Template talk:Bibleverse: Difference between revisions

Format: {{bibleverse|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v-c:v|SOURCE_CODE}}

An alternative is also sometimes used: {{bibleverse|BOOKNAME|BOOK#|c:v-c:v|SOURCE_CODE}} . Note, though, that if no book number is relevant, the blank argument must be there (see Genesis example below).

Example: {{bibleverse|1|Samuel|3:16-4:18|31}}

produces a link to the NIV translation (31 in the source list as linked below): 1 Samuel 3:16–4:18

NOTE: You can use shorthand for the names, such as Sam or Deut. Also, verse references may be simplified (eg, no range or entire chapter).

If there is only one book, leave that part blank.

For example: {{bibleverse||Genesis|1:15-16|HE}}

produces: Genesis 1:15–16

DO NOT put any spaces anywhere in the template.

An alternative version of this template is available that does not include the book name: Template:Bibleverse-nb. It can be used to create lists of verses, eg

[[Exodus]] {{bibleverse-nb||Exodus|1:2-3|HE}}; {{bibleverse-nb||Exodus|13:10|HE}}

produces: Exodus 1:2–3; 13:10

List of Source Codes

A list of sources and codes that may be used to trigger them is at http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/~jnot4610/bibref.php#srcref

Choice of verse text source

As noted in User_Talk:Neutrality, I would rather another source to Bible Gateway. http://bible.cc/ shows a good parallel comparison of various English editions, but I am as yet unpleased with the lack of Hebrew source.

• Bible Gateway seems to have a ton of different translations, and we should be thinking about providing the most translations for everyone, so that the template can eventually be included in other Wikipedia languages. As for the Hebrew text, we can easily create another template for that, unless you can find one source that provides them all. -- BRIAN0918  04:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• For comparison texts, you can create a third template if necessary. -- BRIAN0918  05:17, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More extensible alternative

I've created a more extensible alternative to directly using BibleGateway's choice of texts. Of course it requires a script. At the moment, it can be found at http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/~jnot4610/bibref.php but this may change. (And at the moment I have only installed BibleGateway's sources.) --jnothman 16:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I have decided to go ahead and make the change to my new system... Any objections? I would like another host for the script, though... --jnothman
  • If it can't be completely contained in Wikipedia, I'm not sure people will support it. It would probably be better to make two templates similar to this one for Hebrew and comparison texts. -- BRIAN0918  01:51, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Well the exlusive use of BibleGateway was not exclusively contained in Wikipedia! I am absolutely willing for it to be contained in Wikipedia, but the templates are simply not strong enough. I am also happy to throw a GPL onto the script and for it to be included in Wikipedia, or on their servers. I don't want it maintained on my small plot of university web space! But first it has to be built up a little. The advantage of the template is that we can change where the mechanism is housed and the pages remain the same. --jnothman 02:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • If it's put on the Wikipedia servers, how will people be able to edit it to make these changes. -- BRIAN0918  02:05, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Which changes? Atm no one can affect how BibleGateway handles things. I think this is a much safer way altogether, even though I wish it didn't rely on my own hosting or managing of it. If Wikimedia wanted to include it as some sort of script or special template, that's fine, but otherwise, there is no way to handle this sort of tool on Wikipedia to my knowledge. --jnothman
        • That's the problem. What if BibleGateway goes away, or they change their URL handling, then the template will be broken. This is why I don't think Wikipedia likes users depending on outside scripts. I suggest using "subst:" like shown below. -- BRIAN0918  03:18, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In Use

Just put this to use in 613 mitzvot, now making a long list of statements a whole lot more useful. --jnothman 02:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I would suggest, for the sake of posterity, that you enclose the template in {{subst:}} so that the link is actually transferred into the article. So, for example: {{subst:bibleverse|1|Sam|1:1}}-- BRIAN0918  03:13, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • I'm not sure how this helps. This just means that if the template goes, the link will be preserved to a script that may not remain located there permanently! That's precisely the opposite of what is needed! Furthermore, this dramatically increases the size of a page with 613 such textual references. --jnothman 03:33, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Good point.... hehe... -- BRIAN0918  03:35, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

