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Appalachian Development Highway System

Thanks for adding information about the routes. I take an interest in roads and grew up in southern Appalachia, but surprisingly I had never heard of this project. Gazpacho 16:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would like to help you, but I moved out of the south a few years ago, and my casual internet usage has been severely restricted for a while (i.e. I graduated). That's why it has taken me so long to get back to you. Gazpacho 01:16, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

US 220

Just letting you know that I'm removing US 220 from Template:US Highways. It may have never connected to US 20, but it would have if New York had been more enthusiastic about the system in the 1920s (other routes like 309 and 111 similarly ended at the line), and it did connect to US 20 via US 120.[1] --SPUI (talk) 20:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I had assumed you were adding it because you considered it on the same level as the two-digit routes. That template is for only the two-digit routes, plus the few three-digit routes with no "parent". It would be a lot bigger if all three-digit routes were included. --SPUI (talk) 21:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am arguing that it is a spur route, and thus should not be in the list. By the way, please sign your messages by typing four tildes or clicking the second-to-last button above the edit box. --SPUI (talk) 21:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(For the record, 1927 is when the routes were signed) I'm not quite sure what you're saying. I'm saying that US 220 is a spur of US 20, and is thus not primary, and should not be in the template. --SPUI (talk) 21:32, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Appalachian Development Highway System

Thanks for adding the information on these routes. I'm thinking of moving the articles to titles like Appalachian Development Highway System Corridor D, simply because otherwise the naming can conflict with other things called "Corridor D". What do you think about this? --SPUI (talk) 21:35, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, after discussing it with a few others I've decided that Corridor D (Appalachian Development Highway System) is best. To link to it, just use [[Corridor D (Appalachian Development Highway System)|]] (note the vertical bar), which produces Corridor D. I've also created {{ADHS}} and added it to the articles. --SPUI (talk) 22:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The point is that other things not related to the ADHS may be called "Corridor H" - see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. There's no reason Corridor H can't redirect there if that is the most common usage, meaning you can still link to Corridor H.

As for US 48, I would think the current use should be at that page, with Corridor H redirecting there, and a note at the top with links to the other pages, kind of like the I-410 article. What do you think? --SPUI (talk) 23:08, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Robert C. Byrd Institute

If you have obtained permission to use the copyrighted information, I will gladly remove the page from Wikipedia:Copyright Problems and leave you to edit it as you see fit. I appreciate what appears to be your local expertise on this subject, and didn't mean to hurt your feelings. NatusRoma 03:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

North Branch Potomac Bridges

Anytime! I'm over in Hampshire County...I'll make an account once I think of a clever name. I really enjoy your articles and glad to see your additions ;) 207.255.205.142 23:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's awesome, I'd be glad to help out adding info to the WV state routes.

County Routes

Do you think it'd be a good idea to do something for county routes in Hampshire and Mineral similar to how you organized the WV state routes? 207.255.205.142 18:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Potomac River Bridges

Hey there, yep I finally got me a name ;) I finished entering all the bridges I could remember, and double-checked their order and the bridges with names. The bridges without names, I just assigned arbitrary ones so feel free to change 'em.

About Arlington Memorial Bridge, I thought it was US 50 as well, but according to the Wikipedia article: "At the western terminus on Columbia Island, the bridge and its connecting roadways connect with the George Washington Memorial Parkway and with Virginia State Highways 27 and 110. At the eastern terminus, the bridge and its connecting roadways connect with Constitution Avenue, Independence Avenue, the Rock Creek and Potomac Parkway, and the District of Columbia segment of Interstate 66." So it looks like it just connects with US 50 and doesn't carry it across.

Northwestern Turnpike

That Category will be awesome, I'll finish connecting it to all the remaining applicable landmarks and townns in Hamspshire.

County Routes Box

We could possibly do one for each county, but I'm not exactly sure how the secondary roads system works in WV. If County Route 9 in Hampshire County would cross into Mineral, would it take a different number and name? School me, you know this stuff ;) Caponer 02:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So roads that I confused with "county routes" would be considered secondary state routes then. Would List of Hampshire County, WV County Routes be more appropriately titled WV Secondary Routes in Hampshire County? I've always wanted to compile a list of these routes but I never knew how to categorize them or classify them. My goal was to create articles for a few of these roads and then connect them with a box like you created for the WV Routes. Instead of CR 9 would you say SR 9?

