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  • Image:PatriotsLogotype.jpg, Image:AFLLogotype.jpg, Image:BroncosLogotype.jpg, Image:Buffalo_bills_logo.jpg - copyrighted sports logos. -- Zoe 22:21 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Copyrighted, or trademarked, or both? This may be a bit more of a grey area. :-\ -- John Owens 11:01 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Logos are annoying. [Warning: uninformed legal assertions follow] If this were a non-profit encyclopedia without a GFDL license, we'd probably be able to coerce the owners into giving us permission for free. But unfortunately trademarks are incompatible with GFDL. Once licensed to GFDL, another football team could start up using the same logo, citing GFDL's explicit lack of restrictions on reproduction. It's a similar situation with caption requirements on photos. Without more stringent restrictions on reproduction, we can't guarantee photographers will be properly credited. -- Tim Starling 07:16 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Cochonfucius - created by new User:Cochonfucius, a misunderstanding, probably. Even if the person is famous, the article contains only a link -- Rotem Dan 13:31 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • He's not famous, judging by his web page. Just some random french guy. -- Tim Starling 07:38 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • See Talk:Cochonfucius. "Cochonfucius" appears to be a pseudonym of Jean-Baptiste Berthelin, who is apparently a cognitive science researcher of some sort. Perhaps someone better at French than I am can work out what research he does, and whether we can get enough information on him for an article. -- Oliver P. 08:23 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Goldtoken.com, little more than an advertisement. Also Turn-based gaming. -- goatasaur
    • Then you need to take down all things like Battle.net and stuff like that, or change it. -- Ilyanep
    • This belongs in the pages needing attention page
      • Battle.net is one of the largest gaming communities on the Internet. Wikipedia has no articles for game services such as Popcap, Playsite, Pogo and so forth. Goldtoken.com is no different. -- goatasaur
    • Some facts: 227,000 Googles for Battle.net. 4,900 for Goldtoken.com.
      • Okay, but we should still keep it, and build. Or at least keep Turn-based gaming, since it's a rather interesting 'technique'. ilyanep 23:20 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • HowStuffWorks - blanked; stub anyone? -- Notheruser 12:47 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I am a big fan of HowStuffWorks. I am working on a full article, but have not gotten the whole thing finished/posted, on the history, etc. of the site. I created the stub as a way of getting started. I am fairly new at this, and am not clear on the principle I am violating here that would lead to deletion. There are pages for eBay, Yahoo!, etc. so it does not seem unusual to have articles on the history of major Web sites (HSW has 50 million page views per month, according to published reports). The stub I created was short, yes, but factual and unbiased.
    • But there was nothing to what you included but one sentence and a link. If you want to keep the article, which is not a problem to have here, please write a more encyclopedic article. -- Zoe
    • We have a minimum standard for articles, below which people get annoyed. If that's not on Wikipedia:Most common Wikipedia faux pas it should be. The anonymous fan should have written a proper article offline and then submitted the whole thing, but s/he is a newbie and wasn't to know that. The page should be deleted at the end of the 7 day period, if it isn't improved. -- Tim Starling 01:56 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Micheal Hale - looks fake (including the recently added entry at List of mathematicians: 1860-2003?) -- Notheruser 13:28 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Image:Hale.jpg should go with it, if it goes (which I support) and while we're at it, Image:Tux.jpg, now orphaned, from the same contributor, who only made a logon to be able to upload those two pictures. (And before you say "we could use a cute picture of Tux the Linux penguin", take a look at it.) Its only use was for random vandalism at nuclear pulse propulsion. -- John Owens 19:58 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Tux.jpg is used in the linux page. ilyanep 23:37 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • I have deleted the doped Tux images. Only proper versions remain. Evercat 23:41 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Internet search reveals the photo is a priest from Berkley named Robert Hale -- 65.94.49.6
    • If Why Cows Moo is famous as the original contributor claimed, it should be in the catalogue of my local university library, one of the largest in Canada. And guess what? Nope, ain't there. Nor is there a "Hale, Micheal". So, it means he's an obscure celebrity and saved the world and was unrecognized. --Menchi 00:24 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Micheal is the Irish language spelling of Michael. How likely is someone supposedly born in Afghanistan in 1860 to have a gaelic first name. This is complete BS from someone who vandalised Tesco with the summary TESCO SUCKS. Delete. FearÉIREANN 00:22 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Why Cows Moo", a children's book published in Sydney in about 1936.
    • Note the page has moved to Michael Hale -- Evercat 12:36 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • This article is, on the face of it, completely bogus. The picture page has the annotation "Father Robert Hale of Incarnation Monastery in Berkley, California", not Michael Hale. The bovine disease fails the Google test. "Why Cows Moo" is a children's book, (not written by a Michael Hale). I think the burden of proof now passes to those who wish to keep the text. Delete. -- Anon.
  • Honcho
    • Dictionary def copied from 1955 Websters. --mav 07:00 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Sexophobic
    • Badly titled, and removing the dictionary definition and POV statement leaves absolutely no information. (I'm assuming the phenomenon actually exists) Tuf-Kat
    • Yeah, it would be a challenge to actually leave some information and rename the page sexophobia or something. We could at least try. --KF 07:17 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The word sexophobia isn't in the Oxford English Dictionary or at dictionary.com, but Google finds "about 493" webpages. However, they give it different definitions: "fear of the opposite sex"[1], "fear of genitals"[2], and possibly others. To be NPOV, we could discuss all the different uses of the word. Or we could delete the page on the grounds that the term is not widely used. I don't really have an opinion, to be honest... -- Oliver P. 09:07 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Expresso.jpg, misspelling, copied to Image:Espresso.jpg. -- Wapcaplet 15:53 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Redirected. Of course, history remains as with all redirects, images or article. Not a bad thing I suppose, so one can confirm the original authorship, or photographership, I suppose. --Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Pavo - an ancient stub, with unresponsive reference website, rather non-article that hardly can be made into shape. Kpjas 16:37 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I've redirected it to peafowl, but come to think of it, is there any reason for Pavo (constellation) not to be at Pavo? If there are no objections, I'll move it there. -- Oliver P. 16:48 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Knowledge frame. I don't know what to make of this. It looks like an out-of-place polemic, but I've been wrong before of course. - Hephaestos 21:15 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Impeccability -- belongs in the dictionary, not here. MB 22:26 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Richard Kostelanetz - copyright (it's a resume too :) -- Notheruser 00:02 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. It doesn't matter if it's copyrighted or not, it's blatant self-advertisement. --Menchi 09:58 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Marcel Petiot strikes me as just a little bit bogus, so far. -- John Owens 10:19 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I've replaced it with a stub -- sannse 10:45 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • It's a namesake though. The previous one from the 14th century "served ale and indulged in great frivolity." [emphasis added] Anyway, what a horrific doctor! And you're speedy, Sannse. Speedy. ---Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Wikipedians' favorites -- Martin
    • It seems to be a more liberal and therefore possibly will-be more active form of Wikipedia:Brilliant prose. But the screaming Header1 is horrible. --Menchi 10:53 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Nope, it's a list of Wikipedians' favorite (for eg) music, NOT a list of Wikipedians' favorite articles on music. Martin 11:22 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Whilst browsing through the image list. I cam across the following giant jpegs.
  • They are all orphans, none have copywrite info and were all uploaded by the same user - User:Mjanich. A notice offering help in resizing was put on said users talkpage by User:Lee Daniel Crocker on 26th April this year. There has been no reply. I think we shoud get rid of them. Theresa knott 13:23 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I disagree. Those photos were most likely taken by the uploader, Michael Janich, himself. Janich is a businessman whose company provides some of its services to Hong Kong, and before that, he travelled to Asia. Resized images can be used on Singapore and Hong Kong articles, with larger versions linked to the caption. They are very detailed and high-quality, you can even see the expressions on some of the faces of the pedestrians and diners. --Menchi 08:22 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. Perhaps someone could link them to the appropriate pages so they dont just sit there, wasted. Theresa knott 13:23 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Avraham Stern - an interesting case. The original poster says the text is "about" to become copyrighted. I've asked for clarification. A number of other users have edited the page, so I think it would be a shame if it had to be deleted. Evercat 21:18 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Shi Fu - "Shi Fu" is just the Chinese translation for "master." And could mean the master of any art, not specifically Wushu. It's just a general Chinese term, nothing special to be noted about it. Jiang 01:56 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Liliuokalani of Hawaii seems to have been rubbish since it was created last 12th March -- Arwel 19:20 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Not entirely rubbish, although it was brief. I've expanded it a bit. -- Oliver P. 22:48 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)


