User talk:Guy Montag
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NPOV
Excellent work on Binational solution! - Ta bu shi da yu 23:11, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism
Hi Guy, you might be interested in the current VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism. You'll find it at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jewish ethnocentrism. Jayjg (talk) 17:13, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Your note to Alberuni
He was banned a few weeks ago, however, a lot of his damage is still here. I invite you to join cleaning up some of his contributions. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 10:48, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Revisionist
Hi there! Unfortunately i don't know much about revisionist-zionists - only few articles in Polish press and history sections here and there, mainly because i was once interested who were exactyl that guys who organised ZZW and whom exactly Polish government was training bvefore war...Szopen 08:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Israel
Your input would be appreciated at Talk:Israel#Israel's borders.... Thanks. Kosebamse 07:11, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
International law and the Arab-Israeli conflict
I've started an article on International law and the Arab-Israeli conflict and would certainly welcome any edits you might have. --Leifern 20:24, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)
Thanks. Sure, I'm all for constructive collaboration. If you'd like, take a look at User:Humus_sapiens/draft, I intend to replace the children and minors article because it's written around B'Tselem's agenda-driven casualty statistics. Feel free to edit/comment. New anti-Semitism also needs attention. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:18, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Hi friend, let's make sure that WP reflects prominent positions without taking one. An attributed quote by an authority on the subject from a reputable source would be good. Take a look at e.g. Israel and the United Nations. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Revisionist Zionism
"There is nothing to substantiate. All of this can be found in various specialist books which focus on Revisionist Zionism"
If so then it shouldn't be difficult for you to provide a source for your claim. AndyL 22:46, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You openly state "I am primarily here to represent the nationalist right wing in Israel". I don't see why wikipedia should acquiesce to your need to be a propagandist for the right wing of Zionism. The fact that certain facts are embarassing to your movement is not sufficient reason to remove them. Sorry. AndyL 23:27, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Guy, my father, for one, remembers the song from his youth. I'm sorry if the historical reality of the situation is inconvenient for you but please do not remove factual information from articles just because they are embarassing to the political causes you promote. AndyL 01:24, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I need some help dealing with a white-supremacist sockpuppet; I'm in risk of violating the 3RR. Thanks. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:06, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Too busy.
Please use WP:AN/I. Thanks. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:12, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
NPOV
Stop censoring material you don't like. It's completely immaterial if you don't like the "new historians" or accept their conclusions particularly if you are unable to refute the facts they cite. Simply dismissing them out of hand because you are ideologically opposed to them is not acceptable. AndyL 22:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Evacuation (Israeli politics)
Shalom achi, I have started a stub Evacuation (Israeli politics) to discuss Israel's practice of evacuation. You input would be most welcome. I can foresee it being a difficult topic to keep NPOV :)
Ustashe page
I'm not sure what the issue is; do you know the specific text or area that is upsetting your filter? Jayjg (talk) 06:12, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I've removed the link in question; please let me know if that fixes the problem. Jayjg (talk) 06:43, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Nicolas Sarkozy is a Roman Catholic (he has said it a number of times in interviews, books etc.). You may argue that he is a Jew by virtue of his origins; however, that is not his own opinion which, I think, should take precedence. David.Monniaux 10:03, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I understand that he says that he is a Roman Catholic, but since this is a NPOV encyclopedia, we should be objective about this. He has a Jewish mother, so he is technically a Jew who was raised Roman Catholic. It is about accuracy not how someone sees themselves.