As for help with the WV Routes, you're the only other WVian I am aware of on here, but I'll assist you anyway I can with 'em.

Added WV Routes

I added WV 115 and WV 901. Caponer 04:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Geo-stubs

Hi 71Demon - I notice you've been creating a few stub articles aboutplaces in WV (good!). You've been stubbing them wusing both the {{US-south-geo-stub}} and {{WestVirginia-geo-stub}} templates - which is a bit of overkill. The West Vitginia template automatically puts the stubs into a subcategory of the US south geography stubs anyway, so you don't need to add US-south-geo-stub as well. Just the WV one is fine. The only exception would be if it's something like a river which crosses the state border. Other than that, though, keep up the good work! :) Grutness...wha? 01:43, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Potomac River System

Hey there, I apologize it's taken me awhile to get back to you...I kept forgetting to sign in with my name the past few times I've been on and didn't see I had some messages awaitin' me. I definitelty love the Potomac River system link box!! and will go ahead and add it to the remaining tributary river articles. Thank you as well for the Potomac Highlands article...someone else had created an article for it earlier this year I believe and for some reason it was marked for deletion so its nice to see it is replaced and better than before.

Also, about the Potomac Highlands geographical designation, I've noticed many times that Randolph, Tucker, and Pocahontas Counties are sometimes included as well by the tourist and visitor websites and in many local brochures. In many historical contexts they are also included so I was wondering what you thought about maybe including them? I'm on the fence as to if they really count seeing as to how its a stretch that they are a part of the Potomac watershed at all so I was curious as to what you thought.

Thanks again!

North and South Branch Potomac Rivers

Should we give the North and South Branch Potomac rivers their own articles again? I just feel like the Potomac River page is too large and you know as well as I do that the North and South Branches are their own individual rivers in many different ways, just as the main Potomac is different from them. Caponer 18:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're right, it'll shave a few more inches off the length of the article with the addition of the link box. I'll try and add more of the tidal Potomac tributaries (they're a pain!). I also added some more populations to the Eastern Panhandle and Potomac Highland pages and a couple more facts. Caponer 21:28, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, made up a little article for Neabsco Creek, and working on others to make the link box less red in color ;) Also, I double checked and the Romney mound is a hundred or so years younger than the Adena mounds, possibly making it of the Hopewell culture. It's never officially been analyzed but the Smithsonian took a good guess at its age from artifacts found in other mounds in the South Branch valley (very scientific I know). Oh, also I noticed I'd forgotten to include Sligo Creek (a tributary of the Anacostia in Maryland) to the tributary lists on the main page of the Potomac River, so I added the link box to its article and added it to the list.

Eastern Panhandle

I've always said the Eastern Panhandle should be its own state...and now I've created a little link box that makes it so...almost. It's my first one and it's still a work in progress and I'm still playing around with colors that set it apart from other state link boxes. To be fair to all of the counties in the Panhandle, I chose only to include towns that were incorporated as cities or towns, and any census designated places. For the sites and attractions portion, I tried to pick sites that were relevant to the whole entire Panhandle and make sure all counties were represented. I didn't want to inundate the box with only Mineral and Hampshire County sites eventhough we have written a number of good articles on various sites and communities. I was trying to look at it from an outside of the Panhandle point of view. Let me know what you think and feel free to add anything I left out!

Now that all is said and done, I've got an urge to inundate it with those Mineral and Hampshire county places I spoke of before. ;)

Keep up the good work!

You look like a good editor, keep up the good work. I do have one comment, however: Please use edit summaries when you edit. People like me watch all edits made, looking for possible vandalism, and sometimes edits you make appear to be vandalism (for example, when you removed information about West Virginia to move it to another page). Even something like "Deleting, moving to a new page" is sufficient enough for us. It would be much appreciated if you could do this in the future. Ral315 WS 00:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

While it's technically true that it was British territory at the time, I would just use the United States History stub. It's usually frowned upon to make your own stub tag, because often they don't fit with the normal naming and style conventions. If you want to suggest a stub tag, see Wikipedia:Stub. Also, you're really only supposed to use one stub notice per page (though on the page you mentioned, the WV tag and US History tag could probably coexist- but three stub tags is way too many) Ral315 WS 01:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ditto on the good work on West Virginia articles

While I write primarily on Virginia, history and transportation subjects often take my work over into the "Wild and Wonderful." Thanks for your work, especially the new History of West Virginia sub article breakout.

