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January 13

  • (from cleanup) Anigraphical music - idiosyncratic? For an internet term it gets no google hits - best guess-invented term. google shows anigraphic as abbr. for animated graphic, no more. - delete immediately?
    • Delete. --Jiang 01:29, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Confusing, no context, stub...yep, delete. PMC 04:34, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. SpellBott 06:54, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Smells like another aleatoric art technique known only on Wikipedia. Bmills 14:51, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Leave for a while, edit. Look at it. I liked the idea. Seem like the guy invented the word and possibly the concept. Mikkalai 01:03, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. The guy did invent the word and possibly the concept it would seem, but I can't find any evidence that he's managed to convince anyone else to use, discuss, or acknowledge it. --Delirium 06:10, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • mv to "list of fringe artistic concepts"; otherwise delete. JDR
  • Nursing skills - poorly written, full of errors, doesn't seem encyclopedic. Alex.tan 17:17, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep - Poorly written? Rewrite. Full of errors? Correct them. Very encyclopedic imo. These are entries of importance to nursing students and others. - Texture 20:00, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • move content to Wikibooks -- text is a howto, not an article _about_ "nursing skills", therefore it is not encyclopedic. -- mkrohn 20:07, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Encyclopedic. I understand the desire to maintain a reasonable standard for good English writing and usage, but we're throwing out too many content babies with the English-usage bathwater. I don't know how accurate the information is or how uniform state certification requirements are. Until someone qualified to pass judgement comments, I think we should keep it. The writing can be fixed. Although I admit to being totally exhausted after trying to revise the first three paragraphs. Dpbsmith 02:32, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • I am a doctor. There's just too many errors. If someone wants to fix it, among the things that need to be done are internationalizing (not every state/country has the same requirements), clean up the errors, fill in the missing pieces, add some organization that makes sense... it's just a huge job. Sometimes v2 should be done by getting rid of v1. I don't think anybody can or will fix this adequately anytime soon, so it's going to stay here as an example of bad english and poor information until someone rewrites it. Alex.tan 11:41, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, but title needs to be changed to something about Nursing Assistants (cuz this is way below what Nurses do), and add history of Nursing assistants, changing roles, advanced nursing assistants (LPN, med LPN), income range, training (this current art. fits on the training part). I think this is sort of an article in incubation. For those with a passion, try to recruit someone in a Nursing assistant program to contribute. Stephen Holland, M.D. Kd4ttc 04:23, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. But needs fixing. I know some nurses I can ask. SpellBott 07:47, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. This is a how-to article. It should only be kept if it can be made into enyclopedic style. moink 21:53, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • No vote. On Kd4ttc's advice, I moved the page to Nurse assistant skills, after consulting with writer. Craigbutz 23:49, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Fix it. If it's currently inaccurate, use a wikipedia:accuracy dispute until you get round to fixing it. If it's currently a how-to, rewrite it so that it isn't. Martin 02:22, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Erect position - dictionary def. Imran 00:02, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • No vote. Comment: Moved to Upright position. Reason: 138 Google hits for "+"upright position" +multiplexer" but only 25 for "+"erect position" +multiplexer". .·..·..·. Optim 14:28, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC) .·..·..·.
    • Keep. Stubify; list in electronic topics. JDR

