User talk:SimonP/Archive 5

• Archive - for user talk from December 2001 to September 2004
• Archive - for user talk from September 2004 to February 2005
• Archive - for user talk from February 2005 to April 2005
• Archive - for user talk from April 2005 to September 2005

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Castiglione del Lago, Umbria

Hi Simon...I added a page for Castiglione del Lago, which I hope you will take a quick look at. I wanted to add the name of the town and a link on the Towns of Umbria page, but found I couldn't edit it. Could you advise how I might do this, or add it yourself? Much appreciated. JVian 18:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

University of St. Michael's College

What's wrong with having an entry about Murphy Hall and why do you keep deleting it? It's a perfectly legitimate part of the campus. --Murphoholic 05:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Shawn Mikula

Hey Simon, I said the article was just a stub. I don't understand why you remove it?

Summary table Gulf War

Hi Simon! Your three barnstars impress me. They also make me wander why you revert my changes on the Gulf War page. I find the summary table of too little value. You counter-argument is it is tradition on war pages. However, most pages on war I encountered, do not contain such summaries. Second, I believe tradition is not a principle of Wikipedia. Could you please respond directly to my motivations? Jurriaan van Hengel 23:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC) Waiting for your response.

Iranian Revolution

Is there a reason why you revert the edited article back to its previous version? Regards, User:sassani (talk) 16 September 2005

Matthew 5:36

I created a brief entry on Matthew 5:36, any expertise you could lend, or info you could add, would be appreciated. Thanks. freestylefrappe 03:49, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Peristeria (orchid)

I just put up the Peristeria (orchid) page a few days ago. I came back to it today to add to it and it has been since deleted. Please explain the reasoning for the rapid delete. (Brett Francis 18:28, 18 September 2005 (UTC))

kdbuffalo

Simon, can you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kdbuffalo please? Dunc|☺ 19:43, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Double redirects

Hey, when you moved Miles O'Brien (Star Trek) to Miles O'Brien, you left a whole flock of double redirects (all pointed at Miles O'Brien (Star Trek)). Do you want to fix them, or shall I? Please make sure to check the link provided on the "move succeeded" page for this whenever you move a page. Thanks! Noel (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: You like, really need to archive your talk page! In addition to it just being plain big, do recall that every edit keeps a copy of the entire page (at 1/8th MB per edit), and we're going through disk space like mad on the server....

PPS: You also didn't move the talk page to keep the talk page for the article on the character with the character's page! Come on! This one I will fix right now, before someone edits the wrong talk page. Noel (talk) 00:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Long requested articles

Hi Simon ... keep adding to the Wikipedia:Articles requested for more than two years, and I'll keep trying to create them. ;) Proto t c 14:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

School listings on AfD

Are you aware that listing schools for deletion is about the most controversial thing one can do on Wikipedia? Are you aware of Wikipedia:Schools, which states that one should refrain from listing schools on AfD, and instead should be bold and merge short stubs. If you object to schools in general please add your comments to Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments, rather than wasting everyone's time with yet another AfD on the subject. - SimonP 13:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I was slightly aware of some possible controversy but didn't feel it was a scarlet letter kind of thing. Thanks for the Wikipedia:Schools link. I hadn't seen that one. I'll read it over. Thanks for your opinion. Dismas|^(talk) 13:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Simon, you have probably seen the {{historical}} tag on WP:SCH. Anyway, there used to be a hard-won consensus/truce/gentlemen's agreement on AfD that high schools were unlikely to get deleted and thus should not be listed. Elementary schools, OTOH, were considered less notable and actually likely to get deleted often. This seems to have failed, thanks to the effort of several editors making a WP:POINT. Pilatus 15:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Palazzo Pitti

Thanks for re-arranging the pictures ay Palazzo Pitti, I just can't get the hang of how to do it, I just stick them in and hope for the best. It's much better now. Thanks. Giano | talk 07:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

France ?

Hello! Why did you remove from the article the two formats: G8 & Security Council? Thanks! --Vlad 10:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The Iranian Revolution

Thanks for your response. This article has a lot of flaws which I will disucss with you at a later time when I am less busy with work. Regards, User:sassani (talk) 23 September 2005

Generalitat Valenciana

The "Valencian Generaliad" (Generalitat Valenciana (ca) or Generalidad Valenciana (es)) is an institution of the "Government of the Autonomous Community of Valencia", but in no case it is the "Valencian Community" (Comuninidad Valenciana). Gabri-en 15:22, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

See: Generalidad Valenciana in Spanish. Gabri-en 15:25, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA

Just to say thanks for supporting my RfA. Please let me know if you see me screw up. --Doc (?) 19:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Cold War

Hi. Sorry I wasn't around earlier to work on the Marshall Plan peer review... By the way, if you have time, could you please take a look at Cold War (1953-1962). I'm having more and more trouble there dealing with a tendentious yet very uninformed editor who has been mutilating the article on almost a daily basis. I'm hoping that someone else might have more luck in dealing with him. 172 | Talk 21:28, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello again. Never mind. It looks like things are beginning to get under control. 172 | Talk 03:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The Shins

I've reverted your changes because you have not offered any contribution to the current discussion on the talk page, as to whether or not these stubs should remain to give people a chance to add to them and expand them in the future. At the moment, only I and one other wikipedian have discussed this, and we both agree that the stubs should stay, I'd invite you to join in all this at Talk:The Shins before making any other changes. Cheers. --Brendanfox 01:42, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Read my lips: no new taxes

