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September 1

  • Mozilla Public License: Wikipedia is not a source text repository. Vicki Rosenzweig 15:26, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • On the other hand, deletion policy: "Don't list source texts, but replace them with an external link and a stub. Alternatively, add an external link to a related article and redirect the pages for source texts there." - do you want to add these two to wikipedia:pages needing attention? There could certainly be an article for both. Martin 16:16, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I'd say delete; sure it could use an article eventually, but this isn't it, and there's no reason one of us should have to choose to write this particular article rather than any of the other thousands of articles that need to be written just because someone did a data-dump. So delete it and a real article can be created whenever someone wishes. --Delirium 02:22, Sep 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • I'll withdraw my objection then, if not my opinion... :) Martin 13:26, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Netscape Public License: As above, Wikipedia is not a source text repository. Both these pages were created by the same IP address, and are simple data dumps of the licenses in question. Vicki Rosenzweig 15:28, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Same as above; delete. --Delirium 02:22, Sep 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree that both articles above should be deleted. dave 15:53, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 2

  • Momo Taro
    • Currently nothing even remotely useful here. dave 06:03, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • has fact, translation, and link. Keep. Martin 17:34, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • ok fine, although it is pretty sparse. I guess the stub boilerplate will serve that purpose right? dave 00:31, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I am still for deletion. Sub-stub in my opinion. Andre Engels 09:13, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Md. Ahiduzzaman Liton - is already blanked, according to User:Wik it is just patent nonsense. Fails the google test. andy 07:24, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I don't doubt Wiks word when he says it is by a repeat vandal. On the other hand the thing that this particular article fails the google test, is not confirming evidence in my eyes, for the subject is one that would fail the google test, even if legitimate. If it is a vandalism like Wik says (and I believe him), it is of a particularly sneaky type. This vandal deserves special attention, if so. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 07:42, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • I listed it here as it was an orphan to make sure it does not get lost in its current state, but didn't dared to use my sysop powers to delete it right away. Now checking the other contributions from that IP number - they look like valid stuff about Bangladesh (not that I know anything about that country except where it is), so I wonder why Wik wrote it's vandalism. andy 08:03, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • Google does find an Md. Ahiduzzaman of the rice research institute. No idea whether this remark has any use. Andre Engels 11:04, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
        • I don't see why this IP could be considered as a vandal: its contribution about Bangladesh are a bit stubish, but they seem OK. If he's inventing all this must be a sinister character... Muriel Gottrop 11:28, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
          • Although that user did contribute some articles which appear to be factual (e.g. Bogra), he then did some obvious vandalism which you can't see now because it has already been deleted. As to Ahiduzzaman Liton, why would it fail the Google test if it were legitimate? "He masterminded the toppling of Lt. General H. M. Ershad's 9 years' autocratic rule over Bangladesh"? Don't you think it would have been reported in many places if the toppling of Ershad in 1990 was masterminded by a 16-year-old student leader? It is true that student protests played a role in his overthrow, but this name doesn't appear anywhere. He is certainly not "famous" or "known for" anything as the article claims. --Wik 03:54, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • It might fail the google-test due to the fact that density of internet connections in Bangladesh might not be near the top, and hence the volume of stuff about importance within a Bangladeshian context might be underrepresented. It is just a thought. I confess I know just about nothing about Bangladesh matters myself. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick
  • Diasystem - self-reflecting definition of the term, I guess it is just nonsense. andy 07:32, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Croatian language links to that page, and in that context the link seems to make sense; however the text would have to be expanded and rewritten to be kept. Kosebamse 09:09, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • Well-see the external link. Mir Harven
Ventricles of the heart -> Wikipedia:Duplicate articles. Martin 13:33, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 3

  • Early grab - Advice on how to do a skateboard trick, Wikipedia is not a skateboard handbook. Basil Fawlty 00:20, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep it. Other sports have articles just about specific details of the sport. Skateboarding in no different. Would you also want all the other skateboarding tricks listed in Skateboarding trick deleted as well? -- Popsracer 01:20, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Inclined to keep. Angela 01:22, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep it, though, it should be reworded.Vancouverguy 03:45, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Alexander3ofRussia.JPG. There appears to be questions about the status of this picture as being a photo of Tzar Alexander III of Russia; another image of him has been placed in the article; this may be a photo of him or of Nicholas II, as they were very similar looking Emperors. See Image talk:Alexander3ofRussia.JPG for more discussion. unless it can be positively identified as either Alexander or Nicholas or be deleted. Alex756 06:30, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • It sees that the photo was misidentified in the 19th century book I scanned it from; it seems to be Nicholas II. As we already have a different photo of him and now one of Alexander III, deletion is okay by me. -- Infrogmation 20:38, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • The Abolition of Work - unencyclopedic. - Hephaestos 08:07, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • It's a source text. It should be turned into a stub with an external link. Martin 09:06, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I am in full agreement with Martin. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:31, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 4

