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Kelly, do you have access to a local bookstore or library? If I recommended a book, would you be willing to take a look at it? If you can tell me your zip code, I can tell you the closest library that has it. --El on ka 01:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My daughter owes many fees at the local library so that isn't an option but I work near a Barnes and Noble and I have an Amazon Prime account. KellyAna (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever heard the expression, "This book changed my life"? Well, there's a book that changed mine. I think you might find it illuminating. I've recommended it occasionally to other people, and they have usually come back to me the next day with reactions like, "OMG, I got that book and read it straight through in one night. Wow." It's an easy read. Written by a woman, for women, but I have occasionally recommended it to men as well, and have gotten similar reactions about how the book really gave them insight into other people's thought processes. What makes people do what they do.

It's pretty widely published, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding a copy. Doesn't matter which edition you get, new or used. But I think you'd get a lot out of it, as I did: The Dance of Anger, by Harriet Lerner.[1] You can probably buy a copy for download, though personally, I prefer holding a book in my hands. There's something about the feel of turning pages that I find comforting, even if a computer screen might be brighter and easier to see. Call me old-fashioned. ;) But whichever format works for you, go for it. --El on ka 01:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sam Wilder

You did a great job on the cleanup, I must say I'm impressed. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It needs more work but it's getting there. KellyAna (talk) 23:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Formatting edits

I wasn't aware that my edit summary was either snotty or rude. I simply like bringing a little levity to what is otherwise a very droll thing. I'm sorry that you interpreted it as such, but no, it was not intended that way. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you explaining your thoughts. My apologies if I took them in a way they were not intended. As I'm sure you are most aware, it's often times hard to communicate humour over the internet and mistakes sometimes occur. I know we can move past this little misunderstanding. Thank you for taking the time to reply. KellyAna (talk) 02:25, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

By the way, I just wanted to apologize for the grief I gave you earlier on the Trace Adkins article. It was really stupid of me to do a little bit of original research and split hairs about what kind of guitar he plays. I would have apologized sooner, but my sister was hogging the computer and I couldn't get on to Wikipedia. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate you saying that. I also wanted you to know that I appreciate your removal of the "merge" on the Rascal Flatts boys. I really think their articles can stand alone. They all have a little notability to themselves. Hopefully, despite the rocky start, we can work together on some country articles. KellyAna (talk) 22:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know that you're willing to forgive. Maybe you could help with Rascal Flatts and the pages on their members -- I'm surprised that, as popular as they are, their page goes virtually untouched for so long. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can look into doing that. I would love to find the transcript of the Oprah show where Gary told the story of getting Jamie Fox on the new album. I think that's a good thing to add and helps "boost" the notability of he as the lead. And I definitely want to "pretty it up." The more I look at all four pages the more I see what can be done and should. Question for you, do you consider album jackets "reliable sources" because it's the one band we have all the CD's for. I know for shows we use DVD features but I've never done expansion on a group like this. KellyAna (talk) 22:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stop warning me.