January 14

  • Winter-een-mas - orphan. 32 hits on google. -- Infrogmation 12:10, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • If this is worth mentioning at all, perhaps merge with Leet? -- Infrogmation
    • Delete and merge content with Leet. Bmills 12:35, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Agree with Bmills. Anjouli 15:18, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Seems to be from webcomic Ctrl-Alt-Del: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/ RadicalBender 15:01, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • This is, in fact, from Ctrl+Alt+Del, and as such is only important to fans of the comic and posibly friends of theirs in on the joke. While the comic is quite popular, there really aren't enough people who actually celebrate Winter-Een-Mas to justify an article about it. Do not merge into Leet, because it's more of a Ctrl+Alt+Del concept than a "leet" one. Besides, there's already a note about it in the Ctrl+Alt+Del article proper, where it belongs until it actually becomes a wide-spread holiday. PMC 00:39, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Rewritten and expanded into a more proper, if rather obscure, entry. Kizor 18:43, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. SpellBott 08:10, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Three million six hundred twenty-eight thousand eight hundred - and the point was? - David Gerard 21:59, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. More interesting than The Best Page in the Universe. --Wik 22:17, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete! Useless page. silsor 22:40, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, and we should probably think more about what to do about "number" pages in general. Fuzheado 23:36, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. We can have articles with all the numbers in them (List of numbers, List of factors, List of prime numbers...). We dont need articles for individual numbers. .·. Optim 23:51, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC) .·.
    • Delete. This article is inaccurate and incomplete anyway, there are many properties of the number not investigated, and even the list of factors is incomplete. The number is AFAIK too obscure for the article to be worth fixing at this stage. But in principle, articles on significant numbers are OK IMO. Andrewa 03:52, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • Oh, and delete the redirect from 3628800 as well, as otherwise we will have a needless problem in three and a bit million years. Andrewa 12:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Move the discussion to Talk:List of numbers/Deletion. Anthony DiPierro 05:33, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep the info. Delete the page. - Hephaestos 05:42, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep - how can you possibly know whether this is useful to someone else or not (besides, there may be more to add, you'll never know if you delete it). It's factual, and to the point, which is more than can be said about many articles. The hot wolf plots hellfire 06:24, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • Firstly, FoT, it's not very helpful (or very effective) to hide your ID in a signature, and secondly, the onus is on someone to show why this number is interesting, not on anyone to show why it's not. I'm interested if anyone can. The latest update is a start but not there yet. And as the original author(s) of this article couldn't even calculate the factors of a factorial accurately, and my grade 6 primary school class can, I doubt they know enough mathematics to write such articles, or to decide which numbers are worth writing about. Sadly. Still delete. Andrewa 12:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
        • I was not aware that, once listed for deletion, the onus was on someone to prove that it was interesting, otherwise the presumtion is in favour of deletion. To be honest, I thought that the onus was on the people wanting to delete to demonstrate why it fit the criteria for deletion. Re the username, it clearly was not hidden, links to my page, and was not a second vote. Many other users do this occasionally. The Fellowship of the Troll 13:37, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Given that there are infinite amounts of numbers to which interesting statistics can be attached, I think it's a bad precedent to give each of these its own page. Realistically, who is going to search for this article? It would be much better to simply add this as a one-liner to a list of factorials on the factorial article instead.Robartin 18:00, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. SpellBott 08:10, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: can never be found. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Put all numbers into a single page, kind of List of prominent numbers. The first ten ones and *really* prominent ones may have an individual page. Mikkalai 02:05, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • NOTE: There is already an article on List of numbers. See also Number for ways to handle numbers in general. The Number article also points to a very useful external reference "What's special about this number?"

Wikipedia should not attempt to duplicate that information.Peak 07:17, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

    • Delete, and do NOT keep the information. The most interesting thing in the article at present is the reference to Foucault, but Wikipedia is not a concordance. The Number page and its hyperlinks effectively establish Wiki-standards regarding numbers. In particular, Wikipedia should not attempt to duplicate the information in the external link: "What's special about this number?" Peak 07:17, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

