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== Thanks ==
== main page of tpi: ==

Thanks for your help in reverting [[Srila Vishnupada, H.D.G. Ramakrishnananda Swami]]. Seems that user may be a little agitated. I don't particularly care one way or another about this so-called guru or whatever he claims to be. But I have some personal experience with the people he claims as his spiritual pedigree. If he wants to make claims, I think people should know the full truth about them. Now he is making threats to vandalize pages I have contributed to. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] <font color=blue>&ne;</font> [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 02:20, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Many thanks for your recent support for me as [[sysop]]. I think that I'll take some time playing myself in before I go mad! [[User:Cutler|Cutler]] 12:32, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)

== The states ==
I'll get on IRC and choose a state when I am finished listing destinations for Swiss International Airlines. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 20:27, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:I have the SC msg almost done. Later this evening, perhaps. [[User:Jaknouse|jaknouse]] 23:18, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

::Okay, I just put it up. I'll start from the beginning. [[User:Jaknouse|jaknouse]] 00:38, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

:::I was having a LOT of trouble with connection last night, VERY slow, and then when I went to load in the msg:NC (I did it off-line first, of course), my monitor did its thing that it does periodically where it gets dim and blurry to the point where it's useless to try to do anything online. [[User:Jaknouse|jaknouse]] 14:29, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

== reverting sux ==

talk about stuff. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|'''Spade''']] 03:44, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

== Temple Mount ==

Hi Danny! Since you were unwise enough to reveal the extent of your expertise on the [[Temple Mount]] ;), I was wondering if you can comment on the current edit war going on there between me and an anonymous, extremely pro-Israel person. Keeping the article NPOV is proving increasingly difficult, and your input would be useful - especially since the guy in question stubbornly refuses to use talk pages. - [[User:Mustafaa|Mustafaa]] 22:59, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)


==Wik==
Of course he's stopped. He's reached his three revert limit on every page he's touched. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 03:09, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

== Days pages ==

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Recently I edit the days pages in the Hebrew Wikipedia, ,mostly according to the parallel pages in the English Wikipedia. Both on [[May 1]] and [[may 2]] I ran into events which belong to [[August 1]] and [[August 2]] respectively, that were put there by you in 2002. I don't know what caused this mistake, and for how long it went on, but I guess you should know the answer better than anybody, and can fix it most easily.
Thanks
[[User:Eman|eman]] 14:04, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
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Thanks. :) I've been working on [http://www.najakito.com/~john/Tutorials/ another project]. - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|&#167;]] 00:59, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

== Swedish translation ==
I've finally translated [[Wikipedia:Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation|Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation]] and it is now available on [[:sv:]] as [[:sv:Wikipedia:Val av förtroendemän till stiftelsen Wikimedias styrelse|Val av förtroendemän till stiftelsen Wikimedias styrelse]]. I also added a link to it on [[:m:Election Notice Translations]], so this note is just for your information. Keep up the good work! / [[User:Mats Halldin|Mats]] 13:05, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
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I could translate it, but I don't think it is neccesary. Though there are several active contributors on Serbian Wikipedia, I don't think that anyone except me knows anyone from any other Wikipedia; they even rarely communicate with each other. If you still think that it is needed, I will translate it. [[User:Nikola Smolenski|Nikola]] 01:32, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
==&#1491;&#1504;&#1497;, &#1500;&#1502;&#1492; &#1492;&#1514;&#1499;&#1493;&#1493;&#1504;&#1514;? ==
&#1491;&#1504;&#1497;, &#1500;&#1488; &#1492;&#1489;&#1504;&#1514;&#1497; &#1500;&#1488;&#1497;&#1494;&#1492; &#1492;&#1506;&#1512;&#1492; &#1488;&#1514;&#1492; &#1502;&#1514;&#1499;&#1493;&#1493;&#1503; &#1489;:
Hey, I am too tired to write in Hebrew. Please check out the notice in English, translate it, and post it here. Danny

&#1488;&#1513;&#1502;&#1495; &#1500;&#1506;&#1494;&#1493;&#1512; &#1500;&#1514;&#1512;&#1490;&#1501; - &#1488;&#1501; &#1488;&#1491;&#1506; &#1502;&#1492;&#1497; &#1492;&#1499;&#1493;&#1493;&#1504;&#1492;. ^^ [[&#1502;&#1513;&#1514;&#1502;&#1513;:&#1491;&#1493;&#1491;1|&#1491;&#1493;&#1491;1]] 04:21, 6 &#1502;&#1488;&#1497; 2004 (UTC)

'''Note on KU:''' Thanks for your note, but there are too few contributers on KU. It is not necessary to translate the note. [[User:Erdal Ronahi|Erdal Ronahi]]

==Wikipedia:Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation==

Hey I am from UR: I will translate the page but I dont know how to post it post it prominently on the Recent Changes page of the Urdu Wikipedia.

=== hu ===
* xlated for thy pleasureth [[:hu:Wikipédia:A Wikimedia alapítvány elnökségének megválasztása|]]. Try not to make changes too often, diffing translation sucks so hard that it risks the very existence of our atmosphere. --[[User:Grin|grin]] [[user_talk:grin|&#9998;]] 12:21, 2004 May 6 (UTC)
=== cy ===
* Translated at last at [[:cy:Wicipedia:Etholiadau_i_Bwrdd_Ymddiriedolwyr_y_Sylfaen_Wikimedia|Etholiadau i Bwrdd Ymddiriedolwyr y Sylfaen Wikimedia]], and linked off Recent Changes ([[:cy:Arbennig:Recentchanges|Arbennig:Newidiadau diweddar]]). I wish my dictionaries were a bit more comprehensive, as I have a nasty suspicion that I've requested nominations for the Board of Trustees for the Wikimedia thing-you-build-houses-on! -- [[User:Arwel Parry|Arwel]] 16:51, 6 May 2004 (UTC)


=== pl ===
* Please see [[:pl:Wikipedia:Wybory do Rady Powierniczej Wikimedia Foundation|Wybory do Rady Powierniczej Wikimedia Foundation]]. But please note that the translation will stand for review of other WP-PL users for at least 24 hours. [[User:Kpjas|Kpjas]] 00:24, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

===it===
[[it:Wikipedia:Elezioni_Wikimedia_Foundation]]

Thanks for your good work :-) [[User:Fantasy|Fantasy]] 15:17, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

===et===
Someone created a page on et: with your English text before I managed to complete the translation. I moved the page to [[:et:Vikipeedia:Vikimeedia Sihtasutuse volinike nõukogu valimised|Vikimeedia Sihtasutuse voliniku nõukogu valimised]]. [[User:Andres|Andres]] 20:43, 9 May 2004 (UTC)

===ro===
Hi Danny, the translation in Romanian is available at [http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Alegeri_pentru_Consiliul_de_Administra%C5%A3ie_al_Wikimedia_Foundation this location]. --[[User:Gutza|Gutza]] 20:58, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

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I think your perspective and knowledge would be valuable at [[talk:fascism]], please join the debate. [[User:GrazingshipIV|GrazingshipIV]] 17:41, May 7, 2004 (UTC)
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:"''Hi. Can you please translate the election notice into Finnish. Thanks.''"

