Talk:Warriors (novel series): Difference between revisions

Introduction

Hi folks. Just a comment in passing. As someone totally unfamiliar with this series it took quite a bit of reading to figure out just what this series is about. Plenty about clans and character names and plotlines. Nowhere does it clearly state that this is a saga in which the main protagonists are cats living in wild cat society (a la Watership Down being about rabbits, for example). That would be a good place to start I think.MuJoCh 12:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Emphasis on "Totally unfamiliar with the series". If you want to know so much, read the books. I think we haven't really said that the books are about cats and Clans because mainly the people that read the articles have already read the first or second books. Regards, Spottedstripe 12:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but this is an encyclopedia article; by definition a resource for people unfamiliar with a topic. I don't think wanting to find the basic premise of these stories, quickly and clearly stated, is all that extraordinary. But hey, I'm just suggesting. MuJoCh 20:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, sorry, I was too mean. Spottedstripe 17:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Secrets of the Clans

ive been seeing updates from secrets of the clans on the charecters and the clan page but not on the actual secrets of the clans page!!!!! can someone please put the updates on the secrets of the clans page because i dont have the book yet. p.s. sorry for mixing up dappeletail and speckeletail on the charecters page. Cinderpeltforever

Watch out!

Okay, I belong to an RPG about warriors. There was an IP who'd call himself HackerMysterio and seemed to have a vendetta against warriors. He will say very innapropriate things like "I RAPED MICHAEL JACKSON!". Worst of all, he WILL pose as other people, (which isn't such a problem here) and type nasty things like that. However, I'd like you to look out for him, as half the members there are Wikipedians, and after we got him to leave, he said, "Ill go pester you wikapedeans now." He's probably gonna make extremely innapropriate edits to Warriors... Look out! Crowstar 13:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow...I think we'll know if he poses as someone else, because we pretty much know everyone here. I'll check all the articles really wuick to make sure he hasn't done anything yet. Regards, Spottedstripe 18:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

You beat me too it Crowstar. I was just about to warn them about this guy. Honestly I think he's just some bored person who has nothing better to do. All I know is that it was freaking annoying. Now that most of us are registered he won't be able to impersonate us on our RPG. ~Aurorastar

I think the guy just struck again on our forum. I already deleted the post. This time he called himself the 'incredible shit seller'. ~Aurorastar

Yipe...I would find it more comforting if you didn't put what he calls himself, or what he says. Regards, Spottedstripe 13:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Uhhhh.... Sorry.~Aurorastar

No prob. Spottedstripe 20:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

He's not Guest posing as Oceanstream. I used to call myself Guest (who helped out a lot with these articles), until I came up with Oceanstream to seem more like a warrior. I am not HackerMysterio, and I try to be as appropriate as possible. Oceanstream, 12:37, 3 July 2007

No one said you were. So, were you the Guest that was putting posts in some of the earlier disscusions? Spottedstripe 23:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes I was Guest, but I changed Guest to Oceanstream makes me sound more like a warrior. I try to help out as much as possible. I'm not logged in yet. I just changed my Wikipedia name. For my first few posts as Oceanstream, I put Oceanstream (Formerly known as Guest) to avoid confusion. I'm sure some people know the change now. Oceanstream, 22:50, 5 July 2007.

Yes, it makes you sound like a very noble warrior. I like the name. Spottedstripe 17:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

References?

One question... How can you have references for book sumaries? Isn't all the information from that book? And another for Metros: Why can't you have a cover description for the Lost Warrior? It is a magna series. Every time you see a picture it says who the character is. It's common sense not original research. ~Rainpaw

Simple, this is an encyclopaedia, not a repository of cruft, we shouldn't have detailed book summaries. For more information please have a read of:

• Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information: Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic. See Wikipedia:Notability (fiction).
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)
• Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)

Thanks/wangi 21:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but what about The Lost Warrior Cover? ~Rainpaw

Alright, let's put it this way, unless you have written (on the internet or in a book) proof that the authors said that Firestar of Brambleclaw or whoever is on the cover of the book, you can't say that you know 100% who is on the cover. I know just as well as anyone that common sense tells you who is on the cover, but according to Wikipedia rules, that's the way it goes. ~Bella 00:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Just as a small side note, the websites must be OFFICIAL. Just becuase a fan site says that Whitestorm is gonna come back from the dead and rule the forest does NOT MEAN that it's true. Now, if Kate Cary or Cherith Baldry said it themselves, then that would be a different story. Regards, Spottedstripe 23:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point Spottedstripe, I completely agree. ~Bella 12:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Cats of the Clans?

