Talk:Vinča symbols
Slavic mythology ?
- The inscription could be read as STRRBOG (LTR), which sounds similar to Stribog, Slavic god of wind. The letter B is topped with an arrow and in the bottom left corner there is image of, possibly, bow and arrow; in Slavic mythology, Stribog's winds are helping the arrows to fly. It could be concluded that this is an amulet of precision.
LOL! I think it's obvious that the Slavs didn't lived in that region 3000 BC. Interestingly enough, the some Hungarians also claimed that the same clay tablet is "Hungarian" script. :) [1].
- I wrote: could be read. Of course, other readings are possible. It is mathematically proven that deciphering a short text is impossible - you will end with several versions of the text that make sense. Unless much more material is found, the reading of the tablets will remain forever disputed. As for Slavs, it is not impossible that Slavs adopted a god from an older culture. Nikola
Both these theories are complete non-sense. Both the Slavs and the Hungarians were not living in this region at that time. Bogdan 19:40, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I think this whole article is nonsense - 'Vinca alphabet' gets one hit on google, and the claims of 6th millennium B.C. is just frankly absurd.
- The dates are found out by radiocarbon dating, now it could be wrong for even a millenium according to some... Nikola
It sounds like a national myth
- Funny :) Of which nation? Vincan? :))) Nikola
and this article certainly wants NPOVing if not outright deleting. Morwen 19:45, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Try searching for "Vinca script". Nikola
- I did - that gets me NINE hits, oh joy. This article is just a pile of lies. Morwen 22:36, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- "vincha script" OR "vinca script" OR "vinca alphabet" OR "vincha alphabet" gives 24. What is the basis for your conclusion that this article is "a pile of lies"? Nikola 22:44, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- It should be moved to Vinca culture since we don't know whether it's really an alphabet. Bogdan 19:50, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Vinca culture should be about, surprisingly, Vinca culture. Perhaps this could be moved to Vinca script, but I think that it is shown quite convincigly that the script is an alphabet. Nikola
- Also, the chronology is all wrong. The symbols shown are pretty much identical to Etruscan. If Phoenician was derived from this, then they must have changed and then changed back again to exactly the same form, or remained mysteriously identical for a few thousand years...
- Yeah, your right. Unless the Thracians (or whoever made these) invented the time machine.
- Also, the chronology is all wrong. The symbols shown are pretty much identical to Etruscan. If Phoenician was derived from this, then they must have changed and then changed back again to exactly the same form, or remained mysteriously identical for a few thousand years...
- I don't see why. The oldest symbols are from 6th millenium BC, and the newest from 3nd millenium BC. I don't see why the symbols couldn't have lived a thousand years more and be adopted by Etruscans (or perhaps Etruscans are descendants of Vincans), without any Phoenician influence. Nikola
- Nikola, that's a pretty probable idea. From what I read, the script was written before the indo-europeans settle in Europe, and the only non-indo-europeans in Europe in antiquity were the Etruscs and the Basques, so it will not be impossible that the Vincans migrated toward Etruria. Bogdan 08:47, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Actually this is wrong, because some of the symbols on the Tartaria tablets are not found in the Etruscan alphabet ([2]).
- But these symbols are found on the tablets only. This symbols are found repeatedly on various artifacts - as I said, more then 1000 of them. There are more symbols that are not in the alphabet (see Omniglot page) but they are also not used consistently. Perhaps I should have made it clearer. Nikola 22:31, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Now I conclude that User:Morwen has a time machine because he conducted an opinion poll among scholars, and found that this is not accepted by the majority of them, in five minutes. :)))))) Nikola 22:52, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- No, I know this because it is not accepted in any of the books I've read about writing systems, and it would certainly be mentioned, if it wasn't a fringe theory. Morwen 22:55, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I'd be quite interested to see photos of these inscriptions. Would that be possible? Morwen 22:57, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- There's an unsorted pile of individual symbols at Omniglot, and there's the book, if you can find it (it has no photos, only drawings).
- I could photocopy the inscriptions and mail them to you or only describe them if you think that would be accurate enough if you apologise for calling me a liar and promise to work on the article constructively. Nikola 09:37, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- No, I called the article a pile of lies, not you a liar. I am willing to believe you are parrotting other people's lies and believe them. ;) Morwen 10:33, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I withdraw that. It was instead a pile of dubious conjecture presented as fact. Morwen 11:55, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)