Talk:Trouton–Noble experiment
I'm reading from the same notes as you, Reddi. It is quite clearly stated in [1] that the Trouton and Noble experiment was flawed, and that this is the reason for the null result. This experiment may be equivalent to MMX in a theoretical sense, but it is certainly not equivalent in an experimental sense. MMX succeeded in unequivocally ruling out the simplest aether theory, but judging by these links you have provided, Trouton Noble experiments have not yet succeeded in reaching that level of accuracy, despite technical improvements.
As for your change "even if the aether existed as proposed" → "If the aether exists as proposed" -- I've never heard an aether theory proponent state that aether theory is correct as proposed. The null result in MMX proved that at the very least, the aether theory needed modification.
-- Tim Starling 15:22 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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I have read a few more than what i have listed here ... these are just ome of the good ones [not all but some] ....
How about stating that in the original article [original flaw and current corrections] .... and mabey state that TNX-like are more accurate? May be a good to state the reason to the readers of the original's null result, what do you think? This is equivalent to MMX ... MMX and TNX are both trying to detect the aether [testing the same theory]. Why do you say it's "certainly" not equivalent in an experimental sense? I was under the impression that BOTH are trying to detect the aetheric "torque" on electromagnetic phenonomen [one is energy on a plate and the other a ray of light (which is electromagnetic)]. One didn't detect the torque and the other's detection was irregular ....
[this is a good link on what the MMX and TNX (among others) tried to test ... Baez is a neat guy http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html ... from this other link i got the impression that they were trying to measure similar things (ala aether and the electrical phenonomen interaction)]
Now as to MMX succeeded in /unequivocally/ ruling out the simplest aether theory .... I would like you to read up on michealson's and morley's own feeling on IF the MMX rules it out ... and I would like you to read a bit on Dayton miller [other ppl could be cited i would imagine, but the experimentors themselves and thier close friend miller [having his own impressive creditals] are pretty good to cite]. The MMX doesn't prove anything ... that's why it's so famous [I'm serious ... even the entry on MMX says it's the most famous failed experiment =-].
Ok on the original TNX being imprefect .... but do these links I have provided say that the TNX-like experiments aren't as precise? Hmm ... i'll get back with you on th .... have to reread some of the links.
Do you know what the original aether theory is? I haven't read the 1911 def in a bit [a few month or so ...] but i believe that was the theory accepted today .... go to the aether article here in wiki and look up the 1911 link @ the bottom [btw, there's another whole article to the link [it's a 2 page entry of the OCR scan but they don't inline link them together] ... just been lazy... ]
Hmmm sorry that you've never never heard an aether theory proponent state that aether theory is correct as proposed [that being the aether and aether-drift] ... it's kinda interesting ... and what michealson, morley, miller, tesla, maxwell, and all them worked off of .... kinda good company to work off of IMHO (if you are going to try to detect it) ... the null result in MMX proved proved nothing [they didn't detect anything] ... mabey the aether theory doesn't needed modification but an experiment altered or a new one developed to prove the established theory [that they worked off of 100 yrs ago].
more later ... reddi 01:06 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)