- Hope you understand,
- Guy Montag 10:13, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- This, however, reflects your own point of view: not everybody agrees that everybody with a Jewish mother is a Jew. I hope you agree with the current formulation. David.Monniaux 10:19, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Etzel
Take a look at the Irgun page, which I've taken the liberty of moving to make the common term more consistent with common Hebrew usage. I am working to clarify all the incidents that a) Etzel took responsibility for; b) are widely attributed to Etzel; c) are in all likelihood falsely attributed to Etzel; or c) are contrived fantasies conjured to demonize the group. I'd also like to include at least mention of the incidents that sparked the Etzel retaliations. Feel free to weigh in; I'm wading through a lot of source material. --Leifern 20:38, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
People at that article are asking you to specify your objections on the talk page. I can see that some items were factually incorrect, but after reading the supporting material, I don't see what POV has been overlooked. You'll have to explain. Gazpacho 12:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Recent edits at Hebron
You might want to take a look at the recent anonymous edits at Hebron. Jayjg (talk) 02:46, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The Golan Heights article might be of interest as well; apparently it is "uncontroversial" to include it in the "Syrian Geography" category, but controversial to include it in the "Israeli geography" category. Jayjg (talk) 05:52, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Guy. The other picture is better, and the caption lists both names. If you can upload an even better picture than the one there, I'd support putting that in. Jayjg (talk) 20:06, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
VDARE
Please see the talk page at VDARE, and please assume good faith. Thanks, -Willmcw 00:17, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
You might be interested in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-globalization and Anti-Semitism. Jayjg (talk) 17:40, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Would you mind weighing in on a dispute I am having with User:Majestiq at Israeli West Bank barrier. Jayjg (talk) 01:10, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Al Aqsa intifada name
Wikipedia convention is to use the most common name. A quick Google search indicates that "Al Aqsa Intifada" is marginally more common that "Second Intifada", at around 73,000 to 71,000 uses. If you can prove that "Second Intifada" is actually more commonly used, then you would have a good argument for moving the article.
Ezrahut and Leum
I saw that no one answered your question so I will. Leum means "national" "Am" means Nation and ezrahut I think means citizen, but dont quote me on that.
Guy Montag 17:47, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Since you chose to answer this on my user talk page rather than wherever I asked it, I have no idea of the context (other than obviously something to do with Israel). I have about 2,000 pages watchlisted, so I don't really know where to start. Could you aim me at the page? Or, if you also have put the answer where I asked the question, I'm sure I'll see it within a day or so. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:13, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
Khazars
Khazars has been nominated for Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates. Given your lively participation in Wikipedia Judaism-related issues, I thought this might be of interest to you. Your vote and/or comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Briangotts 16:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please note the "contributions" of User:Powergrid; he seem determined to violate Wikipedia's content and NPOV rules. Jayjg (talk) 23:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) You'll probably find the edits of User:Islamist equally enlightening. Jayjg (talk) 02:25, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It appears that User:Irishpunktom is reverting my edits blindly on several articles, primarily Arab-Israeli conflict, Terrorism, and Popular Resistance Committees. I'd be interested in a 3rd part take on the controversy, if you don't mind. Jayjg (talk) 14:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
if so, hi! i am Lifetimer :) Project2501a 12:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Template talk:Israelis
Hello Guy, please see current discussion at Template talk:Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 07:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm having a dispute with an editor who insists on putting in the flag of the State of Palestine at Palestinian territories, with some rather POV captions as well. Since she is very insistent on having the Palestinian flag in there, I have inserted the flag of Israel as well for now, but I don't think either flag belongs, since the final status and ultimate ownership of the territories has not been decided. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Jayjg (talk) 21:44, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Image tags