Great work on the article. I check the FAC and it said that the sound file works now. Anything else that could be done? Zach (Sound Off) 02:19, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

What's the point of these mindless verify tags - if there is something you don't believe, spell it it out or leave things alone. I'm fed up with these unthinking and negatives actions, and your timing is bad after my run-in with your friend above. jimfbleak 19:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

OK, sorry. I was in a really foul mood because of User:Zscout370 deleting images marked as my personal photos without any consultation, so I was a bit trigger happy, sorry again Jim

Forgotten Realms template

Bonjour,

Regarding your text Forgotten Realms warnings, the request is now in the template for deletion request for FR-template. Reply to David Latapie 20:42, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Mauler

Please don't revert this again. I will be turning this into an article about the GD Mauler missile. That's why I said the redirect was innappropriate.

The only reason it existed in the first place is because someone though a fictional weapon from a little-played videogame deserved its own article, and this was all that was left after the single paragraph was merged into the Perfect Dark article.

Maury

CHNM Interview

Hello,

I’m a historian working at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University and we are very interested in digital, peer-produced works of history, including history articles in Wikipedia. We’d like to talk to people about their experiences working on articles in Wikipedia, in connection with a larger project on the history of the free and open source software movement. Would you be willing to talk with us about your involvement, either by phone, a/v chat, IM, or email? This could be as lengthy or brief a conversation as you wish.

Thanks for your consideration.

Ken Albers

kalbers at gmu dot edu

Ottawa Hospital pics

Love 'em, great job! --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 21:46, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. There has been some perfect weather for getting good pictures recently. - SimonP 21:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree with replacing User:Earl Andrew's CHEO pic, so I put it back in, just further down. Both are appropriate since they are different angles of the building. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 21:53, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

request

Hi Simon,

Could you give Microsoft a peer review when you have a chance? Anything would be appreciated! Thanks! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 16:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! That was very hulpful! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 22:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Woodroffe

Hi there, thanks for leaving a message. I counted 8 keep votes, 17 delete votes and one vote to merge. I consider merge a hybrid -- it's saying the content is worthy but shouldn't have its own article, so I evaluate them case-by-case. Sometimes I count it with either keep or delete depending on the person's comments. In this instance I kept it in its own category. To me he was not saying anything specifically about the merit of this particular article's content, but rather suggesting a way to conglomerate all of these types of articles, so I didn't count it toward either tally. Given that, the result (17 delete, 8 keep) results in a 65.4% ratio to delete, which was close enough for me. You're welcome to list it on VFU if you want though, since it was a close one. Best · Katefan0^(scribble) 18:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to hear it -- I understand what you're saying and agree with the principle. What I was suggesting is that if 66% is the acceptable threshold for consensus, then 65.4% is close enough to me to consider it a consensus. I'm sorry you disagree, but respect your concerns! · Katefan0^(scribble) 19:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn't add that I am always open to talking about anything at all, particularly if it's a concern someone has about me or something I've done. So please don't hesitate in the future (and I'm glad you didn't in this instance). All my best · Katefan0^(scribble) 19:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Business and Economics

Hi, you did some great work on the Marshall Plan. Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Business and Economics? It was started recently, so it requires some people to chip in. Thanks. --Pamri • Talk 03:03, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment, I'll certainly join. - SimonP 03:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

uncategorized template

I'd like to request that you place the {{uncategorized}} template on the article page instead of the talk page, so that it takes one edit instead of two to remove it. This would save a lot of time when categorizing a large number of articles. Thanks! -- Reinyday, 16:15, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually that template should always go on the talk page. As Wikipedia:Templates makes clear, any template only of use to editors should go on the talk page. Meta messages should be kept out of articles. - SimonP 16:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I understand, but it takes twice as long to add the category to the article page and then delete the template from the talk page. Since you are the only person that uses it this way, and since articles are regularly and actively being categorized, I again respectfully ask that you place it on the article page. If you put it at the bottom, where the category will go anyway, it is quite unobtrusive. -- Reinyday, 16:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Totalitarian dictators

Someone removed this category from CfD, claiming that there was "no consensus." There was no consensus in the sense that there wasn't the absence of a single vote of opposition, but deletion, of course, only requires a solid majority, which was clearly established. The editor who made this call also went on to randomly add the category to a bunch of articles, which makes me suspect that removing it from CfD was a sneaky trick. 172 | Talk 22:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'd still wait to get another opinion. Just about all categories with similar levels of support for deletion get deleted. The fact that admin who made the call went on to repopulate the category also does not inspire much confidence in the impartiality. It'd be like either of us stating or perspective on the CfD and then going on to delete the category ourselves. 172 | Talk 22:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Toronto

I've noticed your reverts on Toronto and am becoming very tired of reverting the boosterism myself. User:70.81.117.175 appears to be one culprit. Can you block? Incorrect, unsourced, unwikified info. A load of it. I'm picking through his edits but its tiresome. Marskell 00:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

His first edit since is to move Toronto up a rank improperly on Global city. Obviously not going to stop. I don't know how the block works--don't want to cut off half of Toronto but I think this anon should go. Marskell 00:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

University of Michigan - a second look

Though the peer review is closed, can you look over the article and note if anymore changes are needed? Thanks. Pentawing 03:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. As for the picture, that couldn't be helped since I was trying to get two residence halls in one shot with a digital camera with limited functionality. More changes will come to the article soon. Pentawing 03:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering if you can get a chance to look over the article and comment on it further? Thanks. Pentawing 20:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:UN Security Council

