User talk:Bishonen

Please don't spam this page with multi-user messages soliciting my vote for an RfA or telling me about proposed new policies. I do look in on WP:RfA and the Village pump from time to time, so I will see them if they have been posted there. All messages addressed to me individually are most welcome. Please put new messages at the foot of the page!

My saved bits, Second subpage

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Behind the times

Thanks for the picture of John Rich. I just now noticed it there (not on the watchlist). I also saw tonight that Flores and Blancheflour has been heavily edited since I wrote it (of all things). Geogre 03:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello! The 1755 Lisbon Earthquake is again a FAC. Can you give your opinion? Thanks, muriel@pt 12:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OECH

(el orden exaltado de la carta higienica) — you honour me deeply, bish, this is the second time you award me with toilety assets; whatever have I done to deserve this? dab (ᛏ)

I too am honoured and humbled by the prestigious award which has been bestowed upon me, and will cherish it always. Semper terge post perpetrans, as the ancient saying goes. Worldtraveller 01:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anti 'T' bias poll not yours

...Just shows that you and your toiler paper holder article are the centerpiece of all Wikipedia humour. That's why the page is in your user area. r3m0t ^talk 12:03, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Comedy Gold!

For this and everything ETPH I hereby award you the very first Comedy Gold award. Great work ensuring Wikipedia has a community that can focus on the lighter side of life as well as the serious. violet/riga (t) 12:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're late. There's already the Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png which he recieved today (or maybe yesterday?) from me. r3m0t ^talk 14:41, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with more than one! Lets see the barnstar for constant efforts towards the cause and the other for an individual act of excellence. :) violet/riga (t) 15:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nothing wrong in spades! They're both lovely, thank you both so much, and please, please everybody keep telling me I'm wonderful, I can't tell you how addictive it is! :-D --Bishonen|Talk 16:51, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Warning

Be very careful when you open the toilet paper holder, Bish! There is something small and nasty lurking in there. --Uncle Mortimer Doom 22:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Trust you had a nice weekend basking in the glory; of course all the awards are yours by right (the rest of us really just picked up the cues and tried to embroider your work), though I must admit I was pleased to have a nice socialist star from Viajero to myself. So, where next? Any other 18th C. gems up your sleeves? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:15, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

More violation, that's what I say. I chip away at imagism, so to speak and am thinking about the Robert Creeley article. I've also adopted an ideal of yours for my Talk link in my sig, as you can see. Filiocht | Blarneyman 10:31, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

1755 Lisbon earthquake

If the Talk page is to be believed, 1755 Lisbon earthquake was named a Feature Article today! Thanks for your support, and my apologies for the misunderstanding during the last round of nominations. (I was distracted and irritated by the media controversy related to the false "hanging priests" reference on Wikipedia, and like Muriel, I think I felt embattled all around. I bit you for no reason.) Sandover 05:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

help requested

Dear Bishonen, I wonder if you would mind moving Ohþere to Ohthere, please.--Wiglaf 19:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You aren't an admin :O ? You're one of the first people, I'd think of for a nomination. Unfortunately, I can't nominate you, because I am not an admin either.--Wiglaf 19:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oo. violet/riga (t) 20:00, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, help, no, please. Thank you very much, but [coyly] it's actually not for want of offers . --Bishonen|Talk 20:12, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting nominating you, just that I'd noticed someone needed a page move and went off to do it (being the resident WP:RM monkey). A little big-headed of you to think I was nominating you for adminship, don't you think? Hmm? Hmm? (I actually did think about it, and you'd make a great admin) :) violet/riga (t) 20:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Not an offer? OOOOOoooooo. My head isn't that big any more, it already exploded from all the compliments. They're quite undeserved, as the so kindly lauded nihilartikel is far from being "mine", but who cares about that (chortle) ? --Bishonen|Talk 20:48, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Countdown deletion

Unsurprisingly, nobody gave a damn. RickK was kind enough to shoot it down in two sentences, though.