January 15

  • ATV News Channel -- after reading both this and Asia Television Ltd, I believe that the only ATV channels that are out there are "Home" and "World", and that while there are news broadcasts on those two stations, there is no actual ATV News Channel. Rdash 03:37, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Looks like a promo for their news service. SpellBott 09:19, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Anjouli 16:56, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Dictatress -- The concept of Dictator does not require one to be of any particular gender. Also, there appears to be no female dictators to be found, and while there is mention of one solitary use of the word ever it merits a dictionary article at best. JackLynch 10:17, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • No such word. Delete. Anjouli 16:56, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I agree. Delete. Bmills 16:59, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Delete. Rdash 19:36, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Tempshill 22:47, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge content and redirect... (kind of delete) EmperorBMA / ブリイアン 04:57, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Even if it is a word. Would be more useful to have it together with dicatator. ike9898 14:19, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Ballot design acorned - nearly-incomprehensible original material. Salsa Shark 11:49, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Someone's essay. Delete. DJ Clayworth 15:58, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Seems to be an honest attempt at an article, but the contributor needs to learn that the first thing in the article must be an explanation ofwhat this is about. I cannot tell if it is a serrious effort or just BS - Marshman 17:52, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete unless author makes it vaguely comprehensible. It sounds like it might be a proposal for a new ballot design, in which case delete as original research, but I can't make enough sense of it to say for sure. --Delirium 01:00, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Not a vote. Note the new and related Acorn Standard Ballot article. Bmills 11:20, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • W. Thomas Smith, Jr. is on cleanup. I think it's worth keeping, but I wanted to make sure before I take the time to wikify. Meelar 19:27, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I vote for deleteion, he dumps his autobiography and is too lazy and lacking in respect to spend a few minutes formating it for wikipedia, delete the article (and hang the author :).
    • Keep. RickK (Angela suggests this vote is ignored as Rick is voting to keep everything for no reason)
    • Delete. Looks like self-promotion, and there's nothing to indicate that he's any more important than thousands upon thousands of other authors and journalists. Isomorphic 20:11, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Agree w/ Isomorphic, delete. --Jiang 00:32, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • mv memorialWiki. JDR
    • Not a vote: Moved entry to 15 Jan because Vfd warning wasn't added until that date. -- Oliver P. 12:04, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: personal promotion. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:46, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Del. --Wik 19:48, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Tempshill 22:47, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Gaylord Focker - stubby orphan; of any use? -- Infrogmation 13:48, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • delete -- not worth an article in an encyclopedia (there is IMDb for this kind of information) -- mkrohn 14:47, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • It's the name of "Meet the parents"'s protagonist. Really no point. Delete. Mrdice 18:00, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)
    • Agree, delete. Without a Meet The Parents article it's not worht including just one character in a seperate article. Flockmeal 20:17, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)
    • Redirect to Ben Stiller and move the information there. Anthony DiPierro 06:07, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, useless. Great movie though. Tragic that it has no page. PMC 00:59, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Character information should be included in the "Meet The Parents" article. Pointless. Delete. Rdash 19:36, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Not a vote: Moved entry to 15 Jan because Vfd warning wasn't added until that date. -- Oliver P. 12:04, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, assuming somebody writes the Meet the Parents article and links to it. Otherwise I don't really know what to do, but I've certainly seen other seemingly silly articles about fictional charactersJackLynch 05:45, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Ben Stiller is funny, he's just not encyclopedia material. Leave this kind of stuff for movie databases. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:47, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Should be mentioned on Meet the Parents. Tempshill 22:47, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • James_Joseph_Ferguson's sole reason for being in wp is that he died on Sep11. Should he be moved the the sep11wp or is he important enough to warrant his own article? In case of the latter, I think there should be a little bit more info apart from how he died. Mrdice 02:45, 2004 Jan 14 (UTC)
