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| name = The Glass Bead Game |
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| title_orig = Das Glasperlenspiel |
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| translator = Richard and Clara Winston |
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*My WikiHoliday June 05-March 07 talk [[User talk:Rlandmann/archive6|here]] |
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| author = [[Hermann Hesse]] |
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| country = [[Switzerland]] |
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| language = [[German language|German]] |
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| genre = [[Novel]] |
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| publisher = [[Holt, Rinehart and Winston]] |
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| release_date = [[1943]] (Eng. trans. [[1969]]) |
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| media_type = Print ([[Hardcover|Hardback]] & [[Paperback]]) |
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| pages = 558 pp |
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| isbn = NA <!-- published before ISBN system --> |
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I'm baaack :) |
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'''''The Glass Bead Game''''' ([[German language|German]]: '''''Das Glasperlenspiel''''') is the last work and [[magnum opus]] of the German author [[Hermann Hesse]]. Begun in [[1931]] and published in [[Switzerland]] in [[1943]], the book was mentioned in Hesse's citation for the 1946 [[Nobel Prize]] for Literature. |
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"Glass Bead Game" is a literal translation of the German title. The title has also been translated as '''''Magister Ludi'''''. "Magister Ludi," [[Latin]] for "master of the game," is the name of an honorific title awarded to the book's central character. ''Magister Ludi'' can also be seen as a [[pun]]: ''lud'' is a Latin stem meaning both "game" and "school." |
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==Plot summary== |
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{{spoiler}} |
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''The Glass Bead Game'' takes place during the 23rd century. The setting is a fictional province of central Europe called Castalia, reserved by political decision for the life of the mind; technology and economic life are kept to a strict minimum. Hesse mentions the political violence of the 20th century in passing, but his main critique of that century is encapsulated by his dismissive name for it: the Age of the [[Feuilleton]], an intellectually superficial and decadent period, when [[middle brow]] journalism replaced serious reading and reflection. |
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== Z aircraft catergorisation== |
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Castalia is home to a [[monastic]] order of [[intellectual]]s with a twofold mission: to run boarding schools for boys (the novel is thus a detailed exploration of education and the life of the mind), and to nurture and play the Glass Bead Game (see below). |
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While I'm sure it looks neat on the how to do lists, I wonder whether it is really user friendly to have the only catergorisation for the 10 or so aircraft manufactured in Zealand, being a series of clumsy bore down boxes click aircraft manufactuered in New Zealand, click Civil aircraft manufactured in New Zealand click aigricultural aircraft 1970-1979...I know that makes us kiwis look like we have a thriving aviation industry until you work out most of these boxes have only one entry - if that - but this lay out seems really more appropriate for the minority of nations who produce the majority of aircraft. If there is an irresistable urge to create these sub catergories by to comply with some Wiki policy, would it be okay to also leave all the aircraft as individual entries in a broad catergory, for more user friendly access? [[User:Winstonwolfe|Winstonwolfe]] 08:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The novel chronicles the life of a distinguished member of the order, Joseph Knecht (the surname translates as "servant" or "farm hand"), as narrated by a fictional historian of the order. Hence the novel is an example of a [[Bildungsroman]]. At any given time, the member of the order deemed the best Game player is honored with the title ''Magister Ludi''. |
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* Thanks for your reply on my page - completely agree with both your short and long term solutions ;-). |
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Polarities lie at the heart of the work, as is commonly the case in Hesse's novels. Two relationships are of particular interest, that of Knecht with his teacher, the learned monk Father Jacobus, and with his best friend at the boarding school run by the order, Plinio Designori, the scion of a rich family. At the end of their school days, Knecht, representing [[aestheticism]] and the Life of the Mind, joins the order, while Designori returns to the world. He embodies a failed reconciliation between mind and world. |
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== WikiProject Rocketry - Space WikiProjects reorganisation proposal == |
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In his introduction to ''[[Demian]]'', [[Thomas Mann]] likened his relation with Hesse to that of Knecht and Jacobus, adding that their knowledge of each other was not possible without much ceremony. Mann extrapolates on Hesse's observance of Oriental customs in the novel. The ''Glass Bead Game'' manifests Hesse's enduring dream of combining East with West. For example, the discipline of the imaginary monastic community includes breathing and [[meditation]] techniques of clear Oriental inspiration. |
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It has been proposed that [[WP:LV|WikiProject Launch Vehicles]], of which you are a member, be moved to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocketry]] per a [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Space/Reorganisation#Rocketry|'''proposal''']] to reorganise space-related WikiProjects. The proposal will serve to clarify and expand the scope of the project.<br> |
