Talk:Apocalypse: Difference between revisions

Actually, it is not known commonly as "Revelation" but as "Revelations". People who point out that the latter is not a correct rendering of what is written are missing the point, which is that the plural form both is in ordinary spoken use, and has come down from a separate oral/visual tradition (a bit like Adam and Eve eating an apple, simply because that was the fruit ordinarily shown in stained glass window versions). PML.

But it is 'The Revelation. As the very first sentence says, :The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John -- Zoe

See? People miss the point. I am very carefully not saying anything about what it is - either way - I am pointing out what it is commonly known as. While it becomes a matter of approach, possibly of opinion, which is right, it is a matter of objective fact that it is not known commonly as "Revelation" but as "Revelations". Don't believe me? Do a straw poll of people you meet in the street (being careful not to predispose the answers). PML.

"Book of Revelations" on Google turns up 18,500 hits. "Book of Revelation" turns up 135,000. -- Zoe

I didn't suggest you consult putatively accurate information, even from secondary sources - I suggested that if you were concerned you should check what people thought. I am leading up to correcting that article in the respect in which it is incorrect - the way it claims that the last book of the New Testament is commonly called "Revelation". As to whether it ought to be called that, that is another question entirely. PML.

How can we possibly write a meaningful article based on "what people think"? Are we mind readers? Calling the book "Revelation" is not "incorrect", it's just not what you want it to be called. -- Zoe

Argh! People arguing at cross-purposes! Argh!

Zoe, PML's not saying that "Revelations" is correct, or that he/she wants people to call it "Revelations". PML's just saying that, as a matter of objective fact, many people do (incorrectly) call it "Revelations", and that consequently the article's statement that the Revelation is "known commonly as Revelation" is incomplete, if not actually wrong.

I agree with PML.

-- Paul A 02:19 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

On second thought, I think the whole question is irrevelant for this article anyway: any statement about how the Book's title is abbreviated belongs in Book of Revelation, not Apocalypse.

-- Paul A 02:25 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)