Oh well, it belongs to Wikipedia now. Let that do with it what it will. If nothing, then nothing. At least I've added another victim to the list of failed proposals for extending deletion. JRM 20:37, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

Good Evening

For Heavens sake!: I leave this place for five minutes, I have been wrestling with crocodiles and cobras and you allow TPH and Buckingham Palace to fail, the latter got what the Brits and their Royals deserve! Did you see the comment "Ugliest building" about people with taste[[1]]? that was from one of them too, albeit one that has a name that sounds like something grubby on a wall. No wonder their Empire lasted little longer than one miserable century - no national pride you see. Well I've done my best for them, they're on their own now, can manage their own heritage. I shall be off wikipedia for a while longer as I'm bound for the USA, I'm told there is electronic communication in those parts but who knows. Stay out of trouble!!!!!!!. Giano | Talk 21:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Punctuation

How were my corrections to The Cantos in quoting style "inappropriate punctuation policing"? Please refer to the discussion at the Village Pump, where this matter was discussed. -- llywrch 22:06, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Now that I see what you were doing, apology accepted. Please consider that the tone of my note above was more one of puzzlement, rather than attitude. (And thanks for fighting vandalism!)

I probably should have used different language in my edit summary that commenting about standardizing on American practice -- but faced with the 2 choices & no other basis to choose, I figured that topic decides style. (There were a few British spellings in the article which I didn't even consider changing -- the chore of converting italics to double quotes was enough for me, thank you very much!) And I probably should have discussed this with Filocht first -- he appears to be very proud of this article -- & rightfully so. -- llywrch 23:35, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PFD?

Yes, the "nobody seems to be aware of anything until someone cries VOTE" problem is universal. It basically ensures that unless your proposal is so incredibly awesome or uncontroversial that people immediately embrace it, you actually don't have to bother with any sort of proposal. Local improvements: yes. Site-wide improvements: no, forget it. Of course, once you get to the vote, there's no time to make constructive improvement anymore. So it's do or die for the proposal, and the "do" depends on a simple majority vote. For user-initiated proposals, there is no possibility for consensus, unless you happen to strike gold with a brilliant idea that captivates minds and fulfills a real need.

Needlesst to say, CD isn't it. I did put CD on the Village Pump and I mentioned it on the VfD talk page and I dropped it in IRC for good measure. Short of asking Ram-Man to go spam everyone on my behalf, I don't know what else to do.

Proposals for deletion? Where flawed proposals can be eliminated? :-) Actually, while everybody is just brimming with ideas for improving the process (vide the comments generated by my little straw poll on the VfD talk page, they don't agree with each other at all. Everyone seems to think there's a different crucial problem VfD is suffering from, so maybe VfD is the best flawed solution we have after all. It can't be all bad if everyone thinks something different is wrong with it. The one problem that does crop up with some consistency is that it doesn't scale: VfD nominations come in faster than we can process them, or at least have a tendency to do so if we don't watch it like a hawk. But deletionists think this means we need to expand CSD, while inclusionists think be much looser on VfD and simply use it less (or even not at all). Geogre has some very clear, consistent and useful ideas on the subject that, unfortunately, are based on premises inclusionists most soundly disagree with. Po-TAY-toe, po-TAH-toe, and unless Jimbo himself comes down from Mount Wikimedius and speaks out on what sort of encyclopedia this will be I don't see that changing.

There have been so many proposals for "fixing" the deletion process that people are probably tired of it; they sure were tired of the last batch. Deletionists and inclusionists never see eye to eye on anything, personal opinion with no basis in fact runs rampant, and at this stage, I can't see how things will ever be improved until the backlogs grow so large that the maintenance process really becomes intractable and we're forced to cut the knot one way or the other.

Deletion, pardon the pun, seems to be a black hole on Wikipedia where huge amounts of time and effort disappear into without noticeable improvement to the encyclopedia. Sane people stay away from it. I think it's time I valued my sanity again.