    • Move to sep11 wiki and delete. moink 21:53, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Not a vote: Moved entry to 15 Jan because Vfd warning wasn't added until that date. -- Oliver P. 12:04, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • Good for you Oliver! Move to sep11 and delete by the way. Anjouli 16:50, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to sep11 wiki and delete. Secretlondon 14:10, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • Julian Paul Gregson - vanity page of a web site author? andy 13:25, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: vanity page. Wile E. Heresiarch 16:46, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I have to agree - looks very much like it should be zapped Tompagenet 18:43, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Agreed. Ke4roh 04:04, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Faulty Conscience a page for a band that gets 0 google hits and has made no albums. According to the article, it's members are all in junior highschool. I can't even find any evidence that this band exists. Maximus Rex 18:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)~
    • Delete. The page notes that the band isn't even together anymore. Rdash 19:36, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. While there is not a lot of information about the band on the internet, the band was very popular among many groups in New York City. The discography has not yet been posted, as will actual photos of the band, which would prove their existance. Wikipedia also has a lot of pages on bands that have been disbanded (for example, The Beatles). The page does not in any way harm Wikipedia, or clutter it with useless information: a few of the boys mentioend are now in other bands and surprisingly, have record labels. Ex1le 00:48, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. They get no Google hits, if they were so popular, someone would have mentioned them *somewhere* online. And the Beatles, though disbanded, are an important disbanded band, unlike these guys. PMC 01:09, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Though the tone is surprisingly neutral for what's obviously a vanity creation, none of the information is verifiable -- unless someone can point out some source that would confirm the various minutiae, like this little gem: "Much time was spent between the boys at Brizel's country house, where Brizel urinated on Vaz's back." Even a source to confirm this band's existence would be nice. Delete. &mdash No One Jones (talk) 05:04, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: vanity page. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:54, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete unless references are produced to back up importance, or even prove existence. DJ Clayworth 14:56, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Vanity page. Tempshill 22:45, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Arkum. Non sense. Probably created in order to fill WP with garbage. seems fictious. "+Arkum +god" returns 79 Google hits. "Arkum" returns 992 Google hits. "Rotherham" returns 679 thousand Google hits. "Sheffield" returns 4 million Google hits. from Cleanup. ! Optim 20:23, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC) !
    • Drunken twaddle (try saying it in local dialect). Delete - unkamunka. 20:29, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep the name, it's a town in Wûnseradiel municipality in the NL, remove the twaddle and redirect until someone writes an article.The Fellowship of the Troll 20:44, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, it's not even clear that the article on the town should be at this title rather than Arkum, The Netherlands or whatever. Onebyone 21:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I deleted this as it falls under Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion. silsor 00:51, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
      • Its speedy deletion leaves me unable to tell whether it might be misspelling of Arkham (i.e., nonsense of an exquisite sort that is worthy of coverage), and in the darkr as to whether anyone considered its deletion in light of that possibility. --Jerzy 02:01, 2004 Jan 16 (UTC)
    • Since it is the name of a real town, why not simply redirect it to either the Arkum, The Netherlands, or whatever the most logical place in the Netherlands is if there is no article yet. Deleting it was unnecessary, and will not encourage anyone to write the article now. I dare you - prove me wrong and write it - go on, I double-dog-dare you. The Fellowship of the Troll 07:18, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • No. silsor 16:36, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Del. Jerzy
    • I presume that no one voting to delete this is actually interested in helping write the 8-10 articles listed as NL towns? Can anyone advise on whether a template format exists for this? Thanks, The Fellowship of the Troll 14:38, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Omar Sánchez and Omarsanchez. Article does not mention anything notable about this person who appears to be non-famous. Angela. 21:45, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. .·. Optim 22:18, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC) .·.
    • Delete Secretlondon 22:24, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, unless someone uncovers that he's actually done something significant. The name itself gets 1100+ google hits, but none look particularly notable. Seth Ilys 03:24, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. It looked to me like it was obviously written by the article subject in both cases (note how in Omar Sánchez the birth year os conspisiously left out, for example). And I know two languagues and some Portuguese, yet that doeesnt make me notable outside Wikipedia! Antonio King of the Fcuk'rs Martin