My mistake, sorry about that. It can stay on the Security Council page though, no? I'm proud of that lil' template. Also some countries (China, I see, right off the bat) have no 'ties' template. Staxringold 12:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

• • That's fine, but what do we do with Nations (China, for example, or Benin) which have no 'ties' template? Staxringold 18:14, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Blech, I did them up for the permanent members and Romania, but I've got other work to do now. Staxringold 16:21, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Theodore Roosevelt

I made the changes we discussed already on FAC. Would you mind taking another look at the article and see if it meets your standards? Johnleemk | Talk 14:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

You work very hard on Wikipedia. Just thought to let you know your work is really appreciated here. Have an excellent day, and happy Wiki-ing! --216.191.200.1 20:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. - SimonP 22:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Mayors of St. Louis

Thanks for your help categorizing and organizing the Mayors of Saint Louis list. You may have inspired me to write a few more articles on earlier Mayors! TMS63112 21:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, and it would be great to see more such high quality articles. - SimonP 22:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I belive History Eygpt is under your watch.

Hi. If you do not mind, and I give my promise not to delete anything, I want to make a small change in the structure. I'm working on the Ottoman Empire and I would like to integrate this section under the main page. However, The French sub-heading is making it difficult. I would like to upgrade the French one higher level and make it a section of its own. If I do not hear anything from you tomorrow, I will continue with that process. Thanks!--tommiks 21:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, you can be sure I will be on to it. Also, I will correct the timeline problems. --tommiks 22:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

My english is not very very good, there is a difference in Turkish between rise and growth. You can see the same type of difference in math. There is a geometric growth (rise) and aritmetic growth (growth). Official Turkish history is more sensitive, as you can expect. --tommiks 22:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Also from Turkish perspective, Kavalalı Mehmet Ali Paşa, is a Turkish Pasa, who was controlling a vassal state. There were some conflicts between him and Sultan, but Ottomans percieve that period as an Ottoman Period. In this perspective it should not be seperate section. Obviously text is an Western view. I'm sure there will be an Eastern view too. I was just trying to modify it without changing the rethoric, so that I can fit it into a pro-Ottoman rethoric main page. I will give a time, and see if I can come up with better design. --tommiks 22:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Blatant copyright infringements may now be "speedied" If an article and all its revisions are unquestionably copied from the website of a commercial content provider and there is no assertion of permission, ownership or fair use and none seems likely, and the article is less than 48 hours old, it may be speedily deleted. See CSD A8 for full conditions. After notifying the uploading editor by using wording similar to: {{nothanks-sd|pg=page name|url=url of source}} -- ~~~~ Blank the page and replace the text with {{db-copyvio|url=url of source}} to the article in question, leaving the content visible. An administrator will examine the article and decide whether to speedily delete it or not.

Microsoft questions

Hi Simon - thanks for your comments on the Microsoft article. I just had a few questions in regard to the business end and whatnot:

1. I've looked through the investor's annual, proxy and worldwide citizen report but I can't seem to find out how the employees are distributed... any idea where I should start to look for this?
2. If the microsoft is ambigious about what the board of directors does, does that mean I should be ambigious too :)?
3. In terms of better images, do you think maybe product images etc.? Maybe a "blue screen" for the criticism section :)?

Thanks again for your input! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 02:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Úbeda

Please see the discussion I've been having with Philip Baird Shearer at User talk:Curps#Ubeda -- Curps 16:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Merged "Air Blue" with "Airblue"

Salam, Greetings from Pakistan! Thought I should drop you a note, I've merged the newer article with the older one at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airblue Waqas.usman 01:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Good work, thanks. - SimonP 01:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Alamo Heights High School Page changed

Simon, I was wondering why you deleted a large portion of the content off our school's wikipedia page.

Just wondering, cause we put a good deal of effort into putting the info on Wikipedia.

Eastern vs. Central Europe

You may read detailed description about it on Central Europe page. Pavel Vozenilek 02:35, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft updated

Hi Simon, I updated Microsoft with most of your suggestions :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 22:46, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Jewish National Homeland

Hi, I see you have redirected this page to Land of Israel...-but did you read the Talk:Jewish National Homeland before you did? (That discussion is copied from Talk:Balfour Declaration, 1917.) Then you would have seen why I did not redirect it. Could you please answer on Talk:Jewish National Homeland? Thanks. (Actually, I don´t have any very strong feelings about wether it should be redir or not,- -just thought a redir created too many illogical statements.) Regards, Huldra 15:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Usman dan Fodio

A long overdue move. Thanks for making it! --Dvyost 00:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

User talk:84.109.98.72

The link you removed from Stockholm was defect (the last slash made it not work) but not spam; it actually went to a website of a museum in Israel: [1] Tupsharru 21:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Removal of bh.org.il link as spam at Berlin

Hi, please refer to Talk:Berlin#Removal_of_bh.org.il_link_as_spam. --Tickle me 21:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Weston High School, Massachusetts

23:43, 12 October 2005 SimonP deleted "Weston High School, Massachusetts"

SimonP,
Want to bet that this gets restored? (Note: This is in no way a criticism of your speedy, but a commentary on school madness.)
brenneman^(t)(c) 00:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe, but not in its current form. I've already killed one "school article" that was a test. Yes, it is quite the madness - of course I think SimonP is has sort of extreme inclusionist tendencies himself so I don't think you'll get much sympathy here, LOL :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 00:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm just trying to claim another scalp. - brenneman^(t)(c) 03:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

lists of sponsors and speakers

As I mentioned on IRC, we are lucky to have two major universities competing to host what is only our second conference...

