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Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need any questions answered about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or drop me a line. BTW, I am very impressed with the quality of your editing, fact checking and cross-linking. Great work! Cheers! --maveric149

Zoe, WRT your work on city pages, we have a naming convention for cities as many localities worthy of mention in encyclopedias share names (for instance, Melbourne, Florida and Melbourne, Victoria). An example is Georgetown, which as well as the capital of Guyana is also the name of a major city near Washington D.C. Therefore, the Georgetown page should be shifted to Georgetown, Guyana and a disambiguation page pointing to the various Georgetowns put there in its place.

I understand that, but I was linking from the "national capitals" page, which isn't disambiguated, so I was just creating new pages from there. I guess I need to do REFER or whatever it's called, but I'm not sure how to do that. -- Zoe

Zoe - don't worry, I'll fix the Georgetown thing. Nice work on the capitals you have done. :) Cheers MMGB

It's not your fault Zoe -- whoever made the list in the first place was careless about this issue. It's also sometimes difficult to know if a particular city name is shared by several (or more) different cities. What I do when I'm not sure, is look up the city name on Google while excluding the name of the country and see if there are other notable cites also known by the same name. For example. Of course, one would never make a disambiguation page out of truely famous cities such as Paris just because some small city in Texas has the same name (in these cases a link to Paris, Texas at the bottom of Paris is more than enough). BTW, whoever makes a disambigution page is also responsible for fixing any broken links that may result (in other words, any links to Georgetown would have to be fixed to go directly to the right page). Hope this helps! --maveric149

Hey that was ME, ya mongrel :) Actually, when I made the original page (which took forever) the last thing on my mind was disambiguation issues, back in those days we didn't have enough articles to have even contemplated it! Nice to see how times have changed :) - MMGB

Hi Zoe, good work on all the capital cities! One request: if you create a new article on a city, also create a redirect for "city, country". This isn't a real Wikipedia naming convention, but some people tend to link that way. Then again, if you don't do it, I will make the redirects... Greetings, jheijmans

One more note - when you have a link to an article as the first word of a sentence, there's no need to make a link like

[[sugar|Sugar]]

In fact, all articles start with a capital letter, so no need to do this. jheijmans

Minor clarification: Articles are displayed with their first letter capitalized but are in fact case-insensitive -- so it doesn't matter if you capitalize the first letter or not when linking. --maveric149

Minor clarification to clarification: Article titles really do all start with a capital letter. But, the first letter of links to articles is case-insensitive, so it doesn't matter if you capitalize the first letter or not when linking. --Brion VIBBER

Hi again Zoe: Well you are certainly making your presence felt - really top-notch work on the world capitals! One question - what's your source for the "Masero" spelling (as opposed to "Maseru")? I've been to Lesotho and I've never seen the "Masero" spelling before - it's always "Maseru". However, in deference to your skill and effort, I didn't want to rush in and change anything. Also, if you are planning on sticking around here (which I certainly hope you do), consider signing up for Wikipedia-L. Warm Regards Manning

Thanks. I think I may have mistyped the REDIRECT. Can somebody correct that for me? I can't delete the page. Sorry. -- Zoe

Don't apologise - I've done a lot worse than that in my time :) You go on with whatever you're doing and I'll do the hack editorial stuff - I'm too jetlagged to do anything else. Cheers MMGB

I do appreciate your work here; I don't mean to be rude (though sometimes I am anyway). At first when I started writing for wikipedia, my contributions would get edited severely and I'd take offense. Now I think that's just the natural result of writing for a site with a lot of users, all of whom can edit any article they see that they think needs editing. Having said that, I do still think that plot summaries should go before awards in movie entries, if only because it's been that way in all of the books I have on movies (Ebert, Maltin, Videohound, etc.) Call it a force of habit. I don't think we have a policy for how to write about films, though I'm glad we're getting enough film entries that the issue has come up. :-)

Anyway, I won't insult you by going through and changing them all, though I may change ones I run across in the future (in a few months or a year or a decade ... if they haven't all been expanded greatly by then anyway). Again, thanks for all your work, and I aplogize for being cranky. Best, Koyaanis Qatsi, Tuesday, July 9, 2002

