Talk:List of Polish people
Johannes Hevelius, (1611-1687), astronomer
Was a Polish Astronomer born in Gdansk Poland who served under King Sobieski I beleive he should be added to the list.
I wonder if he was of German decent, or was Polish.Vancouverguy 04:22, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
He was Polish and was the first Pole elected to the elected to the Royal Society in 1664.
http://www.nd.edu/~dharley/HistIdeas/Hevelius.html http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=41189
Stop Changing the Proper Changes Vancouverguy.
The "polish" bit in the Brittanica article seems to be the Polish translation of his name. The other article does not say (at least at a glance) if he was Polish or German.Vancouverguy 04:31, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
He was born in Poland and is just as Polish as Copernicus, If copernicus is on the list then so should Hevelius.Kommiec 04:33, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
This site [1] lists him as German and this site [2] lists him as Polish but possibly of German origin. The notions of what is today Poland and what is today Germany didn't exist in the 17th century. Most sites avoid the controversy by simply stating that he was from Danzig/Gdansk. If it is not clear that he is Pole perhaps he shouldn't be on the list. InanimateCarbonRod 04:42, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The Original Information was taken from Britannica in 1911 when Gdansk was Danizg(Current Britannica lists Gdansk,Poland) your first site seems to be a public domain site and it cant be credited. 12.243.94.55 04:46, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is there such a thing as a German Pole? Or a German of Polish descent? I mean, can't a person be both? --Uncle Ed 02:43, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Copernicus (D), Fahrenheit (D), Hevelius (D), Mandelbrot (F), Ulam (US) and Zamenhof (RUS) were not Poles, even though some of them were born in Poland? Stop the edit war!
In the last days I got the impression, that someone tries to change the Polish history. Copernicus (D), Fahrenheit (D), Hevelius (D), Mandelbrot (F), Ulam (US) and Zamenhof (RUS) were not Poles, even though some of them were born in Poland (in case of Zamenhof im not sure). I recognised it also in the Silesia or Silesian language discussions and now famous french or german people suddenly became polish. 82.82.126.128 14:48, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Was Copernicus Polish?
Was Copernicus Polish? In my opinion he was Prussian (german). 82.82.126.128 15:15, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Please read first the discussion about the nationality of Copernicus. Copernicus and his father, were Polish citizens. Copernicus' nationality AM
Copernicus definitely was German
Here a Copernicus statement from 1529 (Hermann Kesten):
"Wehe dir, armes Preußenland, daß du für eine so schlechte Verwaltung nun büßen mußt!- Wenn hier nicht bald Abhilfe geschieht, dann wird Preußen bald nur Münzen besitzen, die nichts als Kupfer enthalten. Dann wird jeder Handel mit dem Auslande aufhören. Denn welcher fremde Kaufmann wird seine Waren für Kupfermünzen verkaufen...? Einem solchen Verfall des Preußenlandes sehen die Machthaber ruhig zu; sie lassen unser liebes Vaterland, dem wir alles verdanken, dem wir unser Leben selbst schulden, durch kopflose Nachläßigkeit, von Tag zu Tag mehr, kläglich untergehen!"
In this text Copernicus says, he is Prussian. And Prussia, of course never was Polish. Copernicus had Silesian parents (in those days German).
- Silesian maybe. But they lived in Krakow. Prussia had nothing to do with Germany.
- Being Prussian doesn't mean he was German...Prussians were Slavic and had a Slavic language before being absorbed by Germany and adopting German, were they not? In the 15th century I don't think that had happened yet, had it? (I don't really know.) Adam Bishop 15:24, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Stop the edit war!
The slavic Origin of Prussia has nothing to do with Poland. Prussia became german long time before Copernicus. And, Copernicus spoke german. Even he would have spoken polish. Poland didn't exist in those days. Germany, too. Therefore he could be called Prussian, but not Polish. Therefore a Copernicus in a List of Poles is wrong. I think it is undoubtable, that Fahrenheit, Hevelius, Mandelbrot were no Poles. Please stop the edit war! 82.82.126.128 15:30, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- The list included also people born in Poland. I don't think we should care too much, about origins of people, if they were creative and had a chance to work in Poland or outside Poland.
- In some cases people were born in what is Poland since 1945, but was German or Russian before.
- Every reference to Copernicus I have ever seen except on the Wikipedia has said he is Polish. This includes the Encyclopaedia Britannica, see [3]. Markcollinsx 15:41, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
In those days Poland didn't exist. He was Prussian, Prussia was a part of German Empire. He spoke German, and, as I posted above, he said, he was Prussian. Perhaps he was not "German", but he was not "Polish", too. 82.82.126.128 15:49, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Please read some history, before trying to fix an encyclopedia!!!!
Why are "North" and "South" Pole not listed here?? orthogonal 21:51, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)
It is a ridiculous quarrel. My misterious User: 82.82.126.128, you are crazy! From your point of view there is no Americans: all are of foreign origins. Better, accordnig to your point of view Heine was not German (Jew) and kings of Great Britain are Germans. And Germans living east of Elbe are not Germans (are mainly of Slavic origin). As well as President of Slovakia (Rudolf Schuster). It is ridiculous, is not it?
Faranheit and Hevelius were born in Poland (Danzig belonged to Poland in XVII and XVIII centuries (from 1466 to 1793). Faranheit never lived in any German state! The French regard Maria Curie as French and the British as British (they were ethnic Polish born in Poland) and there is no problem for me. I would like to ask you to shut up, and start spoil the Wikipedia somewere else. Regards,
von Fiszman