  • NeuStar Inc. - Advertisment Basil Fawlty 00:31, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • This is a very significant company, every phone call that terminates in North America and several other places around the world relies on the services this company provide. So they are important enough to deserve an encyclopedia article. -- Popsracer 05:23, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • I certainly agree with Popsracer. It's a shame we ignored the company up until now, to be honest. -- user:zanimum
      • Popsracer's new version looks ok. Andre Engels 09:11, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep it. --Zippy 09:58, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • K512. Does this site deserve an article? RickK 03:25, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Vernon J. Setzer - miserably fails the Google test. - Hephaestos 05:58, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • As the one who first suggested it was vandalism, I wholeheartedly agree. Raul654 06:01, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • What about a few other tests -- e.g., no links to this article, no links inside the article, it is difficult to read because it is one long block of text? I may sound like a grouch for bringing these details up, but an article that fails to observe many of the expectations for Wikipedia trips my warning bells. -- llywrch 01:29, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Halfbakery - is this encyclopedic enough to deserve an article of its own? I'm not sure at all. -- Schnee 16:04, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Well, I learned something from the entry, which seems well written enough in itself. I'm for keeping it. -- Smerdis of Tlön 20:48, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep it of course. If this article is not encyclopaedic I wonder what qualifies. --KF 21:09, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • I'm just wondering whether each and every community website deserves to have a Wikipedia entry of its own. -- Schnee 13:16, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Alexa test [1] - rank 19,633. Keep? Martin 09:50, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Yes. Keep it. --Zippy 09:56, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • PowerBuilder programming language - powerbuilder is not a programming language, it's an IDE produced by Sybase. -- Schnee 16:09, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Maybe could be moved to PowerBuilder, but only if someone can expand it beyond the mere definition. Otherwise, delete. At18 09:12, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • James Deetz - should be either replaced by a real biography or deleted. Morn 18:17, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Judy Resnick - has written a money management book. No content on the page, unimportant person. Morn 18:33, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Yoshikawa Takeo - based on an Angelfire page, which has since been removed for violating the terms of service. Morn 18:48, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Vote against. I don't see a need to delete. It is a horriblly short stub but can be expanded later. What is wrong? Are you saying he is not actual person? -- Taku 22:47, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Buyer decision processes. Only content is Buyer decision processes classified into the following five steps 1. Problem Recognition  2. Search  3. Alternative Evaluation  4. Choice  5. Outcome. Angela 21:23, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Axe it unless someone creates something better soon. Andre Engels 09:11, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Mt. Vernon.jpg - PD image from a senate website, has been replaced by a photo (taken by myself, Image:Mount Vernon.jpg) which even the original uploader prefers over his upload. So I guess that one can go. andy 21:58, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Why not have both? Martin 10:05, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 5

  • Paul Watson. Just seems to be a personal attack by User:JasonSpaulding. Angela 02:05, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I think the stub version you had earlier is fine, we just need to keep the POV out of it. - Hephaestos 02:11, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • It might need protecting then as he's added the same (possibly libelous) content four times in the last two days. Angela 02:15, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Center for Mental Health Services and CMHS. I don't know anything about this subject to know if any of this information is correct, but this POV article cannot stand. RickK 02:45, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • VfD is not for listing POV articles. Martin 09:45, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • It is when removing the POV from the article would leave an article that would be a candidate for deletion. In this case I get to "The Center for Mental Health Services is a US government-supported group." as the NPOV core of the article, which is sub-stub in my opinion. Andre Engels 12:06, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • List of religious topics (G-M), List of religious topics (N-S), List of religious topics (T-Z) - I subdivided List of religious topics into 4 chunks a couple weeks ago; this was unnecessary, as the full list (A-Z) is not that long - it just LOOKED long! - so I have recombined them into the one original article. Harris7 05:34, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Hey guys, I'm a new admin...I assume the 3 pages above are candidates for instant deletion, and do not require any lengthy discussion? dave
    • Might as well just redirect them. Martin 09:41, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • That's generally a good idea, but I think in this case, it's not really necessary if there are no links left to the split-up pages. I doubt anyone'll stumble upon them otherwise, especially without coming across the recombined article first. -- Schnee 14:16, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Kathy Watt - I think being the daughter of a semi-famous person (who does not even have a Wikipedia entry yet) does not justify having a Wikipedia entry of one's own. -- Schnee 13:07, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Has been further edited by the same person to tell that she's a cyclist. Andre Engels 21:00, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Olympic Gold Medal Winner. Keep.Ark30inf 20:58, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • The Plug Comic, Chunkee the Monkey, and related - no hits on Google other than ours. - Hephaestos 18:19, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • What about this one, for example? ([2] ) Just search on Google for "plug comic" with the quotes, and you'll get it as the first hit. The article may still have to be deleted, since it seems to be a verbatim copy of that page, but the comic itself seems to have existed. -- Schnee 18:26, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the link. I was concerned due to the vandalism that it might not have been a legit topic, now I know it's legit. - Hephaestos 18:33, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
        • No problem, you're welcome. :) -- Schnee 00:10, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Chunkee the Monkey gets only 1 Google hit (the one above) that isn't from Wikipedia or a Wikipedia-derived source... I question its continuing presence... :-) Evercat 14:46, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Sir Thomas Browne - a rambling screed whose point, I gather, is that one should not refer to the Jacobean prose writer as "Sir". Any useful material should be integrated into the existing article Thomas Browne. -- llywrch 22:39, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 6

