanked their whole talk page. Humph! I'm kind of assuming that if there weren't a ''significant'' COI, they wouldn't have done that. I'll keep an eye on the article and if they keep up the shenanigans and refuse to discuss on the talk page, I may take this to the [[WP:COIN|COI Noticeboard]]. Best, [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 16:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

== An article you have been editing is under discretionary sanctions ==

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== Request on 11:03:32, 6 November 2017 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Svenalamo ==
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Hi, I have edited the article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Alois_Ladurner
I believe the issues should be solved now. Could you please check and remove the copyright template?
Thanks!

[[User:Svenalamo|Svenalamo]] ([[User talk:Svenalamo|talk]]) 11:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
:It's the edit history that needs redacting and I am not an admin so can't do this. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 11:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

== Humans are apes ==

Hi there :)! You reverted my edit a while ago in [[Creation and evolution in public education|this article]]. I'm not going to edit war over something so tiny but I would like to point out that humans ''are'' apes descended from monkeys. Not only the respective articles say so, Richard Dawkins [http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm does too]. That change I made was not incorrect. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/145.90.81.46|145.90.81.46]] ([[User talk:145.90.81.46#top|talk]]) 16:31, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Thank you - Prof Askari Draft ==

Thank you for your comments. Really appreciated.
I am on the learning curve as formatting is not my expertise. Would you able to help me in referencing format as I made several errors doing it. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Syedahmerraza|Syedahmerraza]] ([[User talk:Syedahmerraza#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Syedahmerraza|contribs]]) 20:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC) 

== Disruptive Editing ==

Hi,

I work at Verve Records, specifically in the digital marketing department, and we have decided to switch the introduction paragraph to what I had edited based on the current state of our label. I would not consider this "disruptive editing," and if there are any problems please feel free to email me at [email protected] or [email protected].

Nick — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup]] ([[User talk:MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MeganMarkVerveLabelGroup|contribs]]) 20:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC) 
:Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything you want to say about your company. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. Sentences like “holds the world’s richest jazz catalogue and features seminal recordings from legendary artists” and “ recently expanded to scope newer artists while also keeping true to its roots” are just marketing puffery and certainly not acceptable in an encyclopaedia article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 20:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

== Agilsoft ==

I have taken out more pitchy comments and added some additional links to justify my claims. As a private company in a relatively small and emerging area, third party evaluations such as PC Magazine have been linked. However, there is less evaluation and third party content than with more traditional links. I have reduced the bios of the team as well. I would point out that roughly 2/3rds of the links are to non-Agiloft links. I merely pointed to Agiloft to justify claims they were making, which seem reasonable to me, e.g. pricing, money back guarantee, etc.

Please let me know if you have additional objections. I will fix them.

Alistair Davidson — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alistairdavidson|Alistairdavidson]] ([[User talk:Alistairdavidson#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alistairdavidson|contribs]]) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC) 
:As another reviewer has commented your draft [[Draft:Agilsoft]] Reads more like a press release, than a formal, neutral article. Linked in is never a good source and Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. The list of customers sourced to their own website needs to go as does the list of resellers and the team section none of this belongs in an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theroadislong|contribs]]) 10:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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== 16:13:33, 11 November 2017 review of submission by Wikidocs ==
{{Lafc|username=Wikidocs|ts=16:13:33, 11 November 2017|declined=Draft:Chris_Percival}}

Hello, could you please provide more details on what you would like to see on improvements? The awards are national and sponsored by international banks (Lloyd’s Bank), national newspapers (Telegraph) and reliable sources (Richtopia, Rise Global & Business Insider). The notability is also via entrepreneurial success and as a figurehead of public-interest brands, the subject represents the leader for notable names in music etc and is cited in related WP pages (without link to this subject, as this page does not currently exist). Public like to have access to details of these leaders and is seen widely on WP, and would link from related articles.

Sources are broad and include primary and secondary from national newspapers (broadsheet, tabloid) and national magazines and well respected business sources. Also from the likes of BT and Virgin.

It would be prudent to understand how you would like to see the article develop before approving it? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:None of the awards are notable in Wikipedia terms i.e. they don't have their own articles yet. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 16:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:: Ok, but another reviewer has just contradicted this by saying whether something else has an article or not is irrelevant? Still not sure on what you want me to do to improve it, as it’s not just about the awards and you’ve failed to address my other questions. — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikidocs|contribs]]) 16:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC) 
:::I have removed a lot of puffery and non neutral tone content, so it's easier to see what we have left. I think it still needs some more reliable sources which aren't local press release types or interviews and if you have a connection with the article's subject you should declare it on your user page. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 17:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::Hi, thanks for your input and help. I’ve no connection other than being a fan of one of his artists signed to Jigsaw Records (which why I’ve got an interest in his background which I think should be shared publicly). I’ll try and find more sources and add them in. [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

::::: I’ve now added in several further sources from various origins, along with some further relevant information which I found on the way. Hopefully, you will now agree there are sufficient sources and that the article can be approved? Thank you for your help with editing it too, really appriciate it.[[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 18:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

:::::: More edits have been made and an image added from Wiki Commons which was on file. Look forward to hearing your views on the additional sources. Hopefully this is now acceptable? [[User:Wikidocs|Wikidocs]] ([[User talk:Wikidocs|talk]]) 23:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== FTB LLC ==

Hi Theroadislong. My submission was just denied and I am interested in learning the specifics as to why so I can improve. I have listed multiple articles about the company that support its notability in External Links. The company has published multiple books, some by well-known authors. In looking at other small publishing company pages, I see they have less information than my article and were approved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macleay_Press and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryphon_Publications). Can you please help me understand? Thanks in advance!
[[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 19:14, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:Your article [[Draft:Fig Tree Books LLC]] was declined because Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As far as I can see none of your references are about the company? It may be that some of the many external links could be used as references instead. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::The two other publisher articles you list [[Macleay Press]] and [[Gryphon_Publications]] are VERY poor quality and should probably be listed for deletion. There are many poor quality articles on Wikipedia, created when standards were lower. See [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 19:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks for your reply. There are four articles featuring the company from The Times of Israel, Foreword Reviews, Shelf Awareness, and Lilith. I moved them out of the External Links section into a Notes section to make them more accessible and the page more organized. I also added a book award to The Sea Beach Line. Would you mind looking again? Sincerely appreciate. [[User:StephenAdams|StephenAdams]] ([[User talk:StephenAdams|talk]]) 22:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Is there any content in the links that can be used in the article then they can be added as references. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

== Kaleshwaram Project ==

Hi, what is a acceptable reference? — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sanzczar|Sanzczar]] ([[User talk:Sanzczar#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanzczar|contribs]]) 22:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC) 
:You have added 5 references that look like they might be suitable, but the Wikipedia links are not required you have already used them in the article. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong#top|talk]]) 22:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)