More userfriendly source-keys

A big thanks to jnothman for the great script. Just wondering if you could add more abbreviation source-keys, eg. NASB, NLT - in fact, why not all of them? ··gracefool |☺ 13:28, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• You're welcome: I would do this if I knew the standard abbreviations! The abbreviations are stored in http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/~jnot4610/biblesrcs.txt . Make sure not to modify the last column, but if you edit this file and can get it back to me somehow, that would be great! --jnothman 05:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I've added most of the english abbreviations - get the edited list at User:Gracefool/bibleverse. ··gracefool |☺ 14:46, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Updated --jnothman ^talk 11:40, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

More powerful template? Template variants?

What do other users think of a more powerful template for instance, it would be correct to actually include a link to the Wikipedia article on the given book/s of the bible. For instance, Genesis 1:1 would be better as Genesis 1:1. Does anyone have a nice way of going about this?

A further improvement could be made for contexts on pages where something like "In the book of Genesis (10:15-19, 12:13)" can use a similar template to this one which drops the book name, to result in "In the book of Genesis (10:15-19, 12:13)". Is there any way to do this without creating another template? Should this be done?

--jnothman ^talk 07:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to recommend, but you should also be aware that a number of verses have wikipedia articles just for them, and I think there are a few for specific chapters, as well as the book articles. Wesley 18:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

having some trouble

Gen 1:1 Isa 42:6 Isaiah 42:6

Yes, it says Isaiah is not there. But it is: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1001.htm The trick is how to get the template to connect to it? help?

Looks like the problem's on their end: http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/~jnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Gen&verse=1:1&src=HE gets Genesis, but: http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au/~jnot4610/bibref.php?book=%20Isaiah&verse=42:6&src=HE gets "This book (isaiah) not in Mechon Mamre's collection."

But it is! http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1001.htm

How this is being used

Could someone please take a look at how this is being used, for example, at The Vicar of Bray (song)? It seems to me that when someone makes a substitution like [1] we lose our internal link to Books of Samuel. Is that really desired? - Jmabel | Talk 08:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

If you feel it is important to keep the wikilink:

I [[Books of Samuel|Samuel]] {{bibleverse-nb|1|Samuel|24|9}}

produces:

I Samuel 24

Keeping it in the family

I love the usability of the template, and the fact that it supports versions like the NIV, but there are some sources available in wikisource, for example you can have links like this one (the "text" part primarily):

• 2 Kings 15:29 (text)

Although messy to create, it does leverage wikisource's text. I'm not sure how this concept could best be integrated into the template, but it is something to think about.

AIUI this template (and the other highly-similar one) will shortly be revised to point to the Wikisource (free content, GFDL, sister project) page rather than this external site. Just as with WP:NOT we should not be creating thousands of links that lead away from Wikipedia and the sister projects. --Vamp:Willow 12:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Where is the relevant discussion on this point, other than Talk:Sabbath, which has been in the last few hours. Ansell 12:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

En dashes

The template doesn't work correctly with en dashes. For example, 1 Cor 9:20–23 links only to 1 Cor 9:20. Is there a solution to this? —Wayward ^Talk 10:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource

I am interested in seeing this template migrated towards showing the text on Wikisource. One the great advantages will be that instead providing a verse out of context, the link will be sent to an anchor point at Wikisource allowing the reader to see the surrounding text (See s:Template talk:Section for technical details). There is going to be a great deal work done today (thankfully with the help of bots) at Wikisource to migrate the King James version of the Bible to new page names along with the insertion of the anchors with the above mentioned template with goal of having it finished by tonight. At that point it should be possible to demonstrate how this would work.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 12:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)