>Just so you know, there is no need to have underscores in-between linked >words here. Solar system works just fine. The underscores are ugly too - esp. >for people, like me, who have their user settings set not to underline >links. --mav
Allright, will try to keep it in mind --Golthar
If you've been frequenting the RecentChanges page, you might already expect that I am a Wikipediholic -- yep, I admit it (score = 82).
Problem now is, sleeping has switched from a full (i.e. normal) to part time occupation.... oh well - you only live once, there's plenty of time to rest later...
Woo hoo! You are my official hero of the evening!. Now if I can get me one of them GIMPs, and learn a few pictureplacement commands, I'll really be dangerous! Thanks. (thanks from Hanno too <G>. -- Someone else 08:24 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
- It's free software so you can download it here for X11 or here for Win32. --mav
Dear Mav: Hi, thanks for checking out about my concern about the Hezbollah page. We have to keep Wikipedia clear of those copyrighted articles, but it is true, government information that they publish is public domain and stuff. I just didn't think about it...lol!
Once again, thnks for checking it out, and God bless you. If I see anything else that I suspect might be from somewhere else online, I'll let you guys know.
Sincerely yours, Antonio Papparatzi's Target Martin..hehe
- You are welcome and thank you for keeping your eyes open for these things. --mav
I tried looking up "cavity" and "root canal" to see what the difference is, but there's nothing in wikipedia on them.
- not yet. --mav
Go ahead, mav, I'm not planning on doing anything with February 24 until tomorrow. -- Zoe
- Cool. I'll get to work then. --mav
Glad you're back online, mav. Activity on the wiki would drop precipitously without you. :) --Brion 01:34 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)
- LOL. --mav
- As would the civility. -- Zoe
Does the exchange above imply that there is a special politeness about doing the day pages. I would really like to add the Baha'i Holy Days in the Holiday and observances sections if it's ok.... Rick Boatright 02:36 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)~
- We try to be polite around here. But go ahead and update any page you think needs it. :) --mav
Hello Mav, do you plan to continue your project of updating the anniversary pages? I just realized there were many language links missing in the English wikipedia. The German has entries on every day of the year, the polish, the dutch and the french, too. Esperanto has almost for every day an entry, the italian seem to have entries but no overview table. It would be nice if you continue this project if you could think of the missing language links, too ;-) --Elian
- Well all I really have time for is fixing the links that are already there. French, Spanish and Netherlands are all wrongly capitalized. This is something that a bot wouldbe much better at. --mav
- OK. -'Vert
Mav, with a little luck we'll be done with transition metals by the end of this week :> Dwmyers 14:41 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
- That't great! --mav
Hi mav, I was correcting some mistakes re-ireland on the 1922 page (the Irish Free Sstate wasn't born until December 6, 1922, not 5th January as the page said. In Jan '22 two rival Irish parliaments, made up of the same membership bar four elected two rival governments, one under Arthur Griffith & one under Michael Collins, who was Griffith's minister for finance in his government (no! I'm not making this up. It was to do with the Anglo-Irish Treaty, a 'republican' parliament that had no legal legitimacy but popular support, and the other which had legal legitimacy but no popular support, and both had to ratify the Dáil, then each form a govt that became de facto one and the same. Anyway, this weird state of affairs only came to an end on 6th December when the Provisional Government and its House of Commons of Southern Ireland, and the Dáil government and its Dáil Éireann, were both replaced by a new Dáil Éireann and a new constitution. Sound any clearer? Don't worry. Most Irish can't make head or tail of it either!)
