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It happened again: Just edited [[Sigmund Freud]], adding a "see also" for [[Freudian slip]]. I wrote a small Freudian slip article, checked the "Whats links here" and verified "Sigmund Freud" was there, along with a couple of other entries. Revisited "Sigmund Freud" a few minutes later, and the "see also" was gone. Any jokes or analysises on [[Freudian slip]] are welcome. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 07:24 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)
It happened again: Just edited [[Sigmund Freud]], adding a "see also" for [[Freudian slip]]. I wrote a small Freudian slip article, checked the "Whats links here" and verified "Sigmund Freud" was there, along with a couple of other entries. Revisited "Sigmund Freud" a few minutes later, and the "see also" was gone. Any jokes or analysises on [[Freudian slip]] are welcome. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 07:24 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)
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'''US + British spelling''' No names, no packdrill, no article references but I am very disappointed at how quickly a debate about spelling can degenerate into the stirrings of a transatlantic flame war. It only requires a small level of silliness and a couple of provocative comments for people to lose their sense of perspective and start deploying stupid national stereotypes about "Brits" and "Yanks". I have seen various internet communities have a pretty good go at tearing themselves apart over this stuff and I would hate to see it happen here; I do most sincerely wish that people would check the Manual of Style's comments on spelling, and then take several deep breaths and have a coffee, tea or other beverage of choice before doing anything, when there is a spelling debate in the offing. I really strongly believe that these things can be very damaging and should be avoided at almost all costs. Jimbo pops up from time to time reminding us that peace, love, tolerance etc goes a long way in a prject like this, and this is a very very good example of an area in which he is right. Please please please check and abide by the MoS, and if you need to discuss it don't drag out the hoary old stereotypes. We try not to do it to other ethnic and national groups, so why on Earth would it be OK to do it about Americans or British people? [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] 07:35 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)
'''US + British spelling''' No names, no packdrill, no article references but I am very disappointed at how quickly a debate about spelling can degenerate into the stirrings of a transatlantic flame war. It only requires a small level of silliness and a couple of provocative comments for people to lose their sense of perspective and start deploying stupid national stereotypes about "Brits" and "Yanks". I have seen various internet communities have a pretty good go at tearing themselves apart over this stuff and I would hate to see it happen here; I do most sincerely wish that people would check the Manual of Style's comments on spelling, and then take several deep breaths and have a coffee, tea or other beverage of choice before doing anything, when there is a spelling debate in the offing. I really strongly believe that these things can be very damaging and should be avoided at almost all costs. Jimbo pops up from time to time reminding us that peace, love, tolerance etc go a long way in a project like this, and this is a very very good example of an area in which he is right. Please please please check and abide by the MoS, and if you need to discuss it don't drag out the hoary old stereotypes. We try not to do it to other ethnic and national groups, so why on Earth would it be OK to do it about Americans or British people? [[User:Nevilley|Nevilley]] 07:35 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)

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Is it possible to move Images the same way as articles? I'm working on the Wikiproject German districts, and there are several maps uploaded in JPG format already which need to be replaced by higher quality PNG ones, thus nearly the same name except the last three letters. Moving the images would be nicer then upload the new map and have the old ones deleted. andy 15:24 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

Not at present, no. However I'm not sure I see how this would help in your case, as the new images must be uploaded by the nature of the operation... --Brion 19:32 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:votes for deletion


The third paragraph of the page about a page-to-be-deleted is really confusing to me. I would appreciate if someone could explain what it means, or rewire it. Thanks, 129.79.38.163 19:40 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)

What's the standard for NPOV in external links? If one spies an External link in an article that appears to be a personal political rant, is it ok just to leave it there? In this case, I'm referring to a link at the bottom of the Epilepsy article. It was written by a fellow Wikipedian, and seems to have only a faint relationship with the subject matter, but I'm not sure what the "rules" are for such material. Dachshund

One should seek NPOV balance in links the same as one seeks NPOV balance in quotations, citations, and attributions: try to include links to a variety of viewpoints and note what kind of treatment each site gives the subject. That doesn't mean you should link to every nutter with a geocities page, of course; information should be relevant, informative, and useful. --Brion

Is there any sane way to link in a a vector source file for a raster image? How soon will SVG support be added ( http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG_image_support ). My attempt is over at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3AMonopoly_pricing.png Problems are:

  1. Giving a link to the page (currently requires viewing source)
  2. Requires confermation that .fig is not a prefered image method... Jrincayc 14:18 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)
Use a link in the form [[media:filename.ext]] to include a direct link to an uploaded file.
As far as SVG support, it's fairly uncontroversial as far as I know ;) so it'll be added as soon as someone has the combination of the inclination, the ability, and the time to hack it in. At the moment I lack the time, alas; I may get to it later in the month, or I may not. My Wikipedia to-do list is very long. :) If someone else wants to give it a try, they are more than welcome! --Brion 20:34 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Respect. Perhaps the most mis-used word in the english language, respect is very often used when regard or in regard to is meant. It is often also confused with - honor.


Do a search of wikipedia for respect; you'll see what I mean.

At 15:28 Mar 3, 2003 UTC I added "Calimero" to Anthropomorphism, but soon after that a search for "Calimero" failed to give this article, although when I checked the article the new version with this term was there. Is this perhaps due to a database backup at that time, or an indexing of the database or something like that? That in such a case the search feature is applied to a slightly outdated version of the database? - Patrick 22:02 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

The search index table is updated with delayed inserts. If there is heavy searching activity, the queued updates will wait a bit for activity to lighten up before being actually added. Since search queries are sometimes rather slow, this cuts down on locking problems where additional searches are blocked until the first one finishes, allowing an update to go through. --Brion 23:24 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, good to know: my reaction was additional searches and edits to find out what the problem was! I updated Wikipedia:Searching. - Patrick 00:27 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Add an option so one can filter out of the watchlist those pages in which one was the last editor. Susan Mason

That is an excellent idea. I second it if it isn't too hard to implement. --snoyes 23:51 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Lee Harvey Oswald used the ailas "Alek J. Hidell" during his lifetime. I am torn on creating a new article, a redirect from the Hidell ailas to the Oswald article, or talking about it in the Oswald article. Which is best?

- --Hoshie

Write about it in the article. To also create the redirect is not a bad idea, but I don't think it is in any way necessary either - it's not like someone is likely to ever create the Alek J. Hidell link (except for my creation here and now). Andre Engels 23:46 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)

Any possibilities for Wikipedia housing almanac data? Granted it may be better for Nupedia since we probably don't want just anyone fudging statistical data, but it seems to me there is a great need for this data to be publicly accessible and actually searchable such as on the internet. I do not find there are many resources already existing on-line, or they do not necessarily have the full amount of data as the print versions. - Brettz9 18:22 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure just what kind of data you're looking for here, but it sounds like this might be a case for a related side project... You might compare discussion at m:Wikiteer et al. --Brion 19:36 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

Well, it seems at another page I was directed to List of reference tables which seems to have the kind of information I had in mind, but I also suggested the main page reflect an entry such as Atlas to ensure those of us searching for that term would find the data we were seeking. - Brettz9 07:07 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

Any possibilities of linking directly from the main page to the By Alphabetical Order page? It is slow and may be a drain on the server to run these queries, but it is more efficient having such a page than going manually through all pages starting from the beginning of the AllPages search. - Brettz9 18:22 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

An improved alphabetical index version of Allpages is partially implemented, but waiting for installation on improvements. --Brion 19:36 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
You mean one different than the By Alphabetical Order page we have started? If so, do you mean it has not been installed/is not accessible at all now or that the improvements have not been installed?
Yes. It seems rather silly to maintain a page of arbitrary and ever-shifting index numbers when the machine can do this itself! See mailing list post. --Brion 17:52 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

Are there any plans (or is it already somehow possible) to add customizably-viewed databases (e.g., sorts by different columns on a database within a page), collapsable/expandable outline elements, automatic cross-referencing of data at other pages, etc.? I'm not a programmer, but if there are pages existing on how to do the html code for this (if it can be done in html), I might like to try it out. - Brettz9 18:22 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

Not at this time; this seems to be a wide range of proposed things though! ;) If you'd like to make some more concrete proposals about how to go about doing such things, you're welcome to set up some pages on http://meta.wikipedia.org/ and get some feedback. --Brion
great, thanks for the starting point.

I have not been able to find any Wiki sites dedicated to people starting up their own (non-neutral) projects on any and every topic (preferably with by topic lists and the option to hide projects from searches). Is it just too memory-intensive to house such a service? - Brettz9 18:22 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)

Have you looked at SeedWiki? --Brion 19:36 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
That helped my find what I was looking for, but SeedWiki specifically seemed too specialized. <http://www.swiki.net/> seems like what I was looking for (though there were complaints about it not being accessible.

