Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)/Archive 5

• /Archive 1: October 3rd 2005 - May 8th 2006.

"Nova"

Gamefaqs really isn't that great of a source...so it should be taken out until an OFFICIAL (Not a Forum) source is found.Sukecchi 20:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Just what was going to post. While we have more solid proof that some of this information (Blaze the Cat being in the game, etc), what proof do we have at all that the "Nova the Hedgehog is orange and crystaline" is actually, factual evidence? Not only that, but from what I've heard, the same person who told us about "Nova" and "her" appearance also "leaked" the ending to the game - which sounds really, really, really, really hard to swallow (stuff like Knuckles dying, and Blaze the Cat attempting self-mutilation, and other even more stuff that sounds like it's out of some 13 year old's bad fanfiction). Until somebody can better prove to me that the Gamefaqs information is true, I'm going to remove it. BlazeHedgehog 12:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Shadow the Iblis Trigger?

in the rumours it says shadow has been confirmed to be the Iblis Trigger but wer did you get this info from? cos i aint beilivin it untill i see a trust worthy website saying so

A number of sites have already been told that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger. The one who said Shadow is, is probably just pulling a prank.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.20.77 (talk) 22:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed it (and the info about Silver being voices by some 'Pete Capella'). NOTHING has stated that Shadow is the Iblis Trigger. Oh, and it wasn't in the rumors section. Everything has pointed to Sonic being the Iblis Trigger, and nothing has even been STATED about Shadow in the game (except that he'll be able to use military vehicles). --Ultimate 15:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

That "Pete Capella" thing reappeared. I re-deleted it. (That's not a word...) 86.143.156.110 21:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Pete Capella says on his Myspace that he infact voices Silver, and IMDB confirms that he's an actor within the industry. I am re-adding it. BlazeHedgehog 22:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, right, sorry about that. 86.143.156.110 22:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Um, there's no entry on IMDB for him. At least, not any more. 195.195.83.121 10:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

What's this, then? BlazeHedgehog 02:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

That's his page, but Sonic isn't mentioned anywhere on it. (Ah right, I misunderstood you.) BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 13:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

oh it was in known features? oops lol and it came as a bit of a shocked to me when it sayed that he was... duno why but my heart just jump =|

Maybe cite it in the article, Blaze? Emcee N 01:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bah, that news post was SOOO unrealistic. He may be the voice of Silver, but from his typing on MySpace, he sounds like a total n00b. Even if that's not the case, people can lie and say that they do something. If his name appears in the credits for the game, then we can safely assume that "Pete Capella" is the voice of Silver. Silver still sounds too much like Jason Griffith, though. --Ultimate 21:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a MySpace page hardly counts towards verifiability, and I've added a "citation needed" mark after Capella's bit in the hope that something can be done about it. BrokenBeta [talk · contribs] 12:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's worth noting, however, that quite a few celebrities and the like do have MySpace accounts. It was a popular fad for a while to see famous bands have a MySpace account. It'd be kind of weird to pose as a relatively unknown actor like Pete Capella, especially like this. The info on his MySpace matches the info on his IMDB profile, which, as I said, would kind of be weird to fake. While I agree that there is a possibility it could be fake, I am leaning towards "probably true", and it's the most solid evidence we have on anybody voicing Silver. BlazeHedgehog 07:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Silver?

Where did this Silver name come from? Is there an official source of it or what? Sukecchi 15:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I too would like to know where this came from. So far, his name has not been revealed and is purely speculation. Infact, until there is a source on where it came from, I will revert it... BlazeHedgehog 16:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706097p1.html Says his name is Silver...so I guess it's true. I'll add it back.Sukecchi 20:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It's just a fan giving the white hedgehog a nick name, the same way we call it white.

>x<ino 16:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

IGN called it Silver. We can't tell if it's true or not, but considering the other playable hedgehogs in the game (Sonic and Shadow) they may have wanted him to coincide with them, and have three playable hedgehogs starting with the letter 'S.' According to IGN, Silver (as they call him) is traveling through time to stop Sonic. Considering past dealings with various gamesites like IGN and Gamespot, like in Shadow the Hedgehog (they kept on saying that it took place fifty years after SA2, and that Shadow crash-landed onto an alien planet) it could very well be inaccurate info. I say we wait until claiming it official, but don't just ignore it. IGN may have recieved exclusive info on the game. --Ultimate 20:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The same way people here got the name confused with the move "Breakdancing". IGN is using a fancy nickname. That might not be the name, the same goes to Gamespot. Giving the move a Ninja style. Don't worry, e3 isn't over yet. More details will be reveal. Lets not jump into thoughs!

>x<ino 02:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, guys, my bad. I was the guy who put that in the article in the first place; I'm kinda new to editing Wikipedia (but not new to the whole Sonic the Hedgehog series). First, I forgot to cite myself (didn't know how) and then I had this information added without saying that it was still speculation. As far as I can tell, the info is correct; the name makes sense, and while some details on IGN may be wrong, I don't recall them making a mistake on a name, especially for a player character. Besides, Ultima, Shadow the Hedgehog is not really that great of an example; the story may have been like that when it was first reported, and most people think it's a royal piece of junk in its final form. So in short, I'm new (and sorry for the trouble), Silver came from a (sometimes) credible source, and it's at least something better than everyone calling it the "white hedgehog". Hey, sorry this was long, but like I said, I'm new here. Patience will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. I.M.Fearless 13:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally speaking, I'd feel much more comfortable if another website besides IGN said his name was Silver. For example, IGN also said Sonic's height was 5'10" (almost taller than I am!) - a few other websites I've read on this game seem to state otherwise, that Sonic is the same height he's always been (3'11"). If somebody like Gamespot or 1up.com mentions his name is Silver, then I'll conceed. Oh, and also: Welcome to Wikipedia! :D BlazeHedgehog 14:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If other website calls the white hedgehog Silver, then it is official! This game is now the anticipated game! Its the number one! SOnic must have owned Mario hard this time:P

[1] It's definitely official, the sega.com gamepage is up, and it calls him 'Silver' there. --Ultimate 18:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

So I was right, huh? Cool. Back on topic, what was that about Silver being able to fly? Where did someone read that?

P.S. Blaze: Thanks! I've been wanting to do this for a while, but now that school's almost over for the semester, hopefully I get to show up more often. Plus, it's fun doing this right as the news is coming out. I.M.Fearless 20:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Silver can use his powers to lift himself off the ground. It only works temporarily, though. --Ultimate 14:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

So I was right, huh? Cool. lol..:P

>x<ino 15:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Rumour

I dunno about you wiki users, but it seems to me, nor of you know what "fact"/ is!? Because a on one of the rumour as been there since ages, and still hasn't been dealt with! I am the one that added the fact to that note.

Originally, the game's designers were considering giving Sonic fur or individually animated spines, but this idea was dropped in favor of a more traditional Sonic.[citation needed] Where is the source to that!? But when I add something like that, they all chat crap and revert my edits going on about it. That note needs a reference, source, link, site. What ever they call it, it needs proof!.

Now moving on to the main event! Has Blaze was saying before, that Wiki suppose to be a encyclopedia where it can be updated daily. yes that is true! But we do needs proof and info that happens around us. Escpecially Rumours. When adding a rumour, we just don't add a rumour we think or it is opionionated. The rumour as to be from a website(not a forum!), magazine, internet/community or people/gamers! If we just add a rumour we agree in, like agree in the talk page, then that is alright. But a single user/person adding a rumour is wrong, because it is almost asif that user wants to spread the rumour. That is how rumour suddenly starts!

