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Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series

Original research synthesis about a Yu-Gi-Oh! parody fan series on YouTube. Now, as a disclaimer, I think it's hilarious, but I'm afraid it doesn't meet the Web content notability guidelines. Specifically:

The content itself has not been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself.
The content has not won a notable independent award from either a publication or organisation, as far as I know.
The content is not distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators. YouTube would fall under the "trivial" hosts clause, as in "Although GeoCities and Newgrounds are exceedingly well known, hosting content on them is trivial," as anyone can upload videos to the site.

Additionally, the article in is current form is an unencyclopedic analytical guide to the series based upon personal observation, not information published in reliable sources. --Slowking Man 17:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Articles about this subject have already been to AfD twice before, as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Abridged Series and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged Series (although it appears those AfD debates ran concurrently). Nevertheless, from glancing at the deleted revisions, this article appears to be significantly different, so I feel that continuing this AfD may be useful (CSD G4 states, "Before deleting again, the admin should ensure that the material is substantially identical and not merely a new article on the same subject."). --Slowking Man 02:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the second time someone has wanted to delete an article I have written under rights of notability so you'll forgive me if I sound...unhappy. While I will admit when i first began the article most of the infomation provided on The Abridged Series was from my own personal interpretation (It has since been edited several times) It is simply because I am not Little Kuriboh, and therefore can not give use reliable sources, short of asking Kuriboh himself (Something I have been trying to do, but have been unable to due his busy lifestyle). Another thing to point out is not every article subject on Wikipedia has been the subject of published works, nor has every article subject won a notable independent award. As to the host issue, Youtube is hardly a trivial host. Although, yes, anyone can upload onto the site (I myself own an account there) some of the contributors are well known companies such as NBS and CBS just to name a couple. I would also like to point out that episodes 1-14 were recently realeased onto Bittorrent (As close as it will ever get to a DVD release) thus taking it away from hosts all together. I am aware that the article doesn't read like other pages, but I am trying my hardest to change it. Also, unless the article is deleted, I am trying to improve it as best I can (Episode guide, etc) Finally, People LIKE this page. The articles talk page only has one person wanting to delete it (For it's notability) I have worked hard on it, and am pleased that people have taken an interest in updating it. in other words, I don't think you should delete this page. Dearing 19:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, asking Kuriboh for information would still conflict with WP:OR as well. Neier 00:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, fails WP:NOR, WP:WEB. Unfortunately, neither the number of people who (allegedly) like an article nor how much work the creator put into it are factors in whether it meets Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. RGTraynor 20:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unfortunately, as much as I like this series, there's no way to keep it from failing policies all across the board. It's actually been deleted in two previous AfD's and I was nervous about the present article. I wish I could vote Keep, but it's not possible. Danny Lilithborne 21:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's a notable online series, and there are much more obscure things on wikipedia. I also fail to see this agenda against YouTube videos.J'onn J'onzz 23:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it notable? Has it won any major award? Has it been re-broadcast on another media? Has it been subject of mutliple non-trivial sources? If not, it fails to meet Wikipedia web content inclusion guidelines. --Kunzite 01:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KeepVeemonjosh 23:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a debate, not a vote. Please provide reasoning for keeping this article. i.e. Add sources to the article that provide information that in someway meets the standards at Wikipedia's web inclusion guidelines --Kunzite 01:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Shouns 00:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Danny Lilithborne above. Neier 00:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Depending on our criteria for honours it (the original episode) may have 3. However those honours that it has earned are Youtube's internal ranking honours, so if we intend to start admitting them as criteria for notability we would need a decent discussion at WP:WEB on where to draw the line at, and they would probably be best put into briefly summarized lists someplace rather than their own articles. That discussion seems to have not taken place, so delete for now. --tjstrf talk 07:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per J'onn J'onzz. Birdboy2000 22:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it notable? J'onn didn't really provide a reason. --Kunzite 01:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete "People like it" is not a reason to keep. The article provides no sources on how it meets Wikipedia's web inclusion guidelines. Has it won a major award? Has it been re-broadcast on another medium? Have there been multiple nontrivial mentions of it in any published work? I can't find any. --Kunzite 01:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom.-DESU 11:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails to be noteworthy. I don't think it has escaped YouTube.--Cloak' 14:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to delete this article, I will not stop you (I know other people simply keep putting old pages back up after being deleted.) However, I would like to say two things. The first is that I will be keeping a copy of this page in case THe Abridged Series reaches the specifications needed to to be classed as a wikipedia article. the second thing is that after reading the articles talk page, I discovered several people found the article to be useful (Note i said useful, not "They liked it".) Cactus Bob said and i quote "I personally searched for this topic myself. I believe that this page is a valuable resource for finding references that would be different to research on one's own", while MoChan said "I actually found out about this series in the first place thanks to this article". I always thought Wikipedia was here to inform people, that was the only reason I began this article. I think that the series is notable enough to get a page here, even though it's hasn't won any awards or been featured in publications, but judging from this page, many of you don't think the same. I can understand that. We all have to follow the rules, otherwise we'd have chaos. Dearing 16:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite accurate; Wikipedia's purpose is to be an online encyclopedia, not to "inform people," a vague aspiration under which damn near anything could be justified. That being said, you saving a copy of the article in the event the guidelines change or the subject meets those guidelines just makes good sense. RGTraynor 17:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Encyclopedia-A comprehensive reference work with articles on a range of topics." extract taken from Wiktionary's article on Encylopedia. Now to me, that just says "A Reference book used to tell people about all kinds of stuff," Which is what I use Encylopedias for, to look up info on things I want to know about. I couldn't find a page on The Abridged Series, so I wrote one in the hopes I could tell other people about it, and they'd find it useful. and for what it's worth, they did. Dearing 11:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Not only is the page being worked on constantly, the fact that many other Youtube video series that are not as popular, or have even less information on them, exist on Wikipedia surely would mean that they should be up for deletion before this article? KatsuyaJounouchi 18:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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	"Encyclopedia-A comprehensive reference work with articles on a range of topics." extract taken from Wiktionary's article on Encylopedia. Now to me, that just says "A Reference book used to tell people about all kinds of stuff," Which is what I use Encylopedias for, to look up info on things I want to know about. I couldn't find a page on The Abridged Series, so I wrote one in the hopes I could tell other people about it, and they'd find it useful. and for what it's worth, they did. [[User:Dearing\|Dearing]] 11:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)		"Encyclopedia-A comprehensive reference work with articles on a range of topics." extract taken from Wiktionary's article on Encylopedia. Now to me, that just says "A Reference book used to tell people about all kinds of stuff," Which is what I use Encylopedias for, to look up info on things I want to know about. I couldn't find a page on The Abridged Series, so I wrote one in the hopes I could tell other people about it, and they'd find it useful. and for what it's worth, they did. [[User:Dearing\|Dearing]] 11:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

			*'''Keep''' Not only is the page being worked on constantly, the fact that many other Youtube video series that are not as popular, or have even less information on them, exist on Wikipedia surely would mean that they should be up for deletion before this article? [[User:KatsuyaJounouchi\|KatsuyaJounouchi]] 18:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)