User talk:Thuringowacityrep: Difference between revisions

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There is a discussion on this subject at Talk:Townsville, Queensland#Townsville.2C vs Townsville and Thurringowa user:alec mcc

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Thank you Alec 13:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Thuringowacityrep, thanks for the interesting edits today, I'd still be interested in your sources, looks like good info. I've been having a bit of a look round the city council websites for more info myself. Glad you didn’t give up, keep up the good work, you’ll have Thuringowa, Queensland up to scratch in no time. Alec 12:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks mate i was having a bad day when i said i would give up .... but i got a email the other day and it was full of good info about both Townsville and thuringowa plus i got a letter in the post today full of facts and history about both cities so i will go thought it all and fill in the gaps soon the big thing i want to get correct is when Thuringowa got its name i have info saying as early as 1819 but i will need to find out more about this ...if you see anything in your travels would you let me know please.....all my sources will be added in a area at the bottom of the article as soon as i have put in all my info thanks again

Hi Thuringowacityrep, glad you're having a good day today then, when working on a project to significantly update a article people seem to use the talk section of a article to get the wording right and then copy it over to the main article when it's completed and been there for a few days, eg. Talk:Cairns, Queensland#History Expansion

Also this is what I've been using for referencing (you'll need to copy these from the edit section):

Then at the end of the article insert:

References

hope this helps. thanks, Alec 13:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

tell me what is wrong with it then

well how about you tell me what needs to be fixed in your views and i will see what i can do but after reading it i think i need to place the same message at the top of the Townsville page once again im waiting for you reply

Hi Thuringowacityrep, this isn't a competition between Thuringowa residents and Townsville residents. If, after studying Wikipedia's guidlines, it is your judgement that an article such as Townsville, Queensland warrants a maintenance notice then it is your prerogative as an editor to insert one, although it might be a good idea to build up a bit more experience in Wikipedia editing first before making such a decision. The important thing is that whatever you do, you do it with the objective of improving Wikipedia not as part of some vendetta against Townsville City or other editors.

As to what changes need to be made, I suggest you either read the references or sources section for further info, or you can contact the editor who placed the maintenance notice. I've looked at the history and Mgekelly|talk (edited: 27 May 2006) is the editor you should ask info of as to how to improve the Thuringowa, Queensland article to comply with the references or sources policy. Although he will probably, in the first instance, direct you to the policy as well. Thanks Alec 07:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you, I know that it isn't a competition between Thuringowa residents and Townsville residents. all I have ever done is made some minor corrections using the facts that I have here in front of me. I am all for improving this site and the articles on it but it makes it hard when it keeps getting changed ...even when I have made a change to the Townsville site that had nothing to do with Thuringowa it got changed back. I have made 2 or 3 minor edits when not logged in and I don't see how putting minor edit is a downplay, they were only minor edits I changed 1 word or added a link ..next item I will write down everything I do, I didn't know I had to. I made 1 personal attack and I told you I was sorry for that, I seen the get a life message and just so you know that wasn't me my ip address is User:58.167.149.67 or User:203.51.205.16 I have a static ip but I do have 2 computers that is why I have had the 2 ip addres's show up so I don't think there was any need for the hand in the corner. I don't have a vendetta against Townsville City or other editors I just want the correct info on the pages not misleading stuff, again everything I use is written in black and white from the JCU, BOM, Townsville city website, Thuringowa city website, AIMS, Censes, Townsville and Thuringowa library, Queensland History society, some travel websites and government pages plus others (I have copyright permission), nothing I ever add is from my Thoughts as what I think is not important here just the true facts are. please feel free to ask me anything you like...also I have a lot of history info here about Townsville that I want to add but if I do I would be removed so if you want it I can tell you and you can add it if you want Thanks again

Thuringowacityrep my sincere apologies for mistaking those anonymous edits for yourself. I have removed references to anonymous editing and ‘minor edits’ and also the level 2 civility warning. Again my apologies for the mistake, it was the background of my becoming more harsh in my comments.

