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Congo Genocide

If you're going to characterize the war in the Congo as a genocide, don't just do it in the lead to the article on Congo-Kinshasa. It should also be in the article on the Second Congo War, and in Genocides_in_history#The_Congo - especially in the first. The article on the Second Congo War should explain: why do you call it genocidal? what ethnicity was being systematically killed? by whom? Otherwise, the label of genocidal rings hollow, and is weakened. Thanks, Dosai 9 July 2005 05:04 (UTC)

Yeah, I see (but disagree with) your point, it has to come from the UN, or at least some imperialist countries (Bangladesh and Nambia, for example, not being among them), but I'm prfoundly bitter over it, nor do I place that much more faith in the statements of MONUC over Gen. Laurent Nkunda; I mistrust them both. It is MONUC's (&others) abominable actions and lack thereof which rings more than hollow.
  • http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAFR620222002?open&of=ENG-COD -- "The organization receives consistent reports of large-scale killings of unarmed civilians that are carried out, ordered and condoned by leaders using ethnic affiliations to acquire or maintain economic and political power. As a result, armed clashes between members of the Hema and Lendu ethnic groups has left an estimated 50,000, mainly civilian, dead since June 1999, and forced around 500,000 people to flee, with 60,000 displaced in Bunia, the capital of Ituri province, alone." (emphasis added)
  • http://www.unis.unvienna.org/unis/pressrels/2001/sc7186.html -- "RUHUL AMIN [Bangladeshi Director General for Multilateral Economic Affairs (MEA) of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Counsellor Permanent Mission of Bangladesh to the United Nations at the Security Council] said he was outraged to learn of the crimes of genocide in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the extremely disturbing reports of some 750 civilians being been massacred. Armed forces continued to harass and make arbitrary arrests and there was forced recruitments and rape. He said the Interahamwe had committed a reign of terror; it was time to bring an end to such activities."
  • http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3869489.stm -- DR Congo pygmies 'exterminated.' The International Criminal Court is being urged to investigate "a campaign of extermination" against pygmies in the Democratic Republic of Congo. (6 July, 2004)
  • http://wmun2005.piranho.com/wmun/judgement_floribert.doc -- And while the judgment concluded that: "Mr. Njabu Ngabu acted in accordance with his duties under Art. 28 RS, his criminal liability for the genocidal acts of his subordinates cannot be estsablished [and the ICC found] Mr. Njabu Ngabu NOT GUILTY of the crime of genocide (Art. 6 RS) under superior responsibility as a military commander (Art. 28(a) RS)." [Still,] The Court holds that Mr. Njabu Ngabu did not violate any of his duties with regard to the incident in Bunia on 6 May 2003. Due to the wartime circumstances in the region, Mr. Njabu Ngabu did not have the material possibilities to prevent the attack." *** meaning someone committed and led that attack nonentheless.
  • Google cache -- "Media echoes Nujoma's [President of Nambia] condemnation of genocide in DRC"
  • http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1340266.stm -- UN warned of DR Congo 'genocide' (2001) *** "The Democratic Republic of Congo and its allies have accused the UN of ignoring a "genocide" of 2.5 million people in the rebel-held east of the country. '[W]e call upon the international community, especially the UN, to condemn this genocide being committed,' said Namibian President Sam Nujoma."
  • http://www.allthingspass.com/uploads/html-UVM_Lecture.htm -- [keith harmon snow lecture: WAR CORRESPONDENT, GENOCIDE EXPERT AT UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT, 15 March 2005] In 2004, Snow worked for Genocide Watch and Survivors Rights International documenting crimes against humanity and genocide in Ethiopia and the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). His reports have influenced the World Organization Against Torture, Human Rights Watch, the United Nations and the US Government. *** he big story is Congo, Snow says, where some six million people have died since 1998. And the war started in 1996, and before that there was Mobutu Sese Seko, the dictator of thirty some years. Thousands and thousands of women and girls have been raped in Congo, but its pretty much kept quiet in the news. There's a lot of powerful mining interests in Congo, and you wonÕt believe who is involved.
