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Psychonaut: Non-specific criticism removed; feel free to discuss at Talk:List of metaphor-based metaheuristics

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Non-specific criticism removed; feel free to discuss at Talk:List of metaphor-based metaheuristics

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	:: I do wish to make a case for why it probably shouldn't be kept: I think this particular algorithm has generated a few more citations than the [[firefly algorithm]] because it has been around for a few years longer. To me it appears that a certain group of researchers in this field has just become very good at gaming the [[h-index]] system (take an existing algorithm, tweak the metaphor, write a Wikipedia article, publish a bunch of "applications" in journals run by that same group, repeat), so I'd be very careful about equating the number of citations Google Scholar reports with notability.		:: I do wish to make a case for why it probably shouldn't be kept: I think this particular algorithm has generated a few more citations than the [[firefly algorithm]] because it has been around for a few years longer. To me it appears that a certain group of researchers in this field has just become very good at gaming the [[h-index]] system (take an existing algorithm, tweak the metaphor, write a Wikipedia article, publish a bunch of "applications" in journals run by that same group, repeat), so I'd be very careful about equating the number of citations Google Scholar reports with notability.
	:: I do not immediately see the difference between this algorithm and [[ant colony optimization]], which has been around for quite a bit longer. I do not, unfortunately, posses a reliable source that I could use to criticize this algorithm in the article on this point. (This is the whole problem with all these metaheuristics, the junk gets published at a faster rate than could be dubunked by the good scientists.) —''[[User:Ruud Koot\|Ruud]]'' 13:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)		:: I do not immediately see the difference between this algorithm and [[ant colony optimization]], which has been around for quite a bit longer. I do not, unfortunately, posses a reliable source that I could use to criticize this algorithm in the article on this point. (This is the whole problem with all these metaheuristics, the junk gets published at a faster rate than could be dubunked by the good scientists.) —''[[User:Ruud Koot\|Ruud]]'' 13:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

			== Criticism ==

			I have removed the boilerplate criticism section that appeared in the lede of this article (and in many others), which appears in more or less the same form at [[List of metaphor-based metaheuristics]]. Since I have made similar removals or replacements on other pages, if anyone has an issue with this one, it's best to start an omnibus discussion at [[Talk:List of metaphor-based metaheuristics]]. —[[User:Psychonaut\|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut\|talk]]) 19:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Ruud Koot: gr.

2016-07-19T13:49:14Z

gr.

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	:: {{ping\|Michaelmalak}} This is a [[WP:PROD\|proposed deletion]], so you may simply remove the tag if you disagree.		:: {{ping\|Michaelmalak}} This is a [[WP:PROD\|proposed deletion]], so you may simply remove the tag if you disagree.
	:: I do wish to make a case for why it probably shouldn't be kept: I think this particular algorithm has generated a few more citations than the [[firefly algorithm]] because it has been around for a few years longer. To me it appears that a certain group of researchers in this field has just become very good at gaming the [[h-index]] system (take an existing algorithm, tweak the metaphor, write a Wikipedia article, publish a bunch of "applications" in journals run by that same group, repeat), so I'd be very careful about equating the number of citations Google Scholar reports with notability.		:: I do wish to make a case for why it probably shouldn't be kept: I think this particular algorithm has generated a few more citations than the [[firefly algorithm]] because it has been around for a few years longer. To me it appears that a certain group of researchers in this field has just become very good at gaming the [[h-index]] system (take an existing algorithm, tweak the metaphor, write a Wikipedia article, publish a bunch of "applications" in journals run by that same group, repeat), so I'd be very careful about equating the number of citations Google Scholar reports with notability.
	:: I ~~don't~~ immediately see the difference between this algorithm and [[ant colony optimization]], which has been around for quite a bit longer. I do not, unfortunately, posses a reliable source that I could use to criticize this algorithm in the article on this point. (This is the whole problem with all these metaheuristics, the junk gets published at a faster rate than could be dubunked by the good scientists.) —''[[User:Ruud Koot\|Ruud]]'' 13:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)		:: I do not immediately see the difference between this algorithm and [[ant colony optimization]], which has been around for quite a bit longer. I do not, unfortunately, posses a reliable source that I could use to criticize this algorithm in the article on this point. (This is the whole problem with all these metaheuristics, the junk gets published at a faster rate than could be dubunked by the good scientists.) —''[[User:Ruud Koot\|Ruud]]'' 13:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruud Koot: /* Deletion proposal */ re

2016-07-19T13:47:21Z

Deletion proposal: re

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	* Guided Randomness in Optimization by Maurice Clerc; Wiley [https://books.google.com/books?id=qFE1CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA39]		* Guided Randomness in Optimization by Maurice Clerc; Wiley [https://books.google.com/books?id=qFE1CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA39]
	[[User:Michaelmalak\|Michaelmalak]] ([[User talk:Michaelmalak\|talk]]) 13:21, 17 July 2016 (UTC)		[[User:Michaelmalak\|Michaelmalak]] ([[User talk:Michaelmalak\|talk]]) 13:21, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