Yes the rumour we do have there are all good and sited, accept for the "fur" one.

• A scan of a brochure Sega was to hand out at E3 features a "PC" Icon next to the logos for the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. However, as of yet, no PC version has been officially announced.Like I mentioned above, we can only add rumours, whereas it as been mentioned many times by gamers around the internet, magazine, people or websites! We saw a damn poster, which is 100% edited!
  • The editor, wanted to spread a rumour to make gamers think this game is coming for the pc.

But have you heard anybody say this game is coming out for the PC? accept for us?

• • The background: the background looks like the stage in wide cannon, from Shadow The Hedgehog. The second stage, Black Doom teleports Shadow to a Cannon and wakes up.
  • As I.M.Fearless said in the PC VERSION Section: that Shadow looks like he as been ripped off something (copied and pasted). Like his right hand seems to be holding a gun before, but cancelled out.
  • Silver's original and main skin is White, resembling the name Silver! When Silver uses his powers, his powers gloves, with a shiny line glows. While using his powers, his skin changes, from white to green/gold. I have seen all in-gameplay videos provided by gamespot and didn't see anyhere Silver changing his skin from white to blue!

Anybody can edit a picture too good! It will look real, here is an example: too bad the image got deleted. It was a picture of Spiderman taking off his mask, when confronted by Harry. It was from Spiderman 2. But that editor edited too good, it look so much like the Venom custome even painted Peter's eyes like he has the venom power!

• It has been speculated that the as-of-yet unknown fourth playable character may be Metal Sonic, or Super Sonic.

First of all, this isn't a big deal! Like I said before, we need to see who is talking about the rumour, is it coming from gamers on the internet, magazine, website, community? We can't add a rumour because we believe one person might be right!:/ But yes, those rumour might be ok, because there are some rumours that don't really need to be in-spread. However: why do Super Sonic want to be the fourth player, Super Sonic is Sonic and comes from Sonic. Metal Sonic is bad, and created by Eggman. This game features hedgehogs, Sonic, Shadow and Silver: Blue, Black & White! That's the way it goes.

Find me proof that the PC logo was edited in. It looks real enough to me and it contained legitimate information that was leaked before it was posted publically. For all intents and purposes, the image is real - why would anybody edit something like that? If it was a hoax, the whole picture would be hoaxed, not a tiny little icon. Games like Billy Hatcher, and Sonic Heroes got PC ports, too, with next to no announcements about them. It's very likely it's the same thing here. BlazeHedgehog 21:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Why da hell should I find you a proof? GROW UP. You are acting like a damn kid. I have already prove all my might that it isn't comfirmed for PC yet. STOP ARGUGING! No damn website said anything about it coming to PC, accept for the idiot putting down PC!

:Find me proof that the PC logo was edited in [2],[3],[4] this is enough, I have proved my point! And where is a proof[5]Scroll dowm from there you will see several logos for consoles and handheld. From there you will see PC logo, there are two for PC. one is PC/CD and the other is PC/DVD...so since when did SEGA put down PC? If you havn't or that is your first time seeing PC logo. I suggest you start buying PC games!

It looks real enough to me and it contained legitimate information that was leaked before it was posted publicallyYou must be blind son....cuz if you look closier you can see a shadow above the text. The logo is even bigger than xbox live and ps3!Again, this poster wasn't even showed at E3!

For all intents and purposes, the image is real - why would anybody edit something like that?The same way, some one edited a picture of Spiderman 2, and made it look like it is Spiderman 3. When Sony havn't began filming.

If it was a hoax, the whole picture would be hoaxed, not a tiny little iconYou are rubbish in arguging! Here are the list that as been changed upon the picture

• Silver skin is blue
• Shadow is standing in an unsual way!
• The PC logo as been included
• We can see Silver and Sonic's shadow..what about Shadow's?
• What about the unsual background!

Games like Billy Hatcher, and Sonic Heroes got PC ports, too, with next to no announcements about them. It's very likely it's the same thing hereYes, even Sonic Adventure DX got ported to PC. But the games were released to console first. This damn game isn't even release yet, no one is talking about this game coming to PC. Not even Gamespot or IGN, accept for people at Sonic Staduim and us

Stop complaining, this image is edited. And no matter how many times you or anyone els add if this game is coming to pc, I will always revert it! I have proved all my points.

>x<ino 14:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You're the one starting arguments, man. I'm just responding to them. Your reasoning does not hold up whatsoever. Silver is blue? Look at their gloves. Those are blue, too. It's called: A bad scan. It happens. Not everybody has an expensive scanner, and not everybody knows how to scan images properly. Can't see Shadow's shadow? The sun is coming down from the top right of the image - if you look under Shadow's foot on the bottom left, you can see his shadow there. The background is Crisis City with depth of field blurring. Are you even trying to be reasonable at all? It's not even a poster! It's a brochure! You know, a pamphlet. Part of a press kit. It's very possible that the PC version is being kept under a Non-disclosure agreement. Just because it hasn't been announced doesn't mean this image has to be edited! And your reason for it appearing to be edited? That's called a JPEG artifact. It happens when you use a variant of the the MPEG compression format. BlazeHedgehog 17:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

How come you are the only one disagreeing with this!? Why don't you listen!? Did or Have you heard IGN, Gamespot, Mobo, Gamespy, 1up or Edge mention anything about this game coming to PC? Where els have you seen this picture apart from Sonic Stadium?

Bad scan!? So..the idiot scanned the images and the whole skin turned blue? (rolls eyes). It doesn't matter if is a brochue catalog or leaflet what so ever, it is edited!

All the point you are giving me is good but doesn't work with this image!

• Bad Scan

Is when you receive crappy image, images that you can't tell what a text is or colours that looks sloppy. But that colour my friend is fine, if its a bad scanning on Silver's colour then it should happen to Sonic's and Shadow's

• Compression artifact

You are really not making a point! If this image is a bad compression, how come we can all see the text, details, colours ect!?

Face it, I will keep on reverting you ontil you find me a bigger proof. And are you even the one that added the image to this article in the first place!? List me some websites that also displays this image!

>x<ino 18:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Look, I don't even know what your problem is, Xino. Your reasoning is, "It's edited because I say it's edited." - and yet, the reasons you think it's edited are completely false! You're just assuming! Because, you know, somebody out there just happened to get their hands on OFFICIAL ARTWORK for the game, OFFICIAL ARTWORK displayed on the Sega.com website, nearly a WEEK before E3 started, and decided to put in a little tiny "PC" logo just to fool everybody into thinking... what? That's the worst excuse I've ever heard in my entire life. And to top it all off, it's not as if what I said makes it sound as if there is even going to be a PC version! I say, "No PC version has been announced." - But no, you're Xino, everything's gotta be your way or no way. That is against Wikipedia guidelines, Xino. If you want to continue editing articles on Wikipedia for the forseeable future, you should honestly reconsider your actions towards others people's edits, because it would seem that many people are getting fed up with your pushy attitude. Like I said before, I'm a nice guy, Xino, and I'm willing to work with you as long as you are reasonable. "It is edited, because I say it is edited, and I will revert anything you do to say otherwise" is not reasonable. BlazeHedgehog 14:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if you think I am using cheap excuses to back up my notes or not! You are missing the big point! You are not providing evidence to back up your note! I have done mine already, listed out all the points that made the picture a editive! You brag on about the picture being made by Sega, even giving me a cheap link [6], whereas the promo picture isn't even there:/ You said the official artwork...so where is it in the website?