Yes, please don't be discouraged by other people reworking your articles -- it all comes out right in the end. I really appreciate your contributions on the movie articles. -- Anon.\

Zoe, sometimes the greatest contribution is simply to start an article on its way. Someone will see it in Recent Changes, remember that they have something to say about it, then someone else sees it and so on. I would never have thought of doing an article on Trader Horn, but when I saw that you had done one, I remembered that I had seen it on vacation once and was inspired to add to the article. Then I noticed that Duncan Renaldo, who played the Cisco Kid was in it, so there was another link, which might lead someone else to write something about O. Henry who wrote the Cisco Kid. By that time, you may be adding something to someone else's article, and so the great wheel goes on, having been started rolling in this case by you. Ortolan88

Zoe, disambiguation help badly needed! If there is a movie and a novel with the same title (and they are the same story, of course) I think they should be discussed in the same place and at the same time. The Dickens titlesA Tale of Two Cities and A Tale of Two Cities (1935) had me wandering all over the place editing the wrong thing, and as you add more movies based on books you will be creating more confusion. Sometimes the book is obscure and the movie is famous, so the article can be mostly about the movie with just a mention of the book, but with A Tale of Two Cities we have a routine movie, and a pretty old one at that, competing for the article title with a very important novel. The model you used in Les Miserables where everything was discussed in one place, seems to be a good one to follow. Ortolan88, Thursday, July 11, 2002

Oops, there are two Les Miz articles too. Les Miserables covers everything (including 7 or 8 film versions) while your Les Miserables (1935) covers only one movie. This really doesn't work. I'm sorry. Ortolan88, Thursday, July 11, 2002

I don't see anything wrong with having separate articles on the book and films so long as everything is cross-linked. Generally I prefer to start with the most famous work, go into some detail on it and adaptations of it, summarize that info at a non-disambiguated title when a certain length is reached and then have more in-depth discussions on particular adaptations in disambiguated articles. However, I don't fault people for making lists after stubs (like in A Tale of Two Cities) and then make a couple of those items stubs too -- all they are doing is just planning ahead to the way the article will be when it is fully fleshed out. Ortolan, please stop being overly critical of other people's style of contribution -- nothing you mention above is in violation of any policy. Furthermore, the project is only 30% toward its goal of at least 100,000 articles -- everything here is still in alpha development. Please keep that in mind. --maveric149

I think Zoe is doing a great job on these movie articles, and I too was puzzled by the comments about disambiguating these same name movies. Eclecticology

I thought I did a good job of disambiguating. I CREATED the pages for the novels A Tale of Two Cities and Les Miserables,and aded entries for the movies so that we can disambiguate the movies from the books. I hardly think my entries on the books are gold, in fact they're little more than stubs, but I wanted to make separate entries for the movies and the books. the movie pages ARE disambiguated by the dates. And thanks for everybody's encouragement. -- Zoe

Hey Zoe, I just moved Academy Awards/Best Picture to Academy Award for Best Picture. I also changed all the links to the former to point to the latter--so in any future entries you don't have to pipe the link, you can just type it the way you'd expect to. Cheers, Koyaanis Qatsi

Yes, user:Eclecticology and I moved a lot of the Academy Awards pages. I'm also trying to correct all the links so they point to where the articles are now and none are left pointing to the redirects. I'll be working on it more tomorrow (sunday); I've had enough of it today. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi, Saturday, July 13, 2002

If I have the history right, you included the phrase "firestorm of protest" in the Current Events entry for Sahelanthropus tchadensis. Where was this? I saw some suggestions that it might not be a direct human ancestor, but nothing that I'd characterize as a firestorm, in the articles I read--Science, Nature News Update, the BBC, New Scientist, and Newsday. I've been tracking this, and working on the article; I'm leaning towards removing that comment, leaving in that it's unclear whether this is a human ancestor, a chimp ancestor, both, or neither. Vicki Rosenzweig

If I remember correctly, it was in CNN. Another French scientist said it was clearly a female gorilla and nothing to make a big deal over. I can't find the article now, though. Sorry. --Zoe