			:: {{ping\|Michaelmalak}} This is a [[WP:PROD\|proposed deletion]], so you may simply remove the tag if you disagree.
			:: I do wish to make a case for why it probably shouldn't be kept: I think this particular algorithm has generated a few more citations than the [[firefly algorithm]] because it has been around for a few years longer. To me it appears that a certain group of researchers in this field has just become very good at gaming the [[h-index]] system (take an existing algorithm, tweak the metaphor, write a Wikipedia article, publish a bunch of "applications" in journals run by that same group, repeat), so I'd be very careful about equating the number of citations Google Scholar reports with notability.
			:: I don't immediately see the difference between this algorithm and [[ant colony optimization]], which has been around for quite a bit longer. I do not, unfortunately, posses a reliable source that I could use to criticize this algorithm in the article on this point. (This is the whole problem with all these metaheuristics, the junk gets published at a faster rate than could be dubunked by the good scientists.) —''[[User:Ruud Koot\|Ruud]]'' 13:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Michaelmalak: /* Deletion proposal */ new section

2016-07-17T13:21:17Z

Deletion proposal: new section

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	==Context wrt: similar work==		==Context wrt: similar work==
	This article would be improved if ABC could be explained explicitly in the body of the text, wrt: [[gradient descent]], [[swarm intelligence]], [[Bees algorithm]] and [[particle swarm optimisation]]. [[User:Leondz\|Leondz]] ([[User talk:Leondz\|talk]]) 11:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)		This article would be improved if ABC could be explained explicitly in the body of the text, wrt: [[gradient descent]], [[swarm intelligence]], [[Bees algorithm]] and [[particle swarm optimisation]]. [[User:Leondz\|Leondz]] ([[User talk:Leondz\|talk]]) 11:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

			== Deletion proposal ==

			I didn't see a separate page to discuss the proposed deletion.

			While I agree there are too many pages on the metaheuristic optimization stuff, Artificial Bee Colony seems to have even more support than Firefly. I recommend that Artificial Bee Colony be one of the pages to '''keep'''. It has 17,400 results on Google Scholar [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=%22artificial+bee+colony%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,6] and a number of books searching for "artificial bee colony" intitle:optimization [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22artificial+bee+colony%22+intitle:optimization&num=10#q=%22artificial+bee+colony%22+intitle:optimization&safe=active&tbm=bks&start=0] including:
			* Evolutionary Optimization Algorithms by Dan Simon; Wiley [https://books.google.com/books?id=gwUwIEPqk30C&pg=PR14]
			* Extremal Optimization: Fundamentals, Algorithms, and Applications by Yong-Zai Lu, Yu-Wang Chen, Min-Rong Chen, Peng Chen, Guo-Qiang Zeng; CRC Press [https://books.google.com/books?id=yQvYCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA150]
			* Advances in Bio-inspired Computing for Combinatorial Optimization Problems by Camelia-Mihaela Pintea; Springer [https://books.google.com/books?id=TWBEAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA7]
			* Computational Intelligence Paradigms for Optimization Problems Using MATLAB®/SIMULINK® by S. Sumathi, L. Ashok Kumar, Surekha. P; CRC Press [https://books.google.com/books?id=xj00CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA77]
			* Guided Randomness in Optimization by Maurice Clerc; Wiley [https://books.google.com/books?id=qFE1CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA39]
			[[User:Michaelmalak\|Michaelmalak]] ([[User talk:Michaelmalak\|talk]]) 13:21, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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Leondz: assess. needs context

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assess. needs context

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	The article at http://s.i-techonline.com/Book/Swarm-Intelligence/ISBN978-3-902613-09-7-swi08.pdf does a great job of summarizing the variations on this algorithm. In fact BCO and ABC are different algorithms developed by different parties, but as the previous poster remarked, the end result is pretty much identical. The articles should probably be merged to talk about both variations in a single article based on the analysis put forth by the linked article. [[Special:Contributions/192.136.15.186\|192.136.15.186]] ([[User talk:192.136.15.186\|talk]]) 20:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)		The article at http://s.i-techonline.com/Book/Swarm-Intelligence/ISBN978-3-902613-09-7-swi08.pdf does a great job of summarizing the variations on this algorithm. In fact BCO and ABC are different algorithms developed by different parties, but as the previous poster remarked, the end result is pretty much identical. The articles should probably be merged to talk about both variations in a single article based on the analysis put forth by the linked article. [[Special:Contributions/192.136.15.186\|192.136.15.186]] ([[User talk:192.136.15.186\|talk]]) 20:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

			==Context wrt: similar work==
			This article would be improved if ABC could be explained explicitly in the body of the text, wrt: [[gradient descent]], [[swarm intelligence]], [[Bees algorithm]] and [[particle swarm optimisation]]. [[User:Leondz\|Leondz]] ([[User talk:Leondz\|talk]]) 11:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Ruud Koot: {{WikiProject Computer science}}

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	Is this the same as [[Bees algorithm]]? [[User:Andreas Kaufmann\|Andreas Kaufmann]] ([[User talk:Andreas Kaufmann\|talk]]) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)		Is this the same as [[Bees algorithm]]? [[User:Andreas Kaufmann\|Andreas Kaufmann]] ([[User talk:Andreas Kaufmann\|talk]]) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Tony1: moved Talk:Artificial Bee Colony Algorithm to Talk:Artificial bee colony algorithm

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