Supposedly, there's something coming out called Cats of the Clans. Is this true? Crowstar 14:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Apparently it was mentioned in this chat. I don't know if it's worth putting up though until there are more concrete details instead of just one mention in a chat at least 6 months in advance. Metros 14:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Me neither, we have NO details about this, except that it exists. That's like putting an article for yourself on wikipedia because "You'll be famous one day." It could even be cancelled. Crowstar 15:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

We can add info about it later when, well, when we have more information... I doubt that it'll be cancelled, but I'm sure the authors will tell us more things later. TakaraLioness 18:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You'd think something like that would just be a duplicate of SotC. Maybe not...I'm probably just dumb...Spottedstripe 21:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No, you aren't. Anyway, I think thes'll have much larger color pictures, and backgrounds for characters. Crowstar 21:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. That sounds really neat. I'll have to get that right away (just as soon as I get Secret of the Clans and any other Warrior book...I'm broke!!) Regards, Spottedstripe 00:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

When does it come out, sorry, (I never pay attention to the chats)Anna F C 03:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

You're not the only one. I've TRIED to read the posted scripts before, but they bore me.~Crowstar~ 15:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

They bore me too, but I've found a way to find on the page what I'm looking for real quick. For ex., let's say you need to find something about Dark River in a very long chat. All you have to do is press CTRL and F at the same time and a box will pop up. Type in 'Dark River' and press Find Next. It takes me right to the place where they're talking about the release of Dark River. ~Bella 12:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Articles

Many of these articles for the books need rewrites, especially Darkest Hour. If anyone wants to help, feel free to. Crowstar 16:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to. However, it's kinda late, so I'll try and do it early tomorrow. I'll try to done some tonight, though. Regards, Spottedstripe 02:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how to rewrite. I'll try though. Crowstar 11:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the "Darkest Hour", and MAN, is it ever bloated! I'm trying to figure out a way to trim it as we speak. Regards, Spottedstripe 12:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, Darkest Hour trimming was successful! I deleted those two, looooong paragraphs at the end and replaced it with a general overveiw of what happened in the book, without including much detail. That way, there are no spoilers. We should do it like that on ALL of the articles, so people will want to read the book instead of just brushing over the article. Regards, Spottedstripe 12:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Great job! ^.^ Crowstar 14:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'll start the rest of the books in sequence. Anyone wanna help with this project? We should name it "WikiProject: Warriors Books". Regards, Spottedstripe 00:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Mr. Razorclaw reverted everything back to normal. Gosh darnit, I spent a long time trying to come up with the right words to say! Guess that means I shouldn't edit anything anymore... Regards, Spottedstripe 12:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Why did he do that? Did he even say anything about why? I thought you did a good job.~Rainpaw

Ow man, he deleted that part with ALL The names and descriptions of the cats, you know, at the begining of every book, I did 3 hours of it! That is a lot for me! Anna F C 03:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Is there anyway to bring it back? I really don't think he had the right to just delete it! ~Rainpaw