There are things that will help make it a great event wherever it is held. Most speakers who could make it to one of these cities could also come to the other. I've started to list a few universal sponsors at m:Talk:Wikimania 2006; this might be the right place to list potential speakers as well. I would be glad to hear your thoughts on these matters, ideas for people to invite, etc.

+sj + 12:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Featured article

I see that Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 1968 is finally a featured article. Congratulations. You put a lot of excellent work into that article. Ground Zero | t 17:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. - SimonP 19:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Re your question on my page

Yes it is; I'm putting it together to orchestrate a prank. It's one of my two nihilartikels. I'll give you a hint on the other one: its title starts with M and has 8 letters, and it's in the application software category.

Zezima article

Please stop deleting the Zezima article; as soon as you do this, it is continually re-created by vandals. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:RM request

Hi, someone requested on WP:RM that Germanistics be renamed and moved to German Language and Literature - you were the only one who commented on the page but your answer was kind of ambigious.... do you think it should be moved? Thanks for your time :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 07:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:CanadaCopyright

Please reply on Template talk:CanadaCopyright. Thanks. Superm401 | Talk 18:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Voter turnout

OK, that interests me FAR more than the military history of Canada. But I have a few articles on my plate, so give me a little while. Tony 14:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC) Click here to leave me a message.

Vovinam

Hi Simon, @ Vovinam you moved the "martial arts project" template to the discussion page. I have placed lots of those templates in other articles. So, if moving one I'd move all of them, depending on your reason. Was there a reason why you moced it ? Thomas 18:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

As I just have seen you allready did that - moved "martialartsproject" to ALL of the talk pages. The article look somewhat cleaner. I like it. Is it common to place this template to talk ? Thomas 18:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Saturday

User:Earl Andrew thinks you're a hero for Ottawa. Anyway, on Saturday we're probably going to have a meetup here in Ottawa, and if you aren't on the email list, I wanted to invite you along. Stop on by the group and check out the calendar for details! --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 03:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I may cancel Sat, I'm not sure yet, but there's a poll up to ask what day of the week is best. So far coming Sat is me, Earl, and one other. I've met Earl before at the first meetup. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

about Category:Ancient Greeks

Hello! I've noticed that you are removing articles from that category ("trying to reduce the size of Category:Ancient Greeks"). I don't have the time to check through your edits, so I just encourage you to check them yourself thoroughly, to be sure that each of those articles are in a category that is a sub-category of Category:Ancient Greeks (if that's the case then the bigger categorization of an article at "Ancient Greeks" might be redundant). Take care. +MATIA ☎ 19:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Elections tables

Simon, I notice that you have been deleting the "%" and "% change" columns from tables on the riding pages. While I would hope that some day someone would populate those columns, I realise that is wishful thinking. I just wanted to let you know that, following your cue, I have changed the table template that I am using to one that does not include these columns. See Russell (Ontario electoral district) for what the future holds. While it would be straightforward to change all of the previous tables I've added so far by changing "Template:Election box begin" to "Template:Election votes only", I'm going to press ahead with my project to add tables to as many defunct ridings as I can before I expire. Regards, Ground Zero | t 14:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• I agree the "LASTNAME, Firstname" is not as good as "Firstname Lastname". The data come in the former format. I tried switching it to the latter, but it was doubling the amount of time I spent on each riding, so I abandoned that for the purpose of getting the data in. Don't worry about editing my hard work. As it says below, "If you don't want your writing to be edited and redistributed by others, please don't submit it." I am happy when you improve on what I've done. Switching the template reduces the work for you and others who want to clean up these tables in the future. I have also been changing "NDP" to "New Democratic Party" because standard style recommends avoiding initialisms unless they are universally understood, or if you define the initialism at the first use. "NDP" won't mean much to a non-Canadian. I'll just keep plugging along from here.... Ground Zero | t 14:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

BCAFL

Thanks for the help with the title page and the categories. It's much appreciated!!

Shenaynay

What is a "shenaynay" ? Jkelly 01:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

No idea, though I hear Canada has a lot of them. - SimonP 01:42, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out. Jkelly 02:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey

For working harder on Wikipedia more than anyone else. Molotov (talk)
16:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Why do you revert this reference?

• Rothbard, Murray N. Economic Thought Before Adam Smith. An Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought. Volume I

Final decision

The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/-Ril- case. →Raul654 02:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Expand tag

Hello, in the future, could you add the {{expansion}} tag to the article page instead of the talk page. Otherwise it is unlikely to be noticed and the talk pages show up in the category and not the articles. Here are the instructions from the category page.

These articles should be marked with {{expansion}} at the top of the article page. Comments on the additions required may be made on their talk pages.