  • Kaiô Michiru, Benburb - Both of these were created and subsequently blanked by anon. contributors. They both have info in their histories, but I don't know enough to determine whether they're newbie experiments or accidental blankings. -- Minesweeper 00:51 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • All the phobia articles created by this anonymous user
    • Most of these are probably non-existent. Outside of the top half-dozen most common, there are a few rare phobias and the rest that persist on Internet lists of phobias are linguistic exercises with no real world correlant. In any case, these are all dictionary definitions. Tuf-Kat
    • agree, most are clearly fictional, I've deleted one already. jimfbleak 06:50 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I'm no expert on phobias so I don't know if they are genuine, but the ones I looked at are more like dictionary entries than encyclopaedia articles. I vote to move them all (including the one jimfbleak deleted without listing it here first [tut tut]) to the Wiktionary, where the word experts can decide whether to keep them or not. GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Paul Revere's Ride - just the poem. jimfbleak 06:50 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Not sure about this. It's surely out of copyright. Is it doing any harm? GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
It's not encyclopedic. Do we really want articles that are just copies of text? How about an article The complete works of Shakespeare? jimfbleak 17:02 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
You are right, of course. I would vote to move it to Project Sourceberg, if that was up and running, but as far as I can make out it is not. Oh, let's bin it then if you feel strongly about it. GrahamN 17:11 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Interstate 91, Interstate 95, Interstate 15, Interstate 5, Interstate 10, etc. -- Copyright. Anon, 18 Jun 2003
    • They are just lists of information. All that has to be done to remove any "creative expression" from the original writer is to rearrange the sections. Information, by itself, cannot be copyrighted but the unique and creative presentation of that information can. --mav 08:15 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to keep them. GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The above have been fixed. The choice and organization of the lists IMO follows a highly logical order that cannot be considered to be a "creative expression" (just like a alphabetical listing in a telephone book). But the prose that is there should now pass the Google text. Any other copyvios Anon? --mav 05:36 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)