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Castalia is an [[Ivory Tower]], an ethereal protected community within a larger nation, devoted to pure intellectual pursuits, and oblivious to the problems posed by life outside its boundaries. Knecht gradually comes to doubt whether the intellectually gifted have a right to withdraw from life's big problems. He eventually concludes that they do not, and that conclusion precipitates a sort of midlife crisis. Accordingly, he does the unthinkable: he resigns as Magister Ludi and asks to leave the order, ostensibly to become of value and service, in some way, to the larger culture. A few days later, he drowns in a mountain lake, while attempting a swim for which he was not fit. Tragically, living in Castalia made Knecht unfit for life in the world. Hesse also makes an [[existentialist]] point: faced with a dilemma, Knecht opts for the world and not the ivory tower. |
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Please post comments and support/oppose votes at '''[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Space/Reorganisation#Rocketry|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Space/Reorganisation]]'''. Thanks --<font color="#116655">'''GW_Simulations'''<sub>[[User:GW Simulations|<font color="#000000">User Page</font>]] | [[User talk:GW_Simulations|<font color="#000000">Talk</font>]]</sub></font> 22:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== whoa. == |
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Many characters in the novel have names that are allusive word games. For example, Knecht's predecessor as Magister Ludi was Thomas van der Trave, a veiled reference to [[Thomas Mann]] who was born in [[Lübeck]], situated on the Trave River. Father Jacobus is based on the novelist [[Jakob Wassermann]]. The character of Carlo Ferromonte is a punning reference to Hesse's nephew Karl Isenberg. |
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Welcome back! Spotted you in my watchlist and did a quadruple take. Lots has changed (aside from the cat herding). [[User:ericg|ericg]] [[User_talk:Ericg|✈]] 06:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==Central characters== |
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*Joseph Knecht: The central character of the book. The Magister Ludi for most of the book. |
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*The Music Master: Knecht's spiritual mentor who when Knecht is a child examines him for entrance into the elite schools of Castalia. |
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* Plinio Designori: Knecht's antithesis in the world outside. |
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*Father Jacobus: Knecht's antithesis in faith. |
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*Elder Brother: A former Castalian and student of Chinese. |
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*Thomas van der Trave: Joseph Knecht's predecessor as Magister Ludi. |
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*Fritz Tegularius: A friend of Knecht's but a portent of what Castalians might become if they remain insular. |
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==Hesse's Glass Bead Game== |
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At the center of the monastic order lies the (fictitious) glass bead [[game]], whose exact nature remains elusive. The precise rules of the game are only alluded to, and are so sophisticated that they are not easy to imagine. Suffice it to say that playing the Game well requires years of hard study of music, mathematics, and cultural history. Essentially the game is an abstract [[synthesis]] of all arts and scholarship. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics. For example, a [[Johann Sebastian Bach|Bach]] [[concerto]] may be related to a mathematical [[formula]]. One [http://www.sfhreview.com/workingpapers/?p=1 description] says: |
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''“Theoretically,” writes the Narrator Archivist, “this instrument is capable of producing in the Game the entire intellectual content of the universe. The manuals, pedal, and stops are now fixed. Changes in their number and order and attempts at perfecting them, are actually no longer feasible except in theory.” And with this statement, he reveals the limitations of the game: its elitism, its hubris, its stagnation, and its sterility.In its infancy, the Game was played with delicate glass beads, which have since been discarded as too . . . real? They connected the Game with the spiritual beads played by religious believers worldwide, as the robes, and secret language, and ceremonial trappings of the game form a mock religious experience in the time of the Narrator Archivist. Without them, the game flies into the ether without a tether to reality. In our world, prayer beads and the repetition of simple phrases serve as keys to transcendence. In Castalia, they are discarded and the key is lost. The Narrator Archivist makes no reference to the ecstatic states that might be achieved by Glass Bead Game players. The games as he describes them in Knecht’s time (the twenty-second century) and his own (the twenty-fourth century) apparently fall short of what seems the obvious goal.'' |
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The Game derives its name from the fact that it was originally played with tokens, perhaps analogous to those of an [[abacus]] or the game [[go (board game)|Go]]. At the time that the novel takes place, such props had become obsolete and the game is played only with abstract, spoken formulas. The audience's appreciation of a good game draws on its appreciation of both [[music]] and mathematical [[elegance]]. |
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==RLM numbers== |
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The Glass Bead Game also brings to mind [[Leibniz]]'s notion of a universal [[calculus]] and his dream of a [[Mathesis universalis]]. [[Douglas Hofstadter]]'s ''[[Gödel, Escher, Bach]]'', even though it does not mention Hesse's novel, is an intellectual exercise very much in the spirit of the Game. |