Thanks, -- Kjkolb 18:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

In that case, the instructions should be changed to match. I don't know what the consensus is, but most of the tags appear to have been moved from the articles to the talk pages by you. Perhaps there is a consensus, but nobody else is willing to do the work. The alternate instructions do say to add it to the talk page after all. However, it doesn't make sense to me to add the expand tag to the talk page, as it will probably go unnoticed. If people are bothered by the tag appearing on the article, why not make the tag add the article to the category without the notice? Another option would be to use the light blue color for the notice and have it added to the bottom of the article instead of the top. What do you think? -- Kjkolb 19:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Scarborough Centre image

Hi there! I hope you're well. Thanks for adding an image for this article. One comment, though: the city map appears to be missing Scarborough East in eastern Scarborough. You might want to revise it and or before using the related image template systematically. Thoughts? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony 21:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Great! Forgive me for characterising the riding incorrectly; the map just looked incomplete to me. (By the way: I'm somewhat adept at creating maps, if you need any.) Thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony 21:16, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Oh: a possible solution for including the merged Scarborough/Pickering riding on your map: use a dotted line (instead of blank space now or a solid one) on the eastern border.

As for maps, EAndrew has doen a lot of great work! As well, I might be able to help: I can create or extract maps from official documents (e.g., PDFs, which I can open and modify). That may make things easier. Yes: maps are time-intensive (note this one, for instance, of the Toronto subway system I created and collaborated with others regarding), but the proof is in the pudding. :) Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony 06:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Meetup

There were 3 of us today. I come from the very south end of the city, Earl lives off of Alta Vista, and Mark lives out near centrepointe, so downtown could prove challenging, I'm afraid. However, drop me an email if you have a few ideas for future locations, and I'll certainly consider them as I plan to move it around the city. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 21:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

How would the Royal Oak at the Petoria Bridge, Main St and Colonel By be for you? --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 22:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I've been to it before, there's lots of street parking and limited parking in the back there, so it would be a decent location. I may put the next one there, and then the January one (assuming we go to every 2 months) would probably be somewhere else again. unless everyone loves the location. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 22:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I was disappointed you weren't there, Simon. Hope you can attend the next one :) Yeah, Spinboy likes to hold these things way out in the middle of nowhere. Oh well, the royal oak at the Pretoria Bridge would work well. I might even walk there. (Would be a bit of a walk though) --NDP logo Earl Andrew - talk 23:53, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Expand tag

hey Simon- I was wondering why you moved the expand tag on Contemporary French literature to the talk page? I have to agree with the comments by Kjkolb above: moving the tag to the talk page makes the request for expansion invisible to the casual reader. -- NYArtsnWords 01:39, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

About the revert in References

I owe you an apology, because I confused myself with the title, and I used "References" like "Bibliography". In any case, I strongly recommend the two volumes of the Rothbard's History of Economic Thought and I think that both books are very important for the students interested in mercantilism and the next evolutions of the economic thought. And you're right with the second option: the collection it's unavailable ("When these volumes first appeared, they were celebrated in Barron's and by top scholars around the world [...] Right now, however, you can hardly get them. The shortage began years ago, and now they are only intermittantly available in the used market, at prices that keep rising."), but not anymore thanks to the Mises Institute. And I guess that a large number of people can find useful the austrian analysis of mercantilism. And for that reason I've created a new section in the page for both books (Further Readings).

--Burke 16:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Henry the Navigator

An article that you've edited before (Henry the Navigator) is nominated for Biography Collaboration of the Week. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

PlayerPlaza Chess link

Hi there,

I got your message about the deletion of the PlayerPlaza Chess link in the external link section of the Chess page. I just wanted to plead my case to have the PlayerPlaza Chess link included on the Chess page in the external link section. It is not an advertising effort. I sincerely feel like it should be included. It is no different than having the other Online Chess sites listed in that section. How did those other commercial sites get listed? Please include the site. I went ahead and added the link again, so if you won't allow it please delete it. Please include the link. I would really appreciate it. Thank you for your time.

Felice Beato

Hi, regarding my FAC on Felice Beato, I've rewritten the lead and other sections and I've added some images (thanks for the clarification of copyright!). How does it look to you now? Pinkville 11:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Smallville - About the Category

Hi SimonP, Nice update! But some of the links there are not used anymore. How can I edit the category page? Thanx --Charlie144 15:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for all your work on the 2006 Wikimania Toronto bid

Hi Simon. It was only late last night I found out Boston had won out. Just wanted to express my appreciation to you for all your hard work trying to bring the '06 WM gathering here. Like the Maple Leafs, let our cry be "next year, the Cup!" :) Cheers, Madmagic 09:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyright

Hi, SimonP. I wanted to let you know that almost all of the articles you recently marked for wikification are copyright violations, if the "A" articles are any indication.

• American Institute of Graphic Arts
• Anatoly Marchenko
• Andreas Georgiou
• Andrius Mamontovas
• Anthony Christian
• Anthony J. DiGiorgio
• Ashcombe House
• Ashkan Dejagah
• Ashrafia
• Assyrian Future In Iraq

Thanks, -- Kjkolb 11:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Canadian elections templates

Simon, I like the new templates that you have created for the party colours and names. THe one problem that I have is the use of initialisms for parties. Standard writing style is that you don't use an initialism unless you define, or, if everyone can be expected to understand it already (TV for example). For non-Canadians, NDP will not be readily understood. As well, "New Democratic Party" takes up less space on the line than "Progressive Conservative", so there really isn't any need to shorten it. The Eglinton—Lawrence article, for example, does not explain anywhere what NDP is. For other parties, "Party for the Commonwealth of Canada", it may be necessary to shorten the name for space reasons, but I am sure that we can find a shorter version that does not get us into the "alphabet soup" of political parties. I have been using "Commonwealth" in creating articles for defunct Ontario ridings, but am open to other suggestions. Ground Zero | t 13:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I've switched NDP, one advantage of the new system is that the party names can be changed across all articles by editing a single template. - SimonP 14:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. Do you have a list of the templates you've already created? I'm working on block of 34 defunct ridings (it's faster for me to do a large block over a couple of weeks than to do them individually), so I'd like to start using your templates. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 15:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you have any objection to me adding to the list? Ground Zero | t 15:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Deleting categories

