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Alcala street?

I tried looking for Alcala street on the Manila map. Does anyone know in which district it could be? Perhaps it doesn't exist now, but it existed in 1906 (from a birth certificate). --Chris S. 05:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it doesn't exist anymore or its name has been changed. --Howard the Duck 05:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Calle Alcala was just north of Plaza Santa Cruz, running from what was then Calle Enrile to Estero Cegado. Its continuation towards Quiapo was Calle Raon, and some time after 1906 that name was given to the whole street. Later it was again renamed as G(onzalo) Puyat.Jim Richardson 20:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I know this street (Gonzalo Puyat), it has a pedestrian overpass on its intersection at Quezon Blvd. at Quiapo. It's at the left side of Raon electronics store. --Howard the Duck 03:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. What did you used to figure this out, Jim? Anyway, I understand that this was in Quiapo, then? I am looking for my great-grandmother's and her brothers' baptismal records and that's the street they lived on in the early 20th century, according to one of her brothers' birth certificate. --Chris S. 04:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Calle Alcala is shown on the Manila street map included in United States, Bureau of Insular Affairs, A pronouncing gazetteer and geographical dictionary of the Philippine Islands (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1902), and its renaming as Calle Raon is recorded in Manila directories of the American period such as Rosenstock’s. I just used Google to pick up its later renaming to Gonzalo Puyat. I think the whole of Calle Alcala would have been in Santa Cruz, though I’m not exactly sure where Santa Cruz ended and Quiapo began.Jim Richardson 18:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

idea

I am not sure whether it already exists, but it might be a nice idea to set up a project to create articles about dates and years with Philippine related topics. What I mean: Perhaps it is nice to create pages like 12 June, but then only for Philippine events, births, deaths, holidays etc, for example 12 June in the Philippines. The same for year pages like 1898. It would then be possible to link to these pages from Philippine related articles in stead of the general date or year links. Magalhães 12:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Err, is this timeline what you have in mind?--Jondel 12:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is the graph in reverse order? — Sandtiger 13:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No that's something different. These articles would replace the normal articles about each day and year. So for example: 12 June in de Philippines in stead of 12 June. In the article would be place to list all important Philippine events, births death of Philippine actors, politicians, sports people, etc etc, Philippine holidays and other significant events. It would never be possible/appropriate to include all of this information in the general date page or in the timeline. Magalhães 13:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see. Is this a precedent? Do they have this for other countries? It might be appropriate for very significant days but not for let's say an obscure councilman's birthday,etc.--Jondel 13:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I think, instead of starting 366 new articles, it would be better to just add more Philippine-related information to the existing date articles. TheCoffee 13:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How about 2003 in the Philippines, all the way up to 1521 in the Philippines? That'll be nice. Or maybe adding more dates in this page. --Howard the Duck 13:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I did not know that some year pages already existed. That's nice! Let's make more of them. I feel that there might also be a place for dedicated date articles for the Philippines. The disadvantage of adding all the info to the existing date articles would be that there will be way too much information and information you are not looking for. An advantage of special Philippine date pages would be that you can add information about locally famous people more easily than on the general page. I had this idea when I was reading a review of the Philippine-related articles on the Dutch Wikipedia in a magazine. One of the comments was that the links to dates and years led to arcticles with information which was mostly about other parts of the world. Magalhães 13:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I was planning to make a "On this week" section at Philippines portal, but if time comes each day has more than 5 events, it can be made into a "On this day" section, then I'll split that page into monthly summaries. --Howard the Duck 13:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

That might be another good option. The only disadvantage is that you can not link it in a normal article when using a date somewhere. Magalhães 14:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Not again?

Here he goes again...I'm currently exchanging emails with 'the Manolo Quezon III, and it looks like I have found something (and, I guarantee, the information I got from MLQ3 is very, very interesting). Once my correspondence is finish, I'll let you on in (and e-mail the others as well). Thanks --- Tito Pao 04:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What can I say is... Happy Birthday J.P. Rizal! on June 19. --Exec8 04:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Heheheh...LoL, you didn't wikify that one, so I did it ;-) --- Tito Pao 04:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

MLQ3 confirmed that he did get to talk to rizalninoy, but it appears that he was misunderstood. You can read a quote of the response at Howard's talk page. As for the "interesting" bit...I've decided to keep it to myself in the meantime. Thanks --- Tito Pao 06:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The question now is what category you put Batasang Bayan. --Howard the Duck 07:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've had enough. I'll leave this to the admins. --- Tito Pao 08:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, what needs to be dealt with? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 08:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave my comments on your talk page then. Please hang on for a moment. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

People here have a very liberal (to put it mildly) understanding of what the WP:NPA policy is for. --Howard the Duck 08:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Anon with bad grammar is deleting a lot of info from the Visayans article

I wish he or she would just talk about the deletions (clean-up according to him/her) first...