  • Chuo-ku. This article is like stating your mom is a woman. Kowloonese 04:30, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I nominated these two articles for deletion couple days ago because the article was just a list. The articles have been filled in with more explanation since then. Given the current state of the articles, I would cast a neutral vote now. Kowloonese 05:56, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Higashi-ku Again stating the obvious. See Chuo-ku Kowloonese 04:46, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote against deletion. They are simply names of place though looking artificial. You cannot translate Tokyo to East City because Tokyo is a name of place. If you think we cannot have disambig page for Chuo-ku then how about Kiyota-ku, Toyohira-ku and other kus? You can tralsnate doesn't mean you should. -- Taku 01:00, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Given the state of this article, I still stand by my vote for deletion. Such a list can be included in the ward article as example. Kowloonese 05:56, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • ZAFT, Coordinators, Earth Alliance. all by same anon. I didn't delete on sight (I'm reformed) in case they made sense to anyone. jimfbleak 07:16, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Also listed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/copyvio but since rewritten. A suggestion of combining them into the babylon 5 article was met with the response "fuck off Angela". --Angela 07:20, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Definitions are nonsense as they stand (there's no context or mention of Babylon 5, and do we really need to create separate entries for each Babylon 5 group?) --Zippy 09:55, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I've made Earth Alliance into a redirect, but this user doesn't deserve much more consideration than that. jimfbleak
    • It shouldn't even be redirected to Babylon 5. As far as I can make out, these entries have no connection with Babylon 5 at all, and it's a completely different fictional Earth Alliance! Delete the lot of them, I say. Arwel 16:42, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Picture 003.jpg. Extremely large orphan photo. RickK 08:24, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. It was asked of the user (who had only 2 edits) nearly 2 months ago. What's worse is that it has no desc at all. And a horrible file name. --Menchi 08:41, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • HTML-colour. What is this? No text, and a picture that is too large to fit on the screen. RickK 08:48, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep if text is added. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:35, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Well what it is; is a colour chart for the some of the various hex colour codes. The reason it's too large to fit on the page is it's really a table not a picture. That could be fixed by making the font smaller. I think it's reasonably useful. The article needs expanding and deo-orphaning rather than deleting Theresa knott 09:04, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Renaming it too would be a good idea. Something like HTML color codes would be nice or even Color in the World Wide Web which would discuss the treatment of colors in the WWW: HTML color codes, the sixteen named colors, the web-safe palette, Windows vs. Mac colors, 8-bit/15-bit/16-bit/24-bit colors, CSS colors, gamma correction (esp. in PNG), colors in popular image formats (GIF, JPG, PNG). Then again, the page might become too long. --seav 11:19, Sep 6, 2003 (UTC)
    • There are already two charts: see List of RGB colours and RGB color space. Both have well-made charts, with different styles. I don't think we need more, just to improve those two. At18 22:19, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • In that case, I'd like to change my mind.Delete. Theresa knott 23:01, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. And agreed, the List of RBG colours needs some help. -- Wapcaplet 22:33, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • How to answer quizzes. Not really encyclopedic. RickK 08:53, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Maybe merge into Quiz. --Menchi 09:01, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • I don't think it's worth merging anywhere. The you are likely to receive partial credit is misleading. You may lose marks for doing this. Not all open ended questions involve writing a "short sentence". Angela 19:05, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Axe it. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick


  • Locomotive BASIC programming language - copy&pasted German paragraph about structured Basic. At18 10:33, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Now grown into a German Basic manual. At18 10:35, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. It belongs to German Wikipedia. -wshun 05:59, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Silver Creek, New York Timeline. Excessive minutiae. RickK 22:09, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Also a possible copyvio ([3]). --Wik 22:40, Sep 6, 2003 (UTC)
    • Just for fun I pruned the most trivial of trivial stuff out. Still lots of dross left. No justification for separate article. Pic about a dozen or few dozen of the most important events, and merge into Silver Creek, New York. (Probably out of the "Major Flood"s only one or two should be considered truly historical, frex. Anything which happens so frequently shouldn't be all that noteworthy.) -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick
  • Liquid2k. Content is Liquid2k is the name of a free web host. I don't think it's a good idea to start listing every web host. Angela 22:39, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 7