Done. Though the election period caused some head scratching though. The dates were two weeks apart, but the text in words referred to a week long voting period. I guess I will just have to go to the source document to see what's what. -- [[User:Cimon avaro|Cimon]] 06:50, May 10, 2004 (UTC)

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Danny, I just assumed that because you lived in New York you were American. Where did you live before the US? [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 23:56, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I see - let me recommend Australia, just about the only place in the world where Americans are still popular.

Isn't this Iraq stuff just heartbreaking? As someone who supported the invasion on regime-change grounds (not WMD grounds) I am so angry at Bush and Rumsfeld for screwing it up so badly, I could just spit. Now no-one will ever try anything like this again. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 00:34, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for your reasonable and helpful suggestion. I am curious as to when and how I offended you, and how I might make explaination/appologies/amends for such. I sincerely promise you that my goal here is to experience and assist in the creation of an extrordinary source of factual, NPOV info, and even make a few friends along the way. While we may not be ready for swapping muffin recipes, I would hope that your opinions of me are reparable. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|'''Spade''']] 04:56, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

:That&#8217;s good to hear. I'm not sure if I can say the same, but I never had a particularly negative opinion towards you in any case. To be honest I find it rather difficult to form an opinion of people online, and often suspect that those I seem easily compatible with, and those with whom I clash might well be inverted IRL. Due to the lack of normal indicators of mood, intent and personality (largely thru body language, eye contact and vocal tone) and social customs designed to relax and ease social congress (beer, coffee, even a water cooler) I find my opportunity to assess others in any sort of meaningful ways to be few and fleeting. On the other hand I have met many real friends thru my time spent here on thw Wikipedia and elsewhere, and find some reason for optimism in that. Regardless, it is clear that you are overall a particularly effective editor and potent member of the online community here, and I want to make it clear that I have no intent of unnecessarily antagonizing you, nor any beneficial member of this marvelous project. We are all volunteers here after all, and certainly deserve a better appreciation for our time and efforts invested than the harassment, abuse, and general pomposity which are unfortunately all to common in the social interactions of the internet. I again offer my apologies for any distress I may have caused you, and welcome you to bring up any grievances, past or present, that I might find some ability to redress. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Spade|'''Spade''']] 13:55, 12 May 2004 (UTC)


Hot and Pretentious in under 30 minutes or your trolling is free. I suggest you witness this users psychological break down first hand at RFC. He has changed his intial dispute and now is trying to somehow use a past temp-banning from a few months ago as evidence. It is rather pathetic your opinion of him is well-founded. No matter, he looses community respect by the minute. [[User:GrazingshipIV|GrazingshipIV]] 02:38, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
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I apologize for dragging you into this, I hope you are not trolled ''too'' bad after voicing a reasoned response. cheers [[User:GrazingshipIV|GrazingshipIV]] 04:58, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

==Request regarding Mediation Committee==
More than two weeks ago, on April 25, the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee|Arbitration Committee]] referred a case to us which it had considered regarding [[User:Anthony DiPierro|Anthony DiPierro]] and a number of other user to us here: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Issue_of_Anthony's_reverts_and_alleged_trolling]].

While Anthony has agreed to mediation, so far, there has been no response from another party in order to begin working on the Anthony mediation. We have drafted a statement at [[User:Bcorr/mediation statement draft]] that we would like to post on the [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation|Requests for mediation]] to the Arbitration Committee and all other interested parties, but before we do so, we want to check with the rest of the Mediation Committee. Please review the statement and let me know if you approve, wish to make/suggest changes, or have another way you'd like to suggest that we proceed.

Also, in that statement we refer to ourselves as co-chairs of the committee. There was discussion at the [http://boards.wikimedia.org/viewtopic.php?t=80 mediation bulletin board] on the bottom half of the page, but we wanted to confirm that there was agreement on our being co-chairs for the period noted there before we post the statement. Also, if people are amenable to our serving as co-chairs, I will add that information to the Mediation Committee page.

Please take a moment to comment on these issues at [[User:Bcorr/mediation statement draft]].

Thanks, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|&#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085;]] 01:45, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

::I've made a change to the statement to add in llywrch's comment. Please let me know if you object. Unless anyone dislikes this change I will pass on the statement tomorrow evening. Regards -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 19:58, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

== yep ==

Altho I don't so much agree that this has very much interefered w the progress of the wiki. I do think graz deserves a long hard look, but it would appear that this is not the time, nor am I the right person for requesting it. The entire experience has brought several meta issues to my eyes, and until some things are solved (arbitration of article content, consistant enforcement of no personal attacks policy, immediate consequences for policy violations) I think I am going to have to give up on arguing w "trolls". I have been thinking maybe its best just to create new pages and edit obscure ones, and as soon as somebody becomes rude... to run away :( This doesn't come natural to me, but volunteering here on the wiki is a particularly disempowering experience, and I think I'll just have to get used to that for now. For whatever reason I'm not terribly popular here, and like any representitive democracy, the wiki is a popularity contest in many respects. Feel free to archive the RfC, thanks for your thoughtful assistance, and good day. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 19:44, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Good work banning Cantus. Mazel tov! [[User:172|172]] 00:55, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

== Have you "decided" when the Holocaust began? ==

Hi Danny: So 1936 does not count as "THE" Holocaust? Says who? See the rest of my message on the [[talk:Holocaust]] page. Thanks. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 06:10, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm dealing with some intractable trolling on [[National Front for the Liberation of Vietnam]] and [[Talk:Augusto Pinochet]]. I need help stabilizing these situations before they get me to leave this site for good. Thanks very much in advance if you can help. [[User:172|172]] 12:04, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Do you want to make some comments at [[Talk:Augusto Pinochet#Another poll]]? [[User:172|172]] 15:05, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Gah, [[Talk:Holocaust]] seems to be under attack from super-intentionalists. It's bad enough arguing with idiots on stuff I don't know all that much about. When it's something where I'm actually familiar with the historiography it's utterly infuriating. [[User:John Kenney|john]] 05:53, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

*Hi: It's me, that "super-intentionalist" (wow, what a word, worthy of the most subtle of Holocaust-deniars, the academics who want to "squeeze out" all meaning from one of the greatest catastrophes to befall Jewry)...my, my, now johny is calling me an "idiot" how charming. I have repeatedly requested that you STOP your tirade of four letter words and insults. Maybe it's time you re-learned what those nasty profs have taught you and also whilst you're about it , learn some manners. Yikes, and this is from someone studying the MARTYRDOM of Six Million Jews (plus). Shame on you, and grow up! (Oh, and by the way, I'm truly glad to see that you say: "there is stuff I don't know all that much about"....hmmmmmm). [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 06:40, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

