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	*Here, the website promotes the conspiracy theory that a secret cabal of Jews and Hindus were behind the [[2008 Mumbai attacks]][http://www.countercurrents.org/misra031208.htm][http://www.countercurrents.org/khan070110.htm].[[Special:Contributions/59.160.210.68\|59.160.210.68]] ([[User talk:59.160.210.68\|talk]]) 14:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)		*Here, the website promotes the conspiracy theory that a secret cabal of Jews and Hindus were behind the [[2008 Mumbai attacks]][http://www.countercurrents.org/misra031208.htm][http://www.countercurrents.org/khan070110.htm].[[Special:Contributions/59.160.210.68\|59.160.210.68]] ([[User talk:59.160.210.68\|talk]]) 14:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
	: if you think use of [http://www.countercurrents.org/ countercurrents.org] as [[WP:RS\|Reliable Source]] is objectionable then you can complaint to admin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Abecedare Abecedare] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpacemanSpiff SpacemanSpiff]. currently you can't remove fact tags as such. --[[User:Onef9day\|Onef9day]] ([[User talk:Onef9day\|talk]]) 14:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)		: if you think use of [http://www.countercurrents.org/ countercurrents.org] as [[WP:RS\|Reliable Source]] is objectionable then you can complaint to admin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Abecedare Abecedare] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpacemanSpiff SpacemanSpiff]. currently you can't remove fact tags as such. --[[User:Onef9day\|Onef9day]] ([[User talk:Onef9day\|talk]]) 14:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
	::lol woopiepedia is full of third world Indian leftist garbage if it links to genocidal liars and violent racists such as the third-world shit-mongers of "countercurrents.org". Unlike you woopiepedia losers, I actually have a job and a life and do not have time to waste touting loser leftist propaganda on trashopedia. Keep your countercurrents.org link if you want. It only serves to destroy whatever little credibility woopiepedia had to begin with.[[Special:Contributions/59.160.210.68\|59.160.210.68]] ([[User talk:59.160.210.68\|talk]]) 14:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

	== madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras ==		== madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras ==

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	:I am in agreement with [[User:Richard-of-Earth]] and [[User:Georgethedragonslayer]]. The [[Madras Presidency]] was the former name of a province in colonial India that covered what are now many southern Indian states including Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka. Just as the word ''Punjabi'' is used as a demonym for someone from the [[Punjab Province (British India)\|Punjab Province]] (which includes what is now the Pakistani province of Punjab and the Indian states of Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh), the word ''Madrasi'' has been used to describe a person from the Madras Presidency, i.e. southern India. When most people use the word ''Madrasi'', they do not use it pejoratively, but use it to mean someone from the region of southern India. I hope this helps. With regards, [[User:Anupam\|Anupam]]<sup>[[User talk:Anupam\|Talk]]</sup> 01:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)		:I am in agreement with [[User:Richard-of-Earth]] and [[User:Georgethedragonslayer]]. The [[Madras Presidency]] was the former name of a province in colonial India that covered what are now many southern Indian states including Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka. Just as the word ''Punjabi'' is used as a demonym for someone from the [[Punjab Province (British India)\|Punjab Province]] (which includes what is now the Pakistani province of Punjab and the Indian states of Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh), the word ''Madrasi'' has been used to describe a person from the Madras Presidency, i.e. southern India. When most people use the word ''Madrasi'', they do not use it pejoratively, but use it to mean someone from the region of southern India. I hope this helps. With regards, [[User:Anupam\|Anupam]]<sup>[[User talk:Anupam\|Talk]]</sup> 01:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

			::That's simply not the case in its modern usage. The word "madrasi" almost always is used pejoratively, and is definitely different from terms such as "punjabi". "Most mainland Indians see it [chinki] as an "endearing" nickname akin to the usage of madrasi for South Indians. People however must realise that neither term is endearing and in fact symbolise "cultural rejection"."<ref>https://www.jstor.org/stable/48505096</ref>, "Second, madrasi is a term for cultural rejection used by one dominant cultural player against an equal opponent; it is cultural politics, not racial ideology, and both are equally poisonous."<ref>https://www.jstor.org/stable/23251789</ref>. Saying that the term Madrasi is equal to the term Punjabi is simply misleading and not true. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 02:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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	*:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)		*:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