Ok, first off, no personal attacks. Calling me a vandal is such. Second, Possibly Unfree Images has a clear, month long process for dealing with images. Those images have just entered the second stage of that process, where they are tagged in the article, and we look for the copyright. The tags are therefor there for a very good reason. Please leave them. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 10:01, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Regardless of how long they have been on WP, they have incorrect copyright tags and no source. Thus, they are listed on WP:PUI, to find a copyright tag or to be deleted. Since you are very concerned about them, please do the research and find us a source, or a replacement image that we can use. Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 21:43, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- Burgundavia appears to be correct, there is no copyright information given about these images. I suppose you could try to claim they're all covered under "Fair use", but it would be simpler to just clarify the source and copyright status of the images. Jayjg (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Reverts
Your continued reverts on Mordechai Vanunu are placing you at risk for being blocked for violations of the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. Please review the Three-revert rule, and please refrain from continuing such behavior. Use Talk:Mordechai Vanunu to hash out differences. Sincerely, Kingturtle 03:35, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Deir Yassin
Agreed, thanks. I added it to my watch- and todo lists, both of which are too long as well. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:28, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I just realized there is no article on Wikipedia about the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe in Arabia who were slaughtered wholesale in cold blood at the orders of Muhammad. Is this something you'd be interested in collaborating on with me? --Briangotts 20:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
- Great! I'll see what I can put together in the next week or so and have you take a look at it and make what changes and additions you feel are appropriate. --Briangotts 17:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
- Check out what I've got so far. It's just a beginning. I suspect that I'm in for a lot of ad hominem attacks and revert wars by some of our Wiki-colleagues. --Briangotts 22:03, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- On your advice I included the PBS site, though I think it's largely a whitewash. Nonetheless, our friend User:Yuber has taken some swings at the article already... --Briangotts 02:30, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- I'll cull some tidbits from there when I return from my business trip next week. In the meantime feel free to do whatever tweaking you feel is necessary. --Briangotts 12:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
IDF Chiefs of Staff articles needed
Shalom Guy: As you can see at: History of the Israel Defense Forces#List of Chiefs of the General Staff, there are no articles about six (out of 18) of the Israel Defense Forces' Chiefs of Staff: (1) Dan Shomron (1987-1991); (2) Moshe Levi (1983-1987); (3) Mordechai Gur (1974-1978); (4) David Elazar (1972-1974); (5) Tzvi Tzur (1961-1963); (6) Chaim Laskov (1958-1961). Are you able to provide some history and information about them? Thank you. IZAK 11:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- This is now done. IZAK 07:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel
Shalom Guy: Please contact User:Humus sapiens who wishes to start a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel See his request below. Thanks IZAK 07:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Guy, consider youself invited to WP:WNBI. Spread the word. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
You might be interested in commenting on User:Yuber's latest edits at Sea of Galilee. Jayjg (talk) 15:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Another article into which he is inserting POV is Jizya. Jayjg (talk) 05:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- I appreciate your efforts to bring him to reason, but he doesn't seem to respond on Talk: in any meaningful way, he just reverts to his POV. Jayjg (talk) 05:51, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Your edit was even better, as it was the most accurate. As I've discovered, whenever he inserts a source you must read it quite carefully, as the information he enters on the page often doesn't match the source provided. Good work. Jayjg (talk) 05:56, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
What I'd really like is for him to respect Wikipedia's NPOV policies, and to communicate meaningfully on the Talk: page. Unfortunately, it often seems that reverting him is the only way to get him to even come to the Talk: page. I wish he would work towards consensus, in co-operation with other editors, rather than his general practice of inserting deliberately provocative POV into articles without Talk: or comment, and then defending that POV with edit wars. Jayjg (talk) 06:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Sigh. Now he's working on Palestinian territories. Jayjg (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
World Council of Churches article
There is an impasse. I believe I have been trying to develop the article. My understanding is that the material you keep reinserting needs more context.
Why did you delete the Simon Wiesental Centre quote? It is a primary source, better evidence than a anti-liberal media outlet. It also provided context rather than the blunt assertion you reinserted. Paul foord 13:06, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You seem to be editing this article without having read its content. It says that Nicolas Sarkozy's mother was not Jewish, because her own mother was Catholic and she herself was Catholic. Please stop reverting to an inaccurate version.
I note that you were cautioned against jumping to conclusions about Sarkozy's jewishness from vague reports saying his mother was of "Greek-Jewish origin". I specifically pointed out that it could simply mean that his mother's father was a Jew (which he was before converting to Catholicism).