Hello,
Was there any reason why you deleted the categories from the Atlanta Braves article and Category:Atlanta Braves? I am going to restore them unless you had some reason. Have a good one!--CrazyTalk 03:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, you probably know more about the Wikipolicy than me, but you also removed the city category. I am not sure, but it seems to me like if we had to delete either the Category:MLB teams or the team's own category, it would be better to take off the team's own category and leave MLB teams. It would be easy to remove the team's category because that is on a template and can be removed from all of them in one fell swoop. But, I can almost give you 10:1 odds that somebody will re-add whatever category is removed. Let me know what you think......--CrazyTalk 03:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Bounty Board

Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Wikipedia:Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 13:38, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

x (math) -> x (mathematics) redirects

Sorry to bother You (it's a long time). I'm rather new on English wiki, active on Polish one, so I don't know the en: policies. I found an inconseqence in redirects:

We've got:

matrix (math) -> matrix (mathematics)

expression (math) -> expression (mathematics)

base (math) -> base (mathematics)

but we don't have:

degree (math) -> degree (mathematics)

cycle (math) -> cycle (mathematics)

identity (math) -> identity (mathematics)

radical (math) -> radical (mathematics)

I think that matrix, expression, base (the last of which I marked {d}) redirects should be deleted. If they stay, then we should create degree (math)/cycle etc. Also, I think that there should be degree (maths) in that case. I just looked into several articles, there are surely many more articles x (math) -> x (mathematics) to delete. (Or: many articles x (math) to create) Could You do anything? --Googlpl 21:41, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Brandt

Since it was unprotected thepage has been blanked 5 times in an hour. Brandt has askedon his wikipedia watch site "Who will rid me of this meddlesome article?" [2].

As a result, he and his freinds are vandalising it systematically. What to do?

Azat party

Hi, I've bolded the title - otherwise I'm not sure what wikifying you're suggesting. Dlyons493 Talk 17:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

OK - see what you're saying and it makes sense. I only created this article to give a bit of background to another article mentioning the party's flag. It was very difficult to find even that amount of online material, so I'm certainly not the person to expand as you suggest. By all means replace the wikify tag. Would it be worth adding this conversation to its talk page (must admit I didn't think to read that)? Dlyons493 Talk 17:20, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

217.40.187.149

I saw your comments in User_talk:217.40.187.149 and the user is still spamming articles with exteral links to what I assume is his site. What is the correct course of action to get him blocked. I'm a bit new to Wikipedia procedural stuff. --waffle iron 17:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Removal of link from Zimbabwe article

Hi Simon. Can you tell me what criteria you used to determine that the openDemocracy link in the Zimbabwe article is spam? There's advertising on the page, yes, but people need to pay their hosting bills somehow and the site clearly deals with the issue of Zimbabwe. --Craig (t|c) 23:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

... and also this openDemocracy link, which is an insightful article by a well known academic, from Iran and weapons of mass destruction. Looking at your contribs it looks like you've removed openDemocracy articles from many articles. Please do explain. -- Rwendland 01:11, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

.... but having now looked at User talk:217.40.187.149's contributions, I do see why - sorry! Just that the extlink he added to Iran and weapons of mass destruction was pretty good. But I won't re-instate it, as I don't want to encourage self-publicity. -- Rwendland 01:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I too see now. The Zimbabwe article does not suffer with the removal of the link, so I'm not going to encourage the spammer by putting it back. Thanks Simon. --Craig (t|c) 04:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Why 29A article is deleted?

Hello SimonP,

I was looking for Wikipedia article on 29A (Czech virus writing team), but found out that you have deleted this article. Do you have any reason for doing it? Is this covered in some other article? If the, shouldn't we make a redirection from 29A to that article?

11/04/2005 Yaz (Tuomas Kaikkonen)

Wikimania chat tonight

Hello SimonP, I hope you can join us for the open Wikimania chat tonight. I appreciated all of your work and comments during the bidding phase (and was looking forward to visiting Toronto, when I was sure your bid would win :); and think everyone would benefit from your ideas. Cheers, +sj + 19:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Red screen of death/Blue screen of death

Hello. The merge of articles is disputed. I much appreciate your opnion, thanks. --Mateusc 02:09, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Demographics

I noticed you have added to the demographics section of the electoral districts project. Since Mindmatrix, Luigizanasi, you, and myself seem to be the only ones interested in this section, I proposed to Mindmatrix, and now you, that we each try to design a prototype section. Links to StatsCan electoral district profiles are on the page. If you don't want to mess around with code, then just a sketch of how you see the data, tables and graphs (infobox?) being laid out will be fine. Since the articles will focus much more on election results, this demographic section is just really just a sidenote to help put the results in context but it has the possibility of consuming a lot of room. So at this point I'm interested in seeing how this section will be laid out. At the sametime we can see what data is realistic to include and what is just too burdensome. How does this sound? --maclean25 06:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Chris Buors

Simon,

If you get a chance, could you took at the discussion at Talk:Chris Buors? CJCurrie 20:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The uncategorized template

Hello, SimonP. I can see above that someone has mentioned this to you before, so I'll be brief. As you know, the {{uncategorized}} template is a cleanup template; and at Wikipedia:Cleanup templates, it says "The following tags should be added to the articles needing cleanup, not to their talk pages." Plus, templates intended for talk pages are usually in a different style (that brownish color, like at Wikipedia:Template messages/Talk namespace). Just thought I'd mention it. HollyAm 21:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough; carry on :-) HollyAm 21:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

your removal of the entry "AIM Software"

Saimon, just wanted ask you why you did remove the entry "AIM Software" due to copyright suspicion. The entry "AIM Software" is a company description. Our company, AIM (Advanced Information Management) Software, was founded in 1998 and we are engaged in software developing for reference data and risk management. We are the author of all external documents we posted on the "AIM Software" page. Please revoke your removal of the page "AIM Software". Thank you AIM Software

Geographical bias - improved?