See the history page:

• (cur) (last) 09:16, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,145 bytes) (I clean this up for valid reasons, pls. do not mess it up again! O.k. have some common sense for godness sakes. Why does'nt people ever used common knowledge and facts. It's very simple.)
• (cur) (last) 09:10, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,143 bytes) (added expand category. This article does not need to many bullshit statements such as redirect article:See Visayan language blaa blaa. related ethnic groups blaa blaa. Keep it simple.)
• (cur) (last) 09:02, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,114 bytes) (What happen to this article? It was cleaned up for valid reasons. Now it's all messed up again. Do not be an idiot Chris Sundita. Your revert actions seems biased. What's wrong with you?)
• (cur) (last) 04:39, 12 June 2007 Nino Gonzales (Talk | contribs) (14,385 bytes) (the anon made some deletions which lessened the quality of the article, i think.)
• (cur) (last) 00:43, 12 June 2007 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) m (12,128 bytes) (Undid revision 137423652 by 58.106.130.158 (talk))

I don't usually pick on people's grammar, but this guy is really acting like a jerk. Guys, please help in keeping the article jerk free. --Nino Gonzales 05:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The dab note at the top is incredibly long. Either Bisaya becomes a dab page, or someone creates Bisaya (disambiguation). --Howard the Duck 05:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province

Those who have a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province, you can post the detailed presidential and vice-presidential election results to their respective Wikipedia articles or you can also give a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province to my e-mall address: [email protected] and then I will the one to post to their respective Wikipedia articles. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 10:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to review the Senate and House Journal of the pre-martial law Congress, since some of it are transcribed in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

But if one of us here does know Spanish and given enough time, maybe they can help. I'm thinking of Jondel ;-) but there may be others as well. --- Tito Pao 21:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is I don't know which documents to photocopy. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 02:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The Document need to photocopy is the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province.

It's hard to know which one it is, because most are in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 14:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I can understand in Spanish. --Joseph Solis in Australia 09:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What I'm saying is, with the tons of Journals the Congress have I can't identify which ones pertain to the Canvass since most post-war documents are in Spanish, so that I can photocopy them for our perusal.--Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I have new idea, Since can I understand the Spanish language, I want that all Journals the Congress have that contains the canvass that you have will photocopy and then will give to me via my e-mall address: [email protected] and you can give the photocopy via airmail to my address in the Philippines: 615 Del Pilar Street, 6021 Argao Cebu Philippines and after that, I will be the one to post in their Wikipedia articles.--Joseph Solis in Australia 08:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You can't be serious are you? That's like a row of a shelf, and the photocopier is not in the library area, you can only take 3 books out for photocopying at a time. And the photocopier is in the north wing area of congress (library in the south wing area, you can't pass through the Batasan Bldg proper. It's 2 pesos per page. The situation is the same in the Senate, where the public photocopier is not in the Senate bldg, you have to go around to the GSIS office. Ü --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

If I have the time, I can stay there for a day and encode them, and just upload them. However schedule doesn't permit. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 13:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It is okay for me that you will be the one will encode the data containing the presidential and vice-presidential election results if the schedule permits you. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 06:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The 1946 Vice Presidential Canvass (by province) is now available in the Philippine general election, 1946 article. The Presidential Canvass, however, is not yet finish. Angeles624 15:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

New cities

It seems that there are new cities, but I couldn't verify them. Either the plebiscite is not yet held or the plebiscite was finished. --Howard the Duck 16:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Based on what I see, all the new cities have conducted their plebiscites (Bogo, San Juan (Metro Manila), Catbalogan, Meycauayan). Carcar, Cebu will have its plebiscite on June 23. --Sky Harbor 22:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The NSCB website updates quarterly, it's almost the end of June, then we'll know what are the changes in our LGU. The latest I think is the merging of two barangays in Tagaytay City. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 02:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital

Hi I just obtained my birth certificate and found out all about the interesting 'factory' that I was produced from. Hehe, I believe the paanakan deserves a nice article here--Lenticel ^(talk) 03:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I saw this on the news last new year and the place is really affordable. --Howard the Duck 03:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

This can be a potential DYK if only it can be made longer. --Howard the Duck 03:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Something like "DYK...that about one out of five babies born in Metro Manila were delivered at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital?". Need to rewrite that, though, to accommodate the "baby factory" tag, it's a plus IMO. --- Tito Pao 06:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Kulintang Article DOA for a FA. Help.

About getting something featured related to the Philippines...

I tried getting the kulintang article through last march. Basically, the only thing that stopped the article from going thru was a good copy edit. Suggestions were for me to place it at the Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors/proofreading#Requests_for_FAC_and_FAR.

I did that three months ago and recently (6/19) they removed it because it failed FAC... waiting to be copyedited by the LOC for request for FAC ironically.

I believe this is the best chance for another Philippine-related FA article to make it but I see no reason for me to nominate it again if I can't get anyone at the LOC to look at it.

If anyone has some thoughts... go ahead... my patience with the LOC is wearing thin. I really have no time to wait months and months for nothing. PhilipDM 16:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You don't necessarily have to go to the LOC for copy-editing, and I'm a bit impatient myself with the Aviation WikiProject for not taking action on rating Iloilo International Airport as another example of WikiProject inaction. Copy-editing does not necessarily have to emanate from the LOC; try asking other editors. --Sky Harbor 04:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:Filipino_inventors]]

Hi guys, let's fill up this category. Para may kasama naman si Mang Ernie. Lenticel ^(talk) 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Sigh... Plano ko pa naman damihan ito. Anyways, some inventors have controversies around them (some did not invent at all!) so carefully choose your refs--Lenticel ^(talk) 04:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Territorial map of the Philippines

I was wondering where this could be placed: Image:Ph Territorial Map.png, based on [1] and [2]. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 05:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably on Geography of the Philippines? -- Jojit fb 00:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Getting WMPH moving further forward

Project sub-pages in Wikipedia:Meetup for meet-ups in Manila are now available. Please visit the main page - Wikipedia:Meetup/Manila. A template was also made to consolidate all meet-ups in the Philippines (see Wikipedia:PhilWiki Meetup Box). In the future, there could be a page for Wikipedia:Meetup/Cebu. - Jojit fb 03:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I have move the discussions regarding our second meeting at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. - Jojit fb 06:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I encourage everybody to participate in this meeting. Please post your replies to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2 --Exec8 06:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Due to lack of interest by some of our wikipedians, I might drop plans to attend this meetup and devote time to some things else. --Exec8 09:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I left comments at the meetup talk page which may convinced you to think otherwise. --Sky Harbor 14:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Randy David

Guys could you help me with this article. Last time it was here it was speedy deleted due to notability but I'm pretty sure he is.--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for cities

After seeing Talk:City of San Fernando, Pampanga, isn't it a better idea to drop "City" altogether except for HUCs, ICCs, and cities named after their mother provinces and instead use the convention we use for municipalities, like instead of City of San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, we use San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, Metro Manila. The only cities which will be exempt are Manila and Quezon City. --Howard the Duck 05:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well we shouldn't be altering the way we do things just to conform to the way America does things. In the US any place that has a mayor is called a city, even if it just has 5 people. In the Philippines a place is called a city if it reaches certain requirements, and these places actually do appended the word "City" to their names. TheCoffee 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well for one thing, instead of the mouthful "City of San Fernando of Pampanga," many use the simpler "San Fernando, Pampanga." And leaving out the province's name may give the impression that the city is not a part of the province. --Howard the Duck 05:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I rather have HUCs without the name of the provinces theyre in. For ICCs and Component cities, maybe have the provinces. As for San Fernando, Pampanga, addresses in the city reflect City of San Fernando, Pampanga (it's their naming convention to distinguish it from the one in La Union. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 08:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it still confusing. If you strip them of their provinces' names, you'd leave "City of San Fernando" and "San Fernando City", still confusing. You're right about HUCs and ICCs (that was part of my original proposal). For example, the name San Jose del Monte City implies that that place is not a part of Bulacan when it is. Ergo, rename it back to San Jose del Monte, Bulacan. --Howard the Duck 11:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Literature

I have been searching for Philippine literature-related topics (tula, parabula, pabula, atbp.) but I only managed to get into forums wherein "resourceful" students were asking for the definitions and samples about the said topic. Can't we start a wikiproject for this? Also, important persons in Panitikang Pilipino should also be included. I also think it is better if we do Tagalog input for these then just have them translated to English.