			:I am in agreement with [[User:Richard-of-Earth]] and [[User:Georgethedragonslayer]]. The [[Madras Presidency]] was the former name of a province in colonial India that covered what are now many southern Indian states including Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka. Just as the word ''Punjabi'' is used as a demonym for someone from the [[Punjab Province (British India)\|Punjab Province]] (which includes what is now the Pakistani province of Punjab and the Indian states of Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh), the word ''Madrasi'' has been used to describe a person from the Madras Presidency, i.e. southern India. When most people use the word ''Madrasi'', they do not use it pejoratively, but use it to mean someone from the region of southern India. I hope this helps. With regards, [[User:Anupam\|Anupam]]<sup>[[User talk:Anupam\|Talk]]</sup> 01:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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	*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as slur. The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as slur. The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

	:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)		*:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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	*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as slur. The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as slur. The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

			:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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Richard-of-Earth: /* madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras */ c/e

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	::::It is being blown out of proportion by those who are not reliable sources on this subject. An allegation on a CEO on this 100s years old subject violates both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:UNDUE]]. See [[WP:NOTNEWS]] - raunchy news reports are unfit for an article where only [[WP:HISTRS]] work. Scholarly sources only say that "Madrassi" is a largely outdated demonym. Unless they state it otherwise there is no need to engage in revisionism. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::::It is being blown out of proportion by those who are not reliable sources on this subject. An allegation on a CEO on this 100s years old subject violates both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:UNDUE]]. See [[WP:NOTNEWS]] - raunchy news reports are unfit for an article where only [[WP:HISTRS]] work. Scholarly sources only say that "Madrassi" is a largely outdated demonym. Unless they state it otherwise there is no need to engage in revisionism. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

	*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as "slur". The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]]) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as slur. The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Richard-of-Earth: /* madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras */ o

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madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras: o

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	::::It is being blown out of proportion by those who are not reliable sources on this subject. An allegation on a CEO on this 100s years old subject violates both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:UNDUE]]. See [[WP:NOTNEWS]] - raunchy news reports are unfit for an article where only [[WP:HISTRS]] work. Scholarly sources only say that "Madrassi" is a largely outdated demonym. Unless they state it otherwise there is no need to engage in revisionism. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::::It is being blown out of proportion by those who are not reliable sources on this subject. An allegation on a CEO on this 100s years old subject violates both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:UNDUE]]. See [[WP:NOTNEWS]] - raunchy news reports are unfit for an article where only [[WP:HISTRS]] work. Scholarly sources only say that "Madrassi" is a largely outdated demonym. Unless they state it otherwise there is no need to engage in revisionism. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

			*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as "slur". The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re\| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth\|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth\|talk]]) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


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Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: /* madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras */ re

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	::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
			::::I used my sources merely to illustrate how mentioning the pejorative nature of the term is not undue weight, as well as to give an actual demonstration of the term in use. I do not, of course, propose including comments left on news articles on the Internet as reliable sources. However, your argument about BLP is not valid, because in this case the articles on Salil Parekh are not being used to determine if ''he actually said that'' - they are being used to prove that ''the term madrasi is, indeed, a slur''. In [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511 the NDTV source] it is openly clarified as being a slur, and the whistleblower reports in both [https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/who-are-these-madrasis-and-diva-on-infosys-board/article29768740.ece the Hindu BusinessLine] and [https://www.news18.com/news/india/infosys-says-probing-unethical-practices-after-complaint-by-employees-report-2354639.html at News18] show that it is a foregone conclusion that the term is offensive. Think, too - if it wasn't, why would there be a ruckus? If ''madrasi'' is just a demonym, why was Parekh being accused of saying it a controversy?
			::::The 'past 100 years of experts' don't affect the present usage of the term.
			::::In the meantime, {{u\|Georgethedragonslayer}}, I think [[WP:SFoD]] will interest you :) [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 14:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
	::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Georgethedragonslayer: /* madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras */

2020-12-20T11:13:51Z

madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras

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	::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
			:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