I am saying the picture got edited, adding a PC logo to it! Game isn't coming out for PC nor comfrimed for it yet! Yes everything as to be my way, cuz I make things easier and better when I start to edit articles. I tell people what to do, cuz I know what I am doing! RandyWang can't still see that but make people believe what he thinks about me! Yes you are a nice guy (that's all they all say), you are willing to work with me!? Then start by cooperating with me!

>x<ino 15:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

But Xino, if you don't care what I think, why should I care what you think? As far as I am concerned, you failed to disprove what I originally said about the image. Your logic does not work in this reguard. Look at the header image for the game on Sega's official website, and then look at the supposed "Edited" brochure - the artwork used for Sonic is the exact same image. Are you going to tell me Sega hoaxed the PC icon themselves, now? Or are you going to say that somebody magically happened to get their hands on official artwork for the game before E3 started, and hoaxed the image themselves? How is even at all remotely possible that this image could be hoaxed? The brochure scan was the first image we ever saw of Silver, and outside of the color being off (which, like I said, happens very often with poor quality scans), he looks exactly the same as he does in the game. The brochure scan was also the first time we learned Shadow would be a part of the game as well. There is no way that image could just be a coincidence. Nobody stumbles upon information like that out of random chance. Nor would anybody go through the immense effort it would take to steal artwork like that and change it just so they could add a tiny little "PC" icon for no real reason. In the face of this, where is your proof, Xino? How could this have been hoaxed if it was the first time we saw this information, information that turned out to be legitimate? Is this how you "help" Wikipedia articles? This is the exact opposite of help, and is the entire reason people are lodging complaints against you. BlazeHedgehog 15:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You are a waste of my time, trust me. I will keep on reverting you if you keep adding that "rumour" thing. Because the image showed at SEGA website, obviously the use can merge the damn image together! The website clearly shows Xbox 360 & PS3 without the logo. You are not making sense. It isn't a rumour! No damn people are talking about this game being released for the pc, either in forums or messageboards. You are the one trying to spread this cheap hoax. The image is edited!

• Changed coloured and it isn't a bad scan!
• Added a PC logo, whereas PC logo are normall black & white: PC|CD or PC|DVD. If that is how the PC logo should be how come that is how xbox 360 & ps3 logo looks like the exact!?

Stop complaining or trying to spread rumour. This game isn't coming out for pc nor comfrimed for it! No one is talking about the game being made for the PC.

>x<ino 20:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate it when you completely ignore my points and make a physical effort to sidestep my reasoning just so you can be right. It's okay to admit your wrong, dude, if that's what you're afraid of. But hey, I'm done arguing. The wikipedia staff will eventually take care of this whole mess one way or the other. BlazeHedgehog 01:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

lol...You still don't get it do you!? I know what I am doing! First of all, the reason I am reverting this edit so called rumour: Is because it isnt a rumour! Rumour is when people talk about something that isn't true, something that was spread by 1 person and millions are talking about it. That is what a rumour is!

I don't care if that picture is edited or not! What I am concerned is that there is a PC logo which looks odd than the PS3 & 360's logo. Again that isn't how PC logo looks like! I have already proven my points and gave links to how PC logo looks like! Again, no one, I mean NO ONE is talking about if this game is coming to PC. Like I explained before what a rumour is: a fake info that isn't true, was spread by 1 person and millions of people talking about it. Have you heard anybody talk about this game coming to PC, I have asked you this question in my replies! Still no answer! IGN, Gamespot, Sonic websites, fansites, other websites, magazines or forum, have you heard any info about this game coming to PC from them? NO! If that image was from SEGA, which I know it is, but was edited, how come Sonic Staduim are the only one that have that solid picture!? So you are telling me, cuz that image got leaked from them, SEGA decided not to display that image!?

Blaze you really need to give me 1 big detail and reason why I should leave this info as a rumour. Because you are not giving me a hint of a detail and why

• A promo scan from SEGA was suppose to be showed at E3, how come Sonic Staduim are the only one to have the image?
• How come no one is talking about this game being ported to PC?
• How come we can't see any other places that have this particular promo poster!?

The picture is real, yes, but it as been edited, it is a hoax trying to spread a rumour, trying to start a rumour!

AlL you have to do is:

1. Give me several websites that also have that particular promo picture
2. Proof that the image isn't edited by give me a source where people are actually talking about it coming to PC

>x<ino 01:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Here Blaze...I already gave out this link before, dunno if you saw it, but. This is my final proof and answer that the image was 100% edited[7] No more please, it isn't a rumour it is edited, a hoax and trying to spread a rumour from Wikipedia!

>x<ino 01:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

How is that evidence for anything? I've linked the American page for Sonic 2k6 several times and it doesn't list anything for the PC there, either. What's your point? Just because Sega hasn't announced it yet doesn't mean Sega won't announce it. Considering past trends with Sonicteam games, It is very, very likely Sonic 2k6 will see a PC port some time in the future. Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic R, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Billy Hatcher and Sonic Gems Collection Plus all saw PC ports. It would not surprise me if in the near future, Shadow the Hedgehog has a PC port announced. You clearly seemed to gloss over the fact of what an NDA is: It's a little piece of paper journalists have to sign that says, "You know information that cannot be released publically until we say you can." - When Sonic 2k6 was shown at E3 last year, no magazines and no websites reported on it. Did that make this game a hoax? Of course not. We had footage that it existed. Could the footage have been faked? Yes. But it wasn't. And the game itself was not officially announced until 4 months later. We have a similiar situation here, Xino: We have a scan that proves something exists; a scan Sega of a booklet Sega handed out at E3. Advanced information that professional magazines and websites aren't allowed to tell us about yet. Could it have been hoaxed? Maybe. But as I've repeatedly said, and you've repeatedly ignored, it is very unlikely it could have been hoaxed. The only way to have gotten the artwork and the information that scan contained, before E3 started, would have been to work for Sega themselves, and I doubt anybody at Sega has any reason to hoax something like this. Go ahead and conduct your poll, go ahead and do whatever you wish if you feel people will side with you. I do not fear the results. As I said, I have left notes with Wikipedia staff asking for a third opinion on this subject for that very same reason, and I eagerly await their intervention. BlazeHedgehog 02:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem right now is that, you can't accept that I am right! You are acting like a damn fanboy, fanboys never accept the true but brag shit talks! You seem to be doing the same!