Hi

Re: the tables here about Rwanda, Belgium etc.

The situation seems to have improved since then, though this might be an artefact of changes to search engines. Is there a way of seeing these ratios over time? Say, from 2 years ago, in monthly increments? I don't know how to search old versions of Wikipedia - or if it's even possible.

See also here

- Xed 19:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Atilla Altžkat

Hi, "Atilla Altıkat" was a Turkish person, however the title "Atilla Altžkat" consists of a letter "ž", which is not of Turkish language. That was the reason for moving the article to the title "Atilla Altıkat". Is it possible to change the title by preserving its history? CeeGee 12:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I have done so. - SimonP 14:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks so much. CeeGee 15:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veterans of the First World War who died in 2004

Could you give more details about your vote to keep it? I am so intrigued, that I might change my vote. Renata3 15:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I've expanded upon my comments at the AfD debate. - SimonP 15:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Simon,

I just wanted to check with you if you had ever received the release form for our interview. We are hoping to be able to use it, but if you have changed your mind, please let me know also. If you never received it or have misplaced it, again please email me and I will send it again.

Hope all is well.

Take care, Ken

kalbers @ gmu dot edu

PWDS response

Thanks for your input on the pure wiki deletion system. In response to the objection raised by you and many others, the proposal has been modified to say that contested PWDS blankings should go to AfD. Does this address your concern any? rspeer 19:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Alanis Morissette

Hi SimonP. Regarding the article on Alanis Morissette - please don't remove the {{unreferenced}} tag. I didn't put the thing there in the first place, but I agree that the article doesn't cite its sources. The page has a bunch of external links, but they don't include a lot of the information in the article. Thanks. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Left Behind

I was going to come back and add to these articles... and considering that half of them made the NY Times bestseller list individually it would be worth it to have articles on each of these books. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci paintings

This may seem like a niggling, pedantic point, but might the category 'Leonardo da Vinci paintings' be better named 'Leonardo da Vinci artworks' because The Virgin and Child with St. Anne and St. John the Baptist is a cartoon? Sorry to be a bother. – Ham 17:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Changes to April 2004 articles

Hi Simon. Please note that the day articles April 1, 2004 etc. are transcluded into April 2004 - and your changes make that page look very peculiar. I think we had better go with something in between what you did and I what I did - unfortunately I have to go off line right now so can't make the change myself - will do tomorrow if you don't get there first. Thanks, Pcb21 Pete 23:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC).

Ah, ok thanks. That makes me realise that if we do transclude, we need some way of signalling that fact on the transcluded page (an HTML comment I guess). However I like what you have done with the April 2004 and so transclusion may not be necessary. Two points

1. The reason I kept the transclusion was that some users requested it - I think this was more fear of change than any particularly solid reason about the wiki getting worse!
2. It is not clear enough from your April 2004 page that the day pages exist (they are linked just from the calendar?) What is the best way to make the links more explicit? Change the links on the LHS from April 1 style to April 1, 2004-style? What do you think? Pcb21 Pete 09:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Alleged relics of Jesus

Hi. You took part in the discussion over the renaming of this category when I nominated it for renaming on 14th September. I think that everyone agreed that it needed to be renamed, although there wasn't any agreement over what to rename it to. I've nominated it again and I'd be grateful if you could consider my new proposal to rename it Relics attributed to Jesus. Thanks! --G Rutter 09:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy (navigation) RfC

We have a content dispute issue. Please comment on the talk page. This message is being sent out to everyone who didn't vote Delete in the last TfD of the template, ie: User:SimonP User:Jules.lt User:Pjacobi User:thames User:Michael User:Christopherparham User:FranksValli User:Silence User:Andymussell User:Moosh88 User:Rick Norwood User:Izehar

Re:{{unreferenced}}

Tnx for pointing me to the talk page of this template. If external links are in fact references, they should be labeled them as such, as they are not the same thing. I have been following the (Wikipedia:Cite_sources#External_links.2FFurther_reading which states clearly that ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed after the references section, and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader, but which have not been used as sources for the article. Thus I concluded that if article has only elinks or further reading, it has no references, and this template should be added (it is a much clear case then larger and uglier copyedit templates, IMHO). In addition, one of the most common critique of Wiki is that our articles have no references - I hope that this template will make our contributors realize what is missing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

More power to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check and Wikipedia:Forum for Encyclopedic Standards projects, then :) I have started adding this template to articles about a week ago, and so far it has resulted in several reference additions - so I think it is working. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

