User talk:Renamed user ixgysjijel/history archive

I really dislike breaking up conversations. If I have started a conversation on your talk page, feel free to respond there. If you leave a message for me here, I will respond here. I periodically clean out my watchlist, so if there has been a lull in a conversation on your page, please restart it here.

Thank you!

Thank you very much for your support during my recent Admin election, I appreciate the trust that you have put in me. Please contact me if you have any questions, comments or concerns regarding my work as an admin.

Kind Regards, Elf-friend 09:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Glitch

Your a moderator, right? I don't know what section a glitch oul go under in help, so could you tell me? The problem is when I'm logged in, on the upper maragine (correct me if I misspelled that, it looks like butters sister) where it has "My Talk My Prefrences etc., etc." Well when I move my mouse on it, it shifts left far enough that "My Talk" is under the Wikipedia main page link. That would cause problems. --Calvinsupergenius 16:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I just found out somethong else!! The glitch starts when I go from Wikipedia to the Commons and back!! Go ahead and try it and tell me if the same thing happens to you!!--Calvinsupergenius 18:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, nothing like what you described happened to me when I tried. I would describe your problem at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and see if anyone has any ideas. Please be sure to specify what operating system and browser you are using, and if you are using an alternate skin. Cheers, BanyanTree 22:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, BanyanTree.--Calvinsupergenius 13:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Dead End

I can't seem to understand the rules to the dead end game at the sandbox. Could you help? Gadfium also seems to be ignoring me when I asked him how to put a word document or at least a link to one.--Calvinsupergenius 16:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I have not ever been involved in the sandbox games and cannot help you. - BanyanTree 17:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

username...

Hello again. Regarding your username, the possible origin just occured to me. I'm guessing you are familiar with the song "Aja" by Steely Dan? — Mar. 2, '06 [19:55] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Hi freakofnur_xture - That's pretty funny. Sorry, but I wasn't familiar with the lyrics until I googled them just now. When I created the username I was actually thinking of how in some Pacific islands banyans are the trees that the spirits of the dead congregate under, though I later found out that banyans are another name for strangler figs (which are cool) and include the Bodhi tree under which the Buddha gained enlightenment. There's a personal connection I won't go into, but I'm thoroughly happy with my username even if the references are a bit obscure. You're the first person to actually bring up what it might mean. Thanks! - BanyanTree 00:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Surprising. I was listening to the album prior to making that comment and had a fit of déjà vu, whereupon I perused the history of my talk page to see if I wasn't completely insane. You should listen to it some time. — Mar. 4, '06 [08:40] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Hey!

do you play go at all? --Calvinsupergenius 18:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried putting a go board template on mt page, but I tried playing with Hobbes321, but it got really messed up. Look what happened before I delete it! --Calvinsupergenius 20:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Rwandan Defence Forces

With reference to our earlier discussion, I did eventually find information on the Rwandan Patriotic Army having changed their names to the Rwandan Defence Forces, so I've gone ahead and updated the references. --Saforrest 04:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping me a line to let me know. Cheers, BanyanTree 04:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Ouaddai or Wadai?

It's a difficult question, but all in all I'd keep it as it is; Ouaddaï is the official Chadian name of the territory, and I think that in Arabic and the local language it is written in the same way. The difference probably come from the transliteration from the Arabic to the Latin script, a common difficulty with many Chadian names; for example, for another Chadian kingdom you can write Baguirmi, but also Bagirmi. Hope this helps. Ciao :-) Aldux 16:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Recreates

I saw you answer at the pump and placed {{Deleted}} on the article but did not protect yet. It has been created by multiple authors and an ip. Maybe the deleted page template will discourage them. I will watch it as much as possible. Thank you for your help.--Dakota ~ ° 18:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope it works. Cheers, BanyanTree 18:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

note

Thanks for your support (Dragon Fire) - Dragon fire 20:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Section header and formatting tweaks above by BT.

Not at all. Don't hesitate to drop by if you have any questions. Cheers, BanyanTree 20:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Niger Delta Conflict

greetings once again BanyanTree, i just discovered the existence of this article and i am considering moving the information about the Ogoni conflicts, the Warri and Port Harcourt situations with the Ijaw and Itsekiri (except the page would need to be renamed to Niger Delta Conflicts). however, i also think it would be difficult to separate the conflict info from the subsequent dialogue about corporate responsibility and rights abuses. if i transfer the conflict information all to that page, everything might have to go to that page. it's a dilemma because of such close linkage between oil and conflict. transferring the whole page except for production and reserve info may be the most sensible option,and then simply make clear that the unrest in the region is primarily caused by desire to control the oil sector. let me know what you think, i will likely drop Wizzy a line also. thanks.

