Talk:Battle of Grunwald
Is it Grunwald, or Grünewald? JHK
In Polish it is certainly Grunwald. And it is in middle of Poland now, so that should be a default spelling on Wikipedia. Not to mention that its simpler (On the other hand this is etymologically clearly a German word.). If German spelling is Grünewald or whatever you can add a note about this spelling. --Taw
- Taw, here's my take in it -- if the battle took place when the area had a German name, then the German name is the one most English-speakers would use. In the case of all of those Baltic ex-German places that now have Russian or Polish names, I think we should go by the current name -- the difference is that cities are living things, so to speak -- our point of reference is now, and then we trace back through history to see other names. For a battle or other event, like the Defenestration of Prague (not Praha), we default to the most normally used (in current English) name. Does that make sense? I'm still not sure about the name, though -- does Grunwald mean Green Forest in Polish? or is it a Polanization of a German name? I'll try to look up the Battle in English and see what the norm is. JHK
I believe it should be "Grunwald" - apart from the current name of the Polish location, this name is most common. Currently, the re-enacting groups are inviting to the battle of Grunwald, not Grünewald (and such is the name on roadmapes). Searching in Google, I've found 722 entries of "battle of Grunwald" and only 21 "battle of Grünewald". So, most speakers don't use it. There are also 477 entries of "battle of Tannenberg" 1410. This battle is not known in Poland as battle of Tannneberg at all. Therefore, I think, that there should be a redirect from battle of Tannenberg (1410) to battle of Grunwald, and the later should be supplemented with info: "also known as the battle of Tanneberg (1410)" Pibwl 12:35, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
In my opinion the preferred term is Battle of Grunwald as it is commonly known. The alternative name is Battle of Tannenberg(Stebark). Please note that there was another battle of Tannenberg in 1914 during WWI - Caius2ga 21:56, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I added merge boilerplates. For the record this Battle is called Battle of Tannenberg in Encyclopedia Britannica Online Przepla 19:22, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The text from Battle of Tannenberg seems to be the same:
This article should be merged with Battle of Grunwald.
1410 -- The Battle of Tannenberg or Battle of Grünwald (called also Battle of Zalgiris by Lithuanians) occurred July 15 1410.
It was a battle between two alliances. On the one hand, the Polish, Lithuanian, Ruthenian and Tatar forces under the command of the Lithuanian-Polish king Wladyslaw Jagiello (about 39,000 troops). On the other hand, forces of the Teutonic Knights and their allies from various parts of Europe (about 27,000 troops) under the Great Master of the Teutonic Order Urlich von Jungingen.
The Battle was won by Jagiello's forces. Ulrich von Jungingen died in battle. After this battle the Teutonic Knights never regained its previous power.
Other battles at the same location: Battle of Tannenberg (1914).
See History -- Military history -- List of battles -- History of Poland -- History of Prussia -- History of Lithuania
I see this has been discussed already, but I thought I would mention (as someone who lives nowhere near the site of the battles) that both the 1410 one and the 1914 one are known as Tannenberg, to me. I'm not sure if it matters that it called Grunwald in Poland, since this is in English...we've had this debate over other things on the Wikipedia today, too. Ah well, I suppose Grunwald is acceptable...as long as it's not at Zalgris :) Adam Bishop 06:42, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)