==Empire of Atlantium Talk Page==

Kindly stop reverting my edit to the above page. The deleted material is irrelevant and off topic. See my talk page for further detail.--[[User:Gene Poole|Gene_poole]] 01:20, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Please see [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Gene Poole]]. --[[User:Hcheney|"D<small>ICK</small>"]] [[User talk:Hcheney|C<small>HENEY</small>]] 01:47, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

==Strike?==

I just had an interesting idea? Do you think we can organize a strike among users in protest of the arbitration decision banning Wik for a week and threaten a "walk out" if they do not reverse the ruling? [[User:172|172]] 01:58, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
:I guess this idea is a bit risky. Perhaps we could start a petition to present to the arbitrators? [[User:172|172]] 00:25, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==Holocaust==
Yeah, I knew there was something going on with IZAK that I didn't fully understand. The thing is, he's not actually doing much to the article - it's mostly just talk page comments. I think we should be able to handle it, ultimately. [[User:John Kenney|john]] '''[[User_talk:John Kenney|k''']] 16:46, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. My response was an idea for an ambitious proposal. You've dealt with the mailing list and Jimbo much more often than I have, so I'll let you decide whether or not it's realistic. [[User:172|172]] 01:33, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

== Ponderous ==

I don't find your manner or suggestions that I am ignorant to be [[wikipedia:civility|Polite]]. Please be more respectful in the future. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 04:02, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

==John Ross merger==
I went ahead and merged [[John Ross (naval officer)]] into [[John Ross (Arctic explorer)]]. The process wasn't entirely smooth, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's full of errors now. Would be nice if you could have a look at it. -- [[User:Fredrik|Fredrik]] 20:33, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/172]]==
I'm really surprised that you would endorse a summary that says ''Censuring someone who actually knows the material because some ignorant fuck who has never read a book in his life doesnt approve of it and wants to post his own ill-informed opinion will be the death of Wikipedia''. Abusive language is always inappropriate. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 02:15, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

I'm disappointed. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 02:21, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

==Wik==
I'm not allowed to revert vandalism to my own Talk page!? [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 03:12, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

:Too funny. That's exactly what you prevent me from doing! Wik

I wouldn't have bothered with him if he hadn't decided to defy the 7-day block. [[User:RickK|Rick]]'''[[User talk:RickK|K''']] 03:26, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

==List of encyclopedia topics (64)==
If there hadn't been redirects I would have created them, and if there hadn't been articles I wouldn't have made any changes, so, if I understand the purpose correctly, it sounds like I didn't really cause any harm, just wasted my time. Since they have a special use, has someone considered making a msg header to put at the top of all the pages to that effect, for people like me that get there from a "what links here", bypassing the frontmatter? Anyway, in the future I'll just ignore those pages and let people more involved with them take care of them. [[User:Niteowlneils|Niteowlneils]] 03:58, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Guess who's joining the lynch mob now. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration&dummy=1&diff=0&oldid=3711432] [[User:172|172]] 04:38, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

==History of Poland==
I have found some resources that seem interesting, though I had not time to read it. Maybe you would find the time to adopt it? It is connected to Doctor's plot.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sipa/REGIONAL/ECE/gluchowski.pdf
[[User:Cautious|Cautious]] 08:07, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

==Holocaust==

Danny, I hadn't carefully read this article previously. In general the article is poorly written and contains a number of sloppy formulations and errors of fact. The Poles or the Slavs in general were not, as a people, "targetted for extermination" in an imediate sense, although no doubt Hitler expected that they would eventually disappear from New Order Europe. Nor do I think it is true that Soviet POWs were "shipped to extermination camps" because they were Slavs - they were shipped to POW camps where most of them died, but that is not the same thing.

More importantly, the opening section is in my view fundamentally wrong in several respects. It is wrong in principle to use the term Holocaust to apply to all the people killed by the Nazis. This term was coined in regard to the attempted genocide of the Jews and should be reserved for that purpose. It is also wrong to equate the mass murder of the Jews with the persecution of (for example) communists and gay men. The statement (for example) that they "all perished alongside one another in the camps" is false - the extermination camps were for Jews only. The Nazis did ''not'' systematically exterminate other categories of people (except the Gypsies): they sent them to concentration camps where most of them died, but that is not as a matter of principle the same thing.

Having said that, I would be buying into a huge fight if I attempted to rewrite the article in the way I think it ought to be written, when I have had no previous involvement with it. What do you think about this? I might draft a new article and send it to you for your comment, and leave it to you to use some or all of it as you see fit. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 23:38, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

[[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/172]] [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 23:59, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Which of my comments above do you disagree with? [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 00:04, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

==Holocaust 2==

Thanks for your comments.
*I said: The Poles or the Slavs in general were not, as a people, "targetted for extermination" in an imediate sense, although no doubt Hitler expected that they would eventually disappear from New Order Europe.
**''You said: Not exactly true. There was a change in Hitler's attitudes toward the Poles once he got bogged down in the Soviet Union, but there was certainly an attempt to eradicate the intelligentsia, etc., especially in the early days of teh war. In fact, the statement is debatable.''
***I reply: The eradication of the Polish intelligentsia is not disputed. This is not the same thing as genocide or a plan for genocide. As far as I know there was neither an attempt not a plan for an attempt to exterminate the Poles as a race. The longterm plan no doubt was that the Poles would be enslaved and eventually die out, but that cannot be equated with the Jewish Holocaust, which was a concrete operational plan for genocide.
****An interesting, if debatable, book on the Poles in particular is Richard Lukas, ''The Forgotten Holocaust'' [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0813115663/qid=1085445846/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/103-3932608-3594244?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 1]. In terms of magnitude and success, it did not reach the proportions of the Jewish Holocaust in Poland, but it reached very serious proportions and might have been even more severe had Hitler not required the Poles as workers once his invasion of the Soviet Union became more serious. Lukas is a decent scholar.
*I said: Nor do I think it is true that Soviet POWs were "shipped to extermination camps" because they were Slavs - they were shipped to POW camps where most of them died, but that is not the same thing.
**You said: ''Until 1942, more Soviet prisoners than Jews had died. They were, in many cases, gassed, although again, it depends on the exact period.''
***I reply: They died because they were force-marched to POW camps where they were starved and worked to death. They were ''not'' systematically exterminated, and certainly not because they were Slavs. Some were indeed gassed in camps, but a fairly small number relative to the total number of Soviet POWs. Many Soviet POWs survived the war, which they would not have done had there been a systematic plan to exterminate them.
****As many as 5 million died (though personally, I think the number is exaggerrated, even though the official figure are too low). ''Einsatzgruppen'' were sent to murder "Bolsheviks," as well as Jews (sometime,s but not necessarily, as exchangable terms).
*I said: It is wrong in principle to use the term Holocaust to apply to all the people killed by the Nazis. This term was coined in regard to the attempted genocide of the Jews and should be reserved for that purpose.
**You said: ''Holocaust was used in the American press in the early '40s to refer to other populations. See Peter Novick on that one.''
***I reply: I defer to your knowledge on this. I have read several times that the word in its secular sense was coined specifically about the Jews. ''The Holocaust in American Life,'' page 20.
*I said: It is also wrong to equate the mass murder of the Jews with the persecution of (for example) communists and gay men.
**You said: ''What about Gypsies? (though I do get very upset when JW's compare their suffering--actually, I really hate the idea of comparative suffering.''
***I reply: I noted that the Gypsies are the other group who were deliberately exterminated. I don't thing this is an argument about comparative suffering. I am a non-Jewish gay man, but I would not for a second presume to compare the persecution of gay men by the Nazis with the Holocaust, which was a crime without parallel in both conception and execution.
****We are agreed here.
*I said: The statement (for example) that they "all perished alongside one another in the camps" is false - the extermination camps were for Jews only.
**You said: ''Again, Gypsies, and some testimony of Poles and POWs, but essentially correct.''
***I reply: I agree there were some minor exceptions, as I noted in my work on the [[Extermination camp]] article. But the six extermination camps were established for the specific purpose of killing every Jew in Europe. No other group, not even the Gypsies, received such attention.
****Agreed again, though there is testimony of Gypsies in Belzec, and certainly in Auschwitz. It is a personal thing with me that there suffering, which was very real, is so often overshadowed by Jewish suffering. Sadly, Gypsies continue to suffer discrimination in Europe--the recent attempt to wall their neighborhood in in Prague gives me shivers. No one would do it to Jews today, because of what happened 50 years ago. As a Jew, I do feel I have a responsibility to point out their suffering too, both past and (though it pales in comparison to extermination) present. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 01:05, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