Also I recently saw the the movie Invisible Children for the second time last night, which documents the situation with the LRA and i would really suggest that you check it out. They're running a pretty large scale campaign in the US, info's available at their website. thanks again.--gozar 01:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Gozar, I've gone over the two pages and I think we have a similar view of the options. The latter (a bigger move rather than smaller) seems to make more sense, though I wonder if it is possible to use/divide the corporate/rights sections as background to both, or if that would simply dilute the information. Another option that hasn't been mentioned is simply making Niger Delta Conflict a redirect to Petroleum in Nigeria. This is less intuitive to readers, but given the effort you have put into making the petroleum article a coherent whole, I would imagine jumping into a complicated split isn't be the most enjoyable thing imaginable. Sorry not to have come up with an imaginative way to solve it.

As for Invisible Children, I had missed it when it was in town, but will try to catch it next time around. Regards, BanyanTree 04:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Date formats

Hello,

Thank you for the heads-up on the date formats. I'm still fairly new to Wikipedia, and I learn something new about it every day. I did wonder why the date formats were sometimes different in edit mode from what they appear in regular mode - now I know. Thanks, again.

Be healthy,

Michael David 23:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice

Nice job on Union of Congolese Patriots, I'm not sure I'd even call that a stub anymore. --W(t) 15:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I tend to be really conservative about the line between article and stub, but would be happy to concede if others wish to remove the stub tag. Cheers, BanyanTree 15:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Help

where can I go to find out how to make my signature have colors? --Calvinsupergenius 18:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Chad

I wanted to ask if you could temporarily put a partial block to Chad. The article is being constantly vandalised by anon. editor/editors and a partial block would stop him/them, while letting registerd contributors continue to edit.--Aldux 18:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy is quite clear that we cannot semiprotect articles for run-of-the-mill vandalism. See the history of Africa for a much more extreme case. I have temporarily blocked the most recent vandal to Chad, as s/he has already been warned multiple times, but normally we just revert and warn using the {{test}} series and then post vandal runs on WP:AIV. Let me know if I've been unclear on any of this. Cheers, BanyanTree 19:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing things and blocking the vandal. I must confess I hadn't red the article on semi-protection policy. Bye :-) --Aldux 19:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Rwanda photos?

Hi - you probably missed my reply to your message on my talk page as I left it a bit long. Was just interested what kind of photos or other material available on hand you might want to improve the genocide page? — SteveRwanda 15:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Steve. Thanks for getting back to me. Yeah, apparently I was a overzealous in cleaning out my watchlist and missed your response. I was just thinking about how useful photos of places would be especially for Kigali, and then went and saw that you had added a bunch. They're fantastic as even the photos of Rwanda that you get from the US gov or at Flickr through usable licenses tend to focus something, like small children, that reduces its utility in describing a place. If I was making a wishlist for Rwandan Genocide, besides those obvious ones from memorials, I would want several of Butare including for the National Museum to illustrate Rosalie Gicanda and Butare, one of the shores of Lake Kivu or the Ruzizi River for all the bodies thrown in, the borders of Gisenyi and Cyangugu for Great Lakes refugee crisis and the bridge at Rusumo. Pictures of the densely inhabited terraced hillsides to illustrate high density of an agricultural population.

I actually took a couple of these photos - the National Museum, Kivu from the campsite between Butare and Cyangugu and genocidaires in their pink uniforms walking along the beach at Gisenyi - but they are all on film in storage very far away. I've been kicking myself for not keeping them close. In any case, thanks for checking back in with me and please keep posting pictures of locations! Cheers, BanyanTree 19:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've uploaded a few more of my photos to Commons... there's a brand new article for Rusumo Falls, with two pictures (and I managed to get it in today's 'Did you know?' section of the Main Page!) plus a picture of the exterior of the national museum (see Butare) and a view along the beach in Gisenyi (no pink prisoners visible though, I'm afraid). I've added a picture to Ruzizi River, taken on the Burundi side near Lake Tanganyika. I'm considering moving the article to 'Rusizi River' as that's the name used by everyone round here and in Burundi - not sure where the z version came from. Any ideas?

I'm probably going to Butare in a couple of weeks so can try to get some pics of actual artefacts in the museum... my recollection, though, is that it has very little material from the genocide or post-1994: it deals mostly with earlier history and is all in French. If you have any other Butare requests, let me know. Cheers — SteveRwanda 09:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

You are a veritable saint among Wikipedians.