One more question...Is it conceivable that Wikipedia could be programmed to accept anchors to links internal or external to the given page (whether going somewhere else on Wikipedia or not) (or does it somehow already)? - Brettz9 19:09 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)


For internal links, this is a controversial feature. (See recent discussion on the wikipedia-l mailing list.) For external links, should work fine: http://foobar.bizbax/somepage.html#ananchor --Brion
Thanks, but is there any way you could direct me to a recent archived thread or something? There seems to be a vast amount of discussions to sort through (with no way to search) and I didn't seem to find it during the time I tried searching.
By the way, many thanks for all the helpful suggestions. - Brettz9 06:53 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
See this post and immediate followups for the current discussion. --Brion

Should I leave a disambiguation link on list of astronomical topics? Cassini is linked, but it is in reference to the Cassini probe; should I change the link and leave the disambiguation link or just change the link? Thanks. - Notheruser 19:45 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

Since that link is immediately followed by links to the people of the same name, it doesn't make a lot of sense to link the disambiguation page which provides those same links. Link the probe directly. --Brion 21:53 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
That's what I was leaning towards...thanks for the clarification. -- Notheruser 22:06 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

If I check what links here on my user page, I discover that Talk:Richard Wagner archive apparently links to my user page. Which is fine, except it doesn't... Martin


Sure it does:
[1] [2] Not that I believe either source: sounds like standard journalistic hyperbole to me. -Martin
About 3/4 of the way down the page. HTH, Merphant

Let me clarify this: Talk:Richard Wagner archive redirects to Talk:Richard Wagner/Archive 1. Now, Talk:Richard Wagner/Archive 1 links to Martin, so therefore Talk:Richard Wagner/Archive 1 should show up on my "what links here" page (and, AFAIK, it does). However, Talk:Richard Wagner archive is showing up on my "what links here" page, and it definately should not. Is that clearer?

Aha, yes, that's clearer; I didn't notice it was a redirect. Interestingly, Talk:Richard Wagner/Archive 1 does not show up on 'what links here' from your user page, but Talk:Richard Wagner archive does, and is correctly labelled as a redirect page. I don't know why, sorry. -- Merphant 23:41 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

On the Eurovision Song Contest page, one entry shows up as text rather than a wikipedia link. In the table (1978), Izhar Cohen has two brackets around it, but fails to render as a link. I tried looking for a cause, but I couldn't find one. Is this a bug with links and tables (or have I overlooked something obvious)?? -- Notheruser 23:10 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

I think it was because there was a line break in the middle of the link. I've fixed it. -- Merphant 23:41 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
Well, I guess it was something obvious :). -- Notheruser 00:03 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

Something that's confusing me -- on the Battle of Coronel article I have a link to HMS Canopus which works fine; however, on the Battle of the Falkland Islands article I have another link to HMS Canopus (since she survived the first one!) but it only appears as a red "edit" link. Anybody got any ideas why? Arwel 02:27 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)

Both are blue when I go to look at them. If HMS Canopus was only created recently, you may have been getting a cached page or somesuch from a time before the HMS Canopus article existed. Happens to me all the time.
--Paul A 03:04 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
No, the Canopus article is several days old now, and I'm still getting the "edit" link from the Falkland Islands battle! Weird... Arwel 13:41 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
Seems to have fixed itself through clearing out all my "temporary Internet files"... Arwel

I'm using Mozilla 1.3b on Mac OS 10.2 with advanced recent changes on. Sometimes when I click on the arrow to make multiple edits list separately, the arrow disappears and a small space is inserted, but the edits are not listed. I have to click reload and click the arrow again. Is it my browser? Tuf-Kat

I'm using Mozilla 1.3b on Windows 2000; I see the same thing if I click the arrow before the page has completely finished loading, but haven't noticed any problems when clicking after it's done. --Brion
Aah... I'm just impatient I guess. Tuf-Kat

Good to see that other sites are linking to us as a reference. Spot the Wikipedia link on the Abacci books site -- Derek Ross

See also top of User talk:Jimbo Wales and user:MyRedDice/Abacci Letter - they do need to say that the content is released under the GFDL... Martin