I have one idea, type the edit first on Word or Word Perfect, then Copy and Paste it onto the site, then if it gets deleted you can add it back on the page from your saved document. I will try it and get back to you. Anna F C 14:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I can't find the edit this guy did.... if he deleted any part of the article, just ask him why, and if it isn't a good answer, you can get an admin to revert the edit. I looked on his talk page though and it said that he was gone from wikipedia for a while though. I also think Anna F C's idea is really good about using Word...I did that whenever I'm going to create an article. It helps with spelling and grammar too :) ~ Bella 14:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey Bella, I think you're confusing two people, but I may be wrong. Metros is on a Wiki-break, but Razorclaw was the one who deleted my edits. Although, I've been at another site for a couple of days, so maybe Razorclaw is on a break as well...I'll check his profile real quick. Regards, Spottedstripe 18:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, he has! Sorry. Spottedstripe 01:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha..you're right. Well....you still can get an admin to revert the changes if you think they should. ~Bella 00:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, as hard as this is to believe, I'm afraid of admins...too much know-how... Spottedstripe 20:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I guarentee that they won't bite! but I think I actually found a way to revert them myself...what pages were they on? ~Bella 22:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The pages I edited were The Darkest Hour and Into the Wild. I would really appreciate it if you reverted them because I'm still a bit new to Wikipedia and I DON'T KNOW HOW!! Spottedstripe 23:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I just checked all of your edits to The Darkest Hour. Why exactly are you upset, when you made just two edits to the page, both almost a month ago? One is now absolete because the book template was added, and the second edit was not exactly a good one. You shortened the plot summary so it covered next to nothing of the book. That's why it was reverted. How it was was fine. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 23:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe whether you think my edits were good or not is an opinion. I would like you to keep your opinions to yourself. And I'll have you know I spent a long time trying to come up with what to say because the articles needed trimming. I think that you could, maybe, appreciate the fact that I was the one who tried to trim the articles. No one ELSE wanted to, so I gave up my spare time to Wiki my heart out. I hope I made you feel guilty; being mean was not my intent at all. Spottedstripe 17:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Guilty? Not in the least. I said what I felt. And I understand you may be upset because you spent a long time writing something only for somebody to change it - it's happened to me plenty of times elsewhere - but that does not change the fact that what you did was anti-productive. The summaries did not need trimming. And if they did, not to the severe extent you did. However, the point is now moot, for your edits a month ago would have no impact on the article as it is now. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 17:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

According to "Wiki Clan", they DID need to be trimmed. Or did you not see the disscussion that we held on the very section?! I'll thank you for trying to understand how I felt, but I will NOT thank you for calling my edits "anti-productive". *sob* Spottedstripe 12:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Guys, why are we arguing about something that went on one month ago? And Turahk, that comment was uneeded. Little comments like that may not seem like much to you, but to the person they're aimed at... trust me. The solution here? ElectricTurhak, you don't talk to Spottedstripe, and Spottedstripe, you don't talk to him. ~Crowstar~ 12:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

...What the hell is Wiki Clan? --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 13:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and regardless of what it is, I wasn't around (Well, I was, but I didn't edit Warriors pages) back then to see any discussion regarding this, if there was any. But. Yeah. A month ago. Just let it go. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 13:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with a vandalist...

I need help with a vandalist who destroys Warriors articles by adding spam, links to fansites, and vandalism. I don't know where to report this, but if we all warn this guy... His IP is 71.82.119.242. If anyone can block him, please do. ~Crowstar~ 16:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

He even added something bad about Volume 3, which is the temporary title for the last volume in the Manga Trilogy. I really think this page needs to be Semi-Locked for a while. Guest 20:18, 14 June 2007

"Guest" you do realize that if it's semi-protected you won't be able to edit the page, right? Metros 01:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, actually, I believe 71 is blocked, so it can't be him. ~Crowstar~ 12:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind not being able to edit these pages for a while. I'm just worried about the vandalist, that's all. I want to do my best for these pages. It isn't just editing. I also want this page safe from vandalists like this guy we are trying to block right now. Guest 14:57, 18 June 2007.

Y'know, you could join, which would make editing a lot easier. ~Crowstar~ 20:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, i no this a dumb question, but can't you block the editing from one person? I no you already have an idea of who made thwe changes, but can't you like read the changes they made?For example I know my friend logged on my account, vandalised some site, and then when i logged on it wouldn't let me edit, but when I created a new account I COULD edit, just find the vandal so all the innocent editors could honestly make changes, If that is a shocking naive (which means "made by someone who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about") answer, sorry. Anna F C 03:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can block 1 person. Only admins can though. If you need any more help, ask me. ~Crowstar~ 15:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Why don't we just protect the page 'till the next book cmes out. then, the vandal will give up --Melman the cat 13:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think 71 wouldn't still be blocked right now...I think that block was only 24 hrs. But I'm not an admin so I'm not sure. I don't really think we should semi-protect the pages now...if he/she vandalizes anymore, I think they have something near a permanent block anyway.... ~Bella 00:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