I've already added a pic of Rusumo bridge (are there still loads of grim looking soldiers in camouflage tents around the hills?) to the Great Lakes refugee crisis article. I'll try to look through your other pics and see if there are some places that they can help. As for "Rusizi", we normally go after the most common usage in the English population, which I'm pretty sure is "Ruzizi". Occasionally a Ukrainian will try to move Kiev to Kyiv or an Ethiopian will move Addis Ababa to Addis Abeba because it's the most accurate transliteration and it always gets dragged back to the popular but incorrect spelling. Try a Google test and see if a high enough proportion to back up the spelling (50+% is best or maybe 40% and some ironclad credible sources to back up the spelling). In any case, congrats on DYK and keep up the good work. See you around, BanyanTree 13:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

rwandan genocide edit

thanks for the input, BanyanTree. i cited the mamdani book "when victims become killers" and the uncited text is my own work. i also added a couple of references to the list. is that good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelmabell (talk • contribs)

Hi Thelmabell, Thanks for following up on my note. I just bought the Mamdani book myself and will start whenever I get a free chunk of time. I do have a question though. When you say your "own work" do you mean your own words of something that someone else has researched or concluded, or do you mean your own research. If the second, please read WP:NOR for the policy on original research and remove the relevant bits. You would not believe the number of people with alternative theories about the nature of gravity (for example) who show up on Wikipedia and try to change the article and need to be rebuffed with this policy. Let me know if you have questions on this. Regards, BanyanTree 05:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome

sure I enjoy wikipedia, but I contribute especially in the french one : here, I would like help a while in the links, references or something easy in english. à bientot --Ayanoa 19:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

You are wrong

You are wrong in my opposition to Joturner's RfA. I do NOT oppose him because he believes something I do not, as you incorrectly stated, I oppose him because of the fear I have that, based on his zealous userpage regarding his religion, that he will NOT be able to maintain a NPOV. I am Catholic, pretty devout, and I would oppose a fellow Catholic if he/she too was overzealous in their POV. That said, I have the RIGHT as a sentinent life form to have my own opinion and that is something that the liberal left and the conservative right can NEVER take away from me, so don't even try. TruthCrusader 14:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

At least you live up to the "Crusader" part of your name. - BanyanTree 14:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Uganda

Hey BanyanTree... I am assuming good faith here, so I apologize if my actions are influenced emotionally - yet I added the admin divisions section because it is separate from Geography, and the info was missing (or old/incorrect) on a lot of sites (African or otherwise). I work with this stuff every day and volunteer for the UN, so I'm not trying to 'label' anyone either, but I don't appreciate when others remove/revert my work - as well as when they would not appreciate the same either.

Just because Ezeu is an established editor doesn't necessarily mean that his word is final. Wikipedia is built around a community that contributes, correct? So if someone feels that it "wasn't needed" aren't you supposed to discuss/contact the contributor? I don't think it is too much to ask, and administrative divisions are separate from Geography (or Politics). I did the same for many other pages, and don't have any trouble. Rarelibra 16:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rarelibra, Thanks for getting back to me and for your contributions. For what it is worth, I would probably keep the administrative subregions under a separate section as well, though there an argument can be made that political geography is under geography and administrative subregions fall under national political geography. If your rationale was that an administrative divisions section was needed to stay consistent with other articles, then you should have stated that rather than what you did in your edit summary.

I did not mean to imply that Ezeu's word was final. By "established" I mean "an editor recognized by other Wikipedians active in Uganda pages and who is trusted enough that they don't usually double check his edits". By throwing "vandal" at such a user, you hurt your own credibility with the users watching from the sidelines.

While there is a body of opinion on Wikipedia that every big change needs to be discussed beforehand, I am a big believer that WP:BOLD means that, in the absence of clear resistance and as long as you have a clear justification in your own mind, the best course of action is to simply go ahead. If someone objects, they'll either revert or bring it up on the talk, in which case you just negotiate a compromise or one side realizes that other has a good point and lets it go. Reverting a reformat with a "rev. VANDALISM" edit summary just raises the tension around the article unnecessarily. And, frankly, there aren't enough editors active in Africa topics that we can afford to increase the rate of burnout. Regards, BanyanTree 16:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm finally getting around to things again, so I apologize for the delay in response. I guess I reacted as users have to my edits - in cases where I have changed something and been quickly labeled a "vandal" - even when it wasn't vandalism! And while I am not an "established" (per se) editor on certain topics, I think that I do have some things to contribute, at least geographically. I don't want to get into qualifications, but geography and mapping are my life. In cases where I have been flat out wrong - I have appreciated the learning experience. But in some cases, sometimes users think they 'own' the topic or page because they are very much involved in the contributions. However, aside from ruthless vandalism, there is a lot to offer from a lot of sources.