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Could you be so kind and tell me when RLM gave its numbers for captured planes? I don't mean codes like ''Dornier Do 200'', but numbers from 8-xxx range. Another request - could you be so kind and not delete sequence of Dornier planes? You may replace it by internal Dornier designations (if you know any) but don't remove valuable info at all. [[User:Piotr Mikołajski|Piotr Mikołajski]] 12:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:If you agree that ''Dornier Do 200'' and similiar names should be removed, why are you adding them? Look at [[Dornier Do 215]], you've entered [[Zlin 212]] - plane which never got 8-212 RLM number. As for ''Dornier sequence'' - it's just RLM sequence with Dornier designs left, nothing new or revolutionary. It's made for all those who would like to look at earlier or later Dornier designs. If you can replace it with another Dornier company sequence, do it. If you are not able to replace it, leave it intact. [[User:Piotr Mikołajski|Piotr Mikołajski]] 13:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC) |
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::Well, Dornier category make no sense due to two main reasons - currently there is mix of pre-war and post-war aircraft hard to recognize for non-specialist. Second reason is more important - there are no visible and easy accessible "previous design - next design" links. I still don't know why are you going to implement failing workarounds when simple solution works excellent. [[User:Piotr Mikołajski|Piotr Mikołajski]] 14:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I don't understand your emotional approach, but you're right - further disscussion make no sens. [[User:Piotr Mikołajski|Piotr Mikołajski]] 16:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==[[Wikipedia:Aircraft encyclopedia topics]]== |
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However rather as being seen as a purely intellectual or rational notion it is more likely the glass bead game includes more [[Existential]] elements. As Hesse's other works (such as Steppenwolf for example) draw strongly on [[Existential]] themes it is likely that the glass bead game refers to the way in which people construct their realities. That is to say that the glass bead game is in fact life or existence and it illustrates the ways that people position not just themselves material but how they construct their entire perception of reality. As one needs to understand reality before one can deliberately allocate it this is the reference to the years of study. |
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Just been helping with creating redirect pages etc on the wanted aircraft encyclopedia topics, just to check it is the intention is to remove the link from the page when it goes blue ? [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] 10:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== Hiatus == |
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==Allusions/references from other works== |
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* The [[Yugoslavia|Yugoslav]] band [[Igra Staklenih Perli]], and their [[eponym|eponymous]] record, was named after the book.[http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1614] |
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Welcome back. Where'd you go? —[[User:N328KF|Joseph/N328KF]] [[User talk:N328KF|(Talk)]] 03:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== See also == |
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*[[Hermann Hesse]] |
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* [[Existentialism]] |
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* [[Jorge Luis Borges]] |
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* [[Epistemology]] |
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* [[Noosphere]] |
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* [[Ontology]] |
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* [[Polysemy]] |
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* [[Rithmomachy]] |
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* [[Syncretism]] |
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* [[Efforts to Create A Glass Bead Game]] |
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==Translation== |
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* Hermann Hesse. ''The Glass Bead Game''. Vintage Classics. ISBN 0-09-928362-X |
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Taking license with the phrase's idiomatic possibilities, I'll go with, "Tony wants to fly", or more literally, "Anthony wants to be airborne". Best, [[User:Dr. Dan|Dr. Dan]] 13:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC) |
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{{Hermann Hesse}} |
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==Aérospatiale Dauphin== |
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== External links == |
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The [[Aérospatiale Dauphin]] article is close to being merged back into the [[Eurocopter Dauphin]]. To this point, there is no opposition, so I thought I would make sure you were aware of the merge proposal. Thanks. - [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==Wiki Aircraft== |
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* [http://www.ludism.org/gbgwiki/ Glass Bead Game Wiki.] Links to efforts at developing a Glass Bead Game. |
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Just wondering why if the article is part of Wiki Aircraft t is not tagged in the talk page?? [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 11:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.erpmusic.com/Glasperlenspiel.htm Glasperlenspiel Festival.] |
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* [http://glassplategame.org/ Details] of Dunbar Aitkens' "conversation in the trappings of a board game." |
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* [http://www.beadgaming.com/pageindex.html On the hipbone metaphor.] |
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* [http://www36.pair.com/waldzell/GBG/index.html The most complex of the attempts to create a real-life Glass Bead Game.] |
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* http://www.joshuafost.com/glassbeadgame/ A Semantic Web instantiation with examples from symbolism in Pulp Fiction. |
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* http://kennexions.ludism.org/ A link to Ron Hale-Evans' Kennexions game. |