Folks, when is that hit counter (the item that counts the number of hits that a particular web page gets) coming back? It's been ages. Arno


Though this does not answer your question, I thought that there is one potential disadvantage to the hit counter in that those wishing to "subscribe" to the page (e.g., through Internet Explorer) will be notified that the page has been updated even if the only change to the page has been that the site has been visited again (even including Exploer's own visit!). I wonder if there's some way to resolve that if it is to be brought back. - Brettz9 07:56 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
It's unlikely to be coming back. Recording the number of hits to every article in Wikipedia requires a lot of database access, which slows down the site. While the hit counters are nice, keeping the site running smoothly is certainly more important. Enchanter

Incomplete sentence

The last sentence of the second paragraph on the page "Wikipedia:Complete list of language wikis available" is incomplete. --Menchi 08:13 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)

Why are the H1 and == headlines showing up with a 1 in front? -&#35918&#30505sv

There's an option in preferences for 'auto number headings'. By default this is turned off, but if you have it turned on you will see the numbers. Enchanter 01:51 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)
Ah. So-o desu. -&#35918&#30505sv

I do not understand how the editing process works here. I have been trying to contribute to the article on Idolatry however my changes are constantly reverted without comment. What can be done to improve the situation? I have tried communication with other users on the talk page, however there are only a handful of users there and most of them have been quite hostile and unwilling to discuss things with me. Susan Mason

This is a good start, Sue.. your admitting not knowing exatly how things are done.. (which is haphazard in most cases) Second, youre admitting that there is a revert war going on (Nice to be aware of if your in one). Third is your acknowleging that communication outside of short wisenheimer comments is required to proceed. And fourth, is your honest appeal to the community. Let silence follow... go do something else... and perhaps even take it to the EN mailinglist... but MOST IMPORTANTLY - allow some time for things to settle! I dislike getting my shit reverted constantly by "some people" but what can you do? Keep your head on! -&#35918&#30505sv

In addition, I tried to remove the POV assertation that Ira Hayes is a "hero", something which he himself denied. I have not been able to engage in significant dialogue with any other user, instead, my change was reverted with the "fact" that Hayes was a hero being submitted as proof that the assertation is somehow NPOV. Susan Mason

Isnt it Drunken Ira Hayes? - Bad joke. SV
lol Susan Mason

Um, Is there a reason timelines and such pages are being formatted to have most recent events at the top? I'm thinking of the Afghanistan 2003 timeline and Timeline of trends in music (1951-present). Isn't this backwards? Just wondering, Atorpen 18:32 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)


yup. it's the wrong way round. there's a list-reversing script linked fgrom somewhere on my user page -- Tarquin 19:07 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)

RK reverted work I had done on Idolatry and left this message

  • Reverting Susan Mason's gross abuse of this article. Stephan, I am willing to work with you, but Susan is making huge amounts of edits screwing this up. She is writing things that just are not true

Implying that he is not even willing to work with me. What am I supposed to do? He refuses to even discuss such things! Susan Mason

How does one make text both bold-faced and italacized? Susan Mason

Use five quot marks '''''like this''''' so it comes out like this. Danny 00:45 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
I usually put three on the outside, then two on the inside near the word, ''' ''like this'' ''', for ease of editing. -- Ô¿Ô 00:55 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

That wasn't boldfaced... Susan Mason

It looks boldfaced to me. Maybe there's something wrong with your browser or display settings. --Camembert

And what might that be? Im using IE 6.0 Susan Mason

That I don't know - I'm not technically minded enough. It might be something to do with the font you're using - if it's something quite unusual, maybe you've got the normal, bold and italic versions installed but not the bold-italic. I'm really just guessing though - others will have a better idea of what's wrong than me. --Camembert

Try bumping the font size in your browser up and down; rendering of outline fonts at very small sizes sometimes reduces the weight of bold text, particularly the bold/italic combo. --Brion 01:58 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

I switched out of Times New Roman and that fixed it. Susan Mason

At Timeline of trends in music (1980-present), there is a link for George Strait's album #7 in 1986, but the link functions as a self-link instead of leading to an article entitled #7. Is this a feature? If so, can it be fixed? Tuf-Kat

