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If "Top Cat"'s "close friends get to call him T.C.", do "Boss Cat"'s "close friends get to call him B.C."? -- Someone else

Aha! I was just about to complain that the blanking of your talk page would mean that we'd never get to know! To be honest, I can't remember, but maybe someone else... I mean, maybe some other person will know... (Damn it, your name causes such confusion!) -- Oliver P. 22:31 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

You are really Someone who makes me surprised, and always seem to have a happy smile. Please spread your humour and everything you know about Hanno (or any other historical pacyderm you have records about ath the wiki I made for EEKMA.

Like here: http://www.eekma.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Famous_elephants

You will feel a sense of history on this site, seeing old UseMod again... :) Dan Koehl 23:12 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Dan, Well, I gave it a shot, I don't know the UseMod, so I hope it saved ok! Let me know what I've done wrong<G> and I may be able to avoid it on other famous elephants! -- Someone else 23:56 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

Hey great article, thanks. Hope to see you there in the djungle now and then! I dont want to change anything, its so nice with the author name Someone else.

But if you care to change, the historical persons and such can be linked to wikipedia by using WikiPedia:Article_title/name_of_person and the links goes here! Dan Koehl 21:44 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Thanx again! Its so nice thet theres Someone else interested in elephants! Dan Koehl 22:31 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Well, elephants ARE nice, and people who like animals tend to be nicer that those who don't<G>. I suspect Hanno would have had a longer life if the people taking care of him were a little smarter about elephants (but then human, as well as veterinary, medicine, was pretty primitive in 1514!) Sounds to me like he had some intestinal problem, and they diagnosed angina! -- Someone else 22:37 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I wrote an article on the Swedish wikipedia about Abul-Abbas, Charlemagnes elephant, who arrive to Europe 801 and died (in penuomnia?) after crossing Rhine 804 when he was supposed to be used as war elephant against the danes. Theres along list of historical elephants, with very short life span.Dan Koehl 23:12 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

I thought he had more than one, so he could assessorize when needs be. 'Ok! Which one will I pick?' (BAAAD joke!) On a more serious side, keep an eye out for Daeron's 'adaptions. After losing the battle (to common sense) on the Australia page, and the constitutional monarchy page, he suddenly cropped up on the Commonwealth page to insist that a commonwealth is by definition a republic. I had to reword it to be accurate. Then he popped up on the Prime Minister page to assert how Australia had no monarch (which is a logical place to state that nonsense, not!) So God knows where he will pop up next to doctor something next; the page on the Columbia disaster, with a 'Columbia had a few hours earlier flown over the Australian republic' line??? (We also had an anonymous user create a [Republic of Japan] page, which would have come as a bit of a surprise to the Japanese emperor! Is there an outbreak of 'republicanitus' out there?) It is at this stage getting beyond a joke. Making a ludicrous argument and being shot down is one thing. But then 'going secondary' by doctoring other pages to add in the same crap is going too far. If he does it again, I'm tempted to put him on the 'annoying users' page. (I believe there is one, but I don't know where!) {Maybe he'll appear on the papal tiara page next, announcing 'Unlike popes, Australia's head of state (sic) does not wear a crown of any kind!' Weird!} JTD 02:31 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree that "Annoying Users" is vastly underused - but the annoying ones quickly declare themselves. Sometime's it's useful to take a break from putting out fires and do something more creative for a bit...you can always go back to damage control when it's less annoying. Me, I'm worried about whether it is proper to describe the President of the United States in Congress assembled as a head of government... <G> -- Someone else 02:47 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC) P.S. is it true or urban legend that John Paul II contracted hepatitis C as a result of blood transfusion? I missed it in your list of his ailments (I also should dig out my notes on where removed pope-parts are kept in canopic-like jars).....

OK. I've had enough of Daeron. He went and vandalised the Commonwealth page again, twisting it around to say commonweath = republic, therefore Australia is a republic. (The commonweath page is linked to the Australia one, hence the change.) Where do I find the annoying users page, do you know? JTD 02:50 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Click on my "Annoying Users" link! I guess Massachusetts is a republic, then? Defending facts against the lies of determined zealots seems to be a particular sticking-place for Wikipedia :( -- Someone else 02:58 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Re: Hanno -- Everything looks right to me --Ducker 13:05 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

About History of elephants in Europe, great!!! (in many form and shapes)

Ill soon have something ready! (Nice with pics of Hanno. Can they be linked from the EEKMA wiki?) Dan Koehl 14:50 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I will give it a try, but I needed help to do it here (I'm not too proficient with image manipulation)...we'll see how it works. I do like the top pic of Hanno<G> - Someone else 20:04 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

