Talk:The Dark Tower (series)

Sean William Scott as Eddie? never

Sean William Scott is not mentioned in this article. Tuf-Kat 22:42, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

If they were to make a Dark Tower series of movies (not likely) I think Jason Lee would make a good Eddie.

Did the Great Old Ones speak English? The rex

Yes, they did.

The High Speech

Does anyone know what is the difference between the High Speech and the Low Speech? I'm slightly confused.

Elix

I think High Speech is like elvish, where the Low Speech is like English

No, in the second book it says that the High speech resembles English, although letters are dfferent. The language differences are not used, like everyone can understand each other, except from some words.

Where do you base that elvisch speech on? - Redmess

High Speech seems to be a cultured version of English with many loanwords from unknown languages (perhaps Amerindian languages). Low Speech is probably a low-class High Speech with a smaller syntax. The rex

Low and High speech are like english in that they are presumely "Germanic Languages", although technically not because "Germanic Languages" don't exist in All-world, but that's spliting hairs. The language difference is used once in the Keystone world when Roland speaks with Calvin Tower about selling the lot, but it is not used often. 01:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Chronology - Song of Susannah

Has anyone looked at that section?

If so, is it supposed to be that confusing?

-->I've found the whole entry to be confusing...I think it needs some major overhauling altogether. It's confusing for me, and I've read the books (many times). How do you think someone not familiar with the series encounters this entry? You want a good example of what this page should look like? Check out Nineteen Eighty-Four or The Lord of the Rings. --Drew First 17:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Jack Mort

I offered a deletion request for Jack Mort a while back. Somebody made it redirect today, but the old data wasn't directly pasted in, and I don't think it should be lost, so I am putting it here for somebody else to maybe verify all the data is in the article. -- RevRagnarok 02:29, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Jack Mort appears in the second book of the series titled The Dark Tower II: The Drawing of the Three. 
When Roland enters his head/mind, he discovers that Mort is the one responsible for the accidents that befall not only Susannah but that he is planning on pushing Jake into the path of oncoming traffic.
Sensing that this man is a monster, Roland has only one option : kill Jack Mort and 'Draw' the actual third 'person' from the dueling personalities of Odetta Holmes and Detta Walker, Susannah (later to be added) Dean. Roland does this by forcing Jack to throw himself under the very train that took Odetta's legs and tricking Detta to look into the 'doorway' and acknowledging both personalities.

I've read the whole series twice, but I don't recall where it was verified that Jack Mort was Walter... can anyone give me specifics? Thanks Airbrush 07:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Jack Mort isn't Walter. When Jake is pushed under the car and dies and appears in Mid-World, he mistakes the "man in black" (Walter) for the man (Jack Mort) who killed him because they have a superficial resemblance. Roland later kills Jack Mort by forcing him under a subway train. Walter (aka Randall Flagg) is killed in the last book by Mordred. (He faked the leftover bones from the long palaver in the first book.) There was, however, something about Walter possessing Mort to push Jake, but basically Mort is a different guy from Walter. Foday 08:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Keystone world(s)

The way I read it, there were two "keystone" worlds (another twinner thing, do ya), what could be considered "our" world, and Roland's world ("Whereas the tower is represented by a rose on some worlds, an immortal tiger on others...Here it is itself, the Tower"-Fake Stephen King). I seem to remember Susanna mentioning something to this extent as well. Can anyone verify or care to correct?

You are certainly correct, there are two keystone worlds as you describe. The quote you give however is not the relevant quote, but I'm pretty sure the correct one can be found in one of the last books. (5 or 6). -- Redmess -- 4-2-2006

There are two keystone worlds, but King leaves it to the reader's imagination if ours is real or "fake" like Eddie's orginal world. Actually, ours might be "fake" as there is no Holmes dental company or Tet corporation. Foday 08:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

All-World (Roland's World)

Isn't it misleading to call All-World "Roland's World"? Mid-World is Roland's "home-world", and in itself seems separate from All-World, or the Keystone World, although it is "closer". Mid-World is where the baronies, Gilead, Mejis etc. is located, and I'm not convinced that the two are the same. If they are, then why is it called Mid-World? Passing through a thinny or similar seems to be required to get from there to e.g. thunderclap and the other places in the Keystone World. TH 08:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Technically, Mid-World is a part of Roland's world, but it's not where Gilead or Mejis are found. Those are found in In-World; Mid-World is, "one of the large kingdoms which dominated the earth in the times before these. A kingdom of hope and knowledge and light--the sort of things [the gunslingers] were trying to hold onto in [Roland's] land before the darkness overtook [them] as well." (Waste Lands p 164). All-World seems sometimes to mean the totality of In-World, Mid-World, End-World, Thunderclap, Can-Ka No Rey, and even Garlan; other times it seems to be a term more synonymous with "multiverse."Drew First 17:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Roland's is from Gilead, which is in In-World, not Mid-World.