That said, the separation of administrative geography from political or physical geography is important, especially in cases with countries that have unique and separate definition or division for political means as opposed to administrative means. And yes, I am trying to set a standard of sorts. So I appreciate the discussion! Thanks Rarelibra 14:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rarelibra, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this, and your expertise on the wiki. As I noted above, you have been making good edits and I look forward to seeing you around. Regards, BanyanTree 14:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Uganda National Rescue Front

With a comment like the one you made adding it to WP:CSB, I felt obligated to write it... :-) GRuban 17:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

HA! After over a year of telling myself I'd get around to it, you go and put up an article up in less than 24 hours. You are indeed most powerful. - BanyanTree 17:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

It's short, but I hoped you'd like it. The hard part was distinguishing between the UNRF and the UNRF2, many references were vague about the difference. To be on the safe side, I decided to make one article for the two. Side note, between Amin and the career of Moses Ali, Ugandan politics seem like a comedy of the absurd, except for the blood. GRuban 17:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

You obviously have a different perception of "short" than I do. Maybe I'll get around to an article on Ali at some point. Back in the day, I was in a couple meetings with him in the room and it's hard to believe that someone who moves so ponderously was once the head of major rebel group. I never did figure out all his titles. "Theatre of the absurd" describes much of African politics, the recent to-do with Charles Taylor being the latest case in point. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. - BanyanTree 17:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Kop ango?

Ndugu, asante sana for arguing on my behalf.--Ezeu 18:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. You've earned it. - BanyanTree 19:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA Results and Thanks

Renamed user ixgysjijel/history archive, thank you for supporting me in my recent RfA. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared (final: 65/29/7), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. If and when that day comes, I hope you will once again support me. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to do so. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on the most righteous path.

--- joturner 02:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joturner, thanks for your note. While I voted in support mainly to counter what I felt were incredibly unwiki rationales for opposition, I look forward to seeing you return to RFA with a bit more experience under your belt. Note: I have removed the image the above text was placed with per my stated grumpiness. No disrepect is meant and I hope none is taken. Regards, BanyanTree 02:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey BanyanTree

for the Tomahawk reverse-engineering i have put an external link so dont worry about it...thanks Tere naam 03:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tere naam, thanks for getting back to me about Babur missile. See you around, BanyanTree 03:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks its just im new so..anyway i hope u look over the article again and maybe check the external link i put in it..thanks Tere naam 03:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support vote on my RFA. The final result was a successful request based on 111 support and 1 oppose. --CBDunkerson 20:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

ha!

I wonder what he could be tallking about... :P Thanks for the congrats message on my talk page BanyanTree! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

IP block

I unblocked the IP 198.20.32.254. This IP is a shared address of the Thames Valley District School Board and is shared by over 50 separate and distinct schools, and literally tens of thousands of students. Although the vandalism that eminates from this IP is surely aggrevating, please keep blocks on the shorter side of things. I believe the recommendation found here at [1] are for 15 minutes or less. Short blocks will discourage the immediate vandalism, and most students don't have time or access to computers for extended periods of time. I mean absolutly no disrespect in regard to your efforts in blocking vandalism, but only ask that you consider the benificial users affected by longer blocks, such as the one you placed on this IP address, which was for a one week duration. Thanks in advance for your consideration. Best regards, Hamster Sandwich 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Replied (unusually) at User talk:Hamster Sandwich#removing the block. - BanyanTree 17:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response! I do understand your argument and sympathize with the underlying frustration I sense in your post, but unfortunatly when this IP is blocked, it blocks everybody, including users signed in with proper user accounts (like me!). It just means we have to work harder (or just more often) in reverting vandalism. It's the kind of glitch that the devs should be working to fix. I have just undertaken to mentor an editor, so it is vital that I am able to communicate with him and other intersted parties. It would be a shame to keep these other editors hanging simply because some idiot-child decides to write about how cool they are, or even worse the kind of racist garbage that was posted to David Suzuki yesterday. Believe me when I tell you, thats the kind of vandalism where I LOVE to block indefinately. Its going to try your patience, but please consider the points I'm trying to make. I ask you, in the event that you must block, shorter, rather than longer. I just had the thought to post to Jimbo's page to let him know that this type of problem is a very real and serious one, and that he should start kicking some developer ass to find a solution. :-) Keep up the good work BanyanTree! Best regards, Hamster Sandwich 17:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for getting back to me. I had missed in your previous post that you were affected by the block. I, of course, do not have a problem with you unblocking your own IP. I would be interested to know if any contributors have emailed regarding blocks on that IP.