  • http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=242324&area=/insight/insight__comment_and_analysis/ -- which brings us back to Njabu Ngabu: "'If you put the meetings, the financial support and the house together, clearly it’s a relationship,' Anneke van Woudenberg, author of the HRW report, told the M&G. 'There is no way AGA could have got access to the Mongbwalu area without developing a relationship with the FNI,' she added. The report quotes FNI leader Floribert Njabu Ngabu as saying: 'I am the one who gave AGA permission to come. I am the boss of Mongbwalu.' "
  • http://www.crimesofwar.org/onnews/news-congo.html -- 'Can the Inetrnational Communityavert genocide in the DRoC?' May 21, 2003] "'Our evaluation, from what we know, it could be a genocide' said Carla del Ponte, prosecutor for the UN war crimes tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda on May 13, referring to the latest outbreak of violence in the Democratic Republic of Congo."
  • http://www.monuc.org/News.aspx?newsID=2874 -- Apperently rebel leader, General Laurent Nkunda, self-corrected himself on whether genocide had taken place in Banyamulenge. *** " 'I withdraw unconditionally. I was mistaken. There has been no genocide against Banyamulenge in Bukavu,' Laurent Nkunda told MONUC officials yesterday evening."
  • http://www.monuc.org/NewsPrint.aspx?NewsID=2908 -- rebel leader, General Laurent Nkunda misquoted? *** Interview: VOA: "Apparently you told MONUC your were misguided as to the genocide of Banyamulenge. When did you find out you were mistaken?" G.N: "I didn't say that, and I was surprised that they put those words in my mouth. Once we began the war, they asked me to speak, but today at least people spoke in my place. That is what surprised me. But I never said that I had made a mistake, because until now I known there was genocide. I have the names of the victims. Until now, I am waiting for an investigation to be set up so responsibilities can be established."
And so we wait. "Just the tip of the iceberg." Anyway, I'm bound by the infamously delayed response of the UN. I was actually under the impression the German government called it a genocide, but apperently I confused their recent admittion of genocide in Namibia earleir in the Century. My argument is that there is genocide, but the powers are not interested in it being made public at this point (nor placed under a comprehensive framework), and I suppose I am bound by their ownership over the means of communication, investigation, and, erm, prevention. I lose my argument (here), the DRoC loses much more, each and every day. But that is not for us to know. Yet. Which, I suppose means, no genocidal attribution to the 2nd Congo War. Potent doublespeak, but Wikiepdia is a reliable source of info. This is why I write so little about current conflicts in Africa, one cannot stand up to the organized supression, distortion, understatement and unreliability of information; not on Wikipedia, which seeks to mirror the main stream media rather than attempting to go beyond it. To Wikipedia it is all original research. ~ Five million dead, yet somehow no appreciable number have been targetted especially, though(?) It is a lie. History will vindicate my claims. You may remove the word until such time when the turth comes out more explicitly in the mainstream. El_C 22:01, 9 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reading. I will remove "genocidal" from the lead to the DRoC article. You needn't be so cynical. What you have done is not original reserch - but the above is drawn from existing sources. You should write a wikipedia article (or section in the article on the Second Congo War) on "The Case for Genocide in the Second Congo War". There's a place, even a need, for such an article. It would highlight the politics involved in labelling a conflict as a genocide, and hence explain why western countries are so slow to label a conflict as such. To get things started, I copied these links to Talk:Second_Congo_War#The_Case_for_Genocide Dosai 17:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstood me, profoundly. Also, you mistake pathos (and realism) for cynicism. El_C 09:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear Power Protection Lifting