Your edits will not be reverted if they are sourced and not disputed as User talk:Chacor has said. So I encourage you to place your proposed edits (with sources) yourself and see what happens, I know if I made the edits that you have made to this point they would be reverted just the same as yours have been. Your work has been controversial to this point because it seems like you are only editing Wikipedia to promote a point of view.

I am thinking of spending a bit of time over the Christmas holi’s significantly cleaning up the Townsville article (if I have time) and trying to add sources for the article, I agree with you that the Townsville article does have much referencing and is rated as such. So I would be very grateful for you to start referencing so I can also read the sources you refer to. Alec 09:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

no probs mate will work on it soon (like you... when I have time) sorry if it seems to be like my point of view but I don't want it to look that way, like I have said before all my info came from official books and website's. I will be doing the same as you but with the Thuringowa article, I will be adding a lot more info on tourist attractions, hotels, resorts, beaches, restaurants just to name a few. I'm in the process of getting copyright permission to use a map that shows Townsville city and Thuringowa city just so people will have a better idea of where Thuringowa is, it also has Ingham, Ayr, Brandon and Home Hill on it so I might put it on those town's article's (if they have one) and I will do the updates I have for Townsville and see what people think. thanks again

Hi there, just a note that you haven't included a link for the info you changed in the Cyclone Tessi section of 1999-2000 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season yet, could you please add your source? Cheers, – Chacor 11:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

will do mate i have the page where i got the info saved on my computer but i am having trouble finding the webpage that i copied it from, so as soon as i find it i will add that for you, will be in the next day or so...sorry about the delay thanks for the reminder

Keep in mind that copyright has to be completely waved when put on Wikipedia which might be difficult to get Alec 11:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

no probs mate.. thanks, I have been knocked back on a few things but if they see it is put to good use they let me with conditions

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Population inclusion

Hi thuringowacityrep, RE your editing of List of cities in Australia by population|talk either Thuringowa is included in the Townsville Statistical Division or it isn't, if it isn't then Townsville's Stat. Div. population is not 164 000 (thus saying that greater Townsville is smaller than Toowoomba, Darwin and Cairns) if it is then Thuringowa should be identified as part of that Stat. Div. Alec 01:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

hi mate this is correct Townsville has about 103000 people and Thuringowa has about 63000 but when I went in and made the changes a while back to show Townsville as having only 103000 and added Thuringowa down the page someone came along and changed it all back so what am I to do.....the Australian Government see's Townsville as having only 103000+ people and it see's Thuringowa as having 63000+ people as does the Townsville city website and the Thuringowa city website..so again I have tried to correct a misleading error and again it looks like that facts won't make it in this article

tell me what I need to do to allow this change....did you read down the page a bit and see that it lists Townsville with the correct population and Thuringowa with the correct population

hi, Thuringowacityrep, thanks for your reply. In this matter I think you are confusing classifications. Before making edits please look at the context of the reference to Townsville and/or Thuringowa. Thuringowa City is in the Local Government Area of Thuringowa (population of about 60K), the Townsville Statistical District (population of about 160K) and the Northern Statistical Division (population of about 205K), there is heaps of information on this stuff on the ABS website.

The changes you made in early September to show Townsville and Thuringowa as separate Statistical Districts was factually incorrect. I was the one who asked for this error to be reviewed and Bongomanrae|talk made the correction.

As I previously indicated in talk:Townsville, Queensland it is very debatable whether Thuringowa is a urban centre in its own right because there is no physical separation between the two cities, but I have not edited it so that Thuringowa is included in the Townsville Urban Centre, but Thuringowa is unquestionably in the Statistical District of Townsville, so I think you are making misleading edit to promote a POV by removing the reference to Townsville Statistical District. Thanks, Alec 09:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

ok thank you i've got to the stage where i might just give up i didn't remove any reference to Townsville Statistical District and if i did i didn't know it.... thanks again

continual inserting of Thuringowa references all over Wikipedia

RE: your comments at Talk:Bruce Highway

Hi Thuringowacityrep, you have spoken to Matt about this edit but no one owns any page and if you are going to edit Wikipedia you have to be prepared for it to be edited. Matt ke|talk only said that he would be fine with adding Thuringowa to the list of Cities/Towns that the Bruce passes through, not to insert references to Thuringowa throughout the article, a point I agree with.