Your warnings are ridiculous. Todd Bridges doesn't need a filmography longer than Brad Pitt's. Also, This isn't satire. The vocalist for this band is named Gary LeVox, which literally means “Gary the Voice.” This is a truth, it is a Latin name. This is not comedic and false, as you so eloquently put. You cannot have me blocked for these edits, so spare me the templates. The Equilibrium (talk) 04:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KellyAna, Equilibrium has a point, though he (she?) could express it better. I don't much care about the Latin, but it was not appropriate for you to have given him a warning. Good faith edits are not vandalism, and this edit summary was also inappropriate, and you might want to consider apologizing.[2] If you disagree with the inclusion of the Latin information at Gary LeVox (and I don't have a strong preference on this either way), the proper way to handle it, is to work it out in a civil manner on the talkpage. Talk it out, see if you can find a compromise that everyone can live with. If you're deadlocked, and anyone feels it's that important, file an article RfC or do something to get more opinions into the mix. Also, please read WP:BITE? Consider that to Equilibrium, you are a more "senior" Wikipedian. If you see a more junior Wikipedian doing something that you feel is wrong, please consider that it would be more effective to teach them, than threaten them. --El on ka 19:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to weigh in but it seems to be rather pointless. An admin is determined to scold anyone with an opinion contrary to Equilibrium's. I was scolded for biting while just offering an opinion. If you are so inclined, Elonka, maybe you could offer an opinion just to get a more diverse group. I feel like "Why did I come back to Wikipedia?" after the exchanges this morning. Kelly - Elonka is right. You need to stop. Now, I'm going back to my California articles. Biography just isn't my cup of tea. IrishLass (talk) 19:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LaraLove may be an admin, but to my knowledge she is participating on that page as a normal editor. Sometimes we can take off the admin hat, and be just as rowdy as everyone else. :) Which means that on that page she has no special privileges, and is not allowed to use her admin tools to advance her own position. However, that she is an admin does speak to the fact that she has considerable experience with Wikipedia guidelines, so she may be worth listening to. But if you think she's wrong, just (in a civil way) tell her -- she's probably pretty open to a frank discussion. If you are able to make your case in a civil way, backing it up with an understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines, she'll probably listen with an open mind, and maybe even change her position. In other words, it's best to assume good faith, that a compromise is possible, and that it's just necessary to figure out what it is. :) --El on ka 21:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely disappointing. I use The_Equilibrium as solely a legit article space editor. But it was an lesson learned. Kelly bites. Irish felt the brunt. Elonka feels I could express it better (wrong). I don't take it personally. I simply feel bad for newcomers. Trying to keep my edits separate from other duties was an exercise in futility. I feel sorry for newcomers. No one was privy to my alt account, nor did they need to be. In this case, everyone here should take a step back an re-evaluate their tactics. the_undertow ^talk 07:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jebco

Kelly, can you please show me the talkpage discussion, that shows that Jebco's edits are incorrect? If there is deliberate vandalism, there are ways to address this, but if it's just a difference in opinion, a different tack may be needed. Thanks, --El on ka 01:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not deliberate vandalism, it's that he isn't changing the ep counts correctly and I've offered to show him he needs to not only change the number and the date, he has to change the reference or it says "10,321 eps as of March 25, 2008. Reference tv.com accessed on February 28th." (dates and numbers made up) So he needs to change the number, the date, AND the retrieved on date in the reference. I'll change it correctly and maybe you can see what I mean. KellyAna (talk) 02:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it's updated and you can see that by the reference [3], which is only updated through Friday, the ep count is right. I got blasted for changing ep numbers in the past and was told I had to go by a reference, I'm passing that on. All that's "asked" is he update the number, the date, and the reference date but if the reference isn't updated to wait. I mean, what if the show doesn't air or whatever, without going by the valid reference the entry is wrong (as I have been told way too many times). KellyAna (talk) 02:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show where people have attempted to work things out with him normally? Warnings that have been ignored? Because so far his edits appear to be in good faith. Possibly wrong, but not a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia. As such, a vandalism warning isn't appropriate. Better would be to start a thread at the talkpage, explain your reasoning for why the episode numbers should be as they are, and see what other editors say. If you can get multiple editors who agree with your perception, but Jebco continues to edit against consensus, then further action can be taken. But it may just be a case of confusion on Jebco's part. Again, it's best to go by WP:BITE. S/he might even be completely oblivious to talkpage messages, it's hard to tell. --El on ka 02:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's also an IP. I've tried but it seems to not do any good. I'm past biting because this tis beyond annoying. How do you ignore the big orange banner that says NEW MESSAGE? He's blanked his page, so he knows it exists. Attempts to explain have just fallen of deaf ears. He makes one edit, every day, incorrectly. I've tried to explain it and it doesn't work. I don't care if he does it, just as long as it's done right. KellyAna (talk) 02:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I just realized, I haven't given him a vandal warning, just a written out warning and I actually offered to help him learn how to do it. KellyAna (talk) 02:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crane archives

Take the talkpage that's on the redirect (Crane?) and move it to be a subpage of the active talkpage: /Archive 1. Then post a note on the "real" talkpage saying what you did. --El on ka 02:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC) on the central talkpage.[reply]

