User talk:Heathhunnicutt

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User:Example

Hey, I owe you an apology; you listed that subpage off of User:Example earlier today, and when I removed it, I used the "rollback" button, which we usually only use for vandalism. Since you're a legit user, I feel the need to say "sorry for using rollback instead of a regular revert." If you need any more help, you can find us on IRC (like you did earlier), or ask at my talk page.

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We're so glad you're here! -- Essjay · Talk 06:24, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about it! You were a huge help moving the page for me. The funny thing is, I'm so new I didn't know I could take a roll-back personally! Heathhunnicutt 08:51, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mumps

Archived

Mumps dates

I'm not link happy, I just did that so the dates are formatted correctly. Thanks for adding them back :) --Joshuagross 22:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. Amazon.com reviewers don't seem to like it. I follow the rightly dividing (II Timothy 2:15) system of studying the Bible, letting the Bible itself place every verse in context and understanding the different dispensations of God.

I like the idea of converting it to a table too... if you want to post a sample here or on the mumps page I'll help you work on it. --Joshuagross 00:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Betacommand

Im sorry but i could not understand what you were talking about, and thus could not respond Betacommand 17:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC) P.S. what is a borg?[reply]

When I respond to a comment i do it to there talk page.

please see

[[1]], [[2]], [[3]], [[4]] disscusion with User talk:Evan Robidoux
[[5]], [[6]] about my status changer
[[7]] about a mistakin warning
[[8]] [[9]], [[10]], [[11]] about reverting an IP

thanks Betacommand 00:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vaccines and fetal tissue

The americano centric bias is so strong that the article is in factal error if you live anywhere else. It also reads like a copyvio.Geni 19:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mumps Vaccine

Mumps vaccine should point to Jeryl Lynn by all means, but also to Urabe and the old killed vaccine, and to where it is usually found - MMR becoming MMRV. I'm actually quite unused to using brandnames on medicines at all... and certainly the type name (disease + vaccine) should not point directly to a single brand. I don't see a likely way to do all that pointing directly from "mumps vaccine" in an article, and therefore some sort of intermediate page should be there. Call it a disambig page, perhaps, in that it disambiguates "mumps vaccine" into Jeryl Lynn; Urabe; mixtures containing and given and so on. An alternative does the same thing by putting the articles all onto the same page, effectively, but you don't like that approach and there is a tendency to split rather than lump in WP. Another alternative in use elsewhere is to essentially put the page that is mumps vaccine into the top of each separate page on a type of mumps vaccine. My feeling is that that would be a bit more cumbersome and that there is about enough to have a page mainly doing a quick redirection. Midgley 23:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of those are intended. By all means make it more clear that the Mumpsvax can, in the USA, be obtained as a separate preparation. (Mumps vaccine can't currently in the UK - no licenced preparation, and no supplies as far as I know. I think eponymous preparations should include the person - I don't think the lady in question is yet clearly notable enough (or has enough publicly known about her to write a biographical piece) so it would be unreasonable to have a separate page for her - the redirect of the person page to the vaccine page is expedient, and when she and her company become famous it can be decomposed into separate articles. In http://ganfyd.org I'd almost certainly have put in an InterestBox on the person in the article on th vaccine, but they are not fashionable in WP, where all the story tends to be dropped into the page. This conversation probably belongs on the talk page of one or other of the articles - would you like to gather it up for there? Midgley 23:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather see her picture on her namesake page, too. Why not add it? Heathhunnicutt 23:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright. She might possibly offer one though, if she pleases. I used the contact form on the firm to enquire and notify them of the article... Midgley 00:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments on the talk page are unWP:CIVIL. Please moderate your attitude. You may wish to consider whether they are actually text you wish to stand, after you read the links from the article itself. Your accusations breach, not for the first time WP:AGF and I suggest that better results come from not doing that. I suggest you nominate a mediator for the Jeryl Lynn article, or we put it up for RFC on the article and get a wider view on how it should go. I don't like the way it is written at present, try reading it aloud ... but I'll leave it for the moment. The redirect may be on of these but I've not used that template. Midgley 01:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template entry: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. I urge you to first consider, and then discuss with some other suitable person (see request for mediation, mentorship, or pick a senior and respected admin or other editor of your choice) whether your various comments around Jeryl Lynn are acceptable. You might care to refactor or sinply remove them. I'm quite tired of the personalised incivility that a proportion of lay people are displaying over vaccine articles - it is an invidious process which does not enhance WP. Midgley 09:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

removal of merge tag; series of insulting/uncivil edit summaries

These merge tags I removed were added by you after you removed the delete tag I added. You're like Mr. Pot hanging out with Mr. Kettle, Midgley. Heathhunnicutt 21:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your removal of a merge tag[12] was clearly improper, please do not do so again. I have listed the article, and others, in RFC in order to canvas community opinion on how to structure this area.