As I don't want to start a revert war, can you revert yourself (i.e. your removal of unreferenced tags)? Or provide a rationale why do you think those tags don't belong them (when we leave such an ambigious monstrosity as {{copyedit}} lying around?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 05:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I hope that adding it to fairly popular articles will have better result. What do we have to lose, anyway? Check my userpage for a nifty text to put in the summary box :)--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 05:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

The day we start hiding our weaknesses, this project will die. The world already knows one of major weaknesses is lack of references. This tag shows everybody we acknowledge this weakness, can spot articles that need improvement in that regard, and last but not least, notifies original contributors (who likely watch this page) that there is a problem with their article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

TV Program lists

Would you consider it a WP:POINT issue if I were to look up all those lists and nominate them, then? I wasn't aware it's "standard practice" to have such lists, but it's a practice I'm wholly opposed to. The Literate Engineer 05:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Test case, huh? I think I like that idea. I guess this illustrates a downside to nominating things I ended up at through the "random article" link. The Literate Engineer 05:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, that's a disheartening rejection. The Literate Engineer 17:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fred_Bauder#complete_failure_of_wikipedia_NPOV_policy

Steven Harper

That's funny, I changed "misuse" to "dreadful lack of oversight" because I thought "misuse" is definately POV and I thought I would be accused of POV if I changed it to simply "lack of oversight". The Auditor General said: "I think this is such a blatant misuse of public funds that it is shocking. I am actually appalled by what we've found. I am deeply disturbed that such practices were allowed to happen in the first place. I don't think anybody can take this lightly." Which I think is a little more than simply "lack of oversight". I'll leave it up to you (or others) to decide exactly what to say, but "misuse" implies intentions on the part of the party, which I think has been shown to be clearly POV.Flying fish 20:43, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Important AfD

Hi. If you have time please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. I'm a bit worried that the main protagonist for the keep side is threatening to reverse the long-established consensus against creating historical categorization schemes on Wikipedia based on editors' original research. If you are interested, arguments against generating such a list have been stated and restated over the course of several years at Talk:List of dictators. Thanks. 172 21:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Railway stations in the United Kingdom

I have proposed a reform of this category that you might be interested in commenting on. See Category talk:Railway stations in the United Kingdom for details. Thryduulf 02:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Please read

[3] BrandonYusufToropov 14:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Please read the Wikipedia guidelines - your message and claims make no sense.

My to do list

Thanks for leaving the message. I was going around fixing some of the short-cuts I kept finding in Canadian politics articles because of my worry that somebody would turn those short-cut pages into dismbig pages referring to articles about other orgs with the same initialisms. Then I moved on to other things. I am, by the way, a big, big fan of your riding maps, and of the fact that you do former boundaries and not just curent ones. Keep up the great work. Ground Zero | t 18:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced

Instead of reverting all of my changes, how about discussing it first? — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 15:41

• Those template "Guidelines" are just one person's opinion about where the template belongs, they are not Wikipedia policy. I've never seen this template used at the bottom of a page, or on a talk page. I've only seen it used at the top of an article page. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 15:57
  • See Template_talk:Unreferenced#Usage_revisited, and also note that "discussion" does not imply "consensus". You will have to cite specifically where consensus lead to the guidelines that {{unsourced}} must be on the talk page. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:04
  • Also, I wish you would stop reverting my changes while we are having this discussion. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:05
  • It makes no sense to require readers to check the talk page for this template before knowing whether the information can be trusted. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:09
    • From that template's talk page, I don't know how you got the impression that the template should be on talk pages. It looks very different to me. Consensus is not for either way, so you are essentially just overruling my choice in the matter. How about finding other articles that need sources, and placing the template wherever you want, rather than wasting edits on the same articles. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:13
      • Those 2 templates you cite link to the same template. I think they can be interchangably used with {{unsourced}}, since they essentially say the same thing. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:17
        • I'm not saying the article shouldn't be trusted, or that the content is useless. Stop redefining my opinion. I am simply acknowledging the little-enforced policy of WP:CITE, and acknowledging that people may find our content questionable without sources. We are not in the business of doing original research, so we should not make it appear that we are. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:40
          • Yes, I did not specifically say that I didn't think the content could be trusted. I was simply supposing what a reader is likely to think. Since this is one of the most common objections to Wikipedia (that the content can't be trusted), my supposition has at least some foundation in reality. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:45
        • Also not that there has been discussion about having NullC create a bot to place this template on the rest of Wikipedia's articles which do not have external links or anything resembling a source. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:42
          • I wasn't talking about that discussion. That proposal is much more severe than simply placing {{unsourced}} on page. Also, it has not been "thoroughly shot down". I've gotten support from members of Arbcom and Wikimedia about this, regardless of whether they have bothered to get involved with the usual people who frequent the mailing lists. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:49
          • Yes, and on the chance that a bot is accepted, a human doing the same would also be alright. And so, we have shown that there is no point in supposing about future events. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 16:57

I don't think it's really resistance, so much as quick reaction by people on RC Patrol. In any case I've already discussed this enough that I am comfortable going on with it, regardless of the number of people who resist it (though I am not disregarding their comments, I am disregarding their number. People are more likely to oppose something if they see others opposing it as well).. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 17:06

• I really wish you would stop wasting your time moving my changes to the talk page. If you are interested in marking unsourced articles, that would be a better use of your time than to get picky about a template's position. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 17:09
• Consensus is built through discussion, not through numbers or simple suppositions. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 17:14
• Considering that I only planned on going through the first 1000 most-linked articles looking for unsourced ones, and I am basically finished, I don't think you will see me adding it to more articles. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 17:16