• How is that evidence for anything? I've linked the American page for Sonic 2k6 several times and it doesn't list anything for the PC there, either. What's your point?Yes you have, but the point of your website shows that SEGA didn't annouce anything coming for PC.
• And the point of my own websites 100% shows that, that image was edited! It showed exactly the same logo's as of xbox live and ps3, but did you see a PC logo. i guess NOT!
• It is very, very likely Sonic 2k6 will see a PC port some time in the future. Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic CD, Sonic R, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes, Phantasy Star Online, Phantasy Star Universe, Billy Hatcher and Sonic Gems Collection Plus all saw PC portsYes I know this game might be coming to PC, but did I say it isn't. I was just trying to prove to you that image is edit, but won't listen, now I have given a big fat evidence, but still you an't accepting it! Yes this game might be coming for PC, but that doesn't mean we have to be jumping into conclusion, no one is talking about it yet! Come on! Wat is the point of you putting it that it is rumour to come out of PC, when you too clearly know that other Sonic titles and Sega titles made it to PC. Wait till the game comes out first, and you will later hear website saying, it is coming out for PC, then we can put it to the Known Feature/ Future content section, instead of putting it to a Rumour section.
• When Sonic 2k6 was shown at E3 last year, no magazines and no websites reported on it. Did that make this game a hoax? Of course not. We had footage that it existed. Could the footage have been faked? Yes. But it wasn't. And the game itself was not officially announced until 4 months laterSonic 2006 wasn't annoucned last year e3, it was the Sonic DS, the full polygon 3D sonic. There was a video/ leaked video of Sonic 2006.
• We have a scan that proves something exists; a scan Sega of a booklet Sega handed out at E3. Advanced information that professional magazines and websites aren't allowed to tell us about yet. Could it have been hoaxed? Maybe. But as I've repeatedly said, and you've repeatedly ignored, it is very unlikely it could have been hoaxedSo you are telling me, that promo poster was a secert!?
• The only way to have gotten the artwork and the information that scan contained, before E3 started, would have been to work for Sega themselves, and I doubt anybody at Sega has any reason to hoax something like thisThe problem is, that image was from Sonic Staduim
• Go ahead and conduct your poll, go ahead and do whatever you wish if you feel people will side with you. I do not fear the results. As I said, I have left notes with Wikipedia staff asking for a third opinion on this subject for that very same reason, and I eagerly await their interventionSorry son, I don't deal that way. I deal with a vote, whereas editors will read the reason about this rumour thing if it's a fake or not. Then they/we vote and decide if the info should stay as a rumour or not!

I don't care what you do son, keep adding that info to a rumour, and you will be reverted! The image is fake!

• Silver colour as been changed to blue
• PC image added, and that isn't how a PC logo is

>x<ino 04:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, chill the hell right out. He's provided substantial evidence that the rumour exists - at the very least, it's arrogant and unfair of you to revert his addition of a real, substantiated rumour. Do not attack other users like this, for any reason. I've added this discussion as evidence of your poor behaviour to the currently running RfC, and will apply to the Mediation Committee (and thence to ArbCom, if MedCom think it's necessary) the next time you attack another user like this. You've already been warned that your behaviour is totally unacceptable a number of times: I kindly suggest that you take a break and accept that you do not own the pages that you edit. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 08:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Here comes RandyWang: the boy who loves bugging into converstation that doesn't concern him, the boy that thinks he knows all and can solve problems. Randy I have told you many times, stay out of my ways and edits. I don't give a ass damn about what you say, you are really wanting a nasty flame from me...believe me, I have told you many times.

>x<ino 15:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, we're taking your case to mediation today. Might I suggest that you chill out, cut the personal attacks and recognise that you do not own any Wikipedia content? You are the single user who does not believe this rumour, so why does that make it totally unworthy of a mention? RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 21:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

One last thing I want to say before this whole thing is over, something I've actually been meaning to say but haven't - namely because it took me a bit to track it down. Do you know where Sonic Stadium got the image, Xino? NeoGAF. Read the article on it thoroughly. It's a forum made up entirely of industry insiders - real videogame designers like David Jaffe (who worked on God of War, one of the best PS2 games of 2005), and videogame magazine editors. It isn't the first time information of that sort has accidentally leaked out of GAF Pre-E3, either. Is that source enough for you? BlazeHedgehog 04:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh a forum...that is just great. Forum are full of ass kids. You can't get important info at forums, they are just made up lies! Even images provided are always edited. You can tell by their sig's and avarters. So are you telling me David Jaffe scanned the image!? David Jaff drew those pictures!? This is pointless, you can add that pointless useless line and I will keep on reverting it.

You still don't know what a rumour is, but trying to spread one. That line is just coming from opionion!

• I havn't seen that image anywhere els over the internet
• I haven't heard anybody talk about this game being for PC, even if it's in the top 10 anticipation most wanted games
• I havn't seen any PC logo or image around this game
• If that image is a leaked image, it should be flowing around the internet now, because that is how leaked information are
• If the image isn't edited, I should hear info regarding that it is coming for the PC

and lastly!

• If it is! a rumour...then I should be hearing people talking about it everywhere

Now is that a rumour to you!? Likem I said before, add this line to the rumour section, be ready to be reverted!

Oh yea by the way, i wish there is a blocking or ingore button. SO i can ingore Randy, because you are annoying like a fly! And I surely do hate insects! now is the time I do need a damn block list and ingore list! (kisses is teeth and rolls eyes)

>x<ino 09:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino please read this carefully http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment Sonic Hog 11:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, this RFM is the last step before arbitration. I suggest you seriously consider taking part in it. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 11:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

E3 2006 Promo Art 05/May/06 A page that is currently beleived to be from part of SEGA's E3 2006 press kit, displaying a never before seen character and logo. Source: SEGA E3 2006 Promotion Booklet. Scanned by: Unknown Scanned by who? I though it was a brochur!?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Xino (talk • contribs) 05:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I think I know what 'PC' stands for in that now. It seems to be out of SEGA's E3 press kit, so perhaps it stands for 'Press Copy.' The scan just didn't turn out right--however, if you look at Sonic Channel's latest news post, there's a link to an E3 page. It's got snapshots of SEGA's booth. One shows the exact same artwork on the scan, except that it is higher-quality, and without the city background. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are still in there, though, and in the exact same poses. Instead of the city background; however, it was replaced by a white background with shadows of the hedgehogs laying out behind them. Also, in that picture, Silver seems to have a 'slight' bluish tint to his silver fur. It's highly probable that the scan just screwed up (as nearly everyone has been trying to state) which caused some of the colors to look blue. The 'PC' doesn't neccessarily mean personal computer--in fact, it probably means 'Press Copy' because that was part of the SEGA E3 Press Kit, anyway. AKA, a brochur. I know some of this stuff has already been stated, but I'm trying to restate it and EXPLAIN it all. --Ultimate 23:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that on the Sonic Channel earlier today, too. Didn't figure it was worth mentioning because Xino's already been delt with. If the PC was for Press Copy, though, you'd think it'd be in a different location as to avoid this sort of confusion - top left, for example, and not down there with all the other console logos. BlazeHedgehog 05:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Where did the info about appearances of Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Rouge and Blaze come from?

Please see the talk page sections labeled "Sega Employee" and "Bucketload of info, what do we do with it?". BlazeHedgehog 18:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

4 PLAYERS

There isnt no 4th character! The game will allow us/ gamers to play with 4 controllers! For an example: The game Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. But did we play with any other players other than Shadow? NO! That 1-2 player was for multiplayer! You are forgetting that this game will feature online playablities, so if it's 2 player then it will be weak. Multiplayer as evolved, right now NeXt Gen gaming is allowing 32 players all at once! This game will feature 1-4 players which means:

• We can only play as the only 3 characters in the single player: Sonic/ Blue, Shadow/Black and Siler/White
• The 1-4 will be available in the multiplayer section. But yes if there are 3 characters who will be the fourth!?

We don't know, so stop making up fake rumours! The 4 character can be Eggman, Princess Elise or one of the character you meet up during the single player. When you are playing a multiplayer game, it is unfair for the other opponent to have greater skills than his/her victim: I mean, player 1 choosing Shadow and Player 2 choosing Super Sonic. Ofcousre Super Sonic will have better advantages!