is it ok just simply link the images from Wikiedia? Dan Koehl 21:56 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's ok with me. Dunno about Wikipedia's feelings. I am just no good at image syntax! -- Someone else 00:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Oh, how could you have forgotten the poor mammoths? I've just added them to the page. :) Oh, and that's an impressive list of Spencer-descendants that you've added to the Spencer family page, even if the page is itself a bit of an odd one. Where are these people's descents all documented? -- Oliver P. 15:57 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Mammoths! Feh! They're just elephant wanna-be's <G>. You're right that it works better with sentences, too. I have over 4000 people descended from Henry Spencer in my files, so I left a few of the less-known out - compiled from various places, if there's a particular line you're interested in I'd be happy to share. --- Someone else 20:04 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Ah, files! How organised of you. I'm still living in the Dark Ages, and have most of my genealogical notes on random bits of paper hidden in forgotten corners of my room, although I have made a half-hearted attempt to start putting them into my computer... And I've collected a few GEDCOM files that people have left lying around on the Internet, but they all seem so unreliable that I get quite depressed looking through them! What software do you use for genealogical stuff? I quite like GeneWeb - it's free software, you know. I wasn't really asking about any of the lines in particular; just interested in a vague, general way... But I keep getting attacked by my conscience telling me that I should be putting in references for everything in these articles, but then again, putting in every reference needed to confirm a line of descent from a mediaeval person to a modern person would make the list of references fifty times as long as the article itself, so that'd be crazy... Should we just put, "Trust me, I know what I'm talking about," at the bottom of everything? ;) -- Oliver P. 21:42 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I agree that anything that one can find ONLY on the internet is at best suspect. I've put a list of the books I've found reasonably reliable at User:Someone else/genealogical bibliography. Reasonably reliable online sources include: An Online Gotha, the associated site Decendants of King James I/VI, and Brigitte Gastel Lloyd's site with information from Leo van de Pas. -- Someone else 00:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, and that's a nice bibliography! I'll have to get hold of some of those. Well, I've got two of them already. Unfortunately, some of the others are rather out of my price range, and require trips to great big libraries to consult... Is the "Lesbian ancestors" monograph just this webpage, or is there a printed version? And if the latter, does it contain more than the online version? -- Oliver P. 00:25 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Dang! I didn't know he'd published it on the web! I think that's the whole thing (it's one of my favorite things to cite: I was familiar only with the microfiche copies deposited at various libraries (My 2nd favorite citation, for the record, is "The Church and Bantu Music"). -- Someone else 00:30 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

It is a good title, yes. :) But I didn't know that Mr. Willis had a new book out. The Descendants of King George I of Great Britain, eh? Damn, I'm so out of touch. I contacted him to ask about The Descendants of Louis XIII, when that came out, and I could swear he told me that his next project was going to be the descendants of Charles I! Oh well. I bought the Louis XIII one a couple of years ago, via Amazon. It arrived with the cover broken off, so Amazon sent me a free replacement, and soon afterwards the cover fell off that one, too. Grrr. Does the new book suffer from the same problem...? Not that I'm judging the book by its cover, of course... ;) -- Oliver P. 00:40 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Short answer: Yes. Longer complaint: Yes, I hate those bindings, yes, the cover fell off George too, no, the bindings never survive, and I'm assuming it's because they use cheap paper for the "mull": in a book that thick, they should use STRONG paper. I can't imagine any of these books surviving a week without being rebound. -- Someone else 00:48 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Seems like a discussion which could be a topic at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy:) Dan Koehl 22:01 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

The story of Abul-Abbas is there, but suffering from scandinavian english. I hope you or someone else can check the english. :) Dan Koehl 05:45 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Excellent! It's already gotten some attention, the English is fine, an odd word here and there and English capitalizes funny. I'm not sure EXACTLY what a trade village is though, I used "trading village" but I'm not sure if there's an exact English equivalent. -- Someone else 05:59 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

I wonder if Someone else has an opinion about what the danes are doing with their ancient kings, see http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konger%E6kken. They must have nightmares in their graves now, this cant go on :) Opinions? (see the discussion page, I have stated my absolute and very upset opinion there :) Dan Koehl 23:38 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

The problem is that they are not interested in history or genelogists, but thay took a lot of material from some encycklopdi. Eventuall someone checked the official royal website and for some verystrangedanish reason roman letters are avoided there. I am trying to save their <a> from future problems since they will have alot of t work to do. see the king John of Denmark at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans. Apart from that they killed a lot of langauge links, but Christian took a lot of time repairing them. (with king 4 numbers)

I just thought Ill do what I can can to convince them that this is not vise. But of course its theur decision. But imagine what will happen when the first genealogist starts to contribute, heel go nuts. (or do I really get a little to upset here?) Dan Koehl 01:09 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Well, it's easy to get excited, but probably better for you just to take a deep breath and relax...there, see, that's better!.... all you can do is offer your advice, and it's their problem (and it will be!) later... Still as long as it "maps" one to one (6=VI, etc.), it could be worse. At least you can make some sense out of the Danish! -- Someone else 01:13 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC) (P.S. do you know anything about the Stockmar counts? Just a long shot...) (P.P.S. Some <a> just cannot be saved!<G>)

Dont have anything myself, while googling I found some baronets (no counts), suppose you honeycombed google for the good old Stockmar´s? Whats the connection anyway? Dan Koehl 02:30 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I did find a bit. Just idle curiousity, one of their relatives married (well, not so much married really, more like "was involved with") Leopold I of Belgium. I >think< they had Danish ancestry. I'll just file this away for later in case I find more ancestors for her<G>. -- Someone else 02:34 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

You removed your links! How am I going to get to your bibliography now? :( -- Oliver P. 14:00 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC) (P.S. - That was a rhetorical question, since I can still find it really, but I was just wondering why you removed the links...)

Just entering "read-only" mode, lest I accidentally mention "the nationality that dare not speak its name". --- Someone else 23:52 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)