Anyway, while changing the page to reflect this bizarre state of affairs, I noticed how you have Pope Benedict XV dying on Jan 22, which is fine; he may well have done. But you have Pope Pius XI then taking over on Jan 22, which means either the shortest known conclave in history (held while Benedict was still warm: I suddenly have this image of cardinals around the late pope's body, and someone saying 'I think Ratti should be pope. All those who agree say aye! All those against say nay. Ok, Ratti, you are pope. What do ya wanna be named? Pius XI it is. Now lets get something to eat!') Being serious for a mo, I suspect that one or other either died or was elected on that date, but there probably was an interregnum period of at least one week, possibly two.JTD 07:38 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
- Those were from my daily updates. Thanks for fixing the IFS thing - it was driving me nuts and I thought I fixed it... The pope thing is odd, isn't it... Hm. The pope thing. I'm beginning to suspect that my source for many of these dates was drunk when he wrote this stuff down - I'm finding mistakes nearly every day and much of this stuff is damn hard to confirm. When in doubt, throw it out. I'll remove the specific dates. --mav
I suddenyl notice you coloured that image map of teh p-tabel wrongly for 117, that should be pale yellow not plae grey, as for 1 we are not shore if it will be a metal of mettaloid :-s -fonzy
- Hm. I'll fix that this weekend. --mav
mav, could you please clarify the story of 142.177 on the mailing list? I'd like to know what exactly happened. --Elian
- I just did. In the future could you do a bit more research before making implied accusations? --mav
- Maveric, I don't see why you have to produce such a testy reply. Elian didn't know why 142.177 was banned, so he asked. What's wrong with that? We have open decision-making around here. When Elian can't figure out what you were doing (for a perfectly good reason--he didn't know the comment described was in a deleted page), why not just answer him honestly and leave the side comments out? DanKeshet
- The logs state that the user was blocked for making threats; I can't find those threats anywhere.
- 14:09 Feb 8, 2003, Maveric149 blocked 142.177.93.104 (contribs) (yet another IP of already banned IP)
- 14:25 Feb 8, 2003, Maveric149 blocked 142.177.104.91 (contribs) (another IP of already blocked user)
- 14:26 Feb 8, 2003, Maveric149 blocked 142.177.75.53 (contribs) (another IP of already blocked user (reason: threats)
- 23:26 Feb 8, 2003, Maveric149 blocked 142.177.82.40 (contribs) (Yet another IP address of user who has already been banned for making threats)
The first ban (already unblocked) was for a violation of Wikipetiquette. That ban became permanent after the person made the threat on my meta talk page (check for yourself). Elian also mentioned that there was no mention of the ban on the mailing list.
- "First question: I seem to have missed this debate (the user has written
under IPs starting with 142.177.) Could someone direct me to some links in the archive?"
Elian obviously didn't even look. See [1]
- Thanks for the link. At that time I was doing my Masters's exam and I skipped a lot of stuff in the mailing list. there was so much traffic about "172" I misread 142 for 172 and draw no connection to the person writing articles about Islamic topics and other stuff I found rather strange but not in the least offensive.
Notice the all the subject headings starting with "142.177.xxx.xxx...". So pardon me if I might be a bit terse - esp since it was me that got the death threat. It just angers me a bit when people think that getting a death threat isn't an important reason to ban somebody. --mav
- It may be due to my insufficient skills in English but I wouldn't have seen it as a personal death threat to me. I still don't get the whole story, especially where 24 is involved. When and for which reason was 142.177. the first time banned? For suspected of being identical with 24.x or for a rascist joke on Columbia or for both at the same time? --Elian (for the next days away at a conference)
- Several of us have suspected that 142.177 was 24 for some time before the first ban (see [2] and do a find on "142"). That first ban was for the racist insult on the Columbia talk page (before the most recent disaster but on the anniversary of the Challenger disaster) - it was only supposed to be temporary. But as I've stated before shortly after that the threat was given (which scared Jimbo more than it did me at first). --mav
- Having examined the text of this 'threat', I believe it is hypothetical. The person takes a position from the perspective of a technologically underprivileged person, and does not necessarily belong to a group of people who has no control of such technology as the wikipedia. On the topic of racist remarks, further research into this IP number shows that it belongs to a network of public libraries somewhere in Nova Scotia, Canada. There is no way to prove the connection between the racist remark and the 'death threat'.
