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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Theresa knott (talk | contribs) at 19:09, 21 February 2004 (E£xplaining addition to page). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

If I explain in detail why the current reversion is incorrect, would kind, good will fellow editors of the Wiki community not drag me into editor wars and cry wolf again and again? I see that misleading information was again inserted on the basis of questionable evidence. Who cares ? Thank you and happy editing :-) - irismeister 17:20, 2004 Feb 21 (UTC) 

:Instead of making smarmy comments why didn't you explain in the first place ? theresa knott 17:32, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

If I explain in detail why the current reversion is incorrect, would kind, good will fellow editors of the Wiki community not drag me into editor wars and cry wolf again and again? I see that misleading information was again inserted on the basis of questionable evidence. Who cares ? Thank you and happy editing :-) - irismeister 17:20, 2004 Feb 21 (UTC)

WARNING: The page as reverted contains incorrect information!

H2O2 is mainly used in medicine, not in the food industry. In fact less than 00.01 % of the world's production of H2O2 of any concentration (from 3% to 99.9 %) is actually used in the food industry. Quoting from the very reference which the previous editor probably did not read in full:-)

  • If the packager pours food grade H2O2 out of one of those drums into a smaller container, it is no longer a "food grade" unless that smaller container is also tested for the FDA compliance.

TRANSLATION AND EXPLANATION

All garden-variety supply of H2O2, including that delivered in the canonical 3% drum is downgraded from "food grade" the very moment one touches it. Therefore I maintain (and I cannot possible overstress my view and track record) that correct information in matters of chemicals-for-medical-and-food-industry-use is both essential and needs to be double checked without going into edit wars and crying wolf. For those who give me anything but the benefit of doubt, I am not into criticizing persons, I am into quality control of medical information for everybody to advance in knowledge! Thank you and happy editing :-)

What are you going on about ? I said that it is used to disinfect packaging. Here is another reference Hydrogen Peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide as a 3% aqueous solution has long been used as an antiseptic. For example, hydrogen peroxide potentiated by ultraviolet light has been used in the production-line sterilization of commodity items such as cartons for food products. " taken from http://www.devicelink.com/mpb/archive/98/09/002.html theresa knott 17:42, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Reading the web page referred to (Food grade vs. Technical grade Hydrogen Peroxide), I am unclear of the relevance of the above quote ("If the packager pours food grade...") to the discussion at hand. This quote simply refers to the fact that the container within which "food grade" hydrogen peroxide (i.e. hydrogen peroxide approved for the use of disinfecting food storage items) is stored must have received FDA approval in the United States.
This has no relevance to the issue of whether or not hydrogen peroxide is used as a disinfectant. It clearly is, both for the disinfection of food storage containers, and for use in water systems of hotels, schools, swimming pools, etc (e.g. [1]). Whether this is a primary use of hydrogen peroxide or not is irrelevant. - MykReeve 17:49, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I agree. I think that Irismeister didn't take the time to read the web page through properly, or didn't understand what he was reading. A word of advice irismeister - please check references carefully. Read them through several times before you cut and paste them. theresa knott 17:53, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)


I STRONGLY disagree !!!! OK, if some of my distinguished fellow medical doctors here want to always be right despite the relevant evidence, please drop it :-) It's not mine over yours, it's not POV or opinion, folks, it's about making Wiki great and disinfectants WORK WHERE THEY SHOULD, not where WE WANT THEM TO BE USED - WHICH MIGHT BRING TERRIBLE SUFFERING and hard to treat BURNS. Do you know or can you only represent how many acute H2O2 burnings I treated during my residency and emergency years because of DISINFORMATION and MISREPRESENTATION of CONCENTRATION and USE WITH CARE tags on bottles ? Anyway, who cares ? It seems that it doesn't matter that someone might suffer if YOU think that what YOU read is irrelevant. So please, by all means, do not revert if you THINK so. Just let everybody believe we use H2O2 to disinfect food packages and forget about cleaning dirty rooms in all those septic hospitals :-) . Hope you'll sleep better tonight as a non-follower of Hippocrates if someone reads this stub and poors H2O2 over food packages only to be found tomorrow in emergency services. HOPE THIS HELPS BUT I BRING THIS IN FRONT OF THE WIKI COMMUNITY ON THE SPOT !!!!!

Also it took less than a few minutes for you, MykReeve to read and comment both my warning and the reference. I am mystified. Should anyone give me such benefit of doubt and expression of Wiki love on the iridology page, we'd spare the reader 274 KB worth of noise over the signal there. Sincerest bravo and wikilove :-) Happy editing :O)
This is not an advice page on how you should use disinfectants. Wikipedia does not give that sort of advice. Please take to to read the disclaimers link at the bottom of every page. This page gives info on how disinfectants are used. The fact of the matter is, that hydrogen peroxide is used to disinfect food packaging. No amout of posturing on your part will change that. theresa knott 18:13, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Posturing ? Let the community decide !!!!! - irismeister 18:17, 2004 Feb 21 (UTC)


Irismeister, I don't think anyone was advocating that hydrogen peroxide should be used by members of the public to disinfect food storage containers, nor do I feel that that is either what the website referred to above or Theresa's amendment to the article suggested. Hydrogen peroxide is used commercially for the disinfection of food storage containers. I admit that Theresa's original statement was ambiguous, as it did not specify that this was a commercial application of hydrogen peroxide, but I don't feel that this warranted such extreme agitation on your part.
This minor disagreement could have been resolved much more easily by simple statement of your concerns, without use of capitalisation, invocation of Hippocrates, bold text or multiple exclamation marks.
Nevertheless, I agree that the current text, "used mainly in hospitals", reduces any ambiguity and gives a better reflection of hydrogen peroxide's more common usage as a disinfectant. - MykReeve 19:04, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Disclaimer ? If Wiki does not give medical advice, it surely isn't into DISINFORMATION either. Nor do the two sites quoted above qualify as pieces of direct, independent or special purpose information of heavy weight as a REPLACEMENT OF JUDGEMENT. They were produced on an emergency basis in the spurious belief that they might protect "reputations" and increase vanity addictive habits of one of the editors on this page. But then again, who cares ? 25 + medical experience vs indiscriminate compulsive behavior including cut-and-paste from the web, without properly reading, let alone REPRESENTING knowledge do NEVER a balanced POV make. Competence has a *very poor press these days and people reading Wiki have to think twice about what they read as a consequence. We all lose in the process - from time and love to quality and bandwidth. Prove me wrong ! Happy editing, with Wikilove - irismeister 18:47, 2004 Feb 21 (UTC) :O )

I've reinserted what irismeister cut along with the word industry to make it clear it's used commercially. theresa knott 19:09, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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