Talk:Sicarii
It may appear the Islamic Assissins, Nizari Ismaelis, derive their lineage to the Sicarii.
Requires Islam to be devolved from the Essenes (perhaps the real mainstream of Messianic Judaism of 100 B.C.E - 74 C.E. and not that portrayed in the Temple at Jerusalem at the time - that portrayed at Q'umran).
Want a bio of Muhammad prior to his visions. What was the religion of his family and forebears? As far back as possible. There appears to be nothing. A notation in one book simply says he was a Jew. For that to have been true he would have to have been religiously descended from Jews fleeing from Q'umran or other settlements like it. Perhaps even an Essene (say mainstream Judaism of the 1st century C.E.) camp in Arabia. Mecca?
Anybody know? Have heard? References appreciated. --216.79.207.24 13:50, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)Cyphre 08/22/2004
- Are all assassins culturally related, in the teachings, o master? Wetman 19:32, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
perhaps so.
Small Inaccuracy
Hi, I detect one rather minor inaccuracy in the article.
At one point the article states: "Like the Masada dead-enders, the Assassins built mountain fortresses in desolate areas to defend themselves against military enemies."
This isn't quite right ... the Sicarri didn't actually build Masada, they seized it when they were driven from Jerusalem by an opposing Zealot faction. Masada was actually built by Herod, and as far as I know, it was the only 'mountain stronghold' occupied by the Sicarii.
What exactly does Eisenmann say about Judas?
This statement is a run-on sentence. Can someone familiar with the Eisenman material clarify it?
- Though when the Gospels are translated into modern Hebrew, Judas is rendered as "Ish-Kerayot," making him a man from the townships, Robert Eisenman presents the general view of secular historians (Eisenman p 179) in identifying "'Judas the Sicarios".
- I made a few changes to the paragraph to try to make it more readable. Let me know if it makes sense to you. mennonot 00:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
It's much more clear now. Thanks! --Shunpiker 06:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)