I think my biggest problem is that we are discussing the matter in a decent way, bringing sources and working toward a resolution of any differences, real or supposed, that we may have. I am cynical about whether we serve as a real model for the other users. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 01:05, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

If I might make a personal comment (and I have said this to other Jewish friends): I think you ought to be wary of over-deference to other people's opinions on this issue. There is ''no parallel'' for what was done to the Jews during WW2. This is not a subjective response on my part, it is my professional opinion as a well-read historian. You ought not to be swayed from that fact for fear of being accused of Holocaust-monopolisation or whatever. You ought in particular make no concessions to the Polish nationlist editors here, who have a clear anti-Semitic bias. (To be fair, they may not be aware of this, since it is so deeply ingrained in Polish education and culture.)

I agree that you and I don't have any real differences of ''approach'' as opposed to different interpretations of ''fact'' about this. I ask again: do you think it useful for me to do a new draft of the article? [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 01:25, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

OK I will have a go at it.

On Grynszpan I would say: Terrorism is the use of violence to induce terror in people other than the direct target of the violence, in order to compel them to act in a certain way. The term is itself morally neutral - the morality or immorality of any act of terrorism depends on who its target is, what its objective is, and whether the violence committed is proportionate to the evil (if any) which the terrorism seeks to end or prevent. In the case of Grynszpan, assuming his motive was political rather than personal, his act was designed to induce terror in the Nazis, in the hope that they would cease persecuting Jews. Since this was a noble motive and the Nazis were evil people who deserved to be terrorised, I would heartily approve of his action. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 01:53, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

I don't think anyone could reasonably have predicted that Grynszpan's act would precipitate the Kristallnacht, and certainly not a 17-year-old boy. In any case Kristallnacht or something like it would have happened anyway. Grynszpan cannot therefore be held in any serious way responsible for those events. I would build a large statue of him in central Hannover. (I admit that I am influenced here by my romantic sympathy for gay boys in distress, but I think this is a morally sound position.) [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 02:15, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

==White Nationalist FAQ==
May or may not be a copyright violation (if you list it as one, I'll probably say it's fair use because of its public interest nature - might as well hold off until we see whether it survives VfD and gets rewritten) - whatever it was, it was not a candidate for deletion 20 minutes after being moved from another article. It needs rework and one of the purposes of VfD is to give at least a minimal time for that to happen. [[User:Jamesday|Jamesday]] 01:41, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
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"The New Wik" reminds me of nothing so much as Michael. Remind me again why you were so reluctant to get rid of him? - [[User:Hephaestos|Hephaestos]]|[[User talk:Hephaestos|&#167;]] 06:03, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

erased text so as not to divulge privacy of individual posting.

Hi, I cannot speak English.Only read.--[[User:Shizhao|Shizhao]] 03:23, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Please take a look at my comment at [[m:Talk:Election Candidates]] at your nearest convenience. I think this issue should be addressed before the election starts.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]][[User:Eloquence/CP|*]]

==In need of community support==

I'm in need of community support.

Right now, I am on the verge of being driven away from Wikipedia through the relentless efforts of a single problem user on [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/172]], [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration]], and [[Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/172 vs VeryVerily]].

The same user who refuses to accept the results of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Augusto_Pinochet/Archive_3#Another_poll the Augusto Pinochet poll] (see also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Augusto_Pinochet&diff=3762238&oldid=3762178]) goes through my user history every time he logs on and then starts reverting things that I've written arbitrary. He manages to divert attention away from the articles onto ad hominem attacks, thus poisoning the well against me. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/172&diff=3684325&oldid=3684302]

He has been doing nothing else for the past couple of months, other than making some minor changes to pages that he finds through the random page feature. Meanwhile, I've been working on articles such as [[Empire of Brazil]], [[Dollar Diplomacy]], and [[Franco-U.S. relations]]. I'm tired of letting a problem user define my contributions to the encyclopedia, as opposed to my work.

I may have said some regrettable things in the past, but my editing practices are scholarly and methodical. When I make an edit, my choice is based on a consideration of the quality of the encyclopedia. Unlike the user who avowedly admits to trying to escalate a personal feud (see, e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Michael_Snow&diff=3758167&oldid=3758053]), I do not decide which pages to edit and what changes to make on the basis of personality feuds, emotional POV whims, or a desire to get attention.

Although this user shows little evidence that he understands the content of the articles, I have shown considerable restraint, given my professional expertise. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/172#Outside_view]. Only through community support (i.e. lobbying the arbitration committee)will this user be stopped. Otherwise, Wikipedia will die unless we stop vandals and clueless POV-pushers from running rampant and driving away valued contributors.

Please feel free to direct questions and comments to my talk page or e-mail at [email protected].