Since you started editing your edits have been almost exclusively to insert unreferenced POVs into the Thuringowa, Queensland and Townsville, Queensland articles and also to search Wikipedia for references to Townsville for the sole purpose of adding references to Thuringowa. If you're starting to feel that Wikipedia is full of people who have a one sided POV, maybe you should start examining your involvement in Wikipedia and whether it is actually you who has the bias POV and your involvement in Wikipedia is solely to promote a POV. You were starting to head in the right direction earlier this week by inserting new information into the Thuringowa page, which I acknowledged, although you still haven't referenced them.

You say that everyone's biased because they don't live in Thuringowa, well no other editor (who isn't immediately reverted) is going round solely adding references to a city or place. You're obvious close connection to the Mayors in Townsville demonstrate to my mind your own bias in all this, and you've obviously been doing specific research to look for sources to support your preconceived views, and you still haven't been willing to reference all this so called research that you continually refer to... you really don't seem to be approaching this stuff in good faith and I'm getting tired of trying to help you work within Wikipedia instead of against it. Thanks, Alec 11:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

well like I said I left it out of the info box but feel that I city of this size need to be listed if you don't think so then that you POV. I have NOT been using unreferenced POVs into Thuringowa, Queensland and Townsville, Queensland articles nor have I searched Wikipedia for references to Townsville for the sole purpose of adding references to Thuringowa I have fixed up a lot of other pages in my time using this site and Thuringowa used to be fine until someone came along and made changes that were incorrect and misleading so don't dare say I was doing it for that (that's your POV)

as for the new info I entered into the Thuringowa I will reference them at the end all at the same time ...I didn't think that was a problem...and I never said that everyone is biased because they don't live in Thuringowa where did that come from? I add Thuringowa to some article's because it is left out of the facts or has something to do with the article (like the Bruce hwy).

so what if I have a close connection to the Mayor of Townsville and Thuringowa I also know the mayor of Brisbane and have had dinner with John Howard how does this make me Bias?.....now this is a good one you say that I've obviously been doing specific research to look for sources to support my preconceived views..WELL im not using my VIEWS at all only the FACTS and the research that I have done includes new info on Townsville,Thuringowa,Ayr,Longreach, Muttaburra,the Gold coast and a few others oh and I have all the reference links for you so you can go and see that what I have been saying all this time is TRUE FACT and not POV like a lot of other people here

now if your getting tired of trying to help me work within Wikipedia instead of against it stop removing the Facts ok sometimes I might have put Thuringowa in somewhere to many times but there is no need to remove every reference to it, I understand that some yes, but you must understand that it is ok for Townsville it is well known but Thuringowa isn't and it seems that Townsville is trying to take all the reference away from Thuringowa all I am doing is adding (like I have said before) The Facts not POV not what I think not what I here and not what one Mayor says

and you know in all my years of editing on here I have Never had any trouble....

well can't wait to see your reply

take care

Hi Thuringowacityrep, I didn't remove all your references to Thuringowa just where you were either grouping Thuringowa in with the other info box cities or you were repeatedly refering to Thuringowa when it was not neccessary.

RE you stating that those who are reverting your edits were biased because they don't live in Thuringowa an hour ago:

'i'm finding that Wikipedia is full of people that are very one sided i bet if you lived in Thuringowa it would be ok to add the very minor things i do' Talk:Bruce Highway

I'm getting really sick of arguing with you, I suggest we enter into Mediation for this dispute, are you agreeable to this?

Thanks, Alec 12:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)