If this project pushes through, alas, all the Filipino assignments will say the same! hehe. Bembenenot 22:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you think this deserves a WikiProject, make sure you have enough people to make one first, then establish the project. You can also try translating the articles on the Tagalog Wikipedia to English from Tagalog. --Sky Harbor 03:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been suggesting for a while that there be a Wikiproject:Philippine Mythology but since this would be covered by that, I'd be very happy to support this. :-) As a Mythopoeic writer I'd be most interested in contributing to Myths and Legends in Philippine Literature. My user page already has a list of references I've gathered. I just need time so I can make writeups. (which will require reading time because I only recently purchased - or "piratephotocopied" most of those references. Whoops. incriminating evidence. hehe. scholarly use naman po, strictly noncommercial) Alternativity 05:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Kut-kut

Is there anyone here from Samar and/or who has access to published information about art techniques of that province? There's an AFD going on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kut-kut - because, apart from one US-based artist, we can't find verification for the history (existence, even) of a traditional artform called kut-kut. Gordonofcartoon 02:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

As I've mentioned in my follow-up comments in the AfD, Ate P doesn't think this is verifiable (she's from the Visayas). Any comments from our friends from the South? --- Tito Pao 07:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input... I closed the discussion as delete. If somebody does come up with verifiable information, we can re-create the article. Sancho 21:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Butse Kik

The song got prodded but I believe it just need some refs. I manage to get some refs for it but the news articles are about Yoyoy's death and the song is just briefly mentioned so I discarded them. Okay, I'm familiar with the song but I'm not around yet when the song gave its full impact--Lenticel ^(talk) 04:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I just did. Ang hirap maghanap ng news article, puro blogs at lyrics database ang mga GHits sa Butse kik >=( --- Tito Pao 07:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to Divide the Province of Quezon

There is a proposal to divide the province of Quezon into two: Quezon del Norte and Quezon del Sur. According to Quezon Representative Lorenzo “Erin” Tañada III, the proposed legislation had already been passed by the Senate and was only awaiting the signature of President Macapagal-Arroyo for it to become a law.[3]

Under the propoasal, Quezon del Norte will be composed of Lucena City (as capital) and the following municipalities: Burdeos, Gen. Nakar, Infanta, Jomalig, Lukban, Mauban, Pagbilao, Patnanungan, Polillo, Real, Sampaloc, Tayabas, Candelaria, Dolores, San Antonio, Sariaya, Tiaong.

On the other hand, Quezon del Sur will be composed of the following towns Agdangan, Buenavista, Catanauan, General Luna, Macalelon, Mulanay, Padre Burgos, Pitogo, San Andres, San Francisco, San Narciso, Unisan, Alabat, Atimonan, Calauag, Guinyangan, Gumaca, Lopez, Perez, Plaridel, Quezon, and Tagkawayan.Angeles624 22:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

A plebiscite must still be conducted to ratify it. President's signature isn't enough to put it into effect. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming plebiscite in Luuk, Sulu to create a municipality of (i forgot) i came across it yesterday reading the PDI. Also plebiscite in Lapu-Lapu City for its conversion into an HUC. --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 01:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Aaargh. There should be a moratorium on creating new LGUs. They mostly only serve the interests of the politicos wanting to cement their fiefdoms. --seav 04:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm betting this will be approved. There should be a minimum turnout for these plebiscites. --Howard the Duck 04:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't come as a surprise. My hometown was converted into a city with less than 10 percent of the total number of registered voters (8,000+ voting "yes" as compared to the nearly 100,000 registered voters). --- Tito Pao 07:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, amen to that. I didn't even know it was already a city until I saw it here. Shrumster 12:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please translate this into English

Hi, I am having a hard time translating this question (in Tagalog) into English: Pang-ilan si Gloria Macapagal Arroyo sa mga Pangulo ng Pilipinas?