Sincerely,

[[User:172|172]] 01:39, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

== User:Zoe ==

I've noted you've had to deal with a lot of vandalism to Zoe's now defunct userpage. Any reason why we can't just protect it? If Zoe has admin duty, in theory the protection to Zoe's page isn't going to stop changes being made if Zoe comes back. Write back on my UserTalk page.--[[User:Ingoolemo|Ingoolemo]] 01:42, 2004 Jun 1 (UTC)

==[[Judaism]]==

I was surprised to see that this article has nothing to say about the Temple-era Hebrew religion, as opposed to post-Temple rabbinic Judaism. Does the word Judaism not encompass this? If not, where is it discussed? [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 02:52, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I don't think I asked you to get involved, just to tell me if there is another article on this subject, or if the [[Judaism]] article needs more material. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 03:40, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps the Judaism article needs a History of Judaism section which describes the religious practice of the Jews before the fall of the Temple? (Or is Hebrews the prefered term for that period?) [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 04:50, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi I saw your contribution to Child sexual abuse and the reference of pederasty was about Noble men injecting semen in order to inject arete into boys. I am curious about your reference and would appreciate any CLASSICAL references especially. Please put response on my talk page thanks.[[User:WHEELER|WHEELER]] 13:41, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Ars Electronica, Golden Nica ceremony at UN ==

Danny,

I'm here in London and so far unsuccessful at finding an Internet cafe where I can use ssh to read my email in the usual way. The representative from Ars Electronica here to film our meeting tells me that back at Ars Electronica HQ they are getting quite anxious about who will be there at the UN. This is undoubtably my fault, as I thought I emailed them, and I know you haven't heard back from them, which most likely means that I did not email them or emailed them incorrectly.

Anyhow, here I am, knowing that they are anxious, but also not having access to my email in order to find their address so as to reassure them and put them in touch with you properly.

If you could email them yourself on my behalf and let them know you are coming, I will followup to confirm officially as soon as possible. [http://www.aec.at/en/prix/updates/article.asp?iNewsID=556&iTypeID=0 This page] on their site tells all about it. It seems that info at aec.it would be a reasonable first address for you to write to, but as soon as I can find a way into my email properly, I will send both you and them a proper introduction.

I'm so sorry for the goofiness of all this. I never suspected that using ssh would prove so troublesome.[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 20:33, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Update: The right person is [email protected] [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 10:11, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

After the mailing list discussion, [[User:VeryVerily]] goes through my user history and just reverts almost every edit that I make. It's like I'm under a one user-imposed ban right now. What the hell am I going to do? How do I get this stalker off my back? [[User:172|172]] 21:14, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

On the Hitler page, I've tried to streamline the intro - I think for such introductions, the less information, the better. Just focus on who he was, and let the article itself do the heavy lifting - the article itself is also less likely to receive attention from trolls. I also thought "military-industrial complex" was a rather odd phrase to use in the introduction, so I removed it. [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 17:19, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)


==Hitler article==

Danny I haven't looked at Hitler for some months, obviously the opening section has deteriorated badly since I last rewrote it. This seems to be the way major political-historical articles at Wikipedia go - someone fixes them, then they slowly fill up with illiterate rubbish until someone comes and fixes them again. I would recommend simply reverting to the article as I rewrote it [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Adolf_Hitler&oldid=2117534 here]. But I doubt that would be acceptable, and I don't think I want to go through this whole process again. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 04:05, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I agree that Sam's version is unacceptable. I'm surprised, because I haven't thought of him as a crank before. As soon as the page is unprotected the opening section as I wrote it (see link above) should be reinstalled. 04:32, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Err, yes, Sam actually is rather a crank. I agree that Adam's version is best - just keep the damned thing as short as possible - although I'd suggest that we mention him as leader of the Nazi Party, as well. [[User:John Kenney|john]] [[User_talk:John Kenney|k]] 04:42, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== North Yemen ==

I am using rulers.org and worldstatesmen.org for my sources. Is there perhaps some confusion between the HoS (article at [[President of North Yemen]] and apparently usually titled Chairman) and the HoG (article at [[Prime Minister of North Yemen]] and noted only as PM)? Or possibly between North and South Yemen? [[User:Jonel|Jonel]] 03:10, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

: I figured it out. I screwed up and copied the list of PMs of the PDRY where I meant to get the list of PMs of the YAR. Fixing it now. Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Jonel|Jonel]] 03:21, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:: Should be all good now. Out of curiousity, does the new one match your book's list a bit better? [[User:Jonel|Jonel]] 03:39, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Translation of the election notice into chinese ==

Hello Danny,

sorry for not answering you in time. I was in voucation because I was moving from one city into another, and due to the moving I am at the moment somehow offline. I would translate the article, but it would took some time because I don't have chinese input system at work and I must do it at home (which is still offline) and then upload the translation at work. I will inform you as soon as possible when I finished the translation and put it online. --[[User:Philopp|Philopp]] 09:23, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)


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== Election results ==

Danny, thanks for your administering the elections and the result announcement. However, will there be an official report for it, including breakdown of votes per candidate, etc.? Right now, it's all hearsay, and I cannot point anyone to an "official" announcement. Thanks. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] | [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 02:05, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

: Thanks, I understand better now. Perhaps we could make a temporary page at least, that has the result, and saying that the official report is forthcoming (ie. with the explanation you gave me). I would do so myself, but think you or Imran would be better to determine the name of such page. [[User:Fuzheado|Fuzheado]] | [[User talk:Fuzheado|Talk]] 02:16, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hello Danny,

thank you for overseeing elections to the [[m:Board of Trustees|Board of Trustees]]. However, announcing the winners without publishing the official results was a major procedural goof. Please see [[Wikipedia:Village_pump#Results_for_the_Elections_to_the_Board_of_Trustees|the Village pump]] and publish the full election results ''very'' soon now.

[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 07:43, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Hi Danny, I want to thank you again for all the work you put into to organising the elections. As I wrote on my user page, I was really surprised at how smoothly it all went, and I've no doubt that the effort you and Imran put in played a large part in that. Do you have any more need for your [[m:Administrator#Temporary_administrators|temporary adminship on Meta]]? Please could you let me know, or apply for permanent adminship there so the temporary access can be removed? Thank you. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 14:53, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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Danny, I assume you are familiar with this piece by [http://www.berkeleyinternet.com/holocaust/ Jon Petrie]. What is your opinion of it? If he is right then I will have to modify some of the views I expressed above about the history of the word's usage. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 14:12, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Meta ==
I am requesting adminship on Meta for the account [[:m:User:Danny]]. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 21:53, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Categories ==

Thanks for helping out with the cryptography categorisation! [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt]] 11:49, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

==Oy===

Dear Danny and RK - I am sick of trying to defend [[Zionism]] and [[Anti-Zionism]] against the fedayeen without any help from people (like you two) who ought to have an interest in defending these articles. So I am taking them off my watchlist and they can sink into the swamp. Regards, [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 10:19, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Bureaucrat ==