I may add that you seem to have bizarre obsessions about finding out Jewish politicians in countries whose politics you obviously do not follow much. This is weird, to say the least. David.Monniaux 07:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well.. I'm personally not too keen on commenting on length on Paul Sarkozy's affairs. However, they seem to have played upon the formation of young Nicolas. That is, Nicolas Sarkozy seem to have deeply rejected his womanizing father, who left his mother to fend for herself with her children. If one follows the idea that an adult's character is to some extent shaped by childhood trauma, this would perhaps explain his combativeness. You may also have heard the recent scandal, whereby Sarkozy, even as a minister, cheated on his wife (and his wife retaliated by cheating on him); he also seems to have "stolen" his wife from TV host Jacques Martin. So there may be a story of father emulating son. I'm myself not much interested in the sexual life of personalities (unless it interferes with their work, see in corruption or misappropriation cases) but some people seem to be.
(I'm somewhat surprised that Sarkozy is one of the few French political personalities that you like — I was under the impression that you did not follow French politics that much !)
I admit that I'm quite protective of this article. Nicolas Sarkozy is a controversial personality, well liked by many abroad as well as in France, and also hated. He's a probable presidential contender. That's why I think we should be very very cautious before asserting unproved "facts" upon him. David.Monniaux 14:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Since you seem to know alot about the French system and have written most the articles yourself, perhaps you can help me out in understanding some of the more byzantine regulations. For example, what does it mean that the court of cessation has to issue a mandatory non binding opinion on every order in council?
I'm afraid that I don't understand your question. France doesn't have "orders in council"; this is a British terminology for certain executive decisions authorized by the Monarch (well, in practice, decided by the Prime Minister, with the Monarch automatically agreeing upon them). France has decrees. Decrees can be taken "in the council of ministers". Decrees, however, cannot be taken arbitrarily; they have to comply with general principles of Law, existing laws, constitutional principles and the Constitution. It is possible to have them cancelled by litigating before the Conseil d'État (mainly, before its litigation section).
The Conseil d'État (other sections) also has to issue a mandatory non binding opinion on every "law project" (i.e. law proposed by the ministers, as opposed to law proposed by members of parliament); it also has to issue mandatory non binding opinion on certain decrees (not all). This means that the ministers have to refer the matter to the Conseil and get its opinion, but they may ignore this opinion. However, failing to refer the matter or to wait for the opinion renders the proceedings null and void.
This provision is here to force the government to seek expert legal advice before moving forward. The rationale is that it's better for the government to be warned in advance that there may be some annoying legal issues in their proposal, rather than to wait for the proposal to be accepted, then for the newly adopted legislation to be challenged in court. Saves money for everybody. David.Monniaux 05:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Arbitration
We just need to be pointed to places where policies have been breached; diffs would be particularly helpful. I'm not familiar with this case, but I know from past experience how annoying trying to put together evidence is - it's just really necessary if we're to know how to properly respond to a particular case. If you need a bit of time to get things together, it might be wise to temporarily pull the case - it's probably likely to get rejected as it currently stands, but if you post it again in a week with some more evidence, we'll see what happens then. Ambi 13:28, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't recollect having much interaction with Yuber myself, so I don't see how I can get involved in this. I agree with Ambi that you have not presented a list of diffs that particularly show any problematic edits. The only thing I've noticed that he's done repeatedly is to insist on referring to territories that Israel holds outside the Green Line as "occupied". Frankly, I happen to agree with his view there, but unlike him I would not deliberately edit against consensus in some particular article. Which is to say, I think the consensus here is wrong, but it's a consensus, so I abide by it. I think it would be useful for you to link to half a dozen occasions where he's done this, and also to where people have pointed out to him that the consensus is otherwise. However, if that's all he's done, that's pretty run of the mill. I see him adding a lot of material to articles, most of it on-topic, if sometimes arguably un-encyclopedic. If you see a bunch of what he's done as inappropriate, you really should provide a commented list of links to examples. -- Jmabel | Talk 15:46, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to help but I'm relatively new to this. What do you need from me? --Briangotts 02:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I've put in a short account of my experiences with Yuber at the request for Arbitration. I hope it helps. His continual insertion of blatantly incorrect information into all Islamic-related articles is cause for real concern, as is his constant revert warring whenever something factual is put into those articles that isn't all roses and sunshine.Enviroknot 05:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Enviroknot
I suggest that you look at his contributions history, with particular attention to his edit summaries. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've sent you an e-mail through Wikipedia, or you can e-mail me through Wikipedia. Jayjg (talk) 21:56, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sheesh, have you seen his latest POV revert warring on 1982 Invasion of Lebanon? Jayjg (talk) 22:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you've duplicated the Terrorism link on the ArbCom page. Jayjg (talk) 00:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Racist edit
Although I appreciate that you reverted the edit, I am more concerned with whether it was a sock puppet of a member on these boards who is currently under threat of arbitration. Is there a way to find out?
