- What's the guidelines/precedent for removing text like the above in these Talk pages? AbsolutDan 15:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- Text like above should not be removed because it's disagreeable. The response is to disagree with it, not remove it.
Coyoty 02:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks AbsolutDan 03:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Text like above should not be removed because it's disagreeable. The response is to disagree with it, not remove it.
No mention of the North End or poverty, eh? Don't want people to know what the city is actually like... --163.192.21.45 21:38, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The part about the North end is an off-the-wall embarrassment. Could it be any more weepy and suggestive?
"have been collapsed" - what does this mean? Who collapsed it?
"Generally identified as consisting of the vast area north of Albany Avenue leading up to the Bloomfield and Windsor borders" - the North end very much extends *into* windsor and Bloomfield, which is a pretty strong indicator that the next line is rubbish.
"racist city planning" - is there an example? This is a huge slander that identifies no particular perpetrator or victim, but indicts city leadership in general? Could this be any more vague and useless as a comment? Somebody turn off the waterworks. Boo Hoo. All the problems of the North end in terms of crime and poverty extend into Windsor and Bloomfield despite the fact that whatever "policies" are being cited in this article did not apply in those towns. You can hardly tell where Hartford ends and Bloomfield and windsor begin. This is hardly a "redlining" issue.
"transformed a once multi-cultural area of African-American, Jewish, and European immigrants into an underdeveloped zone of housing projects and slums that is nearly entirely African-American and poor." - in other words, all the non-black and non-puerto ricans fled the area because they were tired of getting picked off in the street? How is city leadership responsible for this?
"caused the flight of the working and middle class to the suburbs." - crime causes people to flee. This is the same phenomenon in any western city, American or European.
"still suffers from underdevelopment and crime" - unless that crime is being imported, saying that the area "suffers" is an evasive way of saying that the people in the community are not responsible for their own deeds. A better way of saying it would be "a ton of people in this area commit crime with no compunction for the decay it causes in their own neighborhoods, or in Bloomfield and Windsor." People do the crime, "racist" city hall gets the blame? No one has to sell drugs, trick out his sister, steal cars, or create a whole generation of unwed mothers with crack babies. Try being a cop or a high school teacher in Hartford and see how hard city employees work to turn around young people's lives, only to get shot at, beaten, or raped. The city has a healthy share of black and puerto rican gangs in an age where gang violence is considered on the decline in very large cities.
"The schools are among the most segregated" - this is a similarly-ludicrous statement as the "racist" city policies a few lines up. "Segregated" indicates that someone literally aimed to separate by race. It does NOT mean incidental ghettoization from non-blacks fleeing the area for fear of their lives.
While we are talking about the North end, don't forget the porn shops and strip clubs by the highway.
Hartford is a place with big city problems but small town money to fix those problems. The urban decay cannot be fixed because no one in their right mind would move into Hartford proper when they could easily live in one of the suburbs which are among the nicest places to live in the state. The city swells by day as people commute to work, and they are darn well out by nightfall so they don't get picked off in the street. The city is bankrupt and without hope, but it wasn't always that way. 71.234.31.169 09:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Where's the Gazetteer stuff for Hartford, and for Patterson, New Jersey? BobCMU76 03:53 18 May 2003 (UTC)
Try Paterson, New Jersey. :) -- Zoe
Nickname
Is it worth mentioning "Insurance Capital of the World"? Does it have another nickname?
- "New England's Rising Star" is plastered all over billboards in the region, but that nickname seems to be more self-promotion than an actual commonly-recognized nickname AbsolutDan 14:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I can find no source for the nickname "Des Moines of the East", so I reverted the nickname back to Insurance capital of... and rising star... AbsolutDan 14:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup - POV and other concerns
Does anyone get the feeling that they are reading something out of a travel brochure? I have been trying to rid the article of as many of these problems as I could. Pentawing 02:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, I managed to go through the entire article and clean it up as much as I could (format, wikilinks, POV issues). However, I am keeping the cleanup notation up and would appreciate someone else going through the article to determine if the article is indeed cleaned up. What concerns me is that someone might attempt to restore many of the POV problems that the article originally had. Wikipedia is meant to show facts, not to be an advertising board. Pentawing 21:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I don't know the city, but I somehow doubt that this city is a major center of finance etc. :-) Perhaps a regional center at best. David.Monniaux 20:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Fair... Hartford is bigger than it looks (the city has about 100k, but the metro area is well over 1m, due to a level of suburbanization that you'd never see anywhere else in the Northeast), but isn't one of America's financial capitals or anything... but there's a lot of insurance. MMzach, 00:52, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- I would actually characterize Hartford as a major center of finance. It is known as the insurance capitol of the country and is home to most of the US's major insurance companies, and as such, certainly qualifies as a financial center. Keep in mind that CT is for all intents and purposes one large city that stretches between Boston and NYC so although Hartford, New Haven, etc. seem provincial, they aren't really.
- I would also characterize Hartford as a major center of business....although some of the corporations that were in Hartford have moved to the suburbs they would never have been able to move to the suburbs if it were not for Hartford. Hartford is home to/ has offices for AETNA, St. Paul Travelers Insurance, MetLife, The Hartford, Phoenix, ING, United Technologies, Bank of America and Henkel Loctite just to name a few. 68.9.78.146 20:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Are we ready to remove the cleanup tag? RJFJR 03:21, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
- I went through the article, and after some copyediting removed the cleanup tag. Pentawing 21:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Needs more photos.
Although the article has photos, it needs more photos especially pictures of its skyline. This should show the obvious developement of hartford.
I have lots of Hartford photos that I have taken myself I am just slowly trying to figure out how to put them on the site....if anyone knows how to easily get the photos on here let me know...Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctman987 (talk • contribs)
The return of POV
The entire Revitalization section is looking more and more like an advertisement, special thanks to the edits of Ctman987 (whom I suspect might be, or be an advocate of, architect Cesar Pelli). Much of the section should be trimmed (perhaps leaving a small overview paragraph of the projects). --AbsolutDan (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)