Hi Danny,

I pushed the button for you on Bureaucrat status. Congratulations. If you don't know what to do, I don't suppose anyone here does. Cheers! -- [[User:Cecropia|Cecropia]] | [[User talk:Cecropia|Talk]] 06:35, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Confused tho, I thought you were in favor of flames in my direction. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 06:51, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:oh, congrats on the Bureaucratship, btw. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 06:57, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

OK, thats good (the opposition to abuse part). Feel free to discuss any specific objections to my contributions, either on the respective talk pages or on my own. Cheers, [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 17:15, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:I am increasingly confused to see you defending me from [[ad hominem]]'s. You have earned a curious sort of respect from me due to these sorts of inconsistencies. If you are willing to discuss "point by point" any objections that you have to my edits, [[NPOV]], [[Factual accuracy]], or otherwise, that might well go the extra mile towards us reconciling our misunderstandings. My intent was to use this arbitration case to demand enforcement of [[wikipedia:No personal attacks]] / [[Wikipedia:Civility]] / [[wikiquette]]. If we can manage to resolve your [[NPOV]] concerns thru intellectual discussion, that would essentially eliminate our respective claims against one another. It also might be good for the wikipedia articles we edit. Cheers, [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 22:51, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thats all I can ask for. Is there any one thing you can think of that has particularly concerned you? I can't imagine it was the Hitler article edit, altho I've second (really tripple and quadrouple) guessed myself on that, and shown it to other wiki's and friends, etc. Frankly my guess is that due to the sorts of articles I've edited, and the direction I've shifted (always towards NPOV, IMO), you (and likely others) have made assumptions about my POV's. Thruout life I've had a tendancy to offend those who "read between my lines". Heck, my wife and I mainly argue not due to something I said, but due to something she ''thought'' I ment. So thats my guess on whats happened, that people see me edit [[nazism]] and assume I'm a nazi, or [[gay bathhouse]] and assume I'm an anti-gay activist. Thoughts? [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 23:05, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:and I will be going out with my wife (it's our 2 yr aniversary today :). One of the things I like about talk pages is the ability to have slow motion conversations. Take as long as you like, and I can assure you I will do likewise ;). Do you prefer to communicate as we are, all on one page, or otherwise? [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 23:16, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Edit to Daniel Pearl ==
Hey Danny. This edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Daniel_Pearl&diff=4310960&oldid=4310528 is not "correct". The capitalization mistakes and such actually were there - the quote is there to show what was actually typed. It is not a Wikipedia user that made the capitalization mistake. It was the people who typed up the words on the video. Hence, the words "sic" are there. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] 13:46, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Regarding ''Stirling Newberry v. Terjepetersen'' ==

Hey, my name's Wally, and as you may have seen on the requisite pages I'm currently kicking off handling the AMA's part in the case, assistance having been requested by one of the parties. Just wanted to give you a heads-up as mediator and let you know we've been called in, though to what purpose I've not yet established.

I've communicated with both the disputant and the disputee, advising them what their rights are under the mediation process guidelines and hoping to clear the way a little bit for you and the mediators (is this a one man thing, or a team, I'm a little hazy yet as to the process?). The only official advice I've given yet to both parties is to, imho, accept mediation and be as cooperative and forthcoming as possible. Hopefully, that will provide a bit of a leg-up as this case goes forward.

Any help, therefore, I or the AMA can be as you're going through this (including if/when I or another AMA member takes representation of this case for either or both parties, although as I'm just operating as a sort of "advance man" at the moment I'm not sure how likely it is), please don't hesitate to ask. I've also been familiarizing myself, from an impartial perspective, as to the nature of the case, and would be happy to direct your attention towards anything that seems important for examination. Just to start with, I'd look at the [[supply-side economics]] dispute - whatever happened on the gold standard page, it's neither recorded at all on the talk page nor in the recent history page, and it seems not to move very fast. Supply-side gives a much better feel for the nature of the thing.

Incidentally, I also have a question. Reading of the mediation policy, I've noted that there's a sort of "gag order" over the whole thing and that nothing discussed, planned, etc. can be brought up in later stages, i.e. arbitration. However, though that implies mediators, do advocates come under that umbrella? Also, is it only private communications (i.e. e-mail) or ''all'' communications that are under it? What if one party is particularly helpful or, more importantly, particularly intransigent?

Thanks in advance for the help and for mediating this. I hope you consider me a resource for further assistance as this process goes on.

[[User:Wally|Wally]] 01:45, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[[User:Stirling Newberry|Stirling Newberry]] 11:56, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC) Thanks for being so quick to drop a line. I'd like to take this off Wikipedia pages for conversation. You can reach me at [email protected]

:Hi, wanted to see if the ball's yet gotten rolling on this, since I've not yet had reply from any of the parties. Drop me a line, if you would! [[User:Wally|Wally]] 14:54, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The page has been dumped back into edit war, and TJ is continuing to engage in his bombast and egomania. Since the mediation process seems to be a complete waste of time, since no one is willing to work through it, I withdraw my request. Obviously things simply have to get just be allowed to get unpleasant before anything is done. I am very disappointed. [[User:Stirling Newberry|Stirling Newberry]] 16:56, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== Getting back ==
I'm sorry to hear about your friend’s loss, my condolences. I've been rather distracted myself, altho I must admit I'm holding off on editing that particular page until we resolve matters a bit further. Perhaps it would be best to discuss that page (and the two different edits) in that pages talk, and discuss more generally our approaches to NPOV (and perhaps our personal POV's) in our respective talk pages? As I mentioned before, I'm pretty open to how and where (and really even what) we discuss. I might even consider IRC if I had some assurance it wouldn't end up in a flame-fest (I general avoid #wikipedia for a reason, i.e. lack of moderation). I like your new picture BTW, a distinct improvement. Nothing quite like the moment of success :) [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 06:20, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

== Thank you for your support ==

Hi Danny! Just a short note to let you know how grateful I was for your vote in support of my nomination in last week's sysop election. Wikipedia is a great project and I feel honoured to be able to play a small part in building it. Your vote meant a lot to me. [[User:Davidcannon|David Cannon]] 10:31, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

== Orthodox Judaism ==

I recently made a minor modification to a paragraph that has been in this article for over a year. In the past Danny, I and others have been in agreement on this point. However, on looking it over, the point seemed too strong; it made it look as if Orthodox Jews reject all of modernity, ''which they certainly do not''. (They live in the greater gentile society which sourrounds them, use all modern technology and medicine, and participate in the general economy and society.) As such, I changed a few words to tone down the original. Out of nowhere, Danny wrote "removed ill-informed statement by user who does not know what he is talking about." and took out the entire paragraph. All I can say is "huh"? [[User:RK|RK]] 17:06, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

From Hirsch to Kook to Soloveichik to Greenberg, all have adopted ideas from the "Enlightenment," so stop your pompous posing and try to write about things you know. [[User:Danny|Danny]] 19:05, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)


:Danny, first off, stop your ad homenim attacks. Secondly, this paragraph has been in this article for a year. Third, you and I already discussed this issue. I never claimed that every single Orthodox Jew rejected every single idea from the enlightenment. You are attributing an extreme position to me that I never had; You and I worked on the articles on Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Judaism, and we came to a consensus on them. In fact I repeatedly praised the hard work you did on them, and the fine material you added. You ''know'' that we agree on this topic. So why this outburst to the contrary? [[User:RK|RK]]

:In any case, I find a problem with your examples. While Rabbi Irving Greenberg is a product of the enlightenment, the result is that many of his writings are considered unacceptable to many Orthodox Jews; his views are not representative of any mainstream Orthodox rabbinical group or Yeshiva, and he has been condemned by some of his own modern Orthodox peers as beyond the pale.