- It was a straw man = thinly veiled threat. He said that somebody who had my exact views should be murdered. He then goes on to say that if somebody else were to kill me then he thinks that I would deserve it. I dare say you wouldn't think it was very hypothetical if it was directed at you. The racial slur IP has been unbanned BTW. The only permanence came from the threat. Since when do we have to prove anything? Beyond a reasonable doubt is the best we can do and hope to be able to function. Check the racial slur IP's contributions [3] - notice the attacks against Axel Boldt (also a violation of Wikipetiquette). So when a string of IPs all with in the range of 142.177.xxx.xxx edit the same type of articles, when those edits have very similar prose/idiosyncratic POV, when these IPs all have a tendency to attack others for similar reasons, and when these IPs do a great deal of editing on meta (several different 142's on the same article), it doesn't take much supposition to conclude that most, if not all, 142.177 IPs are from the same person. Common sense must be used here esp since this person has also stated that the reason why they are anonymous is it make it difficult to track them. See also: User:142.177.106.217 --mav
- mav, I don't see why you feel the need to justify your reaction toa death threat. If people don't like what you did, that's too bad. They don't have to "live" with what you did. -- Zoe
- Thanks Zoe - I needed that. :-) --mav
異 賢 "Unusual Clever" -豎眩
- Eh? You're an odd one Steve - that's why I like you. :) --mav
Hi Mav, Thanks for the kind comments on the multiple-place names page. What do you think of the idea of making each ABC etc page into a list. The cross-screen format saves space, but it is very difficult to read. ALSO, I just had another look at the "Links to disambiguating pages". I could be convinced to give it the same treatment, but if I do I'll want to do lists there too. Gaz
Hi Mav, just got your message. I'm 99.9% certain UK law has not been changed;
- As 'heads of state' is my area of expertise, I would have remembered a change in the rules of succession if only happened in the UK, and I don't remember that change.
- In the last few minutes I have been on to the Press Office in Buckingham Palace (the Queen's desk). The person there has some memory of a change being proposed, but doesn't remember it becoming definitive. Unfortunately it is just 7pm here so the Press Office had closed so she had no way of checking. I have tried the Downing Street Press Office too and they have a hazy recollection of 'something' about it. If a change definitively had been made they would I expect know the details because it would be a big big change.
- As the change would affect the thrones in Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc they too simultaneously would have to introduce an identical law. No such law is mentioned in any of their jurisdictions.
- In 2001 Lord Frederick Windsor lost his position on the Order of Succession when he became a catholic. The ban on catholics in the Succession (or marrying a catholic) is more controversial. Given that any change in the rules of succession require Commonwealth-wide legislation, the odds are that all the issues (males ahead of females, ban on catholics, etc) will be dealt with together.
- The Princess Royal is still listed as No.8 in the Order of Succession. If it was changed, I presume she, as the Queen's second child, would jump the list to number 4, directly behind Charles and his kids and ahead of Andrew, his kids and Edward.
