User talk:Fastily: Difference between revisions

Feedback request

Could you look at File:ETrade.svg for me. I have a particular user that vaguely asserts the logo isn't just text. Thoughts? — BQZip01 — ^talk 06:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Two arrows and caps? I would say pd-ineligible. I always thought HS was a little more reasonable than that. Apparently I was wrong. Cheers, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 06:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the 4th opinion... — BQZip01 — ^talk 17:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

HS refuses to discuss and doesn't agree with us. However, he decided to delete the comments saying discussion is "just not worth the constant aggravation". I'm growing tired of this kind of "discussion" with HS. He demands discussion on a topic and then refuses to discuss the merits of an argument and instead attacks the contributors while questioning their motives. I've said it before and I'll say it again, HS generally does a fantastic job patrolling for appropriate uses of NFC, but he gets it wrong too often and won't listen to reason (case in point above). As he refuses any discussion on his talk page or on any topic, I'm thinking WP:RfC is the only option available (short of ArbCom). Your thoughts? — BQZip01 — ^talk 20:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

If a solution is clearly not going to be achievable through talk pages or ANI, I say go for it. If I recall correctly, this has not been the first time HS has refused to discuss and needless to say, it will probably not be the last if something is not done. HS's last comment here is borderline trolling. Enough is enough I think. Regards, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 00:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I will happily do the leg work on this one, but given my prior interactions with HS, I think it would be best if you actually filed it. My goal here is to stop such disruptive behavior. I do not desire to get HS indef blocked or permanently banned, but this kind of behavior has to stop somehow. Hopefully community feedback will help. — BQZip01 — ^talk 06:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hm. Alright. I can do that, but I shall need some evidence (if you have time, a couple diffs would be greatly appreciated) and acknowledgement from Hammersoft that further refusal to discuss will result in an RfC (I'll take care of this). Basically, I'll prep an RfC, but not turn it live unless Hammersoft continues disruptively editing. How does that sound? Regards, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 06:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds fine. I'll get to it this afternoon/evening. — BQZip01 — ^talk 14:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

IRL issues will prevent a full list for a few days. I should have a simple update for you by sometime tomorrow morning. Thanks. — BQZip01 — ^talk 01:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

List

Just a sampling of the recent edits and the reasons I find them disruptive:

Let's start with his comments below [1][2]:

Apathy/Annoyance

• "Am I wrong on the E-Trade logo? Frankly, I don't care."

  What HS fails to realize is that this is the very problem. If he doesn't care, then why is there a problem in the first place? The truth is he does care...until I get involved and then he is annoyed and tries to vilify my apropriate by-the-book responses. Another person making the exact same changes is fine, but not me. Then he shuts down and blames the entire problem on me, when in fact, his changes are the ones not in line with policy.

Vilifying those who disagree with him/Ignoring

• User_talk:Syrthiss#BQZip01_stalking_again

  Feel free to read it all. Here's a few choice comments:

  • "I'm ignoring your comments as they are too transparent."
  • "Scattering your comments through mine makes it very difficult to read yours. Ignored."
  • "Legal threat ignored, as I am not a criminal." (I just said he should follow policy instead of interjecting language linked to crimes)

Dramatising/logical fallacies

• "I'm at the point where I have two choices; either leave the project, or acquiesce to whatever BQZ says"

  ...or you could just stop the problematic behavior and start being more helpful.

• (below) "Whether you have the right to follow my edits is immaterial at this point. You know full well the aggravation you are causing me in doing it. "

  I'm not going to make my edits exclusively based upon the emotions of others. It would be just as reasonable to ask him to stop all contributions to Wikipedia because I feel sad about them.

Exaggerating

• User_talk:Syrthiss#BQZip01_stalking_again

  Feel free to read it all.

Refusal to discuss

• "I didn't refuse to discuss. I in fact took the discussion elsewhere in an attempt to avoid debating with you"

  That would be "refusing to discuss" something, by definition. — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

• WP:HAMMERSOFTSLAW
  • "Once...an insult is made, the person making the insult has proven themselves to be wrong on all counts."

    If he deems something an insult, he feels he can discount everything the person says/said.

  • "Any person resorting to personal attacks is incapable of rational discussion."

    Anyone who makes a statement that HS deems a personal attack can be ignored ad infinitum.