Now look what I've done, I've defaced your talk page with a brain dump. I'm sorry. Feel free to delete it. :-) JRM 22:25, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say, JRM, that I came to largely the same conclusions with my Managed Deletion scheme. It wasn't just that people who came to vote didn't read the talk pages (where they'd have seen all their objections discussed), but they didn't seem to read the proposal itself. "Power grab!" was the most absurd charge of all, as you know, and yet that's what shot it down. I got pats on the head for trying, but no barnstar. No. The work I did trying to figure out something that would prevent abuse and deal with the issue of scale simply drew up the unthinking lines of "us and them" again. I'm interested in a far more academic encyclopedia than most of the "inclusionists" are, and for that I must be "OMG! Against information!!!" or something. It only takes 8-18 months of that kind of accusation to make you retreat to your cave, where you just write 18th c. articles and let the disks fill with TV jokes and then go off to abuse (technically) speedy delete powers. Geogre 03:17, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Buona sera Svezia

Oh Please! - Archive at least half this page, we all know you have lots of correspondence, but we don't all have endless time to wait for the page to download, I am back in my favourite hotel, and have just had a pleasant luncheon and a bottle of Château Pétrus and nothing to do until this evening - would you like me to start sifting through and archiving what I see fit and deleting accordingly? Giano | Talk 19:22, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments

I've decided to personally thank everyone who commented on Wikipedia:Countdown deletion, but you get special thanks for convincing me to give it a shot after all. I thought it wouldn't go anywhere, but people are actually picking up on it. Even if it ends up going nowhere, it's been worth it. So ! JRM 21:11, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)

Gosh!

I feel like Norman Maine or John Norman Howard. I just need that bottle of pills and a roadster. Geogre 23:30, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cantos

Hi I 've been away for a couple of days and had no idea. Thanks for riding shotgun. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:22, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

I've just been looking at the history. Who would have believed that we had so many lovers of modernist epics amongst us. Not to mention lovers of commas. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:36, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

David Garrick categories

Hi, could you comment out the categories in User:Bishonen/David Garrick until its in place? Its coming up as an article in Category:English actors. Thanks! Jihg 12:33, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Modesty?

the "pretty" part doesn't fit very well either?; let others be the judge, I say. Filiocht | King of Regulars 13:45, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Wierdly, I was planning to say much the same! Anyway, while I am her, please could you bend your enormous intellect towards David Helvarg, the expansion of which I have just completed. I fear that it has become garbled but I have become too close to the piece to judge. --Theo (Talk) 20:44, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And I was tuning in to say something to that effect too — in any case, thank you for resolving the gender confusion resulting from this two edits :). — mark ✎ 22:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Theo's "while I am her" is the bit that worries me. --Bishonen|Talk 01:52, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Filiocht | King of Regulars 07:49, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC) BTW, I'm at 'distinguished' myself, never having quite made handsome. Filiocht | King of Regulars 08:31, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

The fingers type distinguished, the face says grizzled. Filiocht | King of Regulars 13:56, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

I am neither her nor there. --Theo (Talk) 00:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Those were some very kind words. -- Netoholic @ 19:38, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)

Drunks

What on earth do you know about intoxication, I though it was one glass of distilled smorgasbord every alternate Christmas in those parts; I of course could write a featured article on the subject (were I not so busy and important, travelling the world at the moment). I shall be back in the and of the world of the Wikisoak towards the end of the week, when I hope to finish off poor old Frank Petre, at the moment he needs a new lead, so until then avoid the liquor.......Giano | Talk 06:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How's tricks?

Yes. Busy. I get in a few potshots at Wikipedia, but that's it. I have two or three other things going IRL. Kim's going to be disappointed he doesn't get those VfD statistics soon enough. :-)

Ah, and me not appearing on IRC is what probably struck you as unusual, right? IRC is the first to go when you're busy, you know—at least for me. :-) JRM 13:02, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)

ETPH rv nonsense

Hi Bish: I saw your "rv nonsense" edit summary on ETPH and expected to find the page blank. --Theo (Talk) 00:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Another woman!