Yes, in Shadow the Hedgehog, it says 1-2 players. In the multiplayer section, it suppose to be Shadow or Sonic. Maybe Shadow or one of Sonic' friends. But it was actually Metal Shadows!

The same will appeal for this game. The multiplayer will be SOnic, Shadow & Silver. But who can the 4th player be, the fourth player can either be: Eggman. Remember the character as to match same skills as of his opponents or has to be fair!

Is this clear enough? please state your own reason about this breif...

>x<ino 20:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Xino, I don't who the above person is, but apparently they are backing up their information by their own edits to this article. From what I gather from looking at the page history:

• [8] somebody didn't like the information coming out from Sega and changed it to look like a rumor
• [9] the information was later moved it down to the rumors section because of the edited wording

If this is the way offical information from Sega gets treated, we should scrap the entire article. --DavidHOzAu 01:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the links you gave me... but I will state my messages clearier!

First of all, the fact from SEGA:

• Sega produced a promo picture for this game, suppose to be at E3.

Yes, I and several people are saying that picture is edited.
I am trying to prove all the details why it as been edit, still no one is taking notice!
Ok then...if the image isn't edited, then CAN SOMEONE PLEASE BRING A PICTURE OF EXACTLY THE SAME PICTURE FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT WEBSITES!: it will be better if the image comes from one of this links:

• • IGN
  • Gamespot
• 1up
• Gamespy

Because only Sonic Staduim as that picture!

Now the 4 players:

• In Sonic Adventure 2, at the back of the case it says 1-2 players. Did we play with a 2 player during the storyline, another words, 1-2 player, was there a co-op mode in storymission? NO!
• Shadow the Hedgehog: it says 1-2 playes. Once again did we play a co-op mode in the storymission...NO!

Sonic games are only meant for 1 players! But if another controller is needed then it is surely for multiplayer. Even SEGA website said so them self!

Now this is from SEGA UK Multiplayer modes where you can play through a unique co-op adventure with another player, or duke it out with others whose goals are completely different to yours! Do you know what a co-op mode is? only a 2 players. And do not brag about it being 4 player! Which means 1 player will either choose out of the 3 hedgehog while the other chooses from the remaining 2. And duking it out is like the Shadow multiplayer game...

For SEGA US...the site isn't responding so I will give out the data later!

By the way...who ever is the person redirecting the user to a reference section. Knock it off! It is quite annoying. Because when I click on the link, it takes me to a refernce section, but doens't even show the right one. I am sure editors and visitors will also find it annoying!

>x<ino 14:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a footnote, the reference system is supposed to the that. Anyway, I'll quote the article here for you:

When video game icon Sonic The Hedgehog debuted on the SEGA Genesis in 1991, he shook up the action-platform genre with his signature speed and rebellious attitude. More than 44 million units later, Sonic celebrates his 15th anniversary and blazes his way onto the next generation consoles for an epic adventure designed to deliver the most intense sensation of speed experienced to date.

The game is set in Soleanna, the beautiful city of water. In his first adventure set in the human world, Sonic meets a beautiful princess named Elise, whom he quickly befriends, but Princess Elise is abducted by none other than the calculating Dr. Eggman who is working under dark and sinister motives,to destroy this special kingdom of hers. In order to restore safety and serenity, Sonic must maneuver his way through a series of adventures and challenges where he will encounter and interact with a bevy of allies and enemies, and ultimately go head to head against the menacing doctor to thwart his malicious plans. Along the way, Sonic encounters a mysterious character named Silver. Blocking him with unique supernatural powers, even the Blue dude with 'tude will find it difficult to out-maneuver the enigmatic Silver! As Sonic speeds through the huge kingdom, the mysteries unravel.

Sonic The Hedgehog melds top-tier animation production values with next generation art, physics and game design to create the most intense, high velocity Sonic adventure yet! Featuring interactive 3D environments, a large cast of new and returning characters, and a blistering sense of speed, get ready for the reinvention of Sonic The Hedgehog!

Features:

• 15 years in the making. After his 1991 debut, universal video game icon Sonic returns to his high-velocity roots to create a new dimension of entertainment.
• Speed Redefined. Utilizing next-gen technologies, light bloom, and environmental motion-blur effects, Sonic's breakneck speed and dazzling world come to life.
• Amigos and enemies. Sonic is joined by friends and foes from the franchise history, as well as a new character, Silver, whose supernatural powers will wreak mayhem on Sonic's plans!
• Realistic World. Using a next-generation physics engine, Sonic's moves, attacks and environment interaction respond realistically to opposing forces. The dynamic environments have been specifically created to promote Sonic's sense of speed while delivering a great sense of scale.
• Two different types of stages. Town stages where Sonic will be able explore vast environments and play various sub-missions, and Action stages where Sonic's blistering speed will be utilized in full effect.
• Multiplayer Mode. Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos in high-spirited multiplayer fun!

Platform	Developer	Players	Release	Genre	ESRB
Xbox® 360™ PlayStation®3	Sega Studios - Japan	1-4	XBOX360: Fall 2006 PS3: Fall 2006		Rating pending

SEGA is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. SEGA, the SEGA logo and Sonic The Hedgehog are either registered trademarks or trademarks of SEGA Corporation. © SEGA Corporation, 2006. All Rights Reserved.

Sega.com

Notice the bit "Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos". ;-) --DavidHOzAu 09:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I am really greatful for what you did. by the way the cheap site is responding again!

Yes even David you got it right It says "Up to four players can play as Sonic and his amigos". And who are Sonic's Amigos?

• Silver
• Shadow

Do we know what Amigo stands for? no need to go to the dictionary and find out the meaning. If you watch the movie "The 3 Amigos" You can clearly see that it is 3 people in a group and they are identically the same. Which means,: 3 hedgehogs, the hedgehogs are the same, they are 3. However they bear 3 different colours: Blue, Silver & Black Now who will be the last character? and the last player can be one of th

Amigos and enemies. Sonic is joined by friends and foes from the franchise history, as well as a new character, Silver, whose supernatural powers will wreak mayhem on Sonic's plans! Which means the last player in the Multiplayer will have to be

• Tails
• Kunckles
• Doctor Eggman
• Blaze the Cat
• Fang
• Mighty the Armadillo
• Omega please don't let it be that damn robot!
• Metal Sonic
• Chaos!?

>x<ino 15:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

"Amigos" means friends. It doesn't mean peope who look exactly alike. As for a 4th Playable Character, do they say that there will only be four playable characters? No. Do they say that all of Sonic's friends and foes in this game will be playable? No. More and likely, there will be a larger variety of characters in multiplayer mode to play as. I'm not saying that's the case, I'm say that it's the mostlikely answer. Oh, and Xino, why'd you add Fang and Mighty to your list of possible fourth characters, but not Rouge? Rouge is more likely to appear than they are to return. --Ultimate 19:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes! You made an excellent point! no doubt! You are right, there can be Tails, Amy, Kunckles, Rouge. But in multiplayer you can only play with 4 people choosing out of those characters. And as for the amigo meaning, it does mean if they are alike. Have you seen the damn cowboy movie "3 amigos"? They dress the same, act the same, the same applies to this game, they are Hedgehogs and bear pattern colours.

>x<ino 21:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Amigo means Friend. End of story. Your logic is flawed, Xino. This is not to be meant as an insult, just to tell you that you are wrong. --Alexie 00:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC) (P.S. Since SEGA said Amigo, does that mean that only males are playable?)