Your edit summary[13] was inaccurate, and even more clearly improper. Please either cease doing such things, or present an explanation. (I'd suggest you discuss it with someone if you find this a difficult choice). Midgley 10:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, whatever. You criticize me for such trivia as removing your merge tag attacks, but you have the gall to roll back admin edits that were intended to defuse this dispuate. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mumps_vaccine&diff=54825320&oldid=54814120 Heathhunnicutt 17:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions that two articles should be merged are not attacks and should not be taken as them.

Will you seek mediation (I think this is the third or fourth time I've suggested or asked you to involve someone else and take advice) on either the articles, or the dispute you seem to have with me? A rapid reply and action if in the affirmative will be apprecciated. I note that user:Ombudsman has recently joined your name to an ArbComm proceeding[14], I suggest you might want to look at that if you are not already aware of it. If you are aware of it and it is because of a disucssion over a separate channel, I suggest you look at the comapny involved, and consider very carefully whether any advice you might get on how to behave from such quarters is the best and most appropriate for you to follow. Midgley 17:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As you already know, I have involved a couple of Admins in our disagreement already (that is, prior to your creation of a mediation request). Their solution was quite fine with me, but you reverted it. I will respond to your RFC in a reasonable amount of time today. As for Ombudsman (talk · contribs), while I disagree with much of the content he has contributed, I agree with the one statement I see he has written which includes my user name. Heathhunnicutt 19:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I didn't know that. If someone edits I assume they are an editor. If they identify themselves as an admin, fine. But what of it? Admins are editors. Midgley 21:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is intriguing that you, who reached out to a coporate PR company in an effort to get off-topic edits into Jeryl Lynn via your new redirect Jeryl Lynn Hilleman, would assume I am in contact with Ombudsman. In fact, I am not in contact with that person, although I am increasingly coming to agree with his views on wikipedia. For the record, I am working alone. I see you and Andrew73 (talk · contribs) usually cooperate against Ombudsman. I meant to stay out of the squabble you all perpetuate. Heathhunnicutt 19:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have now three times been corrected on this matter and persist in asserting it. It is false. You are fabricating, and ascribing a motive to me which is unfounded and based upon a wholly unreasonable premise. It makes me wonder whether you are actually the user who insisted upon making a signature appearing to be The Invisible Anon. However, again, what of it? WP is the absolute opposite of secret, and I find it bizarre that you present notifiying someone (through the only available channel, her company) that an article - Jeryl Lynn - (concatenatively) named after her now exists as though there is something wrong with it. Midgley 21:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might reasonable restore ANdrew73's remark, that we are not associated, and presumably agree partly because of both having had medical training.

Number of articles

Some months ago, a discussion took place around the article which then existed on the DPT or DTP (I forget) vaccine. The conclusion of it was that there was no need to have the article, since articles on them existed. The guiding principle from that, whch I think a good one, is that one should avoid excessive multiplication. You are in agreement with Ombudsman on another matter, since he likes to write his anti-vaccinationist article (always esentially the same one) under the heading of each brand name and generic name possible. It is not likely to go onto WP 1.0 I think. Midgley 21:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am beginning to wonder if you are paranoid in the technical sense of the word. I am not working with anybody, nor using the other user names you have accused me of. Heathhunnicutt 21:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My sole reason for dividing the Mumpsvax article from the MMR article is that they are actually different products, avaiable disjointly. Similarly, the Jeryl Lynn strain is not the vaccine but the strain it is made with. They are actually not the same things. Heathhunnicutt 21:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My edits to most of Ombudsman's pages have been in a vein of toning them down. For example, I removed his links to autism from some project page he operates. I am not an anti-vaccinationist. I am a pro-informationist. People must be encouraged to know what they are being injected with. There is no reason, in this day and age, for blind trust of Physicians like yourself and drug companies (even excellent companies such as Merck). Blind trust is for dummies. What the wikipedia needs is dosage information, contents information, and citations to appropriate publications. Heathhunnicutt 21:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... "in agreement with" in British English does not mean that you have met and discussed anything. It means that you both have similar opinions on one specific matter. Is this different in American English? I see that the example of Ombudsman's repeated article has lead you to think I considered you an anti-vaccinationist - not so, it was purely a reference to the multiplication of small articles on overlapping topics, which can be carried far enough to reduce the overall usability of the reference. At the risk of giving an example, Alastair Cooke, American citizen and Englishman who made his bones working for the BBC and other media, wrote that an American would never describe someone as _called_ John Smith, if that was his name, whereas we would. The American would say he was _named_ John Smith_ but might add that he was called Bruce, if that was his usual nickname. Midgley 22:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Over to you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-05-24_jeryl-heath-midg Midgley 17:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia - good spot