Nothing's redirected. They both exist. The issue is Dougie moving the page based on personal opinion and the fact that there are now two talk pages. KellyAna (talk) 02:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, but to help untangle, I recommend archiving one of them, and then post a note saying what you did. --El on ka 02:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration request

Please be aware that I have filed a request with the arbitration committee regarding the titling of Theresa Lopez-Fitzgerald Crane. -- Dougie WII (talk) 02:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I have all the evidence and you have none. Your request to move was ignored, common name policy is on my side, NBC is on my side and even your screen caps contradict your argument. What a waste of the committee's time but go for it so I can present the evidence from the official site. KellyAna (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I sincerely doubt that ArbCom will accept the case, so I wouldn't spend too much time on evidence. They are almost certainly going to say that other steps in Dispute resolution should be tried first, such as an article RfC, and mediation. Of course, I can't speak for the arbs, but that's just my $0.02. --El on ka 03:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but I will state my case and see what happens. The issue is where the article is titles, not the contents. TAnthony, Spanish lullaby, and I all say "leave it without Crane" in the title of the article but allow it in the body. Dougie is the only descending vote. KellyAna (talk) 03:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Comments for KellyAna

Hi KellyAna. I was told my name was mentioned in the Days edit page, so I looked over the comments. You have a right to your opinion, of course, however, after running my site for the past ten years, it's a little unfair to call my site "unreliable." True, perhaps my site has had maybe three or four errors over the past ten years, but no one is perfect. I don't "guess" based on where someone's name is in the credits. I've kept track of the "Days" credits since 1985. They are listed in seniority order, based on when the contract is signed. Some of my errors recently have been NBC's fault, because they did list Franc Ross (Duck) in the wrong spot for several weeks in a row, so yes you could say I was wrong on that account, but it was more NBC's error than mine. Joy Bisco (Gabby) was on contract throughout her time on the show. As you erroneously stated to another Wikipedia user: "His information is faulty and Kristen has not been on in 2008 on a contract basis. She's not even in the credits on days she does not appear." That is not correct. Kristen Renton has been listed in the credits every day, regardless of when she appears, since December 3. There have been many weeks in December, January, February and March when she did not appear at all, yet her name was in the credits, which means she's on contract. Tamara Braun (Ava) and Shawn Christian (Daniel) are also on contract. Perhaps when Arianne Zuker (Nicole) is listed in the credits next week, and Kristen's, Tamara's and Shawn's names still come before her, that will be more supportive than my above statements. I'll admit it is still a guess about Kevin Dobson (Mickey), but we'll see if he's listed before non-contract vets John Aniston (Victor) and Leann Hunley (Anna) in the weeks to come, meaning he is also on contract. Anyone who is listed before Aniston and Hunley (and before Bill & Susan Hayes when they guest), is on contract. These are the latest additions to the contract cast:

Nadia Bjorlin - Chloe Lane Black Kristen Renton - Morgan Hollingsworth Tamara Braun - Ava Vitale Shawn Christian - Dr. Daniel Jonas Kevin Dobson - Mickey Horton (just a guess for now, will need to confirm next week when the credits run on 4/1 or 4/3) Arianne Zuker - Nicole Walker

Again, just wanted to correct a few mis-statements about my site. If you are going to say I am unreliable, don't also say incorrect things such as "Kristen is never in the credits in the weeks she doesn't appear." I do pride myself on never reporting on gossip, and only reporting the facts of the show. I, like you I assume, dislike when incorrect information is posted online. The show publicist is the one who told me the latest updates on the newest actors to be playing the babies and Theo. Jason Jason47a (talk) 02:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason47a (talk • contribs) 02:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trace Adkins again

Regarding this diff, I don't think that it's acceptable to place external links within the text of the article -- I have never seen this in, say, GA-class articles, so I believe that it's discouraged. If you want to move that link to the "External links" section, that would probably be preferable. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay, I'll leave it -- I wasn't sure, which is why I undid your edit. (Also, I forgot you don't like Twinkle.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 02:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]