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New 'People' Workgroup?

Is there a chance of a new workgroup being created under 'People' or a similar title? Within this workgroup could be included major figures of India such as Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Tilak, etc. There could even be sub-workgroups splitting them up into celebrities, politicians, saints/godmen, etc. Tags and banners would need to be created for this purpose. Hopefully there will be enough consensus to give the green light to creating and expanding this new workgroup? Ekantik 06:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Biography articles are already maintained by WikiProject Biography grouped by profession. Would it really help to seperate them by nationality? Although I was thinking the name could be WikiProject Indian biography that would be child project of both India and biography projects (just like Indian cinema is related to Films and India projects). -- Ganeshk (talk) 06:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. What about a separate section for saints/godmen? I haven't seen a separate section for them in WP:HINDU although this could be done over there. Ekantik 01:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You could post at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography requesting for such categorization. -- Ganeshk (talk) 01:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Even though that would probably involve religious leaders of other religions and traditions it might better the project for saints/godmen of all religions to have a common set of guidelines to work by. Good suggestions, thanks. I'll get on it straightaway. Ekantik 01:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Aurangzeb

Can some cooler heads than mine have a look at Aurangzeb, please? --Nemonoman 19:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Aurangzeb are quickly approaching an edit war. --Nemonoman 15:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I've protected it for now =Nichalp «Talk»= 00:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles by class and importance

There is a discussion going on about creating statistics in the following format:

India articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	Other	???	Total
FA	3	7	35	49				94
FL	8	9	29	142				188
FM					76			76
A	1	1	2	2				6
GA	29	62	180	470				741
B	139	481	911	1,931			237	3,699
C	105	916	2,399	11,041			995	15,456
Start	17	998	5,250	66,164			2,873	75,302
Stub	2	282	2,278	94,563			2,915	100,040
List	24	209	655	5,307	27		283	6,505
Category					43,246	191		43,437
Disambig				1	789	2		792
File					1,477	1		1,478
Portal					88			88
Project					210			210
Redirect	1	122	438	6,778	4,343	21	13	11,716
Template					6,440	26		6,466
NA						1		1
Other	1	2	1	43				47
Assessed	330	3,089	12,178	186,491	56,696	242	7,316	266,342
Unassessed		2	3	46	1		2,090	2,142
Total	330	3,091	12,181	186,537	56,697	242	9,406	268,484
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 1,051,159			Ω = 5.38

This table is now up to date again.
It is updated by a tool on the toolserver; it will not work if the toolserver is
having problems. If this chart is showing much more than zero,
then the table will be updated slowly or not at all.

Using the above idea, I updated our banner to implement intersection categories. Please check India articles by quality and importance. Now you can find out Stub-Class India articles of Top-importance. I feel B-Class India articles of Top-importance will be really useful for FA writers for pick articles. And Category:Stub-Class India articles of Top-importance could feed WP:INCOTW. Please comment. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems good to have it in a tabular format. =Nichalp «Talk»= 00:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats to all new Indian admins promoted when I was absent. :) Good work, keep it up and may we get many more. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 00:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Kukhran

Who edited the Kukhran page?

the grammar is absolutely terrible and a lot of the information is speculative (such as greeks having intermingled with Kukhran tribes???? I'd be very interested to see the evidence you can provide for this assertion)

in fact the previous page prior to this one was much better and more accurate with regards to scope and historical verification. Whoever edited this page (I mean you're a Kukhran as well, at least you better be), I don't mean to put you down but before you edit a page like this consider the grammar and citation that is necessary in order to maintain a certain level of professionalism and respect. You need citations on many occasions and deleted! the writing of previous authors who actually did a very good job and whose actual work was accurate.

This is what I absolutely hate about wikipedia you know someone comes along and does a great job and then another person comes along and ruins it.

I mean I see here you did try and create a more distinct structure to the page and create differentiated categories which is great, yet you added some of your own speculative information which is (ahem) not the ultimate goal of this website I presume, and this whole project for that regard.

I'd like to edit this page and check for grammatical mistakes as well as add much needed RESEARCHED citations and evidence. Being a Kukhran myself the validity and accuracy of this page is essential and important to me.

please contact me at [email protected] to let me know how I can get involved and fix this page.

Thank you.