It is 71. I know this because I checked this page's history, and I noticed that 71 made that change with Volume 3 (where I requested semi-protection, to protect this page from 71 and other vandals, even though I wouldn't be able to edit this page for a while). I'll try to fix any vandalisim he puts on Warriors pages. Oceanstream (formerly known as Guest), 12:25, 3 June 2007

I wasn't saying that it wasn't 71, I was just saying that he's probably not blocked right now and it probably out there vandalizing, or will be. ~Bella 22:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Dark River

The Dark River page redirects me back to warriors (novel series). I have no idea how to make a change like that so I just thought I should tell you. SquirrelFlyte 14:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that it was merged, I have no idea though. ~Crowstar~ 14:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the book'll get its own page later, I guess. TakaraLioness 18:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Basically all we know is it's PROBABLY from Hollypaw's POV, and that Cinderpaw falls out of a tree. ~Crowstar~ 18:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Well, it's probably going to have all of the trio's POVs, but yeah, I'm sure that Hollypaw'll be the main focus. TakaraLioness 18:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

All I know is that the page was nominated for deletion, so it probably was deleted. ~Bella 20:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably. I doubt that it had much on it at all. We don't know a lot about Dark River. TakaraLioness 20:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

As of now, we have too little information on Dark River. What would be made in the article would be a horrible stub. Just wait until the book is released to recreate it.

And FYI. When something is made into a redirect, when you are redirected, it shows at the top of the page "Redirect from *insert page name here*". Click the portion I have marked in asterisks (*), and it will take you to the actual page. You can then check that page's history to see why it was so bad. I assumed this was common Wiki knowledge. ElectricTurahk 01:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So, what do you mean by that? Implying we don't know anything about Wikipedia? Spottedstripe 12:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hardly. I was just pointing something out because it looked like the editor who started this section did not know that. It was not directed at you. Especially because you have not taken part in this discussion. ;) ElectricTurahk 12:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

People, where talking about Dark River, not wheter Spottedstripe can use wiki. Now,about Dark river. Why don't we just un-link the words and when the book comes out,re-liknk the words.We currently don't know anything important about the book --Melman the cat 13:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Now here's a different proposition. Look at Outcast. It's just fine, and we have even less information on it. Why can we not just fix Dark River up so it is acceptable? Still, removing the link was rather obvious... I had already assumed it had been done. ElectricTurahk 13:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not against either idea, though it'd probably just be easier to wait until we got a lot more information on the book... TakaraLioness 16:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I knew Dark River might have been deleted because I did what you said. I found out all the info there was on Dark River and incorperated it into the article with citations and also made it an infobox (before it was deleted, obviously). Apparently they still voted to delete it. Another point a user made was that, it's going to be a big book in the series, and instead of going and creating the article all over again and possible starting something of an article deletion war, it might be easier to just lay back and wait for the book to come out like somebody previously mentioned. ~Bella 21:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, let's wait for more info. And, ElectricTurahk, I said WE in my previous post, so I KNOW it wasn't aimed towards me. And Melman, "Spottedstripe" is one word. Spottedstripe 13:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay,Fixed it --Melman the cat 18:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The book articles themselves

I was going over the book articles, and typing in what the cover is proven to be, in the box on the right with all the info, but somebody went back and deleted it. -.- It was good info, too! But they changed it back to stupid stuff like saying that the cover of The Darkest Hour is cats watching the sunset (it's the dawn), that the cat on the cover of Twilight is black and that cats are sitting on rocks there, that Leafpool on Starlight is light ginger, that Bramblepaw is rubbing against Fireheart on A Dangerous Path, that Feathertail is a gray tabby, that Brambleclaw is dark orange, etc. Look, what's the point of putting in a description if it's proven to be a certain cat (like how The Darkest Hour can't be anybody else but Firestar in the center) or confirmed by the authors? Can't we just put what it's proven to be?