In the English language, "he" refers to either males or females. If you don't know what gender a person is, you can use "he" to refer to both male and female. It also refers specifically for males, too, if you do it that way. Feminists are trying to change that, but it IS the truth. "She" is specifically for females. We can safely assumed that the term "amigos" simply means friends in general, and not solely males. --69.210.135.9 17:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC) (P.S. This is AGAIN Ultima, and I AGAIN forgot to login before adding my own post. I should just login permanently and be done with it--I'm not doing it now because my PC isn't in my room and I don't want my family members to be able to access my accounts. When I say 'accounts,' I mean any account I have online.)

Oh sure I am wrong. Amigo just means friend. There is alot more to it. You need to stop looking at articles and concenrate more on dictionaries:P

And as for "69.210.135.9". You have no idea what you are saying! You are saying he referes to male and female. Females are changing it?

PLEASE, enough with this cheap thoughs!

>x<ino 18:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, will Wiktionary do?

amigo m.

  1. friend (casual term in English, derived from Spanish)

How about dictionary.com?

a·mi·go Audio pronunciation of "amigo" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-mg) n. pl. a·mi·gos

   A friend.

Find me any source, anywhere that supports your definition of the word. And by "any source" I mean "one that isn't a Steve Martin comedy film".

I'd also like to point out that Sonic Adventure 2's original promotional material only advertised Sonic, Knuckles, and Eggman as playable characters. Emcee N 02:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking to me!? What da hell...the internet is full of low life sukers, an't it. I have provided my own terms of amigo, while you are providing yours from notes that can be edited by anyone (kisses is teeth, rolls eyes)

>x<ino 08:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, your own terms. Ones that you made up based on your viewing and misinterpretation of a comedy. I see you have no intention of meeting my request and providing a dictionary definition to source your claim - perhaps we should revert the talk page to delete what must therefore undoubtedly be a fake hoax rumour? I provided Reality Land's definition from Wiktionary and also from dictionary.com, which in turn sourced its definition from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language. (Furthermore, dictionary.com is not editable.) Go find a library and look it up. Or, how about Funk & Wagnall's Standard Desk Dictionary:

a·mi·go n. pl. A friend; comrade. [ < Sp. ]

What's your next claim, one of us flew to your town and "vandalised" all the dictionaries in your library? Emcee N 11:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I really don't see what your point is....or what exactly you are trying to prove! When someone says their own words, if they are wrong, then they are wrong. You have to correct them, so in future they will understand. But when someone is saying their own words although it differs from the actually true meaning, it doesn't matter, they are still correct because they understand what that thing is, but they are just manipulating it in a different matter!

For an example. There is a teacher, and 3 kids. The teacher asks both kids:
What does fire produce? don't mention heat!
The first kid said "fire produces yellow"
The second kid said "fire produces warmth"
The last kid said "fire produces flames!"
Now tell me what kid is correct!?
All kids are!

• The first kid is right, although he isn't explaining the termilogy of fire and what it produces. But he managed to twist his knowlege of understanding what it means, in a different way.
• The second kid is most right. Because fire produces heat, warmth, burns
• This is the last answer that suppose to be wrong but it is also right! This shows what exaclty I am talking about. The kid knows what a fire is, but exchange the true meaning of it. Yes fire is a flame! he didn't exaclty explain the true meaning of fire and what it produces. But the kid understands the aspects of fire,:

Now you are saying what does this all matter to you, I am changing subject. I am not, this is to backup my answers, rights and thoughs! If you actually scroll up you will see I have actually gave different meanings of Amigo. It relates to the dictionary answer. Which means, i do know what it means but I am changing the direct answer to the opposite side.

Beside what is the big deal!? You people over the internet do waste time!

>x<ino 00:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Amigos don't have to look exactly alike. The ones in "The Three Amigos" do, but that doesn't mean they all have to. We're not trying to insult you or "own" you or anything, you're just... not correct. You need to stop taking things on the Internet so personally. Emcee N 01:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh so you trying to twist things are we!?

>x<ino 14:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

What the hell are you all talking about?! We were talking about sonic the hedgehog! But just to add to the conversation, amigos mean friends. It dosen't care who you are, or what you look like! When you are friends with someone, they are, in spanish, your amigo! Now can someone please tell me about this forth character?! -Rosxs

Look, Xino, Amigo=Friend. Don't come with cowboys to me, I'm portuguese and That word is Portuguese/spanish. They simply wanted to say something cool, end of story.

Have Blaze and the others been confirmed to appear? (195.23.225.236 09:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC))

Release Date

Although the title says "Summer 2006", I've called around EB Games and quite a few other places, and they said Sega intends on releasing Sonic 2K6 the same day as the PS3, at least in Canada (where I am). Shall i add that note to the release date information on the page?

User:Raccoon Fox - Talk 21:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard it would land on the Xbox 360 first, and then just be available for the PS3 launch. BlazeHedgehog 00:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lets just leave it as "TBA" or speculative/what ever they call that thing:/

>x<ino 13:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The quote in the above section makes the answer to this painfully obvious... --DavidHOzAu 09:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I edited to say Fall 2006, because that's what the Sega rep said on the Gametrailers.com "Gameplay Extravaganza" video. BlazeHedgehog 13:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

SEGA stated from a few sources at E3 that the X-Box 360 version would release simultaneous with the PS3 one, and they were trying to release the PS3 one the same day the PS3 was actually released. "Fall 2006" is good enough. --69.210.135.9 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it going to be released on Sonic's 15th Anniversery (the day of his first game release) which is on June 23? UnDeRsCoRe

Stuff

Can we archive the crap on this page? It's getting out of hand and it isn't helping.

Also, whoever thinks specular highlighting is a new addition to Sonic the Hedgehog, either doesn't know what that is, or hasn't been paying much attention. What did you think made the Heroes models look like plastic? 86.143.156.110 20:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I've archived some of it. --Zeno McDohl 21:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about!? The graphics!? It is made with Havok engine

>x<ino 21:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The Havok 'engine' is NOT related to graphics. In fact, engines aren't anything related to graphics. An engine is how the game plays. The Havok engine has nothing to do with game graphics, it has to do with being able to manipulate nearly any thing you see during gameplay. --Ultimate 21:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I thought Specular Highlighting was a shader effect used in relation with bump mapping to make bump-mapped surfaces look shiny. I always figured the effect in Sonic Heroes was more like a type of environment mapping (that is, using a texture to simulate reflection, like the Gran Turismo games did on the PSone). BlazeHedgehog 04:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Specular highlighting is merely a secondary highlight to give objects shine. You can see the effect in any Sonic game since Sonic Adventure. In fact, SA does a good job of showing it: Stand outside in Emerald Coast and turn the camera around Sonic -- you'll see that some of the highlighting "follows" him around. That's an effect called Local Viewer in DirectX terms, and it only happens when Specular Highlighting is active. 86.143.156.110 12:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: See Specular highlight. 86.143.156.110 12:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

EDIT2: Here [10] is a shot of Sonic Heroes. The awful white lines atop Sonic and Knuckles' heads -- that's the specular highlighting. Sonic Adventure -- and all other games since -- have had the same thing but not quite as blatant. 86.143.156.110 13:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ultima, that's not correct. The Havok Physics engine, in this case, is almost exclusively to do with graphics. That is, Havok licenses a number of different engines: the one you're referring to is called Havok Physics, while the more famous Havok physics engine is called Havok FX. The former is used for some games' animation and physics systems, while the latter is more common and used for visual physics effects - such as realistic fog, explosions, particle effects and so on using Shader Model 3.0 where available. This physics engine is visible to the user, and in a very big way. Remember, while a single game engine runs the entire show, it still makes use of a number of external resources - also known as engines - for certain features that are too expensive to develop in-house, such as physics, and graphics. The Unreal Engine is a very good example of this. RandyWang (^raves/_rants) 09:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"Controversies"