:As for Rabbis Abraham Isaac Kook and Joseph Soloveitchik, they reject many religious and philosophical enlightenment ideas. Just to give two significant examples, Kook didn't even want women to have the right to vote. And Soloveitchik attacked all post-enlightenment bible research on the Torah as heretical, and held on to some rather medieval ideas about the status of women in Judaism. The fact these men embrace some enlightenment ideas is true, but I never claimed or implied otherwise. I think you are reading way too much into what I wrote. [[User:RK|RK]]

:Finally, you literally misread the entire point of the edit I made! The original paragraph made all Orthodox Jews out to be anti-modern, and in (apparent) agreement with you, I toned down this idea. Is your criticism of me based on the point that you wish to phrase that paragraph another way? Fine, I would welcome your input. [[User:RK|RK]] 19:33, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

== Thanks for your support ==

I just wanted to thank you for your support in my recent nomination to become an [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]]. I really appreciate it. [[User:Blankfaze|blankfaze]] | [http://www.livejournal.com/users/blankfaze &bull;&bull;] | [[User talk:blankfaze|&bull;&bull;]] 14:51, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)



May I ask you to protect the main page of tpi: again and change the title of the main page to 'Pes fran' as suggested in 'Haus bilong toktok'? Thanks. -- [http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Caffelice Caffelice]
==Request for mediator in the case of [[User:AndyL]] and [[User:WHEELER]]==


== Image:250px-Elsana taleb.jpg listed for deletion ==
A few days ago, AndyL listed a request on the [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation]] page between User:WHEELER and himself:
<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#E1F1DE"> An image or media file that you uploaded, [[:Image:250px-Elsana taleb.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <!-- {{idw}} --></div>
:'' see [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User:WHEELER]] and associated TALK page. Specific complaint about his anti-Semitic comment on [[Talk:Early_National_Socialism]] but also about his general conduct around POV editing and unencyclopedic behaviour. [[User:AndyL|AndyL]] 05:31, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)''


==Barnstar==
After discussing the matter with [[User:Sannse|sannse]], it seems that the first step is to identify one or more members of the committee who are willing to mediate in this case, although before proceeding it will be necessary to clarify the goals of the mediation.
[[Image:Original Barnstar.png|left|frame|I, MaxD, give you this barnstar for your numerous extremely knowledgable contributions to Wikipedia.]]


== A Grant Idea ==
And just FYI, there has also been quite a bit of chatter on the WikiEN mailing list about similar issues.


I would like to talk to Danny about a grant idea that I believe would help wikipedia and the wider community but am unsure how to contact him. If he could email me at [email protected] I would appreciate it. Thanks
If you are willing to act as the mediator in this case, please leave a brief note stating so at
[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#User:AndyL_and_User:WHEELER]]. The more people who are willing to mediate, the better, as this will provide more options for the two users to try to agree on.


== Nimrod Kamer (again) ==
Thanks, [[User:Bcorr|BCorr]]<font color=chartreuse>|</font>[[User talk:Bcorr|&#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085;]] 18:30, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


check out this:
== hello ==
*[[Captain Sudoku]]
*[[Ari Libsker]]
*[[Maayan Strauss]]
*[[Girls At The Cairo National Stadium]]
*[[Big Tuna]]
*[[Doron Sabag]]
*[[Yossi Atia]]
*[[Yoav Tal]]
*[[Ilan the Security Guard]]


He also recreated [[Nimrod Kamer]] you had deleted.


== Nimrod Kamer (2) ==
Hi Danny, Thanks for your message. Better sit down before you look at [[Holocaust]]. --[[User:Zero0000|Zero]] 13:52, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)


'''[[Dafna Arad]]''' - was deleted and now on AfD, please speedy it.
== Alabama Governors ==
Haha. I once again underestimate the collective speed of Wikipedia. I was planning to make stubs for each one, then go back through them with a more in-depth list of information, if I had it, rather than looking each one up individually as I made the pages. I see you've already beaten me to it. Thanks :) Though, I feel kind of bad leaving that work for you to do. :) --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 00:47, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)


[[Ari Libsker]], [[Maayan Strauss]], '''[[Girls At The Cairo National Stadium]]''' (short film by Nimrod Kamer), [[Big Tuna]], [[Doron Sabag]], [[Vaan Nguyen]], [[Ido Gideon]], [[Roy Arad]] and [[RifRaf]] are also waiting for deletion.
== Hello/X-Men dispute ==


Hi, Danny. Thanks for agreeing to mediate the X-Men article dispute. I had a little trouble finding your e-mail on your page. I'm at [email protected] if you would like to drop me a line, letting me know how to reach you. Thanks, Nick
:A dispute about the [[X-Men]]? I had thought that the worldwide wave of seething bickering controversy would be limited to less fictional ''and therefore less interesting'' topics. :) -[[User:Stevertigo|Ste]]<i>[[User_talk:Stevertigo|vertigo</i>]]
:: :D I'm still not sure if its ''solid evidence of mankind's redeemability,'' or a ''sure sign of the endtimes.'' -[[User:Stevertigo|S]]<i>[[User_talk:Stevertigo|V</i>]] 23:34, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)


'''Please answer me'''.... I'm tired from cleaning after him. He used sockpuppets in AFD's so you can speedy it.
''Some of us take our comics very seriously ... (hey, i have two comics from my collection on loan to my museum right now.) I am glad though that I am dealing with this, rather than the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Danny 23:38, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)''
:Agreed. I wonder what kind of comic books kids over there read, though. TTYL :( -[[User:Stevertigo|S]]<i>[[User_talk:Stevertigo|V</i>]] 23:50, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)


== The right to defend ==
== Happy Birthday! ==


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Hello, Danny
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== Sure, but ==
You have just blocked an IP used by 'PolishPoliticians' giving the reason 'insulting behaviour'. I feel there was nothing insulting in my behaviour, I feel I explained all my edits sufficiently, and I feel VERY VERY insulted that I was blocked, and I was given no opportunity to defend myself. I think that the right to defend is a basic right of every person, and I feel very insulted that I was denied it.