66.157.111.88 13:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.157.111.88 13:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

As you have seen if you look at some of the earlier discussions, it does seem pretty obvious to people who've read the books who is on the cover of the books, but unless someone can find an exact quote from the book or from the authors that says exactly who those cats are, we can't assume they are Firestar or Graystripe or whatever. The reason this happens is because it is an encyclopedia, and no assumptions can be made without proof. ~Bella 19:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I did all those, Lakestorm. It was at the beginning of June when TakaraLioness, Metros and I got into kind of a disagreement, and Takara suggested that we just put the cat descriptions instead of which cat we thought it was. That would get rid of all arguements about center covers. If you want someone to blame, it was me, but don't change it back or else we'll start fighting again. Regards, Spottedstripe 23:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to blame you. I saw that argument, and (if I'm not going to get flamed) I believe that Metros was acting very stupid (who else could the cat in the center of The Darkest Hour be?) but here's an idea: post the actual, common-sense confirmed cats, and for Twilight, put Crowfeather or Cinderpelt, for Rising Storm, Sandstorm or Tigerclaw.

Aside from that, here's something else: it seems like everyone believes that the cat on Secrets of the Clans is Thunderstar. What about you? Because I do, but people keep deleting it. So I get kind of angry...when that's as good as proven, and people still say it's speculation. 66.157.111.88 23:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.157.111.88 23:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

OK...yet again....the rules on Wikipedia state that no matter how much you think this piece of info is true... you cannot put it on Wikipedia unless it is PROVEN! (said by the author or is written in the books) I apologize if this makes you angry, but unless you have solid proof (not common sense or your opinion) you cannot put it on Wikipedia. ~Bella 00:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, please do not put the 'common sense confirmed cats' on the pages because they will be deleted unless you have proof, and we don't want anymore arguments. ~Bella 00:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• cough* Some of them are good as proven. For example, on Into the Wild, the center features a ginger cat with sunlight streaming down on him. On the back, the same picture shows him with a broken collar in front of him. This is an actual scene from the book, during Rusty/Firepaw's naming ceremony. On The Darkest Hour's center cover, it shows a ginger cat drinking from a pool with a lion's reflection. This is also an actual scen from the book featuring Firestar. On Midnight, the center features a brown tabby's head. The main Warriors website has Brambleclaw's picture being this image, and the image for Highstones being the rest of the book. The authors proved that the cat on Moonrise is Feathertail. The cat on Dawn is a ginger tabby with green eyes. The book is told from mostly Squirrelpaw's, a ginger she-cat with green eyes, point of view. The authors said somewhere that the cat on Starlight is Leafpaw/pool. There are badgers on Twilight, and it's in a rocky hollow. ThunderClan makes their camp in a rocky hollow, and this is the only instance of badgers in the book. The cat on Sunset is a dark brown tabby with blue eyes. The only dark tabby with blue eyes in the books is Hawkfrost, and most of the book is about him and Brambleclaw anyway. Also in Sunset, Leafpool has a dream in which all the stars come together to form a single glittering path on the lake, and Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight are seen on the end of this path. On The Sight the only three points of view used are Jaypaw, a gray tom with blue eyes, Hollypaw, a black she-cat with green eyes, and Lionpaw, a ginger tom with amber eyes. The prophecy refers to them (There will be three, kin of your kin, who hold the power of the stars in their paws.). The cover of The Sight (the actual one, anyway) features a gray cat with blue eyes, a black cat with green eyes, and a ginger cat with amber eyes. And also, suring most of the first series, books feature a ginger cat. The only two prominent ginger cats are Firestar and Sandstorm, and Sandstorm is light ginger. Plus, it's from his point of view anyway.

See? Sometimes common sense actually works.

66.157.111.88 01:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.157.111.88 01:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, fine. If you wanna start an arguement, go for it, but I'm gonna do nothing to help you out of it, and I'm sure Bella won't either. Just have everyone start yelling again, get everything out of whack, but you'll have to fix it yourself. By the way, don't reply to this, because there's nothing to say. Spottedstripe 12:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeaaaaah...I'm not trying to start an argument. Bella said unless I can prove it from the books or from what the authors said, not to put it, and I'm just showing that some of it IS proven from the books. Sorry.