Hey Bish, for some reason I've only just realized you're a woman, and so feel I ought to reintroduce myself or something. Glad to see another one of us around. Best, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:51, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Why hello there Sweetheart!

So your out the closet are you, as you may have guessed I am not a woman but a man, dark haired, rugged featured and considered by many (including myself) to be wildly handsome and irresistible, but with a soft caring centre, witty, amusing, athletic and sophisticated. A bit like the bloke who used to be in the 1980's Cointreau advert - you know the one in the dinner jacket who seduced the woman by telling her about the sun kissed oranges, well we have lots of sun kissed oranges where I come from - perhaps you'd like to come and see them sometime?. In the meantime, If you can try and put this vision (I know its difficult - I understand) out of your mind for a minute could you copyedit Francis Petre for me as I think he is nearly ready for his trial by FAC? Giano | Talk 11:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OMG what have I done! Closet come back, come back! Cat, get back in that bag! Curse the creature! Bish|Bosh 11:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

.........and the there are the fine hairs on the nape of the back of a beautiful woman's neck which are gently kissed by the sun, which remind me so much of the Goddess Venus as they ripple in the gentle sunlight, as I slurp my cointreau........

Yeah, slurp about a gallon of it, by the look of things.--Bishonen|talk 22:17, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute

Hey there, many thanks for your message, it was kind of you to spot me:

Hi! I saw your message on Geogre's talk page, which I was giving a check-over because I know Geogre is having major hookup problems atm and won't himself have much chance to read it. He'll be back, but I don't know when, so if your problem is at all urgent, I'm afraid you'd better take it elsewhere. As a housekeeper at peer review, though, can I just ask you about your statement that WP:AD "recommends that in cases of accuracy dispute, you should call for peer review, but WP:PR says that peer review is only for articles close to featured article status"? I thought I was finally finding out why people keep listing accuracy disputes on peer review (creating headaches for me), but when I checked out WP:AD, I wasn't able to find the recommendation you mention. Am I missing it, or is it possible you were thinking of a different page? I see one mention of peer review on WP:AD, indeed, but that's in the infobox, and states quite correctly that PR is for getting articles up to Featured status. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check it out and let me know—it might solve some of my housekeeping problems! Bishonen|Talk 03:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) (P.S. If you do have an accuracy dispute problem, WP:RFC is the place to list it. Bishonen|Talk 03:09, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC))

Check the history of WP:AD :) You weren't able to find the inaccurate referral to WP:PR (in fact, the two inaccurate referrals!) because it (both!) was (were!) removed on April 7th by User:Mark Dingemanse who also spotted it! Hopefully that will make it easier for all of us. I have left a note of gratitute at Mark's talk page. Cheers for getting in touch with me. VivaEmilyDavies 15:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ha, turns out I've solved some of your housekeeping problems :) — mark ✎ 17:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Itallics

Change what you like! All help welcome Giano | Talk 06:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm mortifying please read email, Oh woe is me! Giano | Talk 12:02, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have big crocodile tears arolling down onto my sunkissed cheeks Giano | Talk 14:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have no fears my little Cara-cointreau, I was emailing you even as you left your message. Taxman liked it, that's enough for me, I shall die happy. Perhaps even Mav by tomorrow morning will be buying a ticket to New Zealand to view these wonders of civilization, saying thank you Giacomo for alerting me to my ignorance of these architectural manifestations of a God. In the meantime sleep well! Giano | Talk 21:07, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ancient text dumps

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't doing substantial work yourself, or that the contents aren't original writing. You were just included to help make the point that such things need to be handled with a light spirit, and not taken too seriously. By the way, I see that somebody has decided to take his ball and go home after much "stress" and "harassment" (aka constructive criticism). --Michael Snow 17:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Magnanimous