Good spot :D. I used to think thats how it was spelt for some obscure reason! Cheers Tmorton166 (Errant Emote)^talk 01:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

en-WP is an encyclopaedia about things that happen in English speaking countries?

There is a comment in a tag on Mumps vaccine applied to a mention of the first live mumps vaccine - the Leningrad-3 strain routinely used in Russia and several soviet countries since 1950 which says: "and this is relevant to the en wiki how?"

It might be argued that I have misunderstood the purpose and scope of the encyclopaedia, but my understanding of it is that it is an encyclopaedia written in English[15] about all the things in the world that would usually be regarded as encyclopaedic, in order to be read by and useful to those reading English. Thus, the articles on Japanese culture and French couture will be written in English despite their provenance.

An alternative view, that it is an encyclopaedia presenting only those things that are done in the Anglosphere and taking care to give prominence to the introduction or way of doing something in the Anglosphere over how it was or is done elsewhere seems to me to be less good.

That is why an article on Mumps vaccine should hold an account of how it is done in various places. Midgley 21:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When I added that comment tag, the sentence was adjacent to another sentence in the preceding paragraph. The duplicated use of "monovalent mumps vaccine" seems unfortunate in that the lay reader will think all monovalent mumps vaccines are literally the same thing. Therefore, the sentence about Leningrad-3 as a monovalent mumps vaccine was actually obfuscating to the audience. Naturally, the vast majority of the en-wiki audience is from the Anglosphere, and optimizing for relevance to the audience is good.

I agree that the account should remain. You can see that I moved the sentence to its own paragraph in order to disambiguate the two monovalent mumps vaccines in question there. But you throw the noun-phrase "monovalent mumps vaccine" around so much it must be confusing to the audience. In my opinion.

As for your examples including French couture, I am completely struggling to understand why that would be a relevant example in your mind. Even in that article, the material is likely organized in a way that is relevant and useful to the reader.

Heathhunnicutt 05:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ACPU or SPDU articles

If you're that interesting in ACPU or SPDU, please, by all means, go write articles on them. Just make sure to follow Wikipedia's Manual of Style. 1/5 of the citations is more than enough for STS-116, however.--Miguel Cervantes 01:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The correct solution is to expand references across the article, not to disdain a well-referenced section. Heathhunnicutt 06:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disdaining the section, I'm merely saying that the focus of the article is on the mission itself, not on the ACPU or SPDU. Yes, it's good that they are referenced, but a point is eventually reached when more citations will take away from the fact being referenced. A link to an article on Wikipedia about those two would be far more helpful to the average reader than poring over seven different sources. I wasn't trying to demean you when I mentioned writing an article; my knowledge is limited in regards to that area, as is, I'm sure, most of the population's. You seem to be either interested in or familiar with these things, and Wikipedia could benefit greatly from your help. --Miguel Cervantes 20:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Kindly leave my signature as it is.

There you go. See the new Mission Payloads section in the article. If you had read the references, you would have seen the relevance. Your signature seems deliberately misleading and I detest your practice of misrepresenting your username. It prejudices my opinion of you that you would obfuscate your username. Heathhunnicutt 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MMR

The so-called retraction is spin. The Wikipedia article says, "this conclusion of the study has been retracted". The title of the so called retraction is "Retraction of an interpretation". There is an enormous difference between someone correcting an interpretation and retracting their own original conclusions. Further, there are a lot of conclusions in the original study that these twelve authors still support. 80.247.92.120