Yes, it has been. Since a nasty experience several years ago I disabled my e-mail setting on Wikipedia, so I cannot e-mail you. But you can e-mail me at slrubenstein at yahoo dot com Best, Steve
I am very insulted that Wikipedia tolerates the Nazi content, and blockes the people who try be honest, tolerant and contribute to Wikipedia value. I expect simple appologies. Everything else we can discuss. Thank you


== Good job ==
PS. I you block an IP or User, please allow to make complains ANYWHERE in Wikipedia. It is very frustrating if you are blockes, try to complain, and it says you cannnot complain about beeing blocked beacuse you are blocked.


Thank you for catching that Eisenhower and German POWs posting, which both fails on its evidence and smacks of Nazi-sympathizer historical revisionism. Sometimes Wikipedia seems a step away from posting Joe McCarthy's rants about the Malmeddy massacre. What next? The Berlin Airlift was a secret plot to induce Germans to accomodate their appetites to American food products? Their evidence will be forged memo by Kraft foods and clipped German newspaper coupons. Although large human suffering deserves a record, these charges also require proper evidence. Something like the solid research and strong evidence on the Holocaust.
AGAIN: There was nothing in my behaviour I should be ashamed of, I feel veru insulted by wikipedia, and I expect some appologies.


==French Bible's Translations==
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Bonjour Danny. J'ai vu sur "Wikisource" vos traductions de la Bible. J'ai mis un message sur votre page de discussion. Je vous signale l'existence du software '''WebCodex''' qui crée une ''database'' des versets bibliques, et contient un moteur de recherche efficace. Voici deux exemples d'application :
I thought that Wikipedia is a great internet project and I encouraged my friends to join and share their knowlegde and abilities with other internet users. But if you tolerate the Nazis in Wikipedia I will tell about it to all my friends, and I will also write articles to all possible newspapers I know. I AM SERIOUS. [[User: PolishPoliticians]] 02:02, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Sur '''Sefarim.fr''' est disponible toute la Bible hébraïque en hébreu, en anglais (''Mechon Mamre'') et en français (Traduction du Rabbinat) . Sur '''judeopedia.org''' est disponible le Pentateuque (''[[Torah]]'') en hébreu, en latin (Vulgate), en anglais (King James) et dans trois versions françaises (Louis Segond, Darby, Cahen (version juive du 19ème siècle)). L'Association ''Judeopedia'' vise à développer cette application "aux textes fondateurs de la tradition juive", [[Tanakh]], [[Talmud]], [[Midrash]] ...
== Re Category:Torah people ==


[http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Michel_Louis_Lévy MLL], 8 juillet 2007
Hi Danny, see my response on [[User talk:IZAK]] regarding you observations about [[:Category:Torah people]]. Thanks. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] 03:14, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
== Smile! ==


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==[[Childlove movement]]==
Hi Danny, I just saw you removed the images in the article. Don't you think it would have been preferable to get involved in the discussion taking place at that very time on the Talk page first? Incidentally I support removing the images.[[User:Pir|pir]] 12:01, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)


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== me! yeah! ==<br />
Wow, thanx. You really lived up to my estimation of your character, which if you look closely has always been a good one. I'm still open to discussing any particulars, but I get the impression your a whole lot busier than I am :). I would like to reiterate my concern about strong words, harsh tones, and assumptions of bad faith. I donno why it is, but thruout my life I have rubbed some people wrong, and they have found reason to assume unfortunate stuff about me. Maybe its my sense of humnor or something, my good friends tend to think I'm a pretty funny guy, whereas those who take issue w me obviously do not. I guess my point is that while I may not be [[P.C.]], I mean well, and while some others might ''not'' mean well, it '''is''' still important to be judicious w our statements about them. Even when ''fighting'' the most obvious of nazi's/gay bashers/trollish f-heads it's always best to keep the high ground. Those sort fight best when they drag you down to their level, and they are most obvious in their depravity when they can't drag you down. I think you've realized now that isn't me, that I want to get along, even if it's hard work. Thank you for living up to my best impressions of you, and keep up the ''good fight'', (altho carefully :) [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new '''Spade''']] 03:57, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 13:18, 13 May 2025

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main page of tpi:

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May I ask you to protect the main page of tpi: again and change the title of the main page to 'Pes fran' as suggested in 'Haus bilong toktok'? Thanks. -- Caffelice

Image:250px-Elsana taleb.jpg listed for deletion

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An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:250px-Elsana taleb.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Barnstar

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I, MaxD, give you this barnstar for your numerous extremely knowledgable contributions to Wikipedia.

A Grant Idea

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I would like to talk to Danny about a grant idea that I believe would help wikipedia and the wider community but am unsure how to contact him. If he could email me at [email protected] I would appreciate it. Thanks

Nimrod Kamer (again)

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check out this:

He also recreated Nimrod Kamer you had deleted.

Nimrod Kamer (2)

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Dafna Arad - was deleted and now on AfD, please speedy it.

Ari Libsker, Maayan Strauss, Girls At The Cairo National Stadium (short film by Nimrod Kamer), Big Tuna, Doron Sabag, Vaan Nguyen, Ido Gideon, Roy Arad and RifRaf are also waiting for deletion.


Please answer me.... I'm tired from cleaning after him. He used sockpuppets in AFD's so you can speedy it.

Happy Birthday!

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Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, Danny!

HAve a great one :)

Sure, but

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Yes, it has been. Since a nasty experience several years ago I disabled my e-mail setting on Wikipedia, so I cannot e-mail you. But you can e-mail me at slrubenstein at yahoo dot com Best, Steve

Good job

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Thank you for catching that Eisenhower and German POWs posting, which both fails on its evidence and smacks of Nazi-sympathizer historical revisionism. Sometimes Wikipedia seems a step away from posting Joe McCarthy's rants about the Malmeddy massacre. What next? The Berlin Airlift was a secret plot to induce Germans to accomodate their appetites to American food products? Their evidence will be forged memo by Kraft foods and clipped German newspaper coupons. Although large human suffering deserves a record, these charges also require proper evidence. Something like the solid research and strong evidence on the Holocaust.

French Bible's Translations

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Bonjour Danny. J'ai vu sur "Wikisource" vos traductions de la Bible. J'ai mis un message sur votre page de discussion. Je vous signale l'existence du software WebCodex qui crée une database des versets bibliques, et contient un moteur de recherche efficace. Voici deux exemples d'application :

Sur Sefarim.fr est disponible toute la Bible hébraïque en hébreu, en anglais (Mechon Mamre) et en français (Traduction du Rabbinat) . Sur judeopedia.org est disponible le Pentateuque (Torah) en hébreu, en latin (Vulgate), en anglais (King James) et dans trois versions françaises (Louis Segond, Darby, Cahen (version juive du 19ème siècle)). L'Association Judeopedia vise à développer cette application "aux textes fondateurs de la tradition juive", Tanakh, Talmud, Midrash ...

MLL, 8 juillet 2007

Smile!

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Someone dedicated to making your day a little bit better! has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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