  • Image:La2.gif Looks like a newbie expt. Not intended for the encylopedia Theresa knott 09:06 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I think that if after a week or so no good reason emerges for this being on Wikipedia then it should be binned. GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Talk:Zatre is an orphan talk page. The corresponding article appears to have been deleted, so let's delete this too. -- Timwi 09:47 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to bin it. GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Talk:Dago - idem. Some interesting discussion, but with the subject page being deleted it's very hard to understand. Andre Engels 10:14 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to move it to the Wiktionary. GrahamN 15:39 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Debye length - just a link as of now, maybe someone can make a stub out of it -- Notheruser 17:11 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to bin it. GrahamN 15:14 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • WeakyWeaky - does such a thing really exist? Kingturtle 23:38 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Seconded -- Timwi 23:43 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • That's an interesting example of an article falling through the cracks. Ericd commented on it back in January, but he didn't bother doing anything about it. -- Tim Starling 01:20 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to bin it. GrahamN 15:14 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

The following images he lists as fair use but gives no indication of source, a requirement to protect wiki should any dispute arise over whether they are indeed covered by fair use.

The following image he lists with the questionable justification that it belongs to the Government of Canada as is as a result public property.

IMO we should delete the lot of them. Better to be safe than sorry plus it gives a clear message that coprighted material will not be tolerated.Theresa knott 09:02 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Remainder of discussion moved to Wikipedia:Copyright issues/Images


  • Ken Mondschein
    • User:Someone else added him a few days ago, as a "query rather than a vote", but maybe we should have a proper vote about him. He's a writer, but I can't find much about him apart from in his own online writings. -- Oliver P. 16:48 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Shakespeare's Sister - sitting around since oct 22, 2002...contains but two external links. Kingturtle 19:05 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I've lengthened it slightly. Mostly just adding lists of songs, admittedly, but will it do for now? -- Oliver P. 22:48 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
-- Ram-Man


  • Alexander III - material duplicated by the disambiguation page Alexander; any pages that pointed to this page I have already disambiguated. -- llywrch 04:30 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Someone vandalised AIDS Kills Fags Dead (which previously was a redirect). Then someone deleted it. I restored it as a valid redirect (and will list on VfuD. Martin 08:48 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Counter-Strike tips - we are not a gaming help site, Rmhermen 13:06 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree. While an article about counterstrike (maybe even incorporating that into it) would be ok, this seperate article is not. Ilyanep 21:09 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • David Anez - useless as-is. - Hephaestos 19:39 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Doesn't seem to exist (already deleted?). -- Timwi 20:35 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Yes, I deleted it. It contained graffitti only. -- JeLuF 20:43 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • It's back again, so I'm putting this back in as-was. Oh, and upholding its deletion. -- John Owens 23:08 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Gott straf England - A dead stub. If this was real, it was very unpopular. Not even German yahoo showed any page. Only 1 English Google link (an entry of a soldier's diary -- authenticity unascertained), except the two "WP" pages created by that banned person. --Menchi 04:53 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I actually would let that one stay; the English translation (God punish England) comes up with 91 hits, and the first page is all in that context. - Hephaestos 04:59 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The banned user named it wrong. It's "strafe". --Menchi 05:11 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Aha. My conjugation is lousy too. ;) - Hephaestos 05:16 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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