Longcatcontribsoriginally posted the above comment, [1], then modified it, [2]. Then Longcat signed the post manually, but linked to User:Akor, by copying the text of Akor's signature from the edit immediately below Longcat's, and changing the name to Longcat but not the user page link [3]. Unravelling the truth behind the various edits to this debate has been a bit ridiculous, but know that every single edit is recorded, and the truth is open for all to view. ËvilphoenixBurn!22:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry you had to take the trouble going through all the edits, I would have expected this from NSR who made that claim. However this obviously is an indicator for Longcat's unawareness of the signing function. Also I am sure this can be proven by logged IPs. Akor23:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
However, votes from users whose first edits are after the beginning of a deletion discussion are generally disregarded. The consensus of this discussion thus far has been overwhelmingly in favor of deletion. Very few legitimate support votes have been entered for this article.
delete obviously as forumcruft. There have been a few 4chan articles on afd recently. 4chan users: wikipedia really isn't the right place for articles about memes/people/etc. from 4chan; they're going to get deleted. Why not set up your own 4chanwiki instead? I'm sure it would be quite popular. — brighterorange (talk) 01:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Longcat extends beyong merely the realm of 4chan. Longcat is not exclusive to one site only. I truely believe that there should be an article explaining what Longcat is so that when they here mention of it, they can find information on the subject. It also helps to find information about the legend if one should ever need it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 01:33, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) Longcat
And a little known fact: Longcat is so long that he can dig from Ohio, through the center of the Earth, and just almost reach China, not quite but almost, by about 2 miles lacking. Longcat is, indeed, long. However, I don't think this would be relevant to the article, considering, as far as I know, cats do not burrow like dogs and rabbits do. --I am not good at running09:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Something tells me that this comment is a preview of the sort of silliness this article is likely to attract if kept. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs)
If I knew the exact name of that fallacy, I'd link to an article about it. I thought it might be Straw man but that was more about conveniently predicting an uncertain future to win an argument, which I guess is like a Straw Man going into Christopher Lloyd's De Lorean DMC-12 before attacking it. --I am not good at running16:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Longcat is forever, and while has a convoluted background, does appear from time to time in unexpected places. I think people deserve to know of the longness.--IntensityBill — Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:02, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) 141.152.54.55 diff
You are speaking about something in which you know nothing about. This is not a hoax. We wouldn't waste our time on something as pointless as a hoax. If you actually read, you'll learn the truth of the subject -Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:06, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) Longcat diff.
Delete. Think of it - Wikipedia articles for every amusing photo every displayed on the internet. May be true (the photoshopped image of LongerCat will show up later to be deleted also, oops did I say that out loud?); but not encyclopedic. -WCFrancis02:15, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please understand that this is not "every amusing photo every displayed on the internet", but and outstanding, if not _the_ creative offspring of 4chan. Consider that Giko, Shii-chan, and Mona, similiar work from 2ch each got their own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:31, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) Akor diff
Keep. Longcat forever, as above, it shows the evolutionary process of image boards.Grimmie (preceding unsigned comment by82.37.241.212 (talk·contribs) 02:33, 15 September 2005)
Keep. Wow, gg no re Wikiassholes. See if I ever donate again. The Wikipedia is the encyclopedia for everyone. Seriously, tell me what's wrong with this article. The text is fine, not great, but better than a lot of stuff here at the Wikipedia. If it were just the picture with "omfg lol roofleskates" for body text, then sure, I could understand candidacy for deletion. This is a fine article. To say Longcat isn't notable is extremely snobbish. Leave it be and go do something useful. (preceding unsigned comment by66.74.195.104 (talk·contribs) 02:36, 15 September 2005)
Delete. I agree that 4chan is the place for Longcat. It really originated there, unless I'm mistaken. The article isn't long enough or relevant enough to be anywhere but 4chan. However, please keep it there, rather than deleting it. Canar05:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Waiter, there's a Longcat in my wikipedia! Tainting its internet purity! Getting in the way of my serious internet business! How can I be expected to endlessly refresh wikipedia articles for the next ten hours in case someone slips an errant figure in with a cat THAT LONG hanging around? It's worse than gays marrying! Bosphorus
Since several "Keep" voters here can't seem to express themselves without making personal attacks on their opponents, let me ask this: Why is it so bloody important to all of you to have Longcat in Wikipedia? Don't any of you have anything better to do than come here and call other people names? | Keithlaw03:55, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
um, excuse me? i have more than the minimum of 25 before doing AfD.... AND the ENTIRE reason i joined wikipedia was to start and maintain SEX MACHINEGUNS which if you go and look, is an article with picture, more than a stub, and pretty damn good. imply that i'm a sock again and i might just leave.... i already don't like you elitist types. ugh. KeiKusanagi07:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
KeepI see nothing wrong with this entry. Certainly I've seen worse and less relevant kept here without controversy. A rewrite of all that pseudo-philosophical stuff, yes. Deletion? No. -Ganson316 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 04:52, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) 68.211.230.176 diff.
As someone else pointed out, the articles about 2chan memes Giko, Shii-chan, and Mona would, by the logic of many Delete votes here, be even more irrelevant. Unlike Longcat, I haven't seen any evidence of those memes spreading beyond the borders of their original birthplace into any other forums; forumcruft indeed. --I am not good at running16:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC).[reply]
Redirect to 4chan, as Longcat apparently originated from there. Also, although this has little to do with my argument, people should stop with the personal attacks and try to bring up valid points for keeping this article on its own. -Nameneko05:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Longcat has become an integral part of the 4Chan community, and seeing as to how 4Chan's /b/ has considerable weight in it's group of peers and counterparts, it's quite safe to say that Longcat will have notable long-term impact that will no doubt be seen beyond 4Chan. --BloodyEggroll05:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, votes from users whose first contributions are to a AfD discussion that has started prior to the user joining are looked at as alleged sockpuppets, and either way, are generally not given as much weight as votes from established users. ËvilphoenixBurn!18:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 4chan, where there is already quite a loooooooooooong enough paragraph about Longcat. (And honestly, the cat isn't all that long. If I hold either of my cats like that, both of them are just as long.) --Angr/tɔktəmi05:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Longcat represents the potential within all of us. If we learn to stretch our minds as Longcat has stretched itself, we can enter a new age of enlightenment - CheeZ - Sept. 15, 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 06:25, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) 24.1.138.166 diff
Delete - We've gotta save this article because our petty forum is the most important thing on earth! Yeah, anime forum is the centre of my world, let's all spam keep. Come on, faster, if this article gets deleted, it'll make 4chan look like a bunch of absolute losers! Go back to your forum. - Hahnchen14:32, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... three delete votes within a 10 minute period. Very curious indeed :) I bet the Keep voters aren't the only sock users around here. 4chan, after all, does have its rivals. By the way, how's Lowtax doing these days? --I am not good at running16:22, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So rather than us being people, we are merely thrown int oa class called "sockpuppets"? Is our opinion of less value than the majority of wikipedia (aka elitest bores)? Why not allow the minority to participate? Why squelch us just because we aren't as WIKI-ELITE as you? -eepberries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 16:47, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) 68.33.124.124
The ability to vote in AfD discussions is given to Wikipedia users in good standing. Anonymous IP's votes are not counted, and new users whose first edits are to deletion discussions are generally disregarded as well. Please see the Articles for Deletion page for more information. If you would like to join Wikipedia and begin to contribute meaningfully to the project, we would welcome your participation in RfA discussion. ËvilphoenixBurn!18:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, are all of you like this? I can't believe I donated to this project. Longcat is notable. How are memes not encyclopedic? This is completely ridiculous. I'm very disappointed. 4chan and /b/ in particular are right up there with the likes of Genmay and Something Awful -- notable. If memes don't belong in the Wiki, then what exactly is Category:Internet_memes supposed to be? If anything, tracking and documenting memes should be one place the Wiki excels in particular over other encyclopediae. If you were unfamiliar with Longcat (as most of you seem to have been! Guess what, you'd still be unfamiliar with Longcat if it weren't for this Wiki article) and wanted to learn about it, where's the first place you would look? That's right: the Wikipedia. Stop being such elitist pinheads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22:23, September 15, 2005 (talk • contribs) 132.239.142.229
Yes, we generally are all like this. We are interested in facts, and articles of encyclopedic interest. There is disagreement on whether this article is notable enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia. That is why we have the current deletion process in place for Wikipedia. Our goal is to build consensus on what should be done with questionable articles. If you'd care to look around at some of the other articles being discussed, you'll note that some will probably be deleted, while some will be kept. It's all part of the process. If you want to voice your opinion, you're welcome to, but be aware that we frequently delete articles about various internet forums, and are frequently flooded with anonymous edits from members of that forum seeking to keep the article. That certainly seems to be the case here. We're not really elitist, anyone can get a username, anyone with a username can vote, and votes from established users are considered, no matter what side of a discussion they are on. Votes from anonymous users are not. That is longstanding Wikipedia policy. If you feel there are holes in Wikipedia's coverage of Internet phenomena, I would encourage you to join the site and participate in the process of building an encyclopedia. However, some of the behavior that has been seen in this discussion, such as engaging in sockpuppetry, is quite frowned upon. As far as 4chan, 4chan does have an article, but this discussion is not over that article. Personally, I've heard of Something Awful, but not 4chan. But that is not what this discussion is about, this discussion is about whether Longcat is notable enough for it's own article. Best regards, ËvilphoenixBurn!22:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for being an irrelevant and stupid meme. The cat's not even particularly long. He's maybe a bit larger than your average cat. Tuf-Kat06:48, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