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* http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/%7Etas3/wtc/ii21.html Timothy A. Smith's Shockwave movie analyzing a Bach fugue with visual symbols. |
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* http://log24.com/theory/kal/ Kaleidoscope Puzzle with symbols like those in Smith's movie. |
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* http://www.spookybug.com/bgirls/pif.html The Gospel of Pif: A playable variation on the glass bead game |
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* http://www.island.org/ive/1/leary1.html Huxley, Hesse and The Cybernetic Society |
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I have tagged Talk:Andreasson BA-11 for you. [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 11:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC) |
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[[Category:1943 novels|Glass Bead Game]] |
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[[Category:German novels|Glass Bead Game]] |
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[[Category:Fictional games|Glass Bead Game]] |
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== Yak-30 == |
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[[de:Das Glasperlenspiel]] |
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[[fr:Le Jeu des perles de verre]] |
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Your redirect from Yak-30 trainer isn't right |
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[[it:Il gioco delle perle di vetro]] |
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Yak-30 trainer is completely different plane, i'll soon write article about it. |
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[[ja:ガラス玉演戯]] |
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So i revert your edits [[User:Mothmolevna|Mothmolevna]] 07:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC) |
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[[nl:kralenspel]] |
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[[ru:Игра в бисер]] |
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== Armstrong Whitworth aircraft == |
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Well I've now done the Scimitar (and the AW.16) and probably have got enouth sources to do something for the FK10 (although I'm not sure when I will be able to get round to it). I'm afraid I can't help with the other two however. [[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] 17:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== Moving the Dragonfly article == |
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Thanks for making the move. I searched for half an hour trying to find out who makes/made the Dragonfly without success. [[User:Rsduhamel|Rsduhamel]] 05:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== RE: Naming conventions == |
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I thought about moving F11C Goshawk to that name also, but I made a bad decision. Perhaps I should have looked closer at the naming conventions. Some of the pages I have been editing are Builder-Designation, and some are designation-nickmname. But either way it shouldn't be all three, so... Do the links need to be fixed? That page has a lot of pages linked to it. --[[User:Colputt|Colputt]] 22:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Spanish Aircrafts == |
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Hi Rlandmann, I think you will like to take a look at these articles... |
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*[[CASA C-223 Flamingo]] |
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*[[Hispano Suiza HS-42]] |
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*[[Hispano Aviacion HA-1109]] |
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*[[Hispano Aviacion Ha 100]] |
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*[[Hispano Aviacion HA 300]] |
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*[[Hispano Aviacion HA 200]] |
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Cheers, --[[User:Maurice27|Maurice27]] 19:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC) |
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===Permission granted by author=== |
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Hi Rlandmann. I just received a permission by one of the authors. see [[Talk:Hispano Aviacion HA 1109]]. I'm not pretty sure if this is the way to inform wikipedia... Cheers, --[[User:Maurice27|Maurice27]] 12:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure if you have my talk page on your watch list, so: see [[User talk:Maurice27#Ha 1109]]. Cheers, --[[User:Maurice27|Maurice27]] 20:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==[[PZL-105 Flaming]]== |
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Here you are. But as for PZL-126, I must admit, I've never heard of it before :-) Seems, that my books are older. I might write about it in the future, but from the page [http://www.powiat.mielec.pl/poser/samoloty/pzl_x/pzl126.htm] I can't tell its present status and I don't like to write about planes, that were not flown :-) By the way, as for [[Wikipedia:Aircraft_encyclopedia_topics/4]] - isn't missing KZ KZ III - [[SAI KZ III]]? [[User:Pibwl|Pibwl]] [[User_talk:Pibwl|←«]] 21:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:BTW2: we have [[LWD Żak]], so I think there's no sense to create redirects from [[LWD Zak-1]], [[LWD Zak-2]], and [[LWD Zak-3|Zak-3]]. I haven't seen Missing A/c list before :-)[[User:Pibwl|Pibwl]] [[User_talk:Pibwl|←«]] 21:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC) - I've just added a couple of redirects, to PWS mostly. |
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==[[Type 4 Heavy Machine Gun]]== |
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I have added a "{{[[Template:prod|prod]]}}" template to the article [[Type 4 Heavy Machine Gun]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]" and [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Wikipedia's deletion policy]]). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the <code><nowiki>{{dated prod}}</nowiki></code> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on [[Talk:Type 4 Heavy Machine Gun|its talk page]]. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion process]], the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion criteria]] or it can be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for Deletion]], where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. [[User:Megapixie|Megapixie]] 09:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== aerospecs template == |