What the HELL is this all about?! Nothing in the Controversies section makes sense. The IDEA of mentioning criticisms is idiotic in of itself--criticism has nothing to do with the game itself. Then the second part about 8 Chaos Emeralds. NOTHING has even been mentioned about Chaos Emeralds, other than the fact that the princess has the green one. Shouldn't this be removed because it is useless? --Ultimate 20:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

But didn't you say in your "E10 rumor" saying it oculd be a high possiblity. I first formed this section and that's all I had in it. Other people must have changed it a lot. Please put it back... that is if you remember what what was there originally. If not, I'll put it back when I get a chance but it won't be word-for-word. Knuckles sonic8 22:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove the 'Controversies' section. E-10+ rating IS highly likely, but it should be put underneath rumors. When I saw the Controversies page, though, it only had something related to how people have been criticizing the game, and that the game will feature 8 Chaos Emeralds (which was never mentioned anywhere). That is why I suggested it be removed. I never changed anything in it, though, and I never removed it either. Someone else must have. --Ultimate 16:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

E-10+ Rating Rumor

Before you guys start asking about this, which I'm sure many of you will, I shall reveal the source of this rumor. Though I didn't list the direct link inside the rumor itself (perhaps I should've) I did state that it was in the Sonic the Hedgehog Message Boards on Gamespot/Gamefaqs. Bendilin, a very reliable source (he's got a guy in SEGA who reveals minor information to him) revealed that he's heard that the current pending rating is E-10+. In the past, Bendilin has been quite accurate, including revealing information on Silver in Sonic Rivals BEFORE it being confirmed at E3, and also confirming a team system in Sonic Advance 3. The topic can be found either at Gamespot ([11]) and at Gamefaqs ([12]). If you don't believe it, it's fine by me. I still put it in rumors, anyway. It can't be a confirmation unless SEGA states so--I'm only explaining his reliability when it comes to things like this. --Ultimate 19:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly why I placed this information on the page cause I was also somewhat aware of this. I strongly think it'll be rated E10+ as well, personally. Knuckles sonic8 21:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's rather obvious that it'll be rated an E10+, and I don't see why you need a magic crystal ball to tell you this. BlazeHedgehog 22:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sega Employee

The guy has been established as being an actual Sega employee. It is not the forum speculating things, it is information being delivered. mad_cat_42 20:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

And is there PROOF that the guy's been established as a SEGA employee? If you don't have any proof, then I'm deleting the whole "Everybody from Sonic Rush will be back" and "Another new hedgehog" crap. I'll give you four hours.

Four Hours? Who the hell are you to declare "four hours"? This isn't a hostage situation. Anyway, being a member of the GHZ Forums, I'd say this guy is legit. He's offered up insight into other Sega games he's tested - Super Monkey Ball Adventure, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Riders, etc, giving us information about the game that had not yet been released - such as revealing plot details about Shadow before the game hit store shelves. This information was confirmed to be true, basically validating that yes, he is a game tester for Sega UK. BlazeHedgehog 21:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

So basically, you have no proof.

Are you a troll? What did I just say? You want me to find the specific forum post? Right, then. Shadow the Hedgehog Beta Footage - a rather embarassing glitch where Shadow and Maria get stuck together in a compromising position - unfortunately, the Rapidshare link has long since died so you can't see it for yourself. This glitch is, as far as I know, unreplicatable in the retail version, which should be proof enough for you. When you consider that, it makes this post all the more hilarious. BlazeHedgehog 23:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

um...why are you suddenly talking about Shadow? Right....

Right, so you're a troll, then, I'll assume. You ask for proof this guy is legit - and I offer proof, so you claim I'm changing the subject. BlazeHedgehog 01:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I hope my edit offers a compromise solution. To tell the truth, Blaze, the wording of this section, where it was almost presented as established fact, was kinda getting on my nerves as well. Emcee N 02:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with the re-wording. Infact, the only problem I did have with this is the rather impatient tone 63.227.2.85 took, with the "YOU HAVE FOUR HOURS" and him accusing me of changing the subject when I was simply making a point. BlazeHedgehog 06:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

THANK YOU EMCEE! And Blaze, how am I a troll when I'm just trying to get rid of all the rumors that you consider facts? For me, as long as SEGA doesn't officially annouce it or says it in an interview, it's not considered a fact. Just because some guy on a forum claims to be a SEGA employee, doesn't mean that he is. Now, if SEGA OFICIALLY announces the info about the Sonic Rush people being in the game and stuff, THEN you can feel free to add it to the facts section.

"63" (for so shall I address you, for short) I see Blaze's point as well. You're right that rumours should be correctly identified as such, (and in all fairness the piece WAS in the rumours section, it was just poorly worded) but instead of this "You have Four Hours *thunderclap*" stuff, just reword it as a rumour and add a comment to the discussion page. And also, Blaze talked about Shadow to show you a previous true piece of inside information that had come from his source. If you read some of the earlier rubbish that went on on this talk page, you'll understand why people are a little jittery about trolls right now... Emcee N 09:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

How about this little piece of info. NOBODY expected Ulala, AiAi, and NiGHTS to be in Sonic Riders (everyone was thinking that it'd be Team Chaotix) and this guy goes out and state that they were in the game, and that neither Team Chaotix nor Shadow were in the plot. NOBODY expected that those three would be in the game, or that Shadow wouldn't make it in story mode. Despite how much I loathed him for... I don't know, revealing that three idiotic non-Sonic characters would appear instead of other Sonic characters, he IS a very reliable source. Still, though, the info should remain under 'Rumors' until confirmed by Sonic Team, even though OneClassyBloke is also a SEGA employee. It prevents flaming, then. --Ultimate 13:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Bah, I was just in a really bad mood (finals exams) when I typed the whole 4 hours thing.....XD

Bucketload of info, what do we do with it?

Sonic Stadium now has an anonymous source dishing out information on this game. All of it runs true to what the GHZ guy said about the game.

http://news.sonicstadium.org/story/191/

The following is copy/pasted from the site:

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Sonic News was recently contacted by an anonymous source who claimed to have knowledge on previously unheard of aspects of the next-gen Sonic game, for XBOX 360 and Playstation 3, titled: Sonic the Hedgehog

WARNING PLEASE READ: Sonic News’ source did not reveal their identity to us; they only decided to answer our questions on the agreement that they remain an anonymous source. While SN can not control what members do and say on other online communities we would ask that when discussing this article you avoid guessing or implicating anybody as its source. Members of the TSS network will be punished accordingly for doing so.

Characters

Playable Since Sonic 2006s’ E3 appearance and Silvers revelation as a time traveller many people have likened the game and its three main Hedgehog characters to Dragon Ball Z. From our sources reaction to the script he agrees with these strong parallels, likening Sonic to Goku, Shadow to Vegeta, and Silver to Trunks.

-Sonic the Hedgehog -Shadow the Hedgehog -Silver the Hedgehog

Non playable -Knuckles -Amy Rose -Rouge

-Princess Elise: Princess Elisa is connected to the Flames of Disaster. Her dark secrete is that she was used to stop them 10 years ago.