Guy Montag 01:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Ask David Gerard (talk · contribs), who is an arbitrator with the power to do sock puppet checks. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Israeli demographics
There are monthly statistical reports from the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics, see [1]. --Zero 03:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
3RR
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks!
Guy, thanks for your kind comments on my page! It's been far pleasanter to work together here than I expected, mainly due to the generous attitude of those I've had the pleasure to come into contact with.--John Z 16:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Zionist terrorism
I replied on Talk:Zionist terrorism. The article may need some trimming (or indeed, as you suggest, splitting), but let's discuss what to cut more first. - Mustafaa 01:27, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
3RR warning
Guy, you seem to have violated 3RR at Terrorism. The only reason I'm not considering a block is that I've just unblocked User: BrandonYusufToropov for a 3RR violation on the same page, because he persuaded me he hadn't intended to violate it, and I feel I ought to treat you both equally. However, it's clear that you're editing-by-revert, which is not acceptable. Brandon has indicated he'll revert less often from now on, so I hope you'll do likewise. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:39, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
Arbitration
Thanks for your note about the arbitration case. I've added a statement. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Statement by SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin (talk) 09:20, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
What's the status of your arbitration case? --Briangotts 16:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
New user, possible Toropov or Yuber sockpuppet?
A new user named Anonymous editor has popped up and is making a large number of edits coinciding with Yuber and Toropov's usual POV pushing.
Just thought you should be aware.Enviroknot 05:45, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Here's his Contribs page: focuses of note would include Saudi Arabia (where he did some suspiciously Yuber-like hack and slash on the topic of Religious Police), Jihad (where he's just following the standard taqiyya and kitman deny-deny-deny line) - but I suspect there are more, especially as he works hand-in-hand with Commodore Sloat.Enviroknot 05:53, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A number of us have tried to clean up the damage BrandonYusufToropov and "Anonymous editor" have done today, but there are plenty of their sockpuppets and allies like the Islamist Admin Mel Etitis running around. Keep informed.
Enviroknot, maybe if you started making factual edits, non-racist edits and committing vandalism on the talk page, people will not argue against you. You are the ONLY pov pusher in the article and make personal attacks against people, delete stuff of the talk page. You can not call anyone you disagree with an 'islamist' and insist on adding anti-Islamic POV . While others have insisted that they want to solve disputes productively, you have done nothing but commit vandalism against the article. You also seem happy in deleting any evidence presented against you being a sockpuppet of user Kain and others.Btw, what I contribute to is my own business and you are the only one who is using anon IPs to edit the talk page and the article itself. Anyone can see that. You are nothing more than a hypocrit and you enjoy accussing others when committing the acts of vandalism yourself. Mel etitis is not even muslim so how can you call him an 'islamist'. --Anonymous editor 02:04, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)