	::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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	::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
	:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
			::::I used my sources merely to illustrate how mentioning the pejorative nature of the term is not undue weight, as well as to give an actual demonstration of the term in use. I do not, of course, propose including comments left on news articles on the Internet as reliable sources. However, your argument about BLP is not valid, because in this case the articles on Salil Parekh are not being used to determine if ''he actually said that'' - they are being used to prove that ''the term madrasi is, indeed, a slur''. In [https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511 the NDTV source] it is openly clarified as being a slur, and the whistleblower reports in both [https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/who-are-these-madrasis-and-diva-on-infosys-board/article29768740.ece the Hindu BusinessLine] and [https://www.news18.com/news/india/infosys-says-probing-unethical-practices-after-complaint-by-employees-report-2354639.html at News18] show that it is a foregone conclusion that the term is offensive. Think, too - if it wasn't, why would there be a ruckus? If ''madrasi'' is just a demonym, why was Parekh being accused of saying it a controversy?
			::::The 'past 100 years of experts' don't affect the present usage of the term.
			::::In the meantime, {{u\|Georgethedragonslayer}}, I think [[WP:SFoD]] will interest you :) [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 14:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
	::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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	::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::{{ping\|Georgethedragonslayer}} That is false. Known RSes<ref>{{Cite web\|title=Infosys CEO Referred To Colleagues As "Madrasis", Claim Whistleblowers\|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NDTV.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news\|last=Joseph\|first=Raveena\|date=2014-11-05\|title=Busting the Madrasi myth\|language=en-IN\|work=The Hindu\|url=https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/society/busting-the-madrasi-myth/article6567644.ece\|access-date=2020-12-20\|issn=0971-751X}}</ref>, opinion pieces<ref>{{Cite web\|date=2016-11-05\|title=What does it mean to be Madrasi? {{!}} Madras Courier\|url=https://madrascourier.com/opinion/what-does-it-mean-to-be-madrasi/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=Why Can’t I Be Dark-Skinned In Peace? - The Aerogram\|url=https://theaerogram.com/why-cant-i-be-dark-skinned-in-peace/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=theaerogram.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2020-03-04\|title=From “Mohammedan Areas” to “Madrasis”: How We Let Everyday Racism Slip By\|url=https://qrius.com/from-mohammedan-areas-to-madrasis-how-we-let-everyday-racism-slip-by/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Qrius\|language=en-GB}}</ref> and other sources.<ref>{{Cite web\|last=Ramnath\|first=Nandini\|title=‘Thackeray’ movie review: An unabashed propaganda video for the Shiv Sena founder\|url=https://scroll.in/reel/910791/thackeray-movie-review-an-unabashed-propaganda-video-for-the-shiv-sena-founder\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Scroll.in\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|date=2019-10-21\|title=Racism In Infosys? CEO Allegedly Called These Board Members As ‘Madrasi’, ‘Diva’\|url=https://trak.in/tags/business/2019/10/21/racism-in-infosys-ceo-allegedly-called-these-board-members-as-madrasi-diva-whistleblower-reveals/\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=Trak.in - Indian Business of Tech, Mobile & Startups\|language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|title=India: the north-south disparity\|url=https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-north-south-disparity\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.lowyinstitute.org\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=VED\|first=MAHENDRA\|date=2016-07-30\|title=Malaysia's 1st 'international' film venture {{!}} New Straits Times\|url=https://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/07/161727/malaysias-1st-international-film-venture\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=NST Online\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web\|last=India TV News Desk\|date=2014-11-06\|title=Dare to call any South-Indian a 'Madrassi'? Watch this funny video now!\|url=https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/south-india-madrassi-latest-video-43985.html\|access-date=2020-12-20\|website=www.indiatvnews.com\|language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book\|last=Williams\|first=Brackette F.\|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-Nx49xkfu-YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA246&dq=madrassi&hl=en\|title=Stains on My Name, War in My Veins: Guyana and the Politics of Cultural Struggle\|date=1991-04-12\|publisher=Duke University Press\|isbn=978-0-8223-1119-5\|language=en}}</ref> For its use in context as a 1) pejorative, see the comment by 'Alok Sharma' in the comments section [https://theprint.in/theprint-essential/all-about-3-language-formula-the-bone-of-contention-between-centre-southern-states/471419/ here], by 'Hindustan ki jai' [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/colleagues-speak-in-language-i-dont-follow-i-feel-left-out/articleshow/70884661.cms here], and 2) ignorant stereotype, see [https://frontline.thehindu.com/arts-and-culture/literature/one-language-in-five-scripts/article10031653.ece here]. See [[wiktionary:Madrasi\|here]] for the Wiktionary entry, which notes that the usage of the term as an exonym for all South Indians is considered offensive, which it frankly is. [[User:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI]] <sup>[[User talk:Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|converse]] \| [[Special:contributions/Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI\|fings wot i hav dun]]</sup> 10:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
			:::Familiarize yourself with [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:HISTRS]], [[WP:BLP]]. No one is going to cite discussions, [[WP:USERGEN]] content, or other [[WP:SISTER]] project. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer\|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer\|talk]]) 11:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

	::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)		::There are many, many sources which treat it as such, e.g. [this](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/infosys-ceo-referred-to-colleagues-as-madrasis-claim-whistleblowers-2120511): "Infosys Chief Executive Officer Salil Parekh allegedly referred to independent directors D Sundaram and DN Prahlad as '''"Madrasis" -- a slur often used to mock those from southern states'''" [[User:SourceIsOpen\|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen\|talk]]) 07:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)