User talk:Jdforrester/Old Archive 6
Archives of earlier items from this page are available here, here, here, here, and here.
Note that I am likely to reformat, delete, or otherwise alter what appears here...
This is only a generic IP
I didn't vandalize yr page, i dont even know what Tribalwars is about or the page even existed until u wrote something in my page. This IP is a public IP at a restaurant anyway, anyone who comes into the restuarant would have a chance of getting this IP. Cheers. =)
Emptyness, stretching on forever
Gosh. Nothing here yet. Maybe I shouldn't clean out so much at once? ;-)
- Whohoa first post! Theresa Knott (ask the rotten) 22:39, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- How about deleting this? Brookie 21:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Naming of Peer's heirs et al.
elements cross-posted
Heya, I've noted that you've been adding heirs apparent to a number of our article on Earldoms and the like, but that you've been giving people titles that they don't (yet) legally have (not until their father dies); Wikipedia convention is that we don't preemptive entitle people, so "John Stewart Sholto Douglas, Lord Aberdour" is located thusly until he does in fact become the 22nd Earl of Morton.
Thanks,
James F. (talk) 15:49, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Hallo, nice to have some one to talk to. Thank you for pointing this out to me. I haven't known that before. If you find such an entry, please make sure that it follows this rule. I will change what I still know that I added such an entry there. Yours,
- V_M_1974 (talk) 17:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MET)
Wikimedia Quarto: Retrospective
Hi
I did not know you qualified !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28miscellaneous%29#Retrospective
- I'm pretty sure that I don't qualify for it under this account, and I've forgotten/lost the other one (though that probably qualifies). Never mind, though. :-)
- James F. (talk) 12:03, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Houses and gardens categories
Thank you so much for voting against my proposal to delete some tiny categories which I created myself. I only did a couple out of nearly fifty counties, I'm not going to do the rest, and I don't suppose any third party will for ages and ages, if ever at all. This will leave an inconsistency, and is no incentive for me to continue my major efforts to categorise the UK county and city menus. It creates an anomaly in category:historic houses in England the Bedfordshire etc houses can't properly be put in the main list. I am the most industrious categoriser of UK articles and usually an advocate of small categories, but I think that this time I went too far. Could you please either:
1) Do all the other 45 counties yourself in the near future.
2) Reconsider your vote.
Thank you.
Wincoote 02:51, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- You are aware that tree traversal display of categories is a feature that we're likely to get quite soon, aren't you? That means that items in subcategory bar of foo will display in foo. E.g.:
- Category:Historic houses in England
- This category is for historic houses in England of any type or size, including country houses, other architecturally significant houses, and houses associated with notable people.
- Articles in category "Historic houses in England"
- via Historic houses in Bedfordshire
-
- L
- Luton Hoo
- W
- Woburn Abbey
- via Historic houses in Buckinghamshire
-
- A
- Ascott, Buckinghamshire
- Aston Clinton House
- B
- Boarstall
- ...
- via Historic houses in London
-
- via Historic houses in Islington
- via Historic houses in Kensington and Chelsea
- ....
- via Historic houses in Norfolk
- ....
- Historic houses in England
- 1
- 12 Arnold Grove
- 2
- 20 Forthlin Road
- 251 Menlove Avenue
- 7
- 78 Derngate
- A
- Aldermaston Court
- Alford Manor House
- Alfriston Clergy House
- Allerton Hall
- Alnwick Castle
- ... etc.
- Only if
- a)Someone allocates all the country house and garden articles by county for consistency, and I don't thing anyone is going to take that on any time soon unless you do it yourself.
- b)All the articles will display in alphabetical order, which isn't the case in your example. Otherwise you still have to know which county a house is in to find it at a glance. I know the location of just about every historic house in England which is open to the public and of many that aren't, but the average Wikipedia visitor doesn't.
- Can you please let me reverse this? No one else has objected to doing so. As I say, I am a advocate of precise categorisation, but here I am just saying that I made a mistake, and that a project which was entirely reliant on me for implementation for now and for who knows how long is cancelled. I want to remove the inconsistency I have created. If you allow me to do that, I will then get on with creating all the county by county visitor attraction categories, and indeed other county by county and city by city categories. I have already worked on category:West Midlands, category:Greater Manchester and several others, but I want to clear this up before I continue. Wincoote 01:04, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Only if
- Let me get this right - you think that, rather than categorising the buildings as historic buildings in a particular location, we should instead just dump them all into one vast monolithic category, and also put each article individually into its relevent county/city category? Doesn't this strike you as, well, err, a rather seriously anti-normalised categorisation structure?
- And, as for your corcern that people don't care what county the places are in, I would argue quite the reverse - "I'm in Warwickshire for the next week - are there any historic buildings in the county?" is likely to be a rather more common query, IMO, that "I want to see an historic building starting with "Abc..." - now, what county would I have to go to see such places?". Quite apart from anything else, categorisation is just that - meta-data, and is not really intended to be for user navigation - for that, we have templates, both set-type like Template:Europe and succession-type like Template:PeerNavbox.