  • Zaiger's Genetics. An advert, pure and simple. Maybe a sentence or two out of this might be salvageable into a general article on genetically altered foodstuff, but I think it shouldn't be worth the bother. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick
    • Reword at least. -Daniel C. Boyer 18:32, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Ack, I saw that and tried to give it a little NPOV, but I missed the intro. I think it can be reworded nicer, however. Dysprosia 09:18, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • Had another try at reword. Dysprosia 09:24, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Agide, A-A-P (and half the page at Aap) - all an advert submitted by the same person. Angela 22:07, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • This should be rewritten into something useful; I'll try to do it myself, if I can find the time. --bdesham 01:26, Sep 8, 2003 (UTC)
  • Lockadoranoia - must be an uncommon name for this paranoia (all google hits are wikipedia), is an un-wikified orphan, and was already deleted once when it was placed in the Wikipedia: namespace. andy 22:10, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC) :Delete. Pete 23:32, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Lou Diamond - one hell of a US Marine Sergeant but, alas, unworthy of an encyclopedia article.Ark30inf 23:27, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • According to Talk:Lou Diamond, the USMC considers him a significant enough figure to be featured online in their Who's Who in Marine Corps History site. Lou Diamond Phillips was apparently named for him. [4] This would suggest that he belongs -- Smerdis of Tlön 01:33, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • The article needs to be rewritten from a memoir to a biography then I think. The article as it stands makes him sound like a tough old sergeant but nothing more. I withdraw the deletion request since he has claim to fame. Thanks.Ark30inf 01:48, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I thought biographical pages could only be deleted if they were about a person no one's heard of. The name Lou Diamond is too familiar. Wiwaxia 18:29, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

September 8

  • Making a webpage - naïve and incomplete (if such a topic ever could be described completely - the scope of the title is gigantic), inaccurate and inappropriate for Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a how-to site. Also, the original author seems to have given up and vanished (see early comment on the page's discussion. -- Earle Martin 02:15, 9 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • It is problematic that it is a large subject, but the precedent seems to suggest these are kept. See How to and the List of recipes for example. Angela 02:40, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • In any case, this potentially book-length article is under the wrong title; it should be called something else. So delete. --Daniel C. Boyer 12:55, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Kman and Kham, Legion forummer - article about forum members, I doubt there significance for an encyclopedia. andy 13:39, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • And OD forummers by the same contributor Muriel Gottrop 14:10, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • The first two are understandable. But why the second? I'm new - I've read the policies and whatnot, but the second one seems ok to me. :Johnleemk 14:36, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)^
        • Because it's a list of non famous persons who frequent a specific forum. I dont think its encyclopedic. Muriel Gottrop 14:40, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • also Outside Discussions and Forummer (not sure about that one.. it's a term they claim to have invented) Evil saltine 14:47, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Oskar Augustsson, Engelsism and Engelsist - seems to be nonsense, no google hits (except for Engelsism being kind of a synonym for Marxism). andy 13:48, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • At least keep the Engelsism article. The names Engels and Marx are spoken in conjunction often, so the word should be fairly familiar (if not this Augustsson personality). Wiwaxia 18:29, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It isn't? DJ Clayworth 14:45, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
It definitely isn't. GFDL =/= non commercial. One *CAN* sell copies of Wikipedia's contents. This isn't to mean that WP itself is, right now, commercial, but stuff we enter into the system CAN be used commercially. --Morven 14:50, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The pages are all available on the sep11 wiki and are currently just limited to a redirect. History of the pages is not much longer than on the sep11 wiki. Besides, they fill much of Wikipedia:Shortpages -User:Docu
  • Tea tree - random thoughts about "spices". At18 18:55, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Catherine Schwartz - If this isn't the spitting image of the "non-famous" Wikipedia page, I don't know what is. Wiwaxia 19:28, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I actually just deleted that, because it was obvious junk. Adam Bishop 19:31, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
      • Great. But the strange this is . . . I clicked to see what linked there, and among the pages . . . She's on the list of famous people whose names begin with Sc-! Wiwaxia 19:36, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
        • Yeah, I just saw that too, she's apparently some person on Tech TV. The original article was copied from her bio on the Tech TV website ([5]) anyway...and the second version was just junk. If she warrants an article it shouldn't be "personal likes and dislikes written in the first person" :) Adam Bishop 19:42, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)


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