Acting on his own beliefs as if they are policy

• "zapping redirect as it results in fair use image being used in userspace in violation of WP:NFCC #9

  Redirects are used all over the place. They don't result in any new usages of NFC on the redirect page.

• User_talk:Syrthiss#BQZip01_stalking_again
• (from below) "What would have happened if BQZip01 hadn't interjected himself onto the E-Trade logo question? The logo would still be here, would still be used on the appropriate article."

  Which is the point. The "appropriate" place is basically wherever anyone wants it, not just on the E*trade article. The image should be on Commons and use should only be limited by trademark restrictions.

• WP:HAMMERSOFTSLAW

  just read...

Taunting/Profanity/Snide remarks/general incivility

• "rv badly formed English and $.02 insults by a chicken shit anonymous vandal. Is that the best you can do?)"
• "(50,000 more now. I wonder how long Wikipedia will keep up the charade of being "free") "
• User:Hammersoft & WP:HAMMERSOFTSLAW

  He revels in being a pain for people. Note the taunt "Yippie Kai Yay", in which he leaves out the taunting "motherf**ker" and that he is apparently more interested in deleting than getting things right.

This is the best I could whip together in an hour, but it is slow-speed tendentious editing in which he is more interested in the letter of the law than getting things right and fixing things that are wrong. Please note from Sythiss's page that he doesn't mind getting something deleted because if it is needed someone else will add it again and eventually the appropriate tags will be fixed. Your thoughts? — BQZip01 — ^talk 21:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

How about my thoughts?

• Accusation that I am apathetic about the e-trade logo: No, I'm was not apathetic about it. I became apathetic about it when it became apparent that it was an exploding drama bomb. Whether or not it has the right tagging is worth a lot less to me than the drama bomb that has resulted. I believe in eventualism. If it's wrong, it will eventually get fixed. Given how much heat it generated, it's not worth it to me to do anything about it.
• Vilifying others: Not the case at all. When you scatter comments through mine, it does make it difficult to read. I did and have ignored it because it's too difficult for me to follow. If you formatted it properly in accordance with WP:TALK and threading, I would have read it. As to the legal threat, you accused me of being a criminal. I ignored it. I could have reported it. I was kind to you for the furtherance of discussion rather than trying to blow it up even more.
• Dramatizing; I AM at the point where those two choices remain because you are constantly looking over my shoulder despite the absolute distress you know it causes me. Yesterday when this all blew up I was *this* close to quitting. I'm sick of being harangued by you. Since I can't make it stop, my choices appear to be accept it or quit. Is there another option? Sure, months of dispute resolution, which I really don't want to deal with.
• Refusing to discuss; yes; I refused to discuss it with you knowing full well the arguments that always ensure when you and I interact. So I should have chosen instead to interact with you knowing it would blow up? Maybe so. Hell, it blew up anyway.
• Insults; Yes, you're right, I don't have to accept insults and I do ignore people once the insults begin. I don't see any reason why I have to give quarter to people who devolve to personal insults. If I choose to ignore them, that's my problem; not yours, not theirs. The mike becomes there's at that point; I'm gone from the conversation. How does that harm them?
• Zapping a redirect; you don't understand. The redirect (I don't know what else to call it) that was pulling in a main space article to user space was, perhaps as a bug, causing a mainspace article with a fair use image to be displayed in userspace. That's against policy. I don't zap redirects for the hell of it. There's no policy against redirects. All of my actions are in regards to policy, not personal opinion.
• HAMMERSOFTSLAW: Yes, I know you hate that page. So? It shows my intolerance for insults. You apparently are more tolerant of them. Fine by me. You can be as tolerant as you want of them. But, my intolerance for personal insults is none of your business and you don't have the privilege of judging me negatively because I am intolerant of personal insults.
• Yes, it is a charade that Wikipedia is free. So? You want me censured because I think it's a charade? Note that you ARE permitted to have personal opinions of Wikipedia on your userpages.
• My rv of the anonymous vandal. So? Yes, it violates personal attacks and I shouldn't have done it. That said, I have little respect for someone who uses an anonymous IP who obviously has a beef with me.
• I do NOT revel in being a pain to people. I revel in making Wikipedia compliant with its policies. That causes pain to some people. Note the current last section of my talk page where a user it very mad at me for removing a fair use image from his userpage (which an administrator also later did and warned him about, and now he's mad at that administrator). I don't care if someone gets mad at me. I don't. That doesn't mean I revel in it. Attributing emotions to me which do not exist is wrong. You have a negative opinion of my userpage. So what? I have a negative opinion of yours. Should I seek to have you censured for it? No, because it complies with WP:UP, just as mine does. Also, I specifically left out the extension of the quote because I didn't want to use it. Attributing the the use of the extension of the quote to me is improper. Further, I find it funny to cite those records as part of the overall post-it that is a joke. If you are actually taking that post-it seriously, well that's your choice. It's obviously a joke. If it's not a joke to you, you don't have to read it over and over again. Just ignore my userpage; problem solved. Are you going to attempt to censure me for asserting my username is a pseudonym for Fart Me Ohms? Or for quoting Dennis Miller (I have had my life threatened here)? Point #2 ties in nicely to the nuclear bomb animated gif. Point #1 goes right to the core of the problem Wikipedia faces, day in day out. What else? Are you going to censure me for putting File:Editor - plutonium star 2.jpg on my userpage? Look, if you don't like my userpage, you don't have to look at it. Ever. Just ignore it.