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I noticed that you are using the new {{aerospecs}} template for adding specs to aircraft articles. One thing that it doesn't have that the old {aircraft specifications}} template had is a field for adding a reference - any chance of adding this? [[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] 21:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Re: CASA C-101 image == |
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Hey, likewise and nice to see you're still editing here. Unfortunately, in the case of the CASA C-101 photo I kept no record of the original image's licencing, nor do I know if or when EADS licencing policy changed. I can't imagine why I would've tagged the photo with that tag were the licence not correspondingly permissive, but I do have to admit that I was somewhat less diligent about Wikipedia's licencing rules when I first started out here (something I'm not particularly proud of). In any case, I think it's EADS' current policy that must stand, and therefore I think we're going to have to remove the image. A pity, really. — [[User:Impi|Impi]] 16:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==Bizarre behaviour from a newbie editor== |
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Hi Rlandmann, [[User:Bzuk|Bzuk]] here and the target? of some unusual comments by a new editor in the edit summaries of the [[Percival Mew Gull]] and other articles in which he/she has been contributing, as well as the editor's talk page. If you have noticed the back-and-forth edit summaries of this editor, there has been a continuing series of insinuations and taunts that is so out of proportion to the editorial changes that were actually made by myself (or others). I haven't come across anyone so knowledgable yet unwilling to accept criticism even for the smallest of errors- spelling, typos? BTW, I left two questions on the [[De Havilland Gipsy Six]] discussion page but I don't think this editor checks the talk pages, do you have any answers to these questions (as well as an answer to the rude and insulting commentary ;} )? BTW, I always find your work on aviation articles very cogent and helpful. [[User:Bzuk|Bzuk]] 12:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC). |
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::He did it again under a new anonyn alias, [[User:88.110.161.238| 88.110.161.238]]. Check edit placed right into the [[Percival Mew Gull]] article as a "disruption." Now in the "talk page" comes this comment: "Go ahead. Wiki's loss, not mine. However, instead of cutting-off your nose to spite me, why don't you look at bzuck? No one minds typos etc. sorting, but that man clearly doesn't know his subject, - but still INSISTS on buggering-up others attempts to contribute. Your efforts are going in the wrong direction entirely." Despite the many spelling and typo errors even in his submissions/comments which were the only thing that I was attempting to address since he has a good grasp on his subject, he continues to use an "attack" mentality. I do not believe this person exhibits any civility and wants an edit war. RSVP [[User:Bzuk|Bzuk]] 13:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC). |
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:::Rlandmann, thanks for your assistance in this matter. Believe me, I have tried to remain absolutely cool in the proceedings but the article is on my watch list list so it does register on my computer when changes are made. I hope you don't think that I have any obsession over this article, one of over 400 I have contributed to, mainly in the Wikipedia aircraft vein. |
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:::However, I did not appreciate the personal attacks and in reviewing my edits, I noted that all were done with a cool head and no malice intended. I even think I could really like this editor because he seems to have a real feel for the subject and his factual information is typically well-researched and grounded. My nit-picking that enraged him (and others probably) is due to my dogged editing style. As you may know, I am a "line-editor" (an editor who goes over each line word by word) "by trade" and I can appreciate that this kind of exacting editing can sometimes frustrate even the calmest of authors. (On the other hand, I am also an author and can be just as prickly over some other editor's work on '''''my''' masterpiece''!) |
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:::Contributing to Wikipedia has absorbed my time of late, and has been an "addictive" diversion although I still consider it a great editing exercise to keep me sharp. I have no abiding interest in any of the many articles that I "visit" and I hope that others will see my mainly minor edits as contributing to the general welfare of the forum. As to the "Holy Grail" comment regarding the Percival Mew Gull, I came across it quite by chance in a Google search and when I noted that two different sources had been attributed to the very same remark, I thought it was worthy of inclusion, but, then again, only in the introductory paragraph as a means of establishing an overall perspective on the importance of the aircraft type. I originally had placed it in a reference note I thought but in the sashaying back and forth, it got a bit more prominence then it deserved. |
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:::As you probably can guess by my edits, my primary interest is in uncovering the little-known and obscure aircraft type histories. I think I have a good start on some of the more esoteric Canadian topics but when it comes to British subjects, the field is wide open with thousands of unique "one-offs" and odd ball examples. I look forward to seeing more of your work on Wikipedia and I especially will look forward to the return of our friend and I will be the first one to provide him assistance if he so desires. I now will return to the task of chronicalling the numerous "weird and wonderfuls" of the sky. Feel free to email me if you would like. [[User:Bzuk|Bzuk]] 22:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC). |
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==Czech planes== |