- James F. (talk) 01:58, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- You totally misunderstand me. Of course I care what county things are in. That is why I want to categorise county menus. I have done more of this than anyone else.
- As for the navigation issue, I think you are taking an unduly technical approach. I don't know what meta-data is and I sure that puts me in a large majority in the general public. Of course people use the categories for navigation. I can't comprehend why anyone would doubt that.
- I have thought this through. Most of the county visitor atractions sections will be in low single figures. It would be silly to have all the same sub-categories at county level as we have at national level (probably over a hundred). More to the point, no one has implemented this and I don't think anyone is going to. I'm certainly not, but I am making an offer to categorise all the county menus at a level which organises all of each county's articles into reasonably sized groups, while also leaving them in more specialist national groups. This is surely a pragmatic appoach. I am offering to put all of each county's visitor attractions into an easy to use category. People who are in a county might be interested in more than one type, and they are hardly going to be overwhelmed by a menu like category:visitor attractions in Leicestershire.
- As for the national menu, we should remember that Wikipedia is not a travel guide, but a reference and learning resource. The primary use of the counttry house menu should be to enable people to become better informed on the subject, not to plan a daytrip. This is more likely to happen if they can freely and quickly choose between articles on houses which they have heard of (which are likely to be the better articles on average).
- I beg you to withdraw your vote. You remain the only objector. As I have said, this was a project that I started, and which no one else has collaborated with, and I now think it was a mistake. All I am asking it to be allowed to cancel out an error which I believe I made so I can do something better instead. Please, please cooperate. Wincoote 14:06, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
More schools on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion
As of March 25, 2005, there are an additional (6) articles listed for deletion under the POV notion that schools are non-notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy). Please be aware that the following schools are actively being discussed and voted upon:
- VfD: Blake Junior High School (renominated)
- VfD: Franklin High School
- VfD: Lake Dow Christian Academy
- VfD: Red Lake High School
- VfD: The Sage School
- VfD: Toowoomba Grammar School
In response to this cyclical ordeal, a Schoolwatch programme has been initiated in order to indentify school-related articles which may need improvement and to help foster and encourage continued organic growth. Your comments are welcome and I thank you again for your time. --GRider\talk
GSM exchange for meetup tomorrow
Hi, I've sent you my GSM number as a memo over IRC. To access it, type "/memoserv read last" (you more than likely know this already). If you could SMS me yours in exchange, that would be very useful, as I'm liable to get lost somewhere between Victoria coach station (London) and | The Cock. nsh 22:34, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
Wikimedia UK portal
I'm not at all sure where to post this, but I read here that you were involved in the making of the Wikimedia UK portal. I saw that it includes six languages at the moment; how about adding the Simple English Wikipedia to the mix – possibly a blurb in the English section. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 21:49, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
UK CotW: Licensing laws of the United Kingdom
Hiya, just to let you know that the article you nominated for UK Collaboration of the Week has been made the nomination. The scope is now the entire United Kingdom (from just England and Wales). I've created a stub but your contributions are of course welcome! The article is at Licensing laws of the United Kingdom, the nomination is at Wikipedia:UK Wikipedians' notice board/UKCOTW/Licensing laws of the United Kingdom. Talrias | talk 17:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
That the guy on the left is....
ed g2s • talk 01:38, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Zürich to Zurich
Zürich has been nominated on Wikipedia:Requested moves for a page move to Zurich. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on talk:Zürich. Philip Baird Shearer 10:21, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in to the Seven Wonders of the World situation. However, I think that Akiepas12 was a newbie who was actually trying to fight vandalism. They were a little clumsy about it, but I think the page blanking was probably an honest mistake. Looking over their edits to the page, one was a straightforward reversion of vandalism, one was a normal (but badly-written) edit and several were trying to put a (slightly misguided) warning at the top of the page. I personally don't think they need to be blocked. I can certainly understand how you might take the page-blanking as vandalism, though. FreplySpang (talk) 21:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Pope John Paul II
Good edit. I'm amazed though that the page has grown to 87K!!! The maximum is supposed to be 32! Is there no end to the impact that pope had? Biggest queues in history. Biggest funeral in history. And now well on the way to the biggest wikipedia article in history!!! FearÉIREANN 01:38, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Succession boxes
Okay, I got both of your messages, and it seems you are contradicting yourself. What is the appropriate style for succession boxes for peerages and kingdoms? Is it not informative to give the years as well? --timc | Talk 01:41, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Good idea. I asked the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Peerage#Years_of_peerages. --timc | Talk 14:00, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dragonology
The summary of your edit to Dragonology states you may put the article up on VfD. I would suggest you do not. Dragonology is one of several terms for the study of Dragons. I put the article on my watchlist when it was created, and intend to expand it if no-one else does so in the near future.