--Hammersoft (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Hammersoft response

• Ah, and now I see the genesis. Ok, first and very importantly, an apology; BQZ, I can see how my comment here could be construed as a personal attack against you. That was not my intention. Please accept my apology. It is sincere and wholehearted. Second, as I noted on my talk page, I didn't refuse to discuss. I in fact took the discussion elsewhere in an attempt to avoid debating with you, since all such debates end poorly between you and I. See Wikipedia_talk:NFC#File:ETrade.svg_free_or_non-free.3F. Am I wrong on the E-Trade logo? Frankly, I don't care. It just doesn't matter enough to me to have to deal with this. I'm not here to engage in a months and months and months long personal war with BQZip. I have desperately tried to stop it, but on it goes. I'm at the point where I have two choices; either leave the project, or acquiesce to whatever BQZ says whenever he and I interact, because I am losing sheerly by the presence of these never ending debates between he and I. I'm sick of it. I have asked at least five times for this to end, but on it goes. Fastily, you claimed on my talk page that my behavior has been brought to the attention of AN/I several times. The only time where I can find this to be the case was one brought in October 2009 by none other than BQZip01. See [[3]]. I have repeatedly begged and pleaded for BQZip01 to leave me alone. Over and over and over and over again I have done this. BQZip01 continues to claim he has done absolutely nothing wrong, and continues to not leave me alone. This latest spat between BQZip01 would never have happened had BQZip01 stopped following me. And what would have happened if BQZip01 hadn't interjected himself onto the E-Trade logo question? The logo would still be here, would still be used on the appropriate article. So, here we sit yet again with yet another drama bomb going off because of the inability for Hammersoft and BQZip01 to not interact with each other. Fastily, if you want to educate yourself on just a taste of this ongoing war, see User_talk:Syrthiss#BQZip01_stalking_again. All of this ends the moment BQZip01 agrees to stop following me. All of it. So if you want to start an RfC, then by all means go right ahead and do so. I will be very happy to present the evidence which I have been gathering for months regarding BQZip's behavior in regards to me. Failing BQZip leaving me alone, it WILL end up at RfC because these ridiculous drama bombs are going to continue to go off every time we interact. I am not alone as a person who finds it highly difficult to work with BQZip. I cite User:Melesse here.
• BQZip, you are a rational, intelligent human being. You say my edits are a gold mine of things to fix around here. Whether they are or not is not the point. The point is you can direct your efforts elsewhere, and avoid interacting with me, avoiding all this ridiculous drama. You can go to Category:Wikipedia files with no non-free use rationale, Category:Images requiring maintenance, Category:Wikipedia files with unknown source and more. You don't have to follow my edits to find things to do. Surely you can see that the two of us working together is non-productive. Surely you can see how many times drama bombs have gone off between us. Surely you can agree that the best course of action is to simply avoid me. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to try to clarify this further, in as much as I can. BQZip, I don't care if you're right. I don't care if I'm wrong. For the sake of argument, let's just assume that everything you've ever said in regards to me with respect to policy and guideline is absolutely spot on, flawless, perfect, without a doubt an exact and correct application of policy and guideline. Fair enough? No sarcasm here. I'm just generating a thought experiment to help explain. Given that precept, there are three things that I wish to point out:

1. Even given the above, the constant presence of your editing things I have edited, despite my begging and pleading that you stop doing so, is disruptive in and of itself. Whether you have the right to follow my edits is immaterial at this point. You know full well the aggravation you are causing me in doing it.
2. Given how many times you have indicated I am in violation of policies and/or guidelines, there should be absolutely zero problem with you obtaining an indefinite block of my editing until such time as I agree to edit within policy and guideline.
3. Even if I am wrong in every single edit that I do on Wikipedia, you are not my personal sheriff. If I am doing something wrong, then report it somewhere appropriate and leave it for others to sort out and/or take action. The last time you did so was October of 2009 at WP:AN/I. It's been almost half a year since then, and you continue to maintain I am a disruptive presence...without reporting me for being so. Every time I edit, I edit knowing you are looking over my shoulder like my personal watchdog. That's ArbCom's job and administrators empowered to enforce their sanctions, not yours. I am not under your personal probation, without any means of vacating it.

This has to end. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Image Copyright

Hi Fastily,

I have uploaded three images recently and I was asked for a copy right. The images are the following: Desta-Damtew.jpg. , Habte Giyorgis.jpg. and Ras-Darge.jpg.

The source of these three images is my music video I purchased a while ago. You can also find this music video at youtube and the address is : " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaP16aUvC1Y&feature=PlayList&p=091677174F358351&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19 "

I uploaded the images strictly for informational purposes.

Please don't delete it —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmbaSel (talk • contribs) 05:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Please carefully read WP:UPI. If you are still confused after reading or need further guidance/assistance, let me know and I'll see what I can do to help. Regards, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 00:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

rfa

i would like to continue —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leak rodriguez (talk • contribs) 16:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Please notice text

Could you be a little more careful in your tagging of images for deletion? You tagged File:Coloratura passage.png as lacking permission, even though (1) it noted in text that it was PD, so you could have so marked it with a template, and (2) it's music written by Mozart, so it's obviously PD-old. Nyttend (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Spork4beans

Hi.

I recently uploaded a pic for a page I created. I found the pic on the flickr page of a podcast host whom I emailed to ask for (and was granted) permission. I tried to give proper credit to the author of the photo but as newcomer to the wikipedia editing process, I was having trouble with properly securing permission. Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciates. Thanks --Spork4beans (talk) 06:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)spork4beans

Hi Spork4beans. Thank you for going through the trouble to upload the file and request permission. Your contribution is appreciated. I'm afraid we cannot use the file however; it is licensed as for non-commercial use only, per the provided flickr source. Per Wikipedia's licensing policies of Wikipedia, we cannot allow files that limit derivatives, commercial use, or restrict use to Wikipedia only (see WP:IUP#Adding images, bold text beneath the fourth bullet point). Please do not be discouraged or come to the conclusion that your contributions are unappreciated - it's just that we cannot use this particular media file you have uploaded. Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. Regards, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 06:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Why

Why haven't you been using your admin account lately? I noticed you haven't been using it since March 3. Is there a reason why? NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 13:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

As he told me it's because he hasn't been on the most secure connection lately, hope you don't mind the answer Fastily.--SKATER ^Speak. 22:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyrighted pictures

Okay thanks for telling me. Some of the pictures I have wrongfully licensed and I will change it. 31 March, 2010 GuineaPigWarrior (UTC).

Admin needed for speedy deletion

backlog needing admin attention CAT:NL--IngerAlHaosului (talk) 11:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Content Deleted

Hi Fastily,

I noticed you had deleted an article about Mat Zo [4] (or Matan Zohar) a leading trance producer from the UK and wondered why. In order to confirm identity and details I have included here a few links that I hope will allow the page to be restored. I did not see the original article and understand if there was misinformation then this may not be the case but please review if possible.

Here are some links about him.

Discogs bio: [5]

Interview with Mat Zo on trancesound.net [6]

Anjunabeats store (one of the worlds leading trance labels) available music: [7]

Last FM article: [8]

Myspace account: [9]

Appreciate your assistance with this matter.

Thanks, David —Preceding unsigned comment added by DayDay8421 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)