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Why not create a template for Czech planes. Isn't the aviation topic template a little too generic? For instance after reading [[Avia BH-5]] i'd like to see a navigation box for Czech planes not a template that will connect me to missiles. [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 21:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC) |
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OK but what about a template for this |
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{{Czechplanes}} |
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ONe template could organize czech planes by period or type or whatver -I thought this might be useful [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 21:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC) |
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What would useful would be to have a template connecting all the articles on czech aicraft orgainzed by type or period in one template -this way after reading an article you have all the contents at your fingertips rather than sifting through complex cats. [[User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font color="darkblue">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ernst Stavro Blofeld| <font size="-4"><font color="Purple">'''"Expecting you"'''</font></font color> ]][[Special:Contributions/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld|<font size="-4"><font color="Grey">'''Contribs'''</font></font color>]]</sup> 21:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Word of comment - IMHO such template is senseless due to large number of types made by Czechoslovakia during 1919-1939 period. Much better are templates collecting articles about particular producers like Avia, Letov etc. Regards, [[User:Piotr Mikołajski|Piotr Mikołajski]] 06:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Actually, I dislike both --[[User:Rlandmann|Rlandmann]] 06:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Z aircraft catergorisation
While I'm sure it looks neat on the how to do lists, I wonder whether it is really user friendly to have the only catergorisation for the 10 or so aircraft manufactured in Zealand, being a series of clumsy bore down boxes click aircraft manufactuered in New Zealand, click Civil aircraft manufactured in New Zealand click aigricultural aircraft 1970-1979...I know that makes us kiwis look like we have a thriving aviation industry until you work out most of these boxes have only one entry - if that - but this lay out seems really more appropriate for the minority of nations who produce the majority of aircraft. If there is an irresistable urge to create these sub catergories by to comply with some Wiki policy, would it be okay to also leave all the aircraft as individual entries in a broad catergory, for more user friendly access? Winstonwolfe 08:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply on my page - completely agree with both your short and long term solutions ;-).
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whoa.
Welcome back! Spotted you in my watchlist and did a quadruple take. Lots has changed (aside from the cat herding). ericg ✈ 06:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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RLM numbers
Could you be so kind and tell me when RLM gave its numbers for captured planes? I don't mean codes like Dornier Do 200, but numbers from 8-xxx range. Another request - could you be so kind and not delete sequence of Dornier planes? You may replace it by internal Dornier designations (if you know any) but don't remove valuable info at all. Piotr Mikołajski 12:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- If you agree that Dornier Do 200 and similiar names should be removed, why are you adding them? Look at Dornier Do 215, you've entered Zlin 212 - plane which never got 8-212 RLM number. As for Dornier sequence - it's just RLM sequence with Dornier designs left, nothing new or revolutionary. It's made for all those who would like to look at earlier or later Dornier designs. If you can replace it with another Dornier company sequence, do it. If you are not able to replace it, leave it intact. Piotr Mikołajski 13:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, Dornier category make no sense due to two main reasons - currently there is mix of pre-war and post-war aircraft hard to recognize for non-specialist. Second reason is more important - there are no visible and easy accessible "previous design - next design" links. I still don't know why are you going to implement failing workarounds when simple solution works excellent. Piotr Mikołajski 14:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't understand your emotional approach, but you're right - further disscussion make no sens. Piotr Mikołajski 16:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, Dornier category make no sense due to two main reasons - currently there is mix of pre-war and post-war aircraft hard to recognize for non-specialist. Second reason is more important - there are no visible and easy accessible "previous design - next design" links. I still don't know why are you going to implement failing workarounds when simple solution works excellent. Piotr Mikołajski 14:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Just been helping with creating redirect pages etc on the wanted aircraft encyclopedia topics, just to check it is the intention is to remove the link from the page when it goes blue ? MilborneOne 10:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Hiatus
Welcome back. Where'd you go? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 03:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Translation
Taking license with the phrase's idiomatic possibilities, I'll go with, "Tony wants to fly", or more literally, "Anthony wants to be airborne". Best, Dr. Dan 13:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Aérospatiale Dauphin
The Aérospatiale Dauphin article is close to being merged back into the Eurocopter Dauphin. To this point, there is no opposition, so I thought I would make sure you were aware of the merge proposal. Thanks. - BillCJ 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Wiki Aircraft