January 16

  • Dual Memory, Inversion of Light - WTC memorial design finalists not chosen. Not of lasting importance on their own; no meaningful non-duplicated content. Anything of interest can be placed on a WTC memorial page (whatever name it's finally given) Seth Ilys 03:20, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge into and redirect to an article on the design competition. Not sure if we have one of those yet. --Delirium 20:03, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Yes, merge and redirect. No need to delete. The Fellowship of the Troll 21:29, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • McFly. This is Anthony DiPierro's site and the article was created by him to prove a point about the Wikitravel article listed above. Angela. 04:53, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Your speculation about my purpose for creating that article is incorrect. Anthony DiPierro 05:06, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • It's not speculation when say it on IRC. Delete. It's a database dump with no users besides Anthony. Maximus Rex 05:08, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I never said on IRC that I created the page to prove a point. I didn't. And there are users besides me so you're wrong there too. Anthony DiPierro 07:54, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Sub-stub that could have been instantly deleted, but good to give it the 5 days. Andrewa 08:35, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Any article with an external link as the first word is a huge red flag. Davodd 06:52, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: content-free. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:23, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, website is not reachable and article is uninformative.—Eloquence 00:55, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
      • Website was undergoing a huge influx in hits and went down temporarily. I'm in the process of restoring it now. Anthony DiPierro 03:59, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, not famous. --Jiang
    • Keep. The utility of this is as link to an outside site that is trying to be its own encyclopedia. A link from the article on encyclopedias discussing new encyclopedic forms such as wikipedia to this article would be good, in that if the link to McFly changed the only place to chage the URL would be the McFly article. Kd4ttc 18:24, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Kdatlyno - a trivial article about a minor charachter in a book ledgerbob 09:59, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Species, not character, and fictional universe, not book. Fix the spelling, and either keep or merge into Known Space and redirect. Salsa Shark 10:07, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete: trivial, and fictional to boot. "They are a physically large and powerful bipedel species with muscular build and thick hides growing up to eight feet tall." Come on -- this kind of pseudodetail, which was of course simply pulled out of Larry Niven's hat, isn't material for an encyclopedia. Put it on a fan page. Wile E. Heresiarch 22:42, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge into Known Space - UtherSRG 23:06, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Protest vote (thanks, Vardion), Acorn Standard Ballot - more original material. Salsa Shark 11:11, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Protest vote re-written. Secretlondon 13:14, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • They both need re-writing, not deleting. The Fellowship of the Troll 17:42, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep protest vote. I've never heard of Acorn standard ballot, but it sounds like some people here have. If it's real, keep and rewrite. These do not belong on VfD; protest vote certainly is a valuable topic. [User:Meelar|Meelar]] 20:19, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete Acorn Standard Ballot. No evidence such a ballot has ever been used. "Acorn standard ballot" (in quotes, exact phrase) gives no Google hits; "Acorn ballot" gives seven. Obvious attempt to use Wikipedia to promote an electoral innovation. No apparent connection with ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). Compare "Instant runoff voting" (in quotes, 22100 Google hits). Dpbsmith 21:31, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep protest vote now that it's been rewritten. Delete Acorn standard ballot, as it doesn't seem to be a genuinely used term. (The Acorn standard ballot article seems to have vanished anyway, though...). -- Vardion 00:39, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • You wouldn't think this if Wikipedia correctly handled capitalization when using the "Go" button. ChEcK yOuR cApS. Tempshill 01:43, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Technocapitalism - appears article author is trying to coin a phrase not in wide usage; article is POV 65.58.3.176 21:09, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Google search reveals ~500 results, including at least one published book containing the term in its title. Seems to be a real term in at least some use, though I agree the present article is not really an article on the subject. --Delirium 21:23, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. There seems to be a variety of definitions of this term. This page seems to decribe the variant advocated primarily by only Suarez-Villa. Anyhow at the moment it's little more than a dictionary definition. --Imran
    • Delete. Dictionary definition. Tempshill 01:41, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Stirling Newberry 19:10, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC) Expanded to include references from D'Souza, Kellner and the popular press. If it's out there, it should be in here.

