Talk:Adidas Teamgeist

I've been hearing in the news that a few players (Robinson, Roberto Carlos) criticize this ball as being too light and like a "polo ball". Perhaps some of this criticism should be in the article. Because at the moment it reads like an Adidas press release.

More info here: http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1791838,00.html http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/02/Sports/Champs__New_ball_fall.shtml 82.32.218.107

Fully agreed, I've heard a bunch of griping about this ball, both flom players and various media. I'm not saying that the ball isn't good, but the tone needs scaled down, and ambiguous terms like "scientific tests" should be explained more thoroughly, maybe with statistics from adidas, who, last I read, hadn't even released the results from their artificial leg test in the lab.--Josh Rocchio 03:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The standard football is a truncated icosahedron, not an octahedron Bwysock 05:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a criticism section but the quality is quite low, I'm not a great writer. Could somebody improve it please? 82.32.218.107

Chopped a lot of the adidas puffery out etc --Snori 15:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The article also contradicts itself- it claims 40 balls for training purposes in the first paragraph, but later changes the figure to 20. Anyone have the correct info?

Clarified - 40 of the std match balls and 20 of the final/Berlin version are provided--Snori 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that there should be a list of world cup balls over the years: ie fervanova preceeded by tricolore, succeeded by teamgiest. Im happy to do it myself --Skydivemayday 08:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's History of association football balls#FIFA World Cup, if you haven't seen it. Only a couple of balls have articles; if there were more, perhaps some succession boxes would be in order? Melchoir 09:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we can base them on this? : http://www.soccerballworld.com/HistoryWCBalls.htm --Skydivemayday 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

--Skydivemayday 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

After the game

I think it sould be said about FIFA wanting the balls back after each game, and how injusticed was the player Fred (Brazil), who, after scoring his first goal in a world cup (in the first match he played in it), was so happy and wanted all players (of both teams) to sign the ball so he could give it to his father. A few minutes after announcing this in tv, FIFA was there and took the ball back. Where's FIFA's heart? :( Where's the fair play in "we don't want the player's happiness, we want money"?

Plus sign

This article should not use the plus sign, except maybe once at the top, and it should never use the trademark sign. Such unpronouned, non-English decorations are discouraged per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), and they are usually dropped by the press; under various sections of Wikipedia:Naming conventions they are also inappropriate for the title. If anyone feels strongly about inserting a plus sign into the article title, please take it up at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Melchoir 00:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Nobody wants to insert a plus sign, as it is already in the name of the product, see +:de:Teamgeist and de:Teamgeist. But why do people want to remove it? Why not removing minus signs from other names, too, like CocaCola? Afterall, its only a small dot in that logo anyway.--Matthead 09:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

See, that's a great example; Coca-Cola would probably like us to use a dot, but dots aren't a part of English grammar, and neither are minus signs. The shorter hyphens are a part of English grammar, and media sources use the hyphen in their name, so we do too. The plus sign serves no grammatical purpose, and there is no symbol that ever precedes a proper name. To put it simply, the name of the ball effectively is Teamgeist, but its creators decorate it with meaningless artwork for their own purposes (vanity and trademark protection), and these are purposes we do not share. As for the German Wikipedia, they need to disambiguate between the ball and the concept of team spirit; we do not. Melchoir 19:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

and? If the football is called now +Teamgeist, this article must be name +Teamgeist. --Emijrp 21:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

+Anima, (+44), +D, +DOG+ ;) --Emijrp 21:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

If you check Google News, the ball is called (usually) Teamgeist. I haven't checked those other articles, but I bet they're a different story. And unlike a couple of your examples, no one ever says "plus teamgeist". Melchoir 21:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you've moved it again? Seriously, if you want to include a plus sign in the article name, take it up with WP:RM. Melchoir 22:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Teamgeist → +Teamgeist – +Teamgeist is the real name for this football

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