(Who is the 14th President of the Philippines? is not the correct translation).Please help me. Thanks! Angeles624 12:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the closest I could get, so far:

Chronologically, what is the rank of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo among the presidents of the Philippines? (You may have to add a follow-up/"suggestive" question such as Is she the 12th or the 13th? Well, something to that effect... Dragonbite 19:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

OR: Chronologically, where does Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo rank among the presidents of the Philippines? Dragonbite 19:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the order of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's succession as the Philippines' president? --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 04:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

On what order is GMA chronologically? --Howard the Duck 05:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Howard that didn't make sense... lol... peace! --Scorpion prinz ^{(Talk | contribs)} 18:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

What the? I thought that was the nearest English translation possible? See Chronology. --Howard the Duck 02:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is How manyeth but it doesn't exist in English (well Google has 600+ hits for this phrase. lol). German has "Wievielte" so they'd say "Arroyo is der wievielte Präsident?" I would go for "Which president is GMA? The 10th or...?" --Chris S. 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Role of women in the Philippines article

Hello there. There is a suggestion that the article Role of women in the Philippines be renamed as Women in the Philippines. Please kindly participate in the discussion. This article was created from the WP:TAMBAY's requested articles list. Thanks. Dragonbite 21:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Latest DYKs on Main Page

Hi. Please kindly place these within WP:TAMBAY's DYK appearance notice column:

1. Lorenzo M. Tañada, DYK appearance: 14 July 2007
2. Women in the Philippines, DYK appearance: 16 July 2007

These articles were created from WP:TAMBAY's requested articles. Thanks. Dragonbite 03:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Added the articles. However, I don't know how to input the dates next to them--Lenticel ^(talk) 06:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Lenticel, for adding them to the WP:PINOY display box. Dragonbite 17:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard of Wikipiniana?

Wikipiniana is apparently a new site that seems to be like Wikipedia but for Filipino topics. It's currently a full-fledged fork of Philippine-related topics from Wikipedia. What say you? --seav 03:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Should we sign-up there as well? hehe. =) -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 03:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a complete waste of effort seeing as they've adopted Wikipedia's philosophies (e.g., NPOV) and policies wholesale. They've already got several active contributors--who could've been Wikipedians instead. We really need to get Wikimedia Philippines going. --seav 03:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

We do have a Philippines Wikia with 2 articles. --Howard the Duck 04:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

But Wikia is designed to be a commercial endeavor that is sponsored by ads. It can co-exist with Wikipedia. Wikipiniana, on the other hand, seems like duplicated effort. --seav 04:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

We can make it a dumping ground of deleted articles though. Some Philippine-related articles which were deleted can be "transfered" there. --Howard the Duck 04:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Hmm...okay, since some of the articles were lifted from this site, do you think we might consider this as a fork of WP? --- Tito Pao 06:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If they ripped off articles from here, they should say where it came from. --Howard the Duck 06:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ ^Talk 06:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, they took articles from Wikipedia and took it correctly. There's a link to the original Wikipedia article at the bottom and they're licensed under the GFDL. So they're technically a fork. --seav 09:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I would call them a fork. If WMPH were established, we should include Wikipiniana in its scope. Or if not, we should encourage "Wikipinianians" to join Wikipedia. --Sky Harbor 09:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I joined the community and peppered it with references to Wikipedia. I've started tagging my maps (e.g., this physical map of the Philippines) that they included there and pointed it to my user page and to Wikipedia. I've also put up Wikipedia-cheerleading prose on my user page there to convince Wikipinianians to contribute to Wikipedia instead. I think we should all do the same. And tagging TheCoffee's locator maps would also help. --seav 19:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Bad news for WMPH. They've recently registered WikiPilipinas.org, WikiPhilippines.org, WikiPilipinas.org, and WikiPinas.org. --seav 03:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be bad. We have to register all Wikimedia-related domains (including the key www.wikimedia.org.ph) and possibly invite them to discuss WMPH-related stuff. I also feel sad that editors on Wikipiniana are also, according to this poll on their forum, supportive of making an identity separate from Wikipedia. I don't want a Spanish Wikipedia-Enciclopedia Libre controversy to break out here. --Sky Harbor 12:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, you guys might want to read my blog entry about Wikipiniana. You might find the visitor comments interesting. --seav 08:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