66.20.174.191 13:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.20.174.191 13:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have made the whole 'proven in the books' statement more clear. I completely understand where your coming from and this the whole thing is ridiculous, when right in front of you, you can see who the charcters are. But it has to say in the book something to the effect of 'the cat on the cover of this book is Firestar' or something like that. There are other cats, I'm sure, that have a pelt that looks like fire and might have broken their collars, and therefore they could be depicted in this picture. This annoying rule is used to try to prevent someone thinking that the cat on the front is Firestar, when it is really another cat. ~Bella 17:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree, Bella. Sorry, Lakestorm, about what I said. Just lost my temper for a minute there. Regards, Spottedstripe 20:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, true. But Firestar's the only cat who's prominent in the book and is a kittypet in the forest with a flame-colored pelt. I'm not gonnan put anything back on first--let readers use their imagination (which, I'm sure, will almost definitely be Firestar for Into the Wild). 66.20.174.191 22:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.20.174.191 22:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, and I'm positive the readers will think that the cat is Firestar too. :) ~Bella 12:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I'd like to know what readers would think it was if they DIDN't think is was Firestar. ("I'm REALLY positive that the cat on The Darkest Hour is Sandstorm!") Spottedstripe 23:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Not only readers of the books read the articles on Wikipedia, and really, if you want to continue this argument, please tell an admin or something about how much you don't like this rule. I really don't want to argue over this any further. ~Bella 15:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

CotC

Do we have any info yet for Cats of the Clans? If we do, we need to stick it in the article under the title. Spottedstripe 23:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

No need now, for I was bold and made the article for it. All information should relevant to the book should be added to its page. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 23:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Could we possibly add the births, deaths, ect. that appear in this book like we do with the others Warriors books? Just an idea. 209.30.147.52 15:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, the book isn't out yet so we can't add that sort of stuff yet. SquirrelFlyte 16:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I was just checking. Spottedstripe 17:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

well,er... we know that it lists the cats of the clans, and, we will probly ( not confurmed) see some new cats I don't think there will be B-days and stuff about every cat, but maby we'll find out that about major carecters also, maby ages anyone ? --Melman the cat 18:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that idea I posted I meant to put on Secrets of the Clans, but I got mixed up. Still, the idea might work on Cats of the Clans also. Shrewpelt 00:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The Lost Warrior Article

Personally I think some work need to be done on the article. It acts as if the book hasn't been released yet and doesn't talk about the story at all. It also talks about the 'note' from Erin Hunter but we already know what it says. ~Rainpaw

I think SotC should be rewritten too, it's basically notes on how we knew the book would be like, and 1 paragraph detailing what it's about. ~Crowstar~ 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I could give it a shot if you like. I just joined wikipedia not too long ago but I'm a big fan of the warriors series and I have those two books. I can't say how good I'll be but... Barn Cat 22:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to to do Secrets of the Clans. 75.41.213.49 13:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Ugghh. Never mind. I can't do the articles. I have to do a lot of work for another article, sorry. Barn Cat 15:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

And while we're at it, Dark River could be remade into a similar fashion like Outcast was... I suppose I could do that myself... --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 16:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

All right, this is what I'm doing for SotC. I'm going to keep the first paragraph and the excerpt link, but I'm going to delete all the little previews from the authors and the footnote section. Then I'll place sections for every chapter (except the territories chapter, because it's just maps) in the book: Clans, Places (modified name for Beyond the Territories), Ceremonies, Breaking the Warrior Code, Prophecies and Omens, Medicine, Cats Outside the Clans, Other Animals, Mythology, and the Glossary. Tell me what you think. I'll do it soon if everyone's okay with what I'm doing. 75.41.213.49 18:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So you'll basically turn it into the Clan page? :P --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I really don't recommend redoing Dark River at all because when I figured out it was nominated for deletion, I worked real hard on it and fixed it up, but they still ended up deleting it with the idea that it was too early to really know too much about the book, and when the book came out we'd make an article about it. If you do want to remake the article, I suggest you talk it over with Metros, because he was the one who nominated it for deletion in the first place. ~Bella 18:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm doing the Secrets of the Clans rewrite on Tuesday if no one has anything to say about rewriting it. So speak up! Shrewpelt 15:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I say go ahead, and it probably will be looking a lot like the Clan page, but I think it should be shorter, so it just shows a basic overveiw of the Clan page, not everything from the book has to be added.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 16:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Shrewpelt 19:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Then I say, go for it, and be bold! :)  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 00:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Started! Shrewpelt 14:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Finished! I don't think it's great, but it's better then it was before. What do you think? If you think it's really bad, I'll change it back. Shrewpelt 15:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It's much better then what it was, but I deleted the Glossary and Pictures section because they provided no real information. I would think that you might be able to quote the book, and list all the herbs used in the books. (I would be doing this if I had the book!) I just think it's a little too general, I think the rest of the section could be beefed up. Anyone who has the book could help out a lot with this!  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's a start. 75.37.214.171 22:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I good start, :) It looks a lot better then what it started out as. :)  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 12:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Tone and Style