Roland speaks of how his world ended long ago in Wolves of the Calla

Jamie DeCurry

I seem to recall a description of Jamie DeCurry stating that he had a large birthmark that covered part of his face. I can't remember, though, where I saw that or who mentioned it. Anyone remember the source for that? Drew First 16:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Sussanah Dean - Odetta Holmes / Detta Walker

I think that all three personalities should be displayed for the character list, not just Dean. Anyone else agree? CompIsMyRx 22:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

They are in Susannah because Susannah is the merger of the Odetta and Detta personalities. — [Mac Davis] (talk)

It is one character with at least three personalities. To avoid confusion, we could call her the Lady of Shadows, as in Walter's tarrot game. - Redmess 14:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I worry about spoilers. I think Lady of Shadows may work. Because the sections on Sussanah are marked spoiler, but LoS in the template doesn't reveal anything. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 14:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

It's high time to seriously overhaul the Dark Tower (series) article. It's a mess, with far far too many detailed spoilers, a synopsis that isn't written for readers unfamiliar with the books, and focuses entirely on extended plot descriptions that are better suited to pages on the individual novels. There's nothing on the writing and publication histories, critical reaction, cultural impact, or good explanation of its impact on the King-multiverse for new readers... just for a start.

Suggested reading for editors interested in fixing this are: Harry Potter and Star Wars. The Lord of the Rings article is also very good, but the Potter and SW series have to cover an amount of material more closely aligned with Dark Tower. Star Wars & LOTR main article doesn't bother with a "characters" section, and the Potter article offers a quick spoiler-free 'graph on the most major characters. Gutting and merging the character articles would be a good place to start, yes? Chris Stangl 03:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think we really want this article to look like Nineteen Eighty-Four. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are a little bit different in that there is a lot of popular culture around them. In this article, the main piece is probably the Outline of the series, providing a synopsis of each book. If we get like Nineteen Eighty-Four, we're good for featured. — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Dark Tower connections

What, exactly, ties the books to this series?

Also, in his book The Running Man (writing as Bachman), General Atomics is a prominent tech company. It (or at least G-A) is mentioned in the DT series. PrometheusX303 12:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

http://www.thedarktower.net/connections/

http://www.thedarktower.net/connections/essay/

http://www.thedarktower.net/connections/roadmap

As far as I know the only Bachman book related to this series is "The Regulators," which is also connected to its companion book, "Desperation." Ruthfulbarbarity 21:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. I was wondering why the linking elements weren't mentioned in the article, but it looks like it would be difficult to be concise with them all. I may be mistaken about the General Atomics link. PrometheusX303 21:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't mention it.

There's actually a link to TDT Wiki hosted by the folks at thedarktower.net, which is usually the best source of information on these matters.

At least, so far as available online sources are concerned.

Ruthfulbarbarity 03:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"Don't mention it." Sorry. Already did. PrometheusX303 13:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

- I see that the connection to Skeleton Crew/"The Mist" is listed under Wizard and Glass. I always thought the connection to be the creatures seen below Blaine in the land outside of Lud. Weren't the giant birds in "The Mist" pinkish pteradactl-y creatures, or were those just the bugs? If you don't find that to be the connection, where do you see it in DT4? Thanks! Rjeso 19:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you ever got an answer to your question, and I don't have my copy of DT4 handy, but if you recall from "The Mist", the bugs and pterodactyl things werent the only things in the mist. There were also the Tentacled squid-like beings, the big spiders and of course, as the were driving to Hartford, the Creature that was too tall for them to even see anything but the leg that almost crushed them. Hope that helps, or I could be completely wrong. Could I get someone to back me up or correct me? DaemonKnight 08:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Glossary

I moved the glossary to The_Dark_Tower_(series)/Glossary. It does not belong in the article, but possibly in conjuncted articles. — [Mac Davis] (talk)

Until it finds a better home... — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 13:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Part of the Ka Tet - My 2 pennies' worth

I have just finished the DT series and probably this is the best story I have ever read.