Hi, hey, I think lifting the protection on Nuclear Power was premature - we're just starting to mediate in [1] and if we re-start the editwarring in Nuclear Power then the hot emotions will spill over into our mediation. We decided not to ask for simultaneous mediations - could I ask for protection until we can get past Price-Anderson? Simesa 21:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

El C, we aren't actively working on mediating the nuclear power article, but some of the same disputes have occurred in both that article and Price-Anderson Act, which is being mediated. One of the main disputants has already tried to introduce disputes over the nuclear power article into the Price-Anderson Act mediation, and I have to believe that unprotecting either right now could be disruptive to progress. Thanks. · Katefan0(scribble) 22:31, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
Well, it is somewhat problematic, since that article is broader than just the Act, of course, as in the science itself (many countries), and it being protected prevents editors from wroking on it in ways totally unrelated to the dispute over the Act. I'll reprotect it, but I'm going to give Ed a pointer, and am inclined to follow his opinion on this. I should have done that to begin with. My apologies. El_C 23:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your points, maybe at this point the best way to go is to initiate mediation on the nuclear power article concurrently. · Katefan0(scribble) 15:00, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Reports removed from WP:AIV

I hereby award you this vandal whacking stick to help you in fighting the hordes of vandals.

I saw you removed these with the comment "seems to have subsided". Not sure I understand the comment. Reported vandalism yesterday on Wikipedia:Vandalism_in_progress. User was warned (the user was previously warned for vandalising Santa Claus in January), but behaviour continues. I added report to the request for intervention because of the comment on the in progress page that says reported offenders who persist in behaviour after warning should be escalated for intervention. Wouldn't that apply here? In any case, I'm not sure why this should be thought of as subsided, as this happens about once a day and all edits from the reported ID appear to be vandalism. Buffyg 12:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Responded here. El_C 12:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification. FYI: it happened again today. Buffyg 09:46, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the FYI. Got it. El_C 09:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your session

Yes, it definately looks like you've had a productive session! For all the vandal fighting you do, you deserve a vandal whacking stick. I'm working (very hard) to make it to 2000 edits, at which point Redwolf24 has promised to nominate me for admin! -- Essjay · Talk 12:45, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

It was much easier than it looks. Or, if it looks easy, it was. But many thanks! :) El_C 12:57, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spade's RfMediation

Hey, El C. Nice of you to drop by and offer your support. When you have a moment, please drop by Talk:Watermelon and offer your opinion on the inclusion of a racist image there. I'm interested in your take on it. (I myself initially leaned toward its inclusion, but changed my mind.) Also, please drop by and weigh in on the VfD for Cool (aesthetic)[2], if you are so inclined. Much appreciated. Paz. :) deeceevoice 02:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We'll see about my inclinations :p, as for the support, not at all, you deserve it. :) Yours, El_C 10:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moldoveana

A three-word article could be considered an article? --Vasile 10:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a ~ 20-word sentence to me; likely to grow. El_C 10:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To bet on the future on this language could be very risky. Actually, there are 11,200 users trained in this language in the world. --Vasile 11:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there are 3.6 million speakers in the world, and I am unintnerested in such bets, at any event. El_C 12:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am not interested in your bets. The discussion here is about written Moldoveana, not about spoken Moldovan language. There are 11,200 isolated Romanian users trained to write this [3] in a place named Transdniestr. --Vasile 15:53, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You should add that to pertinent article/s using English sources. Please do not remove links to any .mo stubs. El_C 21:08, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Surrealist cheers

Well, that was mildly exciting. "So you are a Keith Wigdor Fan?" Yes, yes I am. Damn anti-Wigdor fanatics! El_C 23:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Funny

I like your sense of humour [4] Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I suck at the humor almost as much as I suck at the internet, but thanks! :D El_C 23:24, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (from a sockpuppet!)

for the revert. I have been accused of being a sockpuppet - I have arrived in the world!!! Guettarda 23:47, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NP! You're moving up in the world! El_C 23:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the reverts, El C. Your help is appreciated. I couldn't get by without all of my sockpuppets. Cheers, -Willmcw 23:55, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
I only have one sockpuppet, SV. Except she scarcely obeys my brutal command. Schizophrenia is a harsh mistress. El_C 00:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You're both kinda cute though. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:07, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
Kinda? :( El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

El C, help please

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Hey El C, I'm a good friend of Essjay, but thats not why I'm here. Please take a look at User Talk:Redwolf24#You like messages. Unprovoked personal attacks. :-/ Redwolf24 00:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Any friend of Essjay is a friend of mine (I think! :p). Blocked for 24 hours for disruption and personal attacks. El_C 00:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Very unprovoked. I've had other trolls but I just revert them and they go away. Redwolf24 00:32, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. Yeah, s/he was pretty talkative. :) El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, El C, thanks for helping out Redwolf24; I wasn't around, or I would have been all over that troll. (Granted, I can't block them yet (five more days, I hope!) but I could have at least given it a strong talking to!) I don't know why Red gathers so many, I guess it's because of all his good work welcoming; he welcomes them, they turn out to be a troll, and they go after him. I can't stand seeing a good user like Red who does so much good work around here being harassed; when I think of it, the term auto de fe comes to mind. I swear by the name of Almighty Jimbo, the trolls shall not prevail! -- Essjay · Talk 04:43, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

S/he has sent me some delightful emails, correctly criticizing my overuse of exclamation marks!1!one!! El_C 10:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! (more sockpuppets!)

Anti-vandalism appreciation smiley

Thank you for reverting the vandalism of my user page!!! -- BDAbramson talk 00:12, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Me, too. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Me, three. Grutness...wha? 00:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise. Fastest rollback button in the West! Or maybe you and Everyking both... but you got in ahead of him this time. You're good! Bishonen | talk 01:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Marry me! Bishonen | talk 01:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you all so much, you've truly warmed my heart with your insane, sockpuppet jibberings! And marriage proposal accepted, again! /bows El_C 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Me too! HKT 04:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page on the 14th of July. --Viriditas | Talk 11:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, any time. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

213.249.154.98

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Hey, El C, would you look at 213.249.154.98 (talk · contribs) and consider a vandalism block? From his talk page and recent edits, he looks like a persistent vandal. Thanks! -- Essjay · Talk 10:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Done.. Best regards, El_C 10:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why thank you! I told you the trolls would not prevail! -- Essjay · Talk 10:18, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

That's two — two exclamation marks! El_C 10:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Have you been smoking something El C? You seem a bit giddy today... -- Essjay · Talk 10:48, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It's a banner day for me; would you consider 84.64.48.223 (talk · contribs)? -- Essjay · Talk 12:19, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