January 17

  • Shirley Q. Liquor looks like a vanity page. --Jiang 00:32, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. >1000 Google hits. Tempshill 01:41, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Looks like self-promotion by user 66.32.144.63. --Imran 03:11, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. - UtherSRG 05:56, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, but prune. silsor 07:39, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, but must be pruned. RedWolf 08:11, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep ledgerbob 10:42, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep because it has a lot of Google hits. SpellBott 12:22, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Abort. dicdef. Imran 03:12, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary. - UtherSRG 05:56, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to Wiktionary. silsor 07:39, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Move to Wiktionary. SpellBott 12:22, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary PMC 21:11, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Micronesian music Some anonymous person's comment on life it seems. RedWolf 03:44, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Redwolf's on the money. - UtherSRG 05:56, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. silsor 07:39, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. SpellBott 12:22, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, though it is oddly touching. Tempshill 18:27, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep: worthwhile topic. Somebody will fill it in. Wile E. Heresiarch 18:32, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Having it here makes it more likely that someone will fill it in, and it's a valid topic. Valid topic = keep. Even badly written is better than nothing; inaccurate means blank the text, but leave the article. Meelar 01:06, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • It's not badly written and it's not inaccurate. Like Tempshill said, it's oddly touching. I like it just the way it is. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:48, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • (Not a vote) It is touching...pity we can't really preserve it anywhere. Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense doesn't seem the appropriate place. Maybe we should leave it in the article as "someone's comments on Micronesian music"? PMC 21:11, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • One thousand one Unless someone wants to do one to nine hundred ninety nine, I don't see a need for this article at present. RedWolf 04:11, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. silsor 07:34, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. But only if it is expanded a bit. 1001 is a special number often used to mean, well, a lot. 1001 Arabian Nights, 1001 the detergent. 1001 ways to.... 1001 uses for ... Certainly a more famous number than many. (Mathematically speaking, more interesting than almost all of them if we go up to infinity.) And let's not forget 1001 Dalmations. (Thsi film was 101, the book was 1001.)SpellBott 13:08, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Special significance in Arabic culture. Alf layla wa layla - a thousand nights and a night. Alf sukran wa shukran - a thousand thank-yous and a thank-you. And some stuff about fleas I will not mention :) Anjouli 17:22, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • This needs to be added to the article, then, to make it merit survival. At that point it would indeed be a keeper, but right now it's not. Tempshill 18:27, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Add the good stuff, then it's a keeper. - UtherSRG 18:48, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Thoroughly useless.Robartin 18:09, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Yep, delete. PMC 21:11, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Noxious trade - dictionary definition. Wiktionary? silsor 05:40, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary. - UtherSRG 05:56, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary. RedWolf 08:11, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Wiktionary. PMC 21:11, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • X86-int - do we really need encyclopedia articles on assembly language commands? silsor 08:22, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. We definitely do not need separate articles for each instruction of a processor. If the author wants to use one article to list the instructions perhaps that might be okay. Anyone doing any x86 programming is going to want to find a book anyways. RedWolf 09:42, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete; I agree with all of what Redwolf said. Tempshill 18:35, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. - UtherSRG 18:48, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Also delete X86-jmp. X86-mov is a redirect; I guess that's OK. X86 assembly language has a list of all the instructions, with the text "Click on them to read more about them" -- may want to discourage that. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:34, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Il Vicoletto - advert for a restaurant in Sydney. Secretlondon 13:01, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Advert, delete. Tempshill 18:27, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. - UtherSRG 18:48, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. silsor 20:56, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep - it contains no real advertising information - no phone number, no boasting, etc, just a factual entry about what this restaurant really is - an Italian restaurant in Sydney. Rronline 04:52, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Ronald Paul Bucca - move to sept 11th wiki? Secretlondon 14:47, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Move as stated. - UtherSRG 18:48, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Move, but leave a summary and link behind. silsor 20:57, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep if fire marshal is at least semi-important. --Jiang
  • Fair market and Alexander Temal. "Fair market" appears to be idiosyncratic to Alexander Temal (born 1983) who manages only 6 google hits. "Fair market" was supposedly invented by Alex in 1999. "Fair market" gets plenty of hits on google, but not for Alex's use, rather as part of common terms like "fair market rents" and "fair market value". This may also fall under "original research", since there is no indication that this been published anywhere. Maximus Rex 21:01, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Rewrite Fair market, delete Alexandre Temal. Note that he was born in 1983. silsor 21:23, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