Many of the aricles have the tone template saying that they are not in the proper tone for the article and they are completely right. I just redid Rising Storm's summary, and it was pretty bad. If someone wants to help me do this, it would be much appreciated. I just thought I'd make everyone more aware of this point.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 18:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I also just did Into The Wild as well.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 18:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, Bella! Nice font for your username! I've always wanted to figure out how to do those. Spottedstripe 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually I didn't change the font, just the color, which is pretty easy to do. And thanks. :)  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 13:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Covers

ElectricTurahk: I know you have proof that the cats on Into the Wild and Midnight are Rusty and Brambleclaw. I also have proof that the cat on The Darkest Hour is Firestar but everybody says "it's not proven". Can we leave that out, considering that no other book has it?

72.154.53.67 12:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 12:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

But because there is proof, it's all right to be included (Show me The Darkest Hour proof - despite it being incredibly obvious - and I'll back you up there.). And if we have the info, why not include it? --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 14:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but still. Yanno where I'm coming from?

...kay then. There is a scene in which Firestar drinks from a pool and sees his reflection as a lion.

If we can prove that, why not post the covers for every book, when almost every cover can be proved? :P

72.154.53.67 19:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 19:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Why not? I wasn't around during the last time this happened, but I do have a suggestion. Find the reasoning. Put it on the talk page. Add it in. If it's disputed, discuss it. And by discuss it, I mean each individual cover, not as a whole - that's what I think the problem was last time. --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 20:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes. I can do that. But not now, maybe later...

72.154.53.67 23:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.67 23:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, then, I'm ready. :P By the way, these are my opinions, but they're not stupid stuff like "omg da covr off into th wild is hollypaw and lionpaw!!!!!!"

Into the Wild: Cover: Spottedleaf telling Bluestar the prophecy. The area of the forest looks like a clearing, and Spottedleaf's den is in a clearing. Spottedleaf is a dappled tortoiseshell, while Bluestar is a blue-gray cat. Spottedleaf in the picture is black and ginger/brown, and the Bluestar is gray.

Fire and Ice: Cover: The battle at the gorge. The sky is rosy, like a tinge of dawn, and the cats have the battle in early morning. The battle is near a slight waterfall, like there is in the gorge. The land is pretty normal, like no trees, like WindClan or RiverClan territory around there. Center Cover: Fireheart and Graystripe holding vigil. The moon is nearly full, and there was a Gathering just a few nights after they became warriors. They are sitting side-by-side, as they are during their vigil. One is ginger and the other gray, just like Fireheart and Graystripe.

Forest of Secrets: Cover: Two cats going across the stepping-stones to RiverClan. It is unknown who these two cats are, but I personally think they're Fireheart and Graystripe. Center Cover: Fireheart. There is no other ginger cat in the series, and he is the point of view for the series, as well as the main character.

Rising Storm: Cover: Fireheart following Whitethroat and Littlecloud under the Thunderpath, and a cat following him (this could be debated as to whether it's Sandstorm or Tigerclaw, but I personally think it's Tigerclaw). The cats waiting have the same coloring, and the ginger cat looks like Fireheart. The other cat could be Tigerclaw since he stalks Fireheart, or Sandstorm as she's with Fireheart in this scene. Center Cover: Hardcover: Fireheart and Cloudpaw. Fireheart is bright ginger, like this cat, and his apprentice is Cloudpaw, which is fluffy and white like this cat. Paperback: Fireheart and Sandstorm. Fireheart is bright ginger, like the foremost cat, and Sandstorm is paler ginger, like the cat behind Fireheart. Plus, Fireheart and Sandstorm seem to be doing a lot together in this book.