I found that more than with any other novel or series of novels, I found myself being "drawn" into the characters' world. And felt, slightly, that I have been living 2 parallel lives for the last few months.

I think this has been due to several facts:-

Realistic multidimensional characters AND development thereof.

Eg Roland becoming "human" again after years of barren living both physically and mentally it seems. And always struggling to do the right thing for his Ka Tet AND The Tower.

Eg Eddie kicking his addiction, meeting Susannah, etc.

Fantastic cross-world storyline and moving from genre to genre with (apparently) graceful ease. This was remarkable, in that at once we were reading what seemed like a Western which developed into a Mafia story, Psychic Thriller, Quest Adventure, Vampire Horror, Crazy yet highly compelling.

I laughed when King himself brings up the subject in a conversation, I think between Roland and Eddie (please correct me if I'm wrong) where they discuss genres in stories and I think Eddie says it simply is "not done" to switch genres half way through a story line. Nice touch Mr King.

I think we have soooo many adventures, palavers and meetings along with these guys that we can only treat them as friends at the end and feel loss and grieve their departing.

Still so much remains unanswered. It's great. Like what really happened to the rest of the gunslingers between the period of returning to Gilead from Magis, what led to the battle of Jericho Hill?

What happened to Kort? He was a guy wasn't he? What a great character! I understand he was poisoned perhaps?

What happened during the years between the battle of Jerico Hill and the period of the books themselves.

Novels could be written to fill in the gaps and answer these questions. Fantastic. I hope that either Sai King or others can work on this.

Thank you Mr King for giving us these rich experiences. These other world than this one to live in for a brief time.

I feel I have been enriched by knowing and having Roland, Susannah, Jake, Eddie, Oy, Pere Callahan to call my friends for the last 4 months.

Re: Ending - YES I did feel it was a little underdeveloped. But perhaps Mr King was tired and wanted to go to bed (speaking metaphorically). I am with him 100% though - the journey is more important than the end. Perhaps Ka dictated the ending to Mr King eh? Perhaps that's just Gan's song huh? Perhaps I just did not want the story to end :-( . I read the endings now need to move on...

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dhaesler (talk • contribs) 05:52, 7 August 2006.

I wasn't exactly pleased with the ending either, but it just felt like it was the right ending, whether you agreed with it or not.DaemonKnight 09:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad to have yet another DT Junkie among us :) Take care --Xasf 11:17, 7 August 2006 (GMT+3)

We have our own template, so I figure there must exist a fair number of us.

Ruthfulbarbarity 21:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

And yes, Cort was poisoned, presumably by someone enlisted in the service of the Crimson King, or his chief factotum, i.e. Randall Flagg/Marten.

Ruthfulbarbarity 23:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You can get find a lot of other fans at forums such as [www.thedarktower.net]. --Ellissound 08:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

There's also a link at the bottom of the page, IIRC.

http://www.thedarktower.net/

Ruthfulbarbarity 22:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

DT.net looks really good, but it may take a while before your account is verified by the staff. Just a warning, as I can see that it's been nearly a month since new accounts were last accepted.

Books in the Series: Everything's Eventual

I'm deleting this. Yes, Little Sisters in in there, but it's not one of the seven main books. Ellissound

Technically speaking, the yet to be released comic book series shouldn't be on the list of books in TDT series either.Ruthfulbarbarity 22:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm removing it.--Ellissound 02:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

We could make a branch-off article with books that are linked to the series. - Redmess 14:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Stupid Question

The article states that "Guardians were based on novels like Shardik (for the bear)" I'm sure that Eddie said in wastelands that it was named after the evil rabbit in watership down, not the novel (see, stupid question) --Tower Junkie 13:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have my copy with me today, but I think Eddie mentions Watership Down because Shardik was written by the same author. Looking at the wiki entry for Watership Down, I'm not spotting any evil rabbits named Shardik there. Deafgeek 08:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Deafgeek is right; the evil rabbit in Watership Down was General Woundwort. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Shardik certainly has resemblence with those rabbits. I cant find the page where Eddie says this though, does anyone know? - Redmess 15:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Eddie states that"...I associate it with rabbits. Isn't that nuts?" on page 35 of the Plume paperback edition(Ch 1 Pt 9). Gaffa 10:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)