Thanks, Daniel Lawrence 09:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Bot
The edit that your bot made to my user page was not very substantial and was hardly worth reverting. In fact, I consider it an improvement and have replaced two links in response to its edit. If you feel strongly that it should not edit user pages, can't it be instructed not to? Tim Ivorson 17:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, I made it myself (the bot is human driven, requiring input as to what to do for each and every page), and then decided that I shouldn't have made such an edit to a user's page. I run it in two passes, on over just the article space (where I change every reference), and one over the rest of them, where I often manual edit instead. Sorry.
- James F. (talk) 17:32, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Okay. Tim Ivorson 07:41, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oops
I haven't read the Wikipedia Manual of Style for three months. Thanks for pointing that point out (regarding current quotation marks policy).
Just for the record, I disagree with the policy change. But I will raise that point on the appropriate talk page.
--Coolcaesar 23:59, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The problem was that the policy had been changed on December 28, 2004 (to a different compromise policy where people should just use whatever their local style is), but was put back (to the previous compromise) just a couple of weeks ago. I preferred the quotation marks policy the way it was when I first read it (in February 2005) and have expressed my opinion accordingly on the talk page for the MoS.
--Coolcaesar 00:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Defend your honour!
...which I've appropriated for the Keep side in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Alison Wheeler. :) Samaritan 16:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Countess of Windermere
Hello James, I see you've encountered our mutual friend. I don't know if he's a vandal or just deluded, but I guess we'll just watch out for that IP range. Be advised, he seems to have also edited as 67.9.102.46. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:13, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Order of succession to the British throne
As of your edit in peerage, I have to say that the succession to the British crown is NOT agnatic. Agnatic means exclusively male, thus females would be excluded if the succession be agnatic = Salic Law. However, the British crown has been cognatically inheritable from the mists of Middle Ages. There had been Empress Maud, Henry VIII's mother, his daughters, etc. Elizabeth II is not a product of agnatic succession. If we want to be precise, we would say that succession to the British throne is male-preference cognatic primogeniture. 62.78.120.237 19:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- This is your conjecture, stated on many different pages.
- That does not mean I agree with you.
- James F. (talk) 23:38, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Bot request
Well, since the bots page is a redir, I'll put it here: There must be still a few redirs left from a bot run a while ago, and they are impossible to find via "What links" here. That would be first of all [[sex|gender]] , but quite likely there are also a few [[gender identity|gender]] and [[gender role|gender]] left. I'd really, really appreciate if those were corrected some day, and I have no clue about bots myself. -- AlexR 16:51, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry to be dim, but what exactly do you want me to do - replace [[sex|gender]] by [[gender]] , by [[sex]] , or a combination of the two, or neither?
- James F. (talk) 17:00, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry - the original bot run pointed away from gender because it was a disambig. Since it has been an article for a while, all gender should plainly point to gender. -- AlexR 17:06, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Just seen your bot changing [[U.S.]] -> [[United States|U.S.]] -- is there a reason to do this? — Matt Crypto 18:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect by-passing. It helps avoid double redirects and speed up the servers, as well as looks better to end-users.
- James F. (talk) 22:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- OK. My concern is that it complicates the Wikicode. One advantage to redirects is that you can avoid the messy piped syntax in links. I've always thought it a sufficient advantage that we should avoid bypassing redirects, and only pipe links to avoid disambiguation pages. — Matt Crypto 23:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
patroled
- Halló James! Is there a documentation about this "feature"? Please answer at MediaWiki talk:Showhideminor. Thnaks in advance. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 20:30, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
- Halló James! Thanks for the link. Please see bugzilla:2045. Best regards Gangleri | Th | T 01:09, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Bot-assisted rename for 2003 Invasion of Iraq
2003 Invasion of Iraq is going to be renamed in the near future, if at least to decapitalise "invasion". Since there are numerous redirects (and possibly doube-redirects after recent move debacles) it would be very helpful to have the post-move cleanup bot-assisted. It's not going to be done quite yet, but would you be able to sort it out in the near future if I let you know the change? Cheers, violet/riga (t) 14:08, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Would be no problem at all.
- James F. (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- I came by to let you know about our own little Iraq war (about the article title). The bot just made this edit inserting a link to the article at its current title, but, as Violet/riga says, that name may well change. I suggest the bot be called off from this particular link until the situaton stabilizes. JamesMLane 18:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I know. I'm having it remove all redirected links so that the bot isn't needed absolutely immediately, as I'm likely not to be online at the perfect moment, whenever that is, because there will be created no double-redirects that actually stop pages from working. Violet said that it seemed a good idea.
- James F. (talk) 21:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
People don't seem to be understanding the primary topic disambiguation argument. Jooler
GLB vs GLBT
elements cross-posted
Please do not add the gay, lesbian and bisexual category to transpeople who do not identify as such, for example, Georgina Beyer and Kamikawa Aya. GLB does not include the T. Thanks Dysprosia 22:42, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
- I was just repopulating the category, as per the CfD; if the information is wrong...
- James F. (talk) 23:14, 4 May 2005 (UTC)