I love how he attacked me on the wrong page XD NickBush24 12:21, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

203.113.237.252

I saw you reverted Roman Catholic Church; any chance of a block on 203.113.237.252 (talk · contribs)? -- Essjay · Talk 13:34, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Let's see what s/he does next first. El_C 13:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No need; User:Morwen already blocked for vandalism at the Yellow Yell VfD. -- Essjay · Talk 13:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, that's why the vandalism stopped. I thought maybe s/he came to his/her senses, but apparently not. El_C 13:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that was it. Do you think it's a bad thing that I'm absolutely itching to get the rollback button? -- Essjay · Talk 13:47, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It is unfortunate your chances of winning the nomination are so slim, considering the scope and breadth of your opposition. Sorry! El_C 13:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know! But I still have a slim chance; if all of the five or six hundred new users I've welcomed decide to vote for me, I might scrape by. Maybe I can borrow your sockpuppets! ; - ) -- Essjay · Talk 13:58, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

RfC SlimVirgin

Hello. You left a comment on the above RfC that contained an error. I was never involved in reverting the page. My response is here, thought you may wish to take a look.~ Neuroscientist | T | C → 11:22, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Noted. El_C 12:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have ammended my comment to reflect for this discrapency on my part. El_C 12:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed some entries under the "evidence of disputed behaviour" that had been inserted by another editor that went beyond the original intent of the RFC. I have ammended the summary of the RFC to list its two specific goals: that SlimVirgin's edit contains too many errors to be reinserted into the article and that she has held herself above any criticism of her edit. There seemed to be a misunderstanding of the scope of the RFC. Hopefully this clarifies. FuelWagon 18:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. El_C 19:25, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Get a brain

Someone stole my picture! Or did I do it myself qua sockpuppet? SlimVirgin (talk) 00:48, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

Hello old friend

Essjay nominated me for Admin. Vote me in (or not) Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redwolf24 Redwolf24 01:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. PLEASE ARCHIVE THIS PAGE it takes forever to scroll down and then that Mandel thing gets in the way :) with respect, Redwolf24

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but was too nice to say so... ; - ) -- Essjay · Talk 02:48, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
Heh, the wishes of the peanut gallery above is my command. :) El_C 03:07, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thanks (unblocking)

Thanks for unblocking me, and yeah I understand that someone else would of blocked me, and I was acting like an idiot yesterday, because of everything that lead to what happened today started yesterday. So I've been mad, and I'm sure I was bothering you and everyone else, so sorry. I feel kind of stupid but eh. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 02:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted, gladly. I appreciate the honest introspection. That reflects well on you. El_C 03:07, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know my bothering again is probably unwelcome but thanks for saying that about me. So I have to say, some of you communists are alright. Okay well thanks again, and bye. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 04:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's no bother, thank you for the kind words. :) El_C 04:02, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and also I was reading stuff about me in your talk thing and by the way I'm a he, not a she, just so you know. Iamzodyourzodeveryzod 04:36, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mickey654

Mickey654 (talk · contribs) is a repeat vandal; he was blocked earlier in the week for vandalism. He's acutally the latest incarnation of the troll who has been harassing Redwolf24 & I. He just vandalized Red's RfA & mine; would you consider a block?

Comments on Red's Page

Uh, El, I'm confused by your comments on Red's talkpage. I removed the autowelcomer because User:Marijuanaisbad (the brother User:Iamzodyourzodeveryzod mentioned) was using it to repeatedly welcome people, which I was having to go and revert. (He even put a message on Jimbo's page; God I hope I don't have to explain that one.) Anyhow, what exactly did you mean? -- Essjay · Talk 19:10, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Nothing, it didn't mean anything. Just image spamming in goodfaith, which I tend to do a lot lately, it seems. :) El_C 19:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay, I just wasn't sure. By the way, can I get some advice from you via email about a problem I'm having at the moment? -- Essjay · Talk 19:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Sure, email away. El_C 19:21, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice; I listed it on AN/I. -- Essjay · Talk 21:39, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, man, keep an eye out for User:MoralHighGround. Under his latest identity he is deleting styles and adding in something he calls trivia to articles like George VI of the United Kingdom. He was already banned under one identity, and may even be that Aussie asshole we clashed with, back under yet another identity and editing articles I edit. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 22:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Racist vandalism

"If someone was to spraypaint the side of my house with that, I would repaint it --was-- the *nice* analogy. As I said, it's your talk page.)"

And there are those (like me) who choose to leave it. Besides, this isn't my "house." It's hardly the same. But what's with your selective removal of messages on your talk page? I never got that. What are you making "nice"/hiding? (Serious question.) deeceevoice 22:29, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't want to talk about it any further, sorry for not making that more clear. El_C 23:01, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not even to answer an honest question. Fine. 'S cool wit' me. deeceevoice 23:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's unfortunate you feel that way; still, I find it to be of little consequence. Sorry if I upset you, though. El_C 23:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I feel what way? I don't feel anything about this exchange. You're the one who seems upset. After all, you're the one who said you "didn't want to talk about it any further." I've simply asked you to refrain in the future from editing my words/submissions on my talk page -- which is a perfectly reasonable request, and you've agreed. As far as I'm concerned, we're cool. If we're not, let me know. deeceevoice 01:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry you feel my answer was not honest. I'm not upset, I didn't want to talk about it further because I found it to be unproductive. El_C 01:09, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

90% speak Russian

Hello El_c I found a source and I put all the info on the talk page of the Armenia article. Listen, we got off on a bad foot, the reason I said you piss me off is cause I asked you in a nice fashon that I know what I was talking about since I go to Armenia often and happen to be Armenian. And it seemed like you were making a big deal of a tiny edit, which I wouldn't bother to make a problem out of. But I'd like to hear your point of view.--Moosh88 01:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's tiny because it's one digit, but 40 to 90 per cent is far from insignificant. Even now, with that source —which itself, has no references to anything— how do we know it's not 85 or 95 percent? Who said 90, based on what? I'm just following social scientific methodological conventions. I can't take you at your word, because I don't have time to review your work at this time, sorry. El_C 02:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well can you do me a favor? Keep it at 90% for a few days, I'll find you a good source within 72 hours. Oh and why do you accept 40%? Since you don't know much about Armenia you can't accept anything without proof, I don't see any proof from anyone that 40% is correct, unless you know something I don't, in which case I'd like you to let me know--Moosh88 02:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that's fine. Anyway, even if you were/are chair of demography dept. in Yerevan State University, I would still ask for a verifiable source just the same. I read that "about 30% of Armenians in Armenia speak Russian as second language" here, which added to my confusion. El_C 02:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it seems that I also made a mistake. 90% of Armenians could speak Russian in 1989, but since then that number has gone down to about 75%. The source that I had read which stated that 90% of Armenians can speak Russian was published in the 80's. After looking through a more recent book on Armenian history and talking with brother (who lives in Armenia), the percentage should be at 75%. The book which gave me this figure is M. Chahin's The Kingdom of Armenia, Curzon, London, 2001. The page number is 278 and it follows "A decade after the fall of the U.S.S.R. many Armenians can still speak the de facto language of the Soviet Union, Russian. Although that has decreased in recent years due to the large outflow of Armenians from Armenia. This years unoffical census taken by a cultural group in Yerevan, revealed the figure to be close to 75%." So there you have it, I guess I learned a lession in this, always double check!--Moosh88 23:59, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the source, Moosh88, and self-correction (now you know why I'm sort of a hard ass on references :p). That's what I thought, not only because 50,000 Russians left never to come back, but other key economic and demographic factors. El_C 05:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. You may find of interest Levon H. Abrahamian (Yerevan State University; University of California, Berkeley) "Mother Tongue: Linguistic Nationalism and the Cult of Translation in Postcommunist Armenia," Institute of Slavic, East European, and Eurasian Studies, 1998. (PDF: [5]). El_C 05:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes now I do understand why your such a hardass lol. Thanks for telling me about this book, I will look into, it may help with my studies.

P.S. If there are any history or political issues which you may need assistance with please contact me on my talk page.--Moosh88 06:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks. Seems like an interesting article, though I haven't read it closely, hope it helps. Goodluck to you with your studies. :) El_C 06:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Allman Brothers Band

Hey El C, its me again, I saw at zod's page that you like the Allman Brothers :O I love em, I just created The Best of the Allman Brothers: The Epic Years like a week ago. I didn't know they were still touring though... Redwolf24 04:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice! Looking good. What a great Blue Sky that is, I love it. Have you seen them live before? (I have a few times; always with Warren). Oh, and Warren is back, I mentioned that elsehwere here. What exactly happned there? Where is Dicky? Do you know what happned there? It sounded bad. I saw Gov't Mule once, too. Which was amazing. I'd like to see (and havne't) the Derek Trucks Band, I saw him sitting in with Allmans when he was 13 yrs old, I knew then that he had the gift. Both the ABB and GM are touring. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User_talk:63.243.163.194

Thanks for the message El_C and for putting the warning on the usertalk page. I don't really see how I can help but if it occurrs to me I will. Inconveniently for dealing with this sort of problem, pretty much every internet connection in Syria is on a dynamic IP address as far as I know.

But in relation to the controversy at issue, is there actually a policy against adding links to non-English language sites to articles? In certain cases these links may be useful and relevant for many users, provided they're labelled as such. I don't want to express an opinion on the links that were at question here, but I can postulate that there may be cases where a large number of the people visiting a given page might be able to read such links and find them useful and informative. Palmiro 09:51, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is no policy, the language bit is my personal preference (and I think it makes sense, it being two clicks away via العربية). The area of policy has to do with whether the link is pertinent/notable ("his" online community). Compare, then, souria.com's forum — a main forum with ~100,000 posts— and syriapath.com's forum — a main forum with 4 posts (!). I was treating it as borderline Simple vandalism; saying, 'imagine how many online communities of that size can we expect for every country article...' (note that the fact souria.com has English content on their forum is a measure of their notability, considering the role of English language geopolitically), i.e. Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links. But I see now that I could have been more clear on that, it just seemed so obvious. Thus, I'm not claiming any other policy with Spanish-language only newspapers for the Dominican Republic, for example, except my intepertation of npov policy (in that I think they should be on República Dominicana). I just think that, rationally, if someone speak that language, they'll wish to examine the article/external links in its most relavent language. So, for example, I wanted to add República Dominicana Secretaria de Estado de Relaciones Exteriores as an official government link, but their English Ministry of External Relations section is dead, so I didn't. Sorry for the length of this. File:Meh.gif. El_C 05:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kim 3RR

Strictly speaking this is not a 3RR - the first removal of the topic from VFU was not a revert, even if the other three were. This was a good-faith attempt to keep the discussion from escalating. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Radiant_>|< 11:38, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, strictly speaking, it was a revert (to the version before it existed); I express a disinterest in and unfamiliarity with the intent (at the point of issuing the block, that is – afterwards, I'm all ears). The report seemed valid, I may be wrong, though. El_C 11:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heya

El, I definitely don't see you as a scapegoat! It's just... the issue was well and truly over, I secured a promise from Kate not to keep reverting and as he was going to help me copyedit I thought I'd unblock. After all, the purpose of the 3RR is not to punish, but to halt edit wars. I totally agree with your block - you obviously did the right thing! I just removed it temporarily once I realised the edit war ended.

I figure you should know, as the blocking admin. No hard feelings? And in Kim's defence, he is a good editor who was also trying to deal with a particularly tricky issue (though not how I would have handled it, admittedly). - Ta bu shi da yu 22:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, TBSDY. That's all I was trying to say: I wanted to prevent a heated situation from being needlessly compounded, through a time out, cool down period, which is how I view the 3RR policy. Please also review my comment to Radiant here. Best, El_C 22:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The point wasn't about following policy (blindly), but about a preventing further conflict. I saw a troubled situation. I saw TBSDY getting blocked by Michael Snow (by request), then unblokced by Sanowpsinner who protected VfU; I saw a 3RR violation by yourself, with the prsopect of admin immunity cries in the horizon. I undertook a decision quickly (but not in great haste) to cool down the situation. I did look for you on IRC before issuing the block to get your take of what I should do. I have no deep regrets, but I am open to arguments to the contrary, if those exist. El_C 00:01, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I will add, though, that I fond the whole IRC exchange right now to have been unpleasent and uncessarily hostile. With innuendo about "blocking Angela" or Bishonen's alleged "put downs," as if they are at all pertinent to this from my standpoint, except as veil of authority and lack thereof. For the record, I have not spoken a single word of this to either Bishonen or Angela (whom I never spoken to). None of that is of any consequence with respect to my position, and it is unofrtunate I was greeted in that way. El_C 00:10, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Argh! This whole GNAA business has gotten way out of control. I mean, we did this to ourselves, and the GNAA has not done a single thing other that exist :( I'm sorry that you got caught up in the midst of this farce, El. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (vandalism)

Thanks for clearing up the vandalism to my talk page. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 14:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure, any time. El_C 14:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

http://bendery.ru.ru/

I have a nice video report on my site about Transnistria. I do believe that many visitors would be interested in seeing it. Also there is a very tense discussion about Russian occupation in Moldavia. But unfortunately you removed my link from External links on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria . Any chance that you will review your decision? 172.201.160.95 10:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid your own webpage is not notable enough by Wikipedia standards, so it counts as self-promotion, which is not permitted. El_C 14:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok! There is an article about my native town, Bendery. It is only 10 lines long, with one external link! I give you an entire website with maps, photos, videos, with a forum, there is no banners no popups, no ads - a pure open source. Are you going to stick to you standards and remain with an unfinished article, or you will offer visitors some thing that they well expect from a wikipedia – an open sores info! 172.201.160.95 11:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Alex. While I applaud your efforts (especially on the open source front) and enocurage you to contribute content to Bendery (and anywhere else), Wikipedia has a policy against including non-notable, personal webpages, particularly when the webmaster him/herself inserts it as an external link. Sorry, it still counts as self-promotion, even when the intent is noble, which I do appreciate it is in this case. El_C 21:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (RFA)

The mop is mine!

Thanks for voting in my RfA; I promise I'll wield my sacred mop with care. If you ever need me for anything, you know where to find me. Thanks again! -- Essjay · Talk 15:22, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

I sure do! Nice, well done! :) El_C 21:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for supporting me

Hello, just a quick note to express my gratitude for your support of my RfA. I'm sure I'll become a familiar face on places like the Administrator's Noticeboard and Requests for Adminship, as well as the murkier parts of my new job. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12:48, NIV) Never was a truer word spoken. I feel empowered, yes, but not in the "oooh cool delete button!" way I was kind of expecting. Already I feel the weight of the responsibility I have now been entrusted with, a weight that will no doubt reduce given time. Thank you for believing in me. :) GarrettTalk 10:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, my pleasure. El_C 21:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms of communism

Hi. There is an ongoing... situation surrounding User:Ultramarine. He has been boldly inserting unveiled POV into a number of articles, such as democracy and democratic peace theory, but, most importantly, criticisms of communism. Please have a look at his version of the article: [6] and compare it with my current rewrite [7]. For the moment, he is banned for violating the 3RR, but he will come back online in a few hours. I am certain he will raise a massive dispute over criticisms of communism, and that is why I am asking you in advance to please watch that article. Thanks. -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 20:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Mihnea, nice to see you, it has been a while; I hope you are doing well. Unfortunately, I cannot commit myself to this, for reasons which I may elaborate on later (though I do trust you suspect what these are). Goodluck. All the best, El_C 21:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nice to see you too. :) And yes, I think I know what you mean, particularly considering recent developments: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ultramarine -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 00:16, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. :) Actually, I haven't read that, but I suspect it broadly falls under such a frame of reference. El_C 00:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind, I misunderstood what you were trying to say (and I think we should be less cryptic, so email me ;) ). -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 00:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't intend to come across that way, though indeed; I just have written about this at great length in the past. ;) El_C 00:45, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

From Outerlimits

Ok, I'm happy to discuss your deletions with you on a page you feel more comfortable on . See you there. - Outerlimits 23:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. El_C 23:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (ANIing)

Sorry — I meant to say thnaks for your response to me on the noticeboard. I've been having a tough time on these pop-music articles, and Everyking's nasty little stabs and digs really don't help. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I somewhat remember, vaguely. No problem, it's my pleasure. So, how are them Spice Girls doing these days (however many of em!) ? :P El_C 11:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not a matter of public record?

"Well, at the event, my sexual preferences and virtually any other personal details (cat exempt) are not a matter of public record." Ha, don't even, after you've accepted my marriage proposal(s) all over the wiki! Bishonen | talk 12:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Argh. I meant, I didn't tell that to what's-his-pathology. Damn, I messed up. Forgive-a-ness, please! :( El_C 12:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
that would only give a clue as to your preferences to people versed in Japanese, I suppose? anyway, I sympathize with you, you did the most obvious block, and I don't see why it should have been drawn out on AN like this :( dab (ᛏ) 22:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your support, I appreciate it. Yes, apperently I was suppose to enter into dispute resolution with the troll who evaded his block to post on AN. As for the claims of the troll not being patently offensive, that's just disturbing, not to mention offensive. El_C 22:31, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So noted

You're probably right. --Golbez 00:50, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

I have blocked the vandal

Hey El C, I have blocked for 24 hours User:203.118.129.17 who has been making a nuisance of himself with vandalism. Moriori 00:11, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

I see. Normally, I like to see if the warning takes effect before I issue a block. I have no objections, however. Thanks for letting me know. El_C 00:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to leave a warning on his empty talk, but it wouldn't save. I don't know why but it might be related to the problem I had yesterday when the Wiki system says I made four reverts of an article in the space of two minutes. I didn't, well certainly not knowingly. I am using Safari browser for the first time, with Tiger, so I will see what develops. If I have more probs I will ask around on the comp newsgroup.Moriori 00:27, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
Right, yesterday was laggy, I had the same thing happen to me minus one, check out Kosovo War. #openfacts says reasonable, but still that some edit may fail. Also, it's always good to clear your cache. I'm sure it'll work itself out, somehow. :) El_C 00:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust

!Oye! C|EL_C - Yes it is -thanks . Famekeeper 12:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, Famekeeper, it's my pleasure. El_C 13:08, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Semitism

Would it be appropriate to revert and lock the article so people can resolve this via discussion as opposed to an edit war? Buffyg 13:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No toys? I'll soon remedy that

A little present from me

I don't think Rossami was trying to wind you up. I think he is one of those people who can't handle conflict very well. He did what he thought was best. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Lego persons always have such mischievous smiles, I love it! :) But I can't smile, my jaw hurtses me. :( El_C 19:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is that a Soviet spy under my bed or just my slippers?

Hola, if you have a moment, could you help out with our article on Harry Magdoff, a promient Marxist economist? 172 rewrote it last week, removing a lot of dubious allegations that he was a Soviet spy contributed by that notable expert on Cold War espionage, Nobs01 (talk · contribs). Alas, 172's fine work has been largely undone by TJive (talk · contribs), in whose hands the article is once again basically a MacCarthyite smear. 172 is busy with other things at the moment. Care to lend a hand? Viajero | Talk 13:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You might also want to take a look at this VfD. 172 | Talk 19:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly over

File:Toyshop.jpg

Hey, I'm thinking of you. You'll be home soon. SlimVirgin (talk) 14:28, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking of you, too, I realised it was today when I saw Slim above. Feel better, have a toyshop!Bishonen | talk 16:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw this thread. I hope everything's alright. You're in my thoughts too. 172 | Talk 19:06, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, all! Wow, it reall hurrts, but I lived to whine about it. More details soon. El_C 00:34, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
New details: it is really, really hurting me. But I'll be alright. Six weeks to heal completely; I wish it was over already. Yet more whining soon. Thanks again, everyone, for all the well-wishing and your pitty. :) Ouch. El_C 19:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ow! Some icecream is what you need, I think! (Don't eat the cracker.) Bishonen | talk 21:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No! No! I said don't eat the cracker! Aaargh! Bishonen | talk 21:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm eating a lot of iced cream; I tried eating a tangerine, but it really hurtsted me, so I squeezed it into juice, whic was really good actually! El_C 21:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I lift the shroud and make the masses proud
Crush our enemies,
Are you gonna ride with me?
Or sit in your materialistic moyogi

Race to our grave
how much more could I have gave
to the insatiable assassins that are forever laughing
like an atom cracking,
will we ever be saved?
With landmines not gold my future is paved,
love in my heart but not racist-ly raised
You want back but you never gave,
you think you're prince but you're really nave – sissy,
I bet you think you're brave
playing broke, stack your loot
the cream you save,
body boarding on light's way
The rich taunt me
specter of bill collectors haunt me
The fates of the greats leaves me undaunted
socialist dazzle mother****er and I flaunt it
Class equality and abolish poverty – I want it 

Preach knowledge with no answer, 
you speak in tongues
climb life's ladder and it has no wrongs 
My old-school compadres are spun

The rich steal my labour and my health
to bag their wealth
They got us ass backwards 
fight for the self
and not the masses,
they got us right in Congress
Anything but abolish the classes
Anything but rocking the vote of our masters
Mother****ers telling me that my vote is the answer
You simple fools
I duel your revisionism tools
You leer,
indegenous people fuc**n with cheap beer
sniffing glue,
redestroyed their world – what would you do?

My African comrades
Killed by disease and nationalism
our motherland raped and beaten by this giant mob
capitalism
Spewing fumes of death-smoke, we choke 
on consumer goods
like gunpowder-fed pits,
we kill each other in our own hoods
More and more are forced to settle in the ghetto
we whore and horde to pay the rent and fill the kettle
The rich test our mettle 
I'm an avalanche started by a pebble
I throw a rock at the devil
I rebel
In politics I meddle 
past lives several 

Esoterics,
yes, I dabble 
control the rabble 
false prophets praddle 
the lumpen cut down like cattle
In the street we battle
the bourgeois we rattle
Lift the curse
check em down from their perch  
For the truth we search at birth,
living together in harmony
I never understand why you just can't see
We'll kill you just like we did the Nazi

Let's clean the names 
of the heroes the rich besmirched
Spiritualism is valid
just make it an equal portion of the salad

Life is callous 
mass confusion
cats living in delusion
stalled evolution
each breath I taste pollution
no respect for women, 
just a cushion for the pushin'  
Lions laid and wait
and ambushes from the bushes
Watch how hard this player pushes through
in and out a pussy like a douche
he rush your tw*t like swat
he makes more than your pussy pop
leave you broken 
All to say is bambaclat

I mark 
rats, rapists, police agents and snitches
Subject deep lyrics vicious
pockets broke
mental riches
rathead bitches
capitalistic wishes
personal issues
You've never heard words like these
they're free so don’t say please
you're the host of degree disease 
Stay clam
smoke balm 
you better sound the alarm
Revolution's cold so dress warm
like millions of locus we swarm
the children of corn
destroy child porn
Heed to seed our plant
feel the impression of my stamp

--Comrade Zearle.
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