" We love to compete, and we believe that competition brings out the best in us. "--Exec8 12:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him an ally. Good for real wars, strategy games and maybe in this situation as well.--Lenticel ^(talk) 12:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

You guys are really good in what you are doing and we all love Wikipedia, but I think as fellow Filipino, putting your fellowmen down is kinda having a "crab mentality" attitude. They want to do it, fine.. maybe they have their own reasons and we respect that. I visited Wikipiniana twice already and I found that there are "fork" articles that made it to balloon that fast. But I have noticed that they were trying to redefine an encyclopedia based on contents the wikipinians have contributed and still contributing.

Seav, Putting commentary narrative(can be considered as vandals) in a wiki site to promote something is a "no-no" to wikipedia's policy and I think they have the same,too. So it's not possible that moderators or editors can just erased that instantly and may brand you into something else. If they want to waste resources, fine! its not our loss anyway, but we never know what entice these volunteers to contribute to Wikipiniana instead to Wikipedia. Can this be considered as a break-away from Wikipedia? 122.52.32.190 07:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

More or less it could, but for something to be considered a breakaway in this sense requires that existing Wikipinians were Wikipedians first (i.e.Spanish Wikipedia-Enciclopedia Libre controversy). Before Filipiniana.net even considered making Wikipiniana, I wish they considered Philippine content on Wikipedia first. But then again, if that's how Gaspar Vibal and (possibly) his affiliated publishing companies want it, let them be. --Sky Harbor 09:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Michael, I'm sure it's you commenting here since you brought up the "crab mentality" argument on my blog also. Yes, it's not our loss if they "want to waste resources" but I'm really concerned with the waste of effort due to duplication. Now it will be about doubly hard maintaining the quality of the same articles in both Wikipedia and Wikipiniana. --seav 09:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

So they're claiming they're not a fork yet they use Wikipedia content? --Howard the Duck 11:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The name is terrible, but, man, the site of the parent org, www.filipiniana.net, is amazing! I was giddy with geeky joy as I was browsing through the sources they have made available online!

But going back to Wikipiniana. (again, the name is terrible... the most imporatant part of filipiniana is filipin!) At first sight, it seems to be a needless redundancy to Wikipedia. But considering the sources in filipiniana.net, I think the filipiniana wiki (I can’t stand its official name) can have its own niche. I think it could be the biggest open source collaborative research infrastructure in Philippine history! (I mean that in both senses). The value proposition of the filipiniana wiki, I think, is that you can do original research, something you couldn’t and shouldn’t do in Wikipedia, and something which is sorely lacking in Philippine scholarship (we need more historians!) I’m singing up now! --Nino Gonzales 02:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

There's a reason why Original Research is frowned upon, especially in open edit softwares like Wikis. Berserkerz Crit 05:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

SM City North EDSA

Little help here. The article looks like an advert. I already cut up some of the problematic sections. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Paddy field

In the interest of more balance in the article text, I invite fellow editors to contribute details on paddy fields of the Philippines: technology, characteristics, history, culture, etc. Mumun 無文 14:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very clear on what the request is. I can think of very few things about rice paddies that are absolutely unique to the Philippines, as rice paddies all over southeast asia (both peninsular and continental) share a lot of similarities. I've contributed what I could in terms of ancient Philippines (not much)and I will be scouring my mythical references soon. But I think most of the technology discussion should go on the main article rather than the Philippines section. If so, that's really not my cup of tea. Any Rice technology experts out there who wanna do that? Or if someone has time, could you help figure out what goes in the main body and what goes into the country sections? I'll do that when I have time, but for now, it just confuses me.Alternativity 13:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Project name translations

Just a question of opinion: should we follow the stance of many non-English Wikimedia projects (notably Spanish and non-Latin script languages) to name projects based on local conventions? I have a contributor on the Tagalog Wiktionary make a Tagalog-language logo to the point of translating 'Wiktionary' to Wiksyonaryo (from Spanish Wikcionario). Should we do the same? --Sky Harbor 13:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in doing so. --Chris S. 15:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In that case, I propose the following translations for names (in Tagalog; feel free to add other Philippine languages):