Just wondering why if the article is part of Wiki Aircraft t is not tagged in the talk page?? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 11:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have tagged Talk:Andreasson BA-11 for you. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 11:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Yak-30
Your redirect from Yak-30 trainer isn't right Yak-30 trainer is completely different plane, i'll soon write article about it. So i revert your edits Mothmolevna 07:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
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Armstrong Whitworth aircraft
Well I've now done the Scimitar (and the AW.16) and probably have got enouth sources to do something for the FK10 (although I'm not sure when I will be able to get round to it). I'm afraid I can't help with the other two however. Nigel Ish 17:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Moving the Dragonfly article
Thanks for making the move. I searched for half an hour trying to find out who makes/made the Dragonfly without success. Rsduhamel 05:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
RE: Naming conventions
I thought about moving F11C Goshawk to that name also, but I made a bad decision. Perhaps I should have looked closer at the naming conventions. Some of the pages I have been editing are Builder-Designation, and some are designation-nickmname. But either way it shouldn't be all three, so... Do the links need to be fixed? That page has a lot of pages linked to it. --Colputt 22:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Spanish Aircrafts
Hi Rlandmann, I think you will like to take a look at these articles...
- CASA C-223 Flamingo
- Hispano Suiza HS-42
- Hispano Aviacion HA-1109
- Hispano Aviacion Ha 100
- Hispano Aviacion HA 300
- Hispano Aviacion HA 200
Cheers, --Maurice27 19:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Permission granted by author
Hi Rlandmann. I just received a permission by one of the authors. see Talk:Hispano Aviacion HA 1109. I'm not pretty sure if this is the way to inform wikipedia... Cheers, --Maurice27 12:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you have my talk page on your watch list, so: see User talk:Maurice27#Ha 1109. Cheers, --Maurice27 20:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Here you are. But as for PZL-126, I must admit, I've never heard of it before :-) Seems, that my books are older. I might write about it in the future, but from the page [1] I can't tell its present status and I don't like to write about planes, that were not flown :-) By the way, as for Wikipedia:Aircraft_encyclopedia_topics/4 - isn't missing KZ KZ III - SAI KZ III? Pibwl ←« 21:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- BTW2: we have LWD Żak, so I think there's no sense to create redirects from LWD Zak-1, LWD Zak-2, and Zak-3. I haven't seen Missing A/c list before :-)Pibwl ←« 21:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC) - I've just added a couple of redirects, to PWS mostly.
I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Type 4 Heavy Machine Gun, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Megapixie 09:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
aerospecs template
I noticed that you are using the new General characteristics Performance template for adding specs to aircraft articles. One thing that it doesn't have that the old {aircraft specifications}} template had is a field for adding a reference - any chance of adding this? Nigel Ish 21:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: CASA C-101 image
Hey, likewise and nice to see you're still editing here. Unfortunately, in the case of the CASA C-101 photo I kept no record of the original image's licencing, nor do I know if or when EADS licencing policy changed. I can't imagine why I would've tagged the photo with that tag were the licence not correspondingly permissive, but I do have to admit that I was somewhat less diligent about Wikipedia's licencing rules when I first started out here (something I'm not particularly proud of). In any case, I think it's EADS' current policy that must stand, and therefore I think we're going to have to remove the image. A pity, really. — Impi 16:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Bizarre behaviour from a newbie editor
Hi Rlandmann, Bzuk here and the target? of some unusual comments by a new editor in the edit summaries of the Percival Mew Gull and other articles in which he/she has been contributing, as well as the editor's talk page. If you have noticed the back-and-forth edit summaries of this editor, there has been a continuing series of insinuations and taunts that is so out of proportion to the editorial changes that were actually made by myself (or others). I haven't come across anyone so knowledgable yet unwilling to accept criticism even for the smallest of errors- spelling, typos? BTW, I left two questions on the De Havilland Gipsy Six discussion page but I don't think this editor checks the talk pages, do you have any answers to these questions (as well as an answer to the rude and insulting commentary ;} )? BTW, I always find your work on aviation articles very cogent and helpful. Bzuk 12:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
- He did it again under a new anonyn alias, 88.110.161.238. Check edit placed right into the Percival Mew Gull article as a "disruption." Now in the "talk page" comes this comment: "Go ahead. Wiki's loss, not mine. However, instead of cutting-off your nose to spite me, why don't you look at bzuck? No one minds typos etc. sorting, but that man clearly doesn't know his subject, - but still INSISTS on buggering-up others attempts to contribute. Your efforts are going in the wrong direction entirely." Despite the many spelling and typo errors even in his submissions/comments which were the only thing that I was attempting to address since he has a good grasp on his subject, he continues to use an "attack" mentality. I do not believe this person exhibits any civility and wants an edit war. RSVP Bzuk 13:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
- Rlandmann, thanks for your assistance in this matter. Believe me, I have tried to remain absolutely cool in the proceedings but the article is on my watch list list so it does register on my computer when changes are made. I hope you don't think that I have any obsession over this article, one of over 400 I have contributed to, mainly in the Wikipedia aircraft vein.