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 01:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Panhandle

The C&O Canal proper isn't located in the Eastern Panhandle, but technically the Cheseapeake and Ohio Canal National Historical Park is in several locations in Morgan, Berkeley, and Jefferson so I went ahead and corrected it to link specifically to the NHP. Harpers Ferry NHP is in Virginia and Maryland as well. I removed Paw Paw Tunnel since I couldn't really think of a viable excuse to keep it.

That's an excellent idea about an entry for a possible new state that combines the Eastern Panhandle and Western Maryland! I'll do a little research. It's also been discussed publically that the Panhandle join Virginia at several times, so maybe a mention about that possibility too.

Excellent work on all your new articles! --Caponer 02:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia State Highways

Kewl template, and it makes it easier for me to keep plugging away at articles for the red links. I added a little text to your article, and one oddball number to the template. I am not good with templates, so you may want to adjust my entry for VA 895. We also need to add VA 350.

Returning the favor, if you like the TALK box on my User and Talk pages, let me know and I can knock one off for you with a few minutes of effort.

BTW, anything you can add to some of the West Virginia articles I have worked on will be appreciated. I won't bother to list all of the places and highway ones, but among the better are Ansted and Midland Trail. I do some biographical ones, and I am especially interested in anything you may have to enhance my featured article (beaming with pride) on William N. Page and those involving the railroads, especially the Virginian Railway, his greatest accomplishment. I also wish I had more interesting content add to the articles I started about former WV governor William A. MacCorkle and Julia Neale Jackson.

P.S. I am also curious about the red category link for "Category:U.S. Highways in West Virginia|Midland Trail" in the Midland Trail article. I am not sure why it is red. As with templates, I am not very good at categories, either. Thank goodness for WP collaboration!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland Vaoverland 03:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

new talk box, vote on templates

This is the first message using your new talk box. I added comments to the debate/voting on the 2 templates at risk. Vaoverland 03:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]



Virginia State Highways template

One problem I see with the Virginia State Highways template is that VDOT has no numbering convention to make numbers above 100 and below 599 to be "connector routes". While some may function as such, all road numbers below 599 are primary highways. Perhaps you can modify the template to address that.

Here is a list of the articles on Virginia primary highways I have written (or plan to in very near future):

Thanks. Vaoverland 14:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

West Virginia State Routes

No problem, I'll finish the remainder of the WV State Routes this evening. You know what the problem is with Wikipedia...it's not simply the fact that it's an open system, open systems usually work. Wikipedia is an open system with too many self-important people running around changing other people's templates and article writing formats and anally enforcing the most insignificant rules. Everyone seems to know better than everyone else...I feel like we're in FEMA all of a sudden...I'll make sure they will all be finished by tonight, and thank you for the website link...that'll be a big help ;)

Also, about the state routes, you'll have to get me up-to-date here, I was logged off of Wikipedia for awhile and need to be caught up. Instead of having a simple, easy-to-use box that links you to every West Virginia State Route at once, it has been recommended that we make a list of state routes instead? How is that as user-friendly? It's a shame you and I have lives that do not center on Wikipedia, maybe we'd have more wiki-friends. --Caponer 17:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern Panhandle Template

I was thinking about what you said considering the colleges as a separate section in the template, but the only problem with doing that is the Eastern Panhandle only has three colleges, and only one of them is a real four-year college. If we had more four-year schools I'd think it would be cool but I don't know how much it really adds to the content of the template. Feel free though to add any sites or attractions you feel fit on there...do you think we should add more towns and cities? I do feel like places like Augusta and Burlington, eventhough they aren't CDPs or incorporated, should be included, as well.

Stony River and Mount Storm Lake

I added a temporary stub concerning both and hope to be able to enlarge both articles later! I didn't even know the Stony River existed until the other day ;) --Caponer 18:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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