From what I can gather, Lord Wilson of Mostyn, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for the Home Office told the House of Lords that Blair's government is in favour of a change on both issues of the daughter's status and the catholic bar. The Queen also gave permission for parliament to change the law if it wishes. But from all the circumstantial evidence I can find, the fact I can't remember the change, and that neither Buckingham Palace or Downing Street can remember a change, strongly suggests that the change has not occured yet. With Australia still in the aftermath of its own referendum on the monarchy, nobody wanting to marry a Catholic right now, and no daughter question right now, I suspect this is one issue which, while people may support it in principle, won't be tackled any time soon, but will be left on the long finger. So I think you better take out that reference on the page; it may be a few years too premature. JTD 19:31 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
- Will do! Thanks for checking on that - that factoid was new to me to. --mav
Hello mav. Hope you still enjoy wiki. Juanan annouced that he is installing the new server + wiki3. Hope this message please you. Have fun. --Youssefsan
- Cool. Hopefully they will start talking out moving back to es.wiki as soon as the non-profit is up. I admit that one of the reasons why I haven't contributed much to es.wiki lately is because I am unsure about how a future merge would happen and whether or not all the work I do on es.wiki will be lost when EL comes back. --mav 05:14 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
- I have left you a message on my page. Things are not soo good :-( Youssefsan
Ah, the beautiful passive voice. "It was decided". I had no part in the decision, and disagree with it. --The Cunctator
- But it still was decided - just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean the decision can be ignored. --mav
- Just because I don't agree means that there wasn't a decision (on the part of Wikipedia). --The Cunctator
- What? And who gave you veto power? Consensus does not require unanimity. --mav
Hello. I was just wondering about those French-language stubs you deleted earlier. Did you just not see my arrangement with Camembert on Votes for deletion, where I said I would translate them...? I know I went away, but I was going to come back to them... -- Oliver P. 04:37 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
- Hm. No - if you like I will restore them. --mav
- They were not meant to be posted to this wiki at all; Athymik was running a test of his bot on test.wikipedia.org and something ran amok, with part of the run falling on the wrong host. --Brion 04:40 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
- Okay, yes, I realised they shouldn't have appeared in the first place, but I thought since they had, they could be turned into something vaguely useful. I'm not really that bothered about them disappearing, but since I'd said I'd deal with them, I was just surprised to see them gone. It doesn't really matter, as if I'm in a translating mood I can always go and get something more substantial from the French-language Wikipedia or something... Or the Esperanto one... :) -- Oliver P. 04:49 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
- Well, knock yourself out. --Brion 04:57 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Hi Mav, I did a tot of the votes on the question of which system of dates to use and the result came out overwhelmingly and decisively in favour of dd/mm/yy. Barring a last minute rush to the polls (you and tell I am involved in politics - I use the lingo!) the decision seems clear. The only remaining question is. when do we implement it? As we have just started a new month, it would make sense to do so a.s.a.p. so that it can be said 'as and from March 2003'. Any thoughts? JtdIrL 07:09 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
- This is a major change and should be thought through a lot first. We are only now making redirects for the International style. The next phase would be moving the day articles then somebody is going to have to write a bot to change over all day links to the new style (just the links - otherwise the bot will cause trouble where there are numbers next to month names). This last part is very important to me - otherwise Wikipedia will be mostly in the American format for possibly years to come and will have a nasty looking mess of missmatched styles. IMO without the automatic conversion the status quo is best. --mav
Hi Mav,
I have a problem with the naming of some of my articles. In the "Wikipedia naming convention" I could not find the answer. My problem is: In South Tyrol, Italy, we have two official languages. German and Italian. So, every city, every place, every mountain has two names. Two official names. What should the title of the article then be? e.g.: Bolzano / Bozen (but I have seen, the / is a problem in titles). BTW, the problem of which one comes first, italian or german, I am already afraid of that discussion... Thanks for your help, Fantasy 21:34 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
- Answer on your talk page. --mav
First, thanks for the answer. But I have two more questions :
1) Where should a discussion like this be held? Wikipedia naming convention?
2) Only recently a University in Bozen was founded: http://www.unibz.it/ You can see there on the top for the language selection:
- Freie Universität Bozen
- Libera Universita di Bolzano
- Free University of Bozen - Bolzano
As you can see, the "english" name is "Bozen-Bolzano" Can I use that as a title, or is that not liked in Wikipedia? Thanks, Fantasy
- Bozen - Bolzano looks perfectly acceptable to me. But this discussion should be moved to a place where more people interested in the outcome can see it. You can copy this thread to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. --mav
- Great, thanks. I did not put my question on that talk page, because I am still a little bit unsecure about what to ask where, and you are till now the only person I know in Wikipedia. But probably by contributing in more "public" talks I will get to know more people ;-) Thanks for your help, Fantasy
- I'm glad I was able to help. :) --mav
Hey Mav: I see you have a photo on your page? How excatly do I download one of mine into mine?