It's not precisely a self-link: it's linking to http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_trends_in_music_(1980-present)#7 - and a link I just tried in preview mode on this page linked to http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump&action=submit#7. My guess is that the # sign is making something somewhere think that [[#7]] is a link to a within-page anchor, not to another article. I have no idea how to fix this, apart from forbidding article names beginning with #.
--Paul A 03:23 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
The # character is reserved and is not allowed in page titles. They are allowed in links purely for the purpose of linking to internal anchors -- but the syntax for defining internal anchors has never been enabled, so they aren't much good. ;) --Brion 04:40 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

I'm having some trouble getting a link to a URL with a dollar sign in it to work at William Shield. Is there some way to get it work properly, and if not what's the best thing to do? The troublesome link in question is: Details of the "Auld Lang Syne" controversy --Camembert

For now, replace the dollar sign with its encoded equivalent, %24: Details of the "Auld Lang Syne" controversy. (Note -- do *not* put <nowiki>s into a URL, it does very very wrong things to the parser. :) --Brion 04:14 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
Righto, I'll change that. Thanks to all. --Camembert

Help! I can't log in! The system says that my password is incorrect (although I've retyped it several times), and it also says there's no e-mail address registered for me, so it can't send me a new password. Has something gone wrong somewhere? -- Oliver, a.k.a. 152.78.0.29 03:26 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

Help! I can't log in! The system says that my password is incorrect (although I've retyped it several times). Tiles

Try again. It seems a fix I made for another bug has broken the login process; I've reverted the fix pending purther testing. Sorry! --Brion 03:58 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Brion! I'm in now. -- Oliver P. 04:11 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
Incidentally, I've reinstalled the fix with another fix. ;) Please give a shout if there are any more problems. --Brion 04:52 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

I've just encountered the "nowiki" tag for the first time in Polysaccharide. While it's pretty clear what it does, I was wondering if it was documented anywhwere that I'm supposed to have discovered (Still learning, as always.) Tenbaset 04:36 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

Quite possibly not. Feel free to add an explicit mention of it to Wikipedia:How to edit a page. --Brion 04:40 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)
I have done so, hopefully it is correct. Thanks. Tenbaset 05:00 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

H.G. Wells talking about the idea of an encyclopedia; maybe he was referring to Wikipedia :-):

Special sections of it, historical, technical, scientific, artistic, e.g. will easily be reproduced for specific professional use. Based upon it, a series of summaries of greater or less fullness and simplicity, for the homes and studies of ordinary people, for the college and the school, can be continually issued and revised. In the hands of com-petent editors, educational directors and teachers, these condensa-tions and abstracts incorporated in the world educational system, will supply the humanity of the days before us, with a common un-derstanding and the conception of a common purpose and of a commonweal such as now we hardly dare dream of. And its creation is a way to world peace that can be followed without any very grave risk of collision with the warring political forces and the vested insti-tutional interests of today. --(http://sherlock.berkeley.edu/wells/world_brain.html)


--User:Extro

A number of wiki utilities, most wanted, short, long etc. have been disabled to save the database response time. Would it be possible to run the queries, say, once a day to create static pages listing the top fifty in each of these catagories so the pages are of some use? 62.253.64.7, March 10

I'd been thinking this myself actually, I think it would be a good idea assuming there aren't technical reasons not to do it. - Ams80

Where is the template for US President entries, for example used at George Washington, stored? More specifically, where is the talk page associated with this table to be found? -◈¡◈

Just a quick question about the User Contributions pages, are they supposed to list all a user's edits? I ask this as when I perform different searches on my own User Contributions page (i.e. looking through by 100s or by 250s) I seem to get different results. For example the page 1000 starting at #1 shows that I have made 654 edits (by copying it all into a spreadsheet) but the page 500 starting at #501 is empty, implying that I have made less than 500 edits. I'm not really concerned by how many edits it claims that I have made I'm just wondering why this happens. The other thing this could affect is when looking through a vandal's contributions to check they've been returned to sonthing sensible it might mean that we are missing some, which would be a problem. Anyway, thanks for any information - Ams80 19:38 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like the offset is broken on the query. It uses the offset for total-number-of-edits, but the old and current revision tables have to be queried separately; the offset isn't valid for the individual tables, and skips too many. With out current setup I can't think of a way offhand to make that work correctly (short of doing a full query up to offset+limit, then throwing away the first offset results, at which point why bother with the offset? Just click the longer limit.) --Brion 00:15 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

With IE 6.0 how can I have it auto-refresh pages. It is caching them and not updating unless I use ctrl-F5. Also, how can I download asian character sets? Susan Mason