• Wikipedia: Wikipedya (current Cebuano usage)
• Wiktionary: Wiksyonaryo
• Wikinews: Wikihayagan (lit. "wiki newspaper")
• Wikiquote: Wikisipi or Wikibanggit
• Wikiversity: Wikibersidad
• Commons: Karaniwang Wikimedia

I can't come up with anything for Wikispecies and I have a conflict between Wikibooks and Wikisource. Meta needs no translation. Feel free to contribute and help! --Sky Harbor 16:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

How about Wikibalita for Wikinews? I was thinking Wikiuri for Wikispecies, but I dunno. --Chris S. 07:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiuri sounds fine, but Wikisari sounds better IMHO (although this can possibly make a problem: sari means both genus and species, while uri means species). In addition to Wikibalita, why not consider Wikiulat as well. For both Wikisource and Wikibooks, I'm torn between Wikiklatan (originally for Wikibooks, but Wikisource is a library), Wikiteksto (Wikisource, but would be an off translation) and Wikimulan (Wikisource). --Sky Harbor 09:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about kasarian, but I thought it had to do with more gender. But I like Wikisari. Sounds good. Wikiulat doesn't quite roll off the tongue as Wikibalita does. Hmmm.. as for Wikisource. You're right, that's a toughie. My first instinct tells me to go with Wikimulan since that's the closest. The others are creative, and given the choice of the other two I'd go with Wikiklatan since that gives a user an idea on what it's all about. --Chris S. 18:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Wikibooks? --Sky Harbor 11:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikilibro? --Chris S. 16:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It has to be plural. Spanish usage dictates Wikilibros, but since the -s plural is not used in Tagalog, we need something a bit more...inventive? I'm not sure. --Sky Harbor 12:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, libro can be plural too. As in "nagtitinda siya ng libro" (he sells books). The plural in Tagalog is not always specifically stated, so Wikilibro or Wikiklat could both work. We go by Tagalog grammar conventions, not Spanish, since it technically ceased to be part of Spanish's grammatical and phonological (we say libró instead of líbro) rules. --Chris S. 22:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Manila 2 : The Second Wiki Philippines Meetup

I encourage everybody to join discussions on Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. Hint: My birthday is getting close...--Exec8 12:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Motivation

hi, I think we could emulate the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment/Assessment Drive to liven up the Tambayan. I think there's a lack of enthusiasm here lately. --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You people can use {{Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/notice}}. --Howard the Duck 06:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean an assessment drive, I mean that we should have some sort of goal (x number of GA this month or -x less Phil. related stubs). Hardworking wikipedians would then be rewarded with the barnstar that is equivalent to his work--Lenticel ^(talk) 09:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we create a Tambayan subpage that current contributing status of all active Filipino Tambays? We should create User subpages then transclude them into the Tambayan subpage so that we know who's busy and what Philippine-related stuff they're working on now. A quick and dirty mock-up is shown below. Right now, we don't know what everyone is up to. And so we don't know with whom we can likely collaborate with on very focused subject areas. --seav 09:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

seav

• Current Status: Busy in real life. Devoting 3-5 hr/wk on Wikipedia.
• Current tasks: Creating stub articles for the National Artists without any articles yet.

If you insert the template above with all of the necessary options (importance and ratings), it will automatically assign it to a category. Then what comes up in the categories can be added to a new project page so we can follow the contents. --Howard the Duck 11:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about a sub- projectpage with this set-up:

Wanted article drive:

Participants:

• x- 4 new articles created
• y- 5 new articles created
• z- 22 new articles created

Rewards:

• 5 new start class articles (Phil barnstar)

• 10 new start class articles (Working Man barnstar)

--Lenticel ^(talk) 10:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hm. I'm not Manila based so theres no way for me to attend meetings. But as a contributor does that mean when I create 5 new stub-level articles, I get a barnstar? :-D Sorry, still kinda new even if I've been at this for a while.Alternativity 16:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin help of restoring deleted pics

Can the admins restore these: Purefoods.gif, NewBAP.jpg, NCAA Philippines new logo.PNG and Mba1.gif since they were updated not by me (hence I wasn't able to receive the warnings) but they were deleted in the wee hours of the morning when I was sleeping and I wasn't able to save them. --Howard the Duck 02:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)