      • How are people supposed to rewrite it when the concept appears not to exist? "Fair market value" is "market value" prefixed with the word 'fair' to indicate that the market value is a reasonable estimate. The first 3 pages of google results for "free market" found no theory of fair market (not even Alex's). Perhaps you're confusing it with free market? Maximus Rex 21:28, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
        • I voted to rewrite because "fair market value" has that meaning to me. If I misunderstood then delete. silsor 21:32, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
          • If someone with more knowledge of the subject would like clarify, that would be helpful. If there is a valid topic and I'm mistaken then an article about it could be written (but this does not appear to be it). Maximus Rex 00:13, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • I don’t have a problem with the Alexander Temal entry being deleted. It doesn’t have any independent importance. I thought having a link to the mentioned originator might be something to have for the sake of completeness. Although there are not many hits for Alexander Temal, the one defense I will make is that there would probably not have been many for most other anarchist writers if there had been such a thing when they were alive. The name is reasonably well known to at least a thousand anarchists and socialists, and some who have merely been the victim of random literature distribution. But as I said, the article really has no importance and I have no objection to it being removed.
As for the Fair Market entry, I do think that has merit. I read the “original research” guideline and I don’t believe this entry is the target of that guideline. It doesn’t propose facts, or at least I attempted to phrase things so that it didn’t. As with many other social and political theories, its proponents have a certain perspective on history and the state of the world, and that was presented. It doesn’t challenge any scientific research or propose any new scientific conclusions.
Regarding “fair market rents” and “fair market value”, these are using “market” in a different sense. These instances describe the rents or value being offered for trade at prices they would normally be found at elsewhere in the market. That is, the community of trade. Fair market describes such a community being justly founded, absent of undeserved advantage or disadvantage, without dependence of one market participant on another. It isn’t a fair market something, an estimate of the price it would receive on the market, but a market itself that is fair. Market is used in the same sense as it is in “free market”.
Regarding publishing, many other anarchist writers have not been published until recently by major publishers, and then only as historical curiosities. The publishing that took place prior by small publishers and their own publishing houses is equivalent to the printing and distribution by independents that has been done with Temal’s work. Someone noted his age, which seems irrelevant. Many entries discuss people who are not yet dead, and placing any other age related restriction would be arbitrary.
The reason there are few results for “fair market” is that it is often mentioned as a component of an encompassing political system. However, the economics are being used outside their political context as an alternative for use within existing democratic and other political models. At least a thousand people are aware of this term. Apologies for the format of this post, feel free to reformat. Exitil 00:32, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete Fair market: idiosyncratic to Temal. Delete Alexander Temal: personal promotion. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:34, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • What are you meaning by idiosyncratic aside from the dictionary definition? If you like, I can have one of dozens of other people post the entry if there's something against the guidelines about my posting an entry about my own system. Is there such a guideline? Exitil 00:35, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
        • The article amounts to an essay which proposes a notion called the "fair market". Apart from the essay, the idea doesn't seem to have any significance; the footnotes on the essay say as much. I think it's a good essay and a worthwhile topic, but Wikipedia exists to document existing ideas and not to expound new ones. You seem to be well informed and articulate; why not help with editing other articles -- economics, history, biography, etc. Wile E. Heresiarch 19:14, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Del Fair market unless it has a significant older meaning; otherwise blank it as an idea still too insignificant to require disamb from the older one; if this idea becomes sufficiently discussed for us to cover, we can write the disamb at that point. (Jerzy)
      • I'm new here, but I dont think disambiguation is the issue. The idea is not a variant of syndicalism, and has important differences that most syndicalists would scream about if they were lumped into the same category as the fair market. It's a legitimate alternative theory.Exitil 03:30, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
        • The issue is not disamb, but significance: there is no evidence that Fair Market in this sense is significant to more than a handful of people who may be grasping at straws to get their brilliance Discovered. (BTW, are you aware how few people even know what syndicalism is or care what syndicalists scream about? I wear a small sneer of pride just from the fact that my knowledge of syndicalism includes the phenomenon of "criminal syndicalism" statutes. And that Dustbin of history is a more an appopriate redirect to another group.) --Jerzy 21:27, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)
    • Delete Alexander Temal, non-famous so far.--Jerzy 02:05, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)
    • I've moved Alexander Temal to the user namespace. The resulting redirect can be deleted. Angela. 18:41, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. the first half is pseudo-historic rant on how capitalism went bad.