It looks like the "IP only block" has been suggested at Bugzilla, but is stalled. The current proposal appears to be to be to allow all accounts that have an "autoconfirm" flag (four days old at this point) to edit through the block. We can only hope that it gets out shortly in a MediaWiki upgrade. - BanyanTree 18:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the support

Hi BanyanTree- thanks a lot for your support on my recent, (barely) successful rfa. Please feel free to leave me any comments or criticisms on my talk page! Hope you're having fun out playing. --He:ah? 22:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk Ex-Yugoslavia

Talk:Kosovo#2 Administrator for Ex-Yugoslavien articels in Wikipedia- The voice of Kosovar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.183.73.212 (talk)

Non-free images

Hey BT, good to hear from you! Yeah, probably better just delete that night commuters thing as we already have a PD USAID one. You've reminded me I really should start editing something other than New anti-Semitism, which is currently bogged down in the most intractible bitter feuding I've ever seen (see Talk:New anti-Semitism). Perhaps I should "come back" to East Africa! TreveX^talk 12:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi TreveX, I think you should come back. It's better... much better... over here where we would be happy to get enough editors together to have an argument. I went ahead and handled the LRA image. Hopefully see you around, BanyanTree 14:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Current Template

I see what you're saying and agree, I was looking at from the point of view that the current events section of wikipedia listed those two sections as "current events" but only some of the current events had that template so I thought I would add to every conflict in the current events section. With what you're saying I would almost go on to say to remove the Ituri conflict and Lord's Resistance Army from that section of current events because like you said those articles haven't been updated in months and there really isn't any pressing news about them compared to Iraq War or Darfur Conflict. I have no problems with your removal of the templates and thank you for notifying me and I'll start a consensus on the current section to remove those two conflicts from current events section. Thanks - Patman2648 02:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That's not precisely what I was getting at. "Current events" is used in two different ways on Wikipedia. One is in the conventional sense of "something that is happening now", in which case both the LRA and Ituri conflicts are definitely current events. The other meaning is code for "article whose exposure has just rocketed and may have become unstable as a result" and this is how {{current}} is used. I also would not make the statement about no pressing news. I follow news about the LRA and Ituri rather closely and there have been a number of significant developments, I'm just normally the only one who bothers to update them and I've been lazy recently. It should be noted that Darfur conflict is in its typical state of stagnation as well. I would think removing any of these from the current events section would be counterproductive if we're trying to attract attention to some significant, but underserved, articles. - BanyanTree 02:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

On that note then, I'll just leave everything how it was. On an interesting side-note, how do you know so much about the conflicts in Africa and the current news about them? Half of these uprises and rebellions I hadn't even heard of. Thanks for the quick reply and have a good night's sleep. - Patman2648 06:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's odd that I seem to have specialized in Central African conflicts on Wikipedia. I have worked with displaced populations in Uganda and am fortunate enough that I have a job where I have the opportunity to discuss and write about governance issues in conflict-affected states. It doesn't leave me blocks of time to do all the wiki writing that needs to be done, but that's a different story. Cheers, BanyanTree 13:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That's really cool that you're able to have such an interesting career dealing with issues like these. Good luck in the future and keep up the beautiful work on the Central African pages, they really are nice, they all have relevant pictures, nice sectioning and good grammar, I'm glad that those topics don't get ignored and reduced to stubs like so many others. Best of Luck - Patman2648 23:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Strathclyde and Bradford

Please do further research as both of these schools are very old, very respected in their countries and worldwide. Please do not treat them in this manner it is unbecomming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.26.178.121 (talk)

Ah, I see that Strathclyde was actually pointing to the wrong article and I hadn't bothered to check with Bradford after that. Apologies.

Now that that is out of the way, why don't you want to say that Riek Machar had basically allied with Khartoum against the SPLM? I don't see how you can avoid it, but you somehow have him starting the SPLM with Garang, leaving the SPLM to fight it alongside the government, and then leaving the government to ally with Garang, all while refusing to admit that Riek made any compromises. Interesting... - BanyanTree 00:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

SPLM Communist Manufesto

Although I do not currently have a copy of the document, it is well known that Mengisto of Ethiopia was the close friend and greatly influenced the early days of the SPLM. The SPLM communist manufesto is a fact not disputed. If you would like something added about the horrible outcome of trying to reform the SPLM/A, that can be arranged. The split in the movement was precipitated by a document called the Nassir Declaration which demanded democracy in the movement and objectives (including self-determination) and the respect of human rights withing the movement. You are right there are many political factors and human factors that have led to the outcome of the events, however nothing written here is false.