-Tails: Tails may be a playable character, the document from which the information in question originates makes mention of a ‘Tails Act’.

-Blaze: Blaze is the surprise character of the story with connections to Silver. Our source suggested that these connections may imply the alternative reality from which she and Eggman Nega originated from is infact a future reality. The Sol Emeralds also feature in the plot; however connections between Soleanna and the Emeralds are yet to be made.

-Dr Ivo Robotnik aka Eggman: Eggman is the main villain of the game, and yet his butt gets whipped twice by an evil super deity, just like previous Sonic outings (Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog). It’s also been suggested that in this outing Eggman has a twin.

Sonic News speculation: The notion of a twin doesn’t surprise SN. On the official Sonic 2006 page of the SEGA of America site there’s a flash image which, when a cursor is place on top, alternates Eggmans facial expressions from normal to psychotic. This could imply possession (the personification of his dark side) or possibly an alternate Eggman (twin, Eggman Nega).

Unspecified

-Forth Hedgehog (anonymous): the forth anonymous Hedgehog is crystalline in appearance. Our source describes it as a fusion between crystal/stone/emerald. This character may also be of blood relation to Shadow, and serves as mentor to Silver in the future.

Sonic News speculation: Once again DBZ parallels with the plot can be seen. It was Gohan who served as mentor to Trunks in the show. If these parallels remain consistent then it seems more likely that the forth hedgehog is a blood relative of Sonic, maybe even his son, while Silver is the relation of Shadow.

Plot

-The Iblis trigger is an event involving the deaths of several characters, effectively leading to the Flames of Disaster (the name is what it is) destroying the world.

Voice actors

The voice actors featured in the game are those used in the Sonic-X television show. The exception to this rule is Silvers, whose voice is still to be cast (the voice featured in the E3 trailer was only temporary).

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Now my question is, what, if anything, should we put in? The info from GHZ was different as the guy is proven to be a Sega employee but I have no clue how reliable Sonic Stadium is. mad_cat_42 22:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Sonic stadium is USUALLY pretty reliable. However, this is the first time they've posted something that was from an anonymous person...so I think we should just ignore the bucketload of info until it's all confirmed by SEGA itself.

Blaze the Cat

I read somewere(sonic cult) that Blaze is going to apper in this game but don't get to hyped up yet, I read it but found no proof. I just want to see if anyone heard of this also? Blaze also could be the 4th player because she is just like sonic, with speed and all.

TSS and Sonic News ARE very reliable, but we don't know if their source is or not. They've even stated themselves that they don't know if this source is reliable (at least I think they did). Right now, let's just keep it quiet until we get an official confirmation (though I do believe it to be accurate). Speaking of this, YOU don't know about The Sonic Stadium?! It's only like... the biggest Sonic the Hedgehog fansite online! Unless, of course, you're not actually a Sonic fan and are simply posting the info. --Ultimate 17:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am a Sonic fan, reason I don't go there is because I don't like large sites. I prefer moderate-sized forums with a tighter community. But anyway, I'm wondering if some of this could at least go into rumors. mad_cat_42 04:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well so much for that idea. Someone decided to post it anyway. Now we may as well just leave it alone. --Ultimate 13:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

HOLY HEDGEHOG. Where does this stuff come from?!?! Whew. Okay, there's a LOT of unusual stuff there. Here's what I think....

Silver/Sonic/Shadow - I think it's an interesting trio. Light/Medium/Dark, Future/Present/Past, all that good stuff. All the speculation about who's related to who seems to be somewhat junky though. Then again, legend has it that Shadow was purposely designed from Sonic (something like, Gerald saw the murals depicting SuperSonic and decided to base his ultimate life form from them) so the relation could be something other than blood even. Plus, I think having the three different hedgehogs with three different powers sorta differentiates the three, so that they're not just clones but separate entities with separate powers. In any case, I think that the three main hedgehogs should be the only playables, as they create an interesting trio with no visible room for a fourth.

Tails - PLAYABLE CHARACTER?!?! That just makes no sense! Unless Tails serves his original "I'm just going to follow Sonic and someone can control me if they want" purpose, I don't see how this would work. Maybe, though, he works like Tails Adventure, Tails Sky Patrol, or SA2B here. I just think that Tails by himself is (no offense) kinda weak compared to who else we know is playable.

Blaze - NOT a name I expected to hear with this. It caught me by surprise at first, but the comparisons to alternate worlds and the connections between Soleanna and the Sol Emeralds are interesting. I also think that she is the most likely fourth playable character, as she already has shown to be a match for Sonic.

Eggman - First, I think the only thing close to a "twin" that he might have is Nega. I see no real difference between the two images on the website. However, more interesting to me is the comment that he gets beaten TWICE by the new evil. Why would that be?

Cream - I know this wasn't mentioned here, but I want to bring it up again anywho. The "official employee" guy claimed that everyone from Sonic Rush sans Cream would be present for the ride this time. I seriously doubt this; Blaze and Cream have too much of a connection for them to not show together. Even more important, this statement implies that while Cream won't show up, Vanilla will, which is also very unlikely.

Fourth hedeghog - Keep in mind, everyone, how many hedgehogs we actually already have: five. Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Amy, and Metallix (I just like that name better than Metal Sonic; it's obvious that he is no longer restricted to Sonic's form, either). All have different abilities (though SA2B and SH say otherwise for Sonic Shadow and Amy). Count the non-games continuity, and we have many more, such as Nazo and Scourge. As such, one of them may be likely, but the claim that it is crystalline in appearance tilts the tables towards Nazo. I would really like to know where the info on Nova came from; I haven't heard that ANYWHERE.

Finally: what keeps entering my head with this is, what if this is supposed to really be resembling, say, the comic books or TV shows? We know that the Sonic X voices are being used, and if this was in, say, the Archie universe (because that mentions several different worlds), everything I just said is voided. Then we have to deal with things such as Knuckles the Living Chaos Emerald, Tails the Chosen One, Scourge the Anti-Sonic, Robo-Robotnik, and much more. Personally, although the plot is quickly becoming more convoluted, I agree with what someone on the SN page said: this is like the Harry Potter series; everyone claimed that the next book would ruin it, but it was never all that bad. Sonic's finally growing up, and he gets to have some serious action (serious in more ways than one). What I'm mostly concerned with now is, that we just have some nice gameplay, and the trailers all seem to be showing us that. So here I am, just waiting, and hoping beyond hope that the PC rumors are true - the PC rumor to me is the truly important one. I.M.Fearless 16:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

CHAO 2006

Do you think that you can raise chao in the game? From a PERSON

There hasn't been any mention of it at all, so it's unlikely. BlazeHedgehog 07:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Sonic's son?

Looking through rumours and discussions has lead me to belive that since this game bears a more than obvious likeness to Dragon Ball Z, it is thought that Sonic would have a son or blood relative. I doubt that this is the case. For you who have played Sonic Battle and Sonic Advance 3 you could assume that the 4th Character and Sonic's supposed "son" could be Gemerl (the Ultimate Phi, built from Emerl parts after Battle). As in Battle Sonic and Amy both had a son, and since he was rebuilt after Sonic Advance 3, there is a possibility that he could be in this game. This would also contradict what many people have spread about Cream not being in this game, as emerl was last seen with Cream and Vanilla!

Your thoughts please?