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Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival

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Wikipedia Mediation Cabal
ArticleStarwood Festival
Statusopen
Request dateUnknown
Requesting partyUnknown
Parties involvedTimmy12,Hanuman Das,Rosencomet
Mediator(s)Geo.plrd
CommentRoom on my schedule

[[Category:Wikipedia Medcab active cases|Starwood Festival]][[Category:Wikipedia Mediation Cabal maintenance|Starwood Festival]]

Mediation Case: 2006-11-03 Starwood Festival

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Request Information

Request made by: Salix alba (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the issue taking place?
Starwood Festival and other pages linking to it, in particular
Silver RavenWolf
Who's involved?
User:Timmy12
User:Hanuman Das
User:Rosencomet
User:Salix alba
several other users.
What's going on?
A long story User:Rosencomet, who is connected to the event, added a lot of information to the Starwood Festival page. He also created (or expanded) pages on a large number of performers who have performed at the event[1]. On each of these pages there is an internal link to Starwood and also exteranl links to the pages to the Starwood site.[2]
Disputes have centered on two main points
  1. Citations on the Starwood Festival (the start of the dispute but largely solved now)
  2. Whether it is appropriate to include reference to starwood on pages liking to it.
The user conduct about this have been poor. Various sockpuppets and false sockpuppet aligations (now largely resolved). Numerious instances of failing to be WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, WP:BITE.
Currently User:Timmy12 and User:Hanuman Das are at odds over whether its appropriate to include critical material of Silver RavenWolf. Neither user is happy for the other to add material on their talk pages, and have frequently removed posts from the other.
Actually, I am the one who objects to the inclusion of inadequately sourced criticism in an article about a living person. I have no objection to adequately sourced material. WP:LIVING requires to err on the safe side if the sources are dubious ones. The "criticisms" which are being added are from blogs, self-published websites, and amateur book reviews. These are not up to the standards required by WP:V, WP:RS, WP:LIVING or WP:EL. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 17:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure why these issues have been lumped together, but as to the Silver Ravenwolf criticisms (which I have not, as yet, weighed in on) I don't see any reason to include "negative things people have said about the subject" in an encyclopedia article. The sources are not noteworthy, as Ekajati has pointed out, and it would be a terrible precedent to include a section of random detractors' statements in authors' articles. Where would it end?Rosencomet 16:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


What would you like to change about that?
The discussions follow WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:NPA.
Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
Open discussion fine by me.

Mediator response

I'll mediate. I believe that it is acceptable to add critical material to balance an article. Geo. 20:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

See my comment above. This is inadequately sourced material and the article is about a living person. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise offers

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Discussion

While using the talk page of the article in question to solve a dispute is encouraged to involve a larger audience, feel free to discuss the case below if that is not possible. Other mediators are also encouraged to join in on the discussion as Wikipedia is based on consensus.

User:Hanuman Das has been blocked [3] for 48 hours for a personal attack [4] against User:Mattisse. --Salix alba (talk) 09:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mattisse has now been filed against User:Mattise. --Salix alba (talk) 08:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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