Talk:Philippe II, Duke of Orléans

The family relationships are confused here -- nephew or brother? J Hofmann Kemp

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DW -- you need to provide some sources for this and try to provide NPOV. This kind of writing does not belong here -- especially if you don't substantiate it. J Hofmann Kemp

Philippe was a professed atheist who read the satirical works of Francois Rabelais inside a Bible binding during mass and a man who liked to hold orgies on religious high holidays. He had the artistic temperament of a Renaissance prince and the morals of a tomcat.

That second sentence is part of what I just deleted, as it is both POV and essentially unprovable, unless you've conducted a full psychological profile of every Renaissance prince as well as exhaustive moral tests on tomcats.

The 18th century Kings of France are the most closely documented monarchs in history. (There are even details precisely recorded of going to the toilet!) What I quote from is the most preeminent chronicler of that period, Sanche de Gramont. Suggest you do not remove things or claim NPOV simply because you do not know historical facts. As to debauchery, how much should one put in an encyclopedia? I mentioned orgies, isn't that enough? ...DW

P.S. I sure like people who do little or no work (in certain areas and toooooo much in others) but love to critize!.... DW