Talk:Edward V

Is there contemporary evidence that Richard had his brother declared illegitimate? From my understanding, this is more Tudor propaganda. Richard was devoted to his mother, and to declare her as cuckolding his father is rather unthinkable. -- Zoe

Besides which, the old girl was still very much alive and would have had his guts for garters. But there are indications that was one of the stories Clarence was spreading to enhance his chance at the throne and, therefore, the reason their mother didn't hold his execution against Edward and Richard. But it was definitely the Tudor propagandists who said it in public and attributed it to Richard. -- isis 31 Aug 2002

Contemporary accounts of what was said vary. Mancini, who is often quoted by Richard's supporters, is one of those who said that Edward IV himself was declared illegitimate.

I don't think that replacing reasoned argument with non-NPOV stuff is going to help resolve the issue. --Deb

What issue? Nobody ever declared Edward IV illegitimate, so there is no evidence that anyone did. Edward's children were declared illegitimate, by Parliament, in Titulus Regius. Those are facts, and there's a huge difference between NPOV and revisionism. -- isis 31 Aug 2002

There is also no evidence of Edward IV's pre-contract. However, there is a big difference between listing all available evidence and selectively listing the bits you prefer to believe in. Even the Richard III Society website is more objective than the article as it stands. Deb

Yes, there was evidence of the precontract, namely, the Bishop's eye-witness testimony, and it was credible enough to convince Parliament. --isis 31 Aug 2002

Are we really going to descend to repeating all these tired old for-and-against-Richard III arguments? I did my best to make the article NPOV and objective. You have chosen to present only the evidence you find palatable. I can't be bothered to continue the debate --Deb