What a kind generous person you are! Giano | Talk 08:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I was referring to your kind vote for may latest humble unworthy little peice of scribling on FA (Today it is St. Humble's day) in the catholic Church! If you want to be bold over by high Italian art and aristo-culture check out my latest magnificent peice of high brow writing Doria Pamphilj Gallery its going to be only for thise with a very high IQ when its finished! Giano | Talk 09:24, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PS: Where do you keep finding these dreadful people to keep fighting with? Giano | Talk 09:25, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And are you really real, or just a female-impersonator e-mail account? Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:05, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

It's not a bad bargain, really. I get to be called a pretty boy and all I have to give in return is my life. I like it. Filiocht | Blarneyman 11:05, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

What you talking about on my speaky page, Beautiful Lady? I no understand you, you wanna buy an ice-cream yeah? That Pcpcpc he gone and stuffed his head up his own - I donno the Englisha word Giano | Talk 17:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey! You wanna see something I gotta newa copy-editor, check out edit history of Doria Pamphilj Gallery (that will be the page Man) He'sa called the Toybox. You canna go back in the sauna anda binga drinking, più cordiali saluti mia cara-cointreau!

Yaeh yeah yeah you very witty but what you mean about Pcpcpcp? I no a getting it? Giano | Talk 18:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anyway i dunno mind the Toybox, cos' he left my artists a properly titled, not with the Americano-Ingleseing of the names - how they like it if I start a page George W Arbusto or Presidente Peli-Pubici No they notta like it all I am thinking! Giano | Talk 18:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ohhhhhhhh! I see, I thought you meant Loch Ness had risen from the deep! what a relief. Giano | Talk 19:53, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

But I do seem to have a stalking non-editing spook all of my own!. Very strange! Giano | Talk 22:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Beauty contest

File:Robertredford.jpg

Caesar 09:27, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I feel degraded and demeaned. To think you'd ask me to compete in a cattle market. And with a Latin! Women; you're all the same. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:39, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not be racist! My sunkissed race were creating a great civilization, while some other gaellic tribes were still swimming about in the bogs! Giano | Talk 08:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

All I meant was, what hope does a pale Celt have against a tanned Adonis like yourself? Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:53, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

All right, enough already with the disfiguring my page with your ugly mugs! Freaks!--Bishonen | talk 10:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How did Fil find out about your eating disorder? I have never seen him on IRC, where its is most apparent. --Theo (Talk) 13:25, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Aaaahh! Filiocht | He who knows 14:56, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Hrrrmmf. I'll concede that it's not unknown for my nick's "awayer" on IRC to move directly from bish_lunch to bish_dinner, but what's wrong with a healthy appetite? The unhealthiness, if I may say so, Theo, lies all in being noticing of these things, and now pass me that bish_snack!--Bishonen | talk 16:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Omniscience is, indeed, a great burden; but, "unhealthy"? I think not. --Theo (Talk) 08:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Theo, if you really knew all, would you "think" not? Filiocht | He who knows 08:49, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

For the omniscient, to think is to know and vice versa. --Theo (Talk) 11:29, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) (PS It is very comfortable here on Bish's talk page. Should we move in permanently?)

Don't think it: be it. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:03, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is comfy, and the views are nice. Let's move in for a while and see how it goes. Anyone for tea? Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:16, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

We'll have to do something about the chintz, though. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chrome and black ash, anyone? Filiocht | Blarneyman 13:36, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Somehow I never though of Bish as a white shag-pile sort of person, just goes to show you can never tell! Giano | Caesar 13:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OMG. Comfy. Chintz. The squatters are coming, bearing strange insults to my modernist functionalist understated Japanese-screened Scandinavian talk page. And bearing edit conflict upon edit conflict!--Bishonen | talk 13:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your support on my RfA; it's a honor to be supported by someone with your impressive contributions... yes, right up to the European Toilet Paper Holder (comic genius, that). :-) I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 13:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)