I just tried fixing up the Kukhran page but there's just too much to do right now grammatically etc. I have to come back to it, why did you interchange Kukhran and Kukhrein, its Kukhran/Kukhrain man...just Kukhran I've never heard of Kukhrein before in my life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.23.72.200 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 21 November 2006.

You can check out who edited the page by clicking the history button on the top. This is the shortcut. If you intend to copyedit or make changes, please make sure that the content is referenced by credible sources, is neutrally written and contains brilliant prose. There is no need to email you, why don't you create an account here so we get to know you better? Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 00:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

why would I want to join a community which allows anyone to edit and change information that masses of people can then access and assume as fact? I went to your little history page...and here we have PAKISTANI individuals who have listed "India" as a nation they consider to be a threat to world peace on their personal pages, editing and writing articles regarding an Indian caste/community of Hindus and Sikhs. What really pissed me off is that this man CHANGED the pages history by stating that large numbers of Kukhrans converted to Islam..when in actuallity it is a ridiculously small community that was unable to leave their land after partition and thus did not want to be killed by muslim mobs. Kukhrans are warrior peoples and we are the ones who resisted Muslim rule for centuries..and this Pakistani who openly states that he hates India is now editing pages of Indian regard, ABSOLUTELY PROPOSTEROUS...this website will never have any credibility as long as things like this are allowed to go on. Its a shame, a damn shame. Maybe if you fix this issue I'd consider actively participating on this website. But as long as anyone can come in and try and re-write/create their own history...NO WAY.

YOU have the power to change it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

and someone ELSE can come along and change it back...u clearly didn't read my post. Do you have an answer to the question I raised? I presume you do not because I'm right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.246.25.237 (talk)

Well, that is the problem that wikipedia faces See the (Disclaimers). However, if you are willing to work on it, cite credible sources along with a neutral tone, it will be easier for people to revert unsourced claims to your stable version. A case in point is the India article, 20-30th most hit site on wikipedia. The article gets less revisions for a hit rate that high as it is neutrally written, and well referenced. =Nichalp «Talk»= 02:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Tamil

I am trying to avoid getting into this sort of thing, but can anyone explain why Category:Tamil is a subcat of Category:Stateless peoples? If they are, why arent all Indian ethnicities? (Except Bengalis, I suppose.) I would have gone ahead and removed it myself, but, as I said, I am trying to keep my blood pressure low these days. Hornplease 11:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the cat from Category:Tamil. And moved stateless cat to Category:Tamils of Sri Lanka. That cat sure needs some discussion though. -- Ganeshk (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sarila

The contribution of Narendra Singh Sarila to the history of the Partition of India certainly needs to be incorporated into the article about it. Unfortunately, I'm not sufficiently Wiki-knowledgeable to do it myself (can't figure out how to log in or write). He wrote _The Shadow of the Great Game— The Untold Story of India’s Partition_, and is certainly well qualified to understand the issues. Won't somebody please look him up, or at least look at the book reviews, which give the gist of the Mountbatten-Jinnah negotiations he witnessed in 1947? -- Marshall Price of Miami, Florida, November 22, 2006; email [email protected]

Sorry, we can't email you but why don't you get make an account and we get to know you better? Then we can discuss the issue and perhaps you can author the article yourself as per wikipedia standards? How does that sound? =Nichalp «Talk»= 00:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Atrocity#Atrocity_in_India

I think this is somewhat POV (to say the least). Can somebody fix this? utcursch | talk 04:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Fixed.-Bharatveer 05:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Delhi, a state?

Someone has changed the entry on the India main page to show Delhi as a full-fledged state. I haven't come across any bill or act that has given such a status to Delhi. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be included under what looks like a category:India states. However, I can't seem to find such a category. Perhaps someone else understands how that "inclusion" works. --BostonMA ^talk 15:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It is was stored under Template:India states. I have "fixed" it. Feel free to change the format if you choose. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 15:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

reverted self. Edit history for the temlate had an edit with the comment, Delhi now a state per [1]. --BostonMA ^talk 15:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as my knowledge goes, that site is incorrect. For a state to be created, a Constitutional ammendment is a must. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Delhi is not a state (yet). It has some features of a state like its own legislative assembly but is not a full fledged state yet. Politicians have been demanding for a long time though -- Lost^(talk) 16:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No, Delhi is not a state. It is a special type of UT. One page has been created related to this: National Capital Territory of Delhi. Shyam ^(T/C) 16:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