the second half gives no clear definition of the term past the one that one would guess from the name, which is that of naive communism. Mikkalai 19:39, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

January 18


Entry moved to Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion since it has been a redirect for many months. --Jerzy 00:21, 2004 Jan 19 (UTC)

  • History of slavery in the United States of America - Not an article, written by an admitted bookseller, just poor info on two books about the subject. Flockmeal 06:00, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • This is not a vote. Do you think this article can expand? Do you think we can list the books under another article? Optim 06:08, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Why is a stub with some citations worse than a stub with none? If someone has gone to the trouble of adding some valid references, I don't see the point in deleting the entire article. In short, why not just add the standard "This is a stub" description? Peak 06:57, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
      • But it isn't a stub. A stub would have a sentence of content. Abstain. Morwen 10:54, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • If we're going to have an article titled the "History of Slavery in the USA", then I think it should have some content actually covering the history, not just brief info about some books on the subject. Maybe this article is better listed over at cleanup. Flockmeal 06:12, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete; there are thousands of books on this subject, so an article that does nothing but list two of them at random is not really any better than no article at all. --Delirium 06:34, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Before it was listed for deletion, I listed it on Cleanup. Keep for now. silsor 07:53, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, becasue it is listed on cleanup, which seems the better action. SpellBott 09:55, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Should be at least a stub. --Jiang
  • This Might Be A Wiki Anthony DiPierro 23:10, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Any particular reason? -- Cyan 02:46, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • In defense of the 6 minutes I spent researching and writing this sub-stubtastic article, I vote to keep! But change it to "delete" if no one else agrees. -- Cyan 04:19, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. - UtherSRG 04:35, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, not because it's a bad article, but because it's not famous. --User:Ashibaka, 05:27, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

January 19

  • Knuckles' Chaotix - I think i could delete this unilaterally, but just in case.. ugen64 02:27, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • I just deleted it unilaterally. In case anybody wonders, content looked like a bunch of Sonic-the-Hedgehog-related nouns and advertising material run through Babelfish about three times. silsor 03:44, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Further, the same anonymous fanboi comes back every few days and re-creates the exact same case-history-of-a-schizophrenic text. Salsa Shark 04:41, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Can't the IP be blocked? SpellBott 06:10, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Amiga Religion - article about fanatical devotion to the Amiga computer, begins by saying "Amiga as a religion or religious cult seems to be widely overstated as such" --Smack 04:02, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, merge anything interesting into Amiga. silsor 04:37, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete & merge. - UtherSRG 04:39, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
  • Christopher Hsu - vanity page. - Hephaestos 04:14, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. silsor 04:32, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Why do people think anyone cares about them? Put it on your own user page. Sheesh! - UtherSRG 04:39, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete, make a user page for 18.251.6.65, and move it to there. It will look very pretty. - User:Ashibaka 05:35, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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