A Dangerous Path: Cover: The confrontation over the prey stealers. The two lines aren't fighting each other, but seem to be posed to attack, and also seem tense (as they are in the book). But then, on the official Warriors website, it says this is ShadowClan territory, so you'll have to find something that fits this. ><; Center Cover: Fireheart and Bramblepaw. Fireheart is bright ginger, like this cat, and his apprentice is Bramblepaw, who is a dark brown tabby like this cat.

The Darkest Hour: Cover: Firestar, Sandstorm, Graystripe, and Bramblepaw watching the dawn in the final scene of the book. The sky is that of either sunset or dawn, and also, the official Warriors website says this is Fourtrees. Center Cover: Firestar seeing his reflection as a lion. The cat is ginger, like Firestar, and is drinking from a pool with a lion reflected.

Midnight: Cover: The six (continued on back) journey cats. There are six of them, and also, the official Warriors website says this is Highstones, which they pass during their quest.

Moonrise: Cover: The six journey cats (continued on back) heading home through the mountains, with Sharptooth's shadow. The mountains are snowy, like they are in Moonrise, and the shadow only appears on the front. Center Cover: Feathertail. The cat is a silver tabby with blue eyes, which Feathertail is. Stormfur is a dark gray cat with amber eyes.

Dawn: Cover: The Clans looking into the star-reflected lake at their new home as dawn comes up. There are many cats, and they're by a lake with a pink tinge of dawn on the sky. Center Cover: Squirrelpaw. The book is from her point of view, and the cat is ginger with green eyes, like Squirrelpaw.

Starlight: Cover: The cats fighting over Mudclaw's leadership. It's the only real fight in the book. Center Cover: Leafpool. The book is from her point of view, and the cat is a brown/ginger tabby with amber eyes, like her.

Twilight: Cover: ThunderClan as the badgers attack. There are badgers at the bottom, and it's in a hollow like ThunderClan's camp. Center Cover: Crowfeather. The cat is a smallish (WindClan-looking), dark gray cat with blue eyes. Crowfeather is a dark gray cat with blue/amber eyes. It could be debated whether this is Crowfeather or Cinderpelt.

Sunset: Cover: Leafpool looking into the lake during her dream. There is a lone cat, and it is looking into a lake with a single path of stars. Center Cover: Hawkfrost. The cat is an evil-looking dark brown tabby with ice-blue eyes.

The Sight: Cover: A thunderstorm. Do I really need to explain? Center Cover: Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw. The cats are gray with blue eyes, black with green eyes, and ginger with amber eyes, like Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw.

Secrets of the Clans: Cover: Shadowstar, Windstar and Riverstar under a starry sky. They fit with the center cover. Center Cover: Thunderstar. He is ginger with amber eyes, and he fits with Shadowstar, Windstar and Riverstar. These could be muchly debated.

The Lost Warrior: Cover: Graystripe and Millie confronting Duke and his gang. What else, really, could it be? Center Cover: Graystripe. The cat is shaggy gray, and the book is about Graystripe.

My input. :P

66.157.101.194 13:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 66.157.101.194 13:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm afraid I don't think this is enough to say that we know for positive that the characters can be named on the covers. I'm getting really sick of always explaining this. If you would like to know why this isn't enough proof, please see the following conversation. I know you think it sucks or whatever, but it's the rule and I would really appreciate it if no one else would bring up this argument again. Thanks,  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 21:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

ElectricTurahk asked. :/ So that's why I posted it. D:

72.154.53.234 13:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC) Lakestorm 72.154.53.234 13:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's alright, I just kind of lost my temper there, sorry. I just would like to ask that no one posts anthing about this in the future unless they have written proof from the authors.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 15:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I pissed you off, I only brought it up because I did have proof for two the novels, but I've already explained those two. The others... Yeah, whatever... --~|ET|~(^{Talk|Contribs}) 20:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's OK.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think we should just ask whoever designed the covers. If not that person then one of the Erin Hunters. ~Rainpaw