- He did it again under a new anonyn alias, 88.110.161.238. Check edit placed right into the Percival Mew Gull article as a "disruption." Now in the "talk page" comes this comment: "Go ahead. Wiki's loss, not mine. However, instead of cutting-off your nose to spite me, why don't you look at bzuck? No one minds typos etc. sorting, but that man clearly doesn't know his subject, - but still INSISTS on buggering-up others attempts to contribute. Your efforts are going in the wrong direction entirely." Despite the many spelling and typo errors even in his submissions/comments which were the only thing that I was attempting to address since he has a good grasp on his subject, he continues to use an "attack" mentality. I do not believe this person exhibits any civility and wants an edit war. RSVP Bzuk 13:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
- However, I did not appreciate the personal attacks and in reviewing my edits, I noted that all were done with a cool head and no malice intended. I even think I could really like this editor because he seems to have a real feel for the subject and his factual information is typically well-researched and grounded. My nit-picking that enraged him (and others probably) is due to my dogged editing style. As you may know, I am a "line-editor" (an editor who goes over each line word by word) "by trade" and I can appreciate that this kind of exacting editing can sometimes frustrate even the calmest of authors. (On the other hand, I am also an author and can be just as prickly over some other editor's work on my masterpiece!)
- Contributing to Wikipedia has absorbed my time of late, and has been an "addictive" diversion although I still consider it a great editing exercise to keep me sharp. I have no abiding interest in any of the many articles that I "visit" and I hope that others will see my mainly minor edits as contributing to the general welfare of the forum. As to the "Holy Grail" comment regarding the Percival Mew Gull, I came across it quite by chance in a Google search and when I noted that two different sources had been attributed to the very same remark, I thought it was worthy of inclusion, but, then again, only in the introductory paragraph as a means of establishing an overall perspective on the importance of the aircraft type. I originally had placed it in a reference note I thought but in the sashaying back and forth, it got a bit more prominence then it deserved.
- As you probably can guess by my edits, my primary interest is in uncovering the little-known and obscure aircraft type histories. I think I have a good start on some of the more esoteric Canadian topics but when it comes to British subjects, the field is wide open with thousands of unique "one-offs" and odd ball examples. I look forward to seeing more of your work on Wikipedia and I especially will look forward to the return of our friend and I will be the first one to provide him assistance if he so desires. I now will return to the task of chronicalling the numerous "weird and wonderfuls" of the sky. Feel free to email me if you would like. Bzuk 22:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
Czech planes
Why not create a template for Czech planes. Isn't the aviation topic template a little too generic? For instance after reading Avia BH-5 i'd like to see a navigation box for Czech planes not a template that will connect me to missiles. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 21:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
OK but what about a template for this
ONe template could organize czech planes by period or type or whatver -I thought this might be useful ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 21:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
What would useful would be to have a template connecting all the articles on czech aicraft orgainzed by type or period in one template -this way after reading an article you have all the contents at your fingertips rather than sifting through complex cats. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you" Contribs 21:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Word of comment - IMHO such template is senseless due to large number of types made by Czechoslovakia during 1919-1939 period. Much better are templates collecting articles about particular producers like Avia, Letov etc. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski 06:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I dislike both --Rlandmann 06:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)