National capital territory as a special UT is still misleading. There is either a state or a union territory, no 'special union territory'. As per the constitution the Centre can pass a legislation for the creation of a legislature if it so wishes. =Nichalp «Talk»= 01:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Further sorting of {{India-bio-stub}}

After starting with sorting this Very Large stub this week, have proposed the further creation of some more stubs at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/November. STTW (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Original Script for Ghatam Udupa

Recently I created an article Ghatam Udupa, a percussionist from Bangalore, Karnataka. However, I haven't been able to find the original script (possiby Kannada) for the title. Can anyone with a fair knowledge of Kannada put the original script in the article ? Thanks. --NRS | ^T/_M\^B 14:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Post your request here: Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation--D-Boy 08:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I know how to write Kannada, but for that you have to confirm the pronunciation first. I hope you understand the Hindi I write below.

• Ghatam=घतम or घटम?
• In Udupa:

U=उ or ऊ

d=द or ड or ड़

u=उ or ऊ

pa=प or पा

• If you can confirm the combination in Hindi, I will translate it to Kannada/Telugu (whichever is desired). — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 08:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, so much for your replies. Ambuj, I can't say about Ghatam. But, it should be the first one. As for Udupa, it's like this -

U=ऊ

d=ड

u=उ

pa=पा

Well, that's how it should be. Thanks, again. --NRS | ^T/_M\^B 07:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

For घटम ऊडुपा, the transliteration is: ಘಟಮ್ ಊಡುಪಾ. However, "Udupa" may even be ಉಡುಪಾ for the same pronunciation as the default vowel length of "u" is higher in Kannada as compared to Hindi. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I have added the first one for now. If any Kannada editor happens to check this article, then he may change it if it's not correct. --NRS | ^T/_M\^B 06:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected the script. It should have been ಘಟಮ್ ಉಡುಪ. Udupa is always written as ಉಡುಪ and it is the common usage. Thanks -- Naveen ^(talk) 06:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles

interesting discussion --D-Boy 07:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Requesting an article be made for Agasthiya

Apparently, Agasthiya was an old prophet in Nadi astrology who lived around 3000 BC. I stumbled upon him while I was researching stuff for this odd little Japanese game titled Nostradamus ni Kiite Miro♪. Which is apparently about cute little girls being the incarnations of Nostradamus' and Agasthiya's prophecies. Apparently, he's moderately well known in Japan, but I've never heard of him (I'm American). Anyways, I'm getting confused already, so it would be nice if I could have some more information to go off so I could understand this whole Agasthiya character thing better. Even a simple stub would be nice, whatever you happen to be able to dig up. --SeizureDog 22:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There is already an article on Agastya - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 22:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. Alternate spelling that just needed a redirect. Thanks for the help. --SeizureDog 00:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There is also an article Naadi which should be merged into Nadi astrology. Tintin (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Done! - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 10:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:WPIndia Navigation

I re-adjusted the table width while making the font of the stats table smaller. If it's hard to read, users may simply click "view full worklist". AQu01rius (User • Talk) 23:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The Bharat Scouts and Guides

Can someone put this text File:Indianamestrip.jpg into the organization name on the article? Thanks Chris 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Kannada Wikipedia

Can anyone with contacts in Kannada Wikipedia see into this matter. They seem to be using a fair use image kn:ಚಿತ್ರ:ಸುವರ್ಣ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ.png in all their encyclopedia articles. The image is from NIC.IN website and is about celebration of 50 years of existence of Karnataka. Even if the image were free, I am sure such things are unwarranted. In the past, the Urdu Wikipedia was pulled up for putting Quranic verses on top of all articles. We shouldn't let that happen to one of Indian language encyclopedias. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The image was put up to mark the occasion of Golden Jubilee of Karnataka, which happened in November. I guess they would stay on only for this month (November) and would be removed after that. Hope this helps in clarifying. -- Naveen ^(talk) 05:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that. But the image is a fair-use image. It might be suitable for an article on Karnataka, its hisotry, or even culture; but you can't use it in every article of the encyclopedia. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ambuj, the image was marked under fair-use by me just because there was no explicit license for the image. There is very little bother and understanding here about the licenses of images that most of it is taken for granted - which, is the bitter truth for us Wikipedians so much used with licensing for all images. Frankly, though, there are very less reasons why anyone should be too much worried about the use of this particular image since the image in most possibility *falls under public domain* as it is a work done by Karnataka Government, and they would be more than happy to let people use it to celebrate the Golden Jubilee of the state. Cheers, --H P Nadig * ^{\Talk \Contributions} 06:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Indian government images don't fall under "public domain". They are copyrighted under the Indian copyright law. A celebration such as this should be a news-item on the News section of the main-page. Wikipedia should be neutral and not participate in these happenings/celebrations. Language on Wikipedia is just a vehicle to promote knowledge, it should not be used to identify a set of people/state. Lastly fair-use images should never be displayed on the main-page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 06:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Now the image license has been changed to show it as PD, but no rationale provided. The image still lacks a source description which makes it impossible to verify the exact copyright status of the image. Again, as Ganesh said, images by Indian/State governments, or even nic.in are not in public domain, and are copyrighted under the Indian Copyright Law. I request any editor who has sysop access on kannada wikipedia to see to it that the image is remove from the wikipedia's sitenotice. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikimeetup

Have a look at Wikipedia:Meetup, this can happen in big Indian cities as well where there are multiple wikipedians. Vjdchauhan 11:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vjdchauhan (talk • contribs)

Yeah, the bangaloreans had a good one sometime back. Still waiting for one in North India though — Lost^(talk) 11:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore1. Template:Meetup was missing this meetup! Have added now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

template logo

User:Szhaider makes a good point here that the flag of the Republic of India should not be affixed to the Wikiproject:India template, since the template covers subjects like Mohenjo-Daro which were never under the Republic of India. — goethean ॐ 21:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Well said and I agreeNadirali 03:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

The logo is just a identifier. It's no big deal. WP India project scope covers both pre and post indenpendence periods. That user should not be removing other project tags without discussion. I am constantly having to remind WP:AGF, that the intention is not mark the territory, but to improve the quality of the aritcle. In the end, we are all working to make a encyclopedia of good quality. Assessment departments help with it. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The logo is just a identifier. It's no big deal.

Obviously, not all agree. — goethean ॐ 21:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, he's taking them off and removing scripts. I'd like to file on rfc on him.--D-Boy 22:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think bot-assisted tagging of articles are not really a good idea, because it adds a lot of articles unrelated to the actual project. Unless people from a Wikiproject actually are working on the article, it will be wrong to do a brute-force mechanized tagging. My 2 cents. --Ragib 22:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The bots just follow the categories such as Category:History of India. They are not intelligent. These categories were added by humans. Would it be wrong to tag a article that had a category such as the one I noted with WP India? Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there a Wikiproject on History of India? If so, it might be relevant and also not so objectionable (to people who are removing the tags) to add WP History of India tag on these articles, rather than adding the WP India tag. In fact, articles like Taxila may be more relevant to the WP History of India rather than WP India. What's your take on this idea? --Ragib 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a project for History of India. It was made a work-group of India project. So the tag on the talk page would read {{WP India|history=yes}}. This avoids the need to create seperate project banners for each workgroup. India is just a over-all root project. The maintanance of the article will be done by the respective workgroup. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I want to know couple of things. Is there any reason why an article cannot be a part of two independent WikiProjects? If there is no such restriction, what is wrong in having both tags on the talk pages? Sarvagnya 22:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Apart from using a little talk-page real-estate, there is no restriction on having multiple project templates. Talk-page real-estate issue was addressed with the small=yes parameter (see Talk:Leonardo da Vinci). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with having the history template on the pages. WP history of india covers both before 1947 and after. That includes ancient history such as indic civilizations. They have plenty of space to add their templates. History should be consist on wikipedia. What happens to pakistan after 1947 except for the wars, terrorism, international politics is their business.--D-Boy 23:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The flag of the Republic of India should not be on the project template if the Wikiproject concerns the subcontinent of India. — goethean ॐ 21:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposal

Since some strongly feel about this flag image, I wanted to suggest adding a parameter to the banner, "pre=yes" to denote pre-independence article. If "pre" is set to "yes", the template will morph itself to show a image "Ashoka pillar" (for example) and any links to India will link to Indian subcontinent. How does this sound? -- Ganeshk (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

New workgroups

I have started two new workgroups, WikiProject Andhra Pradesh and WikiProject Karnataka. The banner flags are andhra=yes and karnataka=yes respy. Please feel free to join-in and contribute. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 06:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)