Thanks and God bless you
Just use the Special:Upload page and if you want to align the image use the text on Wikipedia:Boilerplates. --mav
Dear Mav: Thanks for answering my question so fast! I will try what you said, even if it takes me 20 times to get my photo right.
Thanks and God bless you!
Sincerely yours, Antonio The Crazy One Martin
Mav, you still working with WikiProject:Tree of Life? Some thoughts on the talk there that I would like somebody's input on, before I create more potentially invalid tables. Thanks, Josh Grosse
- Yep - I'll be right there. --mav
Thanks. Although, Im afraid it means I'm probably here too much! %] -豎眩
Just wanted to tell you, that I added the death to Current Events, b/c I notice Fred Rogers death was on February 2003. I thought I was editing March 2003. I hadn't realized I had been redirected. Why exactly does March 2003 have to redirect to Current Events? Is this done every month? Please respond on my talk page. MB 00:27 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
Mav, please see Wikipedia talk:Timeline standards. I'll hold off changing more pages pending further discussion. -- RobLa 06:09 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
Just wondering on your opion of an idea (not a big one) i had. This idea will be more important when/if a paper or cd/dvd wikipedia is made. What needs to be doen is that a British English Wikipedia, American English by taking the current English version and copying it on too different databases, some automation process to chaneg spelling. These will be locked for editing. But some times updated say every 20,000 articles. I think thsi is mroe important for wiktionary where you get different thinsg like this ike Portugese (Brazillian) etc. -fonzy (I dont know if what i sadi makes sence) :-s
- I see very little benefit by forking the project because of spelling differences. However, in any print edition it would be a an easy task to compile a list of American and British spellings and then have a script search and replace all the yank speelings. --mav
O also on the Periodic Table, we have loads of tables except for a plain table. :-s font know if you think that is needed. -fonzy
- ? Are you talking about the most recent updates to the standard table? If so, then yes, the other tables should also be updated - but I see no hurry for that. --mav
No i meant we have many special tables but no "plain" tables. - fonzy
Mav -- why, every time I think it's safe to come back, I decide that it's not worth it: Elliot's latest -- JHK
- Elliot should not have done that - it is against policy. --mav
Thank you for the deletion log link. I am updating my query to Zoe but I am also concerned that I am going bonkers, as I can still see the pages and images. Um. Caching of some sort somewhere? Lag on deletions?? Give me a clue! Nevilley 07:53 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
- It looks like Zoe deleted the image description page and not the image (there are two delete links on these blasted pages and you have to click both of them - which is really bad design). I'll see if I can delete the images and I'll also leave a note for Zoe telling her about the image page design flaw (that confused the hell out of me the first time too). --mav
- OK the pictures have really gone, thanks. At the moment the pages are still there - that is, Image:Shanghai1.jpg, Image:Shanghai2.jpg, Image:Cabottwr.JPG - but this is hardly going to destroy the server as they must be 0.47 nanobytes each or something. Thanks for your help and for your other comments (now read and removed). Nevilley 08:18 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
- Aha! Oh no they aren't! - these pages don't really exist, do they? I just tried Image:dkfjhsfdlkjls.jpg and guess what it looks the same! Doh. Thanks, and sorry about the above paragraph which is fuelled by incomprehension. Nevilley 08:21 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
- It's not your fault - the image pages just work very strangly. --mav
Could you explain how I am being insulting on
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Annoying_users
And if in the future he continues to attack me, what am I supposed to do? Susan Mason
- I told both of you to stop it. --mav
I doubt he will. Him, Zoe, Severtigo, and RK seem to have a cult of hate formed against me. Susan Mason