Why, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/List, doesn't the first link work? I know I'm always using illegal dr... characters, but this only has a comma, ? and (), all of which are legal (right?). Tuf-Kat

It's something to do with the pipe. I have no idea what, but I note that [[O Brother, Where Art Thou? (soundtrack)]] and [[O Brother, Where Art Thou? (soundtrack)|Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?]] work, it's just [[O Brother, Where Art Thou? (soundtrack)|]] that doesn't. --Paul A 06:10 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

With pages like Dolphin Interconnect Solutions, isn't Wikipedia at risk of becoming a giant Yellow Pages? cferrero 09:56 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

Just add an objective assessment of the technology's suckiness, and report on the latest indictment of the corporation's officers (ha ha, just kidding), and you have a nice balanced article. There are always juicy factoids to supplement a company's rah-rah image of itself... Stan 20:32 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)
I did that stub. Wanting to find out whatever happend to Norsk Data technology, I found that the Dolphin Server operation was now defunct, but that some remains of Dolphin remain. I used that as a basis for a Dolphin stub (which presumably would be filled with useful material, esp. computer/technology historic, since I find that particularily interesting). If you think that computer history and related stuff does not belong in Wikipedia, go along and put the 1000s of articles covering it on the deletion list. -- Egil 21:21 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed a serious problem with the English Wikipedia speed during the last two days?
Frequently I've not been able to get in at all (the IE.5 Page Not Available notice comes up). At other times the speed has been so poor that the encyclopedia has been unusable. When I wanted to type this message it took 23 seconds to load the Village Pump but then another 38 seconds to get to the Edit box. I wish it had been that "good" these last two days!
I don't think there's anything wrong with my internet set up (Broadband) because all other sites come in nearly instantly. Puzzlingly there are very few comments on speed in this Village Pump, so is it just my computer? -- Arpingstone 18:41 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

It's the site, I'm afraid. The developers are aware of the problem, and are working hard to eliminate the bottlenecks. -- Stephen Gilbert 23:47 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

I need the help of somebody who connects through a commercial ISP or through work, not from a library or school. Can you access the URL http://www.brenda.uni-koeln.de/php/result_flat.php3?ecno=1.1.1.1 and do you get loads of data about alcohol dehydrogenase? AxelBoldt 20:51 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

I'm at home - I get a login page with that URL. I tried to register but it gave me the choice of academic or commercial, I'm neither - so chose commercial and was blocked (not available to commercial users without licensing) -- sannse 21:02 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, I guess we can't use that site as external reference then. AxelBoldt 21:11 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)
There is an interface, but material is not available unless you register and pay up. -- Egil
We use books as references, and last I heard you had to pay for them. Reference away.
Plus, working on wikipedia counts as "academic" - if you twist the definitions enough... :) Martin
Ever heard of libraries?
But by all means, a reference for money is 1000 times better than no reference. -- Egil 22:05 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

It happened again: Just edited Sigmund Freud, adding a "see also" for Freudian slip. I wrote a small Freudian slip article, checked the "Whats links here" and verified "Sigmund Freud" was there, along with a couple of other entries. Revisited "Sigmund Freud" a few minutes later, and the "see also" was gone. Any jokes or analysises on Freudian slip are welcome. -- Egil 07:24 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)

US + British spelling No names, no packdrill, no article references but I am very disappointed at how quickly a debate about spelling can degenerate into the stirrings of a transatlantic flame war. It only requires a small level of silliness and a couple of provocative comments for people to lose their sense of perspective and start deploying stupid national stereotypes about "Brits" and "Yanks". I have seen various internet communities have a pretty good go at tearing themselves apart over this stuff and I would hate to see it happen here; I do most sincerely wish that people would check the Manual of Style's comments on spelling, and then take several deep breaths and have a coffee, tea or other beverage of choice before doing anything, when there is a spelling debate in the offing. I really strongly believe that these things can be very damaging and should be avoided at almost all costs. Jimbo pops up from time to time reminding us that peace, love, tolerance etc go a long way in a project like this, and this is a very very good example of an area in which he is right. Please please please check and abide by the MoS, and if you need to discuss it don't drag out the hoary old stereotypes. We try not to do it to other ethnic and national groups, so why on Earth would it be OK to do it about Americans or British people? Nevilley 07:35 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)

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