I'm not sure what links we should have on this page. Are we going to have articles for each of the awards? I think they work for the Album of the Year and so on, but I'm not so sure that we should have individual pages for Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group With Vocal and so on. What do you think? -- sannse 20:38 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
- I think we should have one listing all the winners (and even nominees) in each category. The information, even for the dorky Grammy Awards, is encyclopedic and proper for inclusion into the Wikipedia, and the best way to do it (IMHO) is to have a separate page for each award, dorky or not. Tuf-Kat
- Interestingly, immediately after writing this comment, I wrote an article at Synchronicity (album) and it turns out it won the Grammy for Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal. Tuf-Kat
OK, I'll add the links. Thanks -- sannse
- Ugg, I'll add the links tomorrow, it's more work than I thought it was. -- sannse 22:12 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
What do people think about renaming the year pages to 1st Annual Grammy Awards and so on? The introduction for each year would still list the year awarded in and the year awarded for, so we wouldn't lose information. It would just clarify things a bit. -- sannse 14:39 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
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Is there a convention that would apply to the Grammy listings? For Grammy Award for Best Alternative Music Performance and the year pages we have: Artist, Title but for Grammy Award for Record of the Year and some of the other awards we have: Title Artist. Which is best? -- sannse 22:42 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)
- I'd say it depends. For a Best Recording award, the title should go first. For a Best Performance/r or Best New Artist, the name should go first, IMO. Tuf-Kat
- That would make the year pages quite confusing and difficult to do (presuming we would need the same format for the individual listing on the year page as for the corresponding overall page). I think it might be better to have the same format right the way down the page, and on similar pages.
- There are also quite a few awards that don't go to the artist or the song, they go to the producer or writer or whatever. Maybe the format should be,
- [[Award winner]] for ''Title'' performed by [[Artist]]
- And if the artist is the award winner then just,
- [[Award winner]] for ''Title''
- It seems to make sense to have the award winner listed first. -- sannse 23:41 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)
- Oh, I hadn't thought of that... Yeah, then I like your scheme. Tuf-Kat
That makes sense to me, Sannse -- I've been adding lists as I get the chance (Grammy Award for Best New Artist, for example), I'll look them over and switch to that format where necessary. (I'm not exactly a follower of the Grammies -- I was a bit confused to discover that Best Pop Vocal can go to either a song or an album, but I believe I've got them all straight now -- wouldn't hurt to have another pair of eyes look.)
I haven't looked at the year pages in depth, because they look like they've been built pretty haphazardly. I think we should agree on a template, probably based on the Grammy page as far as being broken up by category. Once we've agreed on one, I'll be happy to start filling them in. (and to think, I got sucked into this because one band I like won a Grammy once, and there was no place to mention it on the Grammy page....) Catherine 17:00 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)
- Heh! I got sucked into it too - trying to fix the entries that were as someone thought they should have been rather than as they actually were. I'm not a fan of the Grammys either.
- I have started standardising the year pages using the Grammy page as a template. Grammy Awards of 1971 is in that format for example. I'll switch to the above arrangement for the individual listings, I think it should work well. -- sannse 16:42 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
Looks great, Sannse. Let me know if/where you need help. On another note, "Grammy Award" currently redirects to "Grammy" -- do you think it should be the other way around? People are more likely to type [[Grammy]], but "Grammy Award" sounds more complete.... Catherine 17:24 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
- I think you are right. The main page would be better at [[Grammy Award]]. [[Grammy]] would still be a redirect so there would be no problem with links to that. I'll do the move now.
- I've tried the new arrangement on Grammy Awards of 1971. Any thoughts anyone? -- sannse
Again, looks good. Just one question -- the Pop awards are titled "Best Contemporary [whatever]" -- is that the official name of the award? Did it get changed to "Best Pop [whatever]" at some point? Should one title redirect to the other?
Also -- we should probably move this discussion to the Grammy talk page, no? Doesn't really belong in Music Standards anymore.... Catherine 19:58 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
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- Yep, I've moved it here.
- It looks like they did change the award names. Grammy.com lists the awards as "Other Pop/Rock&Roll/ Contemporary Awards or Instrumental" and don't differentiate between the five different awards given out that year. So I looked at infoplease.com (warning: lots of pop-ups!) and got the more precise names from there. It looks like they used these award names for the 10th to the 13th. Possibly it would be better to list them on the same page as the equivalent current award. Maybe with a note on the page to explain the change? There is a similar problem with Academy Award for Best Picture etc. Personnally I find that page a bit confusing, so I'm not sure how similar the Grammy pages should be (in particular I think listing all the nominies makes the page too cluttered).
- To be honest I sort of postponed thinking about this. I was going to do the year pages and then consider how to arrange the individual award pages and whether to change the links. There may be other similar complication with other awards changing names, I'm not sure. These things do get complicated ;) -- sannse 20:40 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)
Doesn;t have to be decided right away. I think the overall page for an award should be titled with whatever the current name is -- "Best Pop [whatever]". Then on that page, we can note that "from 19xx to 19xx this category was called "Best Contemporary [whatever]". Link text should reflect whatever is chronologically appropriate for the award being discussed. I've been getting my info from http://www.rockonthenet.com/grammy/, which has it in fairly simple lists, but I'm not sure how accurate they are on award titles, so help me out if I err. Thanks! Catherine