Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/Archive 2

Should this article even exist? It's pure rumor. All the article text contains is a list of things we don't know about the game. I think we should just delete the page for now, and recreate it after E3, when we'll know the name of the game and more details about the game play/setting. Just look at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/PictoChat. There were a lot of people jonesing to delete that page before the DS was released, and Pictochat was a demo-ed product!! --Carl 10:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm of two minds about this. While according to the "technical" rules it's unreleased and thus should go, and about 90% of this content will be deleted, it's certainly a "big name" thing. If you remove it, people will suddenly clamour for its re-addition. As the most anticipated Zelda ever it's probably going to recieve a large number of hits, so maybe it should stay.

also E3 comes in the 3rd week of May, so that's about a month away. I can't see deleting this (mostly) rumour stuff just for one month. You may have also noticed that I added it to the games template, but this is because it was previously almost an orphan (only one or two links to it).

On another note, there's a bit of "Zelda 2005" content in the LOZ Series page, so if this page is to remain that should all be moved here with only the briefest of blurbs. Master Thief Garrett 11:29, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've moved the Series info for now. Master Thief Garrett 03:24, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Official Title confirmed!

http://home.comcast.net/~lazie4351/NintendoE3.jpg Moved the page to reflect the new title.Jonny2x4 01:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Addendum: this *particular* magazine scan is apparently fake (from what I've read on GameFAQs) but the name itself is real. Master Thief Garrett 09:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

It seems "Twilight Princess" is the name of a manga inspired by the movie Ladyhawke (Plot summary on IMDB), which is about a knight and his lady, who are cursed to turn into animals by day or night: the knight turns into a wolf in the night and the lady turns into a hawk in the day. Sound familiar? Link turns into a wolf in this game, and there is a hawk featured in the e3 2005 trailer. (I read this information in a magazine and found it interesting, to say the least.)

the new boss: Manhandla, Deku Baba, or a mix of the two?

.. "Cross between a Mandhandla and a Deku Baba"?? Manhandla's heads are all the same as Deku Baba heads, so it's surely just Manhandla (whose real name escapes me at present, Manhandla being the English name) (216.49.220.19 did not sign off)

Well the problem is it's got elements of both.

1. Manhandla in the sense of being multiple heads together BUT no visible "legs" section!
2. Deku Baba noise, "necks", and face appearance BUT don't seem to move individually!

If you look at this screencap you can see they're not attached to the ground OR to each other, and yet this and other footage shows them working seemingly in unison. Of course it could just be their homing-in skills made them *seem* to be joined due to the way Link moved, and that in reality they'd move on their own. Weird. On second thought, I think they look like individual uprooted Deku Babas and it's just their movement making them seem conjoined... there's certainly no visible bond. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 15:36, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Hmm

Well, I gotta say, I don't see how this is appropriate for the article. Do you have a source showing that people expected TP to be cartoony? Or that the SW2K video influenced TP? -- A Link to the Past 02:40, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

I added the part about the Spaceworld demo, but I understand why it would be considered irrelevant. Perhaps the Spaceworld demo could be less emphasized once more information comes in about the production of the game. Either that, or give the Spaceworld demo its own article. What do you think? I originally put it in there because the demo, in a certain way, hinted the Twilight Princess. User:Reyontoyeny

The demo was never actually going to be a game. It was created to show the power of the GameCube. -- A Link to the Past 05:41, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

At least in my experience, people who lived through the Spaceworld demo and "Cel-da" outcry will tend to examine the graphical aspect of Twilight Princess and ask, was it done in response to the initial backlash against cartoonish graphics? (Probably not) Was it based on the Spaceworld demo? (Probably not) How is it related to Wind Waker? (Adaptation of same cel-shading engine.) I think if we can answer that sort of question we get a lot of common fan misconceptions out of the way, although I'm not sure how this section could be adapted to do that correctly; as Past says, it has some questionable implications currently. Deco 08:10, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd say this sort of debate could go on the Series page. SpaceWorld isn't really that related to this game. It could maybe have a little mention here with a link, but I think we might as well keep unrelated stuff here to a minimum ready for the impending influx of real info. Garrett^Talk 09:58, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I decided to take it out of the article. If anyone can shed some light about any possible connection: Feel free to cut/paste/edit this part back:

Project History

File:Spaceworld2000zelda.jpg

A demo for a realistic Zelda game from Nintendo's 2000 Spaceworld convention.

Speculation of a realistic Zelda game on the Nintendo GameCube goes back as early as Summer 2000. During Nintendo's 2000 Spaceworld convention, Nintendo unveiled the GameCube along with some demos for Luigi's Mansion, an unnamed Metroid game, Super Mario 128, an unnamed Pokémon game, and a Zelda demo where characters Link and Ganondorf fight. While Nintendo mentioned that the demos did not necesarily represent upcoming Nintendo projects accurately, the Zelda demo left a permanent impression on many fans.

When Nintendo unveiled a trailer for what would become The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker during the 2001 Electronic Entertainment Expo, many fans were surprised by the change in direction the Zelda series was taking on consoles. After the game was released in 2003, most of the criticsm of the new style dissappeared, as both reviews and word-of-mouth ratings for the game were generally positive. Many thought this acceptance signalled that the next Zelda console game, (not counting Four Swords Adventures) would continue in that style.

During E³ 2004, this misconception ended in a surprise announcement near the end of a Nintendo press conference. While the Twilight Princess was not a product of the 2000 Spaceworld demo, its influence on the game was apparent.

Enemies

Are we sure those are Lizalfos??? They look more like Dinofols to me. Based on the crests and ridges and the general shape of their heads/bodies/feet, I'm going to change it, unless someone has a direct quote from Nintendo calling them Lizalfos. I mean, some of the ones in the dungeons are wearing triceratops-like skulls, for goodness' sake! WikidSmaht 08:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What the heck are Mokomoblins and Bokoboblins? Again, unless there's a quote, I'm changing them to the established Zelda creatures, Moblins and Bokoblins. WikidSmaht 08:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Also fixing some other small things, like unverified facts and particularly some bad English, like Stalfos being "donned with" a